The Game Is Ruined

[@CammyBouse]

Antony came on at 3-0 to Man U and has the audacity to taunt the Coventry players after not even taking a penalty. What an absolute loser of the highest order.

[@Versace_sheets]

Thats fucking crazy 🤣

[@CadarnTheMad1810]

shame we can't play them again, pretty sure Jake Bidwell would like to mark him.......and probably put him into row z

[@thelastgreataudit8112]

Pretty much what you'd expect from someone that's only a threat to women in clubs.

[@akacocox2365]

Pretty sure that was to mock Haji who did the same thing when he scored

[@thalente8074]

​@@akacocox2365don't let context ruin a good moan

[@Darilon12]

8:28 Wrong. No American sport is decided by centimetres. It's decided by measurements made up by drunk Englishman 500 years ago.

[@danielhavoc889]

At least we don't use French units of measurement 🤮

[@Blood8563]

@@danielhavoc889 u mad bruh?

[@Darilon12]

​@@danielhavoc889Thanks to the American education system, you can't. 😂

[@jakef6647]

I believe the measurement you are referring to is freedom units 🦅

[@andrewleah1983]

The NFL uses yards and inches. Clown.

[@sporeloversnowii]

As a cov fan my pain is nothing but immeasurable

[@alexbarber3310]

I cannot imagine your pain. You were absolutely robbed and your team fought like true champions to win that game. All I can say is City will probably put a beating on Man Utd in the final if that gives you anything to salvage from it.

[@WookieWarriorz]

ill never ever stop saying that coventry won that game and i support neither team, coventry embarassed united, we all saw it.

[@Druid2001]

man utd did not deserve that win, Coventry are the real winners here, hope to see you guys in the prem in the next few years so you can get your revenge

[@ciggy_]

Don’t worry buddy, VAR will measure it in no time

[@slinkycarnage2078]

I'm a bristol city fan I feel so sorry for you united did not deserve to win that game

[@csatterley]

What I hate about it is the false pretence of accuracy. Making millimetre decisions based on single camera angles using computer generated lines that are thicker than the differences allegedly being adjudicated upon. The other thing that troubles me is the fact that it is still just as open to human error and subjectivity as on field decisions. So, while it does deliver in many cases in ensuring the right decision is made and obvious refereeing errors get corrected, when it comes to the sharp end, those marginal decisions that top games can be won and lost on, it just doesn't deliver. It just adds time and moves controversy from the ref to some official sat in front if a monitor.

[@MarDuBronx]

Literally the last video he made on the Chelsea city game it was “get more cameras get more angles” “look at this angle it shows the handball” now it’s “oh it’s only from this angle you can see an offside” “how dare var call a barley offside goal offside”. Do yall want var to correct decisions or not? I understand var makes it more frustrating when obvious calls are ignored, does that apply to genuine calls you find “harsh” because it’s close as well? What’s var for?

[@johanhalvarsson2148]

​@@MarDuBronxbut the line was over his foot. It was wrongly drawn. I ofcourse don't know if it's the exact right frame the pass is played or not but it's the frame they used.

[@MarDuBronx]

@@johanhalvarsson2148 I’m literally looking at the thumbnail, yea the blue line is going over AWBs toes, that’s where the blue is supposed to be, and you can clearly see the tip of wrights boot is touching the red line barley, it’s off. I don’t think it would’ve been more “beautiful” if they won off that, they had a coin flip chance to legitimately win the game and their captain skied it. It is what it is.

[@johanhalvarsson2148]

@@MarDuBronx What!? no! the lines should be drawn at the very edge of the most forward part of each player. why would it be done on the middle of the toes on one player and at the edge on the other? And why only for the big team?

[@MarDuBronx]

@@johanhalvarsson2148 I really don’t think it’s in the middle of his toes… anyways the angle he’s choose to show is weird af, AWB foot looks as long as his leg. And even then it’s clear AWB doesn’t touch the red line where as wrights does

[@johnsteele1667]

The best part of Antony’s performance is that he came on in the 65th minute and United immediately collapsed. Truly baffling to then big himself up at the end like he contributed anything to the game.

[@KUJK13]

The game has grown so much that the Americans are having their ‘game’s gone’ moments - it’s beautiful

[@TheRoonie222]

On the baseball thing, they have instigated Robo Umps for balls and strikes in AAA baseball as a testing ground. So far the reception has been positive. I think it was JomBoy has a decent video explaining it and how it works.

[@peoplelikefrank]

Was it an obvious miss by the referee? No! Was it an advantage for the attacker? No! No offside, no reason for the VAR to intervene. Coventry was betrayed.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Coventry wasn't betrayed, people are just bitter that their underdog story didn't come true. It was offside.

[@BeegBWolf]

If I'm the FA and I have to choose between an underdog story of an unknown club that's no 8 on EFL and the Manchester Derby for the FA final, I'll choose the Manchester Derby. Yes, We know that like Coventry, Man United is gonna get slaughtered as well in the final so why not make the most of 💰 while they're at it? Sponsors will love it, fans worldwide will prefer to watch that one more anyway. That's why the VAR has every reason to check and intervene

[@ElEmElEkv13]

This offside is exactly why we are getting automated offsides for next year onwards.

[@lllllllll772]

That's literally the exact opposite of what the people who have been complaining about this want

[@TheStuartGibson]

But there will be no chip in the ball, so it will rely on Var to make the final decision if necessary

[@ElEmElEkv13]

@@lllllllll772 Well they shouldn't be. Rules are rules and they shouldn't be broken to make some cinderella story come true. If someone is offside, it's offside. It's almost like not wanting goal-line tech so we can get more of this so caled "soul" of the game back. If we have the technology to get some decision 100% correct within seconds like this offside or goal-line it would be studpid not to want it implemented. We might just throw a coin who wins if we don't care about the correct results. Hell, this goal-line tech should be extended for all the outlines of the field...

[@danm2756]

​@ElEmElEkv13 yeah I don't understand this argument. It's better to make sure the right calls are made.

[@c_nrad]

But are we going to pretend that the automated system only has microns of error?

[@jonssonftw]

I'm in the "if it can't be instantaneously automated, leave it to the refs on the pitch" camp.

[@thalente8074]

Well its getting implemented next season

[@VictorMontel]

I actually really like the rule proposed by Wenger (and potentially tested by FIFA next season) where the offside is only called if the attacker's entire body is ahead of the last defender, if his heel is in line with the last player, then it's not offside. I think that brings a really cool dynamic to the game. Will offside calls be tougher? Yeah, but at least we won't get robbed of a potential historic moment because a player has a hard wiener because of a hot girl he saw behind the goal as he was running to receive a long pass.

[@harmonizing_spellian]

Tbh if I was a United fan I would be complaining about the penalty call so much.

[@mrfoofoo69]

Yup, yet all the noise is about how United *should've* lost to an offside goal (offside is offside regardless of by how far, with current laws), with no one making much noise about how Bissakas penalty was given against United but not against City or Everton for the same incident (actually more of a handball for grealish since he was in the wall imo)

[@unknownname1941]

Coz it's just anti-Man UTD agenda

[@alarrim29574]

Why would they complain about the penalty. It’s a pen, and if your gonna bring up Everton and chelsea games those were also handballs and if not for complete fucking bozo refs or just straight up cheating refs then they would be pens too

[@drunkenramblingswithaaron7708]

This shit was crazy... The fact they didnt show a straight-on graphic of the offsides like they typically do is freakin sus... This shit is as level as level can get...

[@mrigankshekhar7013]

We got to see in India. It's on the broadcaster not FA Cup.

[@callumjb7668]

blind?

[@marcbrisbane6800]

Evident cheating with the daft angle. Attacker should have had advantage anyway

[@callumjb7668]

@@marcbrisbane6800 “evident cheating” ahhaahhah

[@marcbrisbane6800]

@@callumjb7668 i couldnt care less about english football btw, ur obviously a strange little man utd fan though. Why show it at a daft angle 🤔 exactly. Should have been a goal. Ur as embarrassing as antony

[@stevedaytona]

Back in my day, we used to say "if you're level you're on(side)". This is a case where the player is level. If most of the attackers body is level or behind the defender then it should be onside.

[@ExplosionGaming99]

I think a better solution is the hockey/football “clear and obvious” style where a play can only be overturned if it’s clear and obvious that the call on the ice/field was incorrect. In this instance with the technology it’s not really clear and obvious so you wouldn’t overturn it. It does have some issues, but it usually/should prevents the egregious misses from ruining the game, and keeps the close stuff that “you wouldn’t call on a playground” from being a huge issue. Yes there will still be debates and I think hockey and football have issues from it, but the umpire problem in baseball is absolutely ridiculous. I’m not a baseball fan and even I know umps are the worst referees in any sport

[@gaffer2602]

That's what the Laws of the Game say: "a clear and obvious error"

[@pavoposavac7219]

You had the same at the world cup in the game Croatia vs Belgium. Where Croatias penalty was denied because the shoulder of Lovren was 2 mm ahead of his opponent

[@no_justno]

5 gleups in 47 parsecs, Zealand blorped off😢

[@Middagetten]

👽👽

[@no_justno]

@@Middagetten alobhgrob my friend 👽

[@dweeep03]

Bogos binted

[@Middagetten]

@@no_justno pingas

[@no_justno]

@@dweeep03 binted indeed😢

[@TarovGaming]

These things should be measured on chocolate turtles

[@surreallifeartist6461]

A well worded, well thought out argument. Dismissed by two words. Angel Hernandez.

[@unholyxeras8182]

I genuinely believe that had this been the other way around, VAR wouldn't have even looked at it and the goal would have stood

[@SirEEf13]

Agree. They always seem to get it "right" in moments like these but then they go on to make the wildest call for the easiest decision a week later.

[@adamjones1241]

Nobody tell him about Chesterfield vs Middlesbrough '97

[@awesomepig99w]

Chesterfield mentioned 🔥🔥🔥 But seriously though we got robbed in that game. A huge shame

[@Torauth]

VAR should exist for clear and obvious mistakes only - like 1971 FA Cup semi-final, when Charlie George was played onside by a programme seller by the pitch side. Not for bullcrap like this.

[@gaffer2602]

That's how it should be used, according to IFAB. It's always misused, though

[@lyonkennedy4892]

Your hairline would’ve kept Haji Wright onside.

[@coralpilled]

That's diabolical

[@nathanb286]

Especially with English referees (as we saw on the same day with Everton vs Forest) you can’t trust that they have done anything that close correctly when most of the time they get simple decisions wrong

[@fablotwang]

As a man that runs the line for the team I coach in the 4th tier of Welsh football, that is onside

[@MrBuzzin14]

the refs confused faces when it was deemed off-side was hilarious, nobody thought it was offside, even untd's manager saw it was onside. Coventry deffo robbed here.

[@dixoncider8372]

As an American Man U fan… this is bittersweet

[@rumblebird9888]

That’s life

[@pavlevasilev2968]

I remember the garnacho goal vs arsenal, so I felt kind bad for coventry.

[@epicster64]

Was there yesterday as a cov fan, the emotions were unreal, and the heartbreak destroyed me. That was a heck of a long journey home.

[@thatissomeBS]

Goal: Ball must be 100% past the line. OOB: Ball must be 100% past the line. Offside: Any part of player past line, including a stray hair. I know this seems like it would massively benefit the attack, but I want to see offside treated like everything else, like you have to be entirely past the last defender, which would make it quite clear. In reality, it would incentivize the defenders to actually, uhh, defend. Sure, it takes the trap away a bit, and that would suck, but a lot of the 1v1 against the keeper is because the trap failed and someone played the attacker on. If the defender just had to get back and cover, rather than going for the trap, letting the goal happen, consult VAR, etc. etc., that would be better. I know it would never happen, and I know there would still be the occasional scenario where we're going to VAR to decide if the attackers back foot were still level with the defenders arm or something, but I think it would allow the attackers a bit more freedom while more clearly defining the defenders job (forget trying to catch them 2 inches offside and go defend).

[@tmantoo]

I’ve been having this conversation with my friends for a bit now. And it came up recently being a Milan fan, look up our two offsides vs sassuolo. I love semi automated VAR for how quickly the offside call happens, but there has to be some leeway in it. I was thinking maybe go off of the players feet, or possibly even go off of the goal scoring body part so the leeway can’t be taken advantage of.

[@rossanderson1892]

You would have loved the semi final between Celtic and Aberdeen. Not 1 VAR review (although we do have VAR) on any decision the ref made. Happy to hear your thought on this, if as you say, VAR is at the point of ruining the game.

[@aggeroxf]

I feel like you need to give the benefit to the attacker when it is as close as that "offside"

[@gaffer2602]

According to the Laws of the Game, that's what should happen, especially if the on field officials don't flag it

[@ajn95]

As a utd fan what i find weird is how when we were in the exact same situation vs arsenal in the beginning of the season no one uttered a word about oh accuracy this and that now all of a sudden slightly offside goals shud be allowed because it would be fairy tale story for coventry. Its funny games are only ruined when utd get the decisions their way Another thing is this consistency in ref decisions how on earth can u not give that grealish pen but give awb pen (imo both are 100% penalties) be consistent with the decisions and everyone will automatically stfu.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I'm also a United fan and yes. People really love their underdog stories and are willing to disregard rules, just so they get their win. Plus, THAT didn't cost Coventry the match: conceding 3 goals and missing 2 penalties did, but people fixate on that one moment and criticise a call that was correct. Like it or not, it was correct.

[@gaffer2602]

​@@octavianpopescu47761. The lines weren't drawn correctly 2. VAR should not have intervened. It was not a clear and obvious error

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@gaffer2602 I see that VAR intervenes at every goal scored at the Euros, as it should. A lot of unfair decisions were prevented thanks to it. As for the "lines weren't drawn correctly"... it's the first time I hear of this. It's done by computer and sure, mistakes may happen, but it's unlikely. The decision is fair. Slightly offside is still offside.

[@unthoughtwords]

The solution to VAR is what they do in Cricket, Hockey, etc. - each team has a finite number of reviews (1-3) per game or per half, the captain chooses when to refer a call to the box, and they lose the review if the decision is upheld.

[@alexhill7097]

My problem here is not with VAR itself, but rather applying to the technology to rules not designed with the technology in mind. Rules need to be updated accordingly. As you say the spirit of offside is to avoid “goal hanging”, so maybe now that we can review footage the rule needs to update to say open space between defender and attacker? Yes it favours the attacker more but does it hurt to get more goals and less debate of offside?

[@tamagonbagel6569]

Hojland celebrating by himself made me question whether I had miscounted penalties and United hadn't won yet lol

[@pompeygary]

They never seem to pick the third option level, it seems to be off or on side!!

[@akunwanneprosper7016]

The Bissaka line is on his shoe and not the front

[@jaden_shah]

IIRC; They actually HAVE the tech to automatically call balls and strikes in baseball (and I think there was a trial) but the powers that be opted not to use it for some reason. I just forget why.

[@Tris2000]

Great video as always. I watch all of your videos on this channel. I am looking forward to your take on the whole debacle of having a Luton fan be the VAR ref of a vital Everton-Nottingham Forest six-pointer. Which resulted in three decisions going Everton's way, which of course benefits Luton. Match of the Day 2 analysed the three decisions. If I remember correctly, they thought the VAR ref was right once, took Everton's side in a clear 50-50, and was blatantly wrong in the third one. Which brings into doubt not just the ref's integrity, but also the FA's wisdom in appointing him to video-officiate that game in the first place. I am not a fan of any of the teams involved (Crystal Palace fan here), but I find it very odd that people are accusing Nottingham Forest of being cry-babies, including the esteemed Alan Sheerer, when surely they are completely right to be peeved off. Looking forward to your take!

[@johanjonsson2190]

I wish VAR would have a line that equals about a 30cm or a foot in length. And if the "attacker" and the "defender" is not separated by more than that - then it is not offside. That could still be turned into a millimeter-debate, but hopefully not. And even if, it would be easier to accept

[@gaffer2602]

Or the full body part, instead of the smallest margins

[@augustomourao2486]

That is why Arsène Wenger came up with the idea to change the offside rule. The proposal is that the player needs to be fully offside for it to be called. I feel like it will improve things at the beginning, but the possible long-term effects scare me a little bit.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

You'd still have the same issue, except that instead of looking for the tip of his toe, you'd be looking for his back heel to determine if he was fully offside. The rule would still refer to the same question "how much of his body is in a certain position related to the second to last opposing player?" I think a bigger problem is the moment taken into account: the moment the ball is passed. Because the referees have to look at 2 things instead of just 1 thing: the moment the ball is hit, so eyes on the ball, but also the position of the attacking player when the ball is hit, so eyes on both the ball and the player. I think it would be easier if instead of the position of the player when the pass is initiated, people would look at the position of the player when he receives/touches the ball. That way, refs could look at one thing, since both the ball and the player would be in the same place.

[@augustomourao2486]

@@octavianpopescu4776 i agree the problem continues, but i do consider there'll be less iterations in general. It is not a definitive solution, but, in my eyes, a good enough temporary patch for the problem

[@nophone9311]

Sports should not have subjective rulings. I do not care if someone is offside by a toenail. If VAR can show it, then they are offside. You allow for subjectivity in the game, they you allow for biases and there is even more unfairness in the game. Spots are better when they are governed objectively.

[@claudecarlyle9284]

Where the lines are drawn and which frame is frozen is left to the discretion of the VAR officials, who also have to guess the exact millisecond the ball leaves the foot of the passing player, and not a single person before VAR would have thought that Coventry goal should be disallowed. VAR has changed the definition of offside - it was never intended to applied to the width of a toenail, which is why everyone used to always say that you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. If you can't tell the difference between that Coventry goal and Thierry Henry at home against Man Utd in 2002-03, we are watching a different sport.

[@jamiecharlton9961]

Backwards cap makes u look like skinny silent bob. U need a matrix jacket now

[@IAmThatBit--]

Skinny? 😅 Joking boss sorry

[@felixluevano7895]

Baseball Fans: How do we tell him? (Pitches being judged by cameras is coming in the coming years)

[@JuanNunez2023]

Zealand talking about American sports as if MLB umpires didn't exist.

[@thatissomeBS]

He literally spent a minute talking about MLB umpires.

[@Ind0ctrin]

A lot of people don't seem to understand what the lines actually mean. Blue line is of course over AWB's boot because the edge of the blue line is the tip of the boot, therefore the closest part of the player to his own goal.. The Purple line is the tip of the Coventry players boot closest to the goal he's attacking. If those two line DON'T merge, he's offside.. Its that simple yet some people still be doing the stupids.

[@mrfoofoo69]

I don't agree with Zealand saying it "ruined" the game. Offside is either yes or no, regardless of how far it is offside. Why is he not making more noise about the completely inconsistent rules applying to handball that was given against bissaka but not against grealish or young this same weekend... Handballs are ruining the game, not millimetre-offaide calls

[@GravelordWrust]

Yeah, it *is* technically offside, but you're also correct that it's ruining the game. I mean, if he's a half size shoe smaller, he's not offside in exactly the same position. It's stupid. There needs to be *some* leeway here.

[@gaffer2602]

It's offside, but VAR shouldn't have overruled the on field decision

[@Raider025]

So just to add to the comment about soccer/football officiating you made: Soccer/football is one of the hardest sports to officiate. So many calls on the pitch are subjective and open to interpretation. Very rare are the calls where you will have 100/100 referees in a room unanimously agree on a decision. That said, like you said in the video, VAR and the exact nature of calls such as offside is the deal with the devil everyone wanted with VAR. "Less egregious errors" was the promise and that is mostly being delivered. But such a desire has a price: and that price is being equally critical of the offside law.

[@NoName-rq6bg]

02:20 I hate Referee announcement in the MLS. I mean i get it for the NFL where everyone just watches it casually and always need to be explained the rules again but for Football its so obvious what the decision is, we don’t need the referee to explain and also not why because we can’t change it anyways and Football is not for casuals.

[@gaffer2602]

It's a good idea, but should only be used when the reasoning for the decision isn't obvious, like the clip that went viral recently where it was onside, but there was a foul in the buildup

[@zpapado97]

Same call at the Emirates against United.

[@dochiaz]

People don't care because they don't really care about it in principle, they care about it when it messes with a story they would have liked to see play out.

[@scottgray1806]

Totally agree, I thought VAR was brought in to aid refs who were not sure of an event on the field and the referee would review it and if it wasn't 100% obvious that it was the wrong call, the rule on the field stands to coin a NFL call. Eg two different examples, one Lampard shot against Germany, ball over the line Goal Ref and Linesman miss it no goal in the hands of Nauer or the incident Man Utd Coventry If it is to close to call the ruling on the field stands. VAR is ending up getting managers sacked or potentially saving someone from the sack, teams relegated, and some fans not watching games anymore. VAR is taking the romance out of the FA Cup. Man Utd manager doesn't believe that the game yesterday was embarrassing, being 3-0 up and should have been beaten 4-3. Not one player in that squad of Man Utd should have even bothered turning up next season because I would have sacked the entire team and played under 23s team until the end of the season. And the Lack of Class from Antonyi would sell him because that is not what Man Utd are about, if Ferguson was the Manager, remember 1983 Aberdeen had beaten Real Madrid in the final of the Cup Winners Cup 2-1 in extra-time and played Rangers in the Final of the Scottish Cup 3 days later and tore into his team because they only won the match 2-1. 'Disgraceful performance', Anthony's Arse would not have been allowed back in through the doors at Old Trafford let alone the Team Bus (old School) if Ferguson was the Manager.

[@gaffer2602]

You're totally correct with why VAR was brought in, and that's still how it should be used, according to IFAB

[@scotthayes8450]

They could potentially do some form of umpires (refs) call - like in cricket - where if those lines have a % covering of each other it's considered inconclusive and therefore umpires call. That way it keeps the call on field as important for the vibes, while removing big mistakes when someone's clearly offside. Also accounts a little for the uncertainty due to parallax from the camera angles. Obvs not perfect, but maybe a more balanced solution? Idk

[@deadlyz97]

Never thought id see Zealand talking about my team, shame it had to be after such a painful loss

[@georgetrakas5102]

Ya I like that too about baseball. But Angel Hernandez changed that feeling for me, and probably because of him, you can now contest strikes in Triple A ball. Its coming to the big leagues soon as well.

[@SamButler22]

Oh and the penalty was harsh as fuck, stonewall my arse

[@quesopasso]

As a United fan, I don't want my team to lose. But those United PLAYERS? They deserved to be beat by Coventry and that VAR decision was disgraceful. Another ref, another day, another opponent and United lose that game.

[@zackjones2683]

At the lower levels, umpires are no longer calling balls and strikes. It’s automated

[@MrMMAJER]

I'm with you on the takes about the two recent VAR calls. I don't know if we can talk about rigged stuff and conspiracies. But there's something that is 100% true, the inconsistency in calls is absolutely outrageous and insufferable.

[@spsawyer22]

It's being implemented incorrectly. They claim they want a bit of human error (allowing the ref to decide whether to change his opinion) but they've implemented a process that ruins that by having VAR (more potential for bias/inconsistencies) talk to the ref. How about you scrap the VAR room, and just allow the ref to view replays based on "coaches" challenges? That way the ref has total control of his decisions and isn't getting second guessed constantly, AND it allows teams to challenge calls they think are wrong

[@JimTheFly]

Balls and Strikes is not a good comparison after the Angel Hernandez bastardcrass (it's like a masterclass but everything is wrong) in pitch calling where he called a pitch a strike that was over a half-foot outside of the strike zone. Soon after, Jeff Passan from ESPN was making the rounds of shows talking about how there's even more call for the Automatic Balls & Strikes system from the minor leagues to be put into use, and how young players are saying things about how calling balls & strikes is so much better in the minors than in the majors and it's BECAUSE of the accuracy of the automated systems. Also, Haji was even, Antony is a joke, and Harry Maguire showed a captain's level of class at the end there.

[@IRLREAPER]

This is not how VAR is ruining football. This is the whole reason VAR was brought in after all. What ruins football is the incompetent referring that still occurs even with VAR involved. The Grealish penalty shout is a great example. Clearly a handball yet no penalty, but even funnier, the VAR clearly sees that the ball hit Grealish, but doesn't tell the ref that it's a corner, so it goes ahead as a goal kick. If you're gonna let VAR intervene for offsides, which in the Coventry City case is the most miniscule offside in the world admitedly, then how come it can't intervene for something that is clearly a corner, let alone a penalty. VAR is not the issue, bad officiating and a lack of clear certainty is and always will be the issue.

[@IRLREAPER]

Also, with offside there is a clear black and white, you are either offside or you are not offside. How come handballs aren't the same. The ball either hits a hand or arm, or it doesn't and if the ball hits the arm in the box, it's a penalty. Simple, instead the subjective opinion of the referee comes into it and gives the Wan-Bisakka handball as a pen and not the Grealish handball. Black and white calls are not a bad thing.

[@gaffer2602]

This is not how VAR should be used. It's not an opinion, it's the Laws of the Game

[@Mackerdaymia]

Couldn't agree more, Z. VAR is the death of football as a spectacle. Not enough people care though because the average fan consumes the game in highlights these days anyway.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

So football is only a spectacle when referees make mistakes that favour the underdog, just because people are so much in love of this underdog stuff? VAR made the correct decision in this case. It is what it is. Plus, it wasn't VAR that lost Coventry the match, it was them missing 2 penalties.

[@Mackerdaymia]

@@octavianpopescu4776 It's about the spirit of the game. At full speed everyone can see that it looks onside, a millimetre at that speed is 1/1000th of a second. And who decides what frame is used for the "ball being played"? When you drill down, in spite of all this supposed accuracy, it's still subjective so therefore, bin the whole thing. Referees were correct 96% of the time anyway, now it's up to 98%, so still not always right. For that 2 percent, we've ruined football.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@Mackerdaymia The spirit of the game cannot overrule the laws of the game. Both matter. He looks onside, but isn't actually onside. He's offside. Football isn't ruined at all, in fact, I'd say VAR is a step forward in ending referee mistakes. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. That 96% isn't enough, 98% isn't enough, it should be as close as possible to 100%. Those centimeters do and should matter. Otherwise, we'll just have a lot of anger that team X was cheated at one time or another. The English are still bitter about Maradona's goal in 1986 and rightfully so. Germans are still angry about the 1966 final. And the list goes on. A match should be decided on the pitch by the players, not through referee mistakes that some apparently think are charming. They're not. And let's be honest here: this is just people who are disappointed they didn't get their underdog story. Coventry didn't lose because of that 1 moment: they lost by conceding 3 goals and missing 2 penalties. A football match is player for 90/120 minutes, not just for one moment.

[@Mackerdaymia]

@@octavianpopescu4776 You can have your sanitised, hyperreal football product and keep it as far as I'm concerened. If those few percentage points (bare in mind, that's a handful of decisions a season) are really worth having to review every single minor infraction for minutes, turning games into a snoozefest of waiting for coloured lines, then the game is yours to have fun with. Time and time again, it's shown that the linesman called it right and yet we're going to upend the whole structure of a football match and deny the most climactic moment just because they very occasionally get it wrong. I'm sure you've felt that feeling of not being able to celebrate anymore because you know it'll be checked to see if one of the knee hairs of a player 20 yards away from the play is a micron beyond the forcefield. It's bizarre. How do you even train human beings to interact with such a system? Coaches are simply relying on luck now. You can time your run as perfectly as humanly possible but still be denied a goal that is level to the human eye but the AI ref judges it offside. You should go and maybe read the rulebook as you seem so fond of them. Until VAR, these things were always subjective. Even now, the vast majority of infractions are up to the referee. The more we lean on technology and away from the human element, the more we use the rech to inform the rules, not the other way round as it should be. That's what's meant by the spirit of the game and you're dead wrong, that comes before the rules every damn time.

[@akunwanneprosper7016]

Semi Automated will count that as a goal

[@scottbrayton9484]

I believe that in american football they give a touchdown to a player as long as even a single camera angle shows them in bounds. (im a super casual dont sue me if im wrong). I wouldn't want that exact system in real football, but there could be a like 40% of available camera angles or something idk.

[@lukedrewry6509]

cov fan here, was the greatest game of football I ever watched in person. The feeling when that 4th goal went in was incredible. I knew what it was like for your team to be in the fa cup final if only for 30 seconds. pusb

[@Izahdnb]

In field hockey they have a system where team A can ask for a review of a certain action if they think it's not within the rules. But if they are wrong, they lose their power to ask for a review.

[@sumandark8600]

You can't have "leeway" with something that's binary like offside since by definition it needs to have a strict cut off. There's no grey when it comes to binary operations like that. It's only black or white, true or false, offside or inside. "leeway" would just mean changing the definition of what is offside & you'd still have these same discussions

[@coffeebot2431]

15:31 Don't forgot how Harry Maguire was made fun of by the Ghanaian parliament

[@frankopanklaric]

If this game ever becomes "vibes" and objectivity being thrown out the window then I am done. Funny thing, when Man U had a goal deleted against arsenal in the same situation no one cared.

[@seanstimpson5420]

We’ve found Erik Seven Hags burner account!

[@The28studio]

Because no one cares about united.

[@ItsOctoberr]

@@The28studio Then shut up about us then ya daftys.

[@frankopanklaric]

@@The28studio Yet, here you are...

[@frankopanklaric]

@@seanstimpson5420 I've found generic assna fan 5420.

[@reverendroar]

The game being subjective has died ages ago Zealand - Football is now a mathematical game like American Football now. I think VAR should be more like TMO - where it isn’t frame by frame and instead refs have to be subjective to keep the flow up in rugby

[@house382]

Offsides needs to be torsos, not limbs. It is maddening to me when a defender can be caught flat-footed and straight up and be saved by an attacker who happen to lean just a bit too far. That defender is beat in every single way but because of how the rules (laws for you 'um, ackchewally's') are written they are bailed out every time. It is the only rule out there that isn't slanted the attacking players way. I was a defender at different levels for a decade and it still drives me nuts.

[@TheDieseI]

Maybe the solution to offsides is to take a page from Hockey. 1 static offside line on each end about 25-30 yards out, you can be offside if you go too early past that line and the ball is outside 25-30 yards, but theres no offsides within that line. The spirit of the offside rule is to prevent cherrypicking, which would still be prevented, and having a hard line that never moves makes it easier to call

[@jamesrodriguez514]

Football already has that. It's the mid line of the pitch. I don't think you understand how dramatically the game would change if you made 2 lines closer to the goals.

[@Flair5010]

I feel like we should use the rule of advantage to the attacker, so if any part of the attacker is level witn the defender, it just counts as onside. Kinda like all of the ball having to go off the pitch to be considered out of bounds. A clear gap should be there, if you can't work it out then it's not a clear and obvious error so the goal could stand anyway

[@mortiphago]

Yesterday's River Boca also has an interesting goal line technology call

[@lmpeto94]

Actually, when you look at the defenders pose. His hand might actually void the offside.

[@StandardRossoneri]

Not Z talking about this and not The Milan Sassuolo game

[@JtotheDoubleL]

Challenges to balls and strikes are going to be added to the MLB btw

[@TheCommentor-]

1000 views in 20 minutes, that’s actually pretty good no fall off here

[@SomeRandomBod]

U kno why it’s changed, who’s money has poured into the game?. I’d go with daylight between strikers & defenders for the offside rule.

[@tobym1688]

Just call me the measurement police but you literally can't measure offsides with any accuracy, only with precision. They pause the video as the ball has left the boot of the attacker but in the next frame it can have moved by a couple of metres so it could have actually left the boot of the attacker at any time between frames, between two frames of video an attacker can move his leg about half a metre at most so that's the limit that you could measure accuracy to. Drawing lines has always given a precise answer to a millimeter but it's never been accurate, we need a couple of video slow mos and eye judgement only, benefit given to the attacker if its too close to call, semi-automated offside calls will have the exact same problem

[@schindlerteejay94]

The Offside rule should definitely be changed so that if the players entire body is offside instead of just a foot, arm, or toes being offside.

[@danm2756]

Na bro

[@menpod]

All that does is just shift the boundary slightly forward. There were still be millimetre margins, you’re just moving the offside line back

[@schindlerteejay94]

@@menpod And changing it so that it’ll be easier to understand, nothing to do with the lines, just the position of the offside offender, so that the entire body could be offside instead of just a either a limb or something as small as a foot or a hand.

[@JtotheDoubleL]

this is the worst solution to the problem lmao

[@explodethebomb]

As a Manchester United fan, I agree. VAR should only overturn "clear and obvious errors", which that offside definitely wasn't

[@thalente8074]

Like the penalty on AWB

[@explodethebomb]

@@thalente8074 The ref gave the pen, so VAR changed nothing in that regard

[@thalente8074]

@@explodethebomb yeah but the inconsistencies in VAR has ruined so many games this season

[@KUJK13]

Goal line tech is great but it opened the door for this - football is great because it is universal - there should be no difference in what a goal is on a playground and in the Champions league final

[@TheDieseI]

I mean, on the playground you can be a good yard or 2 off and itll count idk if we want that lmao

[@AngryAnt0]

Never as a Coventry fan did I think you'd talk about our club. Do I think it's wrong? Yes, because of the line going over his foot with the freeze frame showing it hasn't even been kicked (and another video filmed by a Manchester fan in the stands, showing he's onside). It was an incredible match and I was happy to be in the stands, the result aside all I felt was pride of my club, where we've come from just 7 short years ago to where we are now and the fact every single fan stayed to clap the players (while the other side had already emptied out). We might have lost the game, but I feel we were the better team, can hold our heads up high and we've won a lot of fans in the world of football (hopefully many more big days out to come). In Robins we trust. Also like you said, huge huge respect to Maguire for shaking hands, that right away made me like him as a person. The respect he showed for other players, massive fair play to him. I fully think that tech should be in sport to make it fair, but only when there's a "clear and obvious error" (as a random example, a goal going over the line but being missed by the refs etc). Also as someone has said, if you haven't, take a look into our history as a club, the last 25 years have just been abhorrent and the rise, well, you can't have the highs without the lows I guess. Four trips to Wembley in recent years, from the depths of league 2 and asset stripping, to a almost FA cup final (gotta have that TV audience I guess) and a pen kick away from the 'promised land'.

[@MichaelOcherz]

Struggled with this one as a United fan second and a football fan first. Part of that was wanting the romanticism of Coventry in the cup final, the other part was not wanting the depression caused by watching us inevitably get battered by City 70% of the time in the final.

[@maxl.b.m.y.g.5918]

Even the NFL has non-reviewable plays

[@ameladolnz7784]

i would be on board with the baseball thing but Ángel Hernández exists so...

[@SuperJJAlexander]

Good thing the offside rule will be changed. And to get called for offside the attacker's body will have to be completely between the body of second to last opponent and the end of the pitch. And hopefully VAR will only be allowed to intervene when the linesman seems to have missed an obvious call, like when the atracker is nowhere near to having his whole body behind the second to last opponnent.

[@vex355u_fan]

Would be interested in your take on the non-call on Reyna in the NF game, especially in light of your recent vids on "This has to Stop" and "VAR has ruined everything"

[@Adam-l2g]

Whenever I hear the term "stone cold" I think of Stone Cold Steve Austin who is a wrestler and actor 🤣🤣🤣

[@TarovGaming]

Smashing beers!

[@Adam-l2g]

@@TarovGaming Yeaaaah!!!

[@maxgreineder9867]

United fan here. Watched the game and shut it off before the VAR even started out of frustration, only to come back like an hour later to find we won. The whole thing felt so cheap, like it wasn’t earned at all. I’m happy obviously, especially for Bruno Fernandes who I thought had a great game, but it just felt off. Would never root against my team but I had accepted Coventry had won and to see them not feels strange

[@MasonMcGowan95]

Zealand I feel you man. As an American if we fall in love with the game, we have to go out of our way, but I love it. And it’s crazy, because for the amount of people complaining about commercials… soccer is 45+ mins of no commercial breaks lol

[@matheusfiorelli8829]

To be honest, i like that offsides arr objective, cause its literally the of the only rules that are objective in this sport, (together with ball/line placement) 13:26 also, absolutelly not in every playground its a goal, cause without VAR we have to trust the ref did the right call, and we all know how that goes.....

[@innocento.1552]

I don't enjoy football matches anymore, because even if a team scores, you can't scream goaaaaaal, because it can be cancelled for some ridiculous reasons. You don't know what to expect anymore

[@NihilistCrab]

It's awful. I almost don't want to get promoted back to the prem because of how miserable an experience it is. We've had some properly hideous decisions against us this season in the championship - but none of them have made me want to go back to dealing with var.

[@shish7755]

So you like seeing teams score illegal goals? Really dumb if you ask me

[@NihilistCrab]

@@shish7755 it beats having the same boring debates about var after every fucking match - it's a bigger story than the actual football most weekends. It ruins the experience as a match going fan, strips the emotion out of the game and ruins the flow of matches. Then still makes big mistakes half the time anyway. It's implemented in the most joyless way possible, obvious fouls are often ignored but every goal is scrutinised for the most minute reason to cancel it and has created more problems than solutions.

[@akunwanneprosper7016]

ETH chaotic football

[@martinblank6623]

The line is on his foot.

[@Truman5555]

"Man, I wish American business people would invest in soccer!" :Monkey's Paw curls:

[@SeriousKaliber]

Zealand, will you talk about the olympiakos u19s champions league win? since its like the weirdest team to win it imo at least

[@chucibob1]

Heaven forbid antony celebrates. I love that he has passion for united. no issues with him celebrating.

[@randiebarsteward9406]

Solution: Ref/linesman makes an on field decision based on what they see. VAR panel has 30 seconds to make a decision to refer a potential error to the on field ref, unanimous decision needed and no lines allowed to be drawn. They then refer to the ref for review, confirm onside or issue a 'too close to call' decision and go with the on field call. Done.

[@CadarnTheMad1810]

Z - you need to look into ehats happened to Coventry in the last 25 years, In a very brief summary, very bad owners taking money out of the club, from the premier league to league 2 with the "new" owners also messing with the club taking money out and asset selling, becoming nomads playing in Northampton and Birmingham, then the return of the King, Mark robins, and the rise back up the leagues, and yet another new owner............