The gaming PC I would build if I wasn't a privileged YouTuber

[@danielowentech]

Here's a follow-up video where I show how to cut this build down to various price points as low as $650: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHKTlXSbjrhqhqs

[@antipathy17]

I really disliked my 9600k purchase. It seems like the 8600k would have been a better choice. Last month i replace it with a 12600k and all my games are running way better.

[@jjhill001]

7800xt over the 4070 if doing it today right?

[@phiphedude7684]

I've built in the CC560 before and it's what you would expect for the price: break off expansion slots, cheap flexible metal sheets. But for the price, including 4 fans, good airflow, tempered glass etc its so good

[@yumri4]

Really until i read it a few times i thought you were talking about a intel C series chipset to which the Intel W series chipset is better. The case CC560 is ok ish but i would rather go with a Factual Design R7 XL mostly for internal space with the ease of front I/O a 2nd benefit to it. The reason for it is it is a good air flow and AIO cooling case. It also supports longer GPUs and taller components. As the case should be good for another 20 ~ 30 years. A case is like a monitor but lots less able to actually break unless you force it to. As the case is steel it pretty much will not break.

[@Cryptonite26]

@@yumri4 Don't know why but I just wanted to share this here, probably about the comment of a case lasting so 20~30 years. I think I have my case I'm probably gonna use for the foreseeable future. Most anything will fit. The CM Storm trooper from coolermaster was probably one of my best purchases. I have the one with the windowed side panel though. it's big enough to comfortably fit my Asrock X470 Taichi which I bought specifically because I have accumulated a lot of 2 TB hdds over the years and have a massive media on my pc for when network outages occur here in SA. We're not so privileged to have great internet all the time. my only option atm is 4G / LTE. Main reason the Taichi stood out for me was the 2 additional sata ports that do not even disable with all M.2 slots occupied. so yay 8 SATA ports. so six of those have 2 TB drives in them while another has a 4 TB and one is connected to the awesome 2.5inch HDD docking station built into the case. I do pc repairs and data recovery as a side project from my dayjob and man has this 2.5 inch dock worked its ass of so far haha. just glad it's still in such great condition considering I've had it since 2017 (I know it was old by then) I've had a gtx 1070 RoG strix in there with quite a bit of headroom and now I'm rocking an XFX Qick 319 RX 6800 in the case (bought secondhand for the price of a 3060). I'm even happy with the fit of the RX 6800 even more since I have my harddrives mounted to disconnect from the right side of the case and slide in and out so that I have easy access to a harddrive bay when I need one the 6800 kinda does not need an anti sag bracket since the card's cooler is just slightly above a border of the drive bay that will hold it once it sags a very small amount. Case stays cool as well with our South African summers I still rock stock coolers though my CPU is only an R5 5500 since it was a dirt cheap upgrade and I could build my second pc that is a little more portable with an old OLD handle case I can use for shorter LAN gaming sessions where I don't feel like carrying the bigboy with me (The CM Stormtrooper also has a meta handle with rubber padding however it's a heavy rugged case filled with 3.5" HDDs) I'm sorry for this long irrelevant post. I just felt like sharing my experience with a great case and had to give some idea of the components inside also so you can figure out what kind of person finds the CM stormtrooper appealing and why. (I do take it to LANs as well especially the bigger ones) the handle is great quality. so I'm a pc enthusiast or whatever you want to call me I am passionate about building pc's and troubleshooting them, it can be challenging at times but it's fun non the less. anyways. I only do light gaming mostly league of legends and some CSGO. but it's great to have a pc that no matter what I want to play and how demanding it is I can launch a game and have a VERY decent time with it with no issues whatsoever (still love tinkering with the settings most of the time to see how far I can push it though) also just incase someone wants to comment that I only have HDDs in my PC. I did say both M.2 slots are occupied. also personal experience, 16GB ram is still okay but I felt the difference when I had 32GB and had a few hundred tabs open in firefox while doing other intensive stuff alongside my browser staying open 24/7. (16gb went to the secondary pc)

[@flipdry]

​@@yumri4meh, a case is a box for your components to go in as long as they don't get damaged and are within temp specs, it's doing it's job. I wouldn't recommend a $100+ case to someone building a $600 computer because "it will be good for 10-20 years" a $50 case will last as long if you don't abuse it. I have ATX cases from the year 2000 that were cheap then and still fit modern components in them now without detriment. I'm not saying cheap out on a case as I have a Lian o11 air mini, but I could get away using a $50 case just as well.

[@yumri4]

​@@flipdryThe only reason why i go with the Factual Design R7 XL is the front having 2 5 1/4" bay and the motherboard tray big enough for EEB and EATX it is basically just a case that supports using 2 240mm AIOs without blocking the PSU. For me the 5 1/2" front bays are important I do wish the cost was cheaper as a 200USD case is as expensive as some of my complete windows PCs though mini PCs are cheap as they tend to stay around 100 to 300USD for the entire system.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

@@flipdry I bought a NZXT H510 because it was a bit discounted (still 80€ I think) and had really nice solutions to hide/manage cables, removable dust filters, good enough fan slots and other small details. I'm really happy with it except for the glass panel being hard to remove sometimes. I don't see myself ever changing this case because it has everything I want. You're right when you're on a tight budget you can't overspend on the case, but a quality case can save you a bit of trouble on every upgrade. The thing is you can get really good cases for ~$60, there is no reason to go for the cheapest $30 one except if it's a used quality one.

[@pranavmohite8544]

Lucky Students!

[@ashishgoyal8655]

Wdym

[@RuyGedares_GuyRedares]

​@@ashishgoyal8655This advice will serve me well for my next upgrade in half a decade. It's a good baseline at least.

[@SaswattParasharr]

​@@ashishgoyal8655Daniel is a maths teacher and he's saying his students must be lucky to have him as a maths teacher

[@pranavmohite8544]

@@SaswattParasharr thanks!

[@Szymks]

Please make more of these videos where you make builds on pc part picker! They're so fun to watch and I learn so much useful info from them

[@HANI849]

Would a great weekly series

[@Tigermania]

Keeping your system until your upgrade parts are X2 better is good advice and the way I go. I like to enter a new platform that is twice as fast as my old system at the low end, that way there are also CPU upgrades down the line guaranteed. At the moment I have a 1600af CPU but will max out the am4 motherboard with the 5800x3d which is near competing with a am5 socket 7600 cpu so a good final am4 upgrade. In my experience a 10% upgrade is something you can just notice(not good) but a 200% upgrade you can enjoy.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

I went from 3600X to 5800X3D and the uplift in the CPU heavy games I was getting it for I had massive performance boosts ranging from 50-100% increase while also reducing power consumption. Also don't forget the relation, the 7600X is on average ~5% faster than 5800X3D (Hardware unboxed data) but that's when paired with a 4090. My price limit would be more along the lines of a 4070 and then you'll likely have virtually no improvement except for hand selected CPU heavy games like I did. And even then buying a new MB and RAM is going to cost you a lot more.

[@Real_MisterSir]

For the CS560 it is unfortunate that they put 3 fans in the front but then decide to block 60% of their airflow capacity by the only partially meshed front panel - which forces the fans to spin much higher than you'd like. I would recommend drilling a bunch of holes in it manually just for this reason alone so you can lower the db level. With low power hardware the thermals aren't going to be a big problem, but if you want to upgrade down the line then it's unfortunate to lock yourself in a case that is limited by default, when the difference is only 10-20 bucks up front between a compromised case, and a solid case with good longevity for future upgrade path. Also on the note of Corsair power supplies, any of their units that use the "gen 4" PCIe connectors can use the 12VHPWR cable that they sell independently. I bought a 12VH cable directly from Corsair for my RM750 from 2019 and it is great, so much better than the Nvidia dongle adapter that my 4080 shipped with - the Corsair cable works like any other PCIe cable and can bend with zero clearance issues and is all in all very high quality (and you can get them sleeved from Corsair directly, no need for 3rd party like cablemod).

[@parkerbrady2617]

Only tip I would give is that you should pretty much ignore every cpu motherboard combo in build guides if you live near a micro center. Their bundles for cpu motherboards and memory are such a good deal. The 7700x right now is $399 and comes with a motherboard and a 32gb ddr5 ram kit. That is over $20 cheaper than what he has pictured here for a better cpu a better motherboard and similar ram all on the same platform. Great build guide though for those not near a micro center!

[@biznisman7049]

That is how I got my RIG. I bought a COMBO deal, Ryzen 5 7600X + AORUS 650 ELITE AX + 2x16 GB @ 5600 CL36 Kingston Fury

[@rakibshahid7913]

Micro center is a blessing. Feel sorry for those in places without one lol

[@cmdrlawliet3552]

Man, Micro Center sounds fucking awesome. We don't really have anything close to it in Australia, of course, we've got PC hardware stores, but nothing as grand and dedicated as Micro Center.

[@rakibshahid7913]

@@cmdrlawliet3552 they absolutely are. im blessed af and theres one a few minutes away from my uni that i go to weekly lol

[@davidjohnson5362]

That’s great, however, most viewers do not have a Micro Center to shop at. Thanks Daniel for reaching the broader audience.

[@jamesfilms_]

I built my first PC back in January after a lot of research (your channel helped with that!) and am pleasantly surprised by how similar it is to this. Mine’s just slighter higher end + I spent money on aesthetics & overkill cooling lol. Even using WQHD too.

[@chrispittmanComputing]

Don't cheap out on the motherboard to much. The VRMs on the cheaper boards might effect your future upgrade ability. You don't need to go high end but buying bottom of the barrel can cause issues for higher end cpu's.

[@wumbology72]

yep im on a b450 from my old build that i slapped a 5800x3d into, i hear there is issues on cheaper b450s with VRMs overheating but mine has a heatsink for them. also i cant enable xmp on quad channel 3600 ram so my timings are pretty bad.

[@TheRealXXDarknezz]

Yeah I bought a decent lower middle motherboard for mine for a 10400f initially, no problems at all. But I upgraded to 10700k even without oc the MOSFET-VRMS overheated under synthetical Benchmarks (Prime95..) . However , for only gaming it still is fine. So if you ever want to upgrade to a higher end cpu and do more cpu intensive tasks in the future, you might want to go with a higher end motherboard.

[@naomy1701]

@@wumbology72 id highly recommend switching to 2 DIMMs instead, as 3600 labeled RAM usualy only runs on 3600 with XMP/DCMP enabled, else it gets droped to the "common" frequency which is 2666 or smth in that ballpark if i rmember correct. be as it is, a 5800x3d should be getting enough benefit from running dual channel XMP enabled 3600 RAM to make it a worthwhile upgrade. with how low RAM prices are now, its not a far stretch honestly, so if u run like 4x8 atm, switch to 2x16 and so on, and make sure the 2 DIMMs are the same, better yet come in one pack, as then the variations (even in diff batches from same model) can mess up stability, and that way are as minimal as can be ^^

[@naomy1701]

@@TechTusiast sadly expenive is not equal to quality anymore these days, Manufacturers just dont give a damn about the customers anymore in the grand picture of things -.-

[@wumbology72]

@@naomy1701 I manually swapped it to 3600mhz and it runs fine, but lowering the timings at all makes my pc not boot

[@thecooljohn100]

Amazing video. Things like this help a lot of people. Anyone who's relatively new should still look up video or written reviews for parts they are considering!!

[@Sir-Prizse]

That's insane, you put together the exact PC I had build last month... had gotten a good deal on the RTX 4070. Apparently, I did a good job of putting this together.

[@BillyBob-xx4xq]

In 2014, my brother picked out a quick pick for my first build, I picked out a random cool looking case, and I paid for it, put it together with friends, and the results are still insane, "upgraded" to a 1050 Ti and still runs some games, runs smoothly, all 7 fans over the years, cleaning, taking apart, putting together, and finally building a new, beautiful 1440p gaming machine, LOADS of knowledge

[@BRxRanger]

My favourite case atm is the lian li 216. Great airflow and aio support, with added feature of choosing where you want your front usb, a great feature for desk or floor.

[@Denominus]

Power supplies are one of those things that can genuinely have a lot of future proofing on them if you don’t skimp too much. I bought a 1000W Cooler Master PSU 12 years ago, and it’s still in full time use! I’ve had to clean it out and put machine oil in the fan once. It’s not as efficient as a recent PSUs, but these things can last a really long time if built well.

[@TheKims82]

Did upgrade from 8700K and 3060 to R5 7600 and 6950XT. Managed 90-100fps in BF2042 with DLSS quality and i now have 200+fps on a 1440P ultrawide. When i got the 6950XT it was $100 cheaper than a 4070 so i feel like i got a good deal.

[@thunderp1719]

🤣🤣 100 bucks cheaper..don't joke around 🤣

[@TheKims82]

@@thunderp1719 What do you mean?

[@andersjjensen]

@@thunderp1719 Now everyone lives in the US, and everyone in the US does not shop on Newegg and Amazon. I've heard from several people in the US that their local Microcenter often does absurd deals on RDNA2 stock. Either open-box or "just because".

[@gamingoptimized]

I have also regretted going for the GTX 1060 back in the day, as the rx 580 is much better now!

[@GewelReal]

You enjoyed a better product for 5+ years. Time to upgrade

[@GoonyMclinux]

​@@GewelRealI used both and the 580 was my go to, it just had more horsepower.

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

Noice, RX5500XT is alternative option for RX580

[@GoonyMclinux]

@@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh it is, I have one for a backup just in case, decent budget card.

[@retakleksum111]

no offense but we talk about 300$ here and both cards are too slow today for 1080p high anyways. there are others things in life you should regret but not kindergarden like this.

[@ocha-time]

Here's what you do. 12100f, 32GB DDR4@3200MHz, 6700XT, 650w PSU, case SSD H610-M mobo, $675 off the shelf. Crush everything at 1080p and almost everything at 1440p, apply liberal FSR 2.1 for weirdos like Ratchet & Clank. Can't lose. That's $75 more than a 4070 alone.

[@jiml6822]

in eary 2022, i bought a 3070 (8GB) at Microcenter replacing a 2060. After installing it, I was able to get a 6800XT (16GB) reference card directly from AMD at MRSP . I was able return the 3070 to Microcenter. So glad I did. Now I just replaced my 3600 with a 5600X3D (Microcenter exclusive). I am very happy at 1440p!

[@kendric_BUF]

Funny coincidence we built and had similar pc's around the same time late 2018-2019. I had a 9600k like you, but then a 2060 super instead. I was in the same boat, super green when it came to pc building knowledge. Just roughly followed a build guide online. Thanks to yours and few other yt channels, my purchase decisions are way more informed. Cheers Brother!

[@kennyakatyler]

I'm building a very similar build with the Ryzen 5 7600x and RTX 4070 Founders Edition. I've been finding most of my parts on sale/with deals, and I'm still coming close to $1300. Haven't built a PC in over 10 years, so I'm excited for the upgrade.

[@Haddley333]

What resolution do you plan to game on? Just curious

[@rl53]

Here in Europe between the build isnt that much more expensive between 5 7600 7 7700 depending on the graphics & usage, will you get more performance I can't answer as in a similar position & tech has moved on so much.

[@mjtan6787]

I have the ryzen 7600 and the 4070. Great combo! I got the idea from pc builder channel. The price is just right, although the 4070 could be cheaper but the price isn't going down

[@vergarajeremy]

Just built a PC with 4070 and 7600x. Spent almost 1400€. It was worth it.

[@Order..66]

I have the 7700x and RX 6800. Runs every game I play at 1080p ultra.

[@trashcleaner]

Check for nvme generation. Pcie 4 is the same price pretty much, 5gbps instead of 3gbps.

[@parkour267]

am5 bb. i got the same oloy ram and its fantastic. got a 5000mb nvme for 50 bucks. got the 7800x3d and might match with the 4070 but waiting to see launch of 7800 ratheon. really wanted 16gb vram but might choose nvidea as to not upgrade my 650w psu.

[@beemrmem3]

I would recommend a 750W power supply. Just in case you decide to go with the more high-end GPU in the future. Like an 80 series.

[@leroyjenkins0736]

I'm running a Rx 7900 xtx on a 700 watt PSU, most requirements are a lie. Just get a lower wattage good brand one. (Unless you use a high-end intel cpu offcourse)

[@ag8912]

@@leroyjenkins0736 what CPU are you using? The 7900 XTX can have some nasty power spikes and 700 watts seems a bit risky to me.

[@leroyjenkins0736]

@@ag8912 got a Ryzen 5800x3D even a rtx 4090 ran fine just buy a good brand and you will be fine. The only card that had a problem with in my pc was a rtx 3090ti

[@vicroads3465]

@@ag8912I’m running a 7900xtx on a 550w msi power supply and I haven’t had a problem. Got a Ryzen 5600 overclocked to 4.7ghz and it pulls 100w sometimes

[@ag8912]

@vicroads3465 interesting, but then again the 5600 is crazy efficient lol What resolution do you play at? Do you get any bottleneck at all?

[@gruiadevil]

Hey Daniel You can sort Memory by Cas-Latency and Speed You can sort Storage by interface (PCIe4.0x4 for your case scenario, since B650 doesn't use 3.0 anymore)

[@naomy1701]

u can run NVMe M.2 made for PCIe 3.0 in 4.0 slots no problems whatsoever, gladly its backwards compatable

[@Lobardan]

@@naomy1701 Yeah but you might as well get a 4.0 ssd if you have a 4.0 motherboard

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Lobardan generally yea, but there are some factors like price and reliability that can mean more than just the outright speed rating. In some cases I'd rather take a high end gen 3 drive than a low end gen 4 depending on the usecase. In general tho nvme drives are so cheap these days that this shouldn't be what breaks anyone's budget so just go with whatever offers the best combination of capacity, speed, and reliability within your general budget.

[@rl53]

I build a Skylake system around the upgrade path that I never had to use, I feel 80% of PC users do this thinking they will upgrade components but never do as the tech is goo enough & could save more money for other parts. I never needed anything faster than USB 2 or NVME 3 as they were fast enough for my usage. It obviously differs person to person but FOMO makes us think we need tech way beyond what we actually use through marketing BS.

[@airellevan9684]

Tip: Avoid the B650M-K, It's VRM aren't good, Hardware Unboxed did a B650 round up that you should watch

[@TheModeRed]

Building my most desired PC would cost $2500, 7800x3d and 7900xtx instead of 4090. This is exactly what I paid for a 5900x 3080 prebuilt in 2021 during Covid. Not quite a 2X increase in power (far from it --I'd need to wait another year or two for that) but still a great PC.

[@sandornyemcsok4168]

13:40 that CAS latency actually does not really matter, because of the burst read mode. What really matter are the other numbers, the tRCD-tRPD-tRAS, and then the secondary, terciary and quaternary timings if you buy a more expensive kit or manually tune those timings. (Buildzoid made a video about it). 15:28 a more expensive AMD motherboard (for example Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX) can handle Intel certified (with XMP profile) DDR5 kits very well too.

[@gamester0123]

Just FYI Intel is supporting 3 CPU gens in 1 socket. Kinda equal or more than what the AM5 claims are. Nothing beats AM4 support

[@madguitarist]

The ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2+ is as good as a budget B650 board for the money. It also supports 120W X3D Zen 4 parts, and has multiple M.2 slots, rear 3.2 Gen 2 type-C I/O and front headers for it. Also has a heatsink on the VRMs. If you wanna go ultra budget with upgrade path, then this and the ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 are the way to do it. Also, your 2070 is still a decent GPU and will perform really well with a better CPU like the 7600.

[@mikeenslin3009]

for 1440p ultrawide the 2070 is not gonna hold up all that well when it comes to modern games. I dont think the cpu change one its own is gonna change much, i had a r7 2700x and a 5700xt and the cpu was rarely over 30% when gaming.

[@madguitarist]

@@mikeenslin3009 the 2070 usually pulled off minor wins over the 5700 XT in fps, and for 1080p and regular 1440p, it's still a decent card to tide a person over. Plus, with DLSS and/or FSR, you can get a bit more out of it until a cheap upgrade presents itself. The higher core IPC and clock speeds of Zen 4 will give the GPU a bit of a boost over 2nd gen. Ryzen regardless though. For most games, fast single core clocks will prevail. That's how Intel dominated gaming for so long, despite Ryzen having better productivity numbers.

[@ziokalco]

I'm also on the cheap out on motherboards camp. I do care about features, but often times low-mid motherboards already pack pretty much everything.

[@Sp3cialk304]

The ddr5 5600 cl32 from TForce Vulcan for $80-$85 is Hynix M die. If you are ok with setting timings and speedanually it's really good. It gets 5600 cl32-36-36-76 at only 1.2v. It's very overclockable.

[@5258scr]

Daniel, you're a great man and so straightforward and fair. I can't wait to see your channel blow up, and it will because of you. You're a more pleasant, less frilly version of tech tube that I miss.

[@u0aol1]

I just upgraded to a Ryzen 9 7900 and 4080 with 32gb from a Ryzen 5 2400g+16504gb+16gb. Honestly was very happy with the Ryzen 5 build while I had it and wouldn't have an issue recommending it. Don't get a 1650 though.

[@TerribleGamesTV2]

teamgroup has been starting to get a reputation, i've seen sponsor segments for them from gamersnexus

[@Seizuqi]

Is it just me or am i starting to notice a trend between teachers / former teachers and youtubers. Its almost as if they something in common lol, cool vid

[@hzwinip]

Daniel said before that he bought all the gear to teach online when everyone had to stay home. Didnt wanna let it go to waste. Lol. Probably many in similar scenerios. Hes a natural for sure.

[@spehrson]

fellow teacher, pretty similar level of system in mid-2019. Ryzen 5 3600 and RTX 2060 Super. I did get a raise and now have a 4070 Ti and 5800X3D

[@primitive1189]

I can recommend the Deepcool CC560! I used it in my first build and it was quite lovely to use.

[@andredaedone5]

The last PC I built was Skylake until recently, I built a nice setup for about 1700 including a 34 inch curved LG monitor.

[@dummyxl]

I do think the old cpu cooler doesn't have the am5 mounting brackets.

[@conza1989]

My last upgrade was +230% in performance, so triple, and that's if I count the 80 class of the generation I was on the 70 class. The GPU was 4 years old, let's say 5 years to round up. It has now been 7 years, to make the same jump, GTX 680 to GTX 1080ti I would have to go to a RTX 4090. I don't think I'd be satisfied with anything less than an RTX 4080, so I'm just waiting for 7900 XTXs to get cheaper, which they might.

[@Обовсём-э9х]

hi. is this for 4k or 1440p?

[@Neonmirrorblack]

Just found this particular video, and it's hilarious to me. I'm on a 9600K, and really want to get rid of it due to how it even limits my 3080 right now, but I don't feel like it's really worth upgrading now until the end of this year when Arrow Lake finally releases. So I'm just having to ride out the 1440p struggle bus (some games continually drop into the high or mid 50s) for basically another year. Also, you're overthinking the read/write speeds of the NVMe drives. For gaming, it doesn't make a difference at all yet. Until an entirely new architecture restructures data decompression (or simply iterations upon iterations of Windows 11 DirectStorage and games that actually take advantage of it), you're always going to have bottlenecks that are going to be slower than the slowest NVMe drives. As far as cases go, you shouldn't just blindly pick one based off of the price/aesthetic. Case cooling is pretty important, so you'd be better served doing your due diligence and looking at case reviews. Particularly with places like Gamers Nexus. The case you picked at random got horrible reviews everywhere. You should have just gone with the 4000D. 😛

[@oliverdowning1543]

Honestly, hybrid storage is still fine today in 2023. If you have a decent NVME boot SSD with DRAM cache then most games are basically gonna be fine running off of a traditional hard drive which is still quite a bit cheaper than SSDs for bulk storage of games and stuff.

[@jere1023]

the gigabyte mobo has pretty bad vrm i heard... the asrock boards would be a lot better

[@photonboy999]

RTX4070 and CPU bottlenecks... Just FYI, but I did a lot of research and found that anything above an RTX4070 starts to severely be bottlenecked by a Ryzen 3000 class CPU. You can easily find CPU comparisons for your CPU or a similar CPU to find, roughly, where the bottleneck starts to occur. It varies by the game, but IMO if you have an Rx2000/3000 or comparible Intel then don't go higher than an RTX4070 or comparable AMD GPU. And side note, if you have a VRR monitor (i.e. Freesync) then I'd make per-game FPS caps to reduce FAN NOISE and keep the FRAME TIMES more consistent (in video control panel like NVidia CP or in game settings if offered). For example, if you play a slower game like Witcher 3 and can average 90FPS then consider a cap in the range of 60 to 80FPS. I find personally that fan noise ruins the experience. I rarely hear the fan noise from my RTX4070 (or other system fans) even with the speakers turned off.

[@solarisaint1]

Then a i5 11600 k is ok with a 4070 non ti ?

[@Trisstan20]

would go for something like ASrock b650m HDV or ASRock pro RS for such build, that gigabyte K is...not good. ASRock seems really have good deals 125$ seems like good start for AM5 Mobo with HDV, 140$ ASRock PRO RS will net you 3x M2, 4x ram slot and decent RGB support

[@puffyips]

Precisely, even more so, I live by a micro center so that $125 asrock hdv is $99!

[@someawesome7984]

If like Daniel, have in mind upgrade, - better spent even more on MB right now. Like you now supposing buy not a 7600, but 7900Х.

[@andersjjensen]

@@someawesome7984 Hardware Unboxed torture tested all the low end B series boards and they took a 7950X at full cahoot no problems. AMD is rather insistent that all AM5 boards must support all AM5 CPUs at full tilt for prolonged periods of time. What you get from buying better boards are more I/O ports, better over clocking support and faster RAM speeds.

[@GewelReal]

For the SSD section: you completely missed the Intel 670p which is the cheapest good SSD

[@lordofdrones]

QLC, into the trash it goes.

[@BowtieMan4Ever]

I would go with AM5 and 7800x3D along with a 6950XT for around $649 a great placeholder for a future upgrade that will not age fast. Or 5800X3D on an AM4 B550 for around $500. $1150-$1200 and you’re set with more than double your performance and the 5800X3D is no slouch. P.S. I am a retired CTE teacher and coach! Thank you for teaching!

[@andersjjensen]

Yeah, if you want to transfer everything towards raw bang for buck, then MSI B550M-Pro + 5800X3D + 6950XT is the way to go. And the X3D chips flat out don't care about memory latency, so you can go with the grottiest DDR4 3600 kit you can find and pay pocket lint for it. This will be an absolutely capable 1440p system well into the next console generation.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

If you have to get a new MB I would go with AM5, the little bit of extra is worth it. But I would recommend going for the 7600X as a starter, it's about the same performance of the 5800X3D and a bit cheaper right now, I'd rather upgrade sooner from that than spend $400 on the 7800X3D which is going to get crushed by 8000s CPUs sooner than later. I would simply strongly advise against investing in a dead end AM4 even if the 5800X3D is fine for another 3 years at least. That was the whole point of the plattform - to be free to upgrade. If you're really on a budget, sure get an AM4 build but then you don't buy a ~$280 CPU but would rather go for a $140 5600X imo.

[@Hoigwai]

I was asked recently to spec out a replacement build for a friend and while I provided her with a range of parts my lower-spec choices were. Kinda funny how close I was to yours. AMD Ryzen 5 7600 ASRock B650M-HDV TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32GB 2x16 DDR5-5600 CL32 TEAMGROUP MP33 1TB M.2 2280 XFX Speedster SWFT 309 RX 6700XT 12GB Fractal Design Pop Air RGB ATX Mid Tower Case Corsair RM850e 850W 80+ Gold.

[@SIPEROTH]

Other than budget when suggesting PC's i find many computer lovers to suggest good systems but make bad suggestions. How can a good PC be a bad suggestion? By not taking in mind the person asking for a system and just building what they will find great. For example: Does this person even like rpg lighting? Do they want a very quite system. Do they care having a glass window to look at components? Do they have space for a big PC? Do they play games? Do they connect lots of extra stuff? Do they need wi-fi? What screen to they have? 1080p, 2k, 4k? What programs they use? Will they upgrade components? Do they store lots of stuff. Do they keep tons of taps open and open many things at the same time? All this stuff are crucial to know what case to buy, how much storage and memory, what GPU and motherboard, what PSU etc.

[@sandau44]

Good video, useful to see people go through the part-picking process. I built a PC pretty similar to this a week ago, cept I got a 7600X for $200 and a 4080 for $1k (still too expensive, but I was upgrading from a 1080TI and had the budget for it). I got a Lian Li 216 case and it was quite nice to build in, but the instructions were a bit confusing. I found a really good video of a guy putting building a PC in the same case and that helped a lot. I'd advise people to not cheap out on monitors (I know this is a PC build, not peripherals). It's a shame to get a nice GPU and then buying the cheapest monitor and struggling to see an improvement due to visual quality. Not saying a person should buy a $1k OLED monitor or anything.

[@matthouston8411]

Going to 4k is not cheap. 1440 is where most people should aim and be happy with it

[@sandau44]

@@matthouston8411 def agree. I have a 27" 1440p and I think it's a perfect fit

[@oldfrend]

dang ram prices have gone way down since december when i built my system. i bought 2x16gb ddr5-6000 for $180 and now it's less than half that.

[@BadDayGaming]

I kind of regretted my first build. I had always used pre-builds before COVID. So as we know, parts were limited. My first build was a 10600 KF and a 6500 XT. I know the problems with the 6500, but at the time we weren't streaming and 4 gigs VRAM wasn't that bad.

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

That should be fine if paired with 6800XT for example 😊

[@edwarda.tokash8166]

It's important to keep in mind the difference between AMD and Intel memory kits. The AMD memory controller works best with even numbered memory parameters. You won't find any AMD kits with odd number timings such as 17-21-21-38. Newer BIOSes have allowed that memory to work, but not optimally.

[@tlothompson6935]

This made me proud of my new build. It's almost the exact same. Spent a little more on the motherboard and ram and got a nice cpu cooler, but besides that it's pretty much the same.

[@tonkatoytruck]

Congratulations!

[@kevintbjorn]

Seems like you done your research pretty well then

[@lukilsn]

nice one! what cpu cooler did you get?

[@tlothompson6935]

@@lukilsn Nzxt Kraken 240 RGB

[@abeidiot]

I had the choice between coffee lake and ryzen 2nd gen and going with 8700k was the best choice I had made. Had the same line of reasoning, no hyperthreading in i5 was bs product segmentation. Made the gamble that it would last till am4's entire lifespan I just built a system with almost double the performance with 7800x3d and 6000mhz ram(from 3000) and will upgrade my gpu after 5000 series. Nice to see how similar upgrade patterns can be

[@mleise8292]

True, spending 28% more on your RAM is only 1.5% total cost increase for 3% to 7% extra FPS. Me gusta. My case without fans was 30 bucks new though, so I had plenty of money left to buy 3 fans.

[@Cygnus-Phi]

That's pretty much my list atm: 7600 with 4070 (unless the 7700 and 7800 end up being very competitive).

[@lifemocker85]

Stupid to buy 12gb gpu

[@spg3331]

FYI Daniel you can turn PCpartspicker to Dark Mode in the top right you should see a O or I

[@MrPumaralant]

I almost own the same parts as in the video. My search as been cut out.

[@thevoid7332]

Passed up Solidigm P41 at $69.99. That's a great price for that drive. Solidigm are pretty solid. P44 2TB is also $109 right now with dram cache.

[@shoobadoo123]

You can get a 2tb silicon power ud90 which is a pretty fast gen4 drive for $78.97. Only $5 more than your gen3 drive

[@carlbyronthompson]

I am rockin a 20 yo Antec case with no window or modern options. It has metal as thick as a tank and that is what I prefer. It has room for 5 fans. Two are biggins. I will use it forever.

[@jeffdumpster1470]

You can't beat micro center bundles if your near one in the US

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

I'd like to know how the 13600k will age vs the 7600 in general, I know getting the 7600 will have an upgrade path and may ultimately be better, but I would like to know if in the future, those little cores of the 13600k will give it legs. Also if your going amd, I would even consider getting a lower end CPU than the 7600 considering your going for upgradability, the 8000 will be coming, and a lower end 7000 might be good enough for shorter term. Edit, I guess there are no Ryzen 3 parts for zen4 that's odd.

[@spoots1234]

The 13600k is more comparable to the 7700x. The 13500 would be around the same performance of the 7600 with some extra cores to help it out. The 7600 on the whole is a hard sell at its price point, especially when there's even the 5700x at $190 to look at. Plus, AM5's slow boot issues makes it a really disappointing platform. Longevity-wise, I wouldn't consider A620, B650 and X670. I'd quicker wait for 700 series or go AM4 or Intel.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

@@spoots1234 yea I get that, Im pretty sure he was going for the upgradability path with decent performance now, but I do wanna see how that 13600k ages

[@GewelReal]

13600K is good for now and in 3-5 years you can sell the whole platform and get AM6

[@ChancySanah]

there might be 1 more gen of upgrades on intel 700/600 boards, the am5 platform will probably work like am4 and you'll have a lot more upgrades to come even on the first gen boards. The PSU cultist tier list is a fairly straightforward guide to good psu's that you can rely on and it does sort by the level of the build from high end systems to low end.

[@dianaalyssa8726]

12700KF is gaming well 1440P. But Intel we have until 14th Gen on platform upgrades. 7600 will last longer but the boards can cost more, it depends how much is being spent.

[@steve42069master]

When is the August 2023 PC deals video dropping?

[@Tanktaco]

When should I be looking to go for the 7800X3D? I wanna have a build for Starfield launch this year and the market is so confusing.

[@luvingyouu]

It truly depends on your budget, you are going for the best of the best gaming cpus (besides a few games where it losses to a 13900k) and you obviously want the best gpu to pair with it being 4080-90, 7900xt-xtx. At minimum I would pair 6950xt or 4070 ti but if you only had the budget for those 2 gpus then just go 7700x / 13600k to save a bit of money (isn’t needed but optional).

[@tonkatoytruck]

If your budget allows, that is THE go to CPU for gaming. Remember, teachers generally are on the frugal side. lol

[@andersjjensen]

The Starfield "Recommended System Requirements" only lists a 3600X. This is not a fast e-sports shooter game. You'll be able to run it at very good frame rates with a Ryzen 5600. What it does, however, state is that a 6800XT or better is required. So the system specs line up with everything else in the "AAA Single Player" category: Step down on CPU and transfer as much as you can towards the GPU. The 7800X3D only makes sense if you're also targeting the absolute fastest GPU already, and at lover than normal resolution. That is, if you're thinking 4090/7900XTX at 1440p or 1080p then it starts making sense for AAA gaming.

[@andersjjensen]

@@tonkatoytruck Teachers also understand that when you're watching CPU benchmarks then it's 1080p on a 4090. On something more mundane like a 3080/6900XT all scaling stops at 1440p because both GPUs are absolutely crucified before the CPU even breaks a light sweat. Obviously if you're playing e-sports games only the story is quite different, as you'd lower all settings to potato to make sure the enemies are as jagged as possible, so they're easy to see, and then a 6600XT is plenty good to drive 300FPS. But OP is specifically asking for a build for Starfield. A graphics heavy AAA title that lists a Ryzen 3600X as recommended. Ain't no way the 7800X3D is ever going to get out of sleep mode no matter what GPU he chucks at that. And funnily enough Daniel is of the same verity: he likes to crank up the visuals until the CPU taps out.

[@erickelly4107]

Looks solid - The RTX 4070 IMO is actually quite good ~ 1/2 the performance of the RTX 4090 for ~ 38% the cost is far from bad. DLSS, Power efficiency, AV-1 encoding, Ray Tracing, Frame gen all great selling points. It’s incredible how cheap RAM and Storage are these days.

[@someawesome7984]

Quite good for 500$, I would say. And most affrodable for 400 ha-ha

[@erickelly4107]

@@someawesome7984 The RTX 4070 is quite good in REALITY (paying just ~ 38% the cost of a RTX 4090 for 50% of the performance) - not talking about what people “wish” to be the case as people always “wish” things cost less especially given the current economy.

[@yellowflash511]

I'd rather get a 7900xt for 50 bucks more.

[@niebuhr6197]

Yeah some brain dead fanboys cant accept that 4090 offers the worst value in Ada lineup, together with 4080.

[@lifemocker85]

Its 4060 with naming hoax

[@kkrolik2106]

I paid 294 Euro for second hands R5 7600 + ASRock X670E Steel Legend + 32GB 4800 CL40 board was nice deal due bought as not working but I recognized from description bad bios ;) For GPU second hand 150 Euro Rx 6700 10GB - GPRO X080

[@AG-qg7cl]

great job mate

[@larsbaer3508]

So sad my 6700 lost value that crazy hard x(

[@kkrolik2106]

@@larsbaer3508 My Rx 6700 version do not have display outputs this is mining card I using iGPU to get image

[@mangoesDB]

Thanks for this. I had a similar pc, with an i7-9700 and an rtx 2060 which i really regret getting. I upgraded to a 6700xt which is a lot better and im also planning on getting the 7600 in the near future.

[@lifemocker85]

9900kf

[@l3lue7hunder12]

I feel you missed out a bit on what level of performance one needs these days, but this is a very nice go-to video on how to select current system components and what to take into consideration. Btw. there historically is no need to go with anything else than the stock cooler with any 65W Ryzen, because they are fairly efficient and silent already. Which is a good thing, since the only AM5 Ryzen one should buy are 65W - everything else isn't just a lot more expensive, but also thermo throttling like crazy. The worst ( yet also most impressive ) example is the Ryzen 9 7950X3D, which is a 120W TDP CPU that under load drops to around 50W just to survive. As for RAM you forgot that going with extra RAM makes sense since adding more RAM later on isn't an overly good idea with an AM5 because it likely requires reducing the memory clock for the system to remain stable. Regarding computer cases, I strongly recommend to take size and practical PC placing into consideration. There currently is a lot of "bling" to be had, but there also is a parallel development towards very compact systems, and if you go the middle road like with this build, there are some very interesting options to create a tiny yet powerful PC that snuggly fits anywhere. If you pick a micro-ATX form factor motherboard, or even better an ITX one ( which will cost you a bonus though ), you can go full feature at the size of a toaster. Power supplies became critical of late since the labeling is misleading on many especially cheap PSUs. If you read things like "650W power supply" anywhere don't just believe it but check if you get around that level power for the 12V rails alone instead of power in total. LTT is currently building a test lab because of this situation and already produced shocking results with the tests they could run, making it clear that if you are not careful for your PC to give out actually is you getting lucky because one of those could easily burn your house down.

[@Blissy1175]

120w TDP cpus on AM5 are cooled perfectly fine with 120w+ tdp rated coolers. Whether that be a Noctua NH-D15 or a Deep Rock 4 or AK400+ air cooler. Most 360mm AIOs also handle 120w tdp cpus just fine. AM5 CPUs, however, are designed to target a *temperature* rather than a power limit (though it does target that, too, just only as long as it can hit that power limit before hitting the temperature limit, which it usually does) when boosting. You can change this temperature target in the bios, however, so if your concern is not being able to cool it enough to keep it from going over its temperature limit at full load then you can just set a lower thermal target.

[@l3lue7hunder12]

@@Blissy1175 ... I wasn't really scared about too high temperatures, but concerned about keeping the CPU from dropping below its baseclock. Using a Ryzen of 95W TDP an higher means you need good cooling and the cooler you listed certainly would do the job, but the efficiency drops sharply and under heavy load forces the CPU do downthrottle below said baseclock reducing the single threat performance significantly. So the greatest positive effect for picking high end Ryzen is for the initial load and for mixed loads, which raises the question if thats worth it.

[@jonronnquist]

Deepcool CC560 is a nice case. Deepcool Macube 110 is also a winner at this price point.

[@btocanonymous]

im stuck on a i7 6700k with a 970 strx - it's showing it's age. I play total war warhammer 3, Eve online with at least 4 characters open Valheim RDR2 I want to play newer games as well as get into some streaming or video editing - im considering going 1440p Where would my money be best spent? For once i want some good stuff... was thinking the 4080 was a bit high - but now it's dropped a bit in price... PC partpicker would be very nice - if you could set the prise to "Denmark" and keep a full new system/screen from 20.000 dkr and below.

[@f.miller801]

I've worked my ass off to built my first ever PC this year with a 5800x3d, 4070 and 4x16 3600 ram (it was way too cheap lmao). Yes it is a dead platform but it was cheaper. It's no much but is honest work.

[@griffen52]

wow your cpu and gpu was the same as my upgrade from a 1050ti and 1600x in 2019. now i’m rocking a 6700xt and 5800x

[@rogofos]

I never had a KZbin channel, but in the late 2019 I built a pc on a budget of 700$ it has a gtx1070 and an e5-2670 at the time it had no SSD, just a 1tb hdd and only 8gbs of ram in dual channel now I added an m.2 ssd (yes the Chinese motherboard somehow has an m.2 slot despite this socket being discontinued before m.2 was invented) and 16 more gigs of ram but had to take out the old 8gigs because of a problem with the build you see I, in my infinite wisdom, bought 1866mhz ddr3, when this cpu can only support up to 1600mhz leading to this pc sometimes refusing to boot (fans spinning but the motherboard beeps out 'ram is missing' error - no image on the screen) if I paid just 1$ more for e5-2650v2 or just bought 1600mhz to begin with, none of that would have been a problem but now I'm forced to take out the old 8gbs because they increase the chances of that error exponentially so despite extensive research I still managed to slip up in one simple thing which will likely now cost me 20$ (big money for me) to buy another cpu to fix I also have a 4k monitor which is obviously overkill for the poor gtx1070 having to run dying light 2 in XESS performance just to have a playable framerate but I expected to upgrade my video card eventually and that eventually is slowly approaching there's a possibility I'll have an rx 6700xt before the end of the month

[@dianaalyssa8726]

I did a new build, 12700KF 7900XTX. But this was similar to my 2019 era build 9600K 3060 (also carried a 1060 from 2016 rig). The 9600K was hard stuttering in WoW and FF14. Not sure if I will upgrade or just repurpose the old build (or offload to cover cost of latest build).

[@niolonq]

9600k is the great CPU still, I bet it was issue with memory system

[@andersjjensen]

@@niolonqSorry, but there is plenty of benchmarks to prove that the 6 core 6 thread layout of the 9600K didn't age well. You can disable SMT on a 5600(X) or HT on an 10600k and get much the same effect. Modern games generally target 8 concurrent threats, which ironically make them run better on quad core i7s than hexa core i5s from the era where Intel thought it was a good idea to segment on HT.

[@gail_blue]

With the case, I'd make sure the IO is on top if you plan on setting it on the floor, and on bottom if you plan on setting it on a desk. I'm also a little apprehensive about cheaping out on the SSD, as having a boot drive die on you costs a lot of time and trouble (I had an old OCZ Vertex go bad) so I stick to Samsung, Crucial, and WD. In that same vein, I wouldn't go with a pci-e 5.0 boot ssd, as they all seem to run so hot.

[@crisppzanuff4398]

Upgraded from an RtX 2060 to a 6700xt 2 months ago the dif between the 6700xt to the 6800xt was of 350€ to 700€ in my country

[@DecayTheCat]

I got almost the same build (except cpu - i have 9900k) and i absolutely love my build and decisions that I made. It was funny to find out that someone hates a setup that is almost identical to mine xD

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

9900K is a great CPU. Far better than 9600k. It has almost +100% multicore performance and really nice overclocking potential (especially when going for super low latency builds).

[@19deltascout43]

Informative as always. Have a great school year!

[@niolonq]

To be fair, it's almost useless to choose something under 6800 or 4070 and also stay with DDR4, so it will impact the price right now a lot... I can recommend keep your money or pay enough to get Next-gen in every part of your PC

[@BlackJesus8463]

or it doesn't matter at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@zq7246]

Oh man going with the 4070? So you think 12 gigs of vram will be enough for the future? The thing about DLSS and FSR is they are software which typically improves over time and neither looks as good as native. The only reason I might choose the 4070 would be because it’s newer but honestly I’d probably just either spend more money or wait on the 7800 XT. More memory and more money bandwidth = more future proof!

[@lifemocker85]

12gb is not enough even for now in some cases

[@Benny-tb3ci]

Hey Daniel. It strikes me as odd that you opted to go for a B650 motherboard instead of a B650E one. Given that you wanted to build a PC with upgradability in mind, doesn't it stand to reason to want that PCIe 5.0 x16 slot in your system? I'm in this very situation right now. My Z370 only supports PCIe 3.0. Sure, you'll get the latest X3D chip a few years down the line, but what about your graphics card?

[@Peter-je6td]

Im basically building this type of pc right now and the only thing i can say is dont cheap out on the cooler the cpu from what iv found out is it runs quite hot overall under load iv built mine with the ak 620 tower as it just works no fuss

[@abeidiot]

nah. the cpu is very low thermal load. i come from intel build and it tak s time to adjust but don't compare those temps to existing pcs. It's designed to run at tjmax temperature. The cores are so small they get to 85+ celcius before their heat is transferred to the cooler plate. So both high end and low coolers will reach high temps while the cores will boost as designed

[@weyo14]

You should do some content on over clocking cpu, ram, gpu then do some on hard mods delid, water blocks. Copper shims on gpu ram, bios flashes just things ppl can do to max out their platform

[@FIVESTRZ]

Marketplace has a new HP Victus 5600G 6400 combo for $290 near me..... so many different ways that could go with minor upgrades

[@rl53]

Same with my Skylake build I didn't know what to look for & just built it, turned out ok from where I was & still running but tech has moved on so much esp GPUs & pricing, my 980TI graphics has popped taking out my PCIE lanes or visa versa so I'm looking to fully upgrade, wanting ITX as PC is in the living room but motherboards are so overpriced atm if you can get one here in UK. £370 for the AMD B650 ASRock PG which should be around £250 with the spec comparing to similarly specced other brands & Asus have a bad rep this time round & Gigabytes software creating accounts issue, looking at last gen for processor to last 5-7 yrs again. The 980TI ran great so wondering if the Vrams is going to be an issue but I don't play AAA 6Gb was ok so 12gb will be better & power is a concern atm that will never decrease in price.

[@malcolmrose3361]

As someone who only takes an interest in this kind of thing every seven or eight years (when I feel the need to upgrade my PC) I'm not the most knowledgeable but I have a question - I understand preferring NVidia for the bells and whistles that are DLSS etc, but my understanding is that the general consensus is that the 4070 is an underwhelming card for the price. If you're only buying it as a placeholder until something better comes along (whether that be a 40xx card with a lot more VRAM at a much better price, or a 50xx in the future) - why not buy a 3060 GTX with 12GB? You can get them for about $300, so literally half the price of the 4070 cards - isn't half the moans about the 4070s that they aren't much better than the previous generation for the price? Why not put the $300 saved in your piggy bank until something eye popping comes along in the future?

[@ppp3435]

Id consider 7700 with box instead of 7600 and aftermarket cooler. The point is, 7700 is boxed with much better one with heatpipe. Probably not the most quiet ever, but AFAIK decent enough and with much better effect than 7600 with box.

[@christianpratt9728]

I love your videos and In depth gpu reviews. However, when it comes to your pcpartpicker builds I find that you often prioritize saving a very small amount of money over having more reputable and reliable components. There are similarly priced motherboards with much better port selection and VRMs. Faster and more reliable nvme’s within $5-8. The memory is a tough one but there are often very fast non-rgb g.skill kits for the same price. The 7600X with a $35 cooler would be well worth it over the stock 7600 configuration. Lastly I feel that a 7800 XT would be a much better fit than than (IMO) the already aging 4070.

[@remuz123]

Just a bit curious... If you load this drive over 80% capacity and do the read/write benchmarks then... I wonder what the results are. There are reasons, why drives with dram cost almost twice as much than no name e-waste with anemic slc cache (worse yet : none at all). Especially, when your habits of backing up your valuable data are a bit... sloppy. That's the saddest thing in YT build guides : they recommend benchmark builds... (Empty drive, no background processes, single monitor and MB populated with crappy caps suitable only on singing postcards). Not usable builds that can survive at least 3-4 years.

[@AntonioLexanTeh]

The best "cheap" 2TB nvme SSD is the Solidigm P41 plus. It's a division comprised of Intel + SK Hynix engineers

[@cxngo8124]

My first pc I built and still use is a r5 3600, 16gb 3200mhz and a 2060. At the time I didn't understand PCs to well so I went for something safe. Weirdly enough I had so many issues with my 2060 drivers which I don't have anymore. My next PC hopefully soon, will be a r7 7800x3d, 32gb 6000mhz and rx7900xtx Asrock Phantom for 1440p 240hz oled.

[@Andytlp]

Lol going straight for the fastest parts. Only way to improve this is to go with 4090 but that thing costs a liver.,

[@cxngo8124]

@@Andytlp 7900xtx overclock brings it close to the 4090. 4090 also doesn't have dp 2.1 only 1.4. DLSS and frame gen are not for the games I play. Then we add $800 and yeah, no way.

[@ScottTempler]

when upgrading to a new socket. I evaluate cost of a new motherboard CPU and ram, compared to what CPU I can get for the same on the current socket. I can upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X for $439.64, and another 16GB of ram for $38.99 as of this posting. close to Equivalent MB and a Ryzen 5 7600X with 32GB of ram on pc part picker $566.

[@DOheavenShallBurn]

Never make that mistake! the plan is to upgrade the cpu later, never cheap out on the motherboard. you will not buy a new motherboard in 3-4 years. better invest 50 - 100 more in the quality and features like pic-e gen 5, sound, wifi/Bluetooth... nobody know what a ssd or gpu you will buy in 3-4 years. later you save you money. nice video greetsz from Germany

[@Brian0wns]

Thinking of inflation - the long term power costs need to be a consideration especially for people in the EU who may face brutal power bills this coming winter from El Nino and the drama with the war / shutting down fossil fuels. So if the upfront cost is even 2x - but it saves you 50% of power (for example)... then the upfront 2x cost is worth it. It would be interesting to see you do a build that is *just* focused on power saving, and maybe even things you could do to limit the power draw when using.

[@martineyles]

I'm still gaming on a 6600 non k, 4 core, 4 thread cpu. A 6 core 6 thread cpu seems like luxury!

[@o0Silverwolf0o]

Teamgroups good for storage, I have 3 ssd drives I ported from my am4 build and 4 ddr4 ram modules were used in that build and no issues with any of them. Was between teamgroup and corsair on my am5 ddr5 build, both had the speed, latancy, and compatibility I wanted, corsair won only because of ique with my other ported components. Would recommend. I also originally bought an m.2 sata drive originally for my am4 build not knowing to look for nvme, still have it along with 2 m.2 nvme drives but my am5 board doesn't support m.2 sata at aĺl so just to keep that storage I had to get an external reader.

[@mannydcbianco]

Just wanted to thank you for choosing to be a teacher. The country needs you more than ever before, but you are underappreciated and underpaid. And parents can be absolute evil turds nowadays, demanding grades and special treatment their kids do not deserve. My friend is a teacher and the things she has to put up with from some parents is just absurd. And the school does nothing to stop it.

[@photonboy999]

*important info: Windows Game Bar has issues...* I recently upgraded my R9-3900x (Zen 2) system by replacing the GTX1080 with an RTX4070 (Asus Dual OC). I've been VERY happy. But I didn't expect much improvement in God of War because I thought I had a major CPU bottleneck. Why did I think that? Well I had difficulty hitting 60FPS with my GTX1080 (using VSYNC with 60Hz monitor) but Windows Game Bar was saying my GPU usage was averaging around 85% in the most GPU demanding areas. I got to 60FPS by just choosing "OPTIMAL" for everything but again, if there's no SOFTWARE cap and the GPU Usage isn't close to 100% then you can assume a CPU bottleneck... what happened with the RTX4070? I got 120FPS average at max settings, at 2560x1440 using DLSS Quality... huh? How? I left the FPS uncapped and fired up Windows Game Bar. GPU Usage? 50%. 50%? I then opened the Asus GPU Tweak III software and used the OSD to display GPU settings. GPU Usage 100%. Ah... it all makes sense now. My GPU Usage was probably at 100% with the GTX1080 but was just being misreported. There's no way I had a CPU bottleneck because I should STILL have had a CPU bottleneck with the RTX4070 and got roughly the same performance. (FSR with GTX1080 and DLSS with RTX4070 so the render resolutions were the same. I got roughly 3x the FPS when comparing Ultra vs Ultra. That's at the high end of my gains. With other games it varied between 2x and 3x so quite a range depending on CPU bottleneck, resolution, game settings etc.)