Uncovering the Truth. New Evidence in the Idaho College Murders? The Emily Show Ep. 192

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

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[@lypscratch]

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[@CyborgMaMa]

Shapewear, fingernail systems & manscaping. I’m 3/4 way through this video and must admit i hope there are no more commercials. 3 is 1 too many, IMO. I pay for premium KZbin so i don’t have to watch them. I understand you need sponsors & i love ya but….

[@podunkcitizen2562]

The Daybell murders, the college murders, what's happening in Idaho?

[@laurahenriksen19]

Ps my toilet paper is newly stocked 😂

[@gryffent]

Emily. I am very disconcerted by the surprising number of people in the comments who think it’s just fine that his sisters were fired from their jobs for simply sharing the same last name. I thought this community would be more understanding that making more victims out of this horrific case is Not OK! Innocent family members of the victims are suffering so it’s ok that his sisters lose their job?? I’m not going to read any more comments today. Love you, love the people who tried pointing out that two things can be true at the same time, but I’m disturbed by too many of the others I’ve read who think it’s just fine. I get that it’s a big, high profile case, but it’s not for me. I’m with you for many other cases you cover, but not this one. Your comments about the Daily Mail click bait headline being repeated over and over is indicative of what’s seriously wrong with the world.

[@nhuff73]

The sisters should sue for wrongful termination. No matter what Bryan did or didn’t do, our family doesn’t make our choice for us.

[@DTAever]

PA is an at will state, they can fire anyone at any time.

[@thomasoaxaca3379]

If the state in which the sisters reside is an "at hire" or "right to work" state, the employer can terminate employment without cause.

[@deborl7278]

​@@thomasoaxaca3379 i would imagine the family is devistated. Public puts alot of pressure on the family of a perpetrator. And people do loose jobs over a family member. We are living in dark times. Maybe it was always like that. Internet just makes us aware

[@marsy1480]

The sisters have nothing to do with the brother's potential crime. They should be left alone and not vilified. They probably need support too.

[@teresas.4541]

Yes, but so do their do their ex workers .

[@pamelajudithrwanyarare8429]

I am a little suspicious and kind of find that these sisters may not have been fired due to their brother but this is a game being played by the family to garner sympathy. It does not make sense to fire them and if that was the case why are they not suing for unfair dismissal. This man and now his family may be playing mind games with the public and will influence how the jury view him. I want more details about their firing to believe this.

[@gryffent]

Adding more supposition doesn’t do anything to help. I generally try to reserve comments about facts not in evidence such as you have done in this comment. It’s along the same line as the Daily Mail click bait headline. It says one thing with no evidence at all.

[@marsy1480]

@@gryffent yes, I’m only going off what has been presented on this channel. Of course, without all the evidence, both known and yet undiscovered, one does not know who or what is involved.

[@teresas.4541]

@@pamelajudithrwanyarare8429 you cant sue in most states for being fired. Hire at will, fire at will. They can be offered severance or they can collect unemployment if fired without just cause.

[@jettyoeill]

It’s not right that Bryan’s sisters have lost their jobs. I feel terrible for his family, so sad!

[@tommiegnosis]

It's disgusting. Think about the trauma they're experiencing from this sitch. Like, they're victims too. Not every family is the Laundries.

[@jettyoeill]

@@tommiegnosis Agreed!

[@honeybadger3570]

I think it's every human's right to not feel safe around someone and then choose to eliminate them from their atmosphere. Companies need to keep all of their employees safe - not just worry about only 1 employee. Unfortunately nasty humans will threaten Companies and their other employees w/ violence (it ain't right but we all know it happens) just for keeping that 1 that causes the uproar even if it's not their fault at all. Do I feel compassion for the family suffering the consequences of their son/brother's actions 😢 YES absolutely *BUT* I also will not judge or chastise those trying to only protect themselves, their company and ALL of their employees safety and well being by cutting ties with that family. Not sorry - I wouldn't want any interaction with any of them either. Every human has the right to feel safe in their environment and/or workplace

[@LK-lz6lk]

@@honeybadger3570 You're right about keeping employees safe - but, that should include an employee who's done nothing wrong. Take (legal) action against the one doing wrong, the person(s) making threats - not punish the innocent. Only would deter employees from notifying their employer of a potential threat (ex, stalker etc.) if fear of losing their job for doing so. That sure doesn't help keep anyone safe. Plus, giving the one making threats what they want, only encourages more of it. I understand your POV tho just not so sure it's the proper & fair solution.✌️

[@desertsunset8025]

​@L K I think that their customers , patients , didn't feel comfortable and changed counselors. The company probably had no choice if no one wanted to be counseled by the sisters . I would change my name at this point .

[@karlbergen6826]

You are a most a careful attorney. You protect both sides. Your channel is always very educational. I like educational programming. I've learned a lot from you.

[@desertsunset8025]

When she goes through a trial she is a wealth of information to those of us who don't understand the court system .

[@chelsey8737]

Yeah and she's always clear in facts vs opinions vs grey areas. I've learned to frame everything as possible or alleged to avoid making incorrect or harmful claims

[@MaureenBruce-g1s]

Here's a useless bit of info for you. The glove box was invented by an early woman driving pioneer, way back in the day of landau style cars, to keep her gloves in. After an incident with a cart driver who whipped her as she passed him, she also used it to keep a loaded gun in.

[@fluffypink6unny]

Interesting!

[@Lorgy2]

That was actually quite interesting

[@Doxymeister]

Early woman is my sister from another mother! "Forget diamonds, Smith and Wesson is a girl's best friend!"

[@justjessy0115]

The best invention for women's protection besides the tampons & pads 😂.

[@Kitronic11]

​@@justjessy0115 😂😂😂

[@betterwiththeirish]

It is absolutely wrong for the sisters to lose their jobs!

[@jenx818]

I agree. Sucks to be them! People blame them & they didn’t do anything.

[@melsafken764]

They have legal recourse. They should push back. Because the loss of the their jobs creates sympathy for Brian. It could be to their benefit.

[@mtz6198]

@@melsafken764 They do not have recourse. A family relationship to an accused criminal is not a protected class. Legally their employers can fire them even though it's morally wrong.

[@Ryan-hk8bx]

​@@mtz6198You can not be fired from your job because a family member committed a crime. They absolutely can and should fight back with an employment/labour lawyer.

[@TabbyKatt69]

If you live in a (free will) state the employer can fire the employee for no given reason and that is one law that needs to be changed it’s so unfair

[@ivanavenema42]

Thank you Emily for teaching and guiding readers to sift thru misinformation and clickbait. It’s so important.

[@ShadowWizard123]

Public interest in this case is nearly bottomless. Unscrupulous news agencies are definitely pushing the boundaries of journalistic integrity. (I'm looking at you, NewsNation)

[@jenniferlynne3314]

Amen. And there are so many KZbin channels that are even worse too. It’s disheartening and disgusting to me.

[@Lorgy2]

I agree, I confess I am interested but would prefer to read about/see the facts/evidence in the case as opposed to all of the click bait that's going around. I do worry that all the reporting may result in an unfair trial. If he is guilty I want Justice to be done and if he is innocent I want Justice to be done.

[@emilyphillips6835]

I’ve stopped watching NN, the clickbait is disgusting.

[@mtz6198]

@@emilyphillips6835 +1. Happy I unsubscribed.

[@aClownBaby-]

Yeah that judge gave them free range with that gag order. No one can debunk or push back on their reporting. Judge caused what they wanted to avoid x100

[@phylly5576]

I thought gossip was bad growing up in a small town and then they invented the internet. It’s helpful to me personally you pointing out where these headlines are coming from. You are the best!

[@elaineelaine2852]

Hi, First time I came acr oss you. You’re great !!😀 love your reasoning and honesty. You seemly kno your meat and potatoes as another host on Utube explains his true a proven facts on this case . Now I have at least 2 people I can rely on. Iam so absorbed into this case that my head is spinning. Ever day I see the images of those four kids. I can’t get them out of my mind. Please help get justice for them, no matter what the outcome. Thank You and God bless you and send you in the right direction. 👁🙏🏼❤️😅

[@aliciafadrowsky9532]

Thank you for talking about this Emily and clarifying it for people. The news nation reports concerned me because I couldn't find any concrete info to back them up and other similar reports only referred to news nation. This should teach us all, take everything you hear with a grain of salt, especially from media who purport to report facts.

[@catherineklerowski4591]

Tired of these media types are out right liars!!!! Shame on News Nation! Why I don’t watch them!!!!

[@Dominique_99]

I cringe whenever I hear the name Ashley Banfield now.

[@stpfs9281]

News filter, reputation extensions?

[@nelliecarpenter2022]

Thank you for covering this. Honestly, this is why I don't listen to news or click bait articles because, really there shouldn't be anything else coming out until June. I lost all faith in News Nation when they interviewed one of the Idaho victims' mother regarding the, so called, conflict of interest. It was pretty clear they were using her for views made me feel ick. I really enjoy your content and your continued pursuit of facts. I really hope his sisters did not lose their jobs just because they are related.

[@abbypierce4196]

I truly feel for the family. They are going to have to change their names if they want any sense of privacy in the coming years.

[@stpfs9281]

That's what bankrupted companies do, change the name and start again, sometimes with the same directors!

[@susansmith4268]

So sad but so true.

[@leslied125]

Newsnation has been completely irresponsible. They need a couple of good lawsuits.

[@dudemorris7769]

Absolutely!

[@melsafken764]

Not really. We do not know, one way or the other. I would think that newsnation would be careful not to put them selves at risk of being sued.

[@Kitronic11]

​@@melsafken764 just would think but that's not always the case

[@sbrooke210]

@@melsafken764 they've already done that quite a few times. They rank about as high as Nancy Grace with integrity

[@sweetsugarjones]

I fail to understand why News Nation finds it necessary to try this case in the court of public opinion. I wish they would get back in their lane, there’s no shortage of other stories to report on.

[@tj8114]

Thank you so much for being such a responsible content creator. You are a rare gem. In a world where speculation and gossip are presented as fact, internet sources are virtually impossible to verify, and everyone has “their truth”, the actual truth and facts are usually lost. Your integrity is impressive, as was your TEDtalk.

[@psychologynerd0423]

I’m an industrial organizational psychologist and former journalist. I have to say that it baffles and appalls me that there is so much work that needs to be done to legally protect workers. As you said, he is innocent as of right now and his family has nothing to do with this. Also, even if his sisters were fired if he had been found guilty, that’s still wrong. They are their own people. I feel for his family. As for this stuff being reported on in the media. It crosses the boundaries of ethical journalism. I quickly left the field and went the psychology route. This information should’ve never been reported on, especially since they know there’s a gag order. I don’t trust the media today and couldn’t work as a journalist because they do not align with my values. This story is very disheartening.

[@sheriwitthoft5895]

This discussion is spot on. I feel like such a law nerd- because I was so interested in the ‘source’ and what was driving the headlines

[@santafilipina9020]

Thank you for talking about circular reporting. Never rely on one single source.

[@Dogmom1]

I am so glad you are doing this segment EDB. I stopped listening to all the theories, speculation and garbage because it's all CLICK BAIT at this point, imo. I don't know if BK is guilty or not. This should not Affect his family and their livelihoods either.

[@TheMissPoovey]

I agree Especially since there’s rumbles about the roommates’ story not really adding up.

[@JemIsMyName-o]

The click bait is really upsetting. Just the facts, this is what I’m interested in and this is what Emily brings.

[@katego370]

I absolutely agree with you but I think the main problem here is the silence the court has forced upon everyone involved. A judge cannot shut down the court of public opinion and I find it extremely arrogant of this judge to think that she can. However, you can influence _what_ people say and how they say it. Ordering silence leaves an empty space that will always be filled with speculation. The circus of garbage that the media has created around this case is in large part due to the extreme use of duct tape by the judge. I would like to see judges urge everyone to engage in balanced reporting, remind the media that the headlines they print will directly impact the transparency of the court proceedings, etc.

[@anagalindo2119]

I agree. I was listening to some of the news nation videos shortly after the story broke but I soon realized that they are milking the story for views.

[@aviationfanatic5059]

So, I’m listening now (apple podcast) and this is my biggest concern about this case….so much potential misinformation tainting the jury pool. The media is so quick to put info out, or to demand access that I’m concerned Kohlberger won’t get a fair trial. Right now, everything I’ve seen makes him look guilty, but how much is actually real?

[@shaypatrice8126]

True, but I'm sure the judge will give clear instructions on what is allowed during deliberations etc. This happens more than we know

[@aviationfanatic5059]

@@shaypatrice8126 instructions are great, but you can’t unring the bell. Once someone knows something, it’s hard for them to un-know it or even forget about it.

[@jettyoeill]

I understand your concern yet, look at the Murdough trial. He was convicted in his own court, by his peers with less evidence, (although the kennel video was huge).

[@Rae777]

Yes, and the leaks aren’t anything that he or his team can respond to and rebut (not that it would help much) due to the gag order. So the unconfirmed information is very skewed against him, and people can’t assess whether it’s because he did it or because that’s the information available right now. It’s important for people to be tried in court, and while the public has a right to their opinions (which I often have) that doesn’t mean the media is right to take advantage of this situation.

[@fluffypink6unny]

Our news media is corrupt as hell!

[@cbee8837]

The more I watch your channel and a few others, for law commentary and trial viewing, I’m finding news reporting and many podcasts misinformed. I can no longer stomach NN. Thanks for all you do Emily!

[@LibraInSeattle]

I stopped following NewsNation after Ashley Banfield aired that interview of Xana’s mom. It was irresponsible! That is what started the whole conflict of interest drama with Brian Kohberger’s attorney. Xana’s mom was in no condition to be interviewed and the producers should have seen that. They also should have fact checked the story. I like Brian Entin his coverage of Gabbie Petito was really good, but Ashley Banfield and Chris Cuomo have really been pushing the boundaries of what I consider ethical reporting.

[@courtneynagel8556]

I am so glad you push for primary sources. This makes me wish there was some sort of statute or at least a group to help family members of those accused in a high-profile matter. I think it is super important to have the public see trials to understand how our justice system works and to remind us that where we get our news from is never perfect. I adore how neutral you try to be, Emily, and how much emphasis you put on understanding where information is coming from.

[@mark8337]

New listener. Impressed with your reporting/analysts. You’re picking up details others miss.

[@jo-annaricciuti4774]

I really appreciate how you approach with a non emotional prospective and your legal insights! In a case like this it's very frustrating that the court issued basically a gag order.

[@starrywizdom]

Thank you SO MUCH, Ms. Emily -- I really needed to hear this today. I've been frequently emotionally overwhelmed by current politics in the last week & it's very unsettling. I hate being this way & wasting so much time & energy ranting, crying & feeling horrible. But here comes EDB to ask important questions & question important issues & talk about things in a measured, reasoned & thoughtful way with that neurospicy twist that I identify with so well. A thousand purple hearts for thee, madam!

[@marciatillison3140]

Thank you to Emily and her team for discussing ethics. It isn’t covered enough.

[@susansmith4268]

“Source” = speculation. Brilliant, Emily!

[@traceydavis6471]

And this my friends, is why I only follow a handful of lawyers … you and Peter Tragos are so fair and impartial and don’t entertain the f*ckery!!! ❤😊

[@lifes_a_journey]

Agree! Definitely my two favorites. They don't always agree, but they are always factual and fair. 😊

[@jdbuder]

I agree

[@DillyDahlia]

Andrea Burkhart is another good one.

[@MaPrajna1]

My go to Two as well 🎉

[@lisawarner2139]

Yes those two and Andrea!

[@lainyfromrainypnw]

Hi! First time watching & now am the proud owner of a subscription & all notifications of the “Emily D. Baker” show. I used to be & am somewhat still, a journalist. I did print & was a news director for radio news. All of my stories & the stories of the reporters I worked with, ALWAYS had to have THREE credible sources. Sometimes it was pretty difficult, but ABSOLUTELY NOTHING went on the air w/o 3 sources & even those were looked up & down & sideways for anything that just didn’t jive. Of course, this was all before Google, FB, Twitter etc. We had to really work hard to get our stories. In today’s world, it’s been made too easy to ‘source’ a story with nothing to back it up. That’s why I don’t go down the rabbit hole of news shows…even local news. That’s why shows like yours is so refreshing! In my opinion.

[@countryrat6t6]

His sisters losing their jobs is super messed up. I can see the "IDs in a glove in a box" being like old high school and/or college IDs... I have old "keepsakes" like that in odd places sometimes. But that's the only way I can think of to innocently explain that sort of thing.

[@counselorkia]

Girl… you are the FIRST ONE to look at this properly! Thank you so, so much!

[@Tarotiste]

Are we going back to the Edwardian ages? Where a family member's "shame" ruined their family despite them having nothing to do with it? So much craziness lately.

[@sunshineinarizona1726]

Family members of serial and mass murderers will sometimes choose to change their name and move away. It's always been that way. They don't want to be associated with their killer relative.

[@afriendorfoe]

It's very communistic way. North Korea they punish you and family members for breaking the law.

[@peggygallagher5802]

Right on! Just came across your Channel and commented, joined immediately!!! Thoroughly enjoyed your expertise and commentary. I'm retired from Forensic Psychiatry and CJS disciplines

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Hey Peggy! So glad to have you hear. Welcome!!!

[@NoToAllOfThat]

I just discovered you and I am so impressed with your take on all this. Thank you!

[@Sjnolaroi1323]

I just subscribed to your channel! I love your channel! I live in Allentown PA and our DA has said that they searched cold cases in Lehigh county and didn’t find anything to link Brian to anything and also the DA from Northamton county didn’t find anything to link Brian to any cold cases!

[@chelemybelle1974]

Love your 100% transparency , vetted info is very important.

[@Hev.M]

It's absolutely not ok for family members to be persecuted when they have done nothing wrong. They hold no responsibility for his actions and had no knowledge of the crimes. It's awful to think about how many people have their lives ruined by being a family member to someone who committed heinous crimes

[@commonsense571]

I cannot imagine the grief of the suspect’s family. Talk about “you think you know someone”. I love my brother. He walks on water in my eyes. And if he committed an unthinkable crime such as this it would be worse than his death. (God forbid toi toi toi does sign of cross) It is unimaginable grief and sadness stretching endlessly. 😢

[@leabee2051]

I really enjoyed this episode! I have a degree in journalism. I've learned the media is always changing. It's also a business and a watchdog. A difficult line to walk. Sometimes it leads to the business part coming first and fundamentals of journalism second, which feels very wrong. It's also why I appreciate podcasts (especially this one) because we have the space to do deep dives and critically think/discuss topics. Always ask why. 💜

[@ERSwanger]

I have intentionally been skipping over idaho murders content unless it's coming from you/ Court because I want to see/ hear what the jury sees/ hears.

[@SpicyCatFoster]

Emily is literally the only person I believe to get details correct. The media is too concerned with being first, not being correct. It is all clickbait only.

[@jackiechandler6590]

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[@BurroGirl]

Thanks SO much for reminding us to use critical thinking skills!

[@ancientmaverick13]

There is a case here in Indiana (Delphi) that had a possibility of coming to my county for jurors. I deliberately ignored all reporting on it so I could honestly say I knew very little in case I got a jury summons.

[@bluehorsey1271]

You are wicked smart in this field. Love it!

[@toma5153]

Thanks for doing a hard look at this. My opinion is a lot of this starts with NewsNation. Then their reporting gets picked up by other outlets, like tabloids. It all starts to look like a self-sustaining whisper campaign based on zero facts.

[@jenniferlynne3314]

💯 they should be ashamed of themselves. Zero integrity.

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

News Nation is just the type of propaganda machine that would be spreading these rumors.

[@cherylduvall4714]

I agree that NewsNation is not good to watch. Too much click bait.

[@BurroGirl]

OMG you cracked me up about our "girls" going rogue!!!! Love it!

[@LadyGreyAgeingDisGracefully]

I want to see a playlist of ads. The lawn trimmer for the hair down there.😂The Christmas version with the jingle bells was so funny. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Omni-Blast]

Especially when she mentioned how one tends to go rogue, I felt that in my soul. LOL

[@Lucca_1313]

With how fast he was allegedly in and out of that house, how would he have had time to riffle around for IDs??

[@magdalenabollin]

Thank you for your healthy perspective on this case.

[@beethimbles8801]

Thankyou for bringing some of the more philosophical issues in this case to the table. That quote has really stuck to me

[@cleoklepzig4595]

Interesting twist on the information. Makes me alert to this topic. Great coverage, thanks EDB

[@lizv3634]

Yes!!! This has been bothering me so much. Thank you for addressing it.

[@chrisward8237]

Great insight and thank you for putting news Nation on blast

[@chebbohagop]

Absolutely agree with you EDB - there hasn’t even been a trial!

[@melsafken764]

The true Investigators should hold news conferences & keep people updated, at least to squash the rumors. This gag order is creating a need for info that encourages this type reporting.

[@elizabethtichenor]

I am so glad you did this episode. I have been thinking the same thing about news nation. The stories are light on facts and heavy on conjecture. I’m not convinced. I hope it doesn’t mess up the trial.

[@loudMouse11]

I would love to see a "Bring the Jury" sweatshirt in your merch shop

[@lyndachele]

And a tee

[@aisle_of_view]

How about "Here Come de Judge!" ?

[@loudMouse11]

HA!Here come de judge 🤣 I'd buy it!!

[@gehudon]

Haha yea! Some day I hope these merch shops realize t shirts are not good for everyone. I’m a 71 yr old female and don’t wear tshirts. 😌

[@gehudon]

@@Dijabril Yes!

[@janeneb3122]

Thank you for explaining this with your keen eye for detail!

[@ChristinaBawden]

Thank you for covering this case. I live in Idaho, actually Ada County where the Lori Vallow’s trial is being held. That case was moved to Ada County and they have a bigger population in Rexburg than they do in Moscow. Anyway I just want to say thank you for trying to protect the jury. As you say he is innocent until proven guilty and deserves an impartial jury.

[@seldomblank4611]

I’m from Idaho too! East Idaho . Considering the Angie Dodge case I really hope our legal system gets it right this time.

[@BoiseGreatDane]

I’m in Boise … I agree

[@cocoagirl44]

I’m in Clarkston 4 blocks from the grocery store BK shopped at later the day of the crime.

[@bethwatley4690]

Loved this episode. Thank you. Sometimes I get lost/bogged down in reviewing motions/briefs/etc. This was very conversational. 😊

[@TheLeahShaw]

I am always skeptical and agree you have to look at the source. Thank you for walking us through the process of sorting it out!

[@whybsonosey4001]

Emily I was happy to see you discuss the Idaho case. There are so many questions about this case and things the police In Moscow. I’ve never seen a case where they write up 3 prob cause affidavits. Lots of copy and pasting from a few of the cops. Cops on the case with Brady/Giglio issues. I’m really bothered by Investigation Discovery doing a show on this case, 48 hours the same, and if memory serves me 20/20 as well. So many questions about things in this case. It seems most have forgotten how our law system works. He is supposed to be afforded the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. This man has been convicted by media. He has been called an incel, a mass murderer more times than I could count. I want justice for these beautiful lives that have been snuffed out. But, I also want a good trial and the right person prosecuted. It’s a lot with this case.

[@tommiegnosis]

Dude, Emily YES. I saw these headlines and was like, "Omg!" So I clicked the videos, I never what news because it's trash, and I was like "what..." It didn't line up. I don't like Mark Garagos, but he was making some good points, and they were like, "shhhh, mark this isn't good for business." They literally kept rolling their eyes at him. I hate the Comos...

[@SisterStylist4]

I loved this episode. It is very important to talk about what is fact and what is basically gossip. There is a ton of misinformation or information that is unverified that could definitely taint a jury. All involved deserve justice.

[@Kliss2765]

I find it deeply troubling, that this is the path we are on, how can BK's sisters be held responsible for HIS "alledged" crime. How are they supposed to pay bills if they can't work, it's just not right, those poor girls. Buster M is a different case entierly Buster may not have clean hands, though nothing so far has been proven. I find it very concerning if this is true, we as decent people need to stand up for any injustice and for the TRUTH. They have done nothing, and should be left alone. As for the Laundries.... I really have nothing to say about them except their actions were at least questionable at most dispicable, the case against them will decide that.

[@JarMomErika]

I believe the sources are actually Maddie and/or Kaylee’s parents. They’ve been outspoken about resenting the gag order applying to them.

[@1ACL]

Maybe!

[@robertlavigne6560]

Do you really think the families would purposely derail the court case? Or do you think they are so stressed out that they aren't critically thinking?

[@1ACL]

@@robertlavigne6560 they were leaking info early-on, and were very careless, actually.

[@JarMomErika]

@@robertlavigne6560 you’d be amazed at how much people know (like Kaylee being attacked worse) came from those blabbermouths. People online were telling them to STFU, and they had fits. I have to work hard not to think poorly of them, but it’s just par for their course frankly.

[@lorimueller6780]

I've heard people refer to this as the "Idaho 4" case, if you don't want to use the defendant's name.

[@bookcat123]

As someone who saw the coverage going off the deep end early on and purposely walked away from it for a while, I wouldn’t have recognized “Idaho 4” in the video title but “the Idaho College murders” was enough for me to go “oh yeah that, where does that stand now?”

[@cynthiaking5308]

The ‘Idaho Four’ bothered me right from the start. It implies they did something, the only thing they did was live. It should be called the Idaho College murders. That’s what it was. Maybe calling it the ‘Idaho Four’ sanitizes it so people wouldn’t (and youtube) be offended. Or someone wants a cool name name for clicks. Create a Brand as it were. Your video is the first one I’ve watched in a while. I found the rabid true crime community disgusting making up scenarios, blaming surviving residents, creating nasty rumors like they were dealing narcotics. True crime should stick to cold cases.

[@sofiarajab1814]

EMILY GOD BLESS YOU!!!!! Following you covering cases is always amazing 👏 Love from Kilifi, Kenya 🇰🇪

[@AdeebaZamaan]

I care less about the subject than about how you respond, as a lawyer and an Emily! 💜 The trials themselves are, for me, just an engaging way of learning, like historical novels when I was in my teens. Knew law is adversarial, but never guessed that happens by means of competing narratives!

[@Roguekoala]

Thank you, Emily, for calling out News Nation. I have had a lot of questions about their headlines and sources for some time. With the non dissemination order in place, I have seriously questioned just how in the hell News Nation is able to scoop every other news oulet and I question the source. I get they can't name them due to the order, but it happens too often with them. Are they paying someone off to get info? Just HOW are they getting information that many times no one else has. So many questions.

[@technicalout9547]

Also, why is Banfield so eerily gleeful about the reporting? Very off-putting.

[@mtz6198]

I think they just have lower (virtually none) requirements to report. Most news organizations have standards to verify info and won't release it if it's only from one source etc. NN lost me when they interviewed the mom of one of the Idaho victims. She is dealing with the unimaginable tragedy of her child’s murder and may be struggling with an addiction issue. Zero care or sensitivity for her. Please unsubscribe to NN everyone! Giving them views encourages more irresponsible reporting.

[@Roguekoala]

These too are things I have noted. Also, they seem over reliant on podcasters and KZbin content creators who don't have any credentials other than hosting a show for their contributors and they put them on like they are authorities on whatever the topic is. I will note that this seems to be mostly on Banfield's segments. The whole vibe there is just odd.

[@ArcherGinger]

Emily, glad you presented a discussion on the “facts” vs. news clips with click bait. This is why I watch different news channels on the same topic and do deep diving research

[@dougcorcoran5455]

Good video Emily. News Nation usually throws in a "if true" or some other qualifier. After they did the segment with Xana's mom and the conflict of interest scam I would put them in the same category as the National Enquirer. After the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse my opinion of media and prosecutors has hit new lows.

[@tay_danni]

New law nerd here!! Just ordered myself a facts hat :) can’t wait. Love your channel

[@thehutch7728]

Thank you for the membership!!! 💜💜💜

[@cherylduvall4714]

He could have had multiple ID’s from getting tags in different states. My grandson was in the service and had ID from where he was stationed for six years, came back to MD, moved to PA, now has WV ID when moving for a new job. He is ADHD, disorganized, and forgetful. I can see him have all his ID’s in his car.

[@aisle_of_view]

I still have my Blockbuster card in an old wallet. Maybe Bry kept his student IDs in PA, or his security guard job ID. We have no idea if the IDs belonged to anyone in 1122.

[@traceychiang909]

I enjoyed your insights on the leaks and their effects.

[@shellayoung4207]

I have always worried about the families, I was in a bad situation because of what my family had did, But I hadn't even seen the person in 20 yrs but yet because we were family people had a lot of things to say to me.

[@alegnalavieenrose8120]

I’m sorry you had to go through that. People can be so stupid & cruel sometimes.

[@shellayoung4207]

@@alegnalavieenrose8120 Thank You

[@deborl7278]

I went through traumatic issues when a horrific crime happened within my families People broke my windows out of my car slashed tires , wrote horrible things on our house and fence The hardest was my young children having to go through the bullying at school Way sad stuff you would never think would happen. But it did 22 years ago

[@kkay3784]

Teaching critical thinking, research skills. You're so good, Em D.

[@lydiaknott31]

I always take everything I hear reported by NewsNation with a grain of salt!!

[@Camey71073]

There is an entire KZbin channel where children or parents of serial killers or mass killers that meet the victims families and try to make that distinction more clear and hope that it helps the families on both side to heal.

[@fluffypink6unny]

What’s the name of the channel?

[@Camey71073]

@@fluffypink6unny I watch a lot of true crime so I can't exactly remember but if you put in some keywords, it should pull up

[@DrofJustice]

Amazing, clearly researched discussion, Emily. Thank you so much for this. ❤

[@Dominique_99]

Great show as always Emily! The problem with keeping people in the dark is that it suddenly becomes much more interesting and people start making it worse in their minds. News Nation has tapped into that. Some of the things they have reported have been found out to be blatantly false. I actually cringe now when I hear that Ashley Banfield has a new “source “ that’s found something. One day they reported that people were praying outside the house they were so desperate to report something. As for investigating BK in the case of any serious homicide it’s not unusual for the police to check if that person may have done something similar before. I watch retired cops on YT who do true crime like DutyRon and they have all said it’s normal procedure. It’s just not something you report to the papers but they are so desperately scrambling they are reporting the most obvious things and making it into a big deal. And maybe it is because if multiple IDs were found in a glove in a box and they potentially belonged to victims or people he was stalking it could be a big deal so everything needs to be checked it only makes sense. At the very least his behaviour is weird. It obviously wasn’t his old IDs in the glove or the police wouldn’t have grabbed it. I don’t know who’s it was but at this stage I take everything that News Nation says with a grain of salt. I’ve pretty much lost all respect I had for them since this case. Sorry for the long ramble but they annoy me soooo much.

[@lexybaginsky]

I just love your breakdown of news and how you expect and show us to look behind the headlines and think for ourselves. You are the bestest!

[@c.b.6187]

I'm not sure I find it all that weird that there's an ID in a glove in a Box at a parent's home. I got a kid gone off to college. I found all kinds of stuff in his boxes… A single glove, a single sock, old high school I d's. And remember things

[@sunshineinarizona1726]

It's weird enough to get him the death penalty.

[@bookcat123]

I mean my grandmother kept ID info stuffed up the bottom of an angel statue because she was paranoid people were going to break in and steal it. And I’ve stuffed small things in a glove before when trying not to lose them in a big or loose coat pocket. It doesn’t feel like the location means anything - the question should just be whose ID and was there a reason for it to be in the house/car 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@kimbirdsong2103]

ID’s in a glove in a box is weird? Shit. I’ve been keeping a toothbrush inside a teddy bear down inside a bag of leaves at my moms. I’ll toss that 😂 💜

[@deborl7278]

I kept locks of hair 50 years from my first love and crush. It's going finally We keep weird stuff no doubt

[@RightMeow20]

Newsnation comes out with a new video on this case every day. We have a very long road ahead to the trial.. how long will they keep milking it?!

[@juleslennon]

Love how you do Ad reads!! When one goes rogue - can so relate!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@BoiseGreatDane]

Oh my my … seriously I never finished this because I’m engrossed in the vallow case at the moment.. I’m finally circling back to you … I appreciate you ❤❤I’m pretty much leaving this case alone until its go time .. my kiddo lives in Moscow I’ve been there 2x since the murders … I’m upset that news and sleuths keep making sh%t up … as an Idahoan I think folks need to shut the eff up ..

[@josephbaker707]

A Baker walking us thru this tragedy Perfect!

[@coffeecake1803]

You always explain things so thoroughly-thank you EB - they could be old school IDs - as to the IDs didn’t the police say that’s how they ID the students in the house 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@KatKrueger]

That’s how they ID’d Xana.

[@T-REV757]

💯💯

[@LadyGreyAgeingDisGracefully]

You make me love ads. The lawn trimmer is my favourite. Can you snip together all the ads in a video?

[@conniejackson7929]

Still looking for more info on the case of kid shooter and parents on trial. This to me seems its setting a presidence. I've only seen one article on it.

[@insomniapetals4424]

I agree! I've been trying to keep an eye on that myself!

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

You mean the parents of the school shooter who suddenly changed his plea to guilty and got sentenced recently?

[@conniejackson7929]

@@whoopsydaisy6389 its one of them. I just can't remember the name.

[@jewels07]

If it’s the one in Michigan, it is James and Jennifer Crumbly who are in jail awaiting trial.

[@conniejackson7929]

@@jewels07 thank you... I do believe that is the one.

[@williamadebonojo3061]

The question to be asked is: Is the leaked information true? If he in fact DID have an ID card from one of the residents of that house at his parents' house then that fact SHOULD be admissible in court. And the defense should have to come up with an explanation backed up by reliable witness testimony as to why that ID card was where it was. At this point in time, he's entitled to the presumption of innocence, yes. What he is NOT entitled to (or IMO SHOULDN'T be entitled to) is to have evidence against him suppressed merely on account of premature leaks. But then again, I'm no lawyer and it's just... I don't know. This society just seems to be getting more and more f- - -ed up each day.

[@harmdizzle1979]

I had jury duty Monday. Both cases were settled, so nobody was picked. Kinda bummed, I was geared up to activate my law nerdness. Oh well. I have at least 12 months to perfect my perfect juror craft.

[@judithhenderson9819]

The consant release of information during active investigations endanger our system. The right to a fair and impartial jury is key.

[@Slonge92]

I thought NewsNation was the online version of the National Enquirer.

[@reconstructingleslie4597]

Hey Emily! I am so very glad I found your channel! You’re a breath of fresh air ! I think it’s awful how they are treating BK’s family!

[@AquilaPlume]

Funny thing is when I take the bus in winter, or go to the store and just want to buy something on my card, I put my card in my glove so I can quickly get it out to pay for the fare or whatever I'm buying.

[@theConquerersMama]

I have found my son's card for school purchasing in his glove & thought it was odd until I realized how quick and easy it was as compared to getting it out of his backpack. 🤷

[@Tati_257]

Emphasis on YOUR card

[@williammitchell6748]

They tell us about the ID found in two different places, but never tell us who it is or who the ID belongs to.