The Forgotten Munich Air Crash Of 1960 - Tragedy In The Fog

What was meant to be a joyous trip home for the Christmas holidays turned to tragedy. A combination of bad weather and a frozen pipe were all it took to create a disaster right in Munich city center... Overshadowed by the 1958 Manchester United air crash, this is the story of Munich's other, forgotten air disaster......
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[@elliottprice6084]

This is what I like best about this channel. Forgotten tragedies being brought to light and remembered. The Manchester United disaster was a sad story, but this was too, as all the passengers were so young. RIP to all the victims of this diaster

[@Trustkillx]

The plane was a piece of shit

[@mauricedavis2160]

I was thinking the same thing!!!🙏😢✈️❣️

[@elliottprice6084]

@@mauricedavis2160 I only discovered this channel by chance, and I'm glad I did. People need to be made aware of forgotten tragedies so the victims can be remembered

[@robyngreliche7603]

Yes Air Crash investigations only show us the major crashes I had never heard about this one or many others that are on this channel thank you for showing all these showing

[@RedShedNick]

​@@elliottprice6084Absolutely and well said.

[@Flame-Bright-Cheer]

I really appreciate the uplifting ending where you showed the young man who had been burned with his wife and currently alive and happy that was quite the tearjerker

[@100SteveB]

Love seeing videos made of these lesser known disasters. Another such disaster that I hope will be covered one day is the 1961 Holtaheia Vickers Viking crash, which happened just outside of Stavanger in Norway. At the time it was the worst air disaster to happen in Norway. The plane was a charter flight carrying school children from a school in Croydon - which back then was a part of Surrey. Everybody onboard were killed in the crash. The school where the children and their teachers came from was Lanfranc high school. I learned all about the crash when I became a pupil of the school in 1976. In the school grounds a new cricket pavilion was built in memory of the pupils and teachers who died. My daily walk to and from school involved walking through the local cemetery where there was a large memorial garden where all of the boys and teachers were buried. Other than through the school, or through the local papers, i have never seen the disaster covered anywhere else. 34 pupils, two teachers and 3 air crew lost their lives that day.

[@simonpearn479]

Isn't Surrey part of Croydon today?

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

I was eighteen years old and very conscious of the recent mid-air disaster in New York City as I passed through on my way to my duty assignment in Germany. A C-118 flew the group of us to Rhein-Mainz and buses took us on to the Eifel. I suppose the confusion of being in a foreign country and finding my way in my new assignment distracted me completely, because I have no memory of hearing about this disaster that occurred days after I arrived in Germany. I can only imaginer the horror of this tragedy for the citizens still recovering from the devastation of war. Years later, I discovered that the civilian version of the Convair in this disaster had a hidden flaw. The sump drain valves used for the daily drainage of water from the bottom of the fuel tanks were susceptible to being blocked by ice in cold weather. The mechanic attempting to drain the sump would find that no fluid came out when the valve was opened. He then faced the prospect of putting the airplane in a warm hangar, if one could be found, until the fuel warmed enough to melt the ice and allow it to drain. In the Munich case, he might have decided that the show must go on, and the minuscule amount of ice blocking the valve could cause no trouble. When I encountered blocked drains while maintaining civilian Convairs I developed the method of clearing the area and then removing the valve and quickly installing a new one while fuel ran over my bare arms, no matter the weather. But this was after the airplanes were converted to turboprop engines and jet fuel. The aviation gasoline in the Munich disaster was much too volatile to attempt this trick. And we will never know how much water was in its tanks.

[@johncantwell8216]

I remember flying on one of the converted Convairs in NY State back in the late 1970's. I believe it was called the 580 after the conversion. Being used to jets, I found the prop noise somewhat annoying, especially when the pitch was set for takeoff and landing.

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

This is the first time I've seen this crash mentioned outside of books on disasters. Well done!

[@bz7924]

This was never forgotten by my husband. The despair in his voice when he did speak every now and then was heartbreaking, the horror never left him, the images, noise, silence and his utter helplessness haunted him. He felt this one far more so than the Busby Babes which he also witnessed .

[@pomerau]

I can't begin to imagine, whether he witnessed the plane first or realised it was more than a tram incident later. Something you can never get over. Most so young. Thanks for sharing. Give more information if it helps to share.

[@zentran2690]

Oh my god. The part at the end about the man who survived later married the Nurse that helped him made me cry.

[@KarenAlexandrite-aka-PinkRose]

Yes, Raven, thank you for letting us know how things went for this man. Thank God there was something lovely in all this horror! Thank you for such well-done videos.

[@tinkertailor7385]

As a private transport for an American general and his staff, the plane was probably always fully fueled and on standby, so when he allowed its use for the students, that was the plane's fuel status. Fully fueled. It was probably seen as a plus, rather than a minus and in most cases it was. Even with half a fuel load, the results for the tram trolley would have been still the same.

[@NK-qn6pq]

But with only half the fuel, the plane would've been lighter and maybe could have climbed high enough to not hit the building.

[@grottybt5006]

Smoking a cigarette with a burned face has to be the most chad thing ever, if we're allowed to say that these days

[@mothMagnets]

"How dare you"

[@southerncross3638]

It was 1960.

[@charliekezza]

​@@southerncross3638back then you could smoke everywhere

[@shadetreader]

If by "chad" you mean "moronic", sure 🙄

[@trainnerd3029]

@@shadetreader he survived having a plane crash on him… Do you think he’s worried about his cigarette? Lol.

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

As the plane was put to use for the Major General Ernest Moore, it was most likely fueled up to the limit on his personal instruction so that his office would foot the bill for the transport. He was at the time Commanding General for the US forces in Great Britain, and would certainly have commanded a plane for his personal disposal. If he was kind enough to lend his plane to a bunch of students that wanted to meet their parents in the Air Force for christmas, nobody would question his prerogative, and nobody would blame him for it either.

[@secretagent5954]

theres absolutely no basis for that accusation. this was a military-used aircraft so “moores office” wouldnt foot the bill regardless. the MILITARY “foots the bill” which is why these students were even able to travel home in the first place. it sounds like you are blaming moore and/or the usa military for killing more german citizens than had the plane been fueled halfway while ignoring the glaring fact that if a plane carrying any amount of extra fuel that crashes into an intersection would most likely kill everyone in that intersection regardless. as im sure you know aviation fuel is extremely flammable and burns up quickly. stop being a salty “uninformed” n*zi

[@AINGELPROJECT667]

It always adds another layer to a tragedy when a key factor is a simple act of kindness gone astray.

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

@@AINGELPROJECT667 Not only that, but also the implication the fuel leak could've happened to the Major General himself on his next trip. So there's definitely nobody to blame.

[@JWUniverse]

Imagine scared of being late for something to catch the train before it leaves only then have it nearly kill you. Then taken to the Hospital being in constant pain that a nurse helps you then you realize later in your life. This event brought you your future wife… That in itself is Amazing! RIP to the Victims but a very Happy Anniversary to you too when ever it may be!

[@Jenny010132]

I can’t believe this disaster isn’t more well known. It’s one of the worst I’ve ever heard about. Thank you for keeping alive the memories of the victims. I’m glad there was at least some happiness that came from this.

[@pp3k3jamail]

Yeah I never heard of this accident but he also said it was a mid-air collision over New York city around the same time. I never heard about that accident either.

[@GiordanDiodato]

likely because the NYC mid-air collision occurred the day before

[@ChrisScott464]

1 word for what you do. 'Brilliant'. I had never heard of this horrific tragedy & you tell the story in such detail as it must take you ages to gather all the material together & explain with such feeling for the victims.

[@donmear6654]

I would love for you to do a video on the Frank Slide, the worst landslide in Canada. For years the town was warned by the natives that turtle mountain was moving, and the natives refused to settle the area because of it. Also a bunch of miners got trapped, and they just barely managed to dig their way out of the mines. Love your work!

[@Geoduct123]

Also crazy was who died who survived and how they survived. It would take an hour to catch all the details. Like didn't the railway guy run down the track to stop the train from arriving

[@donmear6654]

@@Geoduct123 very possible, I haven't looked into it for many years but that sounds about right.

[@empressmarowynn]

As horrible as this disaster was I admit I went aww at the guy and his nurse getting married. Though I'm sure he would have much preferred meeting her under better circumstances.

[@patriciayoung3267]

I am amazed that such a tragic incident with such a wide-reaching impact on aviation over Munich could be so completely forgotten. Thank you for bringing this tragedy forward so it and the victims can be properly remembered.

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

It's nice to see something good come out of such a terrible event.

[@grapeshot]

Speaking of the Fog the movie The Fog from 1980 is much better then that reboot.

[@paulsmodels]

It might have turned out better if the pilot just kept going straight instead of looping over the city. He could have stayed in the air long enough to land in some field maybe.

[@RichardBlaine-e2y]

There is also a mysterious crash of 13! Russian planes in Kemlitz in 1951. Maybe another interesting topic for a video

[@WendyDarling1974]

I immediate thought about how this disaster must’ve affected city residents who’d gone through the war. Must’ve brought it all back. And doubtless many victims were war survivors who were then killed in a freak accident.

[@wilsjane]

Perhaps the saddest part was that the everyday citizens of Germany had no idea what Hitler had in mind when they voted him into power. A largely unspoken about fact was that towards the end of the war, the conscripted German pilots were dumping their bombs into the English channel, preserving their own lives and those of UK citizens. It became part of the end of the madness by slowing Hitler's progress.

[@ripwednesdayadams]

I can’t believe I never heard about this. Things couldn’t have gone worse.

[@kevinbourke1847]

Do the summerland fire , island of man 1973 august 2nd 50 years ago

[@JackDurose-q3p]

Would love to se a video about the Hixon rail disaster. Think thats a lesser known one.

[@raquellofstedt9713]

Thank you for a thoughtful and informative report on this disaster. My heart aches for all the victims, but in the light of a terrible accident that occurred two days ago here in rural Sweden, I can´t help but grieve for the young lives lost in the flames, both on the plane, and on the ground. Life snuffed out so brutally when it should be at its brightest always seems to hit where it hurts the most.

[@saragrant9749]

You do such a fantastic job with these videos. I’d love to see your take on a couple of other disasters that have taken place- The Frank Slide and the Hope Slide, both of which have left people permanently buried and undiscovered. The Meuse Valley Killer Fog, a true industrial catastrophe The sinking of the Volturno, an essentially forgotten maritime tragedy.

[@thexen3120]

A truly horrific disaster. The carnage was absolutely complete. Good heavens.

[@beththompson2188]

A nice ending about the couple. 😊

[@stuartf2946]

Direct and to the point Mr Raven, which is why I watch your channel. It's also good to see that the channel is getting more views, well deserved. I am an aviation geek but I did not know about this awful story. Thank you.

[@lyedavide]

Thanks for another well presented video of a terrible tragedy. May those who died Rest In Peace.

[@cmonkey63]

Amidst the horror, at least there was one happy story, that of the last man on the tram who escaped with his life. The nurse he later married surely saved his life. But I suspect that Christmas was never the same for him.

[@jessicamilestone4026]

Another heartbreaking, but fascinating video. Thank you. What you do, bringing these neglected tragedies into the light, is SO important. Thank you. I hope you've been having a good week

[@disconnected22]

You’ve become the centerpiece of my doom-binging, sir

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

It's not doom, it's learning by (other peoples) mistakes....

[@burningchrome70]

Please consider Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 and David Augustus Burke. It's fascinating and deserves to be known. Thank you for all the educational and entertaining content this channel provides. I love discovering so many unique and useful events in history.

[@zebjohnson5580]

Gives me final destination movie vibes 😳

[@blackhawkorg]

Excellent presentation. The pilot should've feathered the engine and gone to an alternate airport. By turning he bled off more airspeed and altitude. Hi primary goal should have been to avoid exactly what he did, crashing in a densely populated area. Rest in Peace

[@paolovolante]

Thanks! Look out for the forgotten air crash of the I-ELCE Fiat G.212CP carrying the whole football "Grande Torino" team. At that time (1949) it was the strongest team in Italy and one of the best in Europe. It was a national tragedy. But no one made a video about it yet... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superga_air_disaster

[@hwd71]

01:34. No way these students are 17, 18, 19. Fred Milburn looks 40!.

[@Sashazur]

Teens of yore always look too old, because they wear clothes and hairstyles that present day people only remember seeing on older people.

[@michaelhoffmann2891]

Strange, but maybe it's outside Munich or it's specifically in the UK that the "Manchester United Crash" is remembered. As someone who lived in Bavaria, including Munich, for decades and whose parents lived and were **in** Munich on the day of the crash, it always seemed like the Hackerberg Crash is the one that's remembered more. PS: it took 3 more decades, mostly thanks to Nimbys and endless lawsuits, that the new Munich airport safely away from the city was finally opened.

[@underarmbowlingincidentof1981]

I once walked past the street and saw the memorial plaque and was confused but quickly forgot about it. Never heard about it and I live there!!!

[@tabbitee]

No brain cells today. Algorithm comment. Keep it up, Mr Raven!

[@slim-oneslim8014]

Terrible disaster. A very nice end to the video.

[@bennyboogenheimer4553]

Prost to Manfred, from surviving, and to his wife for saving his life, a second time.

[@grapeshot]

I I just saw a video about the Wichita Falls football team that was destroyed in an airplane crash in 1970.

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

That airplane was carrying athletes from Wichita State University, not Wichita Falls. For many year afterward the wreckage was visible to passing traffic on I-70 in Colorado.

[@grapeshot]

@@Hopeless_and_Forlorn okay

[@chatteyj]

What is it with football teams and plane crashes? I'm not actually very familiar with the manchester united crash but theres also the one that crashed into the Andes that the film alive is based on.

[@johneeeemarry34]

It’s a very, very dangerous game… Stick to your local park or recreation centre..

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Yet another one I didn't know about, I assumed from the title and year this was a commercial, not a chartered military, flight. Makes me wonder actually how often this sort of thing was used for families of service personnel. I know of a few occasions the RAF did something similar around the same time as well with transport planes for similar reasons toon

[@DrOlds7298]

I lived in West Germany as both a Dependent and later as a G.I.. There were other long reaching effects of this event. It actually was a very major breach of Military protocol & security for this plane to have been used to transport these Dependents in this manner,and led to some very major changes in the use of these aircraft,and the transportation of Dependents to & from Univ. of Maryland's Munchen (Munich) Campus at McGraw Kaserne. (And at later Kasernes where the campus was after McGraw was closed in the '90s?) From then on,the only way they could fly if needed was Space-A on a Transport,or via Bus, Bundesbahn or POV. No more Charters unless it was for a sporting event,and even then these were Civilian charters.

[@gary1961]

Some of those students in their photos looked like grown men and women, yet they were all only 17 - 19 years old. I don't know how the poor parents were supposed to identify their sons and daughters. They would have been burned beyond recognition. Jewellery maybe? Dental records?

[@DrOlds7298]

Uncle Sam has some -very- good Forensics teams,though I doubt they actually did their 'work' in England.....Frankfurt,Wiesbaden or Landstuhl are the more likely places. Plus 'we' had to carry our ID on us (And in this era,even wear Dog Tags!) at all times,and of course as Military Dependents the Dental & Fingerprint records would be easily on hand???

[@caseydykes117]

This is literally the case of whatever could go wrong, did go wrong. the tram, the spire, the busy street. Absolutely heartbreaking

[@davidhollingdale5408]

Thank you for this account.I had never heard of this crash until now. I feel for the General whose good turn resulted in 52 dead and so many injured; but at least the couple are still together after 63 years.

[@ShaunHopkinsAVFC]

Without that extra fuel, they could’ve cleared that spire easily

[@Shinzon23]

....why is a team of people skilled at kicking a ball around a grassy field more remembered than a crash that killed 52 people and essentially had a plane nose dive into a crowded city?

[@johneeeemarry34]

Because of the amount of people who attended the games, watch it on TV, listen to match commentary on the radio, read about the matches in the news papers, buy replica strips and develop an emotional attachment to the team…More than 50 strangers die in cities every day , why don’t you care about them? Why don’t you send flowers? Why don’t you send messages of condolences to the families of ever strangers that dies? Are you a selfish p.o.s that only cares about your self? The overwhelming evidence seems to suggest that is the case.

[@TheBeingReal]

The old impossible turn.

[@DaveSCameron]

Wow! I hadn't heard of this whatsoever, their Iser, DER Rechts hospital must have been cursed at this time. 🙏

[@JGCR59]

It's weird as when I was in Munich like 10 years ago this was pretty much where I passed every day and I had no idea of this accident

[@missasinenomine]

You weren't going to the Oktoberfest by any chance were you? O ye........

[@chesspiece81]

Yes I love when I see a Ravens Eye, Plainly Difficult, and Brick Immortar disaster upload notification. I just wish they happened more frequently and were longer, but I'm happy with any upload whatsoever.

[@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking]

To tide you over. United States Chemical Safety Board. Air Safety Institute. Big ol Boats. Ocean liner Designs. 👍

[@chesspiece81]

@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking I watch Oceanliner Designs and Big Old Boats

[@MrRhoobarb1]

​@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTrackingI would add Dark Science, Fascinating Horror, Dark Records, Descent Into Darkness, Historsea, Maritime Horrors, Mentour Pilot, Scary Interesting and Waterline Stories. If you like this type of content.

[@RedFawcett]

Hmm, me father had informed me not to long ago that he remembered this disaster in Munich but because he said it involved another football team I didn't quite believe him. Well, I learned something new, that's why I like this channel.

[@jmm2000]

I barely remember this crash. I was reading about it in those disaster books where it happened on the same day as the mid-air collision over New York City, NY; a United Airlines jet struck a TWA plane resulting in 160 fatalities.

[@africanblue]

It‘s probably mostly forgotten because of another crash 2 years before. Most people think, it was the same crash. The Munich air disaster occurred on 6 February 1958, when British European Airways Flight 609 crashed on its third attempt to take off at Munich-Riem Airport in Munich, West Germany. The aircraft was carrying the Manchester United football team, nicknamed the "Busby Babes", along with supporters and journalists. There were 44 people on board, 20 of whom died at the scene.

[@Laurinha813]

Thank you so much for making this video and keeping the memory of this tragedy alive! I was born in Munich more than 60 years after this catastrophe happened, but since the day I first read about it, it hasn’t left my mind. I’ve visited the crash site many times and everytime I go to work by train I can see the spire of St. Pauls church. I’ve even climbed up there during Oktoberfest-season. I think it’s so sad, that this tragedy is almost forgotten, even though it’s one of the worst in the history of Munich. May the victims always be remembered!

[@Ranillon]

FYI - The last name (Hoch) of the fellow in the tram who survived with burns IS NOT pronounced ‘hock’ but like ‘hoke’ as in rhymes with ‘coke.’ It is actually the German word for ‘high’ - and my own last name.

[@madskier50]

It's not forgotten, but it is fading into the past, just like everything else. Collective memory is not large enough for every tragedy from all time to remain fresh forever.

[@thejournalist1785]

Can you please make a video about the Collinwood school fire?🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Electriceye1984bySam]

This is a new unknown event to me until you posted, thanks for the great channel👏🏻😉👌🏻

[@josi4251]

Awesome job, Raven!! I don't believe I'd heard of this before, and as always, you do a bang-up presentation for us. Thankies!!!

[@tommy2rock971]

I'm from Germany and I watch a lot of videos about tragedies like that, but I never heard about this before. Thanks for your work, I really love your channel.

[@stephenbritton9297]

Man, nowadays, a nurse would get fired for a relationship with a Pt...

[@ThePHYL]

There was a plane crash in Brooklyn, I believe it was 1960….only survived by 1 little boy, found in the snow…he lived for a short time a the hospital for a short time…there is a plaque in the lobby, he was called the…everyone’s little boy…he died to be with his parents who died in the crash….I was 12 at the time…it was a jet and a crashed with another plane….I live a few blocks away, we ran up the on the 3 rd story building…my future husbands lived a block away, the lost all the windows …it just missed the tower on a church …saint Augustine…called the tower of fire, many years before the crash,

[@tq644]

Why on earth would ATC stick to protocol to navigate the plane in its turnaround to the center of Munich in dense fog?? That is just plain dumb.

[@simonpearn479]

The terrible Munich Air Disaster occurred after Manchester United had drawn 3-3 with Red Star Belgrade!

[@lucyschneider2840]

My big brother was one of the students on board. This is the first time I'm seeing this article. Thank you for a fair representation of this tragic disaster and keeping the memories of the victims alive.

[@MaryB-o4v]

I knew one of the students on this plane. We were at the same AF base prior to his leaving for college. I have always remembered him. I never knew the details. I only remember the loss I felt as his friend. My sympathy to you for your loss.

[@Laurinha813]

I’m sorry for your loss… Since the day I’ve first read about this catastrophe, it hasn’t left my mind. It makes me sad that this tragedy is almost completely forgotten. I would love to know more about the students who so tragedily perished that fateful day. Maybe you want to share some memories about your brother? If yes, you're welcome to send me a DM

[@TheGodParticle]

Heart breaking, the pilot I think could have made it, if it weren't for that damn spire!

[@anthonyrausch5708]

3:57 - God; “NOW THAT WAS CRUEL” you chicky git…..

[@teaburg]

Don't know how many times I said OMG while listening to this.

[@FinnishLapphund]

Another so well-made video that even hearing about tragedies like this becomes bearable.

[@NewsHistorian]

Never heard of this one. We can speculate that it was kept under reported due to Cold War security concerns and not wanting to cause friction between the American military and German civilian authorities.

[@MeaHeaR]

I dont thinqué it was a corvare, I thinqué it was be called a Convair

[@IrishEddie317]

Yet another plane crash because people insist on flying in weather that is absolutely crappy.

[@ellenbryn]

Excellent retelling of a story that is really heartbreaking. All the American students were born during WWII - either like my father, after their dads had shipped overseas, or possibly to British mothers. And it was only 15 years since the end of WWIi in Europe, so all the adults except the Americans stationed there could still vividly remember the sounds of bombing, the city partially in ruins, relatives killed and the firebombing of Dresden. In some ways it's a miracle the Germans were able to cone to grips with the occupying forces of the Allies (not to mention Russia) and not become just as resentful as they did after WWI. The sanctions weren't at outrageous, but having a foreign attacker's airbases all around Munich constantly flying overhead with loud C-140s was enough of a nuisance (and triggering sound for many, I bet) without a deadly crash.

[@DrOlds7298]

The Germans were actually quite welcoming of the Americans,especially in this era. It was then,and even to this present day at their insistence that the Americans aboard were/are honored. And this also pertains to several other Accidents,Disasters & Terrorist Bombings involving US Military personnel & their families thru the years.

[@Ilikefinalfantasy795]

Rip❤

[@bobwilson758]

There I was , with plenty of altitude above me …

[@jonathanvanessen5438]

You should cover the 1987 Edmonton tornado

[@hadrianwall9157]

Jesus... Fred looked about 50. I thought he was a teacher until I read his little bio.

[@50sRockChick]

Same.

[@SpinningSidekick]

So, the takeaway here is: don't be late for dance class

[@johntaylorson7769]

A great video and a disaster that yes, I'd never heard of. As usual you give a detailed and respectful account, without sensationalism. Also, thanks for using actually photography of the time and not flooding your videos with that awful AI generated stuff, which I find tawdry and disrespectful.

[@missasinenomine]

3:47 The top of the spire of Pauluskirche, St Paul's Church, was 97 metres high. There must have been something very seriously wrong with BOTH engines if, after only 5 minutes??, after takeoff, the aircraft had ascended to only 320'. The fact that there was dense fog might have made the pilot reluctant to begin his descent into Riem Flughaven until he was sure that he had cleared the city centre. This also implies that he had flown over Munich at little more than 320' (!) In addition to the maximum fuel loading, there seems to be some other unanswered questions here. I flew into Riem in 1991, before the new airport opened a year later.

[@DrOlds7298]

It's been thought that he'd actually 'lost' the one engine first due to icing,then either lost the other one as well due to either icing,or overspeeding/overstressing the second engine.

[@missasinenomine]

@@DrOlds7298 Lost the engine due to icing? You mean, there was water/ice in the fuel line? Surely the pilot would have started & warmed up both engines before takeoff, as is stipulated? According to the map, he flew north from Riem, then curved westwards, & south, to begin his descent eastwards into Riem, which of course, never happened. I still don't understand why the aircraft was so low over Munich city centre, unless, as you say, BOTH engines had failed/were failing. Despite (ironically) the maximum fuel load. I still feel that pilot error was at least partly responsible for this crash, as well as mechanical problems. Another point is, that it might have been possible to make an emergency landing at Oberschleissheim airdrome, just north of Munich. The plane probably flew over the airstrip in any case. Sad.

[@MrRhoobarb1]

Any reason why he didn't loop back clockwise, toward Aschheim, away from the heavily populated city?

[@suomenpresidentti]

Never heard of that N.Y. Disaster... Even though I have extensively watched air crash stuff for years and years. Have to check it out.

[@CHIPSSALTY]

Now I understand why most major airports are built far away from the downtown cores. It wasn't just because land are expensive.

[@mysterycrumble]

what a well made made, respectful and poignant episode. thank you for including the happy ending for one of the survivors. brlliant production.

[@alexanderdukeler3948]

This was a tragedy that I was unfamiliar with. Thank you Raven for bringing it to people’s attention. The usual brilliant effort.

[@starry53]

So there's another Munich Air Disaster besides the one we familiar Munich Air Disaster involved with the Manchester United soccer team. However, that disaster may be forgotten but that was the worst Munich Air Disaster that I've ever heard.

[@maskedsonja5722]

I love how you find these cases that arent the "well known ones"-Im stunned I had never heard of this. Thank you for the research and fantastic work you put into videos-it is so appreciated :)

[@mauricedavis2160]

Thank you Sir for an excellent episode of a horrendous tragedy unknown to most!!!🙏😢✈️❣️

[@admiralbenbow5083]

You are right. I had never heard about this one.

[@DarkSitesChannel]

Good video, hope the wild fires in Portugal aren't affecting you.

[@theravenseye9443]

Thanks - good luck with the new channel.

[@HersheyBARZ_]

Wonderful done as usual! I wonder if the next air disaster you cover will be the New York collision the day before ^This incident took place. Ty for ending with a positive note from the survivor, that was good to hear.

[@brianmuhlingBUM]

Well done! Good, clear, well spoken narration and great that there is no annoying back ground FX or music to distract the narrative. 😊

[@british.scorpion]

Thank you for bringing this to light, so long hidden in the shadow of the other Munich disaster, and with a happy ending, well done.👍

[@jerrymarlow5453]

What a terrible disaster. I'm usually up on most commercial crashes, but this acurred the year I was born.

[@JXC25]

You never disappoint, thank you for supplying such great videos.

[@ThomasDickensheets]

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