The History of Weekly Shonen Jump: 1986 - Featuring Saint Seiya

[@bobalinx8762]

7:30 The SNES came out in 1990, this came out on the NES.

[@TrentinArt]

💀damn rip me

[@shadowfall5278]

Thank you for acknowledging Saint Seiya’s popularity in other parts of the world: aka Mexico, Central America, South America, and large parts of Europe and Asia. Someone on Twitter said a USA Saint Seiya fan is rare like a shiny Pokémon and it makes me laugh every time since I’m one of them.

[@gabrielramos7716]

Saint seiya was pretty huge here in brazil, no one from my generation (90's) hasn't watch at least one ep, i had all of the VHS movies. And the toys was amaizing, you had those dolls and the armor could be on or you could take it out to do your own "armoring up". Lot of memories of this one. I must have know that you would be getting at this because i'm literelly on volume 2. Great video as always trentin

[@TrentinArt]

Thank you! I love hearing about how some manga were big in other countries! Stuff like Seiya especially because its practically non existent here in the UK.

[@maroindefinitlyhuman6857]

the series never made it to my country, mainly because it deals with Greek mythology and Arab/Muslim countries don't allow any of that in kids shows.

[@darkalion7]

As a huge fan of Saint Seiya, I just want to say thank you for recognizing the work of Masami Kurumada. It deserves so much more love than it gets in the US.

[@TrentinArt]

No problem!! Kurumada was such a huge influence to shounen manga and overall I want to give every manga some justice and a spotlight! While I personally don't love Saint Seiya a ton I really like some of his early works like Ring ni Kakero and Sukeban Arashi. He's a really cool artist!

[@justatoaster7476]

I think part of the appeal of Saint Seiya for many was similar to ones I saw listed for Ring Ni Kakero. The protagonists were young boys around the age of jumps readers contrast to the older and more macho characters of series like Fist of the northstar, and have contrasting personalities that allow any reader to see his/herself in at least one of the boys. And despite the storylines being pretty simple it sells a sense of overcoming overwhelming odds very well and embodies the spirit of the magazine sincerely at all times. To a kid or a lover of battle shonen in general its very appealing. In short, it and Kurumada's works in general are unapologetically "shonen".

[@TrentinArt]

Great summary of Saint Seiya and Kurumada, I completely agree!

[@animestokuandvideo5798]

Saint Seiya my personality 3rd favorite anime series of all time

[@TrentinArt]

Awesome!! Hope I did it justice!

[@animestokuandvideo5798]

@@TrentinArt its up there with Dragon ball My Hero Academia JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Digimon Dragon Quest The Adventure Of Dai and the Mobile Suit Gundam Series

[@robertfaulkkner5508]

what are the other two?

[@godsaver_8]

Dont look at the low view count, this is a brilliant video series, keep going reach the current year, this is a classic in making, you are doing great, just please dont stop. Eventually you will blow up, just build a catalogue of great videos so people have a lot of videos to catch up on.

[@TrentinArt]

Thank you! Honestly super happy and surprised with how many views they do get and love making these! I'll reach the current year someday for sure!

[@gavinlucas9761]

Funny that this video literally came out the day after Saint Seiya: Next Dimension ended it's 18 year run.

[@TrentinArt]

Ikr! I literally found out after I edited the Saint Seiya section, otherwise I would've edited in 😅

[@WinspearUltima]

Yeah and it’s makes want to read next dimensions in English after reading knights of the zodiac

[@adoniscreed4031]

Damn... Kurumada is on a crazy streak of finishing off his stuff thats been on hiatus! Good on him 😂

[@heitorsantoslima9289]

Saint Seiya is like, super huge in Brazil. Kickstarted an anime fever in the 80s.

[@kafiri]

Finally caught up with this historical series of Jump. It's been a blast! Since this is a historical talk about Jump, I would like to add a little bit about the influence it has on Brasil. I can safely say that Saint Seiya (Knight of Zodiac here) is THE MOST IMPORTANT title for Brasil. It's the fundamental stone about everything regarding anime/mangá. Brasil always had the Tokusatsu culture kinda present since the 70's, but mostly during the whole 80's it was basically the only pop culture from Japan, with Jaspion and Jiraya being very popular during 1988, year of my birth. Saint Seiya would only broadcast here in public TV in 1994 at a smaller channel called Manchete, that only acquired the right cause bigger channels did not wanted to buy it. Manchete claimed it free of charge but having to broadcast commercials of Saint Seiya's merch during their tv schedule. Little to know the anime was an ABSOLUTE MANIA here in Brasil and I can state it cause I lived it. There was almost every product you can imagine. The famous toys with the armors, candies, magazines, clothes, every children related product. It was so successful that Manchete quickly owned the broadcast rights for more years to come. Also it's good to mention that the dubbing of the anime was LEGENDARY (I felt really sorry for this horrible english dub). Saint Seiya was the first BOOM of anime here in Brasil and it opened the door for THE MOST LOVED title in Brasil: Dragon Ball, debuting in 1996 in a bigger public TV channel called SBT. Also with a legendary dub. The high quality of dub that every title had here in Brasil and how they localize the gags and everything else so perfectly helped to boost the popularity of every title. Yu Yu Hakusho dub was a great example of that and it also exceeded here around late 90's. Dragon Ball Z first aired here in 1999 and it's the undisputed favorite anime of all time in Brasil. I myself love Saint Seiya and the importance it has, if I still read or watch it today it will feel ridiculously awesome to me, but I understand that the nostalgic factor counts heavily in it, and someone new to this title today, in 2024, would struggle to catch it's soul. Differently from Dragon Ball, which I'm re-reading after Toriyama's passing and it's insane how it actually still manages to be fresh to this date. I think anyone can easily enjoy even today. Such a genius mangaka Toriyama was. 1999 onwards we started to get a few more popular titles here such as Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokémon, Digimon, Sakura Card Captors. It was around this year that mangá culture was starting to create roots here, with the publisher Conrad bring titles such as Dragon Ball, Saint Seiya and Hadashi no Gen. The mangá boom took some time to actually happen, cause people here was still more anime oriented. One Piece was first published here in 2002 by Conrad but it didn't managed to succeed as the other ones. Around this period, the anime mania wasn't the same, so the new titles weren't been published or broadcasted here at public TVs. And as you could see by the years I've mentioned, we were getting stuff with a lot of delay (although we did got it first than many countries), we first saw anything Saint Seiya related only 8 years from the manga release. Dragon Ball was 10 years after the mangá release... but 2005 onwards as the internet grew stronger the same did brazilian's love for anime and manga, we started to DIY. This was the beginning of fansub culture here in Brasil. A lot of fan made websites and foruns were created to translate anime and also mangá chapters and it was a period were we would get our late animes/mangá like this or with non official fan made DVD. This marks the era of Naruto, which is probably the second most loved title here in Brasil. It was insane how quickly it rose by the fans itself and how quickly cable TV decided to bet on it too. With oficial dubbing taking place, the anime being broadcast at public TV and also the actual boom of mangá happening, in 2007 Naruto skyrocketed here, also with merch everywhere. This is when publisher Panini officially started to release Naruto here. Panini and JBC it's still today the two biggest publishers of mangá here. From that year onwards we always got good titles and were as closest as we could get to Japan release titles. Bleach was published quite after Naruto and although it was commercially successful, the anime never exploded at TV here. But basically every major Jump mangá at that time somehow got to be published here. And even if it didn't, as Gintama for instance, people manage to create an online community for it and fansub culture never lost it's strength down here. By 2012 One Piece started to be published by Panini and this is when started to rise it's popularity mainstream. It was already VERY strong online with the fansubs, but the manga was not continued by Conrad back then and the anime was never seriously invested at TV. We've got a good first dub, but it was also discontinued. But we can say that from 2012 forward the mangá alone helped the popularity of One Piece mainstream wise, which helped the anime to get a new dub in 2018 and since it landed at Netflix we can finally say that One Piece is undeniably huge and mainstream here in Brasil. And it's exponentially growing since then. It's very fulfilling to look around and easily see a lot of friends just jumping into One Piece's boat right now while in here from more than 16 years already. Well, this was longer than I thought, but I hope I managed to contribute just a little bit on why historically Saint Seiya is huge in Brasil. Crazy to think that someone deciding to broadcast this anime way back in 1994 would lead to me falling in love with this culture, to learn japanese and even being here today writing this very comment. Thanks for your videos. Needless to say I'm enjoying it a lot and learning tons from them!

[@TrentinArt]

Thank you so much for your comment! It's really insightful and interesting to learn about how anime/manga spread in other countries especially since I think the UK is one of the slowest adopters of it! Glad your enjoying the videos and learning stuff too!

[@TheBlackOtaku]

Saint Seyia is Mexico 2nd Dragon Ball Z

[@FairladyZ2005]

As a new fan of Saint Seiya from the US, it's nice to see another English speaker talk about his work and influence. I know the story of why it wasn't popular in the US but why wasn't it popular in the UK?

[@TrentinArt]

I can't tell you for sure but anime is definitely a relatively new thing here, nobody where I'm from got to see anything like Dragonball or naruto even since our television blocks are quite different, so Saint seiya is even further down that pipeline and I doubt its something that crops up much in conversation here even now. The most anime you'd get for a long time in the UK was just 4kids pokemon and yugioh tbh But overall I'm a big fan of Masumi Kurumada and his works overall, really influential mangaka who deserves more praise!

[@ThunderBeam707]

I love Saint Seiya solely for it's coming-of-age, underdog and themes of maturation, metaphors, and greek mythological aesthetics

[@WinspearUltima]

Saint Seiya easily one of my favourite shonens I’ve read the whole manga last year and wish they give this manga a reprint one day. It’s my personal 4th favourite shonen series.

[@BluePikmin11R]

It just so happens that Saint Seiya Next Dimension finished serializing recently

[@TrentinArt]

I know haha literally found out after I edited the Saiya Segment 😅

[@harleytheapothecary7849]

4:25 actual jump scare

[@SamTheGumMan117]

I enjoyed the Saint Seiya anime so much when I was younger and still got fond memories of it plus the section for DB is always a great listen

[@whatssofunny9506]

I will someday read Saint Seiya

[@TrentinArt]

I feel you! I had it on my list for years until I had to make this video haha

[@X_Brawn]

So many interesting manga I've never heard of came out in the 80s

[@TrentinArt]

Haha I bet! Most of the magazine is usually filled with smaller cancelled titles that don't get talked about at all

[@MrN0where]

Your videos are very informative. Interesting to learn about Jump’s early years

[@TrentinArt]

Thank you! Hope you enjoyed learning about it!

[@erikwirfs-brock2432]

The Metal K author has an autobiographical one volume manga of his time working for jump, pretty interesting if you want a behind the scenes peak-also it really made me want to read metal k!

[@TrentinArt]

Ohhh I've heard that mentioned before, I'll have to check it out at some point!

[@projectmessiah]

Absolutely love Saint Seiya. Pegasus Fantasy is a song that speaks to the soul. On the yaoi note, fun fact but you can trace some of Clamps earliest works as Saint Seiya yaoi.

[@projectmessiah]

These video drops are starting to become hype af now that i know like half or more of the titles in a year, can't wait for the 90s and onwards. I thought this one would take a bit longer with the 3k community post too.

[@TrentinArt]

Wanted to do my best yesterday and spent most of the day editing since I knew my weekend would be busy, glad it was worth it! And yep I think they're getting more exciting too!

[@cityname100]

Awesome Video!!! great detail and knowledge on every manga that was in 1986 shonen jump, can't wait for 1987 and getting into Jojo's Bizarre adventure one of my favourite manga series, great job 😊👍

[@TrentinArt]

Thank you! I'm really excited for 1987 too since Jojo is one of my favourite manga ☺️

[@riversofbeauty2802]

My favorite battle shounen

[@TrentinArt]

Awesome! Hope I did it some justice!

[@JamesGraham-fc8on]

Saint seyia first manga was good heard the other one was pretty bad from a friend

[@EduTheshark]

4:04 There are two series you can't shittalk in Mexico: Saint Seiya (Knights of the Zodiac) and Dragon Ball

[@gabrielramos7716]

for those who read saint seiya: s tier - Virgo, Sagittarius (not only bc is my sign) a tier - gemini, leo, scorpio, capriconr B tier- aries, cancer, aquarius, libra f tier- pisces, taurus

[@ayahuaska666]

just a little side note next dimension recently just ended like two days ago anyway awesome video

[@TrentinArt]

Yeahhh I know, I found out as soon s I edited the Seiya section, just horrible luck 😅

[@crowhogan6854]

Just a small correction, Cosmo is not bestowed by Athena, it´s the life-force of every human, and all have the potential to awaken to it through training. Saint Seiya is, like you said, a very influential series in latin America, where it stands alongside Dragon Ball in popularity and relevance to this day. People find it appealing because as a series it showcases perfectly the three pillars of Jump: friendship, effort and victory, remarking on the prowess of the Saints to never give up, no matter how lost everything looks, always fighting against impossible odds and defying the divine intentions of the gods with a very rebel and young spirit. Sadly, the series never found footing on America due to an early 2000´s shit dub that got aired waaay past it´s prime. The series got remade as an americanized version on Netflix to try and captivate a new audience, but it botched the entire lore and most of the early story, even going as far as to change names only keeping Seiya´s (Shiryu became Long, Ikki is Nero, Hyoga is Magnus, and Shun, the most sensible and yet badass man, got turned into a woman, cause pink armor equals girl. The director tried to excuse this change as triying to make a more diverse cast, but it ended up coming out more as him reinforcing stereotypes about sentimental men and femeninity).

[@saccizord]

Would be awesome to have a similar section as Dragon Ball for the upcoming Slam Dunk and Yu Yu Hakusho

[@TrentinArt]

I had plans to do so with yuyu hakusho and since I've recently read through slam dunk I think it'd be cool to mention major games at least!

[@Miraihi]

Guan Yu is more famous as a character in Chinese classic novel "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". I recommend you to familiarize yourself with it, because it's been crazy influential for Japanese culture. The main characters in "Three kingdoms" are actual historical figures, but were heavily altered and made more badass than they really were.

[@TrentinArt]

Good to know! I might or might not since I don't really have much interest, but largely I try to play it safe and not engage rather than get things wrong

[@Miraihi]

@@TrentinArt Alright. Just bear in mind that the references to "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" appear in anime and manga A LOT, and having some knowledge on the topic may be beneficial for a manga reviewer. I recommend videos by the channel "Cool History Bros".

[@crzyboy190]

Saint Seiya's anime is surprisingly well paced for a series that came out 9 months after the manga. Even though some the early content isn't that interesting.

[@TrentinArt]

That's so wild! Tbh. I'm doing future research for the next video and it getting a cover for season 2 of the anime ending already. Whoever was in charge of pacing and handling the anime were wizards !

[@murderman8578]

Just got into Saint Seiya My complaint is that the Fights don't have much of the actual fighting and just big named attacks

[@TrentinArt]

Yeahh that feels like Kurumada's style, though I don't mind it's charming in its own way

[@murderman8578]

@TrentinArt yeah I get it's the style but more could've been done with it and in the Manga it's kinda difficult to tell faces apart

[@jesseowenvillamor6348]

​@@murderman8578Just enjoy Saint Seiya. Sheeesh.

[@murderman8578]

@@jesseowenvillamor6348 I can enjoy and have my issues They're not mutually exclusive

[@egnichiekevin9647]

Another great works, you've made it. Saint Sera have huge success in France too. But, Saint Sera is not my cup of tea. In France he calling Chevalier du Zodiacs. Sasuke Ninden was interesting. Shueisha try to create a banger with it. Mean wild the protagonist has the same, a little bit the same hair then Goku, or Gohan. Whaterver i learn by this mistake to publish different manga after fews years ago ... Kof, Kof Naruto

[@zeoinfinitneospace2134]

Most North American may not like Saint Seiya but I enjoyed it the anime but luckily Crunchyroll got the entire series between English and Japanese

[@MrITSCLOBBERINTIME]

Saint Seiya had a simple story but the gorgeous art style benefited from it! Can you imagine Hunter X Hunter style graphs or info dumps getting in the way?

[@TrentinArt]

Absolutely! It's fast paced and looks great

[@عيسى-ل4ف]

I have question Trentin: Dragon Ball manga had mostly 13-14 pages long chapters throughout its long run, but why is that? I guess Toriyama had the privilege to make the chapters shorter than your average WSJ chapter?

[@TrentinArt]

I can't say for sure but the best theory I've heard is because it started out as a gag comedy manga. To supplement this Dr.Slump was similar, it had a lower page count of 13-14ish pages so maybe whatever contract Toriyama made with Jump/Suieisha had that as a stipulation and he kept it going into DB even when it shifted to be more Battle oriented! That's my best guess anyway

[@muffinzetta3670]

Man I love all the 80s hairstyles

[@TrentinArt]

They're great!!! The Kuon covers are especially crazy

[@muffinzetta3670]

@@TrentinArt so good

[@MadMakishimu]

Metal K indeed sound metal af.

[@TrentinArt]

It is 😎

[@warrenbradford2597]

This another interesting year. Not much new classics, though.

[@TrentinArt]

Not as many yeah, 86 and 87 are relatively light I think, but then 1988 happens haha, i need to read so many manga for that one!

[@warrenbradford2597]

@@TrentinArt I strongly agree with you! Haha!🙂

[@Trish-im9pk]

the amount of research your doing you hosed have more views and subs tbh

[@TrentinArt]

Thank you! Always feels like I should be doing even more tho tbh 😅

[@sabener6255]

Saint seiya and every big work of kuramada was important for manga in general. Already with the Charakters ikki and saga who made the big brother antagonist and the inner traitor/seconde or more personailty villain populare. Already bleach took it as Inspiration from ikki and saga for byakuya and aizen

[@bloodnessx]

Can you make a vid about ultra jump magazine!❤

[@TrentinArt]

One day for sure! I think that'd be a lot of fun!

[@bloodnessx]

@@TrentinArt thank you!, ur vids are really informative⭐️

[@LynnHermione]

Doesn't upas dad dye? Or does that happen later?

[@TrentinArt]

He does die at some point! I might have glossed over it in the video for time reasons

[@MarlonMacielBrando]

Couldn't find "Uwasa no boy" *anywhere.*

[@TrentinArt]

A lot of these older manga are hard to find nevermind translated. You might need to look them up in kanji too, since their translated names might not be 100% accurate

[@ItsJesanime]

yooo clicked on 999 views, guess I'm the 1Kth viewer for another peak vid

[@TrentinArt]

Let's goooo!😎

[@JVision1]

*1000th

[@soup331emd5]

Is that a Lunacid ost I hear?

[@TrentinArt]

Yup! I like to sprinkle it in my vids, especially Book Betrayal the library theme. It's too good ☺️

[@vizy9655]

Loved saint seiya, its essentially just a magical boy series which really hooked me in. Too bad the the reboot of the show isnt as good

[@TrentinArt]

Aww that sucks. I've only read most of the OG but I've heard things get shaky after that

[@JamesGraham-fc8on]

I can't join the discord

[@TrentinArt]

Hmm that odd, I can update the link!

[@JamesGraham-fc8on]

@@TrentinArt thank you

[@maroindefinitlyhuman6857]

Mr. HO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TrentinArt]

Haha i know, I laughed a few times while recording, I should've made some kind of joke

[@raccoonstarsmember]

Kurumada's style isn't pretty. The pretty art style Saint Seiya is known for came from Shingo Araki.

[@TrentinArt]

Highly disagree, from every kurumada work I've read I'd describe his art as pretty, Seiya especially. Though I take no umbrage with Shingo Araki whomever they may be

[@pedrowag868]

​@@TrentinArtShingo Araki is the designer for the anime

[@henryd98]

The Saint seiya manga is so bad, I am still a fan but it really is so terrible and just goes worse and worse with time.

[@TrentinArt]

I wouldn't call it the best thing ever or worst either. Its okay from what I've read

[@elcalabozodelfreak9018]

Lol saint seiya es very well know on the world except in america hahahaha

[@TrentinArt]

😔rip American Saint seiya fans