The Hell Labyrinth AKA How The PCs Caused An Apocalypse | Narrated D&D Story

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@asilnorahc8910
@asilnorahc8910 3 жыл бұрын
This is one hell of a story - and the fact that it has been enacted and created by the players makes it all the better as the background to new adventures. Brilliant.
@thecrazycatman3782
@thecrazycatman3782 3 жыл бұрын
9l
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
It was so fun to introduce the world with a mix of new players and old! It was quite entertaining to see the veterans of my campaigns slowly realize where exactly they were when they crossed the lands that became called The Great Waste to come to the Labyrinth.
@darklord884
@darklord884 3 жыл бұрын
Players: *ignore obvious evil cult and decide to enact a guerilla war on a small noble* Also players: "Uh, wait, why is the world ending all of a sudden?"
@SaltpeterTaffy
@SaltpeterTaffy 3 жыл бұрын
You know the DM is good when the story's ending is the best part.
@equ1noxii599
@equ1noxii599 3 жыл бұрын
Ong
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
It was the only time everyone was paying attention to me at the table. No phones out. Nobody looking at character sheets. Just everyone raptly listening as I described the sequel hook.
@AschaVovina
@AschaVovina 3 жыл бұрын
And then the new adventurers find the Ranger still alive - or undead as a Revenant - after countless aeons, sustained by vengeful rage and hatred towards the devils. But is he a friend, or is he so far gone that he attempts to rip and tear all those who cross his path?
@TheShananagan
@TheShananagan 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yes
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
oooo, that sounds like an epic potential touch.
@SaltpeterTaffy
@SaltpeterTaffy 3 жыл бұрын
That was my headcanon the instant the story ended without mention of his death.
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
@@SaltpeterTaffy lol, nice
@BYERE
@BYERE 3 жыл бұрын
A seemingly immortal being, with a severe hatred for demons and other hellspawn, who rips and tears his way through any that stand in his way? Does he perchance carry a steel-barrelled "sword" of vengeance?
@thomasbellfield8020
@thomasbellfield8020 2 жыл бұрын
Such an interesting cast of characters, and an incredibly well written story with bloodshed and hope, one of my favourite stories
@MALS010
@MALS010 2 жыл бұрын
This is hands down one of my favorite stories on the channel. I love that the party were given many reminders to focus on the greater evil instead of evil. I love that when issuing the consequence of not prioritizing the true threat the dm made them live with it and try to fix it instead of just going "The world is ending, GAME OVER!" I especially love that the campaign ending opened up the possibility for many more campaigns in that world.
@fearmusrozenrot1864
@fearmusrozenrot1864 3 жыл бұрын
Always nice to hear of a campaign where the players actions and flaws have impact, and even ran a few campaigns where that was the case. But gotta admit, I've /never/ seen a campaign where the impact was on this scale. And honestly...now I kinda wanna run one with the risk, and see if my players fall for the same mistakes.
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
The only reason is became on this scale is because of the cleric player. She was a DM before as well so when the party screwed up and fled into the kingdom to the west we took a break. She and I hung outside and had a few beers when she jokingly pitched the idea. She basically joked "Well what if we could like, lock the portal up or something? Like I know it'd be hard but I don't want to just run away," I took the idea and ran with it and feverishly wrote for a few nights and pitched the campaign to them. They were down. We time skipped a few times during down times or after major victories between offensives. The cleric also was the one who came up with the idea to sacrifice herself to secure the Labyrinth, I'd had them all write a page about their own epilogue and tried to weave it into the story. It worked out quite well I think.
@Yoxiv
@Yoxiv 3 жыл бұрын
I can see the Ranger becoming some kind of haggard, restless entity, barely the mortal he once was, but still as ruthless and crazily efficient in his pursuit of demon slaying. Perhaps he's saved by the spirit of his lost love, either having to be put down by the party, or having his mind restored through their help.
@richardd3367
@richardd3367 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps her Ghost enters and sustains his body!
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
So headcanon whatever you want with the ranger and if you include him in a campaign let me know! But the official part of his story so far with the blessing of his former player is that he made a pact with a celestial that halted his aging and gave him a few minor holy powers and he has used that to great effect in slaying devils. He's been pretty good at pitting different factions against each other and has actually killed more by stirring conflict than he as by physically slaying them. So if you want a mysterious stranger who helps you out if you get trapped in the nine hells the ranger can absolutely be your guy and me and his former player absolutely encourage it!
@GrayBeans
@GrayBeans 2 жыл бұрын
Okay but like, I think this is genuinely a better story than just stopping it imagine what this DM had to come up with on the fly.
@commanderkit-kat9314
@commanderkit-kat9314 3 жыл бұрын
This absolutely sounds similar to the Fable 3 endgame. Lawful Evil noble ripping apart his country and people in order to try and stop the greater threat while the player(s) undermine their efforts until they find the real threat
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
You know I never thought about it that way but it kinda was! My particular inspiration in writing this campaign was actually Dead Space 2 and the unitologists.
@commanderkit-kat9314
@commanderkit-kat9314 Ай бұрын
@@SirBladewind Niiice. Good Inspiration!
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
@commanderkit-kat9314 I know right? I made the Black Sun cultists a little more affable than the unitologists. More like evil Shintoists more than evil Scientologists.
@Mgauge
@Mgauge 3 жыл бұрын
A party ending the world through their arrogance and naive inability to see beyond their immediate emotions is a nice way to remind players that the world doesn’t just stop when they lose interest in part of it. That it became backstory for a new adventure is a very clever twist.
@cmykrgb1469
@cmykrgb1469 3 жыл бұрын
I'm recently learning about Berserk (rip, Kentaro) and so, so much of this echoes The Struggler's Journey as the demonic horde is beaten back to their source. WOW, that is good.
@csoul725
@csoul725 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that is what happens when you go after the smaller evil instead of the greater one.
@morgantaylor84
@morgantaylor84 3 жыл бұрын
He's not even evil per say, just ruthless as hell.
@chaos4654
@chaos4654 3 жыл бұрын
That's the funny thing isn't it? The big picture types more often then not, likely can see the scale of a global threat in their minds and designate everything else as lesser. importance. The other guy probably can't even fathom closing gates on people seeking shelter in an already crowded city.
@brandontucker6958
@brandontucker6958 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention after the apocalypse started they literally started doing exactly what the noble was doing as soon as it was an option. Force people into helping, if they don't help towards the greater good then they are a hindrance that must be dealt with.
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
Hey everyone! I'm the DM from this campaign! I'm glad you all like it! Me and the players were very proud of this one but it was very exhausting campaign! The great caging was actually inspired by the cleric player. She suggested that idea over a beer outside during our break and it utterly inspired me. I wrote feverishly for several sleepless nights and then presented the idea to the players of a great war to save the world. They loved it and the campaign began. It was brutal, a lot of inspiration from LOTR and Saving Private Ryan. Lots of battle lines drawn and soldiers dying for their brothers and sisters in arms. The twin elves were also twins in real life. They were fun players. The death of the noble's daughter was unplanned. Everyone failed every single hit on the devil and the ac was quite low so it was just pure bad luck that she got killed. The players were cool with it though, more emotional investment. It was an amazing time but we were so emotionally worn out by the end that our next half dozen or so campaigns were just simple adventures, like a pirate adventure with treasure hidden on a floating island. Its the best campaign I've ever done and nothing has compared since.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 3 жыл бұрын
YIRBEL LIVES! Ohh Lovely! The ability of a party to overlook the main threats of a campaign for side grudges never fails to warm my heart. Hardly a fan of utilitarianism anyway. I would’ve kept sword fighting that noble as the black sun belched out horrors just to spite him all the more.
@Nyghtking
@Nyghtking 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, the party forgot that while the noble was a more immediate concern he wasn't going to destroy the world if left alone and therefore didn't matter in the long run, they ignored the world ending threat to deal with a non-concern.
@mareczek00713
@mareczek00713 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nyghtking Not to mention dude sacrificed himself for them after they destroyed his lands and plans, took away his daughter and got her killed and even allowed ranger who he should hate most to go. IMO party was chaotic stupid while noble was lawful good except "lawful good" in a land populated mostly by people either evil or usefully idiotic might take the form of "general good with gloves off in matters of saving the world" where stopping the apocalypse is the ultimate law over "lawful stupid pally".
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
@@mareczek00713 Nah, as I said elsewhere, 'necessary' does not mean 'good.' Fighting evil does not make you automatically good.
@morgantaylor84
@morgantaylor84 3 жыл бұрын
@@willparry530 Yes, and ruthless methodology doesn't automatically make you evil either. What the OP thinks of as a tyrant isn't a tyrant, but a social counter-culture ruler in a world culture where helping the evil group attempting to destroy the world is the norm. I would honestly say the noble was probably Lawful Neutral and was only seen as evil from the party's perspective, but wasn't actually evil. Edit: It is of course very Human to do something like this though. Look at Fossil Fuels vs Nuclear Power in our real world. Nuclear Power kills on average 1/4th of the people per year that Fossil Fuels do, but Fossil Fuels cause slower and more insidious deaths through complications with respiratory illnesses. Where most of the deaths from Nuclear Power came from the TWO major accidents. So Nuclear Power is seen as more dangerous despite statistically being way less of a threat.
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
@@morgantaylor84 This is not the real world, this is DnD. And killing children is an inherently _evil_ act. The DM outright stated the noble killed children. His ruthlessness led him to commit evil acts and you are going to sit there and tell me he's _not_ evil? Lesser evil, sure, because his actions are not going to start the apocalypse, but he is evil, no ifs, ands, or buts.
@letsplaysvonaja1714
@letsplaysvonaja1714 3 жыл бұрын
...I'm on the noble's side Killing the woman was the most efficient solution Now you could probably argue that he should have the means to protect her until the time limit is over, but that has quite the risk involved
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
efficient isn't the same as good, though, and it wasn't just that one death that turned them against him. He took his actions way too far. A lesser evil is still evil.
@DemonKing19951
@DemonKing19951 3 жыл бұрын
Eh he could have LOOKED into other options at least.
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim 3 жыл бұрын
@@willparry530 When you have two choices, one aiding a great evil and one aiding a lesser evil, is it better to side with the Lesser evil or the greater one? In the end, the party nearly Ended the world because they were hung up on a Noble who was on their side but objected to his methods.
@SaltpeterTaffy
@SaltpeterTaffy 3 жыл бұрын
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim If the noble had been Veetor, that world would've been screwed.
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim That doesn't change anything about what I said. He was in no way any kind of _good._ The lesser evil is still evil. Should they have prioritized the apocalypse? Yes. But the noble absolutely deserved a reckoning once the cult was handled.
@Ariescz
@Ariescz 3 жыл бұрын
Truly a masterclass in storytelling and worldbuilding
@soldier660
@soldier660 3 жыл бұрын
This as very good, thanks ^^ !!! Also classic lesson of not let too much emotions decide for you.
@gameover40567
@gameover40567 3 жыл бұрын
How would one even run something so epic and world ending....it blows my mind!
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
It was incredibly emotionally draining for all of us involved. We did dumb one shots and silly campaigns for awhile because we needed the break. Like we were *into* this campaign. Texting back and forth every day. I was writing between classes. It consumed our lives for months. Wouldn't trade it for the world though.
@pavelZhd
@pavelZhd 3 жыл бұрын
The way the story is written here, is awesome. Cool buildup towards the darkest hour, and then perseverance through massive sacrifice. However when I imagine how those events transpired at the table, I just can't help but see a DM super frustrated by players over focusing on his "antihero" noble NPC and ignoring his obvious clues that they should follow the main plot. So frustrated in fact that he threw the abocalypse at them almost like "rocks fall" and all the events past the mirror are an epilogue, where the DM dismissed the campaign and used players' characters to fix the world... Most likely only when he got the idea on this "death maze" type adventure and tinkered this broken world to include it.
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
Nah I wasn't mad. I actually had originally figured they'd have to flee the entire plane but once the cleric player and I shared a beer and she joked about the idea I decided a completely different direction for the story to go and wrote feverishly for days to make the story you see before you.
@tsunamirojomajore1762
@tsunamirojomajore1762 3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic story. So many adventures can be built around that.
@maxgeckos
@maxgeckos 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh, that was great setup for 2nd campaign
@SolstaceWinters
@SolstaceWinters 3 жыл бұрын
POV: When you decide to do all the side quests before continuing on with the main story.
@amitamaru
@amitamaru 3 жыл бұрын
Black hole sun, won't you come, and fade away.
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
That's precisely the song I was listening to when I wrote it! Love me some Soundgarden!
@ARokPheonix
@ARokPheonix 2 жыл бұрын
This one puts tears in my eyes. Its amazing
@enderknight9279
@enderknight9279 3 жыл бұрын
This is great, but we need more of the stories like the one with the lizardman noble killer or the necromancer city.
@pcity15pheenom
@pcity15pheenom 3 жыл бұрын
I like the story. This is my synopsis however, chime in as you feel. The party made the mistake of going after the noble rather than focusing their attention on the cultists. True, the noble wasn't exactly a good guy, but he was fighting a cultist too the best plan would have been to at least for the time being work together on combating the threat and stopping them. They just decided to start an outright Revolution against this guy for killing the woman that was meant to be the ritual sacrifice when they could have saved her. And as for her, if she was the key to the ritual and bound magically, could they not have simply dispelled the magic or at the very least removed the curse of the magic that was linking her to the ritual? Or at the very least find more information about the ritual and how to destroy it? I feel like had they done that and then utterly broken the cultists having foiled their plans, then they could have their revolution planned against the noble
@lkriticos7619
@lkriticos7619 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@thecinnamonguy5127
@thecinnamonguy5127 3 жыл бұрын
Wow one mistake almost ended the world. The DM gave them multiple chances only for the players to not really care about the big issue. Brilliant
@thegreatcanadianweasel9928
@thegreatcanadianweasel9928 3 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping the daughter would turn against them and be a leader in the cult, but her getting killed was also a great story telling note. The party was definitely stupid. The noble was evil, people keep focusing on that one girl sacrifice, but forget the whole: he basically ha a purge on families of the cultists killing probably hundreds if not thousands of people whose only crime may have been having a brother who was part of one of the largest cults in the land. Still while I don't agree with his methods on that part, I agree with him taking the hard actions like killing the sacrifice girl. The party going after him for that rather than the hundreds of innocents he killed before really brings to mind the quote "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." (which Unfortunately was by a tyrant similar to the noble)
@christopherbravo1813
@christopherbravo1813 2 жыл бұрын
I mentally facepalmed-*repeatedly*-at the party's decision to go to war with a potential ally over the death of *one woman.*
@Darluk
@Darluk 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the greatest stories come from players failing forward. Glad to see it still happening.
@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062
@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 3 жыл бұрын
That's a solid dm
@Leemon692
@Leemon692 2 жыл бұрын
The ranger was the Doom Slayer and the Noble was Count Dooku.
@kiritokazuto4383
@kiritokazuto4383 3 жыл бұрын
Love this Seems like a good way to start a campaign Need to find a good dm... Maybe I'll download discord again
@dakotalange2858
@dakotalange2858 3 жыл бұрын
Epic story!
@WorldWalker128
@WorldWalker128 3 жыл бұрын
The noble's methods were evil, but I agree they were necessary. These players were so short-sighted it's sad. I have to wonder with that in mind, was he DMing for teenagers? They're not stupid, but they're too emotionally-passionate and made the mistake of letting their emotions think for them which is something that teens often do.
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
Nope! All college students. All of us were going to university together and these campaigns were ran from Friday through the weekend for most of a year!
@360entertainment2
@360entertainment2 3 жыл бұрын
This is a superb story, glad you read it for us! Edit: I just want to add I love the graphic for this episode, I’m always a fan of a good sword fight being recognized!
@shishoka
@shishoka 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting addition to this would be the actions of the party increasing the popularity of the cult as distant towns result in rumors and stories being combined with the stories about the cult. Cultists begin using the same tactics as the party; cultists and sympathizers offering aid as they assume the party is part of the cult. Maybe the party even begins to doubt what the cult is.
@knighttemplaroftentacult7123
@knighttemplaroftentacult7123 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes to fight Evil you should bring another Evil. That's why this noble was right ALL ALONG. They could just swallow their pride for a second and save it all. But I guess it will always be a Superman vs Batman sides of morality in players. One is a police poster boy, while other is Punisher. And I am all for Punisher.
@richardd3367
@richardd3367 2 жыл бұрын
I understand the comparison, certainly Supes sees Bats that way, but Batman prefers--in most versions--NOT to kill, while killing is Punisher's go-to method.
@ChaoticCaveman
@ChaoticCaveman 3 жыл бұрын
That was amazing
@warwolf3005
@warwolf3005 3 жыл бұрын
Do you feel like a hero yet?
@dmcclintock1457
@dmcclintock1457 3 жыл бұрын
Dang that was a good story.
@osiristheexile5457
@osiristheexile5457 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing simply amazing…
@lettmien218
@lettmien218 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing I love it.
@confusedlemur12
@confusedlemur12 3 жыл бұрын
Ya know, i'm reading the comments after watching the video and... wtf is wrong with most of you? At worst the noble was... chaotic good... not just fucking evil?!?!?! Then ENTIRE WORLD is on a time limit, having a single person linked to a possible world ending event that has a chance to happen over the course of months is in insane risk, one that was swiftly and efficiently handled by the noble. "Oh but he sent militia out against the party!! oooo" the same party which were commiting robin hood fairy tale in light of a fucking apocolypse??? Hell the man cried for his dying daughter when she was ripped apart, showed the party the mirror and left them to HOPEFULLY SAVE THE WORLD THAT THEY DAMNED CAUSE IN LIGHT OF ALL THE FUCK UPS HE KNEW THEY WERE THE WORLDS BEST CHANCE AT SURVIVAL AND MADE A LAST STAND AGAINST THE FUCKING HORDE ITSELF!!!! Honestly some people in this comment section i'd believe would stair at the trollu puzzle and refuse to take actions cause they don't want to ve responsible for one persons death as oppose to just watching four get ran the fuck over
@mac-gyver1152
@mac-gyver1152 2 жыл бұрын
All that for the greatest world seating
@thepizzaman6310
@thepizzaman6310 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else getting big Stellaris crisis vibes from this? Every country putting aside their differences to wage war against an invading apocalyptic force, eventually pushing it back and destroying it.
@masonray9881
@masonray9881 3 жыл бұрын
That sure is a comically oversized rapier
@whatsagoodusername823
@whatsagoodusername823 3 жыл бұрын
الگورتھم کے لئے ایک
@pcity15pheenom
@pcity15pheenom 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit..
@JosephFamilo-Trainer
@JosephFamilo-Trainer 11 ай бұрын
your animated picture of yourself looks oddly like Jack Sullivan from The Last Kids On Earth. 8-B
@jimbeam7636
@jimbeam7636 3 жыл бұрын
Noice top 5 commenters.
@davidotoole2853
@davidotoole2853 3 жыл бұрын
The only issue I have with this is that you didn’t read it like you read the Astoshan series
@TheNoMoreGamer
@TheNoMoreGamer 3 жыл бұрын
Okay, in defense of this party, what a terrible way to set this all up. “You guys couldn’t come to a decision so I just merc the girl.” If I’m to believe that this just happened with no warning whatsoever then that’s shit. Of course a party is gonna be angry at someone who not only killed an innocent, but took the choice of what to do from the party. It’s a grand story but it started from a pretty terrible decision. I’d like to hear the full story and know if the DM hinted he was gonna kill her or not.
@richardd3367
@richardd3367 2 жыл бұрын
Because all bad guys obviously broadcast all their plans and intentions. Ever seen a show where that *didn't* happen? There are some, and then the heroes have to be *smart*. (It's also been done that a villain "monologues" his whole plan, then it turns out that whole thing was a lie. 'What, me, a villain, tell a lie? Perish the thought." [attitude not direct quote]) Now I *am* wondering about that scene from the game-mechanic standpoint; many sytems would allow player initiative or something to interrupt the villain's action. But maybe that happened and the players' rolls weren't good enough, so what we hear doesn't include it because suddenly inserting a game mechanic would have disrupted the flow of storytelling.
@TheNoMoreGamer
@TheNoMoreGamer 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardd3367 I get it, but this isn't a grand production, this is a couple of people sitting around a table playing DnD. I feel like it's a lousy thing to do to a group if they've been planning too long and the DM says "Okay bad guy kill victim" without any chance for the players to react. Even a hint, like the DM saying "The villian draws his weapon and walks over to the hostage", giving them an opening to be like "oh shit, time to deal with the immediate problem". If the latter were true, and from a mechanic standpoint they were given a chance to stop the bad guy, then that's fine, but if the situation was "You took too long, he kills the girl" with nothing in between I wouldn't call that a good DM moment.
@richardd3367
@richardd3367 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNoMoreGamer I agree; even having him fidget with obvious uncreasing impatience...which come to think of it would fit this perfectly--he's not a threat yet, put off dealing with him, just like the Black sun, even though the signs are obviously building...
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
He was getting steadily more exasperated as the argument went on. He'd suggested a few ideas that they shot down, like imprisoning her for the year or whatever so he finally made the executive decision and killed her. It was the most expedient solution and he had his people to look after, after all. I mean come on, he didn't want something awful to happen like a hell invasion and his daughter getting her throat torn out by a devil or something far fetched like that. 😅
@thundercatgames4123
@thundercatgames4123 3 жыл бұрын
first one
@Firearm65
@Firearm65 3 жыл бұрын
I really love the worldbuilding and lore behind this story, but I’m struggling to enjoy the whole “party failed the world and the apocalypse is their fault” bit. Making hard choices and necessary sacrifices is one thing, but the noble seemed to be brainless in his approach. Of course peasants and adventurers are going to revolt if you act poorly to them and seek immediate results with no possible alternatives. At some point, if you sacrifice all humanity for practicality, then you’re not acting practically, because people will simply refuse to work with you and get shit done. Idk, the players really dropped the ball by considering this guy a prime threat over literal fiends, but I feel some responsibility lays on his shoulders. You have to know when necessary evils are necessary, but you also need to know when the most straightforward option simply won’t work
@SirBladewind
@SirBladewind Ай бұрын
Well what wasn't helping his cause was the Black Sun cult fueling dissent. This was practically the best gift they could've gotten. Their most ardent enemy being tied up in a civil struggle freed their hands. So of course they fuelled negative talk of the noble as much as they could. This was ALSO telegraphed to the party in various ways but they didn't pay attention.
@HestiaVesta
@HestiaVesta 3 жыл бұрын
I kind of blame the noble if he hadn't killed her then Thune ritual wouldn't have been completed that whole special knife thing was more likely a blog so someone like the noble will kill her. I know easy enough to say in hindsight but still they were not going to inherently kill her and probably wouldn't have if the noble didn't skip straight to the murder
@baddragon7057
@baddragon7057 3 жыл бұрын
No the noble was right
@HestiaVesta
@HestiaVesta 3 жыл бұрын
@@baddragon7057 how? I know he continued hunting the cult unlike them but I'm fairly sure he did their work for him that day because he couldn't careless anout livies or little things like a cult member lying to get their ambitions fulfilled.
@Ariescz
@Ariescz 3 жыл бұрын
The cultists were pretty ready to kill her to let the demon in before the party stopped them.
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim 3 жыл бұрын
@@HestiaVesta He didn't. The Party helped the Cult by being hung up by the Noble. The Noble had disrupted the specific ritual being done when he killed the woman who was supposed to be sacrificed by not using a cultists specific dagger. Otherwise, the woman would have been turned into a demon right then and there.
@mareczek00713
@mareczek00713 3 жыл бұрын
Lawful evil for spoiling the ritual the hard way and getting rid of cultists, "good" party defends the cultist by choosing to fight the noble instead of trying to mitigate brutalityof his actions and actually fight the apocalypse while the noble whose fiefdom they destroyed, daughter kidnapped and plans spoiled sacrifices himself saving them after they beaten him in battle. Sorry to break it to you but it looks like the noble was lawful good commiting hard acts aa "lawful" part of his character demanded saving the world was the priority while party was chaotic stupid going into a Robin Hood Merry Men spiel in face of apocalypse...
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
No, I would not classify him as good considering he murdered plenty of people not involved in the cult. 'Necessary' does not mean 'good.' At best he was lawful neutral.
@alexandraelizabeth8522
@alexandraelizabeth8522 3 жыл бұрын
The good party never defended the cult, they simply fought against what seemed to be the greater evil. The noble was evil and foolish, diplomacy would have been easy to initiate to get the party to work with him. He was a bad leader and a bad person and is more than half responsible for what came to be.
@faselfasel2864
@faselfasel2864 3 жыл бұрын
The noble made no attempt to resolve the situation without commiting murder. Lawful evil is the correct alignment for that . Failing to prioritize enemies correctly is not a good/evil thing though. It's a smart/dumb thing :)
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
@@faselfasel2864 indeed
@mareczek00713
@mareczek00713 3 жыл бұрын
@@faselfasel2864 Except the noble acted correctly - if everything is set up so that the only step is a kill with a special knife occuring someday (otherwise beating the cultists up to interrupt the ritual would already have the issue solved) you can either protect the girl for her entire life when one cultist getting lucky, even in a kamikaze attack where said cultist would suffer fatal injuries during the attack, literally starts the end of the world, or you can take away possibility of killing her with said knife killing her in a different matter. Anyway, girl's life would be hell with constant threat of cultist attack where any semblence of freedom puts entire world at risk while decapitation is a quick end with minimal amount of pain death can induce being fast enough for her to not manage to be afraid (while having to listen to the pcs discussing merits of murdering and sparing her would be additional torture). You can literally make a viable point towards describing noble's act as a mercy kill...
@benballard5930
@benballard5930 3 жыл бұрын
Why did they build a labyrinth instead of just walling the area off?
@Ariescz
@Ariescz 3 жыл бұрын
Presumably a simple wall, even warded and consecrated, could eventually be breached by endless hordes of demons throwing themselves against it. Putting up several walls and seemingly offering a path kills of much more of the demons.
@willparry530
@willparry530 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ariescz this, yes. Plus putting in a labyrinth allows them to put in tons more traps.
@willparry530
@willparry530 2 жыл бұрын
@P Ciprian that's why you enchant the walls. They put the effort to build the labyrinth and make breaking out difficult, you really think they wouldn't put tons of enchantments on _all_ the walls? So they might actually invoke more traps, plus, demons tend to not be that organized, in this setting.
@alexandraelizabeth8522
@alexandraelizabeth8522 3 жыл бұрын
All but my chaotic evil characters would have fought the psychotically evil noble. Why did the noble want the apocalypse to happen? He is more than half responsible for this.
@austinharris7337
@austinharris7337 3 жыл бұрын
The noble fought the cultists. The party objected to his brutal methods. The noble is honestly the most blameless one here.
@lynxk9372
@lynxk9372 3 жыл бұрын
Did you even listen? The first sentence was "the noble is kinda evil but still against the cultists"
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