The "Game Breaking" Bugs That Closed Classic

[@Crumb]

✅ Check out our RuneScape statues at: crumb.store/ I used the OpenRSC and RSCplus projects to make this video, check them out here: runescapeclassic.dev/​ rsc.plus/ A post video update: I didn't do justice to why RuneScape classic was really closed by Jagex. The most likely reason is it wasn't financially feasible for Jagex to make RSC compliant with GPDR, update it for Java 8 EOL, alongside fixing bugs.

[@pellicle]

pog

[@HIMfan42069]

If you ever make figures of our RuneScape hero in say bandos or something like that I’d totally buy.

[@extratoastable5678]

hey cumb. i have insider info on the archer ring crash. i can set up an interview with the man responsible if u want.

[@Dovydas.]

ahh yes, I remember someone showed me a bug in Tai Bwo Wannai where you could climb a ladder from a certain angle and it would make you go up in the unintended tile, over the wall. Then you could walk in darkness on that specific floor all around Runescape. Even until 50+ wildy levels (I think you could go beyond the max) but couldn't leave that floor unless teleported out. I tested and had it recorded but it was like 3 years ago. Was asked not to leak it but the game is long closed now so w/e.

[@MyKewlProductions]

So... video when?

[@brandonswartz8592]

Is that you dovy daddy?

[@darkclownKellen]

I see what you did there

[@robertcrawford377]

@Gaming Legend69 haven't you heard? Jagex released bonds

[@dray174]

Where my friend

[@ThorHiney210]

The classic cannon design is incredible lmaooo

[@omgitzsirairhorn]

@@tarhit9 lmboaoaoaoaoaoooooooooo

[@omgitzsirairhorn]

@@tarhit9 lahmmmmaaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@omgitzsirairhorn]

Laugh my freaking arse off and butt off through the guillotine off off off off off off off

[@cabin_fever]

seriously, it fits way more w/ runescape / dwarven aesthetic. they should change it to that design as an homage to classic

[@range4luv2]

Sick as fuck that they added an ornament kit that makes it look like that too!

[@jolly1559]

I think Jagex most likely hired someone to do cost benefit analysis and the conclusion was the 4-5 figure income/year that classic generated wasn't worth the potential risk of one of it's bugs affecting the main games and costing them 6 or more figures in damages.

[@lilreaper1712]

Holy shit the nostalgia. I started playing Classic when I was 18 an I'm now 37 casually playing osrs on an off. I recall some of these issues and seen a few first-hand. I was known as Kil__Jaeden named after the demon warlord of Warcraft 3.

[@ratchetgod4077]

Remember when black armor was rare?

[@ickywitdasticky]

I was the one who discovered that you can smuggle the Workman from the Digsite! If you tried to dig with a spade, they'd teleport to you to yell at you. He'd try to run back if he was too far from the Digsite, but he would get stuck on scenery which would allow you to keep luring him. It was easier to do it with a friend. We took them to Draynor bank to keep him stuck and to show him off since Draynor bank was the most popular place in RSC. I can also corroborate the Tai Bwo Wannai ladder into darkness.

[@johndoe1139]

Liar

[@LopsidedMoz]

but how will he earn enough money to feed his kids in Draynor?

[@longdong3972]

no, me.

[@jameslacey01]

I think Jagex realised that maintaining RSC would mean rewriting most of the code cleanly from scratch which they had probably already done for RS2.

[@GrumpyIan]

It could have also been security concerns. The extended support for Java SE 6 ended December 2018. I can't find exactly what version of Java FunOrb and Classic used but I'm certain that had a part on why they shut down those servers, and with Java SE 6 being released in December 2006. It makes too much sense that being the actual reason.

[@johnm9156]

I think it's this, more than anything.

[@GrumpyIan]

@@johnm9156 A comment said that it was because of a privacy law being put into effect in the EU. That said I'm very certain they where going to close both down at the end of the year. Just that law made them close them sooner.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a money saving measure either tho tbh. Which is completely fair, I mean, running servers for what...maybe 1000 actual players? It WAS probably losing money for them lol.

[@wexyrs2070]

It's sad that classic devolved like that - A great game and a part of history forced to be deleted

[@FateYYZ]

Jagex abandoning RSC is a shame. They could have spent a small amount of time on it and done small updates and it would have grown. Not to OSRS levels at all, but it would have grown. Instead they locked the servers to new players, left it unmaintained, and it died down in popularity as new players couldn't join and old players slowly quit. It still had a few hundred players online, although many of them were botting. Many people botted because the game needed QOL updates to actually be playable, and exp rates were so horrible that it would take countless more hours to max on RSC than OSRS, all while having to deal with worse QOL. If Jagex had done QOL updates like make-X, not having to re-click to fish every time you caught a fish or failed to catch a fish, and added better exp rates like a new high level agility course for example, less people would have botted. Trying to max in Jagex's abandoned RSC without a bot was unthinkable. Private RSC servers became more popular than the Jagex RSC servers within the last few years because the private servers were actually updated and cared for and had good QOL updates to make the game less tedious. They provide updated QOL to banks, new content (one server added slayer as a new skill to RSC), make-x added to skilling, exp rates increased on some servers, fatigue was reduced to not require as much sleeping or removed, etc etc. They also cracked down on botters so it was mostly active legit players. If Jagex cared about RSC, it didn't have to end the way it did. They had the means to revitalize RSC doing small QOL and content updates every few months and cracking down on botters. Even if it was just a couple thousand players playing, RSC was the start of Jagex, and Jagex have chopped their roots off to save a few bucks. You hate to see it.

[@fica1137]

@@FateYYZ Why would Jagex make QoL changes for RSC? Whole point of it is that it is preserved as it was 18 years ago when RS2 was released. Who would update alpha version of their game that was released? No amount of QoL would stop botting because frankly gameplay in that game is unfun. It is objectively less fun than the sequel. So why add all of the stuff that was released in RS2 to an objectively worse game for few hundred people who still "play" that game

[@notawesomebread]

@@FateYYZ they did update classic with QOL...... it's called RS2

[@beefnacos6258]

It never devolved.....did you see how many people were online the last day the game was up? Runescape 2 came out, all of the ogs quit

[@windowsforvista]

Funorb and RSC definitely closed because of GDPR. I assume there were a lot of legal requirements and it was easier to just take them down.

[@MGX93dot]

gdpr was 2016, funorb/rsc were closed in 2018, although they died many, many years prior.

[@Verlisify]

I miss Runescape being a playground

[@pitou2007]

Do a top 10 Runescape GF's.

[@Eurynomos326]

I'm p sure he interviewed the rank 1 GF/GF kingpin (queenpin?) already

[@LoIis]

Eury Nomos 1 isnt 10

[@JbBackFeeble]

Nah that shits cringe as fuck.

[@LopsidedMoz]

@@JbBackFeeble its a joke

[@timt6037]

I loved classic, playing classic right after school on my dial up internet was the highlight of my weekdays growing up, after ver 2 came out i eventually quit as the "feeling" wasnt there anymore. but great times.

[@GoHardMang]

loved this version of rs, wish it was still open to play occasionally on the side

[@browncow5210]

The guys who found a bug to kill pretty much anyone but only used it to kill specifically bots sound like absolute legends.

[@stephentrueman4843]

I find it amazing that that bug existed. I wonder why Andrew Gower (creator of RS) made it so the player (who killed the demon OR NOT in this bug) got teleported to the middle of the platform right after killing the demon... seems kinda pointless, but i cant remember the quest so maybe it was needed

[@eugenesis8188]

Bro, all these clips of runescape classic are so nostalgic it actually hurts.

[@gabesdum]

I miss classic. Botting on classic turned me into a software engineer lol

[@NZLink]

started in 2001, i will always love RSC, lobby, coal swordy certs ..before noting was a thing.... karamja was PACKED always and members was truly a luxury

[@SignFanatics]

8:53 Hey that's me!

[@richliving1619]

Dude said “plagging” RuneScape classic lol

[@MA-xv4wc]

That shit was frustrating

[@davidgv3527]

Are you saying he pronounces plaguing wrong? I think that’s a pretty common pronunciation.

[@latergator9622]

@@davidgv3527 well then that’s a common MISpronouncing lmao

[@richliving1619]

@@davidgv3527 never once have I heard it pronounced that way. I’ve never heard it any other way then “play-ging”.

[@MarcZankovic]

@@davidgv3527 A common mistake, maybe.

[@SuBRifleS]

great video, nice and chill to just listen too while doing other stuff at the same time. about your new Zuk statue, i bought Vorkath and Jad already and i am very happy with them but something about the Zuk colours seem off, like it's slightly off. the design still looks great tho :)

[@steveprefontaine5977]

I loved the 3 round combat system, bring back 3 hitting people

[@nbackus9]

I wish RuneScape would open a server that would start with RSC and update in real time like following the timeline RuneScape updated before all the way up till EOC and stop before it hits

[@7evive]

🤯

[@omgitzsirairhorn]

Dudeeeeee

[@omgitzsirairhorn]

It'd be so hard to fix all the bugs but if a genius could I would never go outside again

[@_Molecule]

lol...

[@ColeFam]

I miss Classic. It was messy, but definitely the most charming version of the game. Thanks for covering this, I didn't know some of these.

[@mattb6001]

I think it would be cool to talk about some of the notable players who still played RSC. isn't there one guy named Rob or something who had been playing since its release?

[@BabyCal]

In all honesty, I wonder if these bugs were a drop in the barrel of what was possible. Or if Jagex had uncovered anything themselves at any point that would’ve been too daunting to fix. Scary to think! Great video Crumb!

[@Sean.Vosler]

I was one of the botters that got teleported for my loot... I was so confused bc I was mostly just smithing... I was probably the last person to get 99 smithing - was so fun while it lasted

[@BattleGh0stz]

PLEASE MAKE MORE!! they are soo good

[@jaskaborner9795]

It's funny this was uploaded today when just last night I was watching your older videos about "why RSC shut down." I was looking for my name in the screenshots and clips of RSC's final moments. I was online until around 5 AM my time, when the plug was finally pulled. :( I doubt they would have shut the game due to the teleporting glitch, provided they were even aware of its existence. If only two high-level players were aware of it, only targeted cheaters, and did not go public until after closure, your description of "vigilante" fits quite well. Hell, it's entirely possible some JMod found out and decided to let them carry on griefing botters because, yeah, why not. The crystal chest bug was super annoying to everyone. The fact they refused to fix it for years was the first major clue that there was really no one left at the company who cared about the game's oldest and most dedicated community. It's hard not to interpret that as a huge middle finger, especially when many were paying modern membership prices for a very, very old game. I'm still upset the game closed, but here's the thing: When the decision was made to re-open Classic to paying members for a final time, Jagex indicated on the forums that it would remain online indefinitely, albeit without any official support. They committed to keeping it available, only to go back on their word and add arguably their best creation and greatest legacy to the ever-growing pile of defunct titles and IP. They essentially consigned RSC to the same scrap heap as any number of half-baked cash-grabs that have come and gone without anyone really giving a shit, and then tried to gaslight us into believing it was inevitable.

[@thecoroner7070]

Well said sir

[@redrepublic5557]

I was there behind draynor bank as they shut it down

[@ignacionemarich1877]

Dont even play the game anymore, but Im loving these series.

[@TheRiskyBrothers]

I'd bet it was a mix of both reasons. Classic wasn't a huge expense or revenue stream, but running it wasn't free. Compared to the mtx crap the money guys at Jagex push, discontinuing an obsolete product is much more reasonable imo. But I think the fact that there was the potential for a bug to hop from Classic to OSRS/RS3 through the linked account system represented too great a risk. I definitely miss classic, especially showing my friends the true meaning of minimalist graphics, but I didn't start on that version of the game so I don't have any exceptionally strong nostalgia for it. What would have really been funny would have been if players had jumped to classic after EOC instead of getting OSRS. That would have really made the investors' heads spin.

[@happystash]

My opinion as a classic player from 2001, "RS2" was the next huge thing, and all the player base was in classic, they took a poll I think 84% said they don't want a new version They bought it out anyway and I think the numbers were still not great on the new version, there was some sort of debate whether characters will be transferred over then, I even think some people's accounts did get transferred, maybe even mine, but It wasn't the same experience being basically the same game just completely different game engine, most people still preferred classic and my opinion is they closed the original version down to make way for #2, which as you can see they have done more and more versions since, with similar results.

[@llamabator]

i remember when the r2h came out. and was playing when santas dropped. had like 50 lol. man youre brining me back. just got back into rs. got the mobile. been like 10 years.

[@Sn00dZ]

There was also bug in high level wilderness where guthix claws animation was constantly coming from ground, gate bug was fixed by loggin in and out but when theres guthix claws you coulndt even access to mage bank

[@redrepublic5557]

I remember the claws bug

[@personious_k]

Good looking out Crumb. Thanks for keeping RSC alive. 💚

[@benderbotx]

When I get my Infernal cape, I'm buying that Zuk.

[@DonutSwordsman]

This was a great video and nostalgic. Can you do a vid around the new classic server?

[@DonutSwordsman]

@Divide You the one he discusses in the vid, for the original version of runescape.

[@zped4484]

Zuk looks FANTASTIC. Great job man

[@irecatori]

mod matk said on twitch that rsc was closed beacause of legal privacy issues that couldn't be fixed so they were forced to close it down. Security.

[@GrumpyIan]

Honestly I think that they were going to take atleast FunOrb down at the end of the year anyways because extend support for Java SE 6 was going to end on December 2018. It came out in 2006 so I'm going to guess that's what they used for atleast FunOrb, and they could have possibly updated classic to that version.

[@RiverShock]

I always thought it was likely backend issues that got them to close it. While RSC was mostly its own thing, things like account security and the chat system had to have some interoperability with the main game, which was probably both holding them back in some regards, and a pain to maintain in Classic.

[@buildurtruckurway9118]

Honestly I miss classic. I started back in 2002 when I was 11 switched to rs2 and then lost my classic account. It would have been a great idea to reupload classic to the jagex homepage for FREE. Glitches aside it only failed when they made membership mandatory for the game. Especially for the same cost as the rs2 membership. It was actually so simple but complicated at the same time. Zero guides were out when I was a kid so I had to figure out quests and skills on my own. They could have made the glitches disappear but rs2 was there moneymaker after 2007. And they just couldn’t gain the popularity with rs1 with the mandatory membership they put in place.

[@stephentrueman4843]

yeah played in 2003 myself, most of the time was spent chatting instead of exping. Remember getting discovered by my dad when I did all nighters playing haha, especially waiting for rs2 to launch. Seemingly no one at the company wanted to fix any of the bugs either; they could have kept developing the game

[@ultivite69]

You’re missing the trade spam bug that was used to make people lag out mid fight in wilderness

[@DapwayBeatz]

This

[@stephentrueman4843]

yeah i remember when i was young and this happened to me

[@gabeorsborn2571]

What about the no clip up the ladder in lumby castle that sent you out the wall and into blackness. I got a few lvl 33 stakers to follow me and get stuck.

[@americandeathmachine615]

This was awesome, always enjoy the RS history lessons. I haven't heard the name "Funorb" in years!

[@jacksmith6479]

Classic was shut down because Reines developed a shell version of STS. You were able to run hundreds bots on a single PC. I was there, talking to him in GTalk when the servers started going offline. I also find it odd that I never learned about this supposed teleport bug as the de-facto richest player in late stage RSC where hundreds of party hats were on 9hper that everyone knew of.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

It's not supposed, it really happened. The reason you never heard of it is more than likely it never happened to you. Crumb did an entire video about it like a year ago, better explaining how it worked. It teleported someone based on their player ID so you couldn't teleport whoever you wanted to, you were just kind of doing the glitch and seeing who got tele'd is the way I understood it. /watch?v=buacf09cBfM

[@jacksmith6479]

@@HomeCookinMTG player id was known by basically everyone on a bot client. Maybe it was a thing, maybe not. There have been quite a few unofficial classic servers, maybe these people used those instead? Keeping in mind the first few classic servers were there prior to shutdown of the official RSC.

[@thecoroner7070]

​@@jacksmith6479 looks like you weren't active in the rsc community in the final year.

[@jacksmith6479]

@@thecoroner7070 basically all the screenshots show player id(PID). Reines may have removed it for you, but friends and family had it the whole time. Plus most of the time I used my own bot.

[@Shaden992]

Shell bots were around long before it was shut down, back when there was still a decent amount of servers and free to play servers there were multiple bots on all the pking servers that just walked from lumbridge to edgeville so pkers could just follow one and afk for the long walk back to edgeville. Plus all the places for skilling was filled with people running shell bots for making money or supplies for their pking accounts.

[@SensitivityGames]

funny how they said the bugs were to complicated and then there is RSC Revolution fixing the bugs, imploment android support, SLAYER, rune crafting, few new bosses and mobs and best of all batch attempts for klik intensive skills (batches will go up when you reah certain lvl goals lvl 5 is 2 attempts instead of 1 etc).

[@SwitchTF2]

You’re not serious, are you? No brains on you whatsoever, comparing Jagex to a tiny company like RSC Revolution.

[@rustytoyota]

Crumb I really like how you named your channel after the size of your zulrah. ; D

[@naircat]

I'd love to see part 2!

[@EtsaTwo]

I think some of it was how the the game really never expected you to get 99. They're also wasn't a skill capes and there really wasn't much to get for it. For the longest time people were stuck in that 30 is 40s and 50s. So really everyone was just wondering around doing random stuff. There really wasn't the end game to race to it was just game.

[@UltimatePerfection]

There are a couple RSC private servers, but can't think of any active ones (with actual playerbase).

[@naircat]

yessss! thank you so much for this video :D classic content is the best. aughh thank you!

[@HunkMine]

They should of just made the code public as open source and let the community make their own version

[@Jonetwo]

9:50 "subscribe to crumb" loooool

[@DrMorganClydesdale]

First time watching your stuff. Already like 5 vids in. This is fantastic...

[@robertbelyea5767]

What are the odds. I get nostalgic bout runescape classic and boom! Love your work Crumb!

[@Khylerr]

“Back when we treated Runescape like a playground for exploration” that’s what I started doing again in Old School. with Runelite plug ins like Quest Helper i can just fully get immersed in the game and not care about do rates just about having fun. love you videos about the history of the game. looong forward to your next upload!

[@Khylerr]

so many typos my bad

[@_Molecule]

im confused on how a plugin that directs u and tells u exactly what do to immerses u into the game

[@chiponpon]

I've never ever played RuneScape but your content is extremely interesting and I consider starting to play. Would you recommend it?

[@Crumb]

If you enjoy a massive grind, yes :)

[@mendoxei1721]

Akame ga kill ost playing on the background, so cool. 😂

[@Serpenttine]

Glad to see an explanation on why classic was removed

[@Scapularbore]

Your 100% right about why classic was cut.

[@3runjosh]

I love the art style of classic and osrs

[@amethyst8865]

Why is a good portion of your store sold out? When will it be restocked? Im interested in the custom player figurine

[@Crumb]

Weekend pursuit, not a lot of time to make stuff. Sticking to the pre-order system for now to manage timelines and expectations better

[@joshuaclark4662]

Alot of these bugs could easily be fixed if they gave a damn. In its later years RSC had registration closed due to bots and other BS. You won't make money on a game where registration is not open. I also believe they could open official PK and Stake servers where the issue of botting could be circumvented with the ability to set your own stats or higher exp rates.

[@SwitchTF2]

Gave a damn? Lol you clearly have never put out a profitable project before. You only care as long as it’s bringing in money. When it stops, it’s no longer good work.

[@joshuaclark4662]

@@SwitchTF2 subscriptions = money... they literally closed the way to subscribe then refused to focus on the game that could have brought them passive income

[@Luckysquirrel1256]

That Classic Dwarven Multicannon design is sick.

[@UenoLocker54]

I'm sure there are capable people out there that would have volunteered to jmod classic and fix it enough to play.

[@KingK3vinGaming]

“Charged dragon stone amulet” seems like a bis for lava dragons

[@austin6289]

You're pronouncing "plague" and every variation of the word wrong.

[@dray174]

Plaque

[@rindora7317]

I cringed hard when I heard him say it.... ever heard of the Black Plague?

[@xKAZOMBIEx]

Plagging.... Urk. It's Play-ging!

[@dray174]

@@xKAZOMBIEx no its plagueinc

[@xKAZOMBIEx]

@@dray174 Oh snap mb

[@grzegorzgk31]

There was almost no real non-botting players. There is no business reason in maintaining such servers.

[@phanatk9966]

Crumb, please make Nightmare Statues. My favorite boss and i've been wanting one forever!

[@Crumb]

:) We want to one day, but no ETA as of yet

[@minutesock9649]

I 100% believe that rsc was shut down for monetary reasons. It was a matter of time before some very malicious bugs ruin everything or even a terrorist/hate group begin to use the chat to organize crime. The constant threat of something like this happening requires jagex's attention which I'm sure they didn't seem worth it since only like 100 real people actually played rsc. My 2 cents.

[@ChromeCalion]

Rip rsc =( I've got alot of old pictures saved on different harddrives from my rs1 days

[@lukedumoulin6049]

It seems like they are doing the bot busting for jagex and they still shut it down

[@HomeCookinMTG]

I mean, to be fair, the game was 90% bots, that's not even an exaggeration lol. If jagex were to have actually banned botters on classic there would've been no classic community pretty much.

[@AscendedHazard]

If only we could teleport bots to places like 50 Ports today

[@shogunguy]

Kinpaku is a very nice music choice 👍🏼

[@Crumb]

Glad you enjoyed that

[@grandtheftlemon301]

Broooo we need like,, a cannon ornament kit to make it look like in classic

[@SylvanEvergreen]

9:47 one of the players says "Hi Crumb"

[@JampsD3]

I miss funorb, used to play steel sentinels at the public library after school.

[@polo6669]

I may not play anymore; but it's an honest crime that RS:C was closed down. It would've made sense if Jagex was giving up, but it was a museum piece; one that was still bringing in money. Not that Jagex needs more of that.

[@Guardian7x]

God how I wish they would release this version of the game again

[@timber5929]

I was gonna say I thought I heard the FFXII music very good choice 💚

[@gottagobuy6436]

That private message bug still exists i got a pm in osrs the other day from a person named jagteam_rand and he was on world 1103 and he sent super long messages about becoming a pmod and tried to get me to go to these certain websites that looked official but werent

[@_Molecule]

thats just the lobby on runescape 3 lol.

[@gottagobuy6436]

@@_Molecule yeah figured as much

[@samonsounds]

Lmao 🤣 ahhh so nice you upload as I sit down with my morning cuppa and toast

[@koldolmen5837]

Could they target which pid would teleport to the demon? I thought it was just random

[@Crumb]

They would trap the bots and let them 5 mintue timer relog till it hit the right pid

[@corycarney1733]

My party hats, now worth thousands just dead on an RSC server that no longer exists because 10-12 year old me decided not to transfer my items

[@Aegis_Mind]

😢

[@xNosVids]

Bot busting is sick, I saw a vid where steez and amenity found a way to skull trick green dragon bots with Abby whips and made a killing

[@dantedeloden]

also your zuk statue should come with a complimentary shield, i dont wanna get 1 shot my dude!

[@robert9595]

Come home after work open your door...BOOM...ded.

[@brad99539]

why are you showing cheat client footage @0:18-0:21? that maze was definitely ran on socket

[@ZKern7]

Lmao 9:30 the classic cannon looks crazy

[@MrSiJay]

Fantastic video man.

[@paper2man]

Here when it had “1 view”

[@yunglean4759]

Saaaame

[@EdgyVidyaGeneral]

Also crumb im pretty sure we have the same photo box. ESDDI?

[@Crumb]

Mines cardboard and tissue paper :)

[@herrabanani]

cannon was in rs1? i didn't know that

[@Henrylavaman]

Those figurines are really coming along my guy

[@Lazyboy51]

RSC needs a roll back, just bring the servers back..

[@harrypjotr4987]

Won't happen. Jagex is a company ran by the investors and they want to make money. Having like 5 servers open for 200 players isn't worth it to them, you might as well play rscrevolution if that's still up, they even have a mobile app so you can play on the go.

[@EdgyVidyaGeneral]

Bro you been throwin out videos like crazy

[@CodingWithUnity]

@9:36 plagging? ... plaguing?

[@boredfangerrude]

So, it was probably shut down for two reasons: 1): It was too easy for players to abuse bugs and glitches to ruin the game for everyone. 2): It isn't generally wise to split your player base and RuneScape 2 is a superior version anyways that most RS fans are going to play.

[@DMTZ]

that zuk statue looks nuts

[@happydaze1721]

Do you have a game breaking bug that makes you say "Plagging" instead of Plaguing?

[@RoscoGE7]

Iam no joke getting osrs/rs3 gold buying ads on runescape vids...