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We tend to think of religions as monoliths, especially if it's one we're not familiar with. If you've gone through a basic world history class in the US you're probably familiar with the basic division within Islam between Sunnis and Shia, even if you're not exactly sure what the differences are. However, within each there are numerous sub-sects teaching wildly different things. In this video I give a brief history of the early schisms within the Shia branch of Islam, and the importance of their central figure, the Imam.
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[@syed61475]

Shia rejected the Caliphate from Day 1, not after Karbala. Karbala simply codified the schism

[@Loyalsurly]

Shia rejected the caliphate that was decided upon by a few group of men who were ready to kill each other.

[@HikmaHistory]

Well-researched and engaging presentation - glad to have collabed with you!

[@bradleyyael6853]

pro tip : watch movies at Flixzone. I've been using them for watching all kinds of movies these days.

[@deangeloadam6680]

@Bradley Yael yea, I've been watching on Flixzone} for months myself =)

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

not really there were errors he took a bias narrative an anti shia one. I think the shia know their own history better than non shia.

[@AncientAccounts]

I need to get myself a desk and bookshelf like that, honestly looks so good

[@CasualHistorian]

The desk is home made, but the book shelves are cheap ones from Walmart, but so long as they are wood colored they punch above their price.

[@007kash007]

@@CasualHistorian Maybe one day go through some of your favourite books?

[@4Clubs]

Thank you for your videos, these are all very educational. God bless you.

[@Just_Ben]

Spot on research on this particular subject. Well done

[@SwampNiggaVideos]

EPIC!!! I just caught up on all of your Islamic history vids!

[@syedmahdi1473]

There is way more detail to this, this is a very fast summary which is not detailed, Shia Islam is based off of details and little things that make the most difference. For example imam hussain didn’t challenge yazid, he was called upon by yazid to give his bait (vote) to him but imam refused to give his vote to someone who neglected Islam and its meaning.

[@hussainsultanzada6123]

@عابر السبيل he was a myth

[@umeryousuf7341]

@@hussainsultanzada6123 just like the whole shia sect.

[@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on]

@@umeryousuf7341 may Allahs punishment befell upon those who taught u this stuff ... THIS LIES ... OR those from whom u listened this stupid stuff

[@umeryousuf7341]

@@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on I learnt it from the Quran and prophet Muhammad SAW, so the curse returns back to you Insha Allah

[@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on]

@@umeryousuf7341 inshalkah u will know whose the truth and whose false and don't attribute what u listened from ur foolish liar bearded fools to the holy prophet or the holy Quran

[@printmedia1422]

A good thread on a subject vital to human conversation in divine dialogues

[@mglaze13]

This is by far the best video available on KZbin on the subject. Thank you!

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

You haven't watched much videos then there are far better actually more accurate than this. It has few errors

[@syed61475]

That’s pretty sad. This is full of errors and very basic content.

[@ALI-om2re]

One major theory has gone into Shia twelver. That is when these other names were mentioned and rumored to be Imam, it was to protect the actual Imam from the ruling party who were oppressors. We see this in the case of Imam Ali bin Hussain and Muhammad Haniffiya, Muhammad Haniffiya died on the bait of Imam Ali bin Hussain and abandon the claim to Imamat . Imam Sadiq and Ismail, Ismail never actually claimed to be Imam but was always seen with Imam Jafar sadiq for that to be the implication for his eldest son. Also Zaid bin Ali also never claimed to be an Imam and was well respected and praised by their supposed opponent Imam, Mohammed Baqir and Imam Sadiq , Zaid bin Ali was never treated as an opponent (these are later claims by his sons and followers). So in essence these other non-twelever Imams were used to protect the actual Imam(as). Now in the case of waqafia, they started saying the Imam is in ghayib, based on the teaching of ghaybat from the teaching of 5th and 6th Imam, who’s they? They were 7th Imams (as) tax collectors and had compiled much money and didn’t want to give it up. This is also substantiated. This is the actual reason why twelevers out performed the spread of these other “Shia sects”. protecting the actual Imam, it took the entire network of Banu Hashim to do so.

[@ALI-om2re]

We also find a similar example with Abu Talib not professing his eman. All thou he was a believer he would try to be a middle man with the rest of Qurash, which he was able to accomplish by mot professing his faith and looked as an elder rather then a believer . However His-story (history) says he never believed in Islam but his lineage disagrees. This is such a deep topic…

[@zaidatimash713]

@@ALI-om2re jazaka Allah khair for this clarification. As a Shia this video left out a lot of details and got a lot of things wrong from our perspective and it’s nice to see some of the misconceptions being cleared up a little more in the comments.

[@ALI-om2re]

@@zaidatimash713 Some of these historians don’t know how underground the Imams (as) and the Shias were functioning, one wrong move and it was off with their necks. No ifs or buts about it.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

There are so many errors in this you said Hassan didn't challenge Muawiya that isn't true he was ready to fight against him. His army actually did fight off Muawiya army. Some Sunni recogise Imam Hassan as the 5th Caliph. They didn't do the peace treaty until after he was betrayed by his own army. some had been bribed by Muawiya & deserted him or switched sides. There was an assassination attempt from someone in his own army. I get you were doing summary but you can do that without it being misleading one imam chose to fight and the other didn't. Wasn't like that at all. You should have said ultimately Imam Hassan was betrayed by his own army who desserted him. He had little choice but to do a peace treaty. As for Imam Hussain raising against Yazeed that is a false narrative used by supporters of Yazeed to justify his brutal massacre. Lets use common sense if he was rising against Yazeed would have took an army with him but he took his family & few supporters. Even Charles Dickens a non muslim can see this so not sure why you couldn't use that logic. Also let take Imam Hussain own words why he refused to give allegience. Yazeed was far worse than his father he was open in his disbelief. Being slaughtered for not giving allegience and rising against the leader are two different things. Yes Kufians offered to support him but betrayed him and he never got there. He knew he wouldn't as Prophet have prophesised he would be killed in karbala is very well known. He was offered an army in Yemen why didn't he go there? He clearly didn't plan to topple Yazeed he made a moral stand in refusing allegience. Also you said the follower of Ali were know after karbala. That is not true at all. We had terms like shia of Muawiya and the shia of Ali in his lifetime. It might have carried different meanings to different people but even in the lifetime of the prophet he used the term of shia of Ali for his true followers not the political ones. I have only watched the start. If I watched more there be more errors you need to be careful on the sources you are taking from. As mentioned all your sources were non shia. If you think Momen was a shia no he wasn't he was Baha'i he got things wrong in his book even a layman can spot. Would it hurt you have used one shia scholarly work to actually know the shia side from a shi'i

[@Loyalsurly]

well said akhi

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@Loyalsurly thank you akhi

[@mohammadbazzi3072]

Well to be honest Imam Hussain Was going to Challenge Muawyia's Son Yazid. but He was abandon by his follower. He only had 72 of his Follower which were Slaughter and killed And Massacre. so that is not really a Battle. Because Imam Hussain stick with his Believe of Justice and Dignity If you think about it that is 100% unjustice and Unfair for the Muawayia's Son Yazid Army to even Start to Slaughter Imam Hussain and his follower since Imam Hussain was the Grandson of Prophet Mohammad ( peace be upon him) That is why we Shia still think about it. Killing and Massacring the Prophet's Grandson is the Tragedy as Ashura.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@mohammadbazzi3072 You are confusing Imam Hassan with Imam Hussain. Imam Hussain abided by treaty that was agreed by his brother. That isn't the error on video Imam Hassan did have war with Muawiya. He said he just agreed to Muawiya which is false

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@mohammadbazzi3072 It wasn't Muawiya who fought Imam Hussain it was Yazeed his Son

[@amirpouyaa]

Great job ! Thanks for sharing your consciousness with others. You are a wise man !

[@molaptopmo-wh8ow]

5:30 its well known that both ali and hasan were there in karbala and ali was taken captive to syria and hasan was brutally injured but was taken hostage and both have decendants to this day

[@whyiamashia9497]

I am a Shia this is the history of Shia Islam you need to go to Shia people and learn from them.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Exactly it is like he taken from non shi'i narrative one that wants to make shia like they were sect who came about later ignore evidence during the time of the prophet (sawa)

[@ALI-om2re]

Also there are two things that establish the Imam , Nass and Ismat. Designation and being sinless. As the verse of Imamat states in the Quran in regards to Abrahim (as). The Quran designates Abrahim as an Imam and says his lineage will have Imams who have no evil (sins etc) . We all agree in the designation in Ghadeer and no one can point a finger of any evil or sin from Imam Ali (as), he is tathir (completely pure) as the Quran states The claim of being sinless is a big one that none have made except for the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt (as) and no one has been able to prove they ever wavered in Islam.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Thank you, this is a great summery.

[@tejdandekar]

Excellent video, you definitely deserve more subscribers

[@rickkirkham8701]

Nice presentation of a very complex subject. Only problem is some of the icons that you created for the characters have the arabic text reversed left to right and should be written right to left.

[@guttenberg7100]

Very informative and well done, BUT I wish you had mentioned years in which things were happening.

[@alialyasiri941]

Idk man as a shia muslim there are a lot of errors in history its like you didnt even ask a shia about there history asked a sunni or something

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

yes they like to take from sunni sources usually without realising. They take what ever book is popular.

[@ALI-om2re]

Waiting for your video of a “story of another time”

[@zabihullahqalandar719]

70% of ur information is false or based on Sunni Muslims books

[@seyedhosseinhoseinial-mada4556]

there were a lot of mistakes in the video

[@abc_cba]

As a Christian, I'd say Shi'a have been persecuted for ages. Began with Abu Sufian and his gang who abhorred Ali and followed with even A'isha (wife of Muhammad) did not like him. Hassan was plotted and martyred, followed by Hussein, my habibi, and his family. This didn't stop, all of their descendants were martyred by these people who say that love them but at the same time revere people like Zubair, Talha, etc. Just like all the apostles, Shi'a Imams also suffered persecution. I don't know if people know this but the foundation of Sunni Fiqhs like Hanafi or Shai'fi, were in Shiism Imam Jaffar al Saddiq. Also, it's sad that so many splinter groups happened in Islam that everybody keeps calling each other a disbeliever. Only the Almighty has that right to judge us. Similarly, I wish Shi'a brothers have some peace as we all know the alliance of some radical Islamists who always keep supressing them. Prayers and blessings 🙏🏻

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Thanks for the prayers it is very kind of you and much appreciated. May good blessing you for your kindness and understanding

[@thenm959]

I swear to God ur awesome. Thank u brother ur rightly guided for seeing the truth in these things

[@mohammadbazzi3072]

Very Good Comment. And Yes I agree with you. The Hanafi and Shafi Were Founded and Teached by Imam Jaffar al Saddiq. So If you do the Research most of islam should Follow The islamic schools and Branches.

[@khalidimtiaz4627]

Great content. One humble request. Please get someone to review your written Arabic names.

[@fjfj544]

not only names , but the story is bend to create fittna . yehudi did this all the time

[@B0Sajwah]

@@fjfj544 lmao what

[@AdriLeemput]

(you should have put the option to clarify the answers, because multiple-choice can be limiting that way)

[@adamischaos6121]

Anybody have a direct source for the Hadith mentioned at the end of the video?

[@Mic679]

Hey casual historian, please please please, give me the name of the background music used from 3:00 , Im pleading you, I've been searching for it for a very long time 🙏. Please

[@yourmom7713]

Desert caravan

[@Mic679]

@@yourmom7713 OH MY GOD!!! Thank you thank you thank you very much sweetheart ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. After almost 1 year of rigorous searching I've finally found this music. Extremely thank you my friend. God bless you.❤️❤️❤️ Stay blessed always.

[@yourmom7713]

@@Mic679 glad I could help

[@ramz3315]

What do you ude to male your videos???

[@ramz3315]

More like the anime part

[@gaziabbasshaikh6490]

Thank u to atleast shed some light on shia twelver islam.

[@ahmedharajli189]

Great video- I’d just be more careful with the Arabic writing you used cus it did not translate well 😅 the letters were written left to write instead of vice versa and the letters also didn’t connect as they should have

[@annache250]

I often think of religion and politics as separate from each other, but it seems that they’re intertwined

[@lukesalazar9283]

Until Westphalia yeah..

[@zxera9702]

Not necessarily

[@lukesalazar9283]

@@zxera9702 what do you mean?

[@zxera9702]

I'm saying is that religion and politivs aren't intertwined it just depends on your perspective and sometimes just the general look but even then it isn't the same case.

[@zxera9702]

You can practise your religion without going into politics just fine.

[@user-tm5pj3wm7c]

Put me the Arabic translation💔

[@Lioninthenight]

So while the Shia movement was taking place, was the Umayyad Caliphate happening at the same time separately?

[@carolgebert7833]

I think the real history has the Shia movement starting in Morocco among remaining Umayyads after Abbasid take-over. The story of Ali and the Imams were inserted into the Sira for political reasons. Bloodline of the prophet probably means bloodline of the Umayyads.

[@wavez4224]

@@carolgebert7833 the Umayyads were not the bloodline of the prophet

[@fahralyacoub8970]

We shias don't think that Imam Ali is the successor, we know that he is the successor. Prophet muhammad said it himself.

[@waheedyacub3644]

The prophet never ever appointed ali RA as leader of the Muslims

[@safi67]

Go read about the night of Ghadeer my dear brother. One who denies this fact disobeys the orders of the holy prophet SAW

[@safi67]

@Al Barbarī that’s according to your schools, as they don’t see Imam Ali (as) as successor.

[@aktemsah3520]

@@safi67 lol sucessor to what exactly ? Mohammad is the seal of the prophets. Therefore , his blood lineage means nothing. You told this guy that what he is taught at his school is wrong but what if yours was wrong? Mind you, I am a Sayyid so I have a stake in this game if I want to. Shit I could claim I am an Imam and start my own sect!

[@safi67]

@@aktemsah3520 Listen sayeedna, Imam Ali (as) is the sucessor of Muhammed(saw) in the matters of leadership appointed by Allah(swt). And I never said that his school was wrong as that is wrong of me to do so. I told him that It’s what his school taught him. I never stated what I felt about that. Sayeed on my head and glory as I also have a stake in this as all my forefathers and myself are sayeeds. My linage goes back to Musa Al-katheem therefore I’m a Mosawi.

[@kuroazrem5376]

By the way, the Ibadis (another sect of Islam) also had Imams, but they elected them democratically (sometimes and in theory at least).

[@ShamanMcLamie]

Isn't the whole jist of Ibadi Islam is that they don't like the Third Caliph Uthman.

[@mikenyr4life491]

So what century literature and relics are you using to create this narrative? Try to find a 6th or 7th-century coin or literature from the area that had Islamic symbols instead of a cross or Zoroastrian symbols.

[@HaikalHajja]

in a nutshell.. few skipped details.. but overall its not missleading in such how even most islam channels delivers it, and yeah we basically holds on the prophet saw teaching and heritage via lineage.. which i found the most convinient and adquette way to practice, "the most straight path" so far that took efforts to find with all those politics and powers in play..

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

No he didn't just skip details he was very misleading and factual incorrect.

[@gh0rochi363]

The Imams knew what they were doing that is why they didn’t wage constant revolts. It sounds nice but for the greater good it was better they didn’t and they knew that. May a Allah bless the prophet and his progeny.

[@masumam.2123]

I see you put this on the day of Ashura. ;)

[@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on]

Astaghfirullah

[@CordobaGeneral1234]

The soundtrack for this sounds epic. Could you please drop me the link?The one playing at 4:14 ?

[@Mic679]

I'm searching for this soundtrack for a very long long time, I've asked many to give the link or at least mention the name, but no one gave. Very pathetic people.

[@CordobaGeneral1234]

@@Mic679 they are indeed. Really annoying

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Out of all your sources used not one was by a shia. Hardly a balanced view. What makes you think non shia know shi'ism better than shia? There are plenty of a shia academics with scholarly works. I have actually read one of these books a couple of times and layman like me can find errors in it. Even then it looks like you put your personal opinion on the video. Without doubt the information you gave comes across as very much as some anti shia. You portrayed shia as a sect that came along later. Where there is plenty of evidence to prove that wrong. This why your getting so many extremist declaring shia disbelievers praising your video for the way you made shia look. Isis and Al qaeda would love your video

[@nataliekennedy4646]

You remind me of Markerpliers friend bob

[@nataliekennedy4646]

Holly molly so many cults of personality I love it this is why history is so rich just gaining this knowledge makes me feel more in lighted as it were

[@kuroazrem5376]

Very good video. I congratulate you for managing to explain the madness of Shia sucession. As a former Muslim, and someone who investigated Islamic sects kind of rigurously, I didn't know how many factions existed, I mean, this is better than Game of Thrones in that regard.

[@alio6051]

better than the ummayad caliphate an abbasids who never EVER came close to the prophets teachings

[@kuroazrem5376]

@@alio6051 I actually agree, however, neither did the Shia. All Muslims abandoned Muhammad's true teachings when they mixed other things (hadiths) with the Quran

[@alio6051]

@@kuroazrem5376 SHia however have managed to stick with the true teachings of the prophets through our imams.The prophet(saw) asked Alla(swt) to bless his household and make them among the followers of the straightest path of Allah(swt).

[@jokerfacebitch]

No one had a dragon tho 😞

[@ealkhiyami9737]

4:53 born or not born this is an argument in both sunni and shia and is not about one side

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

He made more error than just that

[@Aintnoway1iheiw]

There's some false information the twelve imam mother is lady Narjes wich is inherent of Sant Peter

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

He said more errors than just that

[@lobstered_blue-lobster]

@@Shia.Ahlulbayt and what are they?

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@lobstered_blue-lobster You want me to remember from over a month go. Why don't you go read the other comments I listed loads of them. But if your that clueless you don't know what they are, your unlikely to understand it anyway. Or you have a blind bias that doesn't want to see them. Or naivity that everything a non muslim puts on youtube is correct.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@lobstered_blue-lobster 1) Hassan didn't challenge Muawiya? Completely false they actual fought against each other before the peace treaty, so factually what is said is false. Sunni historical sources record the fighting. There are reaason this guy calls himself the casual historian he doesn't know much. Since when do you refer someone as not resisting when they fought battles where people died! Since when is that no challenge? You don't make false claims like that unless your completely clueless like you and him. 2) Some Sunni recogise Imam Hassan as the 5th Caliph. They didn't do the peace treaty until after he was betrayed by his own army. some had been bribed by Muawiya & deserted him or switched sides. There was an assassination attempt from someone in his own army. So there are sunni's who during that time see him as the legimate caliph. 3) As for Imam Hussain raising against Yazeed that is a false narrative used by supporters of Yazeed to justify his brutal massacre. Lets use common sense if he was rising against Yazeed he would have took an army with him but he took his family & few supporters. Even Charles Dickens a non muslim can see this and actually statement that if Imam Hussain went for powere I don't understand why he took his family. In others words he clearly doesn't agree. so not sure why you couldn't use that logic. 4) Also let take Imam Hussain own words why he refused to give allegience. I think he knows better than anyone why he did what he did. Yazeed was far worse than his father he was open in his disbelief. Being slaughtered for not giving allegience and rising against the leader are two different things. Yes Kufians offered to support him but betrayed him and he never got there. He knew he wouldn't as Prophet have prophesised he would be killed in karbala is very well known. He was offered support to stay in Madina and he was offered an army in Yemen why didn't he go there? This was after he knew of the betrayal too. He clearly didn't plan to topple Yazeed he made a moral stand in refusing allegience. If he wasn't unbias since your claiming I am why give his opinion as factually when at minimum it certainly isn't the agreed opinion. 5) Also he said the followers of Ali were known after karbala. That is not true at all. We had terms like shia of Muawiya and the shia of Ali in his lifetime. Even non shi'i academic speak of this. It might have carried different meanings to different people but even in the lifetime of the prophet he used the term of shia of Ali for his true followers not the political ones. This is in sunni sources again, I have only watched the start. If I watched more there be more errors there other errors like you comment your replying too!!!! He also likes a comment there someone mocking a point clearly shows he has pre conceived opinion of what he thinks happened from where ever he taking his opinion from. I have read one his sources many times doesn't say the stuff he claiming. The opposite if anything and that by non shi'is all his sources were. Either you have blind bias the very is reason your actually acting like there were no errors or you completely ignorant on islamic history even accepted by the other side. I not even talking of shia sources. You claim I biased I am making all these points from non shi'i experts will even agree with if honest.

[@mohammadbazzi3072]

You are amazing. This explain to whole muslims.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

not really it had so many errors on it

[@mohammadbazzi3072]

@@Shia.Ahlulbayt You can Edited it. In My City there is a huge Shia Muslim Community. Or Even if you live in the USA you can go to Dearborn, Michigan in The USA is one of biggest Shias in the North America.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@mohammadbazzi3072 I can't edit his video. There are better videos online & people know much more. We should set high standards it is nice to see a video on shia without us being insulted. But we should expect more higher standards where it is accurate, fair & unbiased. Yes I have heard of Dearborn there have been a few programs on it about it Arab population & shia community. It is quite well know in the west to the shi'i community.

[@ALI-om2re]

I don’t get the connection of Hasan Muthana to Zaid bin Ali. There’s something broken in that part of you presentation. Ok now let me continue watching……

[@ALI-om2re]

It’s not that Jafar Al-Sadiq (as) didn’t appoint an Imam , as you mentioned he was the one who said the next Imam has to be announced. Also you said the sect “seveners” believed Ismail went into occultation but this is incorrect, they believed Musa ibn Jaffar went into occultation not Ismail and hence rejected Ali ibn Musa (as).

[@ALI-om2re]

Never mind . Waqafia were also believed in 7 Imams but Seveners mentioned were different and believed in Ismail being in occultation. Interesting ..

[@ALI-om2re]

Any how that was interesting. But the Imams stem from the Prophets (as) Hadith that there will be 12 Leaders after me. Interestingly enough this is narrated in books by their original opponents (sunnis). Lot of things I want to dive into and thank you for the time and effort you must have put in to make this documentary.

[@kuroazrem5376]

You forgot to mention the schisms within Ismailism.

[@sigmagrindset7848]

Do you want this video to hit the 1 hour mark???

[@Moshimulations]

@@sigmagrindset7848 oooh CIA, make it 12 hours plz.

[@ranro7371]

The Arabic names are jumbled up use the wiki word next time

[@ALI-om2re]

The claims of other Imams were to protect the actual Imam , not all but some were also claimed Imam for their dead father and not the father himself ever claimed Imamat like Zaid bin Ali. This is a good effort but really paints an inaccurate picture.

[@user-HafizHamza1994]

Do not show fake pics of great sacred personalities.

[@DaTruth1017]

Well researched?????? 1.34 Definitely not!!!!!!! Our beloved prophet Muhammad (saw) father-in-law was NOT Abu Barkr in this time period. It was Abu Talib the father of Imam Ali (as). Abu Barkr and Iman Ali were contenders for caliphate and prophet was grandfather to Hasssn and Hussain (as) Our beloved prophet Mohammed, Ali, wife (Fatema) children (Hassan and Hussain) come under the banner of Ahlulbayt (family). Abu Barkr is nowhere to be found in Ahlulbayt. Get your facts rights!!!!

[@HalalBoi1404]

Abu bakr isn't related to the Prophet Muhammad PBUH. He is related to his wife.

[@theMOCmaster]

why didnt the abbasids try to unite caliph and imam

[@preapple]

None of this action is taking place in the Hejaz. All is happening thousands of miles north in Damascus and Kufa. So you needn’t pan down to Mecca and Medina every time.

[@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on]

What do u mean ???

[@Gulamqambar]

After the death of the holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his immaculate progeny), Muslims had two options for seeking guidance from; the ahlulbayt (, family) of the holy Prophet. Others. The ahlulbayt are those family members of the holy Prophet who grew up in his blessed lap. Islam, Qur'an and the Shari'ah was revealed in their house. The angels descended with the blessings, mercy and grace of Allah into their house. Muslims are obligated to send blessings upon not only their holy Prophet but also his holy progeny in their namaz/salat. Allah testifies of their purity, infallibility, cleanliness and perfection in the holy Qur'an. The holy Prophet left behind him the Book of Allah, the holy Qur'an and his holy progeny. They are the inheritors of the holy Prophet's knowledge, wisdom, understanding and guidance. They are the best examples, role models and ideals after the holy Prophet. Who can understand Islam, Qur'an, Shari'ah, the sunnah of the holy Prophet and so on better than the people of the house? This is why the Twelver Shi'as follow the ahlulbayt and none else. As regards to others, we are not sure of the state of their iman, source of their knowledge, information, understanding and guidance about Islam. The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of Muslims are victims of prejudice, brainwashing, ignorance, misconceptions and misinformation when it comes to the school of the ahlulbayt. Muslims ask Allah at least ten times a day in their namaz/salat, "guide us to the straight path. The path of those upon whom You have showered Your blessings, mercy and grace; not of those upon whom You sent Your wrath and gone astray" As a Muslim, have you ever paused for a moment and asked yourself as to who are the ones upon whom is Allah's grace, blessings and mercy? In the same salat/namaz, Muslims send blessings upon not only their holy Prophet but also his holy progeny. Again, have you ever thought for a moment who this progeny of your Prophet is upon whom you are obligated to send blessings? Their names, status, contributions, sacrifices and so on? www.al-islam.org www.imamali.net/?id=2390

[@domenstrmsek5625]

Make khariats

[@HUNTER-hf8tj]

Hassan askri wasn't have a child with a slave girl its his wife name as nargis khaton the mother of 12 imam muhamad mehdi

[@masumam.2123]

Technically, narjis khaton was enslaved after her kingdom had fallen so... he is kinda right on that point

[@HUNTER-hf8tj]

@@masumam.2123 but he is talking like they never married its his salve girl(londi) and the 12 imam imam mehdi was illigitimate

[@masumam.2123]

@@HUNTER-hf8tj Maybe he didn't mean it that way 🤔

[@HUNTER-hf8tj]

@@masumam.2123 you are right but some people's will definitely thinks like that so for that people's my comment will be usefull.

[@masumam.2123]

@@HUNTER-hf8tj yes I guess that's true

[@theindianshiamuslim5777]

It was a very well researched video, But please refrain from showing pictures of our Imam's ,it is against our beliefs

[@jeffmarlatt6538]

It would be easier to understand if there were drawings of these men. All these "Mohammad Abu ibn" names accompanied by Arabic script don't add to making this history less confusing.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

it wasn't well researched it not a shia narrative he was giving. It is like he taken from non shi'i narrative one that wants to make shia like they were sect who came about later ignore evidence during the time of the prophet (sawa)

[@theleakyprophet]

This is a very good survey of Shi'i history.

[@carolgebert7833]

I wonder what your opinion is of the scholarship showing Muhammad is mythical, Mecca did not exist in the 7th C and the Rashudins and the Umayyads were both Christian? Scholars think the Abbasids invented Muhammad by Koranic revision and the addition of Siras and Hadiths. I think the Shia movement started in the remaining Umayyad lands in the far west. So the bloodline of the Prophet probably refers to the Umayyad Caliphs. This might be why some Sunnis say Shia are not Muslims. If they are from the Umayyads then their origins are Christian, blurred with Islam in the 9th C.

[@leohochhauser]

Where may I listen to your talk without the (to me at least) annoying background noise?

[@CasualHistorian]

I'll provide a music free version over at Patreon.

[@woolworthsaus8703]

Kaysanites

[@aleilyas]

just one thing to clarify ... thier is no shia islam and sunni islam ..... its shia muslims and sunni muslims .. and islam is one single religion .... so please correct this if you can thank you 👍

[@mdtaqijiwani3576]

Information is innacurate 3rd imam was forced to fight and 2nd imam did fight with muaviwya and that too twice I'm a Shia Twelve and this is like a twisted version of what happen

[@fjfj544]

story of Shia in Yehudi's view. Islam is not about successor, no ayat(sign) for who must be successor rather worshiping one God and follow the prophet's way.

[@mahdihussain5553]

So do you think it is wise for God and his prophet to leave muslims without guidance regarding whom they should follow? Don't you think that might make it difficult for people to agree on who should rule muslims? Haven't you heard the Hadith of the prophet "Whoever I am his Mawla Ali is his Mawla"?

[@bloom_un]

I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

[@jeffmarlatt6538]

Why not add drawings of the men in question or photos of actors to accompany all the "Mohammad Abu ibn Mohammad" names ? It would make this less confusing to people who want to understand this material but aren't auditory learners.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

not really all the pictures would be made up how they going to help someone. Imagine a face what is the difference.

[@Clyde_Frog]

Well that was a pretty interesting mess

[@fogshadow9112]

This video has so many mistakes. You can easily search up a Shia clerk and they would give your the right information.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Exactly it is like he taken from non shi'i narrative one that wants to make shia like they were sect who came about later ignore evidence during the time of the prophet (sawa)

[@lobstered_blue-lobster]

@@Shia.Ahlulbayt you know you are taking a biased position here

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@lobstered_blue-lobster You know you don't have clue what your talking about. How is it biased to point out factual historical inaccuracies. Is everyone saying there are mistakes bias. When it comes to non muslims I don't need my biased view taken account for because I expect them to be slight independent. He not used one, not one book as his source by shia author. It seems he biased the other way if anything. Leave that aside his account has errors even according to fair sunni sources. If you knew what you were talking about you would actually know that

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@lobstered_blue-lobster Here the irony the video is on early shia history. Primary sources will hardly be in english. Here you are telling a shia blindly that me pointing out errors means I am biased. Now this is pretty arrogant of you to assume the fact there can't be errors. Especially when I posted some the factual errors & others have. Also when this person calls themselves the casual historian your treating some random person as 100% correct. A non muslim is unlikely to even go to primary sources. Who going to know better our academics & scholars or your KZbin expert. What we are given here is poor orientalist view by someone who put his own spin on it with his humour. Who I wouldn't be surprised if some of his errors he not even taken from some of his sources. Like I said I have read one of his sources many times it doesn't portray as he has. The fact he liked someone comment which was mocking a particular part of shia faith show his preconceived notions. He was far being unbiased. The fact he making big out all these factions which most ceased existing way back. Only reason some naive shia were happy with this video is they thought oh a non Muslim speaking about our faith that is rare. They disregarded or were unaware on how much he got wrong. Maybe if they get their knowledge from KZbin explains it. Even then if give him all benefit of the doubt he still managed to give biased anti shia account. I am not even talking of a pro shia account just one that accurate from historical view.

[@syedhasnain2192]

This video is far from truth. The real and first early Shias were called the few companions of prophet Muhammad pbuh and stood up with Ali Ibn Abi Talib against Abu Bakar. Salam Al Farsi, Abu Zar Ghafri were few of the Shia companions.

[@syedhasnain2192]

@البصري Why didn’t Ali give Bayyah for first 6 months? And you can cry a river calling me rafidhi etc but it don’t change facts.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Exactly it is as if he taken his information from sunni narrative. Even if it was western source they more than often use the sunni narrative

[@nebiyu.a4695]

DELETE THE DAMN PHOTOS IN THE THUMBNAIL!!!! IT IS FORBIDDEN TO CREATE SUCH IMAGES IN ISLAM OF THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD ﷺ.

[@adisor906]

😂

[@ahmadnassar3366]

Extremely inaccurate, both historically and Islamically

[@bahloolabuturab1968]

Too bad a lot of information is Sunni influenced. I would advice you study history from the sources of Shia like www.al-islam.org

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Exactly it is like he taken from non shi'i narrative one that wants to make shia like they were sect who came about later ignore evidence during the time of the prophet (sawa)

[@20Ballout]

Very generic summary

[@danielattah6031]

Religion is politics

[@dog19143]

No disrespect but how does this not drive you to follow the sunnah . Secession was never spoke of in the Quran & the confusion that happened as a result is a apparent how unhelpful it is . All politics or mysticism barely any worship of Allah . Just a bunch of focus on nepotism.

[@HalalBoi1404]

Agreed. Shia is based upon bid'ah

[@TurtleMarcus]

Imam: *dies* Shia muslim 1: He was poisoned! Shia muslim 2: Are you suuuure he's not just hiding?

[@xgamergamesboy8006]

This is not a joke!

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

Interesting the casual history liked this comment mocking shia belief show how disingenious he was in making this video. He certainly where not knowledgeable or partisan. If casual historian had any real knowledgeable of islam he would know all islam hold some belief in occultation. They hold same belief about jesus that he went in occultation and there were other prophets too which all muslims accept so it nothing new. The fact Imams where killed it also happened to Prophets through out history. Yes many groups tried to use to take power but the whole red herring of all these sects he forgets to tell you most died out and the overall shia belong to one sect and there are only really 3 different sects now.

[@rabbirubiel4932]

Misunderstood

[@iamdoctorcat6347]

Lok like Islam have nothing do with that stupid political

[@kuroazrem5376]

This is basically Game of Thrones.

[@tr25tr]

☆ŞİİLERE SORULACAK ÇOK ÖNEMLİ SORULARDAN SâDECE BİRKAÇI : إذا سمعت أحدا يسب عمر Hz. Ömer'e söven birini işittiğinizde فقل له : أي عمر تقصد؟ O'na hangi Ömer'i kast ediyorsun diye sorun? عمر بن علي بن أبي طالب Kastettiğin Hz. Ali'nin oğlu olan Ömer mi? أم عمر بن الحسن بن علي Yoksa Hz. Ali'nin oğlu Hz. Hüseyin'in oğlu olan Ömer mi? أم عمر بن الحسين بن علي Ya da Hz. Ali'nin oğlu Hz. Hasan'ın oğlu olan Ömer mi ? أم عمر بن علي زين العابدين بن الحسين Yahut Hz. Hüseyin'in oğlu Zeynel Abidîn'in oğlu olan Ömer mi? أم عمر بن موسى الكاظم Veya Musa Kâzım'ın oğlu olan Ömer mi? Bu Ömer'lerden hangisini kastediyorsun? * وإذا سمعت أحدهم يهتف : عائشة في النار Hz. Âişe annemizi ateşte olmakla ithâm eden birini gördüğünüzde فاسأله : أي عائشة تقصد؟ Ona hangi Aişe'yi kastediyorsun diye sorun ? عائشة بنت جعفر الصادق Ca'fer es-sâdığın kızı Aişe'yi mi? أم عائشة بنت موسى الكاظم Yahut Musa Kâzım'ın kızı Aişe'yi mi? أم عائشة بنت علي الرضا Veya Ali Rıza'nın kızı Aişe'yi mi ? Hangi Âişe? * وإذا سمعت شخصا يسب أبوبكر Hz. Ebû Bekir'e küfreden birini işittiğinizde فاسأله : أي أبوبكر تقصد؟ O'na hangi Ebû Bekir'i kast ettiğini sorun? أبوبكر بن علي بن أبي طالب Hz. Ali'nin oğlu olan Ebû Bekir'i mi? أم أبوبكر بن الحسن بن علي Yoksa Hz Ali'nin oğlu Hz. Hasan'ın oğlu olan Ebû Bekir'i mi? أم أبوبكر بن الحسين بن علي Ya da Hz. Ali'nin oğlu Hz. Hüseyin'in oğlu olan Ebû Bekir'i mi? أم أبوبكر بن موسى الكاظم Yahut Mûsa Kâzım'ın oğlu olan Ebû Bekir'i mi? Hangi Ebû Bekir? ثم اسأله لماذا سمى هؤلاء أبناءهم وبناتهم بهذه الأسماء Sonra O kişiye Bu değerli insanların neden evlatlarına bu isimleri koyduklarını sor. أليس لأنهم يحبونهم ويحترمون أصحابها الأصليين ويقدرونهم ويريدون أن يخلدوا ذكراهم الطيبة في نفوس أولادهم وبناتهم Çünki onlar Hz. Ebû Bekir'i, Hz. Ömer’i ve Hz. Âişe annemizi seviyor Hz. Peygamber’in eshâbına saygı gösterip, hürmet ediyorlar tertemiz hâtıralarını evlatları vesilesiyle ebedileştirmek istiyorlardı. انشر ليكون لك الثواب في الدفاع عن عرض رسول الله وعن أصحابه...

[@Qezelbas]

Ne saçmalıyorsun sen? Asil ehlibeyt ve hz aliye sizler lanet etmişsiniz

[@jokerfacebitch]

Imma start my own super exclusive nightclub called Occultation. And it will be so exclusive... No one will ever know for sure if you made it in or not.

[@lukesalazar9283]

One note if I may. Jesus Christ is recognised as God in all major branches of Christianity

[@bjs301]

I spent 8 years in a Catholic grade school, and never figured it out. One of the first things we learned in first grade was that God always existed. And of course we learned about the Holy Trinity. So Jesus was God, and always existed.. So how could he be the son of anybody?

[@lukesalazar9283]

@@bjs301 chapt 2 sec III www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/westminster-confession-faith/ God must be triune seeing as how He is all Loving. Jesus is not Just the Son of God but rather The Word of God ever preceding from God the Father see Genesis 1:1-6 I believe

[@bjs301]

@@lukesalazar9283 Yeah, sure. You go with that.

[@lukesalazar9283]

@@bjs301 did you bother attempting to read what I posted?

[@bjs301]

@@lukesalazar9283 Of course I did. Again, I went to a catholic school. When i reached 9th grade, I went to Sunday religion classes. And that was a nasty insult. You don't know me at all. As to "attempting to read", I got a 4 year bachelor's degree, a year of grad school, and a law degree. I know how to read, and i know how to analyze the written word. Most importantly, I know how to think.

[@bpcgos]

Yes, its a nice topic, Im also curious when shiite starts to distinct themselves from Islam. 12:25 yep, thats why Sunni never consider shia is part of Islam and should consider themselves new religion, changing rules, even what Quran and Hadits (the main source of Islamic rules ) already established, as they saw fit that in the end only to legitimate their own lush of power... Its not different actually, because whether Sunni os Shia, Islam, or Jews, or even christianity, there will be some of them already in power twisting the law of their religion to justify their own act.

[@masumam.2123]

Well, that's just a unbiased very summarized version of it. In actuality it's that age doesn't matter when it comes to divine leadership and it is backed up by the story of Jesus' birth in the quran where he proclaims to be a prophet of God as a baby. That's the full argument shias use...

[@alio6051]

bruh, take some history classes. Shia always havebeen theopressed its the ommayeds and abbasids who were power hungry..

[@bpcgos]

@@alio6051 the oppreses ? Look at syria now. The most recent events involving shia government helped by shia militia killing helpless civilian.

[@alio6051]

@@bpcgos yeah all those rebels were all immediately blamed on bashar al assad he had nothing to do with it. Your probably reading american israeli promoted news articles

[@zxera9702]

@@bpcgos Look at Taliban,isis and the rebels and a million other extremenist groups and tell me are they sunni or shia

[@dalmar5567]

This shows Sunni Islam is the true There are so confusing in Shia Islam even most Shias don’t know their own religion

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on brother this isn't the correct way to correct someone

[@mohammadbazzi3072]

Your Saying I don't know My own Religion??? Can you explain to me why You say Shia have their Own Religion. Just tell me why you say Shia have their Religion?

[@mohammadbazzi3072]

@@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on Brother That is Wrong. We Shias Should Follow Imam Ali( AS) When He say... Don't by the one Who Curse and swear ( Bad Words)... Obviously there is so many Of Sunnis ( Just Radical and Fundamentals) who think the same way as Muhammad Yousuf in his Comment. They Say We Shia Are not Muslims and we don't belong to Islam. You should Be open Minded and Explain to him that We Shia Muslims. Our Holy Book Is Quran, Our Prophet In Muhammad ( peace Upon Him). We Fast In Month if Ramadan. We Priglim to Mecca (Saudia Arabia) And We Do The Zakat. Tell him We Shia, the Tawahid which is Ashahad An la Alleh Al Allah, Wa Ashahad An Muhmmad Rassoul Allah. Just Explain to him Us Shia We are Muslims As we Follow the 5 pillars of Islam. He is a Radical as his Comment prove he is a Radicalized. Let him Say whatever he want. The hate is overwhelming him.

[@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on]

I apologise for commenting rudely

[@syawkcab]

If you think this is confusing, wait until you see sunni Islam. There are way more sects and competing factions

[@ThugShakers4Christ]

I have always been amazed by how deep the Shriners have infiltrated Islam

[@MuhammadYousuf-pl9on]

Shit up john ... I doubt ur john ... Maybe behind this name ur a salafi or Sunni huh shame on u .... No one has destroyed or infiltrated Islam other than Abu bake umar uthman Muawiya Aisha hafsa hind ummul hakam ( muawiyah sister ) and so on ....

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

You should be amazed on your ignorance too then. All of islam have Prophet buried in Mosque in Madina. Even the quran speaks of building over the burial place of the people of the cave. Did they infiltrate the quran. You do get true islam comes from quran and the prophets family. So islam with infiltrated by the haters like you. Quran Verse (18:21) Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them."

[@ThugShakers4Christ]

@@Shia.Ahlulbayt bruh. It ain't that deep. It's called a joke. Chill.

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

@@ThugShakers4Christ it is deep too many. How about you don't talk nonsense in the first place rather than tell people what to do 🙄

[@ThugShakers4Christ]

@@Shia.Ahlulbayt maybe you can learn to take a joke? I'm Catholic and I can laugh at jokes about the pope and Jesus all the time. Pretty sure God isn't so insecure that he can't have a sense of humor.

[@mr.y981]

Your reversed Arabic writing is annoying, if you don't know how to write in Arabic then don't attempt to

[@ShamanMcLamie]

I'm not a muslim, or have any stake in this, but honestly the Shia sects just sounds like Ali's political supporters having sour grapes and then just turned their political movement into a religious one to give their guys claim to the head of the religion more legitimacy. Kind of like how King Charles VII likely used Joan of Arc to turn his losing cause for the French throne into a mission from god. All these Shia sects seem based on succession of the leader of Islam instead of an actual theological arguments like the Christian divides over the nature of Jesus with the Nestorian, Monophysite, and Chalcedonian branches of Christianity. All these Shia sects like the Fathites and Ismailis remind me of succession factions in Europe like the Spanish Alfonsists and Carlists and French Legitimists and Orleanists. I don't think when Mohammed predicted Islam would break up into competing sects this is what he had in mind.

[@whyareyougae123]

no theological arguments? have you even googled what shia islam is? like seriously, even the simplest google search shows that shias certainly do have a theological base for their beliefs. next time, try doing some basic research before commenting, its ridiculous.

[@skengdo2458]

Well prophet muhammad did say hold onto the Quran and his Family. He even appointed Ali as the successor at the event of ghadir khumm. Please do your research and don’t be ignorant

[@Shia.Ahlulbayt]

There is so much wrong in this comment. What you said is nothing more than your guesswork based on very little knowledge of islam let alone shi'ism but on a flawed analogy to christian faith. This video by none muslims is far better and less bias even though it has odd error too kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2mYlYugnLKcibc But to be fair to you if your view it was based on this video no wonder you come with such a poor assessment, this video was far from neutral and very biased virtually anti shia. 1) You claim it started off as political movement. Not if you you actually knew about the Prophet life in more detail which he doesn't touch on at all. The Prophet never left the muslim community without someone in charge never. Your telling me he didn't leave a successor. There numerous evidences he left a successor and who that was. The quran actually states clear God representatives are choose by God until the end of time. Prophet actually gave guidance of what muslims should follow. Depending if you follow it or don't you get a different theology. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaaaoYGuepyoZ9U 2) It certainly isn't sour grapes the shia view is it doesn't matter if they never became the political rulers they were always gods representatives regardless. So it was people lost not theirs. 3) All these shia sects you do realise the overwhelming sect all one sect there are only 3 really now most these sect who did rise to try take power didnt' have any basis and died out. He forgets to mention that. He intention makes a big deal of number of factions. There are many factions in all faiths sunnis have, christians have, Jews have. 4) You claimed the Prophet Muhammad didn't predict islam would have all these different sect all muslims agree he did even the quran warns of it. So your completely wrong on this.

[@Muhammad-pz1bp]

The prophet Muhammad peace be upon him prophicies that muslims will be divided into 73 sects and only one will be on the right path , i agree that shia are not real muslims , they insult the wife of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him , so they are heretics .

[@lemortedbrian6070]

thats because historians portray it that way, its far from reality but people usually arent bothered to go into nuance and complexity.