The GREATEST NORD is Ysmir Wulfharth? | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #41

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[@WindveilGT]

“In 420, becomes High King” hmmmmm

[@deshawnbrown3884]

They call it "high hrothgar" for a reason lol

[@jedjedjedjedjedjed]

Huhuhuh

[@figzntreezfigueroa5664]

Niiceee

[@99shadowviper]

🤙🏻🤙🏻

[@Playaplaya18]

That, and this talk of him swallowing clouds... 👌

[@TheWingusDingus]

One day, Scott is going to get caught with a "Lusty Argonian Maid" visual novel reflecting off his glasses.

[@aceundead4750]

It's a good read, just gotta make sure you're in the privacy of your bedroom or bathroom first. With no cameras, or mirrors, or windows. No witnesses to the unholy debauchery. But a really good read.

[@XenohGG]

More of a The Real Barenziah fan myself, Argonian Maid is a little too pedestrian

[@TheMooseOnTheLeft]

@@XenohGG I made almost this exact comment on Reddit like 2 months ago! Real Barenziah is much more of an adventure.

[@WK-gx2zs]

I just want to brush up on my spear maintenance...

[@Ruby_Eve]

​@@WK-gx2zsand how to make yeast rise in a loaf

[@Theology.101]

Ysmir is just someones Player Character and they’ve gone buck wild

[@aboomer420]

what's goin on upair?

[@kgm4556]

He found the fortify restoration glitch.

[@richardlionerheart1945]

Just like pelinal

[@ronanhealy6700]

@@aboomer420 8jj88 u88uuu8 u88 uuu8 8 u8 uu88 jj8jj8 j8 8 u8 j8 j8 u88 8 8ju8 8jj8 uuuuu8 u8

[@ctrlaltdelooms]

That’s an interesting thought actually. All the other player characters carry many titles after a full play through so perhaps we’ll be able to experience Ysmir first-hand at some point

[@jack_corvinus]

That idea of singing shor into the world is really interesting. Is it possible that the Last Dragonborn was summoned by song? The intro song to Skyrim, the bards singing about the Dragonborn coming, you get the idea. Also plays into the theory that the Last Dragonborn is a Shezzarine, since Shor is not present in Sovngarde and the player can sit in Shor's Throne.

[@keaganowen5940]

The greatest nord is obviously Jarl balgruuf, he lives in the CLOUD DISTRICT. Does ysmir get to the cloud district very often? What am I saying, of course he doesn't.

[@richardlionerheart1945]

He probably did even more he was in it's unaltered state he was in the prime cloud district

[@Nollic15]

Balgruuf is an imperial collaborator and traitor to his race.

[@Dnote113]

This is an amazing comment. I have joke to make here, it just needed to be said.

[@zhitchcresttail3387]

@@Nollic15 you dirty stormcloaks deserve no quarter.

[@AnradTheUnvaxxed]

Go back to Hammerfel Nazeem, you're not welcome here!

[@EpicW00t1]

The way I see the learning of the thu’um is Kyne gave man the ability to use it and Paarthurnax taught them how to control it

[@dustinjackson4761]

That makes sense. If Kyne is considered to be a divine mother figure (giving the breath of life/guiding the dead into the aftermath) Paarthurnax is then to be considered an intermediary between life and death by teaching the Old Nords to use the breath as a weapon. So, would that make Paarthurnax a brother/father figure?

[@Duskstone89]

You can speak to the other Greybeards , but they just bow to you and whisper "Dovahkiin" and the room starts to rumble. So it definitely seems like mastering the Thu'um makes your voice carry power no matter the words

[@hellodumzo]

Dovahkiin is dragonspeak tho.

[@blksmagma]

When you go up to the other Greybeards, they say a word ("Dragonborn", iirc to greet the player) and then you hear a loud rumbling. This is to suggest that, for them, any word whatsoever is uttered is contains an immense amount of power.

[@dbehnia2351]

But importantly, I belive it only happens after you do their quests, beforehand I don’t think they talk.

[@bacd-nn2lg]

"By Ysmir, you won't leave here alive!"😊

[@Stuffman1861]

"Everyone likes Drew's voice" Never a truer word spoken.

[@Arnaere]

I prefer Michael. Drew sounds as if he's always reading a script but Michael sounds like he's conversing with you. Drew starts on a rising tone and always ends on a falling tone (he's secretly a known Scot).

[@tylermech66]

@@Arnaere nah

[@denakarganta1502]

Please do one on Aka and Lorkhan and their connections, and how both aren't really opposed to each other, like how Pelinal is possibly a time traveler but also is a Shezzarine, so he had to manipulate space and time which both Aka and Lorkhan represent.

[@chadmaple2411]

YES please do this! I've always wondered why Akatosh and Shezarr were so intertwined in tamrielic history

[@denakarganta1502]

@@chadmaple2411 yeah because, even in the eleven versions they are intertwined, though as opposing forces, however in my own theory I believe that Auriel and Lorkhan are not as opposed as they appear and even with Alessia's rebellion it was Auriel or Akatosh helping the humans both for selfish and selfless reasons due to the Aleyids daedra worship and their brutality but with the marukharthi selective they tried to retroactively mix elements of Shezzar with Akatosh but there are either two outcomes, one they succeeded or two they failed but the attempt still caused a dragon-break but all the timelines converged and Akatosh remained still for a time until the next dragon-break.

[@Shawanga]

I too think they are intertwined, but going off of the theory that every god worshiped by all cultures is real but as a some sort of a split personality of the same aspect, each personality gaining power from their worshipers, I think that Lorkhan was really behind the Alessia rebelion, or at least someone had the ulterior motive of splitting Auri-El, creating Akatosh as Auri-El's counterpart, sympathetic to mortals. If Alessia wanted to bring peace between the races of the new empire, we saw that her ideal did not last as the Marukhati Selective went to literally split Akatosh from Auri-El and creating animosities between humans and elves. And since then we've seen Akatosh only growing stronger and stronger, defeating Dagon in Oblivion and allegedly swalloing Alduin in Skyrim, the other part of the aspect from the Nordic pantheon. The eventual plan for Akatosh being to eventually (if not already) taking over as the dominant part of the god from Auri-El. Imagine the shock of the elves, seeing their most powerful god turning to the side of Lorkhan. They already lost Trinimac, Auri-El losing his power to Akatosh would be the final drop.

[@denakarganta1502]

@@Shawanga that is one possible theory, however I also feel that Auriel might be actually responsible for the rebellion, for a specific reason regarding the fact supposedly he is supposed to be in Aetherius, and that his bow harnesses power from it, specifically the Sun, which was created by Magnus, now how could he harness power from another god, also if we consider if that whenever time-space is under enough change and pressure there is enough pressure to create a dragon-break. The first one possibly happening after Auriel shot his bow with Lorkhan's heart, creating Red Mountain, with all the immense pressure on both time and space there must have been a dragon-break. Also considering that with every dragon-break, all timelines converged into one, it means that time continues as is with all events present, meaning the dragon becomes whole again, and with Auriel, Akatosh, Ruptga, etc...they must be different perceptions of course but all are still time and are in league with Lorkhan as whatever is required for the present kalpa, as eventually it becomes Aka's role again to destroy time and for space-time to continue for the next kalpa

[@Vahmung]

@@denakarganta1502 I like what you are laying down there. Good discussion topic for the Tribunal here. I have to ask the question though, do you think Daedric Princes and Aedra are even affected by dragon breaks?

[@markuswelander8551]

One thing I like about the different human cultures in Nirn is that there is a rich history behind their differences, but there is still a man-mer dichotomy.

[@parascopicvision]

I actually think Dumalacath is a reference to the fight between Trinimac and Lorkhan, kind of like an echo of a song. Specifically in the way that Ysmir would’ve been viewed or alluded to as representing Shor, against Dumac: an elven opponent who sought to deny the Nords their god’s heart. Trinimac ripped it out and became Malacath, and now-for the Nords-they see Malacath as there again to ensure the heart remains buried and gone from the reach of mankind. So a parallel is possibly drawn, Dumalacath.

[@Daxanere1216]

Wow this is such a great observation!

[@realzachfluke1]

I don't think I've heard anybody else make that connection before, very nicely done, my friend. You should give your brain a pat on the wrinkles for that one, I really like it!

[@maxteraform]

Regarding the Underking, in Daggerfall you get a letter from him saying: "The secret of Numidium lies in its heart, carried within the Mantella. It is the heart of Tiber Septims battlemage. It is my heart. It is my Mantella. It is my Totem. It belongs to me and no other. I have won and lost an empire." This seems to imply that the Underking is Zurin Arctus and not Ysmir.

[@mybedissoft]

Oooooo, that’s definitely interesting. I wonder why the Underking lore has always been tied to Wulfharth lore by people anyway tbh. I know there are some comparisons but that’s all I’ve thought they were, just comparisons so it’s cool to find out that may be the case if the Underking & Wulfharth aren’t the same person or related to one another in some way.

[@akakios7386]

Actually because of weird soul shenanigans the Underking is both Ysmir and Arctus at the same time.

[@JXEditor]

You mentioned how Orkey has aspects of Arkey and Malacath and there aren’t many other gods like that. Am I though only one who thinks Alduin has aspects of both Akatosh and Molag Bal? “Dov wahlaan fah rel. We were made to dominate.”

[@dustinjackson4761]

Akatosh is more or less a melding of Alduin and Auriel. Alduin says that he is the first born of Akatosh, but in the Nordic pantheon, he is considered a creator/destroyer type of deity. Molag Bal is a being of slavery and bondage, so it does make sense that Alduin does remind you of Molag Bal. The dragons did enslave the ancient Nords and grant power to subjects who were willing to enforce their rule, thus drawing comparisons between the dragon priests and the vampires.

[@purpleisthesneakiest]

while the mythic purpose of alduin to nordic tradition, as the devourer of the old kalpa for the creation of the new (which is derived from ald, the adversarial time-god of the nords), has little to do with molag bal, developments added in skyrim (alduin choosing to, for whatever reason, shirk its duty in this kalpa and live as a god in the dragon cult) are indeed reminiscent of the daedric prince

[@JXEditor]

@@purpleisthesneakiest Also his ability to raise dead dragons and his army of undead servants helps solidify the connection. Plus (and I’ve also added this to the main one to help solidify the point I was making); “Dov wahlaan fah rel. We were made to dominate.”

[@Moralgo]

Not to mention in the Dawnguard dlc, where do you find Serana, a vampire who comes from a family directly created by Molag Bal? In a dungeon where you have to fight off high level draugr, possibly a dragon priest.

[@stevenclark2188]

Maybe Aedra and Daedra being sort of conceptual beings when you mix the concepts and aspects of two of them you get another conceptual being that's not entirely separate so Alduin, Akatosh, and Auriel can be both mostly or partly the same, and still behave differently.

[@bennusmagnus5277]

You can actually talk to the greybeards, and when they talk back, the building shakes slightly.

[@youthought202]

And they can only say a single word or so

[@michaelmechex]

Yeah, exactly, they only whisper 'Dovahkiin' and you can hear a subtle rumble.

[@ChadKakashi]

@@michaelmechex that’s always cool as fuck

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@michaelmechex Wait, does it actually??

[@michaelmechex]

@@thalmoragent9344 yes, get in there and try it for yourself

[@Random_Chiroptera]

No Mandela Effect. If you talk to the other three Greybeards after the ceremony, they will answer with a whispered "Dovahkin" accompanied by High Hrothgar shaking a little. There is a semi-radiant quest you can get from Angeir, who will direct you to all the word walls, one at a time.

[@PyrusFlameborn]

So even their whispers cause a minor earthquake! Damn!

[@Random_Chiroptera]

Oh, as to why I mention the sidequest is they all look nearly the same, so I often end up talking to all them sometimes, trying to find Angeir to get the next one.

[@kingclint2382]

Mantella effect 😎

[@Random_Chiroptera]

@@kingclint2382 Oh gods, a punster, where's my crate of throwing-tomatoes?

[@Jnrose94]

13:20 I agree I do love Drew's voice! I've been watching Scott and Michael from the very start of the channel back in mid 2013. Bringing Drew was a perfect edition to complete the channel

[@RevengeoftheEnts]

I've often wondered what the original Atmorans really worshiped. There's the animal totems, the ancient Nordic pantheon, the Dragon Cult, the Nordic pantheon, and in Skaal Village, Fanari Strong Voice even claims that before the pantheon, the Atmorans worshipped the All-maker. This leads me to think the Atmoran Civil War was likely over religious differences. (Maybe the rise of the Dragon Cult? Seems about the right time.) Same with the Great Frost. I could see Kyne/the Hawk/the All-maker blessing Atmora to be habitable but losing her power to do so as the Atmorans stopped worshiping her correctly. (Maybe they were under a nature-respecting contract like the Skaal or Kyne's blessing, but got greedy and wasteful?) One thing seems clear though, the Nords/Atmorans have slowly anthropomorphized their pantheon over time and their lifestyle has reflected that. Edit: spelling

[@willswenson3169]

IIRC, the animal totems and Dragon Cult were one in the same, as the dragon was the "chief diety" of the animal totems. Which would also explain why the animal totems (or at least allegories for them) can be found in Nordic ruins directly associated with the Dragon Cult

[@RevengeoftheEnts]

@@willswenson3169 exactly! We at least know that at the time of the Dragon Cult, when the last batch of Atmorans came to Tamriel, they worshiped nine gods represented by animal totems, the chief of which was The Dragon. But we also have reason to think (from Fanari) that even before that, the Atmorans worshiped something like the All-maker. Because of this, I can imagine All-maker worship turning into animal worship, and from there, the dragons convince (at least some) Atmorans to worship them over the other animals and in return grant them (or at least the priests) inhuman power. This becomes the animal-totem Dragon Cult. I doubt all Atmorans we're cool with this. They probably differed in their beliefs. Some would have been more traditional/Skaal-like, some would be hierarchical Dragon Cultists, and others would be something in between. But of course the dragons were not content with only some Atmorans worshiping them. As a result, a terrible civil war ensued, eventually leading toward Ysgrammor fleeing to Tamriel. When he returned for the 500, only the Dragon Cult sympathizers were willing to aid him (revenge is not the way of the All-maker) which is why the Skyrim's ancient Nords are of the Dragon Cult variety (according to this theory).

[@tonys9397]

@@RevengeoftheEnts could be it’s an interesting idea at least.

[@Handledeeznuts89]

So, my favorite narrator (drew) is wearing a shirt of my favorite band (Northlane) talking about my favorite subject (elder scrolls lore), on my favorite podcast. This is too good to be true

[@idipped2521]

I don't know if you guys would have to pay Kirkbride to come on here, but if he can come on the podcast at some point and talk about his views on certain theories and very deep, obscure sections of lore that are pretty much unexplained, that would be very cool. Maybe he'll give us some info about something they planned on putting in one of the games but left out, etc. BTW my least favorite MK writing is definitely Kinmune. When I saw the "thot box" thing I was like "is this really MK???"

[@timyuusis3372]

Thot ment something else, he's also a grown man who hadn't entered a high school long before it ment that

[@PyrusFlameborn]

Idk this text but Toth is also the Ancient Egyption God of Wisdom and Knowledge.

[@idipped2521]

@@timyuusis3372 I don't think Kinmune was meant to be taken as canon. I think it's just basically part of the unreliable narrator trope that MK uses and he's basically a troll so he wanted it to be a meme essentially

[@idipped2521]

As Zaric pointed out, it would have made a lot more sense for the Nords to be up in arms if the Thalmor mandated outlawing of Shor/Lorkhan worship rather than Talos.

[@thepatriot6966]

Agreed

[@whitedawg4363]

Agreed, but they are also being told what they can and can't do by a race that they are at odds with anyways

[@idipped2521]

@fredreich groypson in a way he did but not completely. He didn't get mantled by talos so he still exists. Plus mundus which is a part of the universe is tied to him so he can't be completely destroyed unless the rest of the gods and everything else get destroyed too

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

But this whole thing with Whitegold Concordat was to get revenge on Talos for when he conquered everything except Summerset, and to defeat them he unleashed Numidium on them, nearly destroying their homeland, and slaughtering thousands of Mer. He commited a war crime, became an Emperor of the entire world, and as a reward he became a god, worshipped for centuries. And they have to suck it up? Where's justice in that? As a citizen of a country that got the worst beating at the hands of Germany during WWII, was ruined, betrayed, and got little to none recompense from Germany for what they did, hell, they still proudly display our greatest pieces of art stolen during the War in their museums, and refuse to hand them over. And Altmer had far worse than we did (well, except concentration camps). So, I'm not surprised they went after Talos, instead of Shor. They wanted division in Skyrim, not unified opposition. If they banned Shor, Nords would split from the Empire instantly, and likely joined forces with Hammerfell. After that, Empire would have only High Rock left, and Breton politics are quite treacherous. If they saw advantage in that, they would split from Empire, and Cyrodiil would be all alone. There would be no Empire left, and since Cyrodiil economy is totally dependent on trade and taxes from other provinces, they would join the coalition, not as Empire, but as kingdom. And thus, Empire is disbanded, and there is new political block consisting of old Empire's provinces, not bound by the Concordat, and ready to renew the war against the Dominion. And remember, elves have much smaller birthrate than humans, so humans would be able to recover from their loses much faster than the elves. Dominion had to prepare for the next conflict, but they wouldn't be able to win by playing fair. So, they have to sow a dissent and infighting among humans to weaken them for the final confrontation.

[@gaymansupreme]

​@@grzegorzflorek5623 Damn, that's a lotta words. Too bad I'm not reading em'

[@dariustiapula]

Damn all three together are like Imperial scholars debating actual ES history.

[@juliapruin3248]

The secret song definitely gives me the vibe of having been written long after the original 5. Maybe by a Nord that has been more involved in the cult of the 8 Divines (reconciling their upbringing with "Lorkan" and the original "Shor"). Perhaps they were trying to "correct" the 5th with hindsight, once it become more common knowledge that the Heart really was there and the Tribunal was well established (which is why Vehk already has powers).

[@JollyGreenWizard]

I totally heard that as "Herg Murcula" the first couple of times lol

[@Lcgx]

ah yes Ysmir, the truest of the Nords!!

[@amir_shaban_80]

Atmoran

[@Lcgx]

@@amir_shaban_80 nords are decadents of the atmorans

[@amir_shaban_80]

@@Lcgx no shit sherlock

[@Lcgx]

@@amir_shaban_80 you might be the dumbest person to comment on one of these videos, your first reply was pointless and served nothing of any use.

[@Lcgx]

@@amir_shaban_80 but go ahead and explain to me how he doesn't truly embody the nords culture...

[@Theology.101]

For Aedra-Daedra syncretism, you can make a strong argument between Lorkh-Hircine for the Reachmen

[@ciaranmck4469]

Not really pretty sure they're separate spirits

[@Theology.101]

@@ciaranmck4469 And Arkey and Malacath are also separate, but we still get Orkey. Hircine is the second Lord of Flesh, Lorkh the first. It can be seen that Hircine, taking his job, is related.

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@Theology.101 don't get me wrong the reachmen do believe that lorkhan and hircine have similar origins but there's clearly a separation

[@saerbhreathach540]

Arngeir is the only Greybeard that speaks, the rest are all mute unless they're speaking the dragon language. 😉👍

[@ciaranmck4469]

Never realised mate thought the greybeards all spoke 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@saerbhreathach540]

@@ciaranmck4469, it's been a while but as far as I can remember they don't even grunt or make a sound when you try to talk to them, they just silently look at you. I think it's a neat little detail, shows that they're aware of their power and seeing how Arngeir is the oldest makes sense that he would have the most control over his thu'um allowing him to speak normally. 😊

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@saerbhreathach540 bro 😂

[@davidkamps9879]

@@saerbhreathach540 they sometimes greet you by saying dovahkin after you do the voice trial. Otherwise silent.

[@thomasholmes4669]

Dwarf-orc could just be a poetic way of saying how strong and skilled dumac was in battle. But hopefully it's more interesting (probably is).

[@michaelmechex]

I've stumbled upon an interesting bit of information that you guys seem to have missed. During the 'chant in dragon language' (mentioned @ 17:30) where they basically officially name the character Dragonborn, Greybeards say this: 'Long has the Storm Crown languished with no worthy brow to sit upon. By our breath we bestow it now to you in the name of Kyne, in the name of Shor, and in the name of Atmora of old. You are Ysmir now, the Dragon of the North. Hearken to it.' (credits to MrRhexx for translation) Yep, they literally named the player character Ysmir. My theory is that it would explain the appearances of Ysmir throughout the history, that he was the first Dragonborn outside of royal bloodlines, who was sent to Nirn by Akatosh in time of need, not to rule, but to save Skyrim and her people, and other appearances of Ysmir weren't ressurections, but more like reincarnation? Will be the year 4E200 marked in the history books as the most recent return of Ysmir Wulfarth? Or am I completely crazy?

[@thanevakarian9762]

Tiber Septim absorbed the souls of Wulfarth and Zurrin who happened to be dragon born as well. The combination of those souls created a being so powerful he became a divine.

[@kamikazekiwi1313]

had to go through the playlist to find this before notifications went out or it appeared in my sub feed

[@Emanon616]

Why tho

[@Strellok100]

To answer your question, you can speak to other Greybeards but they usually only whisper "Dovahkiin" and everything shakes a little bit.

[@Vahmung]

TES5 needed more of this lore to be fleshed out. As in a third DLC where the Dragonborn faces off against the Tongues of old to prove themselves and then even a battle with Wulfharth. I feel like the last remaining Dragonborn should have to walk in the footsteps of Ysmir to end up with that title in the end. I always pictured that the end of Skyrim should be that the Dragonborn sprnds the remainder of their life as the Guardian of High Hrothgar and the Throat of the World. That way in TES6 you would know that the Dragonborn continued their life to protect the foundation of Skyrim, maybe even its tower. Yet swearing to so many Daedric Princes would end their life short of 50 years give or take and then Kyne would take their soul as something like Wulfharth to be this protectorate soul for future Dragonborns. I do not particularly like the thought that the Dragonborn just ends up the same as Miraak, especially with how Hermaeus Mora has been an essential enemy to the people of Skyrim for all time.

[@kohtas]

Something about Scott’s intro every time that gives me that cozy feeling.

[@skyrimbear7106]

loved it alright so am not the only one who's confused about the redmountain accounts with nords with dagoth ur and the chimer and dwemer and the story of the underking

[@blueldrrich84]

17:53 so he's right actually, and it is just one line that the other greybeards say. They stand up and just say "dovahkiin" and you hear a rumbling echo with their voice. But that is all they say really. It just is meant to show how powerful they are, that simply saying your name shakes the walls. =) just thought I'd answer in case no one else did

[@Kethra430]

Thank you fudgemuppet just so much knowledge you condense for us thank you so much

[@idipped2521]

A game in the First Era would be nerdmazing as long as they actually stayed true to most of the lore. Unreliable narrator stuff can be left out but we definitely need a 1E spinoff (kinda like New Vegas to Fallout 3)

[@travishabursky4362]

Imagine seeing Whitestrake attack the White-Gold Tower yeeting the Ayleids left and right.

[@idipped2521]

@@travishabursky4362 A game could never live up to that. I was thinking we could get a game that took place during the rise of the Alessian order during the reign of Belharza or something. My theory is that they killed him and blamed in on elves in order to take over

[@travishabursky4362]

@@idipped2521 an interesting theory.

[@TimTeboner]

Man I love these podcasts. Keep up the good work, guys!

[@arwanrhys5186]

Zurin's "heart" was the Mantala, according to the underking and a book I found in a "random location". Much like Lorkhan's heart, it was to power the Numidium to conquer Tamriel. In Daggerfall depending on who you gave it to, could lead to war, or Zurin's ascension. With the addition of Shorr now there's 3 hearts that power the Numidium? Then again.....DRAGONBREAK.... everything and nothing happened. everyone got the Mantala except the Orcs. Otherwise Orcinium would have been a place during Morrowind. Another blast from the past brought to you by, "The Real Barenziah" available at the finest libraries. Cheers

[@connorcunningham4192]

Considering the dwarf orc connection it could be associated with mountains, the orcs live on it and the dwarves under it and they're both elves? The nords could assume they were cousins

[@thalmoragent9344]

Well, technically all Mer are cousins, but yeah, perhaps he was simply a buffer Dwemer who nearly seemed Orc like with his strength and stature

[@SaltySirenFloriduh]

Confession: I thought FudgeMuppet was one dude claiming to be different dudes for the longest time😂

[@tokentrend3614]

😂😂😂

[@shadowdwellerconwis2057]

I can see allot of fusion dances being done on red mountain and the throat of the world 🤣

[@derwaldjunge]

I love this podcast!

[@ClvrBstrd]

An episode dedicated to Lorkhan or Boethiah would be dope Edit: One down, one to go

[@chrisvandergriff504]

Yes. Read for me, Daedrologist. Soothing voice, man.

[@KyRo_Dread]

17:35 the greybeards do say a few things. they shout at you during your initiation as dragonborn, they shout when meditating outside in the tower and when you try and talk to the mute greybeards they whisper "Dovahkiin" at you and the ground rumbles

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Yay, the best morning of my week! Thank you guys! ❤️💜💙

[@jeffnone2107]

Thanks for the content. Wish the best to all.

[@Yarghvid]

Another piece linking Shor and Ysmir is the (probable) inspiration for his name, Ymir. In norse mythology, Ymir is the first/father of the Jotun, the ice giants. The gods killed Ymir and created the world from his dismembered bodyparts. And like Lorkhan, Ymir is heavily connected to the chaos before the world (Padomay). And to answer Michael as to why the Secret Song reads so differently is that it's using a form very similar/identical to the norse saga prose. Like Tolkien, the writers of TES draw heavily on real world characteristics and transcribing them to their creations. Yakudan being similar to african polytheism and the nords to norse.

[@DankMoonBlade]

For the thums I’m pretty sure it’s the fact that even in simple words they would be saying parts of thums and essentially accidentally activate the power

[@howiehall2610]

I don’t really know what you guys are talking about most of these episodes since I’ve only played Skyrim without looking at much lore. But these podcasts are nice banter and it’s neat to hear you all talk about something you’re passionate about :)

[@zoinksss1372]

unrelated Skyrim fact: if you pickpocket the briar heart from a forsworn briarheart they immediately die

[@NopeJustPatrick]

I lost my shit when I first learned that.

[@sladewilson9718]

We just gonna skip over how badass the phrase- ‘made of the sound of the shadow of the moons’ is?😂👍🏽

[@zachattack226]

“i zero summed” 😂😂

[@tylermech66]

I think King Dumac literally just has a Orsimer dad, and that why he's the Dwarf-Orc.

[@squishyfrecks2463]

Man, i9 just got up, so i got lucky. I love skyrims history, theories myths and legends. But how is everyone?

[@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis]

Feel you, Im very good ^-^

[@jclarkev]

Shoutout to the podcasts for making me realize it’s not 2 guys named Drew and Michael Scott, it’s 3 guys named Drew, Michael, and Scott

[@chrispakdawg9922]

The grey beards say Dragonborn in dragon language when you approach the 3 mute and all of skyrim shakes a little bit

[@maxrander0101]

the step he rebuilt if you count them is the one which dips then goes back up in skyrim and if you look at the area you can see the sort of rebuilt ground under the snow and that the placing of the stone of kyne is not on the same plane as the rest in relation to its spacing from the edge like the others on that side of the path up the mount are

[@chrisvandergriff504]

If you pester the Greybeards enough, they'll whisper at you and everything shakes.

[@timgrove5757]

Love the Armor in the thumbnail 😁👍

[@superelamental]

I have no clue why i haven't subscribed yet. I've been watching y'alls videos for years.

[@dustinjackson4761]

Nice Northlane shirt you got there, Drew.

[@Daxanere1216]

My theory on talos is that when wulfharth shouted out zurins heart, it caused a ripple affect trapping his soul along with wulfharth in the mantella. This also bound what was left of them into one, the underking. Hjalti as tiber septim while conquering the isles, was using the numidium to attempt apotheosis, but the underkings destruction of the numidium halted the process, until the miracle of peace occured, completing the process, allowing the the the three to ascend as talos the three in one.

[@DavetheNord]

Nice one guys...my bestest topic!!!!!

[@DavetheNord]

(not including 2nd era bs)

[@jacoboddie5364]

Thats some of the chaddest armour I've ever seen

[@xelietjoker]

An answer to a prayer Wulfarth is my favorite nord.

[@davidlejenkins]

Every time he says "Oombra" take a shot.

[@coniyat]

I wanted to give an idea in some form. During the main quest in skyrim where you need to learn dragonrend, You can ask Arngeir why dragon rend why it's so bad to which he replies, "It was created by those who lived under The unimaginable cruelty of Alduin's dragon cult. Their whole lives were consumed with hatred for dragons, and they poured all their anger and hatred into this Shout. When you learn a Shout, you take it into your very being. In a sense you become the Shout. In order to learn and use this Shout, You will be taking this evil into yourself." I figured with dragonrend shout being utilized in game, it could be debated as being a good or bad, if you use it.

[@conquestalpha]

hey got a VERY little known fact about the imperial city Cyrodiil. Found out in like 2011 or so by playing on my nintendo dsi with the voice recorder learning how to speak backwards and discovered that Cyrodiil said in reverse is pronounced EXACTLY as clitoris so enjoy that bit of knowledge XD

[@jedjedjedjedjedjed]

Sooo gooooddd

[@generaldurandal3568]

Don't you meet Talos in Morrowind? I think his name is "Wolf" and he only appears in the Ghost Gate on your way to Red Mountain to Fight Dagoth Ur. He gives you a Lucky Coin that increases your Luck.

[@locutus2011]

When you try to speak to the other Greybeards, they whisper "Dovakiin". And the whole building shakes.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

You ever connect Pelinal's moniker "Pelinal the Third" as potentially related to the Ysmir/Zurin/Hjalti triumvirate? What if their collectivization as Talos was the three disparate Shezzarines coming together to form a single god again, but the Underking was a sort of weird leftover sentience of the Shezzarines growing apart? I could definitely see Ysmir or Zurin being an incarnation of Pelinal, especially Zurin given his "Fox" name.

[@thejoaolobo2758]

Philosophical the fact that in elder scrolls words have true power. So it is in life, words carry some power as well

[@matiasjonkus8881]

So as I understand it the Mantella (the gem itself) is the Heart of Zurin while the actual Soul trapped inside of the Mantella is Ysmir.

[@Jay92296]

the greybeards wisper dovakin when you try to talk to them and it shakes the ground a bit

[@Numidium_]

Anyone else the "loading chim" in the beginning

[@SaltySirenFloriduh]

When you know more about the history of a fictitious world than you do actual history. I would have preferred learning this in school 💯

[@electricc437]

BY YSMIR'S BEARD!

[@-D.B.P]

Drew, Northlane ye boii 👌

[@skynyrdjesus]

So the idea behind the Mantella graphic is there are two conflicting stories. In Tiber Septim's account, he powered the Mantella with his own soul, a testament that even in life he was equal to the divines, and lending credence to the theory that he mantled Lorkhan. In the Arcturian Heresy, the Mantella was fueled primarily by the soul of Zurin Arctus, but the fierce battle that led to the death of both Ysmir and Arctus rended the souls of all three men and they all powered the Mantella together. In both accounts it's this process of powering the Numidium and breaking the dragon that creates the divine entity of Talos, either by assuming the role of Shor or because the power of the Brass God flowing through him igniting some divine spark. Both have disturbing implications about the nature of divinities

[@wilder11]

8:00 Also isn't Kynareth often portrayed as a dragon? So given that Paarthurnax is a dragon, you have a parallel there, even if the individuals aren't the same. Might be easy to mistake that mysterious dragon at the Throat of the World for Kyne.

[@AC-er4ll]

When I saw the thumbnail I thought Ysmir’s last name was wolffart for a second.

[@SirAshford]

In Skyrim I have a constant feeling that current nord civilisation is far less advanced than it was during Atmoran/Dragon Cult/Merethic Era. No understanding of ruin symbols, barely appreciate history, fearing magic, etc.

[@lordsheogorath5515]

Yeah I think so too. They just became ignorant people

[@RevengeoftheEnts]

Personally, I think it was all downhill since the Dragon Cult. I get the vibe that the Atmorans used to worship a more "balanced" pantheon--closer to animal worship or the Skaal's "All-maker"--but then the dragons took advantage of this and convinced them to worship them over the other animals. I imagine this schism eventually led to the Atmoran Civil War and Atmora freezing over. They used to be more egalitarian, peaceful, crafty, and respectful of nature, but the dragons endulged their greed and encouraged hierarchy in their societies. As descendants of the dragon-cult Atmorans, the Nords of Skyrim carry on their glutinous traditions today. It's the only flavor we really see now other than the Skaal on Solsteim.

[@sasquatchredman2608]

i remember speaking to the other greybeards and the non speaking ones will occasionally say "Dovahkiin" but thats it.

[@nonso3396]

Tue greybeards do speak as you say Michael.. Tho they besides Angrir, the others only ever say "Dovakin".. And when they do, it causes a minor quake.. If u using a controller, it vibrates with the quake. From this, I recon it should be safe to surmise it only feels like a light quake cuz you're the dragonborn, but having a regular person within the visinity (barring followers due to gameplay mechs) it could have much more devastating effects.. Couple this to how ordinary people normally wouldn't be able to withstand their chants during the ceremony where the name you Ysmir, I think this line of thought has merit as to why they don't speak around other ppl

[@indiana47]

Talos has real world mythology in Greek where he is a giant golem guarding an island kind of like the brass god which is how Talos in the elder scrolls is made.

[@Lothryin]

Can you please do a video about Cadwell? Hes a character that I feel deserves a video of his own

[@Lcgx]

17:40, the other greybeards that dont speak say, "Dovakiin" then do a sort of bow.

[@aurelius8918]

Thats some pretty sweet looking armour and hammer in the thumbnail, what mod is it from?

[@madameghostie]

Yeah, the only connection I can think of between Malacath and the Dwemer is Volendrung. Not really sure how else they would be connected as written in The Five Songs of King Wulfharth

[@kurtissilva8951]

I doubt you’ll see this Drew but can you do a character study on malyn veron

[@kiptandoru]

Ysmir's beard!

[@Darkstar4451]

33:20 allinall you're up

[@anondutchie7127]

I know who writes the Last Dragonborn those notes which point him to word walls.

[@borispavlenco5874]

I'm probly not the first to think this, but Drew's voice sounds a lot like Athelstan from Vikings

[@ltloxa1159]

After they speak to you in the ritual they say "dragonborn"