The Golden Era of Desperate Housewives (S3-S4)

[@AshCerto]

People love Gaby and Edie because they don’t portray themselves as angels that could never do anything wrong.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

That’s true, Gaby and Edie own their flaws more than Susan does

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

They have an amazing sense of humour as well. In the end, we watch to be entertained.

[@victorhunter8900]

@@SerenaSkybourne I hated Susan being so clumsy all the time.

[@taint1801]

I think people hate Susan so much more than Gabrielle or Edie because she keeps getting away with her behavior. When Edie messes up, it's made clear she's in the wrong but the writers favor Susan so much they keep justifying how bad she is

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yes I totally agree I hated that the writer's did that with Susan I guess mark was a big fan of Terri

[@katybee3891]

Susan is frustrating because she keeps deluding herself into thinking what she’s doing is actually nice. Edie and Gabby never act like they’re selfless nice people. Susan is selfish but can’t admit it to herself.

[@kellysnyder1405]

I've always read that the other cast didn't like Teri and their characters were portrayed as dark, whereas Susan could do no wrong and was helpless and sanctimonious and a hypocrite. Which made Marcia, Eva, Felicity and Nicolette feel there was favoritism toward Teri

[@bencrowie7509]

True 2 b honest ...People probably love to over analylze her chractor n find deep rooted flaws like selfishness ...But, shes just quirky, n occasionally annoying but charming ...N come on guys theres soooooo many worse charactors in DH den susan

[@moroccansarenthumanbeings2640]

Suzan was so selfish. She acted like she was such a nice person but really All she cared about was her well being and her previous Mike.

[@mrsgansey3521]

I understand Lynette, if I’m being honest. She was tired of her marriage, of juvenile acting husband, of kids, of daily routine and she also had to deal with pizzeria when she didn’t even want to have it in the first place. And Rick seemed like an escape. Quick, easy, and in her head it probably wasn’t a big deal, because they weren’t doing anything physically. It was also probably a long time since she’s felt truly wanted, desired. Marriages drain women. ! I’m not justifying her, just understanding.! Also, I feel like if a person is extremely jealous, like Lynette was, then they are the ones that are most likely to cheat. Because they know that they can do the same.

[@BellesView]

I wish she could’ve slept with Rick. She deserved a good lay. I felt like Lynette would’ve been happier as a high powered businesswoman who was single or married to someone who didn’t want kids.

[@Skorpio1121]

That is a very interesting analysis, and i agree with you except the jealousy part. I know its totally subjective and that there are people that cheat that do act jealous or even accusatory, but that’s active cheaters not just people that are capable. I’m not a jealous person at all but i am a cheater, so that’s just my experience.

[@Art-zp1qg]

Also I don't know how Lynette can deal with her horrible horrible husband. He is the absolute worst and honestly Lynette would have been totally in the right to leave him.

[@crazydoglady2954]

@@Art-zp1qg in my opinion: I would have left at the love child he had in season 2-3. Kayla. And later on when they took her in.... And how he cheated with Rene. Just discusting. It is like Lynette wasn't his first choice. He wasn't even 100% when she had cancer Or when the kids had chicken pox and he didnt want to get sterile. His reasoning is You never know what happens if you die Lynette... He is just discusting. Plus she made her to have 3 more kids than she wanted.

[@its.yoselin]

@@Art-zp1qg agreed! And towards the end of the show Tom says something along the lines of “I just realized that nothing will ever make you happy” yet he’s the one who had a mid life crisis almost every season.

[@thatmessy132]

In all honesty, when it comes to Susan vs the other women (in terms of selfishness and poor behaviour), it feels like Susan's actions are given a pass because we're *supposed* to like her. The other housewives are portrayed as active participants in their bad behaviour and Susan is treated like she can't help but make these mistakes.

[@BellesView]

Initially, I thought it was cute. But then I realized Susan never owned her crap.

[@thatmessy132]

@@BellesView it feels like the only growth arc that makes sense for her character; Gabrielle learns to be less materialistic, Bree learns to let go of her obsession with appearing perfect.

[@Sarah-lv6jx]

100%!!! It’s annoying because she’s suppose to be sweet so it’s understanding but like own it

[@TJMalana]

@@BellesView Even Bree at some point finally grew a pair and put Susan in her place and called her out on her hypocrisy right to her face!

[@TJMalana]

@@BellesView I think a few episodes leading to the series finale is where finally started seeing Susan Delfino evolve and take charge of her life and family. I was going to say grow up but that’s an understatement.

[@PaulaCianciSoveral]

I understood on Season 3, the ped@@@ neighbor at the end was saying to Lynette that he had the childrens' pictures for his own... amusement... and now that his sister is no longer alive, he was free to actually act on it. I find this soooo scary and creepy, I'm actually glad they didn't bring him back, because we as an audience are left with that "the most dangerous man on this show is on the loose" feeling. Love your reviews! Great work!!!

[@sarahserenity3872]

Same!! I took his "threat" at the end as a confession.

[@niyaakbar1098]

Yes, he was definitely sayin that he can now act on his desires without the fear of doing something that would endanger caring for his sister. The way to was talking to Lynette was easily the creepiest scene in the whole series that I’ve watched up to (I’m on s5). I don’t think we needed any more clarification on what his intentions are after leaving Wisteria Lane

[@bjanderson_09]

Okay, I have to disagree about Lynette. I like Tom and he is my favorite husband, but he is largely incompetent and I hate the way the show has moments where she has to give into him to preserve his masculinity. Whenever she needs him to take care of the kids so she can get just a little bit of personal time, he fails. Like when she and gabby had the spa trip and she had to leave because of him. No, it’s not his fault he hurt his back, but I feel bad for Lynette. I would resent him, too. I also agree with you on Danielle. I don’t enjoy her character.

[@thatmessy132]

Tom epitomises the man-child architype and so Lynette ends up taking care of him on top of taking care of their children

[@sarcashian]

when i first started the show like a month ago and im currently in s6, i always liked tom and once i started looking up vids for the show i saw all the tom hate so i was really confused 😭😭

[@adrianefagundes5634]

He is not my favorite husband (maybe my favorite to watch because I really like the comedy of his dynamic with Lynette when they are not arguing for real), but I do like him most of the time, but I completely agree with you. He is incompetent and I get he would be frustrated because he realises that BUT he blames Lynette for that which is.... not true. She is proactive and fierce, which is not always the best approach, but she gets things done and he resents her for it. Instead of trying to better himself he just complains and yells blame at her (which is ironic since the show and Tom seems to want us to believe that SHE is the one that is never happy and complains all the time). I can understand if people don't like Lynette, but I don't understand how Tom is always excused from everything.

[@guineppe3405]

My least favorite recurring plot beat of desperate housewives is adults having sexual relations with teenagers and no one reporting it to the police after finding out. It’s happened in every season I’ve watched so far (up to 5) and it’s so weird how often the show writers went to statutory r*pe for plot.

[@explorativesam9805]

Can we ledger that? Season 1: Gaby and John. Season 2: Andrew and Peter McMillan. Season 3: Danielle and her history teacher. Season 4: Katherine and Susan's nephew. Season 5: Porter and Anne Schilling. Do we find other incidents?

[@websiteusage518]

@@explorativesam9805 andrew was 18 in season 2, no?

[@explorativesam9805]

According to Wikipedia, he was 16 when the series started, so... he should be 17 in season 2, right?

[@victorhunter8900]

@@explorativesam9805 Yes, and also the man was pretty old. However, it's realistic because Andrew became a rentboy after Bree left him.

[@radhiadeedou8286]

This show really shined in big disaster episodes. The store shooting, the hurricane, the plane crash.. were all amazing

[@lamialimani9573]

The riot episode too

[@caseyitiswhatitis6660]

I don’t understand how you can hate on Lynette or call her overly negative when her husband is literally the epitome of incompetence. He has a midlife crisis every other year and is constantly putting them in financial distress. He constantly invites stress onto her without ever apologising or admitting his mistakes so yeah I don’t blame her for wanting time away from her house and searching for peace in a stranger and meal. Also she was upset cuz she lost a companion but also cuz Rick was bringing business?? I don’t know I sympathise with Lynette a lot just because of how awful her husband is. She genuinely tried with Kayla and her own husband didn’t believe or listen to her. She should’ve left him for Rick.

[@petalchild]

Exactly. The lengths people go to justify Tom's behavior and villainize Lynette will never make sense to me.

[@thepimme]

DH content is scarce these days so I’m glad KZbin brought this one right up to my front door. I came for DH but stayed and subscribed because you give off really nice energy and I love your content. Kudos!

[@SerenaSkybourne]

You are actually the sweetest, thankyou!

[@shantaem02]

The Kayla-Lynette storyline in season 4 was infuriating to watch. And even after Kayla’s manipulation was proven to Tom, as you said he didn’t apologize, he was actually resentful towards her.

[@TJMalana]

😡

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yeah I really hated the kayla lynette storyline it was so lame

[@niyaakbar1098]

Like bruh be mad at your demon child 😂

[@truebluelove]

It wasn’t mentioned but while they were filming season 3 the actress that played Bree was pregnant in real life (I think with twins) throughout the last half of the season she’s basically only seen from the chest up and just other ways of covering it. When she leaves they even use a body double for the shots of her and orson. She left to give birth and then when she came back I think part of why they had her faking a pregnancy was because she didn’t want to worry about losing the weight right away so having the fake belly could cover. But that part is just my guess it might be wrong because Danielle getting pregnant happened immediately after the actress left for maternity leave

[@Maxi_Swan]

I love Gaby because she is funny, full of life and she knows who she is and don't pretend to be a good person. She is selfish like everyone is on this show, but Susan is self centered, but think she is the opposite. She becomes more annoying as season past. She is the only main girls i don't really like.

[@myrandah8820]

i understood how lynette was totally annoying and being a shitty person, HOWEVER, she was REALISTIC. i very much appreciated the writing for lynette that season, she went through something traumatic, was tired of the life she felt like she was forced to live and she went and did something for herself. even though it was absolutely wrong of her!!! i understand how she is totally in the wrong but i HATEDDDD tom that season because he was such an asshole and made lynette cave to every want he thought he had throughout the whole season. i’m glad they gave her something to kind of “get back” at tom because i was SO OVER him getting whatever he wanted

[@idabsopeoplecantseemecry3835]

I thought Edie being so clingy and desperate to Carlos in S3 actually made her seem more sympathetic. Beneath her "bad bitch" exterior she's really just a lonely woman who's gone from guy to guy her whole life. She's older than the rest of the main cast (if I'm not wrong, she's in her mid-forties or so while the others are only in their thirties?) and I think S3 is when she started to have a sort of mid-life crisis and become aware of her own age and realising she wanted to actually settle down with someone. But she's horrible at making lasting emotional connections which is why she's so clingy to Carlos. I felt really bad for her As for the abortion thing I think it might have something to do with Marc Cherry's conservative background.

[@gothboiclique.mp3]

Marc Cherry said in an interview that he actually wanted to do an abortion storyline but the network just wasn't having it.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

By the way, I'm watching the PLL reboot 'Original Sin'- I'll react to the whole thing once it's out

[@starlightnight5593]

Pll reboot is really good. Can't wait for your review.

[@Smita-Says]

It’s amazinggggggg! ♥️ the horror and slasher vibes

[@Playlistmastermind]

Susan is the worst housewife in my opinion. She’s the worst parent (and we’re comparing her to Bree). SPOILER in a later season, Julie and Susan are arguing. Susan says “remember what fun we used to have; cereal for dinner” and Julie says “funny that that’s how you remember it because I remember it as you not being able to get out of bed and me making cereal because that’s all I could make for us”. It just shows how she’s often portrayed as the “cool mum” when, in reality, she’s childish and negligent. The more one thinks about Susan and Julie’s relationship, the more you’d understand why Susan is the worst housewife. Lynette and Gaby’s cheating was understandable (not excusable but the motivation or reasoning makes sense and is quite realistic). Just some thoughts

[@AndhraAdapaduchu-i2j]

While I hate Susan’s character for the most part,there s no way one can convince me Bree is a better parent than Susan. She literally left her minor son in middle of nowhere because she hated his guts and he had to resort to prostitution to survive. And not to mention how she forced her teenage daughter Danielle to carry and birth a child by force while her daughter repeatedly told she didn’t want the baby. Julie eating cereal because Susan dealing with betrayal from Karl and probably struggling with depression may make her a bad mom but she at least kept her child safe,

[@JakeVonScott]

Also regarding the pro life/pregnancy stuff, ABC was against the idea. Marc said in an interview that he wanted to do a pregnancy termination storyline (saying that because idk if the A word is filtered), where he was going to bring a new character for it, but once he brought the idea up with the network, ABC shot him down quickly and it never happened.

[@MadisonSpearslol]

Genuine question, why do u blame gabby for hating working and doing everything for Carlos when, Carlos lied to gabby before they got re married that the doctor said he’d get his sight back in a few months?

[@insertsomethingcreativeher7949]

the reason why Gabi is more loved is because her bad traits are treated as bad but with Susan we’re supposed to root for her. the show doesn’t recognize her faults

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yes felicity Huffman who plays lynette is the best actress on the show she's Also an academy award nominated actress for the movie transamerica it's really good

[@wendyful]

At least personally, the reason why Susan is so damn frustrating... it's not because she is any worse than the other girls. It is because unlike Gaby, which does horrible things and is indeed portrayed as a horrible, selfish person. In Susan's case, the show is always like "ups, she is not a bad person, she is just corky". That is the reason why she is annoying. I feel like the show refuses to admit she is a horrible person (at least at times), and they try to convince us that no matter what, she always has the best intentions when that is not true - she is, just like Gaby, selfish at times. But they don't want to admit that, they just try to excuse her motives, as she does in her head in order to not feel bad. At least Gaby doesn't make excuses...

[@hkazu63]

Gaby herself is fully self aware of her flaws and will state them openly. That makes her more likeable bc that self awareness, while frustrating that she doesn’t do a whole lot to work on them, shows a great emotional intelligence behind the character, which was impressive for someone who seems to shallow. Meanwhile, Susan is constantly immature, mothered by her own daughter, overreactive, and it’s watered down by this idea of her being clumsy and cutesy and quirky. It’s not cute in a 40 year old, to be this immature womanchild. It’s exactly the same reason people hate Tom Scavo, only Marc Cherry’s personal bias for Susan means that Susan has to be the hero at every turn. It’s like everything makes her justified and good. This is why Bree is clearly the best character of the core four. Bree is flawed, damaged, conniving, dangerous, kind, intelligent, witty and controlled. She can be the hero or the villain in any storyline. She’s not pushed into one or the other, it doesn’t matter, she is a fantastic example of a malleable character.

[@theisaiah_james]

My favorite is 4. I did not like Gabi’s 2nd husband. He was controlling as hell. I’m glad his character was written off. This show was the show of my summer last year. Another show recommendation is manifest on netflix.

[@johnharisson5166]

Lynette's unhealthy need to control everything is actually explained through her backstory i dont remember in which season but she is aware of how destructive this can be yet its a survival mechanism. You take that away from her and she has no sense of her own identity i think she is one of the most brillant characters of the whole show and FH is absolutely à Master at showing all her nuances

[@TJMalana]

It was explored in season 4 during her cancer storyline

[@rebeccamoore6073]

So her

[@josephmanning7082]

The pro life thing is because of the network at the time I'm pretty sure. I remember hearing that they were going to go with an abortion storyline on Grey's Anatomy in the first and second seasons (Both aired on ABC around the same time) and they were forced out of it by the network, so it's unsurprising it goes unmentioned on DH. Also the reason why the season 4 mystery is so underwhelming at the end is because of the writers strike which happened at the time and caused the season to be cut by around 7 episodes I think, so they had to resolve the mystery very quickly.

[@katybee3891]

It’s ridiculous that they don’t have an issue with pedo or murder plot but abortion is a no no.

[@TJMalana]

The Daytime soap General Hospital did an Abortion storyline with Lulu’s teen pregnancy. I believe it was well done. 😍

[@dtjunction]

While I understand why you think the other characters are selfish too, at least they have other characteristics that make them endearing. Susan loses all her endearing qualities and just becomes annoying.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I could definitely imagine that happening haha

[@elenak.6539]

Great commentary! Season 3 & 4 mysteries were the best in my opinion, probably because the 'mystery character' was very involved with the core cast in either case. I like how you compared Bree and Katherine's rivalry to Susan and Edie's, but I think what makes Bree and Katherine's dynamic more interesting is they actually push past it and establish a friendship around the similarities they share. Their friendship is one of my favorite in the whole show, and I thoroughly enjoy that layer of competitiveness it never quite loses along the way. Not to be a Bree apologist, but I wouldn't call her 100% selfish in wanting to raise Danielle's child. Danielle didn't appear to want to keep the kid, so I always read the situation as Bree offering to raise the child her teenage daughter didn't feel like caring for because she had a life ahead of her she wanted to get on with. When Danielle gave birth, I recall they totally shared a tender moment where Bree was asking her, in kind of a roundabout way, whether she was sure she wanted to give the kid up. That said, I REALLY don't understand why abortion isn't a thing on Wisteria Lane. Probably so these pregnancy scenarios could manifest and drama could be had, but I would have liked some justification. Anyway, can't wait for the next recap! Season 5 is definitely a wild ride, with lots to love, and hate, and laugh along with, and roll your eyes at.

[@hkazu63]

ABC had an anti-abortion stance behind the scenes. I mean, in fairness, Bree would probably never allow it as a stalwart Republican, herself, but Marc Cherry had wanted to do a storyline on abortion but ABC rejected it instantly. I believe Grey’s Anatomy had the same.

[@jc-en4pn]

i hate susan. my opinion on why she is so disliked is because she has a victim mentality. in real life, this woman would not have any friends and she certainly would not have men fighting over her. she is a terrible person, cheating on every partner she has, lying to and betraying her friends. she takes information bree gives her in confidence and calls the police behind bree’s back, she voted for katherine instead of lynette in the hoa election, she’s a terrible mother to julie and to MJ. when the other housewives do underhand things, they know they have been devious, but susan is oblivious to the fact that she is trash and still believes she’s a good person. she believes bad stuff ‘just happens’ to her. it’s also annoying that every single time she gets behind the wheel of a car, she somehow manages to crash it. i honestly can’t stand her.

[@earltanon-sommers9662]

The reveal of the fourth season’s mystery was very much underwhelming. However, the buildup and mystery surrounding Katherine was so masterful. I just wish they made Katherine truly unhinged, had her murder her daughter back when she first lived on the street. Then she comes to replace the child to cover her tracks. Would’ve been so much more fascinating and dark.

[@hkazu63]

I disagree with the idea of Katherine murdering her daughter. It’s clear that the show works on the concept of needing 5 main girls (+ Edie) as much as it can, and revealing that Katherine murdered her child would’ve made it impossible for the character to remain with them. They had more mileage out of the accidental death of her daughter (guilt over negligence, guilt over the coverup) and could do a lot more with the character going forward, as they very much did.

[@pupax2000]

I've re-watched Desperate Housewives... probably too many times. By now it feels a bit like coming home and spending time with my friends. They are all problematic at times, but in the end, I love all the ladies. My favorite is probably Katherine. And now you made me have to re-watch for the 10000th time ;)

[@kellysnyder1405]

❤️❤️❤️

[@JakeVonScott]

“I’m pretty sure it’s the only one on YT that talks about this show” Yesssss I wish there were more videos like this I’m glad you really love S3 and S4! Also LOVE how you actually research the production of the show and bring it up when relevant!

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

I think why we hate Susan and not Gabby is because Susan makes herself look like she is an angel and down to earth and can do no wrong while Gabby is honest about who she is. Gabby does not deny that she is a bad person. I think I hate Susan for all of her back and forth and not being a good mom to her daughter and her hypocrisy (which I know the others have). I loved Gabby as a character (spoilers) when we see her back story of what happened between her and her stepfather. I also liked how supportive Carlos was of her and how he immediately believed her when she told him she was sexually assaulted (molested) by her stepfather and how she warned her mom and her stepsister about it. I liked how the “murder” of the stepfather was protecting Gabby from him. I also loved her when she became a great mother to Juanita. She had issues about Juanita’s weight at first, but she never judged her for it (fully, at least). That scene where Juanita could not fit in her dress and Gabby asking for a bigger size instead of expecting her to lose weight and fit into a smaller one was heartwarming to me. Sorry for only talking about one daughter. They loved both, but you saw more of Juanita. On the subject of Carlos, I think he cheated because he could not get over her cheating. They even argued about it many times and Gabby even said, “if it bothers you so much, you cheat and get it over with. Than we’re even. He felt under appreciated too. Not saying two wrongs make a right, but I can understand this reasoning. It is one thing they have in common.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yeah over time I grew to hate Susan as the show went on because she makes herself like she's a saint when she's definitely not

[@corneliahanimann2173]

My problem with Susan was that she just thinks she is the Ted Mosby, but female. Ted Mosby is a shitty person that thinks the universe is somehow denying him a perfect woman after rejecting one perfect woman after another. Susan is somehow always the victim in these situations she gets herself into and it is kinds undermined with how often we're meant to feel sympathy for these adults.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

@@corneliahanimann2173 wow! Perfect comparison. Using it further, Mike is like Robin for her. As soon as Mike doesn’t fit Susan’s idea of him, she doesn’t like him anymore, but I feel when she gets over that, she stays with him longer than Ted did with Robin though.

[@corneliahanimann2173]

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 Yess I can 100% see that, and the infuraiting thing isn't that this is reason to just hate Susan, I feel like this type of character could go explored and be compelling, but we're somehow supposed to find this behaviour endearing and think Susan or Ted are just these clumsy people that have a heart of gold when really, they're demonstrating that these people have anything but a heart of gold and messed up priorities and it's obvious enough that I can't really laugh along with them anymore.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

@@corneliahanimann2173 totally agree.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Katherine was definitely built to be a villain on the show the writer's really screwed up with her character in the end

[@bjanderson_09]

I wonder if Susan’s downfall on the show had anything to do with how hated Terri Hatcher was on the set of the show.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yeah I have wondered about that 🤔

[@alicesophie123]

I find Susan annoying! All the characters do bad things for different reasons! Gabby does bad things because she’s selfish, Bree does bad things because she cares about her image too much, Lynette does bad things because she loves her family! Susan does bad things because “she’s so quirky and clumsy and it’s adorable”…

[@Bollywoodlover100]

this !!!

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

I had mixed feelings about tom and lynette at first because they had nice moments but after a while, I hated them and wanted them to get a divorce too. Following comments from the previous video, I am with you on him being whiny and how it was unfair that they kept going from endeavor to endeavor. Ok, I get that. But as someone who has experience from starting over all the time, I see why it took time to figure out his next move after he quit his job and taking care of the kids. Lunette found her thing. He wanted to find his. I feel the gender roles have reversed in a way. Lynette started over when she became the domestic housewife to take care of the kids, but as soon as she went into work and Tom took over the household, she was in the guy’s role. She focused more on her career, did not care if she was emotionally cheating. The stalking (at the time) seemed what you see guys do more on TV. And in later season, when she wanted to attend presentations at tom’s conference, she was unhappy to just do the spouse activities which I get, but that was a) for his work and b) they have limited amount of seating so it makes sense that she could not attend. I did hate that no one believed Lynette about Kayla especially after she was responsible for persuading Lynette’s sons to fall off a roof. Jeez.

[@angelaholmes8888]

You definitely should do videos on mark cherry's other shows Devious maids and why women kill both shows are great 👍

[@sydneebl9]

i never knew he made why women kill. i loved that show! he must enjoy that teenage lover storyline a lot 🥴

[@TJMalana]

The reason why season 3 mystery got cut short was because Marcia Cross aka Bree was pregnant with twins in real life as well as the writers loved Orson so much that they changed his mystery story line. Orson was supposed to be a villain and die after one season. and season 4 was cut short because the writers strike happened which cut a lot of TV shows short. I loved all the mysteries of the seasons. Orson’s was like a thriller edge of your seat type of mystery while Katherine’s in particular was so tragic.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Season 4 is definitely one of my favorite seasons dana Delaney was up for the role of bree but she turned it down because the character was very similar to her last role on a tv show that had just gotten canceled I forgot the name of the show

[@laffreuxjojo7963]

The end of season 4 might feel rushed or not as good because it was shot in 2007-08, when there was a screenwriters strike. Because of that many shows who ran at that period had to cut short. That's why this season is around 17 episodes whereas all the others have around 22. As a matter of fact, Austin and Danielle should have had an episode where they try to retake the baby.

[@valgerurmariaorsteinsdotti986]

I love these reviews, thank you!! I’ve especially been waiting for these seasons - but I’m also excited to hear what you think after the time jump. I must say, even though Kayla’s storyline was frustrating and I really hated her character, I really admired that the writers had the balls to make a child such an unlikeable villain. I’ve never seen it done in anything else I think (which is actually made for adults and is not some fantasy thing). It’s so difficult and engaging to watch because we can not really blame her - she is only a child - and we feel sorry for her because we know it’s just because of her upbringing.

[@thaboiinblue]

I think the weird pro-life angle of the show has to do with the network. ABC, especially back then, definitely had agendas.

[@bewilderedbunnny]

i have never been interested in watching desperate housewives, but you make it sound very interesting. great video Serena!!

[@SerenaSkybourne]

Thanks Elizabeth :)

[@thatssobrandon]

You're forgetting that one of the main factors of this show is displaying cases of "desperation". It's called Desperate Housewives for a reason. Every character, including the main women, are not supposed to be likeable 100% of the time and we aren't supposed to always agree with what they do. But everyone has been desperate at one time or another and desperation leads to actions that aren't desirable or proud. I don't mind watching your videos but a lot of them come off negative toward a lot of the characters bc I don't think you properly understand the core of the shows-- this one and PLL (not trying to sound rude, just trying to point out the other perspective bc this is my favorite show and I want people to appreciate it to its fullest)

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I think you’re right, I started noticing this while watching s5 so I’ll point it out in the next video

[@thatssobrandon]

@@SerenaSkybourne can't wait!

[@nailafreilich]

I think the reason why we hate Susan is bc she is a caricature. There might be people just as clumsy, some people do neglect their children, others are equally pathologically inclined to people-please, a few might be as self centered, but Susan is all of those things to a caricaturesque degree. Something else I hate is the fact that Susan doesn't do things, things happen to Susan! ( Both good and bad.) I don't understand either why they keep hypersexualizing her. It feels like an attempt to make her more attractive to the viewers. It didn't work. Also, when you meet her mom you'll understand her even less... if you have a terrible mom you overcorrect, she should be the best mom in the show, but she's not. She is the nicest and writes children's books, but when she divorced Karl she couldn't be bothered to feed Julie... Lynnette also has a very difficult relationship with her mom, and yet everything about their relationship makes sense, even fighting her sisters so she doesn't get stuck taking care of her...(There's so much more going, and I'm sure you'll love it!) Bree's mom died when she was little and she developed OCD when she saw her blood. Gabby's mom, might be the worst one... I love the other three because however flawed they might be, they are much more complex and well written characters with messy lives. They are not right, they are not good, but they make sense. Loved the video. Looking forward to the next one! 💓 P.S: i meant to write on the first video you made that health insurance in the US does indeed suck enough for Susan to remarry Karl to get coverage. That was painfully accurate, not far fetched at all!!! - I think I sprained my thumb in the winter and 6 months later I haven't gotten it checked out because I don't feel like paying that bill. (it's getting better, I'll make it!)

[@adrianefagundes5634]

I have to say, although yes, Lynette annoys me sometimes and no, I do not hate Tom, but he does irritate me much more than her. The whole pizza thing was a terrible idea and Lynette's idea to start with a catering job was so smart and Tom was such a spoiled child saying that was not his dream. Again, I don't hate him, I actually like Tom, but he always got his way in their marriage with the kids and keeping his career and he was always very childish to everything. it's like he knew he didn't have to make an effort because Lynette would be there to take the front and, if anything went wrong, he could just blame it all on her. I know she is not perfect and I definetly don't like or agree with her sometimes, but I do think Tom was a hard husband to have. (tho as a couple they were the ones that most made me laugh followed by Gabrielle and Carlos).

[@lilith4961]

I think Lynnette deserves a break, she cheated because she felt overwhelmed by Tom and Rick on the other hand was actually a source of support during a very stressful time.

[@Hugo-G]

The reason people love Gabby but hate Susan is because at least Gabby is enjoyable to watch. She is always so funny, and has hands down the best lines in the show, and Eva Langoria's delivery is superb. Her selfishness is what makes her so fun to watch. However, Susan is just as selfish but none of her scenes are actually funny. She just comes off as whiny and pathetic, and there's nothing really that likeable about her.

[@Rayyyych]

I think the p*do situation with Art was meant to be ambiguous like that with viewers. He leaves those crumbs of doubt after Lynette was so conflicted on if he was one or not as a way of messing with her, always keeping her thinking about whether or not he actually did it. In my mind, I def thought he was one all along and just tried to play it off, but once the whole neighborhood turned on him and his sister was gone he didn’t have anything left to lose.

[@johnharisson5166]

I didnt see anything ambiguous about Art's final scene he basically thanked Lynette for freeing him from the sister that kept him from inducing into his sick perversion

[@Bollywoodlover100]

i definitely read it as him admitting he was one and thanking lynette for her interference because now he was free to act on those urges

[@explorativesam9805]

I have to disagree on your stance concerning the emotional affair between Lynette and Rick. Offcourse, for us the viewers, it was the prologue of the inevitable emotional carcrash. However, I believe that in Lynette's mind it was like this: aslong as it wasn't spoken out, her feelings were private, an elephant in the room. Only when Rick expressed his true feelings, that was when the non existant issue became tangable and hence problematic.

[@yessiritstrue5195]

ino my seasons ranking (without spoilers): 4, 3, 6, 1, 8, 7, 2, 5

[@themightycbiscuit3215]

Susan’s character (imo) always revolved around men. Most of her problems are connected to jealousy, or general relationship problems. While the issues the other housewives face deal more with internal struggles that lead to growth, whether it be good or bad. I really dislike her character throughout every season and after I read articles about how difficult she was to deal with on set, it solidified my disdain.

[@thekage100]

OHHH GOOD YOU ARE STILL POSTING!! Love your work, Serena! Keep it up!

[@SerenaSkybourne]

yes I missed a week to work on this video, I'm absolutely still posting :)

[@thekage100]

@@SerenaSkybourne ohh right! Its a whole hour! Thats amazing!

[@TJMalana]

The funniest part was when Zach and Gabby were “dating” was the part when Zach tried to kiss her and he opened his mouth so wide that he in Gabbys words used his “tongue like a windshield wiper” and vacuum her mouth! I couldn’t help but laugh out loud watching that scene! 😂

[@yinyin8769]

Susan was my favorite main character at the beginning and by the end she was my least favorite. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on her in the later seasons :D

[@davy209]

When it comes to Carlos/Gaby’s relationship in season 4, at first, I wasn’t too thrilled seeing them get back together again, especially how toxic their relationship was since the very beginning. I loved how they ended they marriage amicably at the end of season 3, and they were better people when they were apart, but their relationship grew on me when they had their affair because it was so damn cute watching them falling in love with each other all over again and getting remarried but for the right reasons this time around. What makes Carlos/Gabby relationship work so well is because the actors (Eva and Ricardo) have such great chemistry together and that solidified their relationship as one of the only two couples as endgame to the very end of the show. I personally think that originally, Carlos and Gaby’s relationship was written to fall apart quickly and have the character of Carlos get written off the show early on, but the chemistry between Eva and Ricardo was so strong, the writers kept their relationship intact all the way till the very end of the show!

[@Sims2ProducsionMaker]

Love this video series so much, a lot of nostalgia for a show I loved watching way back. Bree was always my favorite and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on her character moving forward. Also VERY curious if Edie will be able to redeem herself in season 5 as I remember her being more likeable in that one.

[@alliestella97]

personally I felt like the time jump kind of killed the show for me. Those first 4 seasons were the best

[@raccooninadumpster7664]

the reason season 4's fianle was so underwhelming was because of the writers strike and they didn't have any writers so the plot points they were gonna make for 5 five never happened. they only did little hints like, how carlos suggests kids again, and how bree and cathrine just start up their business. and why they also made the flash backs for season fve because of the writers strike. sorry for any spelling mistakes

[@000AnnA000D]

at around 27:00 you say "tom isn't emasculated for once because he's in charge at the pizzaria" and can we please stop acting like men need to be dominant and that theyre emasculated if theyre more submissive

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I say this because Lynette is unbelievably controlling and it makes him feel less than, he’s normally not in charge

[@crazydoglady2954]

@Accio Libris ✨📚 agree. His decision mattered. He did Lynette dirty for a looong time. He is the worst character

[@petalchild]

​@SerenaSkybourne She really isn't. Tom has forced her to give up pretty much everything that matters to her. Not to mention, Lynette is the only competant adult in the relationship.

[@angelaholmes8888]

I absolutely enjoyed season 3 it's definitely an improvement over season 2

[@Rosalyne-20]

The Tom being dominanted by Lynette is so untrue when she sacrificed her career to take care of the kids when he’s the one who wanted kids mind you he manipulated her when in the first she agree to get married with him because they both agreed to not have kids and when she wanted to go back to work he refused or the way he always complained about taking care of his own kids while she was working asking her to basically give up her job again but never help her when she was the one staying at home you being way too harsh on her when Tom have been very selfish and immature

[@petalchild]

Exactly, the premise of their "arrngement" is so ridiculous to begin with. I really can't believe this creator's take on the situation.

[@megglytuff]

DAMN IM EARLY FUCK YEAH

[@megglytuff]

idk shit about housewives but i love this channel fuck yeah

[@SerenaSkybourne]

@@megglytuff i love that you don't even know this show haha

[@loveart429]

I love your in depth commentary and you're doing a great job with this series x

[@kellysnyder1405]

I never missed an episode when it ran originally from 2004 to 2012. I own all 8 seasons and watch my favorite seasons and episodes or simply begin from episode 1 and watch each through to the last episode. Very comfortable to me being that during its ABC run, life for me was uncomplicated and happy. DH returns me to feeling cozy when life gets too hectic. I love your review!!!

[@kaitlyntaylor119]

I feel the same about DH!!! I’ve watched it all the way through 10 times over. Such a guilty pleasure/nostalgic/comfort show!

[@gracemarie02]

I agree about Susan. After season one, I was completely tired of her whole character. Her only plots throughout the whole show revolve around a love interest and showing her in lingerie at any chance they can get. WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOU SUSAN!!

[@thegrimlooper]

Might be a hot take, but if you like Katherine, it shows us everything we need to know about you lol -Orson’s circumcision went bad because he was 5 years old at the time. It’s completely different if done as a newborn. Heals better, faster and easier especially if the caretaker does a proper job. I cared for a few elderly men with uncircumcised and it was awful for the patients before they moved into the care-home.

[@petalchild]

Agreed lol

[@whaliensuperstar]

I really started to not like Susan or care for her storylines because it was almost always Susan *lying* to someone, making others lie for her or deceiving them in some way. I don’t compare her to any other characters bad deeds and I hate Edie more now. She gets away with so much. Mike doesn’t call her out on the repeat behavior as much as he should nor do her friends. She says “ no more lying” and does it again when she doesn’t get what she wants. At least when gabi or Lynette get caught in a lie they have their husbands to at least call them out, especially Carlos in gabi’s case. Or they come clean. I liked Lynette more in s4 because of it. Susan doesn’t really come clean unless she can’t lie anymore & she pretends that it’s justified. As much as Bree is shown to care about ppl’s perception of her, I think Susan obsesses over looking like a good person more than she wants to BE a good person and it bothers me a lot. She’s the biggest hypocrite in the show IMO. Also regarding Katherine’s reason why she lied abt Dylan’s death, she talked abt the reason in the flashback in the last ep of s4. I think u can not like the storyline but let’s not pretend she NEVER explained that she only lied abt Dylan dying bc she knew Wayne was going to come looking for her. She said if he found out his daughter was dead that he would make it look like she killed Dylan to hurt him instead of it being a freak accident as it was. He was a police officer and an abusive maniac so I absolutely believe she had reason to believe that he’d do that. Especially since he immediately threatened to kill Dylan in front of Katherine just to hurt her once he found out she wasn’t his daughter.

[@pinkette4gd]

I think the hate for Susan was amplified by the dislike of Teri the actress that plays her. There was some alleged drama off screen that was her against the other girls. I feel like it seeped into her character’s story.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

that would make sense

[@mcb820]

Currently binging this show myself for the first time so these videos are perfect timing lol

[@iamnothedwig]

Season 4 is definitely my FAVE! Also I have to say, that guy Art was definitely a p*do and that's why he said that at the end. Season 3 was my most watched season and I knew as soon as she saw that basement.

[@katarinakrnjevic8183]

Kyle Macklachlan was so good as Orson his story is the reason why Desperate housewifes improved.

[@OhNoYTeo]

lynette is my favourite in season 6

[@AD-ov5rt]

The internet needed a DH breakdown, it's been unfairly forgotten about and it's due for a cultural re-examination.

[@yelena86]

You should do a deep dive into Melrose Place as the actors Bree and Tom were in it. It was a massive hit show, this is just showing how old I am. That show was considered scandalous for the time lol, a group of young single people in one apartment block, imagine the chaos ratched up to 100 😂

[@violetr7296]

The story was that Art actually WAS. What Lynette thought he was, you left out the thing that Lynette actually did in that situation and WHY she felt so guilty about Art leaving. Not because he was leaving, or that she even started the riot, just that her actions and rumor-spreading caused Art’s sick sister to die because of how much stress it brought her. Art basically tells her when he leaves that he kept it a secret bc of how it would effect her

[@thatssobrandon]

Also: the creator wanted to include an abortion storyline but the network said no

[@johnvignola9323]

definitely disappointing that the possible pedophile storyline ends the way it does. It is suggested that the guy never acted on his compulsions while his sister was alive and now that Lynette unleashing the mob causes her to die (not the only time she unleashes a mob on a crowd in the series!), he is going to leave town and presumably start actively becoming pedo and that is simply the end of it, we never hear from him again. Also when Tom's daughter gets shipped off, she is never heard from again, which is disappointing also. This season begins Toms and Lynette's never ending troubles which it is both of their fault always, but she is so awful with the guy she hired at the restaurant!

[@TJMalana]

😡

[@ashleyching5786]

2 women fighting over a man is pathetic. 2 men fighting over a woman is romantic.

[@ashleyching5786]

Susan, curiously childish

[@clown-cult96]

Season 3 Eddie is who Cassie Howard is going to grow up to be.

[@RachelIlacqua14]

Yes!!!! So true

[@edwina3416]

So i starten my rewatch again, and i did take notes. For season 3 1. Nora was the worst, i really hated her. The first scene we see her and already shr as awfull. How she didn't bring her daughter and than guilt drip Tom. What Lynett did throu with her and Tom being no Help. 2. Eddie Britt i really like, yeah okay it was not okay that she lied to Mike, but they were than really good together for a time. 3 Susan entitlement about it. Saying Eddie is an Villain, and that Good always conquered Evil. I really hate that. It was so imature and you were the one who gave up about Mike and start dating Ian and Jump in bed with him to soon. And then how she rushed to back to Mike and gave Ian the fault. 4. The theory that Mike killed the woman because she had his nummber on her Hand? What? He is a clembner, she could write the number and than was murderd. That was so stupid. 5 Carlos affair was just awfull. Excpecially because she has they're kid. Gaby was rightfully angry and hurt, it wasn't just any woman but the woman who would give him the one think Gaby couldn't give him a child. How he didn't understand that Gaby was really hurt and how he moved back in. And then that they didn't even got the child. 6. I really love the scene were Susan,Lynett anf Gaby sit on Lynettes borch and Drink its one of the funny scene. How Lynett said: yeah, he is hot" about Carlos ,so good. 7 the hole think that Susan didn't trust Julie its so frustrated. She is your daughter, she is more an adult than her mother. How she said she is really disapointed about her. Its so arrr, i really don't like Susan. 8. I found the scene about the Supermarkt really good. Lynetts actress was so good, how she react when Nora died was amazing. It really was an Tricks Situation. Nora dtarted it with still talking and than saying that Lynett want to still her daughter. Would Lynett not say than that Nora kissed her husband, ehe sould be the one who got shoot. 9 the hole pizzarie think is so bad, Tom buying it without telling Lynett what just awfull. Than when he was injured how he did it harder for Lynett. When he said:" Can't you do that little think for me?" Like what? It seems she almost always do Think for him. She didn't want kid, got 4 for him. Gave her carrier up, because he said it was better for the children Welcomed his child from another woman in her familie, and her terible mother. She lost her job because he wanted her Help for the Festival. 10 i really like Mcclusky and that she became a burger role in the Serie. She is so funny and her actress is amazing

[@angelaholmes8888]

I absolutely hate nora I was glad to see get killed

[@edwina3416]

I few points i forgot: 12. Bree second man is such an netter match for her. Much More than Rex ever was. 13. I really like Andrew how he change and wasn't that angry boy anomyore and his and Bree realationship is so much better. 14 Danielle was just awfull how she sleeped with Edies nephew and did tell Julie she should wait. Because of course he couldn't want to sleep with Daniele when he could sleep with Julie. 15 Carlos become mich better as the series go on. 16 Victore was just an wierd weiten character. They just wanted an new loveinterest for Gaby but still wanted her to get back together with Carlos.

[@angelaholmes8888]

@@edwina3416 I absolutely hate danielle she's definitely one of my least favorite characters in the series

[@edwina3416]

@@angelaholmes8888 yeah she is awfull.

[@_Celine_26]

56:58 yep there's a reason for that and that's because it was broadcasted on ABC studios and the network wouldn't allow the mention of abortion. there's worth about it in season 6 and 8 unfortunately

[@KatelynMariee]

I’d love to see you do once upon a time!

[@alexjames7144]

The whole thing with the nonce, I felt like it was quite cut and dry because there is no innocent explanation for that

[@iyanalovejoy6786]

you actually agreeing more so with Tom rather than lenette is insane to me because Tom has been so outrageously selfish and annoying since season 1 , the pizzeria situation was inevitable because you’re right they are a very toxic couple just as toxic as Gabby and Carlos. Tom time after time disrespected lenette and always puts her down and talks to her crazy and puts her in situations where she can’t say no or he guilts her into so many things. Idk it’s so weird that you didn’t clock that

[@petalchild]

Thank you. Big yikes @ this creator (and I say this as somebody who has enjoyed many of her videos outside of this one)

[@mikekarman6026]

A comment to around 1:04:00 Catherine acts guilty because she feels guilty. The wardrobe, that killed Dylan, only fell on her, because Dylan tried to climbed on it to retrieve the stuffed animal she got from her father. And Catherine put the stuffed animal on that wardrobe because she didn't want Waynes stuff close to Dylan. So yeah, I really understand her guilt. And she had that feeling she had to replace Dylan, because Wayne would make it look like it wasn't an accident but a horrible thing Catherine did. And she was afraid of the consequences. Well... anyways, thanks for talking about Desperate Housewives! As You said, nobody on KZbin seems to xD I like those videos and seeing Your perspective on things. Have a great day! Mike

[@hadia8931]

just finished the show and went to search reviews & analysis and was so shocked to see their was so little!! love your videos.

[@jessali_]

The creator of the show was a Republican at the time, so it makes sense that the show is pro life like that. Plus, it was a different time when networks wouldn't have allowed the word abortion to even be uttered on television. As for Gabby and Bree, they are extremely selfish people, but, unlike Susan, they are interesting, entertaining, and hilarious. And they all go through so much character development overall (not necessarily in the selfish department) and Susan always stays exactly the same. That's why people love Gabby and Bree so much. I personally find it a pleasure to watch them. They are SUCH good characters - not good people. But AMAZING characters. :)

[@TJMalana]

Only towards the end of the series finale did we finally see Susan evolve into a stronger character.

[@MissticAly]

I feel like Lynette has been through so much manipulation and abuse in her relationships it has make her a obsessive person to the point she's so toxic. Still I can't bring myself to not like her when I believe Tom is just the MOST dangerous person and the show treats him like a poor nice guy with a crazy wife. Like, I know Lynette has done like really bad, manipulative, obsessive things to him but every time she does one I think like "f* he deserves it" o like "oh poor guy rlly, oh, never mind actually Lynette wasn't paranoid and he's been a jerk"... I just... Feel constantly like Lynette is traped... I mean from the very beginning of they're relationship... He was cheating on his former gf with Lynette... With Nora too, I mean, OK Lynette was being toxic? Yes, but actually she had motives xd Tom had been lying to her BIG TIME. And with the pizza guy... I mean after every thing Tom lies about, manipulates her, treats her... I understand it's hidden because Tom is present as a nice guy and Lynette as a paranoid crazy woman so it's no that obvious, I believe, that she's trapped in a abuse relationship. That's why when she's like cheating on him I see it as a woman finally losing her grips. It's the best way? Of course not, she should have like break up with him and that's all. The thing with this kind of relationships it's precisely that you can't do that. You deeply think he's nice and you are in love and only him can love you and that you have to deal with the shitt** things he does to you caus that's love and that the love she has expirience actually. That plus ALL neighborhood treating you like a crazy woman and him like a poor guy. I mean come on it's just impossible to think straight and objectively... That's why when she does "bad" things to him o treats him badly I like kind of support her like "yes, get out of there the way you can girl". Don't get me wrong obviously I don't support most of her actions and I believe she's cross the line many times but you need to be aware of her context, and I personally believe she's an abused woman and the things she do wrongly are justified. At least most of them I don't remember every little bad thought she made xd.

[@bjanderson_09]

Overall, this show is horrible with consent.

[@annickroussemrou1064]

another amazing retrospectiv, well done. i fully agree with you with all the double standard of some characters in the show, it was so spot on. i think the reason why many people disliked susan was because compared with all the other differents type of housewifes (neurotic, sexy, conniving,...) the archetypes of the clumsy girl next door maybe was to common at that thime on tv? people may have be fed up of the susan type? i always prefered bree even from season one, i in some way had sympathy for in the beginning, wanting to achieve perfection (bei,g perfect mom, perfect wife, perfect neighbor...) but missing the point of being real authentic and connecting emotionnaly with her family.she just was shaped by her mother insecurities and flaws who was always cheated by her dad, never show weaknesses.

[@edwina3416]

For season 4: 1.the hole Kyla think. She is so awfull. What i didn't understand why they didn't do more about that she was the one who Made the twins Jump from the roof. They would deffinetly Said it. They already told that she was the one who came up with the idea with the fire. 2. The hole tornando scene was so good, excpecialy when Lynett saw the house. So amazing. Than the next episode how it startet, i always cry its so amazing. And how Edie gave McClusty Support in such an sweet way. And Lynette wanz to fullfay Eidas last wish. 3. I don't really like the Storyline with Carlos blinddog. I understand that Gaby shouldn't hit Carlos, but he also shouldn't let Roxy in their bed. Excepecially on Gabys side, yeah okay she could sleep on they're for but why on her side? 4. I think Bree didn't really did anything wrong when it is about her Ball. Kathrin did take it all from Bree, it is Bree's event and not hers. How she said nothing should leave the kitchen without her permission. Again it is Brees event not hers. Bree was trying to tel her that the Dip was bad, but she didn't want to listen. 5 yeah the mystery was rushed, but that was because of the Writer Strike . 6.And again i don't like Susan because she do think wrong and nothing Happen to her because of it. And she always do as she is the nicest Person around. 7.i like that they skip 5 yeats. Because it is realistisch that not every year something Happen.

[@davidbrennan5973]

I started watch DH back in 2008 during season 4 Katherine’s storyline scared the shit out of me!

[@susan5978]

pplease please please talk about dead like me

[@Xmasonfieldingx]

the tornado episodes are some of my faves they're fantastic. Also I never disliked susanne in the show really, I did get bored at points because of her repetitive story lines but I liked her as a character through the whole show, when she becomes a cam girl is my fave storyline of hers

[@Kelps_K]

48:39 omg when the Swedish subtitles came on 😅❤️ Sweden represents 😂🇸🇪

[@TVChild3]

I don’t get how you don’t get that Art was definitely a pedophile but hadn’t acted on it because of his sister. And his sister died because of Lynette, making Lynette “responsible” for what Art will do next once he moved. That’s like the entire point of the storyline.

[@2gunnnzz]

Thank you so much for this deep dive you’ve been working on for DH ! Literally have been watching and rewatching this show since i was 13, its been 10 years and i still dont see anyone on YT talking about it :( ive been dying for some commentary on it and you did this show justice!!

[@jasmyneperryman9629]

Yes yes yes love it serena great video 😊

[@kellystan4597]

I finally finished the series yesterday thanks to your videos!! I had stopped at some point in early season 6. Definitely worth finishing lol 😆

[@SerenaSkybourne]

Yessss I’m glad you did!