The Hobbit from 80's TV Rivendell to Goblin capture

[@pedjamigrant7189]

This storytelling is as healthy and ripe as grandmothers stories before you go to bed.

[@LordJagd]

This comment warmed my heart, you hit the nail on the head. This film is a treasure.

[@spkanava]

1977

[@wyattmund9286]

Being so young, I still vividly recall the death of Thorin at the end of the battle being one of the first real moments where I felt war was such a cruel and undesirable thing. Lots of things left an impression.

[@Swiftbow]

Gotta love how blase Elrond is about them recovering Orcrist and Glamdring. Lost weapons of Gondolin aren't exactly a dime a dozen! Glamdring was friggin' wielded by the KING of Gondolin, even.

[@DixiePokerAce]

It took a lot to impress Elrond.

[@spkanava]

1977

[@SovereignStatesman]

That's too much detail for this simplified version. Just like Elrond says "stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks, and the last light of the setting sun will shine upon the keyhole." In the book , it was only on Durin's Day, not just every day. But obviously that's too much detail.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

Even in the books, he's not exactly bug-eyed over them being found in a troll hole two ages and a sunken half continent away from their origin...

[@nicklancial7103]

both were actually they were considered Brother swords and both were used by him in the Goblin Wars (not to mention in NEITHER version animated or live they never mention that most of the dwarves that came to Thorin's aid at the end were Veterans of said war which supposedly made them more to be feared)

[@kettch777]

Glamdring is a sword that had quite a history. During the wars of the First Age, it was forged in the hidden realm of Gondolin for the Elf King Turgon, and he wielded it in several of the major battles of the First Age. Although it eventually fell, Gondolin was the last of all the Noldori realms to fall to Morgoth, and in the end, it was betrayed to the enemy from within rather than being conquered from without. Gandalf and Thorin's discovery was beyond fortunate.

[@ameliawarfield5637]

Very true.

[@blueshit199]

wow, okay

[@diegobareno5820]

This was always my favorite design of Elrond.

[@supermanvibes4343]

Diego Bareno yes sir me as well ! All of them are so mysterious in this version

[@jakusers4724]

Half-elf elrond and arwen half-elves cancalled 1980 return of king arwen cancalled

[@Godravage]

Same. He looks so elegant with his crown of stars.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

I love how the dwarves sleep through a literal avalanche but Bilbo quietly saying "wake up" wakes them right up.

[@SovereignStatesman]

And then they all go running INTO the goblins' cave, rather than out the door.

[@nathanieltheoneandonly5933]

I love how in the book and this adaptation, Thorin is actually fond of the Elves and has no grudge against them

[@jdspencer60]

Elrond's Crown of Stars. So epic

[@Mxyzptlksac]

I wonder what was the inspiration for that

[@67nairb]

This Hobbit version has the original sound effects from the 1970s movie. In the 2000s vhs and dvd versions, the elf song, "Here Down in the Valley" or whatever it's called is continually playing when Elrond is examining Gandalf's and Thorin's troll swords.

[@Chef_Alpo]

That's terrible, I haven't seen this since the early 90s but the soundtrack and SFX were iconic. I heard that there was damage or something of the like that prevented a proper transfer to dvd, not sure if this is the case across the board with all versions post VHS production, but if so what a tragedy!!

[@67nairb]

@@Chef_Alpo I assume that SFX stands for sound effects.

[@josephjohnson6849]

@@Chef_Alpo would explain the "the eagles"

[@josephjohnson6849]

I figured there were singers nearby the table.

[@67nairb]

LOL!!!@@josephjohnson6849

[@nomorerocketships]

I'm torn between this old relic and the Peter Jackson films - they honestly both have qualities about them that I like, and both have things I don't like. I can understand if you're a kid who grew up with the PJ films & just can't get into this, but this cartoon was never a big hit or anything it's just an obscure animation that had a cult following back then and still does.

[@AgentSmartnumber86]

Luke Raven well I grew up with the cartoons so I think they are better but the Peter Jackson ones were good too

[@shawnmulligan2894]

I like this one better. The artwork is interesting and I love the voice cast. The Peter Jackson Hobbits are just way too stretched out so Jackson can make more money and yet they leave out a lot. Too much unnecessary subplot info that is not needed or really wanted. This film leaves out a bit but really gets most of the story and all in the perfect time length

[@BrettWMcCoy]

This was pretty huge when it came out in 1977, since it was the first filmed adaption of any Tolkien work -- and was the same year Star Wars came out -- a great year for an impressionable 12 year old! This was my first introduction to Tolkien and led to a lifelong obsession. I will credit with the Rankin-Bass (and Bakshi) for doing a better job of sticking to the original storyline better, even if they didn't have the huge epic spectacle of the PJ films. I think it was sad PJ also pretty much ignored almost all of the songs from the original novels, where even the Orcs participated. The "harsh singing" of the Orcs in Bakshi's version as they march on Helm's Deep is right out of the books. Sad that Maury Laws, who adapted much of Tolkien's poetry to music for this TV movie, died recently, too. :-(

[@67nairb]

this animated Hobbit was 100 times better than Jackson's version of the story.

[@birdy369]

Havent gotten to see the entirely PJ version of The hobbit, and never have seen this at all, hoping to watch both in their entirety after I read the whole series again. LOTR marathon at my place soon 😜😁

[@phuzface]

Thurl Ravenscroft’s deep singing voice is unmistakable albeit uncredited in this ost

[@erikabutler6893]

4:18 I like how Thorin has a look of defiance rather than fear on his face, unlike all his companions.

[@SovereignStatesman]

That's how he looks PERMANENTLY. He wasn't defiant in the book, saying "at your service." The goblins were going to hold the Dwarves for ransom, until they found the sword.

[@emmaphilo4049]

I wish someone did an animated version ofThe Hobbit or of LOTR again....

[@MikazukiNomiko]

It wouldn’t be like these and they’d probably be waaaaayy to modern to feel Tolkien

[@megabilbo9108]

Wait no more. "The War of the Rohirrim" is expected to come out in 2024

[@jeremyreckmeyer1341]

Why? This is already incredible. It could never be topped.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I like the Hobbit. But if someone wants to break up LotR into 6 parts, go for it!

[@skysoldier1127]

There is, The Hobbit 1977 animated made-for-tv show, and the return of the King 1980 animated made-for-tv

[@bradenjones3620]

This is awesome! Love the sound effects in the Goblin scene.

[@67nairb]

Moon letters, how enchanting.

[@wyattmund9286]

Glad to see you still respond to comments! The Hobbit is one of my most beloved stories (my Dad would read chapters at a time when I was very little), and this cartoon on VHS (and later DVD) was another early childhood favorite. Though I was born well after this era, 1998, my Dad was a fan of this cartoon thanks to being a child of the 70’s. It’s still one of the great, primordial adventures for me - and shapes a lot of what I love in stories. The music and each step of the journey are all etched in my mind, I remember how terrifying this band of goblins felt to me at the time - how wonderful the singing and landscape where - the sense of having come such a long way and being changed forever. I will always treasure this movie and am forever grateful some enthusiasts have attempted to preserve and restore it to its fullness. It’s one of the greats.

[@Spokavriel]

There is still a vinyl LP copy of the entire movie audio with it correctly mixed for Stereo that you might be able to find a copy of, It might be fun to play it along with the DVD to see how well it syncs.

[@Jakegothicsnake]

Well, Elrond in this adaptation is better looking than Thranduil. In this version, Thranduil looks more like an elf with ancestry mixed with the ancestries of goblins and dryads.

[@BrianSmith-jx7td]

I guess the creators took it literally when it was said that the elves of mirkwood were wilder than their kin

[@glorfindelchocolateflowery6392]

Hilarious

[@67nairb]

@@BrianSmith-jx7td They look more like mutant monkeys.

[@norellmarksalaan9587]

@@BrianSmith-jx7td but thranduil is not an silvan elf. He's a sindar elf .

[@Goldenbane]

@@norellmarksalaan9587 And Elrond IS half human, after all!

[@bambostarla6259]

I never watched this version of the hobbit until now. What a hidden jem

[@Stackedwithcash]

I like the elvish song. The soundtrack version is different but I like this version better

[@nathancruz9172]

0:18 Me too.

[@Ratigast99]

@@nathancruz9172 Me three!

[@carmenreeves2411]

I agree, the sound of multiple people singing, or perhaps it’s one person singing with an echo or something but it just sounds fuller than the standalone soundtrack song.

[@nicklancial7515]

thank you for using the original audio version ....its so weird in the new version where chains don't make a sound when brandished...wish someone would upload the full original version of this movie

[@curtthegamer934]

It's on Internet Archive

[@kingsaulholymanfunnyman9688]

I like these Elves the best

[@anthonyparadiso1a]

As opposed to the elves in Jackson's movies?

[@mariaw.4780]

This clip is beyond gold--better than anything in the PJackon version !!

[@huverdoose]

"Who are these miserable persons?!" - -Mumm Ra the Everliving- - The Goblin King

[@LeeroyPorkins]

Mr. Slate

[@SovereignStatesman]

The GREAT Goblin.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@LeeroyPorkins DON MESSICK.

[@LeeroyPorkins]

@@SovereignStatesman Mr. Slate (John Stephenson) was the Great Goblin. Don Messick was the Goblin who said "HE IS A LIAR OH TRUELY TREMENDOUS ONE! ASK HIM TO EXPLAIN HIS WEAPON! THIS SWORD IS ORCRIST! THE GOBLIN CLEAVER!"

[@cooper1253]

It's from the 70s ... Actaully 1977

[@mrtelevision]

He meant that this is from a 1980s television broadcast. He was not refering to when the film actually came out.

[@manowaraxbjj]

nice original audio I love the chain sounds effects

[@christopherspaulding9283]

Just realized that there are two Captain Hooks in this scene. Thorin is voiced by Hans Conried, and Elrond by Cyril Ritchard.

[@destinymcintire2188]

3:30-4:26 this song and scene always scared and delighted me as a child.

[@thecyborg7508]

Not me, I wish the soundtrack had this version of "In the Valley" instead of Yarbrough.

[@pedroquintanilla9035]

thecyborg same omg.

[@tomnordquist9209]

This is more how I pictured it when I read these books as a kid, couldn't make it through the moneymakers

[@ameliawarfield5637]

This is story telling at its finest!

[@JCT1926]

I actually think that this is better than Jackson's Hobbit trilogy. The main reason being that this wasn't suffering from massive bloat, and was tonally consistent (pure fun and camp). Overall it's just a very fun little movie however silly.

[@rsauchuck]

The runes they show when Elrond is reading the moon letters are actually the regular runes. They read “five feet high the door and three may walk abreast “

[@Spokavriel]

i know the moon letters are below the mountain mid map. where you stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks and the last light of Durin's Day will shine upon the keyhole.

[@Mxyzptlksac]

@@Spokavrielthe dialogue from Bilbo in the Troll cave tells that there’s writing under the hand

[@Spokavriel]

@@Mxyzptlksac The writing by the finger are not the words that tell about the thrush knocking its the text mentioning the last light of Durrins day below the middle of the map. The text Rankin Bass showed as the moon letters are always visible on the map as described in the book ;)

[@Mxyzptlksac]

@@Spokavriel yes I’m aware of that. In the book it was the text under the mountain. But in the troll cave bilbo says , “This hand points from these runes… “ there are no runes on the map near the hand

[@Spokavriel]

@@Mxyzptlksac And he says it because he can see those runes on the side of the map, it was a Rankin Bass mistake to hide any of that margin.

[@garet451]

The music for that movie and story line is simply among the best

[@IllithidKittea]

I wish I could find the elves ver of In the valley ha!ha!

[@frankie2time298]

Am I the only one that thinks the goblins look like pissed off frogs With teeth

[@67nairb]

They looked like mutant bulldogs to me.

[@spunkyspaz]

REEEEEEEEE !

[@ramingo9534]

Where there are teeth, there's a way

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

Horned bull dogs comes to mind.

[@diegoantoniobaezareyes8891]

Inspired by Spiderwick Chronicles?

[@Shademp]

Thank you so much for uploading this gem!

[@celestepalm6949]

I honestly don't see why Warner Bros. can't take the audio tracks from The Hobbit's 1st release clamshell tapes & remaster them into a fully-restored DVD release of this '77 animated gem of The Hobbit. It's quite frankly appalling how shabbily this emmy-worthy animated film's been treated.

[@calenielthranduillion5134]

Imagine elrond singing this XD better when its Hugo weaving

[@hobbitfan8686]

0:41 I always laugh when when Bilbo slides down!

[@Rombizio]

Way more accurate than the movies.

[@aaronrican5060]

This is bringing back my childhood

[@Nickel_The_Wise]

holy mothers of invention, I haven't heard this mix of the movie in years!! I'm surely not alone in the section in saying a lot of SFX are missing from the DVD version, and I hate that! That wonderful shriek of metal on metal when that goblin brandishes the chains, it was one of the first times I remember as a kid that maybe bein' bad might be cooler than being good~

[@sikujacob4556]

I swear this whole story is one big game of D&D. I love it

[@sandal_thong8631]

One wonders what would have become of D&D and the fantasy genre without Tolkien?

[@muffinboymcgee7411]

​@@sandal_thong8631 D&D was more directly inspired by pulp swords and sorcery like Conan the Barbarian, the Dying Earth and Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser than it was inspired by Tolkien's works. Without Lords of the Rings, it probably wouldn't have cloaks of elvenkind, invisibility rings, halflings, orcs or treants, but it would likely still exist.

[@Original_Icegod101]

Funny how this was made a year before the village people started releasing music

[@curtthegamer934]

One thing that's always bothered me about this version is that they got the moon runes wrong. The ones here actually say "Five feet high the door and three may walk abreast." The ones Elrond reads are down in the bottom right quarter of the map, and are present even before he holds it up to the moon. A minor movie mistake, but still a bit bothersome. It doesn't take away from the quality of the movie though. It's an awesome movie.

[@mobus1603]

The sound of the Goblin chains is missing from the DVD version! Why does new stuff always have critical flaws that make other improvements not worth having?

[@Nickel_The_Wise]

I can't answer that! this whole movie was made more intense by those effects. I just remember this being my favorite part as a kid, just because of the panic of the whole scene~ *WAKE UP, WE'RE BEING ROBBED!!*

[@huverdoose]

The sound of Orcrist being unsheathed in Goblin Town is really shitty, too. I heard that the original film was damaged in a fire and had to be pieced back together for the DVD.

[@shawnmulligan2894]

Yes, the original 35mm HD sound master was lost to a fire shortly after the VHS releases. A lower quality sound edit was found and restored but it was missing many sound effects.

[@Mesarphelous]

Google "The Hi-Fi Hobbit" for a version with good visuals and sound.

[@cym634]

the sound of the spiders and goblins being vanquished are missing too.

[@Jakegothicsnake]

Well actually in Middle-Earth/Arda, Half-Elves are more just elves, but have a choice in which spiritual destiny well happen to them. Elrond choose to be counted among the immortal elves, so he will forever, while his brother Elros, and his daughter Arwen choose to be counted among mortal men, so they eventually died. Plus it is possible for elves to have beards. Cirdan and Mahtan being good examples. ;)

[@firedrakeofgondolin3956]

Middle earth is a continenet whereas Arda is the entire earth

[@pedroquintanilla9035]

Jakegothicsnake do you think middle earth is Europe?

[@erinlogan182]

"In those days of our tale there were still some people who have both Elves and heroes of the North for ancestors, and Elrond [...] was their chief"... Half-Elves are actually half.

[@Swiftbow]

@@pedroquintanilla9035 Middle-Earth, the known map, mostly covers Europe, yes. But Harad would be part of African, and Rhun (to the east) enters Asia. Mordor is somewhat near Turkey. There's a larger world map in "The Atlas of Middle-Earth" that shows it. It's kind of a proto-Eurasia/Africa, with the continents resembling the modern versions, but not fully formed. The Bay of Belfalas, for example (which ends near Minas Tirith) is the future Mediterranean Sea, but is much wider and is not really a separate sea.

[@kleptosepto1848]

this original version has a fuller sound with sound effects that have been removed in newer prints.

[@JoelSeMontre]

OH MY FUCKING MOTHER OF GOD ...

[@raydude4969]

I wish the DVD would have the sound effects the VHS had.

[@UglyHans]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I wonder what went wrong.

[@cuchulain55]

oh yess cirdan and mahtan aare two pretty good examples of beared elves.:)

[@Nickel_The_Wise]

SEEEEE??

[@TehCookieSpartan]

He read the wrong runes. Those runes say "Five feet high the door and three may walk abreast. -Th. Th." I think Tolkien is glad he wasn't around to see this, bless his soul.

[@supermanvibes4343]

Paragon Josh depends on which runes you are going by... ancient.. modern so many

[@bambostarla6259]

Its an adaptation...

[@BramGroatFilms]

By Jove, you're right! I've seen the DVD version many times, and a lot of the sound effects aren't there but are here! For example, the sound when Bilbo slides at 0:41 (poor Bilbo) is absent! Would you happen to have Rolling Down the Hole? At the beginning of the DVD version there should be a splash sound effect but isn't; is there a splash in this version here?

[@danielemondmusic]

3:42 Bilbo runs like a little wind up toy

[@hobbitfan8686]

0:09 HERE DOWN IN THE VALLEY Song starts!

[@user-uj9zj4uv5r]

I love the 1977 classic of the cartoon of the hobbit so much

[@SwordwomanRiona]

Elrond with a goatee????? *shudders with horror*

[@Books_Anime_92]

Elrond is a Half Elf or a Peredhil. So he would possibly have a beard.

[@heinrichschmehl611]

@@Books_Anime_92 some elves grow beards with great age, like Cirdan.

[@linck7up]

to this day i did not know where the tune for "go lemmiwinks stop wikileaks" came from

[@SirAlazar]

"go lemmiwinks, stop WikiLeaks".

[@draccoonxcii1288]

Cyril Ritchard and Hans Conried. Two famous Captain Hooks in one scene together.

[@paddypup1836]

Elrond doing a Sherlock

[@bartman898]

I think my ex wife was a Hobbit.

[@augustopasquier7895]

You like small women?

[@theshadow3001]

I bought this on tape and I gave it to one of my nieces as a gift backway when

[@joshmahoney4955]

This makes me want to watch the old show now.

[@contact3604]

Delightful♥😊 Moira From England. 👍👍👍👍👍

[@sarahkateflores3309]

I remember watching this film all the time when i was a child i loved it yet it had used to scar me at moments .

[@RevBryanCOTW]

1970s

[@Spokavriel]

80's is when it was recorded off of broadcast TV. As opposed to when it was made.

[@67nairb]

It was from 1977.

[@DuelKingYami]

I’m biased in favor of this version because this was the adaptation I grew up with

[@Crusader-Ramos45]

I like both versions of the Hobbit, both this and Peter Jackson’s Hobbit movies.

[@nathancruz9172]

0:22-2:45 I remember watching this movie in 5th grade, after reading the novel, since I repeated the grade level in private school. 3:16 look out! 3:36-3:38, 3:51-3:55 goblins 4:09-4:11 ⛓

[@aliciasanchez6699]

Elrond 😍😍❤️❤️💕💕

[@67nairb]

I've read the Hobbit a number of times. But did Elrond really have that halo around his head?

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

He's described as wearing a circlet of silver.

[@67nairb]

Oh. Glenn Yarborough, musician and singer of the Hobbit Song, The Greatest Adventure, died about a month ago.

[@67nairb]

Did he have that circlet of silver in the book?

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

brian sedlock I know he has it in The Lord of the Rings.

[@67nairb]

thanks.

[@Nockturnmortem]

Oh yes indeeed there are mooon letters here, seeeee?

[@eslmhs]

Why does this movie look better on both standard definition and VHS than both HD and Blu-ray?

[@Spokavriel]

Because of the crime of remastering. The TV broadcasts and VHS were digital transfers of the theatrical release print. The "remaster" team admitted to doing it without all the resources. If you are missing parts dont remaster, Rhino transformers dvds have the same problems at points.

[@hrtreaper72]

This isn't an 80's movie,it aired in November 1977.

[@Spokavriel]

The point is how long they use to let it run between commercial breaks, Not when it was made. It was recorded off of TV in a range from either 83 to 88

[@michaelmccoy4506]

Wait why didn't oakenshield fight back and why the hell didn't any of these dwarves bring any fighting weapon and armor

[@Spokavriel]

caught sleeping when only the burglar crying out about the ponies was all the alert they had. Tolkien wasnt thinking strategically and did it more like campers taken by a band of thieves. its a clear weak moment in the story.

[@michaelmccoy4506]

More importantly why are the dwarves in this version portrayed as old and feeble

[@SoonGone]

Glamdring! Fantastic name for a sword ⚔️

[@pironwiked3510]

Why does elrond look like an actual bright elf but the mirkwood elves looked like frogs and lizards

[@Spokavriel]

Because Elrond and his kin are High Elves, The others are sindarin if I remember it right.

[@pironwiked3510]

@@Spokavriel Still the same race

[@Spokavriel]

@@pironwiked3510 So you can't see how living in a city and having been descended from people who have been to the undying lands can make a difference from living in caves subsisting on wines and fresh hunted game and only the ruling family having city life? By your argument there should be no difference in appearance between any humans in the world. Just for another example. "Same Race"

[@Swiftbow]

@@Spokavriel Elves don't have enough generations to alter that much in appearance. Thranduil is like a second generation Sindar. He might even be first... I'm not certain. Also, lol... not many cultures "subsist" on wine. That is generally considered to be a luxury item.

[@SovereignStatesman]

The problem here, is that Gandalf WASN'T gone; he woke up because of Bilbo's warning, and so he wasn't captured. So Bilbo saved them all; and this deprives him of credit. Just like Bilbo got the troll-key by making them fight; which also allowed them to get their swords, which is how they fought their way out of Goblin-town.

[@curtthegamer934]

The first point is indeed true, and is a bit disappointing. However, with the second point, although the cave doesn't have a door on it (which is a reasonable omission given the timeslot for TV movies), Bilbo is actually the one to alert the dwarves to the presence of the troll cave in this version, so it seems the people who made this still wanted Bilbo to be involved somehow.

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@curtthegamer934 True, but it wasn't hard to find.

[@67nairb]

Why not show all of the 70s HOBBIT cartoon with original sound effects.

[@Spokavriel]

There are still copies of the VHS out there which didn't have their effects messed up. Uploading the whole thing just invites people to use my copy instead of buying it. And sadly that might lead to people throwing away their VHS they can't resell.

[@67nairb]

Unfortunately I don't have a VCR anymore. Actually, I still do but it's obsolete since the intro of dvds that makes my vhs tapes obsolete.

[@Spokavriel]

But as anyone who owns a Film Projector can tell you Obsolete is far from the same as useless or valueless.

[@67nairb]

obsolete means outdated, right?

[@Spokavriel]

Technically it means something newer, that does the same thing, either better or costs less to make, exists. Its not exclusive, just have to have a newer way that is at least just as good.

[@kyledayton7829]

Did they just refer to the war of Jewels as "The Goblin wars"?

[@Spokavriel]

No they mention the last great war with Sauron also known as the last great alliance of men and elves as the Goblin Wars. The Jewel war was pre-sauron dealing with Melkor.

[@kyledayton7829]

@@Spokavriel I knew that. I meant that the swords were made in Gondolin witch was saced during the War of Jewels.

[@Spokavriel]

Rankin Bass simplification. Gondolin did survive beyond that time but goblins were cannon fodder in all the wars. This clip didn't even mention Gondolin.

[@kettch777]

@@Spokavriel No, Gondolin was sacked at the end of the First Age. Earendil the Blessed and his mother fled as the city was sacked, and it was Gondolin's fall that led Earendil to undertake his voyage to Valinor to beseech the aid of the Valar. It likely was Elrond's father, Earendil, who bore the sword out of the fall of Gondolin, which Elrond of course would know but does not mention.

[@Swiftbow]

It's partly because the Hobbit was written as a stand-alone fairy tale, but Tolkien sprinkled in some bits from the massive fantasy backstory side project he'd been working on forever. Lord of the Rings started the same way, but about a quarter of the way through writing Fellowship, he decided to officially put the Hobbit and LotR into the same universe. As part of that, he also changed some parts of the Hobbit in newer printings. Primarily the parts to do with the Ring... in the first edition, Gollum gives Bilbo the Ring as a reward for winning the Riddle Game and then happily leads him out. That earlier rendition of events is mentioned in Lord of the Rings as the way Bilbo originally wrote it, before Gandalf called him on the lie and he fixed it. (Tolkien also justified it as the Ring working on Bilbo from the start, the same way Gollum constantly called the Ring his "birthday present" as a means to justify murdering Deagol for it in his head.) So yeah... I haven't checked, but I think the book refers to the swords being used in the Goblin Wars, too. But, after retconning, that is definitely the War of the Jewels Elrond is mentioning, and he should really be more excited that they found King Turgon's sword.

[@croweman6515]

I do believe Peter Jackson captured the Dwarves' hostility towards the Elves better in his films. Especially if you know the full history of the 2 races rivalry, it goes all the way back to the First Age. While the war is not clearly stated in them, the conflict of the Dwarves of Nogrod, and the Elves of Doraith is heavily referenced in the films, especially the extended edition, through the "White Gems Of Lasgalen", in place of the "Nauglamir", and I believe Tolkien (while definitely conflicted, borderline hating the films) would appreciate the references like that. Know What I Mean?

[@Swiftbow]

There is also some considerable resentment regarding Moria... many dwarves took it personally that the elves didn't try to help them retake it. Many of the elves, in fact, helped spread the propaganda that the dwarves "dug too greedily and too deep," which, given that the Balrog arrived well AFTER Moria had already been there for thousands of years, isn't really an accurate summary of events.

[@mickkimmings6186]

Better than Peter Jackson

[@HunterPhenomMakoy]

Godspeed Lemmiwinks!

[@ayylmao575]

Why does Elrond have facial hair?

[@Spokavriel]

Elrond is Half Elven. The other half being Human, if he wants a clean youthful face he's gotta shave He also has the Fun of Aging.

[@Spokavriel]

@Archaic Earth No the Lay of Luthien is actually the story of Elrond's Parents. The Elf Princess who fell in love with a Mortal Man.

[@diegobareno5820]

Elrond is Half Elf?

[@Spokavriel]

@@diegobareno5820 It was tolkien's way of subtly saying Elrond's parents are Berd and Luthien which is why the Lay of Luthien was played at that night's dinner. A way to remember those who were lost the last time evil stirred as the company brought tidings of the trolls of the ettinmoors attacking people on the greenway.

[@erinlogan182]

@@Spokavriel Um... Beren and Luthien were Elrond's great grandparents. In LotR there's a comment about Bilbo's cheek of making songs about Earendil (Elrond's father) in the House of Elrond.

[@QUIRK1019]

Those aren't the moon-runes! That's the part that says "five feet high the door and three may walk abreast"

[@kanrup5199]

I like this design look for Elrond. proper elf.

[@BranakinSkywalker]

Weirdly enough, a lot of these sound effects don’t really show up well on the DVD version.

[@Spokavriel]

That is because when they did the DVD someone decided to move most of the ambient sounds and effects to surround sound. So someone with an early dolby 5.1 setup gets all the sound but when it tries to remix for stereo or mono they are left out.

[@cuchulain55]

well he is a half elf.;)

[@Aissakur]

RARE VERSION: Down In The Valley, Ha Ha! The Grey Elves' version. (Elvish is a Tolkien Language, this song is always in English ✌😉)

[@mkaplan1383]

Lord Elron, before he became Agent Smith....

[@skysoldier1127]

It wasn't 1980s, this particular video is from the animated made-for-tv 1977 The Hobbit

[@Spokavriel]

Sky Soldier the point is when it was broadcast not created. That was when the copy was recorded.

[@skysoldier1127]

@@Spokavriel yeah because I remember watching this in 1979 when it was aired on TV, but either way doesn't really matter it was a good animated production

[@gsampson97]

The Lemmiwinks v Wikileaks theme at 3:29 did not know that's where south park got it from

[@patrickferguson8775]

The last part used to scare the shit out of me as a child

[@celestepalm6949]

The Great Goblin opening his huge maw did it for me. Awesome design on him.

[@dannyb3044]

god this Gollum scared the fuck out of me

[@Gentamoru]

+danny b this whole movies scares the fuck out of me

[@infudum]

same for back in the day

[@datemasamune2904]

Then the elves look nothing like they do at the final battle. XD

[@jamessparkman6604]

Someone ought to do a commentary in memory of orsen bean

[@jamessparkman6604]

On this film

[@potzblitz6577]

They should name him Gone-again-dalf.

[@coleentomshany8749]

This is the original VHS audio

[@coleentomshany8749]

Yes it is

[@paulaccuardi9071]

@@coleentomshany8749 did you forget to switch to your alt account?

[@Spokavriel]

VHS audio as well as broadcast beta and film print stereo mix. there wasn't a variant track until the god awful remastering mistakes.

[@curtthegamer934]

@@Spokavriel The "remastered" audio is actually taken from the official album of the movie. It was a vinal record that was the full audio of the movie sans most of the sound effects.

[@Spokavriel]

@@curtthegamer934 I suspected it. I just wish someone with foley experience had been in on the remaster to preserve the whole work of art.