The Fun Car That Proved Cheap Doesn’t Mean Boring!

[@IdealMediaChannel]

WE BOUGHT THE CHEAPEST BROKEN FRS IN THE NATION 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4DGaZ16r5yBZtk *What ideal car would you like us to feature next on the Death Of A Legend series?!* See you next week!

[@elipinson4374]

Maybe the Pontiac Firebird. It had an amazing amount of power and a great history... until it happened

[@973Gear]

If the name "Toyota 86" ends up in a EV family crossover SUV, *I'm forced to look the other way. I am not buying their brand anymore.*

[@abcwarrior91]

It doesn't matter your grandma will LOL. We are in the minority, which won't matter much to Toyota's profit.

[@Mainesteps]

They’ll probably make a e80 ev if anything.

[@derHallen_Ch.]

nah, they're shoving a GR Yaris engine into it for the next gen. It's a rally spec repurposed to be street legal. Gonna make the 86 closer to the original corolla but no clue how the BRZ's gonna go forward.

[@JeffFord-ft4be]

Kinda like the Mitsubishi eclipse

[@eugenux]

toyota still fights for real drivers cars; but, it will be getting harder and harder with all the EV push. If we want this type of vehicles, we need to show our support by keep buying them and keep asking for them; as long as there is a market, toyota will figure it out; if there will not be a market, they will stop as well. So, buy that gr86, that future mr2, that future celica, that gr corolla, that fabulously epic gr yaris and even the supra; buy them manual to tell them we still like and enjoy real driving.

[@stevef3521]

Rumor has it that Toyota will be parting ways with Subaru on this platform. Time will tell. Also, people saying this car is slow and unreliable - It wasn’t made for going fast in a straight line. It’s an absolute blast to drive on curvy roads. First gen owner with 158k miles.

[@Whois6eorge]

How has your car held up over those 158k miles? I have almost 80k on my 1st gen so i was just curious.

[@NapalmPineapple]

@@Whois6eorgeIt’s a very good engine as long you have healthy oil. I know plenty of gentleman with over 100k miles and track use.

[@Whois6eorge]

@@NapalmPineapple thanks for the info, I greatly appreciate it. I plan on taking my frs on its first track day this year

[@NapalmPineapple]

@@Whois6eorge I’ve done a couple track days with mine. I’d suggest, that if you’re going to get going often, invest in an oil cooler. At the very least prior to your track day, switch to a heavier oil like 5w-30. That’s what is recommended in the service manual for “hard use”. Then Just monitor oil temps and pressure through your day.

[@adriansaavedra3050]

I think Subaru will still sell with boxer but Toyota might put something else.

[@nerdicusx]

I love my BRZ

[@brandoncofrancisco789]

so... car isn't dead, nor have toyota or subaru said there are plans to kill it. but you had to get those sweet, sweet clicks, so you just said "it may not be dead, but trust me. it will be." and son of a bitch, it worked. here I am. that'll be the last click you get from me though.

[@coreyaldridge1753]

Yea I'm a little confused because I just saw a thumbnail for another video they did before this, actually two of them, bashing the 86

[@scottersandman6408]

MIATA

[@ozzydior]

Why are u so mad bro 😭 it was a well made video, very informative and entertaining to watch.

[@brandoncofrancisco789]

@@ozzydior mad? Not. But how do you not see the point? It’s a sensationalist headline that has no basis in fact.

[@ozzydior]

@@brandoncofrancisco789 I see the point bro but it's not that big of a deal. If the video was poorly made, then I'd understand

[@andrewgriffin7271]

As long as Subaru keeps the BRZ as it is I will be happy. Love mine.

[@ScreamyBean42]

IMO: the car is near perfect, the only issues is the oil pan and RTV. I don’t understand why “car guys” want more power. If you want more power, get a more expensive car then. Don’t expect to only pay $30k for a 600hp+ car. It’s a SPORTS car not a SUPER car

[@frtard]

the torque dip is real buddy. that shit is inexcusable and it's perfectly reasonable to despise it.

[@jackmason9550]

I get what you're saying, and it might not be the case for you and there's nothing wrong with that, but there is an entire culture built on taking factory cars and "tuning" them. Lots of people like to take cars and modify them to do all sorts of things they weren't originally designed to do. In some cases it's modifying the car to drift. In other cases it's to climb mountains, or crawl over boulders, or to look a certain way, or to bounce up and down until the suspension breaks, or to pull things, or to crash it into other cars as many times as possible until your car is the only car still running, and yes, part of a lot of achieving a lot of those things may include making the car produce more power to do what you want to do with it. For those people, experimenting with and modifying the car is half the fun in and of itself. For someone who isn't into that, sure, it makes sense to say "just go buy a more expensive car that already has more power" but that's not everyone. Often, it's also a form of self-expression using the car, the same way an oil painting is a form of self-expression for an artist. If you aren't an artist, putting all that effort into painting a landscape might seem silly when you can just take a picture of it with your iPhone, but there's more to it for the artist than just capturing the image. It isn't about taking in the image, it's about putting out the image of what the artist sees so that others can see it the way the artist sees it. Modifying a car to have more power isn't just about having a car with more power. It's about seeing what you can do with THAT car if it had more power, and combining that with any number of other modifications, in order to take something that anyone can just buy off the lot, and using those combinations of things to make it into something unique and special- a vision of a car the way THEY see it, and which can't simply be bought off a lot anywhere.

[@Teleios15013]

If they want more power they can put on a turbo or supercharger easy

[@jawadranjha6083]

Just 6 days ago you gave us 15 minutes lecture about convincing us not to buy 86 🙄🙄 wtf happened to this channel

[@pyrobocaj08]

Same

[@marianojrivera8101]

Only went for the base because of less features and better interior in terms of lasting a little bit longer and little tougher. Went and bought the 2023 because the 2024 would come with more sensors and other features I don't need in its MT variant. Sounds like I made the right choice for my style before it was gone.

[@mattbot913]

The fact that they knew I was eating breakfast 😂

[@wildsword6856]

This got to be April fools

[@TimPenny-k4h]

Came here to say that

[@newbbeginnings5630]

Little late for April fools

[@takcleberry]

Yeah on April 4

[@fat420cracker]

Its true. However rumor is the next GR86 will debut in 2028 featuring a 1.4 liter or 1.6 liter turbocharged hybrid engine

[@eugenux]

@@fat420crackerppl keep saying that but it would be strange to have the *exact* same engine in 5 different vehicles(GR corolla, GR Yaris, future MR2, future celica(if it gets the go ahead) and next gen '86); for me, it looks like to many of the same, even though celica would be fwd and awd, mr2 would be rwd; for me, it all makes sense if they give up on the GR yaris and produce on the same platform the celica(wrc?!) but, at the same(-ish) price point and have the MR2 as a cayman competitor(aka, cheapest mid-engine sports car); they would need to leave the next gen gr86 n/a as it has little to zero sense to have an mr2 and a gr86 with the same engine but different engine position; in my opinion, the best platform segmentation would be: - put this engine in next gen corolla GR and make it a fastback or a liftback sedan(or a hothatch for that matter) - AWD family performance - change the body design of the GR yaris and transform it in a GR celica(hatchback-o-coupe like in the late 80s, early 90s) - AWD wrc for the road - mid engined MR2 - RWD real sports car at base cayman price point - front engined GR86 - RWD real sports car for the regular Joe; the problem with the GR86 is that they cannot go beyond a price point..as then they will compete themselves with themselves..which would do them a disservice; sure, more options for us but not a thing that's good for business for a car manufacturer. Future will tell but I really do hope for a mild hybrid, rwd, manual, light, small gr86 at 35k...as 40-50k would be the future GR corolla and celica, while the MR2 would be at around 65-70k; too much, if you ask me, as they have the 6cl supra to fit in in the 60k+ sports car category.(they should also drop the 2.0 supra, as that is just a waste of car material) cheers!

[@pastperformance2285]

My, my, my, that’s a crisp car. I owned one in the 90’s, maybe it’s time for a newlook!

[@IdealMediaChannel]

I think I may have road in that one!

[@mabuchipchunga2400]

Was planning to make this my first new car

[@shawnradke]

same bruv

[@IdealMediaChannel]

Do it you won't regret it! See the one we just bought! 👉

[@Definitely_gaige]

Get a 350 or a g35 that’s not clapped out

[@shamsaddinamanov3879]

exactly, me too, sad

[@louisarius9672]

@@Definitely_gaige Dude, keyword "first NEW car".

[@LOLA6ifyable]

It's a shame that the GR86 will have shorter lifespan as is than the GT86.. thanks Eu / US regulations and Musk... Hope we see a 3rd Gen , currently on my 2020 BRZ , love it! it has slightly shorter gear ratio so it is a bit less slow.

[@abcwarrior91]

I actually prefer that (I have one😀) because it makes the car more special and rarer than the GT86, which is just too common. I see them more on the road than I see pruis lol

[@peterparker3668]

Actually the 17+ come with a bigger 4.3 final drive ratio so it’s only a tad quicker than the 4.1 in the zenki models. Manuals are much faster than the autos in this platform too

[@Teleios15013]

The third gen will be ev in some way shape form if they can make it happen

[@LOLA6ifyable]

@@Teleios15013 I think more like a hybrid of some sort , As long as it remains light enogh to keep it fun to drive I'm ok with it. Ev's are soooo heavyyy , hard to find one one that weighs less than 2 Tons...

[@micahtron5000]

Thanks for the drop. Really looking forward to Sonoma gr races this weekend

[@taityancusson2624]

Honestly if Toyota put the v6 the Camry has, in the gt86 and threw a supercharger on, it would rival the lotus evora. I mean that literally what the lotus has… same engine the Camry uses with a supercharger strapped to it. Although lotus did there thang to it.. If they did such thing to the gt86 then there would have been no Supra or they would have had no choice but to produce the Supra in a high class than gt and ss territory. Toyotas supercharged v6 is fantastic aka Lotus Evora.. Toyota company are cheap. They also wanted to keep the car affordable to everyday people..

[@stevef3521]

V6 will no longer be available in the Camry. It’ll be N/A 2.5/hybrid. Same with Highlander. Already switched to a 4cyl turbo.

[@taityancusson2624]

@@stevef3521 that sucks man

[@ytj22]

Lol, this car would be horrible with a heavy V6 in the front. Driving enthusiasts should feel fortunate that you aren't an automotive engineer!

[@criticalevent]

They've got a 3 cylinder turbo that puts out 300hp and it weights less than that lump that's in there now. Like, what are they waiting for.

[@Alcanmedia]

Awesome video!

[@gregorrigobert5744]

Finally a video that’s different. Well done 👏🏾

[@IdealMediaChannel]

You enjoy it?

[@Atem_S.]

86 is the goated!!

[@IdealMediaChannel]

Heck ya!!! We just bought one and are loving it!

[@Atem_S.]

@@IdealMediaChannel 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@vortexwav]

got mine last year i love her, can’t wait to start working on mods for her.

[@rollinthunder8671]

This is why I skip to the end because a lot of the time it's just crap

[@danielrosario5476]

The 86 corola was my first car… stick shift, rear wheel and it was the first car I ever worked on. And it was so fun to drive. Then after that I became a Honda boy.. (typical) now that I’m older I’m looking for a new hobby to work on again. I really like this car. Stick shift, drifter, and looks mean on the streets. I’m really considering an 86 over a civic, integra

[@mothjoke]

Great breakdown

[@ej86]

G16-GTE is the heart everyone is hoping for...

[@keifer7]

I got a gr86 about a month ago as my daily. love it so far

[@FTFSupremacyROBLOX]

People: we like this! Company: Alr bet 🔪(thing you like)

[@GetTheFOutOfMyWay]

Writing definitely seems on the wall even with the 2024s adding the stupid eyesight across the board... So glad I got my 2023 manual limited in February. Love it.

[@SpartanPM4K]

"You might just be on your phone eating breakfast" Hey wait a minute!

[@jeffarcher400]

You were talking about Zenki and Kouki and then showed Levin as the example for Kouki. In Japan there were two models called Trueno/Lightning and Levin/Thunder. Levin had the regular headlights. I think the break was around 85-86 that there was a facelift and the early are Zenki and the latter are Kouki. Here in America we got the Trueno based GT-S with the pop-up lights and 4age and the SR5 with a single cam. We also had either the coupe or the hatchback. My son has the Zenki hatch in tofu white and I have a red Kouki coupe. They're magically light... because they are made of Origami.

[@alexrain1188]

Yeah, just saw the news that Subaru has stopped production of the BRZ in Japan. Which basically starts to close the coffin on this car. So glad I got to live in this era where the old beasts had their last roar.

[@heychiyu1]

The 86 got 86'd?

[@IdealCarsOfficial]

GOAT vid!! do more of these!

[@colindajohannesen4097]

After test driving cars....and yes I did test a Porsche was one of them i chose the gr86!!!!!

[@R19Robbin]

It might be slow but it's still a nice machine

[@ak740_]

The 2nd gen isn’t as slow as people think it is. It’s faster than 95% of traffic on the road in a straight line. Just slow compared to modern performance cars which is understandable considering the car is 35 grand or under

[@JayHendrickBeats]

She ain’t dead yet, one more facelift and redesign and then we’ll find the fate of my baby

[@ldm125]

Not cancelled. Next Gen is already announced through official channels. Thumbs down.

[@scottersandman6408]

the people that want them the most can afford them the least

[@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP]

As a supra owner, I feel attacked.

[@NCLme]

Awesome 👏🏿 🤟🏿

[@mimo5383]

Still own a White Zenki BRZ from new. Its better than the current gen being lighter and having better steering feel.

[@rjaybruhh]

*_Damn I didn't know… Rip 😞_*

[@Drunken_Hamster]

IMO the should've increased the wheelwell size and tire diameter from being made for 25" to now 26" tires on the GR, as well at the very least on the rear. Would've improved proportions and tire choices for high performance stuff, particularly in the drag scene and true track slicks since the minimum for both is around is 26" IIRC kinda the same for rally tires, too.

[@1acym460]

Does anyone know who built the car in the thumbnail? I would love to see the build for that or the parts atleast

[@TheSlvrGR86]

It's already been killed off in Europe due to regulations, and where it is build in Japan, there is new regulations coming in affect as soon as 2025. If it actually gets passed, that mean that the GR86/BRZ wouldn't be emissions compliant and would need to change to be sold worldwide. I'm hoping for a change so that my GR86 is more special 😂

[@augustwhite7390]

OMG GR86 SEDAN WOULD BE LIKE A NEW TOYOTA CHASER THAT WOULD BE SICK

[@suhuy2008]

You conveniently didn’t mention about RTV silicone residue in oil pan, or oil pressure drops on right turns on track, or about weak synchro rings except just 1 gear. The RTV problem is so bad that you can total your car even without track abuse. I was thinking of buying one until I dove deep into the topic. For the same price and fun it’s better to get a Mazda Miata.

[@houtarooreki5751]

The toyota GR corolla is more 86 trueno than the GR86 will ever be

[@sophiajones9616]

Will this mean the end for the Subaru brz too then…

[@kevindepew8193]

I didn't actually see anything in this video that suggested the Toyota GR85 or Subaru BRZ is being cancelled soon. I would be surprised if there is not a 2025 version of the same car.

[@DBoone123]

Was gonna buy one of these in a couple years so bummer

[@riotousomen1773]

I heard if you use trhe membership to the auto sport it voids the warrranty

[@spac3cloud922]

Sooooo we not gona talk about how the engine gets oil deprived and blowing up?

[@inderpritsingh5564]

I can understand engine development takes time and money they could improve their original engine same goes to 2jz

[@sonyx5332]

Anyone here knows if the Synergy 2.4L V8, twin-turbo engine fits in the Toyota GR86?

[@aspekt7631]

Pretty sure all that surfing contributed to DK trying to surf on the road.

[@spinnetti]

AE86 Rear was 5 link (panhard bar) not 4. In stock form it was no where near as good as the same year MR2 and was sketchy in stock form, but in race form it was superior to the MR2... I had the OG and raced it for decades - I bet its still faster on track at 2030lbs than the new 86 . (I had mr2's and AE86 at the same time as well as a 67' S800). Maybe they will ditch this for an all new, all-Toyota Celica?

[@Hunikengt]

Damn many good cars are ending!! Glad I have an Evo X MR 😅

[@lorenkrug]

Toyota going to put the Toyota 300 hp 3 cylinder engine in the GR86 ?

[@bryanb4990]

dominated its own racing series....right

[@riotousomen1773]

a lot of people told me that the car is unreliable and needs a lot of matanice. is that true?

[@oceanswithnoend]

Hell yeah

[@venicefrasier5289]

Damn. Is it too late to get one

[@benmarley3086]

If you live in Europe, you can’t get a brand new one

[@venomousninetails]

Special editions doesn't mean the writing is on the wall? The H?

[@saulespino2510]

Doesn't have aluminum doors.

[@MrStlvette]

It’s a really fun car to drive, with a supercharger they are super fun!

[@IdealMediaChannel]

Supercharge or turbo charge?

[@AYW07]

I got mine with a supercharger, did a burnout at 100 kph in the wet

[@ivanmiranda5290]

The GR86 and the AE86 are not the same car there completely different models

[@Inferno45]

228 hp and 0-60 in 6.1 seconds for a sports car is criminal. Honda accord 2.0T can do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. They really prioritized handling over performance. Especially since you can buy a mustang and civic type R and Miata for the same price.

[@bc8Sooners]

Dude where can you get a Civic Type R for $38k? And you are comparing FWD.

[@alaskamc5979]

I think they are switching motors to the turbo 3.

[@Scypher0th]

i never understood why ppl wanted to pay 30k+ canadian for a car that gets gapped by a 2013 Kia Rio....yes i have gapped bone stock BRZ's in my GF's 2013 Kia Rio...these BRZ's are just glorified overpriced go karts....Toyota should have just plopped in the 3cyl turbo engine that the corolla GR got or hell even a turbo 4 cyl....ANYTHIGN is better than a gutless boxer engine that will need new heads in 60,000kms....main reason why i didnt get one actually is due to that crap engine....i love how they look tho.

[@pavelmatusu4457]

86 is a great platform and people are buying these cars for their insanely good handling and driving feel. And in a hands of a good driver they can be a beast on a track. Also you can always turbo/supercharge it to make it fast

[@jeffsenecal4168]

Feels great, looks great, cheap cheap cheap interior, crap engine. When it blows up, put in an LS1. GREAT CAR. LOL

[@pavelmatusu4457]

@@jeffsenecal4168 I think something a bit lighter than ls would be probably better suited for this car but you're right.

[@Xaelyth]

It's not called a great car because it's fast. Everyone knows they're slow

[@mojojoji5493]

Kia rio is a literally ugly car find another car to bash on ya ugly damn driver lol

[@nezziaktm9922]

I would never drive one irl. Their low price comes with high liter consumption. Here in Germany a full tank cost ya 110 dollars.

[@mojojoji5493]

High liter??? It’s 2.0 with 27mpg barley inefficient

[@mrracerno]

If this is true I can never sell me 2012 86 :(

[@scratchcardsandcollectible7455]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Grimreaper-g2i]

If they discontinue it i will hate toyota for the rest of my life

[@PopsRacer61]

He kept mentioning Supra! The Supra is no different than the '86' in that Toyota designed the exterior and some of the interior and suspension but none of the drivetrain ( engine & tranny ) BMW & ZF. And the 86 designed by Toyota, the engine is a Subaru WRX unit and the tranny is an AISIN copy made inhouse by Toyota. So neither are pure Toyotas ..LOL

[@SK777ENT]

Cool

[@vindevhunta4905]

Such a shame

[@criticalevent]

The lineage is actually AE-86 Corolla->IS200 Altezza->ZN6 GT86. It's just too bad they never did an IS coupe. AE86 engineer, Nobuaki Katayama set out to design the SXE10 Altezza to be a more upscale successor to the Sprinter Trueno for the now older, and slightly wealthier buyers that were fans of the original. Using the parts bin as before he put together a car that used parts of other Toyota cars to create another balanced FR sedan chassis with a high revving 4 cylinder and 6 speed transmission.

[@peterparker3668]

The lineage as declared by TOYOTA goes AE86->ZN6->ZN8. Again, just bc he wanted to make a spiritual successor does not mean it’s part of the 86 heritage. God you are so naive and stubborn. Keep coping buddy 👍🏻

[@mazdaspeedrx8]

They’ll make the 86 a hybrid with their new DAT transmission

[@CapeFilms]

It has to be fake lol

[@BruDia]

One of the most overhyped crap since it was launched, it had a econo engine it was overrated that's why it was getting cancelled in the first place 😂 not everyone can just have a lucky Miata. Finally Toyota is learning...

[@ak740_]

You realize a Miata is worse in every way in terms of performance right. All for a cheaper price new. The gr86 is faster in the 1/4 mile and on the track with much less body roll.

[@MrTwone79]

That's bad 228 hp and 184 lbs is a joke

[@godspeed_smc401]

Why

[@Aimtrainer1]

yoooo

[@ludwigagawin]

Everything is a joke....

[@dyaanahmad5079]

Ah hell naw

[@sierra3daction]

Boxer engine is trash tho

[@brytonmassie]

To be honest the engine is garbage, the only reason it didn't flop as hard as the MR2 is because of it's looks and the Subaru badging.

[@Battlfield3fan]

The 86 outsells the brz boy

[@thedanieldrew6695]

Mr2s are amazing

[@tetrgonofficial1074]

The new GR86 is ugly AF

[@isiplays7016]

First view

[@mistersecret88]

Your mommy proud?

[@michaelb5330]

Toyota have a perfectly good v6 they should be putting in the 86 ! And don’t !

[@Jag-leaper]

That will make it nose heavy and un balanced...

[@michaelb5330]

@@Jag-leaper Disagree (you sound just like the people that tell me if I put a Honda K-series in my Lotus Elise it will be rear heavy when an actual fact, the K series and the 2RZ are only a few kilos difference and it handles better with series in it anyway, with the additional ability to get significant power gains) All ally v6 and back slightly weight difference marginal Better than the many jz swaps The Toyota v6 comes I’m multiple iterations including the ones used in the lotus’s and Lexus Not to mention that the Toyota V6 is a far more reliable and has significantly more tuner products available And have you ever driven an original 86 with the castiron 4age in it that’s precisely why it was so good at drifting

[@Jag-leaper]

@@michaelb5330 exactly..my point..because it was a lightweight 4 cyl...g'day mate

[@Benedict00_MankoMuncher]

That's dumb.. just put the 3cyl turbo from the corolla in it

[@pillow2k]

BMW sucks on designing their cars, i find BMW cars ugly.

[@Travdogg-jx7yt]

2nd view

[@mistersecret88]

Your dad so proud

[@dyaanahmad5079]

​@@mistersecret88I ain't proud

[@zaidmaaita3759]

And you say you hate slow economy cars. The 86 is also a slow economy car, and on top of that ricers and porn weebs are absolutely obsessed with worshipping it in the worst ways possible. Thank god it's being discontinued again. This is why I'd rather daily drive a classic muscle car or a European luxury car; I don't wanna be associated with porn weebs.

[@EmptyJarDoto]

meds

[@zaidmaaita3759]

​@@EmptyJarDoto What do you mean meds?