THE GREAT CHALLENGER 1 PROJECT!! with a not so great start ...

[@malcpaul996]

I used to work on these in Sennelager from 1989 to 1992. Never seen them in such a bad condition. Good luck, you're going to need it.

[@TanksalotGB]

Any advice is appreciated 😂

[@Beauloqs]

"Sennelager.............possibly the worst lager in the world"

[@Beauloqs]

.......that being said, I do miss Wolfgang.

[@kippamip]

​@@Beauloqsit didn't matter where you was on starple, he'd find you.

[@kippamip]

It's been 10 years that I can think of that the old range heap has been sat there. It had concrete in for ballast last time I seen it. The engine also left to the elements as well for just as long. I was hoping Mr Hewes would have purchased it but alas.

[@kite7214]

It's a pity with all those vehicles to repair, that the two of you have to work out in the rain and cold. Why doesn't the boss build you a warm workshop so you can be more productive indoors rather than wading through mud in a field? He must have a couple of bob now he has sold all those vehicles? Everything looks so primitive. But you two are such enthusiastic guys that you still make the video worthwhile to watch.

[@TanksalotGB]

My dad once told me, there’s no such thing as bad weather on a very wet day, just incorrect clothing, I went home to dry off 😂

[@SeanONeill-mw4jc]

The serfs have to know their place! 😅

[@TanksalotGB]

It’s partly about room, swapping tracks and lifting turrets are an outside job then when it’s mobile get it inside

[@bmhor]

Best cure I've found for stuck engines is to heat transmission fluid and pour it hot down the bores and let it do it's stuff... Best of luck it's going to be a PROJECT!!! Bob

[@vz60ify]

Or put hot ( 60 to 80 C ) diesel into it.

[@dick8193]

@@vz60ify Half and half AT fluid and acetone at air temp also works well.

[@RupertBear412]

personally (after jet washing the pack and moving it somewhere clean and under cover, preferably warm with lighting) I would remove the injectors/FIP Rack and get some penetrating oil in there - it will also aid to decompress the engine

[@TanksalotGB]

That’s the next plan of attack

[@woods457]

Bolt the nose cone back on the flywheel housing, select the worst starter motor out of the three, and weld a big 1" drive socket on the bendix/pinion shaft, then use a long 1" drive breaker bar to try turning it over by hand, the mechanical advantage of turning the ring gear might be better than simply trying to lever the teeth up and down with a prybar..

[@GuyHindley-k6w]

@@woods457 you ex reme then ? Lol

[@mattkingaby]

Christ alive, good luck rebuilding that outside. See if you can find a half decent pack while you take that one inside for a full rebuild.

[@garryhodges9277]

You probably know already but didn't want to look at all the comments, yes, both starters can work at same time though we never really used to. A toggle switch in dvrs cab, A bank or B bank starter, you would always use A bank (not sure what side that is?!) and only on a cold start would you crank with no fuel pumps on using A bank, then crank on B bank. Back to A bank to crank & then flick pumps on & she would fire up. Always with the APU on & charging... that would be difficult with the pack on the floor!

[@AlexanderAustin-Charlton-dd8fn]

YT recomendation win! I adore challys and saw this for sale or something, keen to see where this goes!

[@martinwhitaker6046]

2 starters, b bank was always a pig to get off. Can be started with either or both starters but preferred with both. There were some CR1 prototypes without armour which might explain why it's there... I cut my teeth on these things and I can't wait to watch how you progress with it...

[@TanksalotGB]

You sound like a very handy person to know🤔🤔

[@martinwhitaker6046]

It was over 30 odd years ago mind...happy to chip in where I can help...

[@TanksalotGB]

It will all come flooding back

[@jackfrancis3587]

Yes, it prefers both banks and will start on one. This is a CV12 4a/b being a challanger one.... maybe a 5a if memory serves...been a while. I do have the repair manual PDF! 6a is chally 2. 7 was used in another tank 8a is used in titan and trojan 9a is being put into challanger 3 6a and 8a are still built and remanufactured at Caterpillar Shrewsbury. Which is where I worked. And we did upgrade the starters on a particular programme. Tbh... it seems that we always used 2 for redundancy reasons.

[@TanksalotGB]

How would one go about the repair manual pdf 🤔😂

[@davidwebster3948]

Looking forward to this one. It's a great piece of tank history and deserves to be up and running again. Good luck with it lads 👍

[@TanksalotGB]

Fingers crossed!

[@halliwedge]

Challenger 1 has been my favorite tank in terms of looks, glad you lads found and got a hold of this one, I look forward to your continued effort on this beauty.

[@robm.4512]

Might I suggest that you score a tarp to cover the thing and utilise the marvellous de-seizing attributes of diesel. Use it copiously, apply weekly using paintbrush and/or garden spray, chuck half a pint down each cylinder bore and top up as required weekly. Repeat cycle for a month or two before bothering to bugger about much more. It’ll make shifting stuff a great deal easier, prevent you from damaging stuff, and it’s cheaper and as effective as any of the proprietary de-seizing “magic potions.” Kerosene (household heating fuel) isn’t too shabby either but is overall a little less penetrative, though equally fractionally more lubricant, than diesel.

[@depleteduraniumcowboy3516]

I do love y'alls optimism. I can tell from here, ya, that ain't gonna move. Ya, that is seized. Best of luck!

[@TanksalotGB]

Glass half full kind people 😂

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

No concrete to dig out with this one though..😂

[@waynemetevia7983]

This is my first time watching your channel, so i don't know what sort of equipment (tools) you have or resources (money), but if at all possible it looks like that engine needs to be completely disassembled and rebuilt. Wishing you the best of luck and looking forward to seeing progress videos.

[@GavJepson]

Hi there . Love the channel. Only recently come aware of it but hell ! 👨🏻‍🔧 Nerdy Don't know if you got any further was wondering ... The gearbox PTO , through two idlers drives off the torque converter which is effectively the input shaft from the engine. Could you uncouple the prop shaft from the fan unit and rig a leaver to rock the engine ? Probably give a ratio of about 4 to 1 . There is a slipper clutch built into the PTO but it might (😂) hold enough to ease her . Also ... That's a challenger 2 transmission unit , albeit an early one. Good luck anyway fellas .

[@TanksalotGB]

I did try baring through those parts but to no avail, off the flywheel I was getting movement and hearing alot of compression sounds but not even close to a turn, we’re working on a second video but the idea is to get all injectors etc out !

[@agt155]

Could you not put lengths of threaded bar/long bolts in two of those holes in the flywheel and try levering the engine round.

[@porkpie9999]

good luck boys, looking forward to seeing this one come together

[@_Matsimus_]

Poor girl 😢

[@_7-7-7_]

Give it time and she will be running like an escort with a cold

[@mikeb7931]

I thought the Challenger 1s were reserve tanks! That thing could probably still shoot through two T-72Rs!

[@chrisjude8794]

Definitely looking forward to part two Tanksalot love will surely win the day Every faith it’s going to run 💯👍😎

[@clivehibburt]

Look like a big job but it be nice to see that engine run great video 👍

[@TanksalotGB]

Thanks, hope your here to see it 👍

[@Alfsp1]

Id love to come tiny your work shop up !😮😅

[@mcpakman]

Ive changed an unholy number of those starters with the engine red hot, still easier than changing the starter on a cvrt when its in situ

[@happymonkey7068]

It'll be nice to see this tank cleaned up and running. It'll be a crowd pleasers, and one of a kind.

[@TanksalotGB]

That’s the plan, we want a fleet of interesting stuff !

[@ben1895]

More of this please! No one on KZbin is restoring a chally one

[@TanksalotGB]

We’re working on it, sadly it will be a slow project because I want the videos to be longer and worthwhile watching but hopefully you’ll like them !

[@ben1895]

@@TanksalotGB I think most of us will be more than happy to wait.

[@Beauloqs]

"Sometimes I feel we brutalize things......", that gentleman got you a sub 😂😂

[@paulbradby547]

Keep going with it, it will be great to see it run.

[@TanksalotGB]

We’re in for the long haul !

[@Ralph94967]

Got your work cut with that one Ashley. Wellsee the old mans letting you crack on with it

[@Scano41]

That's guna be a nice tank when restored can't wait to see it

[@TanksalotGB]

It certainly will be, it’s gonna be a long road

[@RadfahrerProductions]

Realy a great, massive challange!

[@Beauloqs]

........I see what you did there.

[@pete.theeggbox]

to think the other week was working on a donkey engine on a pallet on the forklift out the back of the workshop in the sunshine, shirt off, like a perfect holiday for me, had issues getting the starter motor off as well, the three bolts being Allen type, and that third one in the back, you can see the hole with a torch perfectly in line with the starter body, you cannot get a 3/8s drive in there with the socket on the end, so i had to chop one of my 6mm Allen keys up, use the longer side in a 1/4inch drive and 6mm with many extensions to fit the length behind the starter and swear at it to fall out - I WON ! and nobody died - don't you just love problem solving, its just the frustration of hacking tools up to fit that some dumb ass engineer couldn't design right in the first place to give the mechanics a chance to undo things without specialized tools and do the job in faster time i will look at our engine and see if it has a starter, pretty sure its well stripped by now

[@AW-Services]

Brilliant video Ash, always wondered if challenger ones were in civilian ownership. When was this one produced

[@Maxfoster2712]

Hi guys I actually build the challenger 2 transmission, so if you guys need any help on that side I’d be more than happy!

[@TanksalotGB]

I’m sure we probably will need help on that side 😂and the other side, anything you can add is a massive help !

[@Gijones73]

We used to turn over the engine with a pick handle in the fans!

[@Sh4quille0atmeal]

we all know the real Challenger is the british fridge with the 17-pounder!

[@rocksnot952]

You need to lift the engine and look in the crankcase...

[@jameslynch7826]

Without a proper Lad troop and a large logistical chain it’s unlikely that they will ever get the thing up to anywhere near operational reliability. Sadly. They need regular use which is costly even for the army. It’ll break the bank. However The Gue would make a lovely present to Ukraine . They really need generators Having said that Again it’s the spares issue Coventry Climax Originally a boat engine An engineer could make a lovely generator out of that in Ukraine.

[@Ralph94967]

It’s hitting a ring on the top of the cylinder. Add bet

[@chrisbacon3071]

Can’t wait to see this tank running!!

[@TanksalotGB]

Me too !

[@chrisbacon3071]

@@TanksalotGB soon I’ll be going off to drive the descendants of this prototype Chally!

[@TanksalotGB]

@@chrisbacon3071 good luck to you 👍if u come across any spares let us know 😂

[@chrisbacon3071]

@@TanksalotGB Will do! 😎 and thanks! 😉

[@simonfazackerley8131]

I would be checking if the starter motors rotating in the same direction. Because they mount on different sides I bet there 'handed'

[@blindfoldedmissile]

It's so pretty, do you guys get to keep the tank when you're done with it?

[@TanksalotGB]

Oh ye, she’ll be our baby !

[@davidboyle4571]

Give Mr hewes a shout that's what they do look him up mr hewes.

[@aarondavies8486]

I thought the same them boys are the don

[@mrt7152]

Trying to rotate with bruut force an engine that lay decades out in the elements is a recipe for disaster. You are most likely to destroy something. Best corse of action is to visually inspect the cilinders, cam shafts, crank case etc etc.

[@nicholaswilks2194]

I thought there was an issue with the armour being classified? Or has it been removed?

[@Woodn509]

Not all prototypes had it

[@dartmoordave]

As an ex-chertsey man, those are just ballast plates.

[@GuyHindley-k6w]

Iis the chally a prototype the reason i ask is because the loaders hatch is circular chally one was the same as cheftain but chally two is round could you clarify this for me please ?

[@TanksalotGB]

So this is the atr 1 as far as we can tell, so the automotive test rig. But there’s alot of similarities of challenger 1 and chieftain 👍

[@GuyHindley-k6w]

@@TanksalotGB OK atr 1 have no clue what that is but will research it immediately thank you for your reply I'm am ex royal signals but wanted to be at tanky failed the maths on entrance exam look forward to your next enstorlment reference this vehicle out .

[@ianatkinson8464]

😎👍

[@thewomble1509]

That's NOT a C1, strictly speaking. It's one of the trials vehicles for the MBT80 project that came to nothing.

[@TanksalotGB]

Your dead right, atr 1 or 2 I believe, but there’s a lot of challenger bits in it

[@thewomble1509]

@@TanksalotGB Thanks for taking my comment in the way it was meant. I wasn't trying to be a smart arse, just a huge military vehicle enthusiast.

[@9wjsi]

Is this for sale?

[@biker6991]

There is 2 starters. Abank and B bank

[@sandythompson4256]

Better with both starters

[@leevaughan7887]

I thought all cr1 got converted to the cr2 im pretty sure the armour was still a secret

[@TanksalotGB]

This one is shir2 prototype

[@woods457]

Most Challenger I's were sold to Oman, i believe they went for a single pound (£) as the money would be in the training and spare parts and support package...Others i think were dumped into the sea to make artificial reefs/breaks..

[@agt155]

@@TanksalotGB It looks to have hydrogas suspension, Shir 2 had Chieftain type suspension, which is interesting.

[@HJDore]

@@woods457Jordan not Oman. Oman bought new build Challenger 2’s in the 90’s.

[@HJDore]

@@TanksalotGBclose but it’s actually one of the two automotive test rigs (ATR 1 if I remember correctly) which were used to test automotive and gunnery components and systems for the MBT 80 program. Both ATR 1 & 2 used shir 2 hulls as the MBT 80 program hadn’t delivered a final design concept yet however Leeds were tooled up for shir 2. The other ATR is sat in the VCC at bovington tank museum and was cut in half an welded an aluminum based rear hull portion to test the possibility of utilizing aluminum in the less armoured areas of future MBT’s.

[@paulwadey2648]

Dip it in a vat of wd40 for 24 hrs ....Will sort it ....

[@martinjones5353]

Rolls-Royce CV12 / Perkins 3012 - set fire to it, best thing really.

[@garethcarter4122]

Wang the turret of and fabricate a cab like the driver training tanks so all the family can go along on car crush days

[@TanksalotGB]

I think there would be an uproar 😂

[@user-andywelch]

Not a good start but sound like you don't let things bet you 😊

[@TanksalotGB]

We’ll get there !!

[@ringo196]

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