The Fowler Tenders (A Railway Series and Thomas and Friends’ topic discussion)

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

Finally finished it! YESSSS! Here’s the discord for those interested: discord.gg/5SgqUwRV

[@Connortheexpressengine]

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[@MikeNike-my7bw]

Good job

[@MikeNike-my7bw]

What music/theme did you use at the start of 6:02?

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

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[@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024]

@@ScorchZaneTrains8:06 this is one of the reasons why I decided to change Hiro, Hank, Connor and Caitlin’s designs in my au Since I mentioned Hiro, Conner and Caitlin to you earlier, I’ll just tell you that Hank’s an LNER O7 in my au

[@dylanlyles9453]

I don't mind Edward and James having Fowler tenders, and I like your idea for Gordon and Henry's tenders

[@WanderleyProductions60533]

4:15Well, I guess that henry will be very cursed with a fowler tender. 5:12 But gordon with a stanier tender.... That IS lovely.

[@Lookoutforthetrain2010]

In my headcanon during the time where Henry was at crew after his crash the LMS who ran the trains to the island thanks to the agreement the LMS sent a black five tender to the island and it would be used for Gordon…

[@berkshire4607]

In my au, Edward and Gordon were immediately given a Fowler Tender once they arrived on the railway (Gordon's Fowler Tender was increased in size). As for Henry, he originally had a corridor tender, but it was damaged in the crash, and Henry was given a tender used by several classes of LMS engines, including the LMS Stanier 4-6-0 Black 5s, which he still has today. As for the corridor tender, it, just like Gordon's, was turned into a water tender. Finally, James' tender that he had on the LMS (he arrived in 1928 in my au) was kept until his crash in 1934, where it was destroyed beyond repair or even recognition, and it was replaced by a Fowler Tender

[@jaanshersaeed4541]

Wasn’t thinking about the other big tender engines in the show with larger tenders (Murdoch Neville Hank and Hiro) but I guess later on Sir Topham Hatt would be like “eh screw it they can keep their tenders and I don’t wanna bother with getting replacements as it’s too time consuming and they’re already there” and he wouldn’t need to replace every tender type while with Spencer Connor and Caitlin as they’re already on the Mainland and not NWR-owned this wouldn’t apply to them and it’s much bigger there anyways.

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

Thank god the tvs changed the desgin of Gordon's tender

[@westinbridges7321]

In my alternate Sodor universe, the only engine who has a Fowler Tender (at least currently, I've only done up to the first 7, maybe 8, books) is Edward. He was given a Fowler tender after his exploit in 1965. While he was being rebuilt, he got the LMS Fowler tender (which taken from an already withdrawn LMS Fowler 4F) to replace his original one (in my head AU, Edward is a Furness 120/K1 class), which at this point was almost completely worn out. As for Henry, Gordon, and James: Henry is a pure Black 5 in my AU (so he keeps his Black 5 tender with the rest of his Black 5 components), Gordon was sent back to Doncaster to receive LNER A3 modifications at some point after January 1947 (so he got the LNER group standard 6-wheeled tender), and James (being a G&SWR 403 in my AU), keeps his original G&SWR tender. I may update this comment later on, but for now, this is where the tender engines currently stand in my AU.

[@Alex-v7y9p]

I like here peoples au's :)

[@LBSC70]

In the books and show Gordon's Fowler/maunsell styled tender is comparably bigger in size that Edward or James' tender

[@delticproductions]

In my AU, Sodor is jointly owned by the LMS (not that different from the S&DJR). Tenders, therefore, were commissioned by the LMS, and the Sudrian region of LMS were presented with Fowler tenders. Sodor was a small island and most tender engines on the line at this point were mostly 0-6-0s, such as 4Fs. Later on though these tenders were fazed out by Stanier tenders and later some BR tenders. Also yes this means that in my headcanon, Sodor is under BR and is victim to the modernisation plan. Only a lucky handful of engines were saved for preservation.

[@monarchvh8593]

I like to think Edward and James were given fowlers for longer trips and to stop less frequently on the mainline. Gordon and Henry already got larger tenders so they didn’t need fowlers, and when Donald and Douglas joined the railway, BR didn’t have many fowlers as for spares due to them being mostly used as storage or being scrapped

[@lennyzagara4600]

Personally it’s extremely simple for me both Edward & James have Fowler tenders simple. As for Henry he has a Stanier tender also simple. In my head canon (my favorite character) Gordon is an A3 basically what the Unlucky Tug did with one minor difference but yeah my version of Gordon is an A3 with a Group Standard tender easy.

[@ARandomThomasFan]

I’d say they’re custom built tenders or something, sort of as a mark of distinction from other railways (despite similar tenders existing)

[@tjmfarming9584]

I've found not only does the physical size for a tender such as the fowler and Maunsell tenders play a role, but also the height and width of the footplate for such tenders can make it fit, look dinky, or in some instances with little 2-6-0, 4-4-0, and 0-6-0's with low footplates, make the engine look as though it's got a turtle shell on its back. Hence why when I make head canons for my fictional lines in Trainz, I set it up so that when it comes time to set a standard tender, I pick out 2 or 3 I like with the same footplate height and capacity etc and put it behind the locos with that footplate height. if that particular tender fits all the locos, I test it with, it goes through to the next round, so on and so forth until I find a tender that suits these engines as standard. After which I'd go and reskin that tender or loco accordingly to suit the livery I'm after. E.g. Running a M&SWJR 2-6-0 with a GER Holden 2640-gallon tender, or a Gresley D49 with the tender off a Highland Clan class.

[@RicardoGaming09]

My takes on edward, henry, gordon, james, Donald/Douglas' tenders Edward: LMS Fowler tender- he got it after Rescuing james his old one was scrapped Henry- LMS 4000 Stanier tender- he got it after his final rebuild by Stanier Gordon- LNER Peperccon tender- he got it after his Peperccon rebuild James- SR Maunsell tender- he got after the war (the second one) Donald/Douglas- CR tender- they got it when they were built

[@archermania9314]

I think engines who are given fowler tenders on the NWR are engines who got modified either on sodor or while they were bought on sodor. Which explains why Henry never received a fowler tender until his rebuild at crewe. Or why instead if repairing James tender the just gave him a fowler one.

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

7:11 we finally found The real Old Shape Henry

[@SabhiyaAnsari-f3w]

I really agree that sodor is small island that the NWR don't need bigger tenders due to because the mainline short distance that's why engines in the north western railway would allow them to wear fowler tenders

[@marcust5327]

they leave a fouler taste in my mouth

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

oh damn nice

[@johnathonmcjohn3]

*i see what you did there*

[@therailwaymen2203]

8:23 The NWR is pretty accident prone, if the tender Gordon came with got damaged, it would be a bit harder to repair, my guess is that they created their own tenders in the Fowler tender style, (since both Edward and James both had Fowler tenders) this would probably fix the issue with the tenders being too short. Henry’s tender could have been an experiment, its result were mostly positive, but the NWR never got around to change every single tender engines’ tender When all those newer, bigger engine came along, the North Western probably had a lot more money, which is why they never bothered to change the tenders from then on out, that would explain why Henry’s tender still hasn’t changed much even after the newer engines came to Sodor.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@therailwaymen2203 honestly love the idea you presented.

[@Allosaurus-Productions]

I like to think in my head cannon that they keep their original tenders, let’s say Gordon had the tender or tenders used on the a1 form of great northern and other A1s and A3s, the only change I would make is that Edward would have a maunsell tender

[@keldeostudies149]

My idea of the fowler tender is that their simply backup tenders. Lemme explain... The fowler tenders are a back up for in a tender engine is damaged or involved in a accident where the tender engine is lightly damage but the tender engine is heavily damage, this is why sir topham hatt brought a few spare fowler tenders from the scrapyard during the early days of dieselization. This is where the 6 "lovely" tenders originally came from and why they look run down, they weren't in use yet and in my head cannon series three of the fowler tenders are painted and have 2, 9, and 10 which are made for edward, donald, and Douglas if they ever have a accident, donald would even receive one in my rough adaption of twin troubles after his accident at the start of the episode In a way it's like a wheelchair, a cast, or a prosthetic arm for engines and it's even more truer to the point sense the engines in question using them are given lighter work (in the early days) either from the fowler tender or it was because of the tender engine accident after math. For a time the tender engines would say it was like wearing a cast, they couldn't do as much work in the early days because how the tenders were pretty much patched together and not properly maintain due to sodor adapting to mordenization and the now rising expense to repair engines let alone a single tender out of the tons sir topham hatt brought A engine couldn't do as much work and the time they need a tender one or maybe at rare times two of them were being worked on or finished but in use so they had to use one of the spare tenders from the yard itself... "Oh man it itches!" One would say "it's very clunky and cumbersome" said another "I rather wait on the sidelines then go another inch with this tender!" He would continued Some ghost stories would be spread on the tenders being haunted as a nodding reference the creepy fan story "six lovely tenders" but its not true only a silly story made to scare the daylights out of people and engines Over the years and some decades and the more money sir topham hatt gain he managed to earn enough money to repair the tenders at a much faster rate things to a collab with the sodor ironworks, now the tenders were fully restored and no engine would complain about them and they could do any work they would do without much issue or complaint... well not much anyway~ "This tender looks so dinky on me...?!" Said Murdock

[@Alex-v7y9p]

in my au, Edward is a Lner d40 and does have a Fowler tender, but only after Old Iron happens. And James also has a Fowler tender after being repaired after his first day crash. But in my au, Henry and Gordon both have Stanier Tenders, Henry has one cuz of his rebuild, and Gordon has one cuz of him getting his Stanier cylinders and motion, and he needed a new tender instead of the old Gnr one, so he got a Stanier tender.

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

Edward should have a Fowler tender after The Flying kipper happens

[@BlockedUser420]

I always imagined the engines would've kept their original tenders like gordon would've kept his GNR gresley tender instead of using a fowler or stannier tender, james keeps his L&YR hughes tender, etc. However henry does change tender as he was completely rebuilt into a Black 5.

[@SouthernMaineFoamer]

I feel like the Fowler tender could work on James and maybe Edward, but at the same time I personally think they’re original tenders work just fine for their work in Sodor. I don’t know that much about tenders enough to decide what to give Henry if he was an Atlantic so I’m just gonna not break my brain and keep Henry with a Stanier tender for his rebuild. Gordon on the other hand, didn’t get a proper Doncaster rebuild, and so got LMS futures. In my AU he came out either similar to a Princess Royal or similar to a Coronation without streaming while still keeping his Doncaster roots, new LMS oval buffers, and a Stanier tender. That’s of course going by my main version of the RWS, I’ve got a few other versions but to keep things simple that’s my main one.

[@elygennari4435]

The reason why we later see tender engines with big tenders is because they are visitors.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

Then Henry shouldn’t be on Sodor then going by that logic

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

​@@ScorchZaneTrainstbh i hate that logic in the rws

[@TaG.189]

I personally like the fact that the tvs used bigger tenders for gordon and henry, more coal and water for multiple journeys after all sodor isnt that big that it needs it's engines to fuel at each station so the engine doesnt risk running dry, you could fuel up at the top station do two journeys or so and then refuel for the next ones, also i personally like idea of gordon having a unrebulit stanier tender.

[@jaanshersaeed4541]

Huh, guess it’s possible Payne based the tenders of the Maunsell tenders but I wonder why Henry had a full block for a tender instead of one as well but lets look back; After William Middleton, there was Payne who illustrated book 2 published in 1946 and then Dalby who published books 3 in 1948 and 4 (where Henry did have a Fowler tender this time) in 1949 where he used the designs of Payne. In books 2 and 3 Henry did not appear fully yet and was obscured more in the sheds while Edward Gordon and James appeared fully. Dalby was then commissioned to re-illustrate both books TTTE in 1950 and TTRE in 1949 with Henry fully appearing and as Dalby was just redoing the illustrations of Middleton’s work he figured as Henry had a regular block tender there he’d still be illustrated with one and it’s also possible as there were already issues with Henry looking almost exactly like Gordon Dalby figured a different tender design could be something to at least help there be slightly less confusion.

[@MSCPictures64]

Well I prefer Henry with a Stanier tender, because it’s the right size for him, and he also has one in my headcannon too, and may I ask you this, when are you going to get back to Your ideal videos? (I hadn’t seen you make one of these since February)

[@FlyingFoxProductions8995]

Honestly James and Edward have Maunsell tenders, Gordon has the 4000 gallon tender and Henry has a normal black 5 tender

[@bennickss]

Stanier 4000 gallon tender, not "a normal black 5 tender"

[@FNAFANDHAZBINHOTEL]

I think James’s original L&YR tender would of gotten completely totalled in his crash in the illustration of Thomas and the breakdown train James’s tender frames were bent out of shape and it was left behind at the site of the crash so the fowler tender would of been a better choice to make it more stronger and the fire from James’s wooden brake blocks would of burned it slightly

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@FNAFANDHAZBINHOTEL Honeslty makes sense

[@Gojiller202]

If I’m being completely honest, Edward and James benefit for having Fowler tenders, but I’m with the unlucky tug here when I say the tenders look very small for an A1 and a (rebuilt) black 5

[@DennisLora2001]

I'm impressed with this one well done Scorch 1:00

[@FictionalADDON]

Donald and Douglas also gained Fowler tenders in the RWS. To me I don’t think they’re compatible with larger engines.

[@mrjollyschoctanker3926]

8:18 when Sir Topham hat bought them they had their big tenders and it wouldn't make sense just to change it since it would be a waste of money. Not only that engines might need bigger tender for more coal and water incase they take in more fuel since they are bigger and/or heavy freight or passenger engines

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

honestly good point I actually agree

[@slowcoachstudios_2021]

How I see it for the TVs, Murdoch, Hank and Hiro are like heavy haulers so they would need more fuel to account for the weight of their fright. And Neville’s tender is big, but it is also stubby in length, meaning it would fit the needs of his work. With Conner and Caitlin, seeing as they are American built, it would look really weird if the crew slapped a Fowler tender on them and since they’re American, they may not be able to use English tenders due to their size with out major modifications.

[@sunnygappy9717]

7:57 Fuel consumption yeah Some are eater some not

[@ryanlee5512]

I personally follow the headcanon made by RhysBDavies is that Gordon and Henry uses the SUPER fowler tenders aka 4000 gallons version as its bigger and fits their heights, conveniently there were 2 of them and they were scrapped in 1935 (the same year of the kipper crash).

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

custom built variants of the Fowler tenders, interesting

[@newobanproductions]

@@ScorchZaneTrains There were also high-sided Fowler tenders which have the outline of the Stanier tenders we all know and love. And you couldn't think the Fowler tenders couldn't get any stranger.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

American tenders: are we jokes to you?

[@RavenandCandleDude]

Gordon has a Fowler Tender in my AU And so do James and Donald But Edward Henry and Douglas don't

[@ryleeculla5570]

Railway series Edward is just a K2 with a raised boiler

[@Pacific_Western_co.1912]

1:29 Hey that's one of my friends over there!

[@ZainsTrains]

I believe that since Gordon’s an experimental engine by the LNER. The LNER gave him an experimental tender. Later at crewe since they’re a scrapyard they took an old tender off a scrap engine and put it on Gordon. Scrap engine in question? An LNER B1 class engine. This engine caused mayhem on the LNER until, in 1930 Harvley ( not a typo that’s literally the name 😂, btw is the scrap engine ) crashed two female teak coaches into Doncaster works at 45 MPH. Both coaches died leaving the D16 (Liam) in depression. Liam was later sold for scrap in 1956. So Gordon’s tender was an experimental now a B1, Henry was his experimental one now stanier black 5 one, and James & Edward have Fowler tenders. That’s my head canon. (Sorry for the long story 😅)

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@ZainsTrains interesting explaination makes sense to give him an experimental tender

[@Leostrains3561]

So I do have a headcannon for this and it goes like this. If the engine is small or medium say for example Edward and pulls shorter trains than it doesn't need a tender that's massive but for engines that are larger like Hank and pull larger trains than they do need larger tenders. Now this explanation does have holes like why does Neville have a bigger tender? Also obviously this is just my headcannon.

[@FictionalADDON]

A Fowler tender for Henry to me is a bit off because I seen a LMS Jubilee class with said Fowler tender and it fits. Also could you do a topic about Henry being a Stanier Black 5 or a Jubilee.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@FictionalADDON oh hell yeah imma do that

[@TheSudrianTerrier653]

1:28 *YOOOOOOO!!!** *THATS ME*

[@sdmedia1323]

Honestly, I don't think it's a far stretch to say that the NWR actually built its own tenders, alongside engines because I refuse to believe that they made it through both wars and BR without building a single design of their own.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

yeah I’m gonna agree it would make sense they made their own tenders

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

Hey can the fowler tenders work For the b12s B16s Lner k1s And the b4s

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

idk, I recommend getting any drawings of those classes put them into an editing software, slap the Fowler style behind them and see how I would go.

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

Can the maunsell tender work on Gordon and henry

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

I mean sort of can

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

​@@ScorchZaneTrains in my universe Gordon's tender is a hybrid of lner group standard tender and mansuell tender but resembles a fowler tender

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 oh nice

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

@@ScorchZaneTrains also his tender (which is in its tvs design) looks bigger than James and Edwards tenders

[@SomeGuynamedOtto]

Hooray!

[@marcus-u6t]

Nice

[@jonathanperez2320]

You have to use a b1 tender or green arrow tender to make it the perfect height

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@jonathanperez2320 i mean works too

[@ryleeculla5570]

Dinky? DINKY MORE LIKE UN DIGNIFIED

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@ryleeculla5570 damn nice joke

[@ryleeculla5570]

@@ScorchZaneTrainsI meant it genuinely but eh you can call it by that

[@jonathantheexperimentalengine]

no furnest railway edward tender?

[@Boojackp]

Here is what I think So first let me just say that Henry has his black 5 tender so he wont be included But for the others, I dont think they have tenders from other railways, but ones built by the NWR So they would have 2 tender types, the first is Gordon's tender, and the second is what James and Edward have I think this because well, I dont feel that the engine's tenders really look like the fowler tenders, they look too short, or for Gordon, too big

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

hmmm interesting assessment

[@greenturtlgaming2554]

You forgot to point out the fact that Gordon’s tender is larger than an actual Fowler tender.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@greenturtlgaming2554 well real life that wouldn’t be the case so there’s that

[@greenturtlgaming2554]

@@ScorchZaneTrains True. BTW: Idea for next video: Basis of faceless road vehicles. I narrowed down STH’s car in Season 1 to be a Rover P3.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@greenturtlgaming2554 good idea but I mostly interested on rails (but I can try)

[@greenturtlgaming2554]

@@ScorchZaneTrains Thank you.

[@Joe-guy-jack]

If the flowler tender is far to small than just resized it

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@Joe-guy-jack or maybe have other tenders on Sodor, there.

[@colinlayton9114]

This is a little question. What is your thought on the half engine and its adaptations? I just wanted to know.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@colinlayton9114 honestly not a bad idea, it’s actually an interesting idea there is one adaptation I remember that was really well done (I believe one by the user “bogie” because he went all out with his adaptation of the creepy story. However the others feel like they were very toned down)

[@colinlayton9114]

@@ScorchZaneTrains Glad to give you an idea buddy.

[@TheSudrianGrace]

i headcanon that henrys full name would be henry stanier fouler gresly yes he has 2 middle names

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

hmmm interesting

[@BrentSudric]

With digital scaling, I try to line up the buffers of both images to be as accurate as possible.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

tbh I more or less try to line with the wheels but not a bad idea tbh

[@BANANAsuit231_eggs]

Henry didn’t have a Fowler tender, he had a normal lms tender

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@BANANAsuit231_eggs the illustrations spoke otherwise (I know some of the illustrations are inaccurate, but I don’t fully take it 100% at face value, due to Awdry justifying Henry looking similar to Gordon.)

[@BANANAsuit231_eggs]

@@ScorchZaneTrains reasonable explanation

[@Keaness]

Henry’s tender isn’t even a fowler one, following his rebuild into a black 5 he’s drawn with the right type of tender. I’d say it’s a bit more hard to notice at some angles though. In the later books I’d boil it down to illustration differences.

[@MiguelCortez-z2s]

Good good

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

My james is an lms 4f so he uses a fowler tender

[@dappertrains]

Ngl for me IDC which tender is for who, the tenders are fine atleast if it’s not on a tank engine with coal bunker WITH A TENDER. if it’s a tender it’s a tender for a tender engine (my opinion)

[@pootispow0]

8:20 and how would a fowler tender even be attached to murdoch

[@ryleeculla5570]

Are you sure that the NWR didn’t just modify their fouler tenders the railway is pretty small for a A3 an a black 5 so they wouldn’t need to have their normal tenders you see in real life that would be a pit overkill

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@ryleeculla5570 there’s no information that suggest that in the offical lore, tho it does make for a good head canon or I guess Alternate Universe

[@ryleeculla5570]

@@ScorchZaneTrains still it’s an idea Gordon was given modifications Edward Henry (Henry isn’t a black five he’s just built like one)

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@ryleeculla5570 then again so was any other engine, James and even Thomas. (Ok so doesn’t stop me from using it for Henry)

[@julyleonard]

What year was the Fowler tender introduced?

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@julyleonard I’d say since 1911

[@julyleonard]

@@ScorchZaneTrains Fair enough.

[@Pro_gamer236]

My gordon uses a corridor tender and my henry use his black five tender and edward and james keep they original tender

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

Gordon does not use a corridor tender nowadays. your Gordon should use a group standard tender and Edward and James should have fowler tenders

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

​@@Pro_gamer236 that looks weird because Gordon with a Corridor tender looks 100% and A1/A3 and James and Edward with their original tenders look 100% a l&YR Class 28 and a furness railway k2, SO i think Gordon James and Edward should use A fowler tenders. And Henry has a 4000 Gallon Stanier tender

[@Pro_gamer236]

@@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z i know that just so used to them like because when I did drawing of them first time I got so used of them looking like that why I drawn them like that

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

​@@Thethreerailwayengines-r2zfowler tender for Gordon is small

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

​@@Pro_gamer236 i think Gordon does not have fowler tenders nor corridor tenders, i think Gordon fits with a group standard tender because in My alternate sodor universe James and Edward have Fowler tenders and My take On Gordon's tender Is the group standard tender in 1939 Gordon had a rebuilt and His tender was replaced with a group standard tender because he couldn't need an 8 wheels corridor tender and please your drawing replaced gordon's tender with a group standard tender and replaced Edward and James's tenders with Maunsell tenders

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

5:15 i don't think Gordon looks good with a stanier tender, he has a Group Standard LNER Tender or a V2 tender

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z In canon (at least.. according to the official IOS Book it was said he was somehow fitted with a Fowler tender. Like it or not he would’ve been given one or the other at Crewe.) But yeah he’s better off having an LNER style tender either Corridor or Group Stnadard

[@shinythomas8856]

Scorch, About One Of My Comments, Scorch, You Know That Comment That Said That Henry was Rebuilt in 1935, Not 1992, Well He Got A Double Chimney In 1992 So Yea

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@shinythomas8856 well I’m at least you acknowledge it. Otherwise I didn’t know he got a double chimney in 1992.

[@shinythomas8856]

Thx 😊

[@Swag_K1RBY]

I thought Henry had the actual black 5 tender???

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

In christoper’s books and even in later Wilbert books, he was later illustrated with a Fowler Tender.

[@Keaness]

@@ScorchZaneTrains I think for Clive’s illustrations it’s due to inconsistency. As his tender style switches often (like how Thomas had the running board dip in some illustrations). And Edwards illustrations are more about the angle. You look at the lining, overall it’s less exaggerated in some illustrations.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@Keanessthen again Awdry did justify a few illustrations

[@mattevans4377]

Let's be honest, the illustrations are really inconsistent (even with the illustrations used in this image), and we have no clue what their actual tenders are.

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

well it didn’t stop Awdry from justifying some. (I might make a on video in the illustrations topic one day, but idk)

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

Can a b16 wore a b12 tender

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 maybe

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

@@ScorchZaneTrains is there a picture of that

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 idk you tell me you’re one with the idea

[@chavopatyfanstudios2005]

@@ScorchZaneTrains well you used one when you made your alfred is not 98462 video

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I don’t recall doing that (I only recall using A1 Henry with the B16 tender)

[@andreiemanueltudose2445]

To be honest i don't really care about engines tenders how they look to be honest

[@Dominic_812]

Personally I prefer Edward and James to have there original tenders as well as Gordon and Henry because I never liked the Fowler tender look and thought they looked to cartoonish.

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

I prefer Edward and James to have Maunsell tenders because they fowler tenders look to standard gauge

[@jgfm8330]

Can you shoutout me in your next episode

[@E2TankengineFr]

Never gonna give you up Never gonna Let you down

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

#SecondHandGNRTender

[@elygennari4435]

Gordon with a black 5 tender looks ugly. The v1 tender suits him a bit more.

[@Thethreerailwayengines-r2z]

The Stanier tender looks good behind tender a little bit*

[@BombyJoinedDaFight]

I’m fine the fowler tenders.. why are ppl making such a big deal about it.. like my god y’all are overreacting..

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

Ok doesn’t mean I like them, and I do have one reason. When I was making my Alternate Universe some of my takes on characters (like on Gordon or even Edward) don’t have Fowler tenders, there one user who bothering me a lot about whether my ideal tender engine characters do get Fowler tenders. Which is frustrating because I made it clear in my AU not every engine aside from my ideal Henry MK2 won’t have Fowler tenders.) Well it’s not overreacting when others have perspective (unless they don’t give a reason for why, or are overplaying one aspect.) besides how am I overreacting

[@BombyJoinedDaFight]

@@ScorchZaneTrains You made a whole ass video where you talk only about the fowler tenders 💀

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@BombyJoinedDaFight so I’m not allowed to speak topics or anything in my videos? Not even calmly? Tbh this argument is kinda weak, because this same comment can apply to any Thomas video as a whole. Like whether Topham is right or not in a certain film… or if this film was horrible or not.

[@BombyJoinedDaFight]

@@ScorchZaneTrains wait we were arguing? And even if we were we’re just arguing over tenders of all things so what’s the big deal 🤦‍♂️

[@ScorchZaneTrains]

@@BombyJoinedDaFight you tell me you said “I’m overreacting”. Yet… I didn’t even shout or speak like a rang a tang… Like… allow me to ask you again… how is me talking about something or sharing my opinion is considered overreacting? And nothing I’m not saying it’s a big deal I’m just speaking for my perception, you’re speaking like I’m not allowed to share my point of view. Honestly you’re sounding like your getting defensive by saying “I’m over reacting”, that’s what I can argue with you.