The Gus Johnson Comeback Campaign

[@KuncanDastner]

UPDATE (12/29/21): Hi guys! Sven Johnson posted a response on twitter about taking down his 'my diagnosis' video, where he explains that this was a draft he'd been keeping for a while, he took it down because of insensitive timing, and it was not Gus on the phone. While he does call the assumption 'hateful' I do think it's important that you all hear his side of the story. I'm including a link to the tweet here! twitter.com/swembo2000/status/1476222388962570241

[@a1burman01]

That’s good to hear. Sven seemed like a more genuine person in the first place, so I would’ve been a lot more surprised if he was wrapped up in indirectly attacking Sabrina as well.

[@peytonalexander5300]

I mean yeah, I felt like the Sven part was a stretch from the beginning, imo. Glad he said something and glad you felt the need to feature his update.

[@nic_tracy]

I’m just glad he said something and had the awareness to take it down. His apology was better than Gus’s 😂

[@Ddf00]

Uff I almost feel disappointed on Sven

[@jonw8847]

Worth noting too that just a few minutes ago Sabrina quote tweeted it and asked people to sub to Sven, calling the video funny. My (bold) assumption is that they talked and Sven supported her, but for understandable reasons didn’t want to publicly go against his brother (who I’m also assuming he talked with and came to their own personal agreement)

[@TaraMooknee]

Most of all I just hope Sabrina can move on and thrive and live her best life without him constantly being brought up TO HER. She posted a photo of herself and someone commented "Gus made a mistake huh" and it really annoyed me. If you want to compliment her and support her just do that - don't constantly remind her of someone who hurt her so badly.

[@Aster_Risk]

Or make it seem like breaking up with her was the only bad thing he did. That comment severely reduces this whole situation.

[@grimmgoosegoose216]

Exactly, Sabrina makes really good content all on her own, she doesn't need to be "gus's ex" (the 350 degree video is amazing imo)

[@gateauxq4604]

Absolutely! Dealing with an ectopic pregnancy (which can also cause lasting damage like being unable to conceive) would be bad enough but then her partner became apathetic and abusive. She deserves support and to never have to talk about him again unless she wants to.

[@ArtisticlyAlexis]

I've been enjoying seeing her venture out into new areas, like being a guest host of the Damage Report, a progressive daily news show. She's such a bright person in every sense of the word!

[@saturnebulous]

^^^^^^ tell em miss mooknee!!

[@cassidyk1647]

Neglecting to take Sabrina to the hospital while she was suffering an ectopic pregnancy could've very easily resulted in her death. When the fertilized egg implants in the fallopian tube and tries to grow there, it can cause the fallopian tube to tear or even rupture. If this happens, internal bleeding happens very quickly and is very hard to survive due to where arteries are. If she would have unfortunately passed, I feel like people would've taken this more seriously. It shouldn't take her death to realize Gus is a shitty person.

[@piopio6266]

I think she said her tube actually did rupture, which makes this so much more worrying.

[@ginikaakpata8829]

@@piopio6266 yes, she said that ovary is now unusable unfortunately :(

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

@@ginikaakpata8829 If you watch her video with Mama Doctor Jones (a board certified OBGYN specialist) you'll see that's actually not the case! It seems weird/complicated because of the way we imagine feminine anatomy but she explains to Sabrina that apparently the other fallopian tube can "pick up" an egg from the other ovary! If she ever DOES want to have children she should be fine!

[@stitchedtogether88]

My fallopian tube ruptured from it. I bled internally for 10 hrs before I was put under for surgery. I had kidney failure and other organs started shutting down. I was opened up like a C section. I was then in the hospital for a week on a morphine drip. This shit is no joke and can def cause death rather quickly. If I had waited any longer I'd be dead for sure

[@stitchedtogether88]

@@herefortheshrimp1469 yes! This is what happened to me. It took a little while like a couple years but I do have my period back. The doctors warned me tho to stay very on top of doctor appointments if I do ever try to get pregnant since I only have one tube left 😊

[@zinja0830]

I’m glad you pointed out that we aren’t owed a response from past collaborators. That’s the one part of *gag* “cancel culture” that is real and toxic. We especially don’t need, as Nick Green said, a bunch of extra voices drowning out the actual main players in this situation, since it happened between Gus and Sabrina. You did a great job of just focusing on presenting what happened, why it may not sit right with folks, and I think that’s the best way to do it. Thanks for this.

[@anoni6108]

True but at the same time following, keeping videos up etc is imo supporting an abuser, another comment said it well "we need more people to speak out that they don't tolerate abusers" and also spoke about silence as complacency, they don't have to put out a statement to show they don't support him, just unfollow, delete videos, like videos spreading info, *show support for Sabrina* it's really easy, I don't watch creators befriended with him as far as I'm aware but if i did I would unsub until I knew they weren't friends anymore :/ any friend of an abuser isn't one of mine

[@Unhappytimeaper]

I think that the complicated problem with it all. People who make collabs with “bad” creators don’t necessarily need to have input but in I think today culture and how quick people can be to make assumptions it’s easy to feel the need to do so when running a platform because association and compliance with “bad” creators is it’s own issue. And I think to how people can just delete the videos but acting like they never happened, even more with how nothing on the internet is ever truly gone, people can jump to the conclusion that they did it to only save their own asses but still ‘friends’ behind the scenes when the reality is we might never know how close a relationship between creators truly are. There are times when they really were friends and are cutting off the relationship but it’s just as much of people only talking while collabing. It’s why videos are so weird because in this time I think there is an expectation to speak about it but how people actually do so comes from a place that is often misidentified. I even think shifting the conversation solely to Sabrina when it’s about other creators and their relationship to Gus can end up coming off weird if not handled correctly because I do think they need to focus more on showing they support her which is why they want to make a topic covering it there isn’t an easy way as it still comes down to Gus/that person. Personally, I don’t think a video is necessarily rather a statement can be just as clarifying while deleting any past videos and unfollowing Gus but I’m also not a massive content creator with thousands of people judging how I potentially would response to having a social media relationship with an abusive creator.

[@zinja0830]

The response from fans shows a few cultural issues that need dealt with as well. 1. The parasocial relationship issue. These people aren’t our friends irl; 2. The idea that we can and should judge people based on who they’ve associated with at any point in time because we 3. Expect people to know things once we do. There’s this whole idea of “x should know or should have known about y,” when there are plenty of unknown factors as to why x may not know. We may never know those reasons because of point 1.

[@BostonMBrand]

@@Unhappytimeaper Regarding the notion of deleting videos, I think that is also complicated. Obviously if the video is very recent, that's definitely understandable since sometimes people can upload videos at the wrong time. However, I don't think deleting videos really solves anything, especially if the videos are larger collabs. I thing a comparable example would be CallMeCarson. Similar to Gus, Carson has collaborated with many, many KZbinrs. Sometimes, like in the case of Quentin Review's Vid Con 2020 video, its a video that has multiple creators (In the example, I think Quentin's video includes almost 70 cameos, Carson only being one of them). As you said, content on the internet hardly ever disappears. I don't blame creators for questioning whether or not they should keep up videos where they collaborated with a horrible person, but history is history. If someone was not in the know about a situation while producing collab content, I don't think they should be held accountable unless they were directly involved.

[@MemoReviews]

Man...I was just watching Sven videos to cheer me up....

[@katiem4251]

I’ll tell you exactly why there’s been radio silence about this from a lot of commentary creators. Because for a long time now, a lot of these youtube guys think they’re unimpeachable just by not being a r@pist or racist. It was all fun and games to point and laugh at shitty people via commentary. But the tides are shifting and “not a r@pist” isn’t going to be the bare minimum for being an acceptable public figure, or an acceptable man. Women are traumatized by men like Gus in so many ways that is not outright criminal, and I’d wager it’s got a lot of these dudes sweating. Every straight woman I know has been traumatized like this by a man during a relationship. Every single one. And many of these guys who have so smugly critiqued others are capable of doing things like this to women. And opening the floodgates of critique for Gus’ behavior would in turn require self-critique. It opens up the thought of “even if I say and do all the right things publicly, I can still be put on the digital pillory and called a bad person.” Emotional abuse and neglect is so ordinary in heterosexual relationships, and many of these youtube “good guys” have likely done something comparable to Gus. The radio silence speaks a thousand words.

[@katiem4251]

Also as an addendum, men will also ways prioritize and protect the other men in their life, even if they’re clearly a real piece of sh!t.

[@forestfire2670]

This is an unpopular opinion but: People need to realize EVERY good comedian is screwed in the head. Comedy is an art and in its most sincere form, is an expression of pain, anger, etc. Not justifying what he did but if you cancelled every comedian who is a 'bad person', you would have no good comedians left. I don't think one bad action or relationship should negate the fact comedians make millions of people smile and give us an opportunity to laugh at the absurdities of life from an out of the box perspectives. People need to not take artists actions so personally. Unless its a Cosby situation or they literally murder someone, they should be given a chance to grow as a person and learn from their mistakes.

[@Rigiroony]

Yeah...it's weird for people to cancel someone for just being an asshole...

[@succubitch1054]

Im glad i am not the only person who found svens video weird

[@succubitch1054]

I ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS GUS ON THE PHONE BUT DIDNT WANNA SAY IT BC HIM AND SVEN SOUND SO ALIKE

[@nickisnotgreen]

i unfollowed gus, took down my video collaborating with him, and publicly responded to eddy and sabrina’s statements on the situation in support of them, as well as talked about the situation on a stream of mine. as someone who is good friends with eddy and has talked to sabrina behind the scenes, i thought the best way i could push them up was to raise their voices and not give my piece on a situation that has to do with personal friends of mine. i do not consider gus a friend of mine and i find what he did disgusting and irredeemable. but i’m also not a drama channel and i’m not going to make a video talking about a situation that i wasnt comfortable talking about.

[@confused_gaymer1868]

Thats entirely valid!

[@uooqij2998]

thanks for being mature girlie

[@littlewillowlinda]

Thanks nick. Glad you stayed true to your boundaries

[@samueldeadman5733]

You're a stand up guy

[@kat8559]

Thanks for this, but I think those of yall who have large audiences need to talk about this on your main channels on youtube bc lots of people don't know or are trying to defend it.

[@AnnamarieForcino]

My heart breaks for Sabrina, and I wish her nothing but peace, happiness, and success going forward. Thank you for speaking up in a respectful and thoughtful way.

[@RyanBeard]

As someone who knows many of the people involved, I just wanna publicly say I stand with Sabrina, and Gus's actions were absolutely unacceptable. Sabrina is one of the most genuinely kind people I've met, and I think the most important thing is that this is her story to tell. Thanks for speaking out about the situation.

[@thedestroyasystem]

Thanks, Mr Beard. It’s absolutely sickening to see people dismissing Sabrina’s story because “We DoN’t kNoW wHaT rEaLlY hApPeNeD.” No. Believe victims when they tell you their truths. I hope being able to get this off her chest helped, send my well wishes her way 💙

[@J0nzzzzz-n9o]

Ya also l ur channel plz do more vids with Danny Gonzalez u guys are funny together

[@beatricefox937]

Wow. It really means a lot when people in your position take a stance (being a bystander is incredibly harmful). Thank you, and for supporting small creators

[@mlkgal]

I want to say thank you for speaking up. Someone you collaborated with in the past also had done a video with Gus. When I found out about this, I checked the person’s channel and it was gone. I kept looking to see if they made any statement and I still cannot find anything. Thank you for speaking up.

[@aven7580]

[@emschlef]

Ty for not minimizing the severity of ectopic pregnancies. They're life threatening and it's insane he casually joked around about that truly awful situation. I'm glad Sabrina is alive and got the care she needed.

[@Elegant_Sausage]

My sister almost died bleeding out from one on a gas station floor. She only lived because two E.M.T.'s just happened to stop in right at that moment and were able to get her to the hospital immediately. Nobody thought she'd make it and we all braced for the worst. Sabrina and my sister are lucky to be alive

[@mewgiah8057]

Most people do not know what an Ectopic Pregnancy is. Its not that common. Being immature at that age, I assume Gus thought she was just pregnant and was upset by the potentially life-changing situation. So he probably didn’t understand why she was constantly in pain and needing hospitalization for something most people don’t usually go through (because he assumed it was a regular pregnancy).

[@Reirae]

It's a miracle she survived tbh! Internally bleeding for so long... awful...

[@Reirae]

@@mewgiah8057 you don't need to make excuses for him. He was an adult who should've been supportive of his partner no matter what.

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@mewgiah8057 was he 9 years old, he can't Google a condition before he emotionally abused someone about it? Honestly the idea he didn't even know what it was would make it worse imo

[@noahsamsen]

this was so good dude, thank you

[@chellesees6411]

Fucking thrilled to see you and Mr. Beard in here speaking up for victims. I feel comfortable in the hands of the newer gen of YT reviewers, so thanks for that.

[@hannahrose4091]

@@chellesees6411 full agree my friend

[@Aster_Risk]

@@chellesees6411 Yep. Dudes who actually speak out instead of covering for other dudes.

[@theirishpotato6588]

Hi mommy Samson.

[@g.j.9515]

oh. biggest crossover situation rn

[@lauracelis8004]

My sister suffered from a Ectopic pregnancy, if I found out her husband didn’t support her through it, let alone abused her causing more trauma, I’d be watching this from jail

[@-bugbite]

You mean killing him or wha

[@JOKERWOKER_]

@@-bugbite i’m pretty sure they mean that yes

[@t-rex4211]

He was at the hospital when she found out. After his ‘drinks’ he drove to the hospital and they got the results together. Then he went to the hospital after that for the op. Docs previously missed it but he should’ve known? I don’t get the logic there

[@MightyMerlin1]

literal psychopath

[@tahlia03]

The thing that frustrates me the most is that when Sabrina was going through this, Gus could’ve EASILY said he’s taking a break and would’ve 100% faced no difference in views and would’ve been able to pick up his activities again. But as soon as the whole world knows about him being a horrible human being, he was able to cancel everything at the drop of a hat

[@whydididothatoops]

I’m so glad someone is talking about this finally it feels like everyone is terrified to address it Edit: I definitely agree with the points Duncan made about how we aren’t owed any explanation or closure from other creators. it’s just nice to have a cohesive summary of all these points and to know that people who used to be fans of the podcast and stuff aren’t alone in feeling strange and betrayed

[@aven7580]

ik its like because they know him personally its now forbidden

[@thedestroyasystem]

@@aven7580 yeah. I can get not wanting to bring personal “drama” into the public space but saying nothing, especially at a time when there’s a general distrust of creators due to the whole situation, is only gonna make people suspicious.

[@aven7580]

@@thedestroyasystem exactly

[@JeepnHeel]

I have absolutely no proof to base my opinion on, but I wonder if there is a hangover effect causing the delay when it comes to Gus. Because he was so incredibly likeable, approachable, and supportive on camera, people are taking a longer time to accept reality than if it were someone less accessible with more edge and polish (your standard celeb). I'm impressed with how many diehard fans are supporting Sabrina and Eddy over blind loyalty to Gus, and I think that speaks to the character of the fanbase they all built. It's just that no one is in a hurry to move forward on anything this time around.

[@whydididothatoops]

@@JeepnHeel definitely agree with you, that’s something I’ve wondered too. It’s not like we can all just forget and move on. His content made a big impact. There’s a major loss of trust here

[@ratosphere]

As a very disappointed ex-fan a kuncan video is the sort of closure I think I needed ❤

[@KuncanDastner]

I misread this as ex-kuncan fan and my first thought was "yeah me too" oops

[@ratosphere]

@@KuncanDastner NO I'm more of a kuncan fan than ever, don't worry

[@monhi64]

@@KuncanDastner lmao I also read it as ex kuncan fan, it’s not just you man. I was seriously confused

[@ratosphere]

@@monhi64 lol i've gotta remember my commas

[@homeworkbreak4237]

@@KuncanDastner kuncan no-

[@spenx09]

Women's pain has been dismissed for so long, being told you are being dramatic or hysterical, that those comeback videos don't surprise me, but they are really disgusting

[@heatherlee2967]

It’s literally the “hysterical woman” trope. This is unbelievably dehumanizing… I just hope Sabrina is doing ok and living her best life.

[@hidden-behind-wisteria2701]

It’s soooo infuriating and repulsive when men try to tell a woman whether her pain is real despite the fact that they themselves likely have never experienced it and never will. Any person who feels entitled to validate and measure others’ pain is absolutely sickening.

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@bloop5337 it's especially tragic because a LOT of women said the only reason a medical condition was caught earlier rather than later was because they had their male partner in the room backing them up and confirming the symptoms *were* that serious. So he not only failed to support her, he also indirectly exacerbated the problem by reinforcing the medical establishment's bias towards dismissing women's pain.

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@hidden-behind-wisteria2701 reminder that men pretty consistently have lower pain tolerances than women, verbally communicate when they are in pain more than women, and have FREAKED OUT when hooked up to electrical impulses that mimic what period cramps feel like. The idea that men are arbiters of truth is BS in all fields,, but the idea they know women's bodies better than women is genuinely the most infuriating thing because even if you did think men are smarter and more rational than women, it STILL wouldn't make sense. It makes NO sense to assume you know someone else's subjective sensory experiences more than they do. How much of a god complex do you have to have in order to come to the conclusion you're that all-knowing?

[@thegirlwiththatface]

The ironic part are the countless stories of men who milk getting colds/flu’s to stay home and do nothing, if not also be waited on

[@greenbeansnthings]

Comparing an ectopic pregnancy to a school child milking a bruise is despicable. I was in the ER on morphine for an ovarian cyst. An ectopic pregnancy would be at least 10x that pain. That stuff is EXTREMELY painful, and complications with pregnancies ALWAYS have psychological effects on those who can get pregnant, whether or not it was intended. Sabrina acknowledges that she didn't initially want the pregnancy, but due to the hormonal changes there was a huge effect on her psychologically. The intense physical AND emotional pain that Sabrina went through should not be brushed over or joked about. Women's (and those with ovaries) Health is such a nuanced topic and I feel like women don't get anywhere near the respect we deserve for what our bodies have to go through.

[@ParkerLewww]

I was going to say the same thing. Literally took the words right out of my keyboard.

[@cherrysoda3427]

I got a concussion the other day, I didnt even notice because my period cramps are worse. Women's and especially menstrual pain is literally downplayed so harshly and its some bullshit

[@emailing]

Right. A period just by itself is already incredibly painful, both mentally and physically. Most days when I have my period I have to have a lot of mental support and can't walk due to the pain and it can even get worse for other people who menstruate. I can't imagine the pain that Sabrina and those like her went through and to imagine someone could just wave it off to go have drinks with his friends is monstrous.

[@Mama_Bear524]

Yes! Thank you!!!!!

[@Mama_Bear524]

@@emailing yes! And double down when it’s public with a goddamn video!!!! How goddamn callous can you be?! I’m so happy his old buddies are surrounding Sabrina and doing so mostly privately. She deserves nothing less.

[@hollytree3379]

You should do an update on Sven, because Sabrina is cool with him. She retweeted Sven after he explained how he keeps videos for awhile in his drafts, and apologized for the confusion. Sabrina said she liked his original video, and told people to subscribe to Sven.

[@technophobian2962]

Still very weird to me how that specific video was in his drafts for a while and he decided to release it while all this was happening.

[@hollytree3379]

​@@technophobian2962 Maybe because he’s not involved in the situation at all, so he wasn’t thinking when he uploaded a video about doctors? I’m not saying fans shouldn’t be cautious about the situation, but listening to Sabrina is important. She literally tweet that she LIKED his video, so why not take that to heart? It’s a great sign there isn't a toxic relationship between the two of them. Also, Sven is a good deal younger than Gus and Sabrina. I'm sure she (like many people) misses her ex's family. It's one of the many reasons leaving a toxic relationship can be difficult.

[@stinkywinky6477]

Gus is a 26 year old man, sure "he'll grow" but he should have known better in the first place. Thank you for sticking to your morals and values and speaking out

[@Diana-mu7pc]

The mix of comedians Boogie compared Gus to was also just so asymmetrical. CK is a predator (not to mention definitely not young so what was the point there?), Chapelle was and continues to be transphobic, and Bo Burnham... made edgy jokes as a teenager in the 2000s? (I might be missing smth but WHEN has Bo Burnham EVER been cancelled?) Burnham is also the only figure of comparable age to Gus, and NONE of their former faults are parallel to Gus's or even each other's. It was such a bad and unclear point about "cancellation" that misconstrues it with loud but valid criticism from the public. And he didn't even elaborate on any of their apparent growth journeys that should make us keep faith for Gus. Like, okay.

[@isidoooora]

@@Diana-mu7pc bo Burnham is a comparison totally out of place because he quit bc of mental health issues, like anxiety and panic attacks, not bc he did sth bad. just like you said, he made inappropriate jokes as a teenager and that about it

[@kc_lee_ann]

I’m sorry but when a 14 year can be tried as an adult a 26 year old man can be held to what they said. I know you’re not the one making that excuse but I thought this was a good place to put this point

[@TheManonCanon]

THIS THIS THIS

[@AlexHerlan]

I'm not defending Gus or saying he shouldnt be held to account for his actions. But acting like 26 is some pinnacle of maturity, where he "should have known better by now so much there's little hope for him to grow from here" is hilarious. And a stark commentary on how young his community is in general and how young the people commenting on this situation are lol

[@LolaSebastian]

“What they want is closure… And, unfortunately, that’s not something we, as an audience, are owed.” So, so true.

[@MyYTReplyNotificationsAreOff]

except we have no way of telling if they're just another Gus if they stay quiet and don't show their support of the victim and disapproval of Gus. these are the instances where people's character is actually tested bc the situation is real for them instead of being at a distance where its easy to judge. I know I will continue to be suspicious of them bc before what happened I thought Gus was the same as them and now he isnt. Not addressing it for their audiences causes a lack of trust when all it takes is being honest about what they think... unless what they think is not acceptable.

[@thatonegaybitch1811]

@@MyYTReplyNotificationsAreOff But you also can’t force it out of them. People have cope and accept finding out something so horrible about a person they were in good spirits with. And they get to do it on their own time.

[@MyYTReplyNotificationsAreOff]

@@thatonegaybitch1811 yeah, so when they take the time to process, THEN they can address it. But not addressing it only helps the abuser

[@KamshatNurlanova]

Tbh, the most disturbing part about Sabrina's situation is how fucked up the healthcare system in the US is. Gus acted as a sack of shit, but when Sabrina said that she had to get back home the next day after the surgery I literally lost my ability to speak.

[@tashaology8376]

Especially when they told her to just 'bleed it out at home' like,, ???

[@Eevee860]

Except that's something she said with no proof, if there's no proof than assume it didn't happen, innocent until proven guilty

[@wrigglenightbug8679]

@@Eevee860 the proof is literally the u.s healthcare system

[@yungoldman2823]

Dude if you think thats out of the realm of possibility you havent had to deal with 90% of healthcare workers. Literally two days ago my cousin was recovering from reconstructive jaw surgery, had his shit wired shut, and they were supposed to move him into a different room and keep giving him pain meds. However when we went back the next day he was in the same room, hadnt been given any food, water, or pain meds, and obviously couldnt talk because of the wired shut thing and the anesthesia was so strong he couldnt really get up. Oh and they didnt even have a fucking button on his bed or anywhere to call for assistance, and this is a fucking good hospital for chicago. Its bad out here man.

[@trybunt]

@@Eevee860 what? How about- if someone makes a claim without good evidence, then you don't make a conclusion either way until there's more evidence. If I say "I own a wolf" you aren't obliged to either believe it exists or it doesn't, you can also be like "I don't know enough about this to come to a conclusion". Besides all that, this story isn't exactly an empty claim. It was corroborated by Gus, there are decent reasons to think this happened, like photos, and not very good reasons to think this is all some elaborate deception, so assuming that it's all fake until proven otherwise doesn't make any sense. Especially when I could say "Sabrina is slandering Gus" and you would be required to conclude that this both happened and didn't happen, if you were using the logic consistently, that's why it's not good logic

[@GeekyNerdTheatre]

I believe Boogie was accused of verbal abuse himself a few years back and his persona outside of his KZbin channel is inherently misogynistic which explains why he has sympathy for men like Gus. He isn't just defending Gus or Louis CK, he's defending himself. He's projecting onto these men to feel better about himself.

[@ChichiNaka]

Boogie has also never had a real opinion on anything, he's crushed thousands of fences by sitting right in the middle of them The guy defended Nazis over people in his chat because 'at least they stood for something' KZbin/twitch is full of emotionally stunted 20-50 year olds all with the emotional intelligence of a 13 year old

[@spookyho5994]

@@ChichiNaka he did what?? literally why are people like this

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

@ThirdGear That person was also harassing him nonstop and then escalated it by going to his house and filmed the continued harassment when Boogie shot into the air to get him to leave. I have no love for either of them - just adding the context because I'm still not 100% that incident should be held against him...seems like there's plenty of other valid stuff tho

[@ChichiNaka]

@@spookyho5994 There used to be a subreddit that catagorized exactly why hes a horrible person. He basically hired a camgirl tocome live with him and got abusive anytime she wanted to leave too

[@ChichiNaka]

@@herefortheshrimp1469 I agree with the notion broadly but he also egged on that crazy troll to come to his house then againtried to play the pity card of JUST LET ME PUT MY DOG INSIDE AND THEN YOU CAN KILL ME NOT MY DOG

[@drewder1789]

Props to Eddy for cutting Gus off and supporting Sabrina even though it took away his most popular type of content(the Gus and Eddy podcast)

[@FlowersInTheVase_]

Gus positioned himself as this caring and supportive person who was so wholesome, and always there for his friends when needed. He encouraged others to be good people, his trademark phrase was literally boys support boys. I think part of what makes what he did extra horrible (of course just on face value, what he did was horrendous) was the fact he faked being genuinely kind so well, and his fans feel betrayed. His and Sven's catty videos aren't what we expect from him at all. I used to love listening to the Gus and Eddy pod, and thought Gus was one of the funniest youtubers I watch. I unsubbed and now only follow Eddy and Sabrina. Thanks for giving this subject the attention it needed, and speaking so delicately about it.

[@anvisriva1824]

I agree wholeheartly. Gus literally made videos calling other people out on sexism and being just shitty people in general. The fact that he himself turned out to be one of the people he would call out makes this just so strange and upsetting

[@joelman1989]

What’s fascinating is I’m sure in his mind he was a good person who believes the things he said. One of the things I’ve noticed is it’s actually a lot easier to be good to people the further away they are from you. Like it’s easier to support a friend than it is a family member. It’s hardest to support a SO or children. Because those closest to you are often taken for granted. I know good people that are so rude to their parents or siblings. I know people that do a lot for others but hardly spend time with their children and spouses. What I’m getting at is we should be careful about acting like we’re 100% above what Gus is. Most of us, myself included, would NEVER abuse our SO in the way he did. What he did was deplorable. But maybe, we do things that are not as far off as we’d like to think. Maybe I’m speaking for myself here. But stories like these are a reminder for me that anyone is susceptible to cognitive dissonance. That I need to constantly evaluate how i treat others and I need to be receptive to feedback. I need to call my freaking mom more often because the poor woman doesn’t deserve how I neglect her. Sorry… I got too personal.

[@syd5380]

@@joelman1989 I think you’re right here. It’s not so much that what we saw of Gus was entirely fake, it’s that we were not even sort of seeing a full picture. I’ve personally known plenty of people who I thought were like truly good people at their core only to learn that they treated the people nearest to them like absolute shit. People are capable of containing, being and doing a lot of different things, specifically cause of internal cognitive dissonance like you described.

[@4kibamb0n89]

@@joelman1989 this is a very interesting thought, thank you for sharing it

[@Maialeen]

He should have made his catchphrase "Boys support boys and only boys" to make it more accurate.

[@chloeray2041]

As someone who has been through a similar situation to Sabrina (a lot less severe, but still very traumatic) I cannot stand how most of the content creators have been talking about her story ( boogie trying to make the video a bit lighter by introducing his new dog, or others treating it so casually). I know it's kind of hard to know how going through that feels, but come on. Don't try and lighten the mood, this is the reality of how people with uteruses are treated especially when it comes to stuff like this. It feels like people aren't taking Sabrina seriously still.

[@grimmgoosegoose216]

yeah. the only video i've seen that seriously addresses sabrina's video is Mama Doctor Jones. Everyone else seems to be like "Oh no! Anyway..." Ectopic pregnancies are so fucking serious, i really hate how people keep downplaying the fact that she nearly died

[@mothboy420]

anyone who can get pregnant is treated this way by the medical system and their partner, it's really not gendered

[@chloeray2041]

@@mothboy420 that's what I meant to say ^^; sorry I will edit that

[@Elegant_Sausage]

They aren't.

[@elleeedman1808]

@@grimmgoosegoose216 I think inabbers video on the situation is pretty well done as well

[@JoeDennisMusic]

The Bo Burnham comparison from Boogie was weird. Bo didn’t quit because of backlash. He quit because he was having panic attacks while performing. He made edgy jokes and used slurs in his comedy he shouldn’t have been, but the general perception of him was still very positive.

[@pastelsploosh8914]

Absolutely agree. I'm a big fan of him but even then, when boogie mentioned him, I was so confused. Not every comedian who is edgy gets thrown off the internet because Twitter heads complain 🙄

[@jackkingsby116]

Yeah it is sad that people impose their own reasoning onto situations like that.

[@maddiejoy6619]

I think the hardest thing for me to swallow about the Gus situation is that he's partially responsible for what happened to Sabrina. Obviously, he wasn't trying to cause an ectopic pregnancy, or any pregnancy. But, they were having (I assume) consensual sex with each other. That pregnancy was caused by both of them. But, everything had to fall on Sabrina. My husband felt horrible during my pregnancy whenever I had unpleasant symptoms because he felt partially responsible for it. He couldn't do anything to ease my particular symptoms, but his care, concern, and support meant so much to me. Sabrina deserved that. I hope if she becomes pregnant again in the future, her partner gives her the love and support she needs.

[@KittyPieVibes]

I feel like a lot of men and even women forget this. It takes two people to create a baby but only one person has to carry them and go through labour. The least the other party can do is be supportive in solidarity

[@JackFate76]

@@KittyPieVibes And maybe also have a word in what should be done about it? Just maybe?

[@zuccini9950]

as someone who doesn’t use twitter or followed Gus and Sven on any other social media than KZbin, and has for almost 4 years, i am SO glad this video came up in my recommendations. i saw Gus posted a video and thought ‘hey it’s been a while’ i would have never found out what he did to Sabrina otherwise.

[@emilyclaireotto]

Same goes for me! I even saw Sabrina's full video but just thought it was another ex.

[@cryforhelp7270]

I didn't know until yesterday when I brought up the new video to my friend. She's the one who told me. That's just wild

[@zippityzoop1478]

The way he came back was srsly shocking! I really had thought more of Gus, even after all of the shit he did came out I thought he’d still attempt to make a decent and honest apology when he came back.

[@thedestroyasystem]

Agreed. I held out hope that he would somehow change his ways, it was a difficult situation to be in so young so I think it was reasonable to expect some mistakes to be made. Not trying to excuse him at all btw, what he did went far beyond “mistakes” and Sabrina clearly had it much tougher than he did. My point is more that once out of the emotions of it all, one could reflect on their behavior, see exactly how shitty they behaved, and grow from that. He instead chose to double down. And that was never the type of person I’d pinned Gus for, but I’m glad the truth has finally come out.

[@rilesfomiles8662]

I seriously was like wow he really doesn’t understand the magnitude of the situation bc he’s giving a half ass apology to the wrong people. So disappointing.

[@graphicnovellife]

I feel you on this. I almost thought about sending them something and now I'm glad the PO Box got closed so I didn't waste my time on him. I still love Eddie, but after all of this, I am scared to show support to any KZbinr beyond just watching their videos. I own two Yikes shirts and I now sit in this fear of "What if he does something wrong? Did I support someone I will regret later doing so? Who is next to disappoint me?" KZbin is such a dangerous place for falling in love with content creators.

[@taylortropiano6866]

@@thedestroyasystem very well worded

[@jasmine-ruff-puff9951]

Weird how he criticized other creators for their "comeback" behaviour, then he copied them when it was his turn. 🤔

[@mynameisuju]

The fact that his entire comedic response seems to be boiled down to "she was exaggerating" is a very misogynist take. Makes the whole protect the boys vibe he had seem so evil now.

[@tjenadonn6158]

The Thin Boy Line.

[@livcaitbff]

Right, it's so evil. She could've died and he still thinks she's overreacting

[@anniesmith6165]

“Boys support boys” meant women don’t matter, i guess

[@Alter292]

Tragic because I think Eddy meant that in the purest possible way. Girls are also boys and boys support boys. We clearly see who meant it given the responses.

[@katelynknopp8397]

@@anniesmith6165 super disappointing

[@PlatinumYoshi]

One thing that also angers me about Gus is that in his twitter apology, he does the "I've grown" excuse. But around the same month that the apology was made, he neglected Sabrina's support for her rhinoplasty recovery to open Pokemon cards on Twitch which was mentioned in her rhinoplasty video. I used to admire Gus, but this situation angers me to no end.

[@grimmgoosegoose216]

I remember when I first saw the rhinoplasty video I was shocked gus didn't her up from the surgery, and then when she was talking about how much she hated being by herself, it really left a bad taste in my mouth. Sabrina is a really cool person and it broke my heart to see her feel so alone. And then when she released the ectopic video... I just really hope that she is well supported in her new home

[@Ketchme17]

@@grimmgoosegoose216 I think the rhinoplasty situation is where I'm lost in this controversy. Sabrina said that she expected her mom to stay with her longer than she did, leaving her a bit upset about being alone. She said that Gus had been visiting her after her procedure and he did earlier that day of his stream. I think it was like 3 am that she said that Gus wouldn't drop the stream to come back over to see her. I get it, she wanted him to be there and earlier he said that he would if she needed him, but he had been earlier and it was late, he was working, and she had a minor cosmetic procedure that did not restrict her from caring for herself. It just felt a bit excessive to say that that situation was an example of his negligence. Maybe this is just because I have the perspective of someone who has had multiple surgeries, although not cosmetic and quite physically restrictive, but you can't just expect your partner to be at your beck and call all the time; there needs to be at least a bit of consideration for their needs and their happiness.

[@SRR-rh7id]

@@Ketchme17 wow. Justifying abuse. Nice

[@Karools_Scribs]

@@Ketchme17 ironic that you say she had to to have a bit of consideration when he had none. He made that offer to be there, so she just took him (her partner) up on his offer.

[@olivialanc9035]

@@SRR-rh7id Abuse? Wow, sure. She had a voluntary surgery for something she didn't need and expected her boyfriend to be at her side doing everything for her 24/7. He needs to do his job too.

[@rxxrcousin]

He's always passed himself off as really understanding, supportive, and uplifting of women. It's so sad. My heart is with Sabrina and all people who have been through abusive relationships

[@LaChroniqueEdgy1816]

I want to give Sven the benefit of the doubt. He deleted the sketch and hasn't made his stance clear. It's gotta be hard to be stuck in the middle of a situation like that, between a good friend and a brother, it must be awful to voice your opinion in those conditions

[@OwlsSkySailing]

I agree, I think he’s in one of the most awkward spots out of everyone affiliated with Gus and I really feel like Sven’s sketch wasn’t meant to be a dig at Sabrina. I still have hope for Sven, but I’ll never feel good about supporting Gus again

[@MyoticTesseract]

he just made a tweet clarifying that it was honestly bad timing and he even had to be convinced that it could be connected to the situation, and at least for now i choose to believe him

[@Joshwork13]

He tweeted a response today about his video today. And Sabrina endorsed Sven’s response.

[@KN-hg2nv]

oh yeah so hard to support a person your own brother almost let die. wow. so very hard. jesus christ guys.

[@FiftyStates5]

@@KN-hg2nv If you can't understand why that's hard you have your own issues

[@aztektheultimatewoman]

Your note about a large portion of Gus’s audience not knowing the situation… …yeah, I’m one of those. I’m not on any social media platforms outside of Discord so I had no idea that any of this happened. I watched Gus’s content fairly regularly and enjoyed it, and was subscribed, but wasn’t enough of a fan to really notice that he hadn’t been active for a few months. When he posted his “comeback” video, I don’t have the words for it, but something felt off. It wasn’t funny, it just felt awkward and uncanny and, even without the context, mean-spirited. This video of yours is what explained the whole situation to me and- the whole story is horrifying. I wish Sabrina all the best and hope Gus crashes and burns. ❤️

[@gabrielleengel7476]

This also happened for me. I had no idea about any of this since I'm not on social media a lot and just watch the KZbin videos. It just makes me so mad and sick.

[@zoey-oey-oeyd4020]

same! i don’t use twitter, and i don’t watch sabrina, so i heard about it several days ago via a youtube clip of eddy talking about it on his twitch stream. and i clicked on the clip thinking “the gus johnson situation” was a joke because i thought gus was a pretty wholesome, undramatic guy! the ice pack video was, for lack of a better word, sus, but i didn’t really think much of it

[@syntheticat-3]

Same, I literally only found out after seeing this video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2POiX6sl5yql5I) pop up in my KZbin recommendations, and then scrolling down to the comments and realizing from *those* that something had actually gone wrong

[@marissa1126]

I saw Sabrina's video and didn't know she and Gus had broken up, so I just thought it was about some dirt bad before him. Sad to know the reality, but this cleared things up.

[@Huanke_0h]

same, i only go on reddit, but i follow just a few subreddits, not his, and i only knew about this situation a few months ago by reading the comments in one duncan's videos, i believe. i was shocked and disappointed, not necessarily sad because i didn't idolize him, i just liked his comedy and his podcast with eddy.

[@AxiiMadeMeDoIt]

I bet everyone's reactions would be wildly different if Gus physically abused Sabrina. Emotional/medical abuse is just as abhorrent

[@AleksandarBell]

Especially because what he did was both emotional and physical neglect. He neglected her emotions and needs just for his personal comfort. Ugh disgusting.

[@QTpatootie95]

They tend to go hand in hand and people tend not to care regardless. Look at Jake Paul and the R word allegation in the New York Times or Chris Brown who still has a thriving career. I'm really tired of people acting like people have ever cared whether the abuse was physical or otherwise.

[@IDoABitOfTrollin]

@@QTpatootie95 welcome to America. Sweep it under the rug and let people forget

[@cctproductions6976]

Hamsters

[@dezthedangerous2452]

I totally understand. Mental, emotional abuse, abuse of power dynamics in a relationship can be just as scary as physical abuse. I was more scared leaving the person who never touched me without my consent than the person who would hit me with no regards. Thought he would come after me and my family after the fact. (Edit:was even nervous to post this comment. His words still echo in my head at times, I’m working on overcoming them.)

[@jpruiz8253]

There's always been a weird lack of empathy for women in certain sectors of the commentary community.

[@ruminationstation4200]

I wouldnt call it weird. Misognists lacking basic empathy for women is a tale as old as time. The commentary community is still dominated by middle class cishet white men, and the bias in what they do and don't feel is worth commenting on reflects that.

[@krusher181]

…?

[@SeeMeRolling]

Theres a lack of empathy for women in general, and physical conditions are always downplayed, women are always just made out to be "hysterical"

[@ultimatewolfexists2378]

@@ruminationstation4200 most creators in that scene by what I’ve seen are genuinely good people who learn from their mistakes, it’s extremely surprising to see how misogynistic these comments have been.

[@sadmermaid]

And comedy.

[@darkninjafirefox]

One thing from this situation that gets to me is the lack of education around ectopic pregnancies and other complications. We're taught little more than "if you have sex you'll get pregnant" and often times medical professionals won't believe you if you think something is wrong

[@the_sky_is_blue_and_so_am_I]

It sucks for us

[@FrenkTheJoy]

My sex ed class was pretty thorough - we learned about actual sex, STDs, and pregnancy, with a "the only 100% effective way to prevent that stuff is abstinence" message - but didn't learn about ectopic pregnancies at all.

[@Mama_Bear524]

Have 3 kids. Didn’t know until after I gave birth to the second how fatal preeclampsia can be. Didn’t even know the signs. 99.9% sure I had it with him. Scary. We don’t learn much.

[@SomberP]

The irony of his actions is that a baby would not have ruined his career, but what he did to try to “protect” his career did.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

Yeah there are a lot of successful KZbinrs who've had babies with no problem - including WOMEN, so they've maintained a successful career while being pregnant!. I don't know why he would think having a baby would ruin his career. I mean there are ASMRtists who have babies and toddlers, who have no problem, even though the videos are supposed to be really quiet and they have a baby or young child in the house with them. I don't see how having a baby would've ruined his career at all.

[@NovaKnight_]

I’m not even a fan of her but Miranda Sings/Colleen did her shit WHILE she was pregnant. Ultra Chad shit right there. Gus is a coward.

[@GrimaceTheCat1]

You can’t have a baby from ectopic pregnancy. It’s not possible.

[@SomberP]

@@GrimaceTheCat1 he told her before knowing that it was an ectopic pregnancy to get an abortion.

[@t-rex4211]

@@SomberPThey’d agreed not to have children prior to the pregnancy. If he didn’t want kids then it’s hardly surprising he’s opposed to her having it 🤷‍♂️

[@inthemarrr7745]

compared to other youtubers that have ""come back"" to the platform, gus made the colossal mistake as a content creator by garnering an audience of rational people that know right from wrong who aren't afraid to hold their idols accountable.

[@Emul7ifier]

It would have been much easier if his fans were 8-14 but he doesn't get that luxury lol

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

Sadly, there are still people who cling to him, but you are correct in that he generally got an audience that wasn’t particularly young or stupid, and he sometimes made content calling other people out and encouraging people to think critically, either through satire or the occasional commentary video. It’s so surreal to see him be as fake as the big vloggers and shit because he built an audience that was willing to make fun of people like them.

[@sagemybrain6740]

You should look at his latest comments, it's disgusting and sad

[@eilis5341]

Yeh remember his Chris brown video it’s ironic now

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

@@eilis5341 Yeah, that's a perfect example of a video that once put out by a KZbinr...means they better be a good partner in their private lives. His content attracted a fanbase of people who have strong negative opinions about abusive relationships and abusive men like Chris Brown, and liked that he took being a good partner seriously...which is why I stupidly assumed he was smart enough to either be an amazing partner OR stay single... because if he wasn't, then exactly what has happened would happen. The truth would come out and ruin his career. 🤦 That's what one gets for building their platform & public image all around being a good person who knows right from wrong & cares about other people. Lots of media creators have as part of their image things like "being an asshole" and "not caring about others"...so they can better survive these sudden reveals/"scandals"/whatever you wanna call it when you find out someone was actually a giant asshole POS the whole time. Not Gus Johnson and his ilk, though. Eddy Burback saved himself by immediately cutting ties and destroying their relationship - including their work/content creation. Sven was taken down with him. It's a damn shame, to say the least. - Fuck Gus Johnson.

[@emilyreed28]

That sketch is beyond tasteless. Ectopic pregnancies are not only very painful but life threatening. My mother almost died bc of one and was luckily caught in time. Her indication that something was very very wrong, was the immense pain she was in. Its also extremely mentally strenuous. She did not exaggerate in anyway and he is gross and should be ashamed.

[@heatherlee2967]

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[@Audrey-ou3zn]

I'm always disappointed, but not surprised when people don't know about these reproductive health emergencies. I think what's saddening though is that you don't have to fully understand it to be empathetic to someone in pain. I think my bfs understanding of an ectopic pregnancy Is " the egg gets stuck and its very dangerous and life-threatening ", but he wouldn't doubt me if I said something was wrong and that I needed help. He might not know what's going on fully, but he would try his best to support me . I think it's so sad, Gus didn't even have to do anything but care for her when she was hurting and maybe drive her around. Idk in a partnership that seems fairly basic. I'm so sorry to hear about your mother's experience but I'm so glad she caught it.

[@emilyreed28]

@@Audrey-ou3zn I completely agree and thank you. She had a healthy baby girl afterwards. My youngest sibling and everyone is thriving.

[@ramsei6165]

Honestly, yeah, I think hounding Gus' past friends and acquaintances to make a statement is doing more harm than good. It's extremely difficult to deal with the fact that someone you thought you could trust turns out to be an awful person. If we as an audience are taking it hard with our parasocial connection to Gus, then I couldnt imagine how it must feel for his close friends that had no idea it was this horrible.

[@joelman1989]

2 hours after feeling the bitter sting of betrayal and confusion that must inevitably come after learning the news that your once close friend could do something like this/ the sense of loss for a friend you cared about and loved that may never have existed and now you must symbolically kill from your life/ the harrowing guilt at worrying about the financial repercussions/ the mourning for a friend who was abused and the guilt that you might have noticed some red flags but didn’t pay enough attention and “how could I not have seen??? Am I guilty too????”: …. So anyway what’s up guys!! welcome back to my channel today we’re gonna be dunking on Gus Johnson!!! :D

[@GypsyxDarling]

I agree. And it creates a toxic environment where we just assume that anyone who doesn’t publicly denounce their former friends and colleagues are complicit because “why else would they still associate with them?” And it’s like… idk man, human relationships are weird and messy, and demanding people respond the way you want them to is gonna be a hard way to go through life.

[@alwaystired1]

Agreed, and that's not to say "I expect zero feedback from other creators about this." but that demanding their response doesn't really work out. I've been in a situation where you see someone's true colors that you knew closely, it takes time to come to terms with shit like that as the otherwise unaffected party. As someone above me said “how could I not have seen??? Am I guilty too????” are real feelings that take time to process. The most I expected for an immediate response was for people to not re-involve themselves with Gus and his content.

[@Kelly_C]

my grandma was a nurse and she once told me that a miscarriage, even if the pregnancy is unwanted, is one of the hardest things that can happen to a woman, not even because of the loss of the pregnancy but because you feel so alone. it's something that's not Meant to be Talked About-did you know that 15% (fifteen percent!) of pregnancies miscarry? cus I sure as hell didn't. often the only person who knows is the (typically male) partner, who doesn't understand, usually doesn't even try to understand, if anything, the partner belittles the woman and makes her feel even worse, like Sabrina. my mom had a second trimester miscarriage before she had me. the only reason she was having a third baby was because she wanted a girl so bad, so she had already bought baby clothes, was redecorating the nursery, told everyone, etc. but all her friends at the time were men, and when she lost the baby (doctors never told her why) they were all basically like "feels bad man." she says that trauma really changed her as a person (in a bad way), and she thinks a huge part of it was no one being there for her. it's not so much that mEn SuCk, more that our society fails men at every stage of their lives. the patriarchy hurts everyone

[@frozenyogurth]

Yup, there is so little awareness about female reproductive systems and how pregnNcies affect people in general. Especially on a hormonal level.

[@trala8911]

And the total number of lost pregnancies is even higher. A lot of women miscarry before they even know they’re pregnant, which obviously isn’t as emotionally devastating but does make the numbers likely far higher. A lost pregnancy is also only a miscarriage before 20 weeks, after which it’s instead classed as a stillbirth: again, a devastating thing for the person involved. And those numbers also don’t include the majority of ectopic pregnancies, which don’t miscarry but are instead safely aborted, to prevent the certain death of the mother. So they aren’t necessarily included in the statistics. And in many other countries, the numbers are even higher, due to things like low maternal age and maternal malnutrition, as well as a lack of prenatal care.

[@TheAwesomes2104]

10-20% of medically confirmed pregnancies at that. Between one third to half of all fertilized eggs don't even attach to the uterus and are just passed without the person even knowing it. Really makes me think about how all those forced-birther, life begins at the moment of conception, people who fight so hard to make women's lives regarding reproductive care absolutely hell, claim to be doing so under the excuse that they believe their god finds that life so sacred and important that all women should be forced to carry and birth every single fertilized egg no matter the risks... yet "he" "designed" a system in which half of them end up being flushed down the toilet (quite literally,) and another maybe third or forth of them are miscarried (or maybe more, considering that the chance of miscarriage is higher the earlier along a pregnancy is and it's impossible to know how many pregnancies are miscarried before they're even know to have existed.) It's extremely common, yet so many people seem so adamant that we treat it like a horrible, shameful secret. And now with the despicable state of the US and our abysmal health care, women are even being jailed for manslaughter for having miscarriages. Like holy shit, I don't even want to live on this planet anymore.

[@lllaaauuurrraaa]

Since no one ever wants to hear *women* talking about their bodies, this could've been a great opportunity for a male creator (Gus) to help demystify the female reproductive system by copping to the dangerous, unempathetic ignorance that almost killed a woman (i.e. something that happens every damn day). But of course, in the words of notable feminist ally, Louis CK, "Why would anything nice happen?"

[@kesartedaer]

If they are really trying to make fun of the girl, they really do not deserve a platform.

[@arislamb35]

no one should be making fun of anyone for their pain, period.

[@britishpigeon838]

As a young woman myself, sabrinas story (being incredibly heartbreaking to listen to) DID actually get the goal she intended. More people know about etatomic pregnancies and the rights we have to our pregnancies as women. I had no idea what an etatomic pregnancy was before sabrina and I'm incredibly grateful that now i have information that will help me to understand my own body and the rights i hold with it 💗 shes a real role model

[@heatherlee2967]

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[@Roblox-jb2vf]

its actually called an ectopic pregnancy for future reference

[@amemelia]

Ironically isn't it called an ectopic pregnancy

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@amemelia thankfully, doctors are very used to health issues getting the "bone apple tea" treatment

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

It's fun how something that could torture then KILL us is something our school systems never think to give us a heads up about

[@First-name.Last-name]

can't believe that the thing that made me like gus in the first place was his "pranking women in public by respecting their distance and not bothering them" video like, a male commedian commenting on the public harassment many women go through in a funny way? count me in he must be a great guy- oh wait

[@graphicnovellife]

This was such an emotional event. I feel so deeply for Sabrina and her story honestly put fear in me. I never want to have kids at this point in my life and I'm scared I will get pregnant and my partner will turn out to be someone like Gus. I'm thankful she shared her story; I hope it empowers more women to talk about their stories of abuse and it leads to some kind of change. I hate when I think of this story, I am more fixated on what Gus meant to me rather than the abuse. His content meant a lot to me and I was very moved by his and Eddie's talk of supporting people and respect for women. There was a moment I was really confused; I knew Gus had done wrong, but I wanted to still like him. After listening to more opinions, I know he's not someone I can support and fully don't think he can come back from this. Maybe he will come to the realization that what he did and continues to do is unforgivable and he will grow from it, but I don't need to be there to see it. Everyone has the capacity to do horrible things and then grow from it, but that does not mean you can be forgiven. No one is owed forgiveness.

[@thedestroyasystem]

You put things perfectly. I completely relate to everything you’ve said. Especially still wanting to like him after everything came out. Unfortunately, admiration and fondness for someone isn’t just a switch that can be instantly turned off when they do something awful. And even if you lose those feelings, the impact someone had on your life, and the fondness you once had for them, can never be erased. The best you can do is try to process those emotions and channel them into something positive. And, of course, not let your opinion of a person cloud your judgment of their actions. That, I’ve found, is one of the most important lessons to learn, and if more people could separate the two the world would be a better place.

[@graphicnovellife]

@@thedestroyasystem Yeah, you are right and I think that is why so many people are struggling with this. Gus put on such a persona of being compassionate with the "boys support boys" it made it hard to except reality. It's so weird and funny how, despite not knowing Gus, there was a part of me that wanted to defend him? I think it was mostly so I could make myself feel better about enjoying the content of an abuser. There was no way I could have known up until now, but I still feel weirdly guilty and have this fear that me liking Gus at one point reflects poorly on me.

[@amnesicshellfish]

as someone who was a casual subscriber of gus, i almost didn’t hear about what happened at all. the only reason i knew anything had occurred was from a single tiktok that i’m pretty sure had less than 1,000 views at the time of me seeing it, so i’m willing to bet a lot of the people still subscribed haven’t even heard about what happened :(

[@janitoad7342]

legit, I think it was just a random thumbnail on a recommended video that brought my awareness that there was a situation at all... uncomfortable to think I could have missed this all so easily and could still be subscribed or giving him views 😬

[@canyouspellophthalmology]

Yeah this is the first time I’ve heard of it

[@waylanemmick1230]

Remember, just because somebody makes good content doesn’t mean they get a free pass when they do something like this.

[@lilliputianhitcher3808]

gus’ ‘for the boys’ persona now reveals a lot about his own misogyny

[@thedestroyasystem]

Before the podcast was cancelled, I sent Gus and Eddy paintings I did of them, along with a note. I’d done the paintings over the big covid summer when everything was super locked down, and sent it as soon as their mailbox opened up again. I was so excited to see them get my package, my dad and I would watch together every week. But the paintings never got opened on air. And I really can’t tell if I’m thankful or disappointed for that. I don’t know what the point of writing this was, maybe just to show the impact that the Gus&Eddy community had on its fans, and the impact Gus’s awful behavior has had on us as well.

[@succubitch1054]

I was also working on paintings for them, I got them sketched and even started the process. Then this all came out, so I kinda understand what you're feeling.

[@peachy_lili]

i'm sorry that you both had to experience this very physical sort of metaphor for your lost affection for him. it's one thing to not be able to watch videos anymore but you put your heart and soul into stuff and now you have to drop it. as an artist I know that sucks.

[@nastassjahall9358]

I can't imagine putting time and effort into something for a creator then finding this out, that sounds incredibly shitty

[@1-eye-willy]

You must suck at painting or else they would have plugged it

[@thedestroyasystem]

@@1-eye-willy they had an influx of mail at the time, as a result of their mailbox being closed for months prior. One pod a week, with maybe 1-2 pieces of mail each, some days none (since they had quite a few guest episodes between then and now) plus some skip weeks, that’s gonna take a while to get through. They’ve opened (and praised) subjectively bad gifts/art on the pod before, because they open it for the first time on the pod and wanted to be grateful. Point being I’m not entirely sure how “your art sucks lol” was the conclusion that you came to, considering all of this information.

[@kelleyreeves965]

I was a big fan of Gus, even meeting him on his tour. It was so disappointing to hear what he put Sabrina through, I never saw it coming

[@pgakt]

Sadly abusers are typically very good at convincing everyone else at what a good person they are to hide their evil nature :-(

[@a.rudesill]

it was actually tragic to hear, Sabrina never should have had to go through anything like that. I'm glad she got to the point where she could share her story. I'm more than happy to stop watching his stuff to not support someone like him. I wish Sabrina nothing but the best

[@brinka7918]

the “apology” was revolving about him. it’s still about him him and him not about her; her pain, her trauma. it’s him.

[@zulal9926]

Also this apology shouldn't be towards "the fans" or whatever it should've been towards Sabrina bc she is the one who got hurt. I don't give a shit abt what he feels.

[@marteawqakuq7455]

exactly!!!

[@sebastianck4100]

what tipped me off was "I'd like her to know." That's not an apology. The whole thing was him trying to look good to his fans. If it was an apology, he'd make a fucking apology to her then stfu. A tweet could have been made like 'we talked it out, what i did was unhealthy and wrong and horrible. but it's between us.' because, you know, she tried to leave his name out and shit. it was other people that brought up the timeline and dug around and shit. i was watching the whole time, from the moment the pregnancy video uploaded, to his response; he had a ton of time to not make this as bad as it got. But, in retrospect, it's really clear just how unreasonable he is. He couldn't even be assed to talk to her. And even if she refused to speak with him, he wasn't even like "Please talk to me. I want to apologize to you properly. What I did was horrifying and wrong, and if you don't want to speak to me ever again, you don't have to. I didn't truly realize until now how awful that was." Fuck, to even help feed his fucking ego he could have been like "we can make this an example of what to never do." His audience was making endless reddit posts asking, "What do we do next?" It was the best chance to do anything. He could have done anything other than what he did

[@eliastalks7411]

@@sebastianck4100 yeah he should have apologised to her directly. And then made a video saying that he has apologised to her, what he did wrong, what actions he is taking to improve (u know, like actually going to therapy), and taking an actual break. But instead he flamed on Twitter and lied about going to therapy.

[@nerdebrief149]

Boogie2988 comparing Bo Burnham’s situation with Gus Johnson’s pissed me off because Bo Burnham took a break because he was having panic attacks every day, and he needed to focus on himself. Gus Johnson dug himself this hole.

[@kathryncryts5537]

I watched Sabrina’s video when it first came out and it completely broke my heart. But it took me a a few months to even suspect she was talking about Gus. I don’t follow any of them on twitter and didn’t even realize they broke up. It wasn’t until Gus posted his apology video on KZbin yesterday that I knew it was him and my opinions of him are just completely shattered now. I really appreciate you making this video because I know there has to be a lot of people out there like me that either just found out yesterday or still don’t know

[@umlautsoup7549]

I love, love, love what you said at 19:17. When I read people's comments about the situation, or watch video's like Boogies, it's generally from the point of view of the audience forgiving Gus, when it has nothing to to do with us? This is all about how Gus treated Sabrina, not his audience, and it's entirely up to her to accept any form of forgiveness. And rarely do I see people bring up what happened after her emergency surgery. For years after, Sabrina had no support circle around her; only Gus knew what happened and was emotionally abusive. Saying things like 'anyone else would of left you by now' instead of helping her process the extreme trauma she endured. She became a shell of her former self and he resented that her for holding him back. Her reproductive system is permenantly damaged and might never have children on her own (which seemed like something she would of wanted when the time is right). Maybe Gus will learn from this and be a better person in his next relationship, but it was almost at the expensive of Sabrina's life and now she's permenantly scarred from knowning him. I chose to support her journey to finding peace, as Gus lost nothing. Oh, and oddly enough how I found out about this situation was through iNabber's video. I'm not a subscriber to him or any related channels but it was pushed thorugh my algorithm. Paused half way through and watched Sabrina's video which was posted many months ago. Surprised I didn't hear about it sooner.

[@purplelamp273]

Totally agree! Thought I would add on that he neglected her after her nose surgery in 2021. She texted him that she needed him, but he just continued opening pokemon cards. So much for him "having grown" as he stated in his apology :/

[@luffyduffy7817]

Thank you so much for mentioning how removing dislikes helps horrible people return to the platform without letting people know. Like I was about to go see what the ratio was on his video was to see how people reacted to his return then I remembered I can’t

[@heatherlee2967]

This

[@jaspirita]

If you use chrome, there is an extension that allows you to see the likes and dislikes. Right now the video is at 34K likes/35K dislikes. Hope this helped.

[@foenixs4085]

@@jaspirita what's the extension called?

[@ruminationstation4200]

I'm pretty sure removing accountability becuase too many major KZbinrs have started to get blowback is the entire point. They also changed how they display subscriber count after the first time James Charles got cancelled. At the end of the day, all KZbin cares about is protecting their income.

[@jaspirita]

@@foenixs4085 Return KZbin Dislike

[@randohuman5084]

I thought Sven's skit was going to make fun of people not taking a legit medical condition seriously...boy was I wrong.

[@acoelomate2984]

yeah its so weird like when duncan first started showing i was like “oh is he standing by sabrina?” but no it doesn’t rlly seem like that which is even weirder

[@anvisriva1824]

Yeah I'm still really confused by what he was trying to say

[@show._bug]

i just watched it and it seems more like he’s trying to make fun of her?? which if he is, that’s absolutely sick

[@SLYCoopaEatsChicken]

I imagine gus probably learned his abusive behaviour from his family and so I don't imagine his brothers are much better.

[@agneebags]

@@SLYCoopaEatsChicken the whole gus situation sucked so much and i thought, "hey wow this is the worst but at least i can still watch sven." it sounds silly, but svens video put a pit in my stomach. both brothers humor meant so much to me and now it's gone.

[@SugaSwooga]

While there are still Gus defenders out there (even though he admitted that everything she said was true), I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the majority of people standing with Sabrina, especially on Twitter. Usually, people would defend him since he was such a beloved creator and in many cases, a woman is usually questioned on the credibility and validity of their stories.

[@CatsandDragons7]

???? Bo Burnham left comedy for five years because he was having _panic attacks ON STAGE_. That is NOT the same thing as Dave Chapelle or Louis CK or Gus????

[@manjimagupta9509]

so excited to see you talking about this, because i know it'll be well-rounded and really well thought out!

[@KuncanDastner]

I certainly did my best!! I hope you enjoy :)

[@allisonavery7273]

@@KuncanDastner I know I enjoyed it. You seemed to provide the facts of the case before offering your opinion

[@allisonavery7273]

So, thank you

[@snakes7303]

I really enjoyed the video, but am only hearing about this now, and Sabrina’s video never got to me. So, like any reasonable person, I watched both here and this one, and went to unsubscribe from both Sven and Gus…and 11 hours after this video is posted, Sven has deleted the My Diagnosis video. Hm…🤨

[@Dootdodeet]

The whole "Gus can still change" argument is technically true, but a big part of Gus's brand is being supportive to the people around you (boys support boys and all that). That part of his character being a lie would hurt his career a lot more than someone else in his situation.

[@dsscats2198]

Also very worth mentioning that he's blocking people on Twitter who level even constructive criticism against him, which is just about the furthest thing from an interest in growing and changing as possible.

[@fa1ruz]

She went to work after her ectopic pregnancy bursted while bleeding inside and he acts like she was just having a mild cram

[@gracesherman7482]

Sadly I was apart of the percentage of Gus’s audience that had no idea about this whole situation. I am out of words. I’ve supported and loved not only Gus but everything he’s worked on & all those who surround him. I always thought I could count on that group of creators to be out of the drama side and understand right from wrong when in the public eye but I have been proven wrong. Thank you so much for creating this video & informing those like me who had no idea

[@importantstuf8870]

Me too. I'm really disappointed.

[@tripatripatripatri]

As a woman in general, Gus Johnson has been the tipping point for me to stop giving internet famous men a 100% of my trust. No matter how feminist, inclusive or progressive they might present themselves to the public, there always seems to be some important shit under the rug and I'm sick of being manipulated by them bc they seem so great "how could they ever do something bad?". Remember people show you what they want you to see. Sorry to the genuinely good men. Blame Gus Johnson.

[@eminempreg]

Honestly no one online deserves 100% of your trust or any of ours. Qe gotta remember at the end of the day we don't know these people. We see afew sides of them and that's it. We gotta stop putting them on pedestals for basic behavior Also I wouldn't go so far to say they're "manipulating you" Someone acting a certain way on camera and then having it come out they're kinda (or fully) shit IRL isn't manipulation

[@anenemystand5582]

I have no issue with that. By all means do not give you're full trust to famous men. At the end of the day we don't know them. It's just smart to remember that. It sucks that it is that way, but I'd rather people protect themselves then be hurt for being too trusting.

[@ninawth]

I totally get where you're coming from. I also have this issue with men in my own personal life, who pretend to be feministic - but then you realise they're doing it in the most condescending way, and you eventually find out there's a lot of sh*t hidden behind the façade. It's really disheartening.

[@privateemail9755]

I agree completely. That being said, I don't trust Sabrina in general either. I believe her completely with this situation, though I don't generally trust her after the PPE loan BS.

[@privateemail9755]

@@ninawth *gave him

[@sweetdisposition279]

gus blocked my friend on twitter bc after he tweeted about his new injury video they responded just being like "hey this is gross and im disappointed" and that warranted a block in his mind

[@PaolaCarlos]

You earned my respect for talking about this and not shying away

[@darthlouis3418]

You’re acting like there’s no monetary/clout incentive for people to be making videos about this right now. Especially ones that are highly critical of Gus. There was like three or four ad breaks in this video. If we’re being generous, it’s a sort of community service... Not exactly some entirely brave and selfless act.

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@darthlouis3418 I think the comment is more like "seeing how most of the commentary community are showing themselves to be part of the problem in their continued and resounding silence, it's a relief to finally see someone *other* than iNabber willing to comment on the situation, cause I am losing more and more hope in the male commentary community" I don't actually really want to see content from most of them, but the fact they can't even make a definitive statement disavowing a former collaborator? Gross.

[@dhan07404]

If there's one thing I gotta give him credit for is that his actual FULL APOLOGY on KZbin is somehow worse than and makes him appear even more like an asshole and someone who's trying so hard to act like HES the one who's in danger cos of this than his notes apology that is impressive

[@jakeritmiller]

You completely missed that Gus has a tour coming up and he was doing whatever in his power to not have to cancel it.

[@Xvladin]

Wouldn’t that COST him money (like paying cancellation fees) and also disappoint the majority of people who still want to go to his show? Not canceling seems like a very reasonable move imo

[@april_showers04]

@@Xvladin A reasonable from a financial perspective but he will def catch a lot flack if he goes ahead with it, especially after THIS being his comeback video.

[@Xvladin]

@@april_showers04 but why is his comeback video necessarily bad? I certainly don’t think that he’s doing it to make fun of Sabrina. People point at it and say it’s bad because SOMEONE COULD POTENTIALLY construe it that way, but that’s just painting it in the worst light possible.

[@april_showers04]

@@Xvladin I don't think it's bad faith. He took a months long break after a pretty big medical scandal, and he CHOSE for the video to be about this subject matter. It could've been literally anything else. And he's not stupid, I'm sure he made the correlation.

[@oil_painted_dessert]

Nnnnope-he put the tour on hold right away in his first apology. This is just straight up false info

[@Shoob-k5u]

I never even watched Gus’s ice pack vid it feels truly insidious. I was already disappointed with how fast he came back. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that the situation wasn’t black and white and sounded very complicated. He barely gave former fan’s enough time to process what he did let alone enough time to meaningful reflect. His comeback cements what we learned in Sabrina’s video: Gus cares more about his career than he does people. And to needle the point home with a sketch downplaying someone’s pain? Sorry Gus, I would stick around to save your failing career, but a buddy of mine is in town and we were gonna get drinks. Laterz, good luck with your tummy ache/exploding Fallopian tube.

[@GiaM184]

Note: forcing someone to stay pregnant or terminate a pregnancy, especially when health problems are involved, is reproductive abuse. Edit: I just want to clarify for anyone not wanting to read the comments, I'm not accusing Gus of reproductive abuse. I felt like the subject of Sabrina's ordeal (a partner being basically terrible in regards to reproductive health) coupled with the huge problem that is dv, warranted a comment about something like this.

[@Ketchme17]

Just to be clear, he didn't do that. His opinion was that he wanted her to get an abortion.

[@GiaM184]

@@Ketchme17 I didn't actually say Gus was an abuser it's just a note that is related to a topic like this especially since it's happened to many people, one of whom I knew that left her infertile. I hoped this reply doesn't come off as antagonistic, the way so many KZbin replies do, I was just trying to clear up what my comment was about

[@katelehane705]

@@Ketchme17 he said he'd leave her if she didn't... sounds coercive to me

[@heatherlee2967]

+++++++++

[@piss7610]

How is it abuse to have someone terminate a pregnancy? Should they have the baby? Some people don't want kids and a lot of adoption places are cruel. Yeah, it sucks, but having a baby is a two person deal.

[@shannonadams5162]

kudos to sabrina for not forgiving gus for his half-ass apology. his “comeback” video was disgusting and it was weird to not really see anyone talking about it. people tend to really downplay how traumatizing a horrible medical experience can be, and loved ones and doctors not believing you can make you question your own sanity.

[@averyeml]

I’m so in awe of Sabrina’s bravery coming out with this when the guy in her story is so known for being one of the “good guys” on the internet. It could’ve gone 100% bad for her if his audience was trashier. I also super respect Eddy dumping him right away. So glad some of them are decent 💙

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

Youre absolutely right! He cultivated an audience of (mostly) adults who care about empathy and equality and then it bit him on the ass. Sabrina and Eddy really meant what they put out into the world though

[@sunnyandthechlo]

I mean...you can't really overreact to an ectopic pregnancy, that's serious.

[@anvisriva1824]

Gus is 100% in the wrong and we definitely shouldn't overlook that but I think one of the main things that we should take away from Sabrina's video (or at least one of the things that stood out to me when I watched it) is that Sabrina was completely let down by the medical system that was supposed to help her. She literally almost DIED because not one single doctor thought to look into the clear signs that something was wrong until it was nearly too late. And this is not just some isolated incident. So many women (and men) have been ignored or abused by the medical industry and have suffered severely because of it. This is a serious problem that needs to be talked about more. Sexism in the medical industry can be fatal. I understand that people would tend to focus more on Gus because he has a big following and the news is very shocking but I hope that more people learn from Sabrina's video about sexism in the medical field as well as ectopic pregnacies and similar conditions. I never even knew what an ectopic pregnancy was before I watched it

[@justrandomotaku]

Yeah!! After all the dust falls and people move on like it was just some Internet drama, I hope at least this message still stands. Women need to be believed in healthcare.

[@rebeccat7912]

That is honestly what made me the most upset. It took ten years for someone to properly diagnose my mental illness (by this point I had been misdiagnosed with 8 things, had been on 14 meds, and had been institutionalized 4 times), it took 3 different opinions over the course of 18 months to get an actual diagnosis for ovarian cancer (which most certainly could have killed me), and I was told that the incident was partially my fault when I forced myself to to get a s3xual assault forensic exam on 2 occasions. These stories are a minute insight to the sexism and incompetency of the medical system, and it makes me so frustrated that anyone has to put up with this.

[@ruminationstation4200]

The thing that makes me angriest is how many stories I've heard of women not being taken seriously by doctors until their male partner is in the room. So many women only got a follow up test/scan cause a man was in the room to insist. And Gus *did* take the initiative to make sure he was in the room....to further reinforce the doctors belief that she's probably being dramatic. He did literally the exact opposite of what he should have done. And while at the end of the day it's still the clinics fault regardless, the reality is that Gus could have easily saved her life and saved her a lot of medical complications if he hadnt been too busy being abusive. If he'd done the bare minimum to be supportive, Sabrina might still have 2 functioning ovaries. Considering how widespread it is for men to be neglectful to abusive about their female partners health care stuff, I think it's necessary to say it loud and clear that men need to step it the f*ck up, cause they have FAR more power to influence the medical system than women do. As a clean cut, caucasion midwesterner myself, I do think I have an obligation to leverage my privilege when I can, and I'm getting real tired of men taking every opportunity to swing their dicks around except the *one* where it could actually help their partner.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

It's such a huge problem. Not just for women's specific medical issues, but you also get people of all sexes getting their problems dismissed because they're fat. If you're overweight apparently every single thing wrong with you is because you're overweight, there couldn't possibly be something unrelated going on (and then they also don't offer up any advice or solution for weight loss because "eat vegetables"). Yeah, some people ARE hysterical and overreacting to their issues, but isn't it better to assume ever patient is reacting appropriately to whatever their issue is? I don't even tell my doctor about some stuff that I have problems with because she basically doesn't help anyway.

[@Mama_Bear524]

I think that was the point of her doing her video. It wasn’t to trash him though he deserves it, it was to bring attention to what happens to so many of us women. Our issues are downplayed constantly. And it too often is deadly.

[@7BUGS]

i think nickisnotgreen did a solid job of separating himself from gus and also showing public support to sabrina (just not in the form of his own yt video on the subject), but part of me wishes other creators who had/have proximity to gus would follow similar steps and just communicate that they dont tolerate abuse or really anything of that type of disclaimer, because staying silent forever can really feel like complacency to their audiences (especially considering the disturbing lack of empathetic youtube coverage)

[@ruminationstation4200]

I was SO impressed with the way Eddy and Nick both handled it. Being a male ally can sometimes be a delicate line to walk, because male voices are so often given priority that it can be tricky to find a way to voice support in a way that doesn't end up speaking *over* them. Sabrina's story doesn't need follow-up from people peripherally involved. This isn't a debate or a discussion. It's a roll call. And frankly, the number of absences on team Sabrina this far-out from everything coming out is *disgusting*. Every day they stay silent, the unspoken message becomes louder and louder.

[@faceofvision]

Jarvis supported Sabrina's twitch stream raising funds for victims. Idk if he has spoken more, but that's a big thing clearly showing which "side" he's on

[@renoodle5554]

While I understand your perspective here, as someone with a uterus who once had felt safe watching videos by Gus, Eddy, Danny, Jarvis, Nick, etc. *because* they'd all constantly center their feminism and respect for all genders in their approaches to content, the lack of public address sits really poorly with me. Gus Johnson was not just a guy who made funny videos, he was a guy who made funny videos that built off of a brand of caring, compassionate, and inclusive masculinity. That juxtaposed with his horrendous disdain and disregard for Sabrina puts a whole lot of that "brand" into question. I have personal concerns with how an entire commentary brand can be built off of... for lack of better words, men demonstrating basic compassion for others, because it turns what *should* be a lived practice into an image to maintain -- and for Gus, that was where it stopped. It makes me wonder as I watch the male commentators and creators I enjoyed, even sometimes when watching your videos, how much stock I can really hold in a man on the internet who ~seems~ like he'd care about the experiences, struggles, and humanity of people that aren't like him. It puts a bitter, sour taste in my mouth to watch other creators I love, who've claimed to stand for equity, equality, and compassion, quietly push past the issue and continue working. It frightens me, the idea that something as basic and simple as respect and compassion for others can just be an entertainer's mask. It frightens me further how there is so little public discussion particularly from the men who considered Gus their peer, and I am forced to wonder who else I can trust is presenting their compassion in good faith. Regardless, excellent video. Apologies for the rambling, this topic hits close to home.

[@KuncanDastner]

Don't apologize at all, you bring up really good points to consider and your perspective is really valuable here, thank you

[@daisie4505]

Your comment was perfectly said and I feel the same many times when a scandal comes out, always questioning who I can trust at all anymore. It's so sad that finding basic humanity (the bare minimum) is a rare thing and that when humanity is seen its praised by people saying "unproblematic" leading to huge disappointment and trust Issues to the people who watch ,making us think too hard on if our next favorite KZbinr is deceiving us, and sometimes that thought ,that even the best seeming people can be awful, bleeds into the real world too building that distrust. And I hate that it is that way that we treat being a good person as an accomplishment.

[@raining_trees]

Kurtis Conner lied about me on his podcast once, he called me an anti vaxxer and made fun of me for believing in God. I'm not famous he just responded to my comment from the previous episode. Ever since I just can't enjoy his videos like I used to :(

[@asparkof-light]

@@raining_trees what podcast episode was that? If you don’t mind. That’s a horrible thing to do and I want to see it as well.

[@erossore8500]

@@raining_trees oh geez): what episode?

[@brainrot5267]

Gus and his brother seem really ableist with these sketches honestly. They are absolutely jabs at Sabrina, but they’re also showing what they think of people whose illnesses and injuries aren’t visible on the outside. It’s fucked up.

[@blakebowers1692]

What has Sven done?

[@danafah9539]

@@blakebowers1692 watch this video again, he talks abt his latest sketch

[@blakebowers1692]

@@danafah9539 yeah still seems like a reach to put blame on Sven here

[@brainrot5267]

@@blakebowers1692 I don’t think so. It feels like he’s comparing internal illnesses to “a case of the Mondays,” like saying people who suffer from invisible-to-the-eye illnesses are being overdramatic. And to make such a similar sketch to his brother’s at this time?? It’s all incredibly tone-deaf and insensitive.

[@matte2495]

@@brainrot5267 I haven’t seen Sven’s original sketch, but I view it as the opposite. I think it is merely a sketch that derives its humor from the absurdity of the situation. Doctors referring to an extreme diagnosis which is life threatening as a “case of the Mondays” is simply an attempt to poke fun at a saying that everyone has heard at least once in their life. If you look at the rest of Sven’s sketches the absurdity and humor matches with that of his other videos.

[@magpie405]

this whole thing made me remember something in a new light. i used to self harm and one night it got out of hand, i was bleeding a lot and i was incredibly scared. i didn't know what to do so i called my (then) boyfriend, he complained that he would be sleepy at work tomorrow and he went back to sleep. i ended up going to the hospital alone, came home in the early morning and told no one.

[@jayk5969]

that’s disgusting, i’m really sorry to hear that happened to you. i hope things are better now. ♥️

[@magpie405]

@@jayk5969 things are so much better! thank you 💗

[@amabrand17]

I was a freshman when Gus was a senior at the same college. I didn't know him, only saw him in a production of Big Fish in October 2017. Other than that, as he got more popular each year, his name was a buzz on campus. Knowing nearly nothing about him, but only hearing positive things, this makes my heart so sad. Regardless this makes my heart so sad. I WAS a fan. No one deserves to be treated the way he treated her. Thank you for sharing this story! I've been trying to figure out what happened for days. I appreciate the way you go about this type of important conversation.

[@Mayonnaise420]

There’s something so disturbing about the way Gus is like, poking fun at this disgusting situation. And it’s not even the first time he’s done this because 2 years ago he posted a gender reveal skit WITH Sabrina, and it was made only a year after everything with her pregnancy went down. Like sure she agreed to partake in the sketch, but it’s still so strange the way he’s seemingly laughing at her trauma. The way he tries to keep up his good boy persona while performing skits making fun of the shit he put Sabrina through is genuinely disturbing.

[@piss7610]

No homo

[@wushiwashi]

Not to mention, there could be a chance Sabrina agreed because she didn't want to disappoint Gus or something else kinda like that

[@BostonMBrand]

I don't mean to get all tin foil hat, but when you watch a lot of videos they made together, specifically sketches dealing with their characters as a couple, it raises a lot of questions based on certain implications. Could be a coincidence, but I still find them to be uncomfortable to watch based on what we know happened around the time.

[@monhi64]

I couldn’t agree more with the angle about what the absolute fuck was Gus thinking with his “comeback” But I definitely have a theory, Sabrina said it herself he’s hyper focused on his career. So he’s purposely kept everything vague enough that so that anyone unaware couldn’t tell. Yet he’s such a piece of shit he wants to mock Sabrina to those aware of the situation. It would almost be smart if it wasn’t the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. I don’t understand how he thought that might work but yeah his response really sealed the deal here. I barely knew the guy but I don’t want to see him again.

[@monhi64]

Damn, I wrote this right before you touch on that in the video. It always bites me in the ass when I comment before the complete end. But glad we’re on the same page

[@sunanimoon]

i was a huge fan of gus. even met him on tour. me and my current partner really bonded over his content at the start of our relationship. but i could not support him after this. not as an AFAB person who has been dismissed by medical professionals the same as sabrina. not as someone who supports women. i can't pay gus' rent with my views and merch money. what troubles me the most is the kind of audience gus has now fostered in the wake of this. it is full of the very people gus always clowned on in the podcast and in his videos. hateful, spiteful, sexist, "cancel culture is toxic" dude bros, and it is frightening. the way gus is just okay with the way his fans talk about someone he used to date is beyond reproach. this was a really great video, and im glad someone is talking about it

[@landonlee691]

What afab?

[@sunanimoon]

@@landonlee691 stands for "assigned female at birth". i identify as nonbinary but issues of reproductive healthcare still concern me

[@BostonMBrand]

While I agree that it's troubling that Gus' current fanbase includes many of the types of people he makes fun of, it's not surprising. Just about every fandom has toxic members loyal to almost a cult level. The main problem that Kuncan makes light of is closure and nostalgia. Nostalgia is very blinding, and I think those fans of Gus are likely to not accept the truth simply because they have an emotional attachment to his content. They fear change so they can't accept that Gus is a horrible person. It always develops into an "Us Vs. Them" mentality. I think three great examples are the toxic Nostalgia Critic stans in response to Change the Channel, and some of the toxic fans in fanbases like the MCU or Star Wars.

[@PhiladelphiaChurchIL]

It’s great just minding your own business tho.

[@juliarhamy7491]

I was so upset and confused when I learned of all this. I was angry at some other commentary KZbinrs who didn’t address the situation, but after some introspection and watching this video, it helped me understand that its not my place to be mad. Thank you for being able to make a concise video on this subject. Wish you a happy new year!

[@heatherlee2967]

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[@Nublet864]

I feel like Gus is basically trying to dog whistle to his audience with his recent vid, so that those who do know the situation and still stand by Gus get the message that Sabrina is exaggerating what happened (according to him) and those in the dark stay in the dark.

[@Blueberrycaprice]

This is a really, really, really good way of putting it into words. That’s the vibe I got too, and Sven’s video seems similar.

[@Morgan-Wesley-Parker]

Boogie saying he can change or whatever doesn’t work here. It was such a specific situation that I highly doubt Gus will ever experience again. I’m glad you’re speaking on this. I really hate how no one is talking about this. Ethan Klein very briefly showed support for Sabrina on their podcast. I was really hoping for a long segment on it so that’s frustrating.

[@JosefinaQB]

its crazy how people were mad at him for downplaying someones life threatening illness and then he just continues to make skits about downplaying someones illness

[@chiaraantonj102]

Sven's video is not even there anymore......

[@kaylapearl5102]

I think its of note that with a browser addon to reveal dislikes, the ‘comeback’ video’s dislike ratio a few days after he posted was around 75% dislikes. I wouldn’t have known though if I hadn’t looked at the comments to realize something bad was going on, then added the extension to see the ratio. Up until now I didn’t know much of whats going on, so thank you for covering it.

[@SuperJollyRainbows]

What's the name of the browser add on?

[@iamwisepotato]

@@SuperJollyRainbows Return KZbin Dislike

[@jestenia590]

Not idolizing creators is definitely a good move but honestly, not having any investment in them beyond their work makes me quicker to drop them when they do something controversial. Not invested to see one person “learn and grow” when there’s tens of creators just as funny as them that haven’t screwed up in a public way.

[@justjulie1113]

"not investing in creators beyond their work" my $120 worth of Danny Gonzalez and drew Gooden merch in the corner of my room is screaming

[@sholem_bond]

I'm confused; it seems like the conceit of Sven's sketch is, "this person is clearly ill, but medical professionals continue to not take it seriously." That seems A) a pretty transparent reference to Sabrina's experience, but B) at least cautiously pro-Sabrina. Like, I don't know how else to take this in context except "this person is dying and medical professionals aren't taking it seriously." It seems like a pretty analogous situation to Sabrina's, and while it doesn't mention Gus (and his audio cameo is super sus), it seems implicitly pro-"person who is gravely ill and not being believed," rather than seeming as if the joke is on them for "faking it" or "overblowing it" (the way it was in Gus' sketch). I don't know how it can be interpreted as pro-Gus or anti-Sabrina. For the record, Sabrina's original video was also mostly about her medical issues and experience within the healthcare system, and her then-boyfriend was brought up sort of secondarily, along with some family members later in the video who she mentions also weren't supportive at the time/made her feel like she couldn't tell them what had happened. So Sven could be trying to dodge the issue of his brother's behavior by harkening back to that, so that he can support (or appear to publicly support) Sabrina without having to comment on Gus. That in and of itself isn't great, and I'm not trying to defend it, I'm just saying it seems pretty clearly like that's what he's doing. Also I have no idea why anyone would think Boogie2988 would have a productive take on this (I'm actually surprised it wasn't a lot more misogynistic). The dude has previously emotionally abused and manipulated at least one girlfriend, and he was a big fencesitter about GG.

[@sholem_bond]

Tbh I didn't even know a lot of these people like Nickisnotgreen had even collaborated with Gus. It really wasn't that frequent on their channels, and I never got the impression they were good friends with him. Their other commentary on misogynistic stuff seems to speak pretty well of them, inasmuch as we can ever know that. If even Eddy Burback wasn't aware of what was going on with Gus and Sabrina at the time, I doubt other KZbin commentators just collabing with him would have known.

[@sholem_bond]

I think what I've hopefully learned from the Gus Johnson situation (and to some extent, the John "I make Jew jokes about my wife but it's okay because I love her... wait no I don't" Mulaney situation) is that if a (cis*) man ever positions himself as being better than other guys, or not having internalized sexism/internalized misogyny to unlearn like other guys have, and makes that his brand... that's a red flag. (btw I'm literally transmasc, so if any other trans guys/transmascs want to arbitrate whether or not it's okay to specify "cis man/cis men" in statements like this, because potentially excluding trans men implies they're not fully men, but including them is inaccurate to transmasc people's/AFAB trans people's experience under patriarchy... may I suggest having that discourse anywhere as long as it's far away from me; this is why I don't ID as a binary trans man (it's not the only reason, but)).

[@golfwang8084]

@@sholem_bond wait wait… is John Mulaney bad now too?? I never heard about that 😭😭 also yeah, completely agree with all of your points. I feel like a lot of these men have forgotten how sexist the world still is and the impact it has on themselves. Like they don’t realize how fucked they are being. I hate it.

[@Idontlikecsharp]

Did Sven remove the Video? I saw it when it came out, but looking at his channel I cannot find it.

[@KuncanDastner]

I think he did? I can't find it either now

[@demerrara]

i watch an ungodly amount of commentary but i swear you're like the only creator that considers every angle of the things that these people do and call them on it. even in eddy burback's videos he frequently doesnt recognize blatant sexism and it truly leads me to believe he may be predisposed to not recognize it in his actual life

[@demerrara]

also depite his comment, nickisnotgreen has always given me slight bad vibes. just a bit off center.

[@eruiluvatar5701]

I saw your comments on the podcast all the time. I knew it was a matter of time before you took this topic on. Thank you for your valuable insight!

[@KuncanDastner]

man that podcast was my favorite. Those comments did not age well

[@eruiluvatar5701]

@@KuncanDastner Me too, but I should really change my profile pic haha. It's a memorial piece now ig. Anyways, yeah, sucks for literally everyone involved.

[@colleenthecat_]

@@KuncanDastner i literally have something i MADE to send to the podcast sitting in my room like... what am i supposed to do with it now... (i mean it was more of an eddy bit anyways but still)

[@soloheroina]

You don’t know someone until you know how they treat you at your lowest point. This is one of those cases where all of the worst sides of Gus were revealed through how he dealt with Sabrina’s lowest. He responded in one of the worst possible ways to Sabrina’s pain, and that is whats most scary to me. Women’s pain is soo ignored, and constantly downplayed by both doctors and people closest to us. The worst case scenario here isn’t the trauma, or Gus leaving youtube- its someones literal death. A risk of death that was amplified solely because Gus believed she was exaggerating her pain. I’m glad she’s okay, but this could have had a very different ending. Medical gaslighting is bad enough as it is, but doing that to your own girlfriend is unforgivable. Edit: I was a big fan of Gus before too, but I dont see him as the funny, empathetic guy he portrayed himself as.

[@soloheroina]

As a woman, this situation specifically makes me feel completely differently about him. Something about Gus joking about a deadly pregnancy that he partook in creating is so horrific to me. Imagine trusting someone enough be in an intimate relationship with them, and then being neglected when there are consequences, being left to deal with it on your own. Thats a nightmare.

[@landonlee691]

Naw this isn’t common This is a single person being a complete horrible person. And thats more than made up for chase we have our own Medicare and our own female only hospitals

[@tropezando]

As a kid, I was abused by some of my family members. When I told my mom of this, she believed me, but said nothing to them, and did not change her behavior towards them. As you can imagine, this greatly affected my trust in her. The fact is, it is impossible to remain neutral or remove yourself from a situation once you have learned about it without sending the message that you condone the heinous actions of the person you refuse to speak against. I bring this up because I think this is why people are looking to friends and collaborators of Gus to take a stance on his actions. It isn't about "getting their take" as you phrased it - not a consume content thing. It's a matter of making sure they aren't *also* assholes and we, as an audience, aren't wasting our time, being manipulated, and giving fame/fortune to shitty or shitty-enabling people.

[@jasmine-ruff-puff9951]

That's a great way to put it. ❤️

[@leolong2984]

This is totally fair! I think Eddy and Nickisnotgreen did it in very solid ways. They announced they were distancing themselves and then moved on without using the situations as clout-chasing opportunity. I do believe that we should be mindful of pining for "takes" from famous people, but I strongly agree that there is a difference between "oh give me your take so I can know what to think" and "oh give me your take so I know what you think and can then decide whether or not to support you". Eddy earned a lot of my respect for the way he handled things, it means a lot to people

[@maevem316]

I mean, the thing is Gus wasn't abusive to his audience, he was abusive to Sabrina. If she wants to ask for people who have worked with him in the past to denounce him, that's totally her prerogative, but it's really not the same as these peoples' audiences feeling like they personally need to be informed of this, you know?

[@leolong2984]

@@maevem316 I get your logic but think of it this way. Audiences have only their support, and so to help a creator they like, they want to know how to "spend" that valuable resource. It doesn't have to be a fully fledged denouncing, just some action that shows they are distancing from the creator if they had some past connection. It's nuanced of course! This is why I disagree with ppl who think every single person should be giving their take, because it doesn't help anything in my opinion. But someone like Eddy Burback? They were a famous comedy duo, and people want to know if supporting eddy will be harmful or not to Sabrina. It's not retribution because we feel like we've been wronged, we just want to be conscientious regarding who we support rather than passively watching people who are potentially complicit in cases of domestic abuse. Hope I cleared the air there, but then again this is only my perspective/mo, can't speak for op or anyone else definitively I guess, only myself Edits: Grammar fixes cause am dumb

[@daisie4505]

While I totally agree , I have seen some comments of people being specific because they are not satisfied with them simply saying they don't associate with him anymore and saying they want them to do a vid on their main channel. I totally think the same as you and feel people still need to be open and say simply if they are friends anymore because if they were , that would make me question their character and not support them