The Flash's Red Death Finale is Atrocious

The Flash's Red Death arc has come to an end and fell completely by in the proccess.
In this video I'll be reviewing "The Mask of the Red Death, Part 2"

[@gametestlabs4832]

My biggest issue with cecile is that she is constantly reading joe's and team flash's minds without consequences, yet she won't read her clients' minds because of ethics

[@Pellz]

YESSS bro eveeryone just lets this happen without telling her off but it's incredibly invasive and annoying I don't get how none of them yell at her I wish Harry was back he would not have taken that

[@gametestlabs4832]

@Pellz exactly, thats one of the main issues that telepaths and empaths deal with, x-men do it well so just copy a bit of their homework

[@nicktroisi6347]

Martian Manhunter did something like this in The New 52 Justice League run and they literally fought and kicked him off the team. Cecile is my least favourite character on team flash she shouldn’t even be a part of it and shouldn’t have been given powers in the first place. If someone was able to read my mind and they did it without my consent i would be incredibly uncomfortable with them reading my thoughts let alone be able to see my memories.

[@Pellz]

@@nicktroisi6347 The craziest thing is when faced with criticism early on about her powers the show runners said it wasn't going to be a big thing then they turned around and did the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do lmao

[@ragnar0432]

Thank fuck someone said it

[@Drifter1989]

Thawne: “It was me, Barry. I made the final season shit just so you couldn’t end on high note and be remembered as a joke instead.”

[@willjohnboy]

What about the last 5 seasons.

[@hearthdance]

I read This with his voice 😂😂😂😂

[@Al-Raees]

@@hearthdance HAHAH SAME IT FELT THAWNE WAS READING IT TO ME😭😭

[@hearthdance]

@@Al-Raees 😂😂😂😂

[@sammydray5919]

What about the last 6 seasons? Show has always been mid but God damn season 3 onwards was just pitfall after pitfall

[@TetsuShima]

Considering that one of the creators of the Arrowverse, Marc Guggenheim, has recently stated that he thinks he's wasted his life making these shows, I think this video couldn't have been posted at a better moment LOL

[@TheBatMaster501]

To be fair, that was a statement he made because he felt he was owed something, specifically by James Gunn, for doing the Arrowverse despite the fact he isn't owed really anything. Dude it a bit full if himself.

[@Xehanort10]

@@TheBatMaster501 It's Guggenheim's own fault for turning what were supposed to be superhero shows for men and women superhero fans into bad romance dramas for teenage Twitter and Tumblr fangirls who if they watched actual good films and shows, read good books,played good games and so on with well written stories and characters where romance was a minor subplot and actually done well with couples that are actually developed and make sense together they'd sit there confused as to why those series aren't about complete randoms with no chemistry or development who are only together because the shallow fangirls find them hot.

[@GordBalle]

​@@TheBatMaster501 you're spot on. He's acting like an entitled man baby

[@cuhdayy]

I'm pretty sure with Red Death, they were like "Alright. We need to make a story with this little amount of money. Let's hire the actress from Batwoman who got the show cancelled and see if she'll do it with this terrible and horrible screen write."

[@johnbeal6114]

Is funny how the flash fell so fall from grace is sad to see

[@belmont_gr]

The Batwoman appearing out of nowhere is way bizarre. She was missing for a couple of weeks, Luke Fox couldn't find her but Iris found her somehow?

[@Rageren]

Trash writing.

[@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu]

Is it really Bizarre? Whether it is or not, who better to show up for the final confrontation and turn the tide against Red Death?

[@belmont_gr]

@@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu Her entering the scene and the battle was way cool but it is bizarre her showing out of nowhere without saying, even after the battle, why she was missing

[@studyingeducation8438]

Wtf how that possible lmfao, last watched the show in season 6, now just watching shorts to see if it can't get any worse but it did lol.

[@jamaaldagreatest2748]

@@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu Yes it's bizarre. If you want her to show up fine cool, but there should've been an actual explanation for it instead of a completely random out of nowhere Deus Ex Machina. That's not how good writing is done. We're not even gonna get on the topic of how she shouldn't even be able to keep up with the action whatsoever.

[@nicholasbontempo3463]

Seriously can’t believe the show got approved for a 9th season. I don’t think i’ve ever seen a show fall of so hard before

[@marlonclark1896]

thank God this is the last season i just can't bear it anymore.

[@REALMCDASH10]

​@@marlonclark1896 just don't watch it

[@trippieplanet2858]

@@marlonclark1896 Yeah don’t watch it or the clips. How does this affect you? They don’t care about people’s opinions

[@Spacemanfilms2002]

@@trippieplanet2858 they really should imo

[@marlonclark1896]

@@REALMCDASH10 i don't watch it i stopped watching in the middle of season 6

[@AGXZ-mz4il]

"Super easy ,barely an inconvenience" , I see what you did there.

[@Mandogamez66]

I understood that reference 😂

[@medafan53]

It's such a shame that, aside from Disney + Ryan rarely does TV Show Pitch Meetings.

[@cornymemestream1715]

Wow wow wow. Wow

[@trevoncampbell1264]

I was so disappointed in red death they was hyping her up to be a killer with multiple bodies but she just whiny😒

[@joey-if7zq]

Brooo, I didn't catch it, time stamp please?😬

[@dejuandeshazer]

I really hated how they acted so shocked when she said she was pregnant. Like Barry didn’t tell her she was gonna get pregnant episodes ago😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@deontaerichardson1110]

Ong

[@MrHdog111]

Because she got pregnant months before she was supposed to get pregnant. They even said that in the episode smh

[@craycrayman1101]

They are setting up twins. Before Nora was older sister now she's pregnant early to make some changes.

[@nvapisces7011]

@@MrHdog111 no its not mentioned. in the premiere, iris gets pregnant in a month. episode 4 and 5 are in the span of a day and there is a time jump of 2 weeks at the end so the timeline adds up. episode 3 to 4 should be about 2 to 3 days while episode 1 to 3 is about 2 weeks. So yes Iris gets pregnant right on time. Barry knows she gets pregnant in that week but nothing is mentioned about which day or what time or how they know which is why he was shocked that Khione was the first to know

[@violetlavi2207]

@@nvapisces7011 “I thought I wasn’t supposed to be pregnant for another 3 months.” “Well, I guess that means things are already changing.” ~verbatim from the episode

[@jackbrown2801]

I’m far from the first person to say this, but CW Red Death should’ve been an alternate universe Oliver Queen. He’s basically the Batman of the Arrowverse and Barry being friends with Oliver would add a good dynamic since he has to fight a variant of his good friend.

[@franciscorui]

The problem with Batwoman is that they want to push her to be popular, so every other character just has to say how much they love her or how she's amazing. Its cringe

[@wolfgang6442]

Nah fr like what's so good about Ryan wilder she just batwoman but black and a lesbian

[@georgebrice8329]

Trust me you never want to watch Batwoman

[@jameswest35]

Let's not pretend that this show hasn't been awful since season 3. Anyone still tuning in is just a glutton for punishment at this point.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Season 4 was pretty good, it fits a lot more the tone of the previous three seasons than the rest of the show, Thinker was great until the body swaps and the rest of the season got carried by Enter Flashtime, the Trial of the Flash Arc and Ralph Dibny. Season 5 was shit, Season 6A was good at best and after Crisis it went to shit to never recover.

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

No 3 was very good I'd say it's better than 2

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

James West YT keeps recommending the clips to me

[@Shockkings0714]

Season 6A was good

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

agreed I dropped this tragedy after the beginning of season 4 but i watch recommended videos once in a while to see how far the show has fallen and I'm surprised ppl still watch it

[@ShortCoder616]

It's still so depressing to see how far this show has fallen my only hope is that the series finale is at least somewhat decent but I'm very worried about it

[@TomoyaOkazaki2]

I’d personally say not get your hopes up

[@scottkendall7789]

The only way the series finale will be decent is if the Showrunner Eric Wallace gets fired and is replaced by somebody who actually cares about THE FLASH.

[@jonarbuckle778]

In my own headcanon, this show ended at the end of season 3. It for the most part could serve as a series finale, while also leaving it open for the story to continue. Season 4 was still somewhat decent, but the show has been in steady decline since season 5. I was hoping Season 9 would be a return to form since it's only 13 episodes, which I would have thought meant more budget per episode but damn, this Red Death arc was abysmal.

[@orisisorisis]

@@jonarbuckle778 season 8 was pretty alr too

[@Commonsenseisntcommon34]

I've saw the leaks. It's gonna be terrible lol

[@rymtotheprime11]

I’ve always loved your channel because you actually call the flash out on their bad/cringe moments while most creators just turn a side eye to it and ignore it, this season is easily the most cringe thing I’ve ever seen

[@BeenBenji]

Huh Arrick's reloaded always calls them out he barely has any good to say??

[@PapaFM0903]

I’d argue S7 is worse. But this is still awful.

[@caylya7869]

Season 7 is still awful.

[@PapaFM0903]

@@caylya7869 yes

[@rymtotheprime11]

@@BeenBenjiI said most not all

[@TetsuShima]

Call me crazy if you want, but I think that, if the writers had focused on making a good story instead of bragging about how inclusive and diverse the plots and characters are, MAYBE we would have got a good product.

[@SLJ957]

That's not crazy that's the truth

[@ioniiKxFreeZeX]

Facts straight up

[@priyamkumar4621]

Even common folks like us could come with better story. Like they could have stick with the original comic book origins of red death only with future version of Barry merging with Batman. But no they made some trash storyline which in the end doesn't even make any sense.

[@Pellz]

@@priyamkumar4621 They couldve had it be Oliver and just changed the logo a little bit he would've done an amazing performance and it would've had so much payoff he could've been the villain for the entirety of the season

[@mamellomaripa3946]

Faktssssss

[@namecomingsoon9517]

WHY COULDNT THEY JUST MAKE IT A ONE VILLAIN SEASON MY GOSH I’M TIRED OF HAVING 2-3 VILLAIN ARCS A SEASON

[@rymtotheprime11]

The decisions they make hurt my head

[@redkalel]

Because doing one villain for 22 episodes sometimes doesn’t work. Look at Cicada

[@namecomingsoon9517]

@@redkalel look at Zoom. Look at Thawne. It can work if they are built up as a threat. Zoom was built up and as soon as he showed up he destroyed Barry. Devo was a build up the whole season where we knew who he was but didn’t know his plan and he was a mastermind Having a villain for a whole season CAN work It gets annoying when they are dealing with one villain then beat them pretty quickly then a week later “oh heres the next guy” I miss the Zoom, Thawne, Savatar, Devo type seasons where you are trying to figure out what the villain is doing the whole time and having it be the whole season gives time to develop the backstories more

[@ccelite3782]

I won't lie, Covid messed them up. We didn't start getting half villains until then.

[@NdzNdzNdz]

@@namecomingsoon9517 seasons 1-4 was the gold days

[@kingtchala6832]

I recently came across a Flash video of the best moments between seasons 1-3. Damn, what a show was during season 1&2 - it was dark, kinda gritty, team flash were small. The speedsters had a purpose and had legitimate reasons to hate Barry. The suits for Zoom and Reverse were great and the episodes in those 2 seasons set up so many stories. Then we have what we have today 😔. I only watch due to habit. But this show is REALLY bad.

[@marlonclark1896]

i agree

[@supapiece3439]

It's because early on, Flash was taking tabs from the goated show that was Arrow. For some reason, they stopped that, so when Arrow rebounded after Season 5, Flash kept plummeting. The showrunner has no idea what he's doing.

[@priyamkumar4621]

Season 1, 2,3 was amazing. Season 4 become bit light still ok, season 5 cicada as a villian was trash, season 6 bloodwork arc was good, crisis arc was good, eva arc again trash, season 7 multiple forces arc super, trash, godspeed arc fight scenes were good storyline was trash, season 8 Armageddon arc eas awesome, post Armageddon was trash season 9 red death arc super trash.

[@randallflagg3700]

@@supapiece3439 - Taking tabs from? I think you've combined a couple of idioms there...

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

@@priyamkumar4621 red death was a huge improvement at least the final episode was compared to many of the past episodes and seasons.

[@yrrr4871]

I feel sad that this show never recovered since season 4 😔

[@Lampem]

I think it fell off after season 5 but that’s just my opinion

[@tonybablony2041]

@@Lampem yea, at season 5 it was still a 6-7ish, since it’s been a constant 2-3

[@blairjones7791]

I think when Ralph left the show is when it really started to suck

[@jackbrown2801]

The first half of season 6 was solid imo. I’d say it’s on par with season 3. Unfortunately the second half of the season sucked and the show still hasn’t recovered.

[@Bigmellow_]

Session 1

[@MrEnKaye]

Cecile is the human embodiment of "tell, don't show". The actress is doing her best, and I like seeing her on screen, but the writing fails her massively.

[@priyamkumar4621]

CW made a joke out of first Godspeed and now Red Death. Good old days of evil speedsters who actually had an impact in the story were only reverse flash, zoom and savitar

[@oliverqueen474]

Even Trajectory and the Rival were better than Godspeed and Red Death 😂

[@valkyrie74]

Guy screams and doesn't even use his speed majority of the time. No wonder why Savitar is an alternate version of Barry Allen.

[@SLJ957]

I kept laughing everytime she tried to be serious like when she had her mask off and she ran towards barry in the final fight and that scene in ccpd with kramer

[@NeonWafflez707]

Nah even in the suit she was unintimidating. The suit was so unemotive, like especially after he gets his speed back and she’s like “come out and fight me” she’s literally like waving her fists around and thrusting the air and it’s just fucking hilarious

[@oliverqueen474]

@Waffles Yeah, that’s a problem I have with Godspeed, too. They need emotive masks.

[@SLJ957]

​@@NeonWafflez707 yh these new suits in general are just not working for any of us, red death's reminded me of that negative rf suit from last season, looks impossible to move in

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

@@NeonWafflez707 Idk if it’s just CW, but I never really watched any of there superhero shows, but I feel like the suits in general look more like cosplay if anything. Red Death’s costume, Flash’s bright costume, and not-batwomen’s costumes all kinda look low quality, as if the suits had a budget, some lower budget than others.

[@OmarO_721]

This whole arc felt very rushed. Especially the week’s episode. I would have preferred if we had at least one more episode explaining what is really going on because this episode just gave us way too much. Like suddenly Red Death has telepathic powers, knows about Crisis, and Savitar?? And not to mention to Red Death’s rogues barely had any screen time this episode, and the sudden appearances of Grodd and Batwoman. Pretty sure they said Batwoman was missing in action, they didn’t address that?? They just crammed in way too much, and that’s why the finale felt too short. I really wish they could have explained the whole Red Death timeline thing again with flashbacks, but I guess it is what it is. Only good thing about this arc was that they brought back Grodd one last time before the series ends, but yeah this arc was not a strong start for the final season. I hope they don’t screw up the Cobalt Blue/Speedster War arc, as that’s even shorter with four episodes.

[@cloththesupervillain6094]

That’s the last time we’re seeing Grodd? Oh yeah I am not coming back to this show

[@blankblank6919]

remember the old days where the big bad of the villian would be defeated in the end of the season? that actually kill off characters to build character development for the main hero? is actually threatning?

[@marlonclark1896]

yep

[@jcasali3391]

yeah it ended with Savitar in Season 3

[@Mohamed_Amine]

​@@jcasali3391 it ended in season 5

[@jcasali3391]

@@Mohamed_Amine what? why it was about Reverse Flash he was pulling the strings with Cicada

[@Mohamed_Amine]

@@jcasali3391 for me reverse flash is the main villain of season 5

[@TheDevilFox.]

I saw on twitter someone saying that it would've made more sense if Ollie was Red Death because Ollie and Barry have more history together than Batwoman has with Barry among other stuff and I kinda agreed with that person even tho it would make no sense has to way for Ollie to have a bat in his chest but they could've made some bs reason has to why

[@morris01]

Could’ve used his arrow insignia

[@aleanddragonITA]

They could have used a New Design with Green Arrow's Symbol After all Red Death doesn't sound like a Batman name In the Comics in fact he is actually named Batman: The Red Death Because Red Death alone doesn't sounds like we are talking about The Dark Knight

[@iCyberDev]

​@@aleanddragonITA as a matter of fact have a "green" arrow go "red" death would have been a fitting color theme carry over for his dark side. Oliver WOULD have a color in his name AND he would go from green to red , which stereotypically is "good 👍" to "bad 👎" more than ever the hell they just show horned in with bat woman.

[@Pellz]

I wish some of these actors like Grant or anyone else would have some backbone for the characters they play and stand up to these terrible show runners and script writers because there's no way they are finishing these episodes watching them back and enjoying it

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

That's it, they don't watch the show. Grant Gustin is a great actor but he feels soooo checked out.

[@Pellz]

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Thats the problem I feel like he got into deep and only continued for the money instead of the show

[@morris01]

Honestly I agree and I’ve always said that a lot of actors who play roles should speak out over poor writing and characterization, especially when you have superhero actors who read comics and watch other related content to prepare for the role meaning they know about the character and supporting characters as well

[@AlxCVFX]

@@Pellz I mean, could you blame him? He’s a recent father, typecast TV actor (well known to not earn as well as movie actors), and earns 200K per episode. Of course he’d sign on for whatever bs they write. Hell, I would.

[@Pellz]

@@AlxCVFX He's already well into financial stability though the fact that these tv actors get paid less than movie stars has people thinking that 200K isn't a lot of money but even if Grant has to pay a team and taxes he's made well over a million dollars that's certainly enough to take care of a kid and quit if you don't like the direction your character is going in

[@mmb0483]

After this episode I was just frustrated. It was literally a laughing stock. And they still kept doing the same bs they did in the past few seasons like: -person talks to person and suddenly they’re ok. -person talks to person and suddenly they figure out the solution to the problem they’re facing(Joe talking to Barry) -There’s someone blaming themselves for something(Khione) -WHY DOES BARRY KEEP LOSING HIS SPEED

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

WHat? This episode didn't have any hallway talks from what I've seen which is why it's so good.

[@markcullen2870]

When the show ends you need to do a whole video on how Eric Wallace ruined this show

[@yugiblox3274]

It was getting bad before that tbh. After season 3 only the first half of season 6 before crisis was great with Bloodwork. The rest is pretty wack

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

​@@yugiblox3274 season 4 wasn't bad, I'd take Devoe as a big bad any time before Mirror Mistress, Negative Speedforce Nora, Godspeed and Cavanagh's Thawne any day of the week.

[@shaf621]

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Cavanagh's Thawne was brilliant from S1-5, it's only been since S6, coincidentally when Erik Wallace took over the show that's he's been poor.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

@@shaf621 I think season 5 already had a cartoonish Thawne but he had his moments.

[@shaf621]

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 As in more unhinged, I suppose there were times he was but for the most part he carried on his charming calculated demeanour he had in S1, especially with his conversations with Nora, then with his confrontation with both Barry and Nora in the finale. Reverse Flash was pretty much the saviour of S5 in what would have otherwise been an average season. I'd argue that even S3 and S4 were better overall.

[@topgig]

I was really wishing that they would at least explain why Batwoman had gone missing and what she had been doing all this time before she suddenly reappeared out of nowhere to save Flash from Red Death.

[@NeonWafflez707]

Yeah I thought Red Death had captured her he impersonate Ryan Wilder but that didn’t happen

[@romanzzland]

It’s just lazy writing

[@nefariousarcher2484]

My biggest issue with the Flash is that it tries too hard to be a soap opera and forgets it's the Flash. I miss how it used to be about the science of things. Now they gloss over the science to get back to the campiness or relationship drama. Which don't get me wrong...some campiness works in the Flash. But not this much. So much pointless relationship drama in later seasons involving the supporting characters that the Flash became a side character in his own show. The Flash's screentime has dropped to practically nothing. And it's like the writers don't know how to do a speed battle anymore. Now it's like they run around for a few seconds, someone gets punched down, and then it's over. Then we go back to more campy dialog, and someone else swoops in to save the day. What happened to those old long fights like Barry v. Reverse Flash, Zoom, Rival. Actual superspeed fist fights. If you want to throw in speedforce constructs like shields and swords and stuff, fine. But they should be utilized in the midst of a speed fight, not a lightsaber duel like the one that closed the Godspeed arc. Plus, last I checked, constructs were more Wally's thing. Oh and the freaking constant writers crutch of taking away his speed. This is Barry Allen...the source of the speedforce. In some incarnations he IS the speedforce. How in all of the heck does he keep losing his speed. At least in the past they'd explain it. The first time it was just psychological. The second time he surrendered it to Zoom. Against Cicada, the dagger's dark energy concentration short circuited meta powers. EXPLANATIONS. We are not told in the slightest how Red Death's speed dampens Barry's. Artificial or negative speedforce powers never had this effect before. It's an ex machina with no context, pretext, or explanation. It makes no sense. And it pissed me off... because the show used to be brilliant. And now it's like they just don't care anymore.

[@HaynesX]

Spot on mate! The show has just gone so downhill it’s sad.

[@zemox2534]

OK. I fucking gate that stupid retcon that Barry created the speed force. That was just Geoff letting his silver age favouritism take over and putting Barry on a pedestal that was unearned. Wasn't saving the multiverse enough ?

[@nefariousarcher2484]

@@zemox2534 Apparently not.

[@Alanvogue]

The flash fell prey to the same thing that haunts many modern Movie/TV show...Bad Writers

[@Shockkings0714]

Yes, because we all know previous shows/movies never EVER suffered from bad writers.

[@pizzara889]

BARRY USING A LIGHTNING SHIELD AND PULLOING A CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVE

[@waffledaddy333]

Iris is a big part of why this show has dipped in quality mainly due to the absurd amount of cringe-worthy dialogue. Also the focus on the “Team Flash” hides Barry too much and leads to vomit-inducing scenes. I have been so disappointed in this season, an easy fix would have been to make Red Death Oliver Queen, cause that would have at least made him more intimidating, more of a threat, and given some emotional connection to Barry.

[@liltone9614]

As I said I just can’t take the red death seriously she’s like a baby crying because she didn’t get what she wanted so now she is going to ruin everyone’s world. Red death should have been more menacing. In a perfect world if cw was allowed to use Batman and Kevin conroy was still with us. That Batman from the elseworlds crossover would have made a perfect red death.

[@liltone9614]

The show doesn’t have be directly accurate to the comics. So they could have made red death a mixture of bloodwork and one of the Godspeed clones.

[@SoggyMann]

Season 9 has been one of the worst seasons yet, crazy how season 1 - 4 were actually good and season 5 was alright, but everything between season 6-9 Has Been so bad its embarrassing. The writers and Eric Wallace should be ashamed

[@gustavoclarindo101]

Agreed 100% how are character's thought process and decisions so bad? How are dialogues so cheesy? How could they possibly think anyone would care about Cecille, Chester and Allegra? The creative process behind this show is fascinating

[@sahb8091]

This was horrific. I don't understand how the actors even agreed to act any of these episodes. Why did he never lay a hand on 'her'? Do you remember how brutal speedster fights used to be. Then they devolved into sith lightning and lightsabers. Look how the evil speedsters of the past always killed someone important. Pretty sure he couldn't be seen to be hitting a woman on screen, so why even make Red Death a character. It was painful watching the characters pretend to feel intimidated by her 'I am vengeance' crap. Last season was all about Barry's feats of speed, and now he either doesn't have his speed or doesn't use it. Her story made no sense, her motives made no sense, I always assumed she had kidnapped this world's Batwoman, but it seems like she was just away getting her done and having a spa week. Also is her speed negative (that's why it affects his speed) or is it artificial? He did not need the rogues. If he was a fraction of what he was last season, he would have soloed it.

[@TheRealReVeLaTioN]

I didn’t realize how bad it was until finding out it was the end of the Red Death.

[@JcgLounge]

This show will end the same way LOT ended. A parody of itself. A literal meme. Even Arrow ended on a much better note than this. RIP The Flash. I honestly cannot believe I stood by this shit for 10 years.

[@rickyt.9482]

This used to be one of my favorite shows for the first 3-4 seasons.i would literally be at work thinking about what the next episode would be like.especially season 1 and 2.but now it's just a dumpster fire.kind of sad really.

[@AliHamza-ul3hc]

Bro I freaking love you. Your spitting straight up facts I must say your a goated KZbinr the fact your telling the truth proves your not in the matrix ❤❤❤

[@Iwillone]

This whole mess started when they made on OC Batwoman instead of just recasting the first time. Red Death should have been Kate Kane if not Bruce Wayne.

[@mrtopbald8706]

The acting in this arc was just Yikes I am pretty disappointed by this arc.😞😥 I missed it when the flash villains were threatening and intimidating

[@magicianGOD]

Its all because BBQ(Big Black Erique)

[@Pellz]

The rogues were the only good part of this arc especially Hartly his acting was phenomenal. I hate this Keone bull and how they just murdered Caitlin straight up and none of them seemed to care not even one mention of a funeral happened its like they needed something for her character to do so they just gave her another personality. Its like Barry and Iris are the only ones allowed to have a succesful relationship because it seems like the only arc they got for Caitlin is to affectively just ruin her life as much as they possibly can. Have her first boyfriend die then come back die again seemingly comeback only for this fake Ronnie to be a manifestation of Ronnies grief so he technically died a total of three times and she broke up with her current man to go into this then in S2 her love interest was the seasonal villain then it happened again with bloodwork then the British guy just left the show for seemingly no reason. Theyre trying to cram multiple seasons worth of story arcs into three episodes. Also no one important has died in like 3-4 seasons there's no stakes in the show so none of it really matters. They act like Barry's powers are null every time he comes in contact with Red Death but yet that entire fight scene proves otherwise. She has opportunity to kill all of them on multiple occasions she acts like she wants to but at the same time she only wants to kill criminals??? Its absurd to me that Iris proposes to Keone that she is in any sort of way useful to the team when every single season shes either been kidnapped or immediately disposed of. Keone kissing Mark was insanely crazy especially since literally not more than an episode or two ago he was hell bent on murdering her to get Frost back now all the sudden he's ready to move on just because she resembles frost I guess?? The first episode was decent but I hate the way Barry just throws lightning at everything now his immediate first reaction to Captain Boomerang(whos literally incredibly lame now like just some guy who now has Digger Harknises equipment for some reason ig) was to run up and down a building and throw a lightning bolt at him instead of like punching him or grabbing him and doing literally anything else. Also we were informed Barry can now just produce lightning at will so why did he have to run up and down this building to produce it. Why does every new speedster know how to throw lightning now it was something Barry had to learn and now even the newest speedster Mina/Fastrack just did it on command. Also you cant just run around throwing lightning bolts at people who seemingly haven't shown that they arent durable enough to take that thing to the chest and everytime these people get a literal bolt of lightning thrown at them then seemingly get back up meaning that Barry's bolts are about as effective as a taser when we've seen the same thing happen to Barry when he fought zoom and he got sent multiple feet back. Barry is incredibly irresponsible with his powers he just sent red death flying through a bridge pillar that could've messed up the entire foundations of the bridge and murrdered thousands. Then during the whole forces nonsense last season when Reverse Flash summons a plane to crush Barry he just throws that plane in a random direction and it literally causes an explosion with audible screams happening in the background he undid it but it doesnt change the fact that he literally could've murdered people

[@sidd_not_vicious2609]

can you imagine just how totally insane it would be to be a citizen in a world where this stuff actually happened..like actual super beings fighting aliens and flying around..what would the world be like i wonder

[@AMMB]

I don't know how anyone still lives in Central City. National City and Star City are bad too but yeah

[@sidd_not_vicious2609]

@@AMMB yes..i would live in terror of some lunatic "villain" blowing up downtown AGAIN....just insane

[@Iluvatar196]

I mean, you can say that about any superhero city, including Marvel's. The city got destroyed on Avengers 1 but people still lives there

[@morienforeshadow4553]

The actress of the Red Death just felt like she was overacting a bit, like in the comics the Red Death was genuinely frightening but whenever I saw the Red Death in the show she was just plain silly and disappointing. This should've been a hyper efficient and effective Flash that simply isn't held back by speeches, predicting every move that team Flash makes, having contingencies and whatnot. Making her talk less and maybe do more would've been much more interesting, like we know who she is under the mask, but what she does next should be able to surprise us.

[@leaderzark]

grant gustin is such a amazing actor and he deserved better

[@mistermr.7830]

Honestly, this show shouldn't have used Red Death. If it was Bruce under the mask, it wouldn't mean anything since Barry never knew him. If it was Oliver under the mask, it wouldn't have been like the comics and just be another "Lets Rob from batman to give to _____" thing. If it was Barry, it would've been like the comics and Savitar all over again. *They should've used Cobalt Blue! and brought back Eddie Thawne!* If they couldn't get the actor back, I wouldn't be mad if he wore a mask the whole time like they did Ralph, it would've at least made more sense than shoehorning in Red Death.

[@dynaguy3]

The most I could do was have the episode on in the background and only pay attention when something important is happening

[@eobardthawn6903]

Here they had the biggest potential for a banger ass arc. If they actually used Bruce, kept it longer, had the red death kill someone, I was literally pissed when fake batwomen popped up instead of Bruce.

[@featherguardian6023]

The Bloodwork Arc is and Forever Will Be the Best Arc Eric Wallace made,the Red Death Arc are the Worst One He Pull Out of His Empty Mind but I’m Saving It for a Later Video,for Now this Episode was Freaking Awful,the Barry and Joe Scene and the Fight Scenes are the Only Good Things about it but the Rest Makes Me Cringe while cracking my Teeth and feel like my Brain got Screwed for the Dumbest and Unanswered Questions it Left,Red Death could have been Amazing but makes Power Rangers Villains Greater than they Already Are,they Wasted the Rogues,Red Death is as Menacing as Savitar as Neither Kill or did Something Inhumane,We Didn’t need the Chester and Allegra Romance,Grood is Permanently Ruined along with not Explaining why Batwoman Disappeared(Spoiler Alert Season 2 and 3 of Batwoman are just as If Not Worse than Season 1) or How Red Death is in that Earth,Kyon is a Abomination that Ruins Sky High and Killer Frost Character along with Chillblame being a Iceman Ripoff,and I didn’t know what is Wrong with Eric Wallace but I Think I Figured It Out,It wasn’t the Flash or his Lore that He was In Love,It’s Cecile Horton,He’s in Love with the Cecile Actress which Explains Alot as Well as Why He wants to Keep Her Tainting the Final Season and Thrown Away Joe with His Daughter in a Disgraceful Way,In All Honesty I would have Brought Back the Ralph Dipny Actor instead of Eric Wallace Writing Scripts on Our Favorite Scarlet Speedster.

[@jamiemeansjamesmusic]

I'm out of words for how bad this show has gotten. Red Death being Batwoman? Total joke. There's no fear factor there. What made the RD terrifying was it was Bruce but with a connection to the speed force. All they've done here is given extra appearances to a pointless character from a cancelled show. The writing is the worst part. Iris doesn't need to be the centre of what seems like every episode, she's a hollow character that really doesn't do anything to advance the story. What also pisses me off is that show runner Eric Wallace still acts like this show is fantastic. The man is deluded, well deserving of incarceration in a mental institution.

[@mrtopbald8706]

I wish we had Red Death used more attacks referencing how she is a fusion of batwoman and flash.Also why does Red Death not look feminine at all.I want to see more Red Death fighting.

[@scottkendall7789]

I wonder, is Red Death supposed to be a midget? I mean she barely came up to The flash's knees. Making a short black woman into Batwoman was stupid. then taking that same short black woman and making her Red Death was even stupider but the stupidest thing of all was hiring Javicia Leslie a short black woman to play Batwoman, when they should have recast Kate Kane from the start. I hated every second of the Javicia Leslie Batwoman. She was no hero whatsoever. In her show, she didn't do one thing Heroic. Everything she did was for selfish reasons.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

​@@scottkendall7789 I gotta say, we were robbed from seeing more of Wallis Day as Kate Kane. She should've been Red Death and at least a recurrent character on Batwoman instead of getting sent off.

[@Whateverisayfax]

​@Ivan Agustin Ortiz It couldn't be helped she had mental And physicals problems at the time iirc

[@nvapisces7011]

This red death arc is nothing but rushed. Made it look like a villain of the week. To think that Eric Wallace learnt from his mistake of having only 4 episodes for Godspeed arc but he didn't. 13 episodes are the perfect episode count for one big bad and somehow Wallace doesn't seem to know about that and rushed the villain arc and all that character development for red death that was supposed to be there

[@dragonwarden93]

Regarding the Actress behind Red Death/Batwoman she started playing (Batwoman) in second season of the show since the Original actress for said characters left the show just after one season. I believe the original actress who played Batwoman was Ruby Rose.

[@aaronkelly1762]

Yes it was Ruby Rose. She left because of health reasons, because she had an injury do to her terrible costume. Towards the end of the first season, after her injury, they redesigned the costume to something closer to the comics; which honestly looked much better.

[@NunYaBiz1313]

@@aaronkelly1762 nah, she was too woke and hard to work with. That whole injury shit was just a copout. Can't believe u believed it.

[@JoelMiller431]

*The Flash* Seasons Ranked 1. Season 1 2. Season 2 3. Season 6A: "Blood and Truth" 4. Season 3 5. Season 4 6. Season 5 7. Season 8A: "Armageddon" 8. Season 8C: "It's All Negative" 9. Season 8B: "Death Revisited" 10. Season 6B: "Reflections and Lies" 11. Season 9A 12. Season 7B: "The Godspeed Imperative" 13. Season 7A: "God Complex"

[@PranavMunjal]

Season 2 > Season 1 > Season 8 Armageddon Part > Season 4

[@pamhoffman1574]

I agree it was pretty bad for sure. You would think since it is the last season they would pull out all the stops. Oh well I guess I won't miss the show so much since it sucks now. I feel bad for the actors, they are so much better than this.

[@kinghitman6270]

Her acting was off, but so was the story line. Her second season as Batwoman was actually great. Especially seeing their Joker

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

Me and my friend who occasionally joins me on some of the Arrowverse shows laugh more with The Flash than we do with actual supposed comedies. It's hilariously awful at times, we're having a blast 😂 I find it insane that out of all the Arrowverse shows that got unceremoniously cancelled Batwoman was the one that got to get a return on screen. How about an episode trying to tie up Legends of Tomorrow's cliffhanger ending? Maybe an episode addressing those Stargirl connections they were building up to? Is the John Diggle Lantern show still happening, could we get like, idk, a tease or something? I know it's supposed to be a Flash finale but whether it likes it or not also the Arrowverse timeline's finale (since the Diggle show probably isn't even gonna happen let's be real here for a second) and it certainly doesn't feel like it.

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

The Flash Season 9 finale will be where Barry Allen recruits Oliver Queen, Ryan Choi and Kendra Saunders to help him in his greatest battle ever against Eobard Thawne, that decides his fate. Flash and Reverse-Flash will run back in time to the year 2000 and Nora Allen will die, creating a time loop that makes the show go full circle back to The Flash Season 1!!!

[@Sh1zbyname22]

there should've been more fight scenes of red death, showing her feats and all sorts. and she was such a mid villain,not even menacing or intimidating, i just laughed when her clones just spawned scaring those NPCS and just mumbling🤣. but the best scene of red death in my opinion is her first appearence.

[@mikerosoft2179]

9:58 Black Lion: Talks about the show being truly great at times. Also, Black Lion: Shows picture of the character he dislikes most.

[@daryl772003]

for something that eric wallace claimed would give closure to batwoman it raised a lot of questions

[@YellowLantern18]

If a time remnant Oliver from the Elseworlds was Red Death, I imagine that would have been more impactful and intimidating.

[@nathanstephen389]

Zoom and reverse flash seem to be the only brilliant villains the cw can make for the flash series

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

true

[@sarahc9068]

Celcile quickly agreeing to be away from her child 5/7 days a week (and Joe completely seriously suggesting it outright) was WILD.

[@Pilaspilas911]

You know... they could have use the real Bruce on Batwoman show... since Bruce was basically missing and batwoman had to take the mantle twice by never earning it, this would at least explain why Bruce is missing. They could have fixed the plot holes and whatnot, but instead always had to go the woke route...

[@rohanalag6831]

Last episode when the "Red Death" started shouting like a maniac... acting like a freaking comical evil supervillain.... What happened to actual good villainous speedsters like zoom, Reverse flash and savitar.... The fucking Trickster was more scary than this Red Death

[@Kalel2.0]

A far cry from Sn 5 which was truly the last great season. This season has been incredibly underwelming and disappointing and its hardly got going. And that Suit is just so lame imo. They didn't do much of a backstory or build anticipation and mystery like they Did with Savitar and Zoom. It's like the Writers stopped even trying at Sn 6

[@harrambou9468]

The bitch was using lightning as heat vision, as a gun, and as a grappling hook 💀😂 Y’know I’ve always thought Seasons 1-3 were a little overrated but MAN they showed promise. *S1 Final Battle:* “I’ve controlled your life for so long Barry...how will you get along without me..? 😰” *S9 Final Battle:* “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 😬”

[@kyleallen1646]

I actually think this season is giving S7 a run for it's money so far. Such a shame

[@huh9315]

Wish this show was actually THE FLASH instead of TEAM FLASH

[@rymtotheprime11]

Never felt more insulted watching a tv show

[@theflashdcuniverse]

Watch she Hulk its more insulting

[@rymtotheprime11]

@@theflashdcuniverse in a different way😭the flash just insults you by spoon feeding you everything meanwhile she hulk attacks you

[@theflashdcuniverse]

​@@rymtotheprime11 I don't blame them spoon feeding because people today don't pay attention

[@officialprincelouie]

​@@theflashdcuniverse That's... Depressing.

[@kadinthomas2691]

A big problem is just the team dynamic in general. The CW has to have their super hero team and it ruins it. Iris saying “we are the flash” like tf no you’re not

[@AmaanPlayZ]

They should’ve made Cecil leave instead of Joe 😭

[@samdaman9154]

The show went downhill after season 2. Sidekicks get more screen time than The Flash. The same thing happened to Arrow & now it's continuing on Superman & Lois.

[@jumpcutfilms1958]

Why does Barry have to lose his speed every season

[@jcasali3391]

yeah they always depower one of the most Powerful Dc Heroes besides Superman on the Planet

[@jumpcutfilms1958]

@@jcasali3391 it's so stupid

[@valkyrie74]

​@@jcasali3391 Flash>Superman

[@jcasali3391]

@@valkyrie74 disagree there both great

[@theflashdcuniverse]

Budget

[@CdrChaos]

I feel bad for Grant; his own show is being sabotaged just to give more screentime to Batwoman after her terrible show was canceled, rather than letting this final season be a love letter to the entire series and the fans.

[@downtowngorilla1666]

At this rate, I'm expecting a Putty Patrol fight.

[@tokyodeathghoul2313]

Let's get one thing clear, the thing people tuned in to see in Batwoman wasn't Batwoman, it Alice.

[@pizzara889]

WAS RED DEATH TRYING TO BE SPIDER-MAN

[@M45D]

That's exactly what I thought

[@Nightwing-1019]

With Joe leaving, it only leaves Barry and Iris the only people that are on or with Team Flash from the start. It's just hilarious like where the hell is the Og Team Flash?

[@ajwebhead21]

Trust me javicia acts better on her 2 season of batwoman and you like her more and more on batwoman as that's show went on

[@TrippleBPlays]

Good to know. I was considering finally watching Batwoman, but her acting as Red Death worried me a lot

[@ajwebhead21]

​@TrippleBPlays you don't the writing was definitely better on that show

[@raqueltyrant]

We could just chuck it up to cw’s explanation to everything. “They Just Did”

[@theflashdcuniverse]

If the side characters piss you off so much then you should have quit during season 7.

[@danzackblack5829]

It's fun shitting on these characters and the show. Plus if you've watched since season 1 came out you'd understand the want to stick around till the end

[@theflashdcuniverse]

​@@danzackblack5829 no I don't understand. Hate watching is immature and don't try to justify it to me I don't wanna hear about it.

[@danzackblack5829]

@@theflashdcuniverse talk about immature 😂

[@theflashdcuniverse]

​@@danzackblack5829 shut up

[@AlisonL520]

The main point I find is wrong with the show is that it hasn't aged with the audience. It came out in 2014, I was almost 13 then. Yet the first 2 maybe 3 seasons were the darkest, the most interesting. Barry has learnt the same stuff over and over again. It's tiring

[@anubhavpal5782]

Show has been on a downward spiral since season 4

[@psytron939]

RD was the bigggest anti-climactic waste of a character in this show. Was teased to be a real big villain, We never really saw what happened to that version of Batwoman, just randomely on this Earth for some stupid reason, no real motive, abd then the actual Batwoman shows yp out of nowhere after disappearing and what, no explanation on that either?! I wanted to like Javicia’s RD, but even the acting was just not good. The whole RD was absolute garbage, maybe we had our expectations high up on that one, but the real finale better be a god damn banger…

[@azraiel1984]

Substitute "Batman" is complete crap. It ticked me off quite a bit when substitute "Batman" said iconic lines made by actual Batman.

[@Velocity_YT]

The way Red Death kept screaming when her mask was off was just cringe 😖 Also, she stole a line that was meant for Godspeed 😑

[@CriticsCupofficial]

Considering this dropped from a ridiculous 22 episodes to 10! And still the budget is crap hahahahahah

[@Deimuragus_of_the_heaven]

I still remember the day Red death got announced to be in the flash season 9, and everyone was excited, until leaks came out and it wasn't bruce wayne.

[@r.e.z9428]

I can confirm shes is just as bad acting-wise in Batwoman as she is in this show. I don’t even think the show has fans except the people who laugh at it for being so horrible.

[@15OgLoc]

Red Death, one of the coolest representative of the speedsters in recent years, and they completely botched it.

[@doger944]

I actually forgot that that there was a second actor for batwoman😂 I can't believe that show made it to two seasons. I can't believe it made it past the pilot.

[@arkhamedits]

being able to watch any scene focused on side characters in 2x speed is a life saver

[@husseinnoureddine2398]

Or just skip them entirely tbh

[@zenaku8508]

terrible acting terrible actor terrible script terrible writing damn what an ending of the Flash

[@alexchan4819]

The finale fight was really good; Camera angles, CGI, ingenuity. Everything else leading up to it was about 5/10, Red Death was a solid 3/10

[@maxfastlich9742]

I am not a huge fan of Allegra, Cecile, and Chester at all and these forced storylines that are unnecessary and no one cares about. And yeah the acting for red death could be cringe at sometimes but I didn’t hate this first half of the season. Over the past couple of years I used to be so pissed off with the show about how bad it was and how it wasn’t as good as seasons 1,2, and 3 but now I look at this show very differently. I don’t hold the show to the same standards as the earlier seasons because no matter what it will never get back to the way it was. So now I just have fun with the show I’ve been watching to long at this point to drop it so as long as the show can give me something consistent and stay away from how season 7 was then I will just take everything with a grain of salt and stop hoping the show will be as good as it once was cause nothing can top season 1 and 2 with consistency and villain threat level.

[@OtherDude]

I get the writers want Cecile on the team, but realistically she should leave with Joe. She's placing her superhero life over her daughter. For what? The excitement? Greater good? Joe was completely right imo, the city isn't safe for Jenna and she deserves safety and normalcy, but she also deserves a mother who is present.

[@ajaygeoffrey5929]

Cecile was a character introduced for Joe's character growth. Tbh, the show never needed a character like cecile. Much like how when carlos left, cisco and his girlfriend were written out , the same should've been done for Cecile. Also I dont understand why there so many unnecessary characters who dont really contribute anything to the plot.There's cecile,allegra,chester,Khione etc.. the show would be much better without these characters. Even Iris doesnt need that much screentime.

[@davewilhelm2508]

Her acting as Red Death is God awful. It was definitely the wrong choice to portray this character. The first appearance was great when all you can see is a shadowy figure with the glowing symbol and the red lightning coursing through it, but then it all went downhill. The Red Death should have been more like Zoom from season 2

[@councilmanbanks6528]

Honestly I am disappointed with this arc, it feels like they did nothing for 3 episodes, then for 4 and 5 stretching parts of one episode and then rushing big storylines. With annoying side characters and a lot of plot holes and just inconsistency.