The ILLUSION of Choice in Dragon Age The Veilguard

[@BigDanGaming]

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[@cyanosaurus233]

is it ok if Iike this game?

[@schlankeschlangemitlanze2467]

​@@cyanosaurus233 No, to the Gulag

[@AmazingKevinWClark]

I really think this game is the way it is thanks to it switching from being a live service game late into the development. Even the morality choices might have been a consequence of it. The dialogue choices might have been created last minute and rushed, so they stuck with linear options so that it wasn't anymore time consuming. The game doesn't even have any death animations or scenes when you fall off a ledge. Even the character creator could have been the result of a late production shift. Originally the live service game was going to use hero characters but when it changed they quickly had to create the features for the character creator. Who knows, but the late shift does explain a lot. In which case it is possible that the next Mass Effect game will be OK but we will have to wait and see. If Mass Effect turns OK to be OK then we know that the problems with Veilguard were largely due to EA and their push for live service.

[@awesomehpt8938]

The darkspawn in DAO tried to save us from this.

[@anthonyschlott916]

Man, what I wouldn't give to have a DAO remaster with DA2 or even DAI combat. I loved DAO and I still miss my heavy armor sword-and-dagger rogue evading everything. Spending time fine-tuning everyone's tactics. Agonizing over who I want to side with in every choice. It was just such a good time.

[@dragonforks93]

Much like the Marauder Shields, the Blight was trying to help us

[@MarK0-D4c]

Our DAO protagonist knew that all this will happen and lost his faith...

[@levitastic]

I appreciate the game even more now

[@AlexWayne-jc7pv]

The Archdemon never asked for this

[@spellandshield]

You can choose to uninstall the game, which is a very powerful choice!

[@andersfrieden567]

You can choose to never play it which is even more of a powerful choice.

[@brianwt1]

@@andersfrieden567or to never buy it.

[@thejaegerbomber99]

Better yet, you can choose not to buy it.

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

Remove from Steam account will have lasting consequences

[@Suhov]

​@@thejaegerbomber999 not as powerful as refunding.

[@Shadow_Schadel]

Literally, I make a choice and the game is like: "Oh, good choice! But we don't care! We'll choose the one we need to continue the one lined history we create" xd

[@Just_a-guy]

I was saying this from the day this gameplay was shown. There we saw that opposing Varric and saying he cant talk with Solas leads to approval changes with companions and Varric talking with Solas which was completely different to agreeing with Varric, because this one leads to approval changes with companions (but opposite) and Varric talking with Solas.... From this and game didnt care about Morrigan past i knew what type of game this will be

[@bangslamwham88]

Honestly, Thedas has been sanitized beyond all recognition. You should do a video on that.

[@BigDanGaming]

Good idea!

[@theyawner2170]

What did you expect? non binary suddenly becomes a thing in Thedas, how does this came to be? concept of identity politics in the fantasy world where ordinary people struggle to survive. There's no way people have time to worry about who identifies as what. There's a blight going on and Rook has to accompany Taash to talk to her mother about her being non binary. fking ridiculous. I used to dream of what Tevinter would be like way back when DA2 came out. What a disappointment of a lifetime.

[@Prince19912]

@@BigDanGaming Do NOT forget Dragon Age Origins' "Hespith's Poem". Make a point that that poem would NEVER be included in a modern Bioware game but it'd fit perfectly into something like Larian Studios' Baldur's Gate 3. How well is Baldur's Gate 3 doing on Steam right now compared to BRAND NEW Dragon Age The Veilguard?

[@mahumia]

BG3 is doing well, actually. When I checked it the other day, it was higher on the "top sellers" list than DAVE and it had twice the amount of daily players (13th position vs 40th)

[@Prince19912]

@@mahumia My point exactly; BG3 maintained the dark themes it should've had and succeeded spectacularly while The Veilguard sanitized itself of any darkness and is failing spectacularly in comparison. Baldur's Gate 3 is a better follow up to Dragon Age Origins than The Veilguard and thats saying something

[@ryhi5]

You know how in Veilguard, everything in the dialogue wheel is purple, as opposed to the Blue, Purple, Red choices of DA2? This is actually the perfect symbolism for the game itself. Purple refers to funny dialogue in DA2, so coloring everything in DA2 purple represents how the Devs treat the idea of making choices in this game like A JOKE! That's what this game is! This game is one big unfunny JOKE!

[@MennydorgesERArchive]

Good catch

[@derpdude42]

Holy shit this had to be a deliberate design

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

Nope... Purple is the Colour for Non-Binary.

[@stesnuash8986]

Tevinter's blood magic politics and slavery that have been a pivotal point in all three games? Don't matter. The Dalish worship of their Gods, and general racism towards the Elves? Don't matter. Qunari being in a state of war with Tevinter and the memory and scars of their occupation being present in Northern Thedas? Don't matter. Andrastian faith and *ENORMOUS* implications the mere existence of the elven gods have on it, not mentioning everything else? Doesn't matter. Mages being treated with stark difference from non magical people? Doesn't matter. The entire bloody south thedas apparently? Doesn't matter. When people say "this game doesn't feel like a proper franchise entry" they usually exaggerate. Not this time. This is genuinely no longer Dragon Age. It's something else wearing its skinsuit.

[@Helifax19]

Amen!

[@Kornelius707]

Are you saying none of this comes up in game? That's a lot to purposely ignore.

[@Helifax19]

@@Kornelius707 It does come in game quite a lot. Problem is... it is a bit too "light" compared to what was "promised" to be.

[@stesnuash8986]

If only it was just 'too light' as the comment above states. But no. The entire game is sanitised in more ways than one. Everyone on the Net talks about the inoffensive dialogue and watered down elements, and rightly so. But as I've said, the lore itself feels bleached. The game *talks* about slavery in Tevinter and how it's bad but we don't actually *see* it. I don't remember seeing a single slave in Minrathous, and I've tried a completionist run. Am I to believe that a society built on the back of slaves and second class citizens keeps both in the basement like its something illegal and to be hidden? Ah, right, ask no questions, consume product. Do you remember how you couldn't visit a town without stumbling upon a chantry in some shape or form in older games? I'm using plural here because its not enough to compare it to Origins. In every game if you make a drinking game every time your hear of Maker or Andraste, you'd die of alcohol poisoning in the first act. In DAV you'll be sober. Why? Don't ask and consume, that's why. Where are the Dalish and the Qunari, two factions that were very interested in Solas's reveal and stopping a world ending event respectively? We only see their reskins. Veil Jumpers and 'rebellious' Antaam. Neither of them elaborate on what their race at large is up to. What do the Dalish at large think of the old gods they revere physically manifesting in this world? Why do the Qunari do nothing with both the rampaging blighted gods and rebellious Antaam? Why is Thedas, *especially* Tevinter, not look at an elven/qunari Rook with an ounce of suspicion or negativity? Fuck you, that's why. Nobody in Tevinter makes their status of a Magister a point of pride compared to what they would view as 'oppressive South'. I've already said my piece on how the game barely talks of Andrastian faith, and its aspect of heavy anti-mage bias is no exception. The cherry on top is that we don't even learn of the Divine and whether or not the status of mages have been uplifted in the world of Thedas, or at least in the South. You'd think will a literal return of the Blight *someone* would be talking about ancient mages being responsible (and technically they'd be correct, since the Evanuris are mages). Ah. Wait. We're not supposed to think. My bad. The whole game is like that. I'm torn between thinking that the reason is lack of fucks given or deliberate gaslighting into thinking that the lore was always paper thin. And that's not even touching on DAV's whitewashing crusade of everything remotely gray. From serious offenders like Antivan Crows to minor things like Solas now despising blood magic or Dorian apologising for his Inquisition self's view on slavery in the codex (yes, it exists, I'm as baffled as you are).

[@Kornelius707]

@@stesnuash8986 Wow ok, well that's sad. We live in a post Game of Thrones/Witcher 3 world and they still felt the need to play it so safe. Dark Fantasy isn't controversial or offensive nowadays, especially with mature writing. I'm still itching to see for myself as a Dragon Age fan, I hope it's not as bad as some people say.

[@PerfectPencil]

Someone reddit put it best. Every social encounter is just "I agree, enthusiastically", "i agree, begrudgingly" & "I agree, aggressively"

[@jh565bb]

Exactly in DA2 you can refuse to help people.

[@datoothfairy4145]

Fallout 4 all over again.

[@ethanduncan1646]

They dont even show Davrin killing the first warden! In inquisition if you dont stop Lelianna she will slit someone's throat on screen! I swear to the Maker they wanted some G rated game...

[@nikkinvin]

And Duncan died for this? Why tf did I kill the archdeamon? Why did I support Anders in Kirkwall? None of it matters now. I really hate Bioware for what they've done with Dragon Age

[@andrewdhaenens9931]

It makes no sense... if they had literally just fast forwarded a couple generations and not tried to make a sequel, it would have been fine. It doesn't make everything enjoyable, but it removes 70% of the problems. One of the best parts of Origins was that it felt like a fresh start (you start in a school like Fable). If they did that again, the series would have had a nice reboot and the characters would have made more sense (and not SO Gen Z all the time)

[@victoriaanne6332]

You didn’t. You died in the joining and the darkspawn overran Thedas and destroyed the world. The darkspawn chronicles are the real canon

[@PeteTheGrouch]

@@victoriaanne6332 Sadly, that would've probably been the happier outcome...

[@nikkinvin]

@@victoriaanne6332 The Darkspawn literally tried to save us from this. The Archdeamon is the real hero and the warden is the villain it seems.

[@Wizkid_Utopia]

I'd argue ME:A was aa better follow-up to the previous trilogy.

[@MagnustheRad]

You carefully build your characters' story over 3 games only to have the developer go: yea, those choices don't matter now, oh except 3.

[@damhnaitcockburn2970]

The romance choice didn't matter either, really. How does the inquis romance affect anything except with the female elf either hardened against Solas or giving herself to him to facilitate a good ending. And even then it barely effects the ending anyway, except giving the Solevellan shippers their happy ever after.

[@Brittanysplittany]

Two of which are from a DLC you had to purchase for the previous game, right? (I didn’t buy the DLC as I believe games should have the ending included)

[@johnpantag472]

​@@damhnaitcockburn2970exactly this. Both romance and disbanding or keeping the inquisition don't even matter. They just gets mentioned in a single line of dialogue.

[@ellehcimbelle]

@@damhnaitcockburn2970 yeah didn’t the other romance choices only get like a letter/codex entry that is easily missable?

[@damhnaitcockburn2970]

@@ellehcimbelle Unless the romance was with Dorian. There's a scene with Dorian and the Inquisitor.

[@bdeamon1]

Don't forget the post credits ending where we find out no one was actually making their own choices from the start of the franchise. Logain didn't really make the choice to betray his king and son of his best friend because of a complex array of moral and political values formed after years of fighting a in a brutal war of rebellion and struggling to hold his kingdom together in the aftermath. It was actually because of ghosts I guess.

[@RawrieatChu01]

The leaning more on mystical powers and ghosts being the cause of things is so tiring for this bloated corpse of a franchise. Leliana is a lyrium ghost, red lyrium is crazy evil because its red and gives you super powers, the list goes on. Too incompetent of writers to create anything of substance, just trashing on the already established lore and world

[@dildofaggins6961]

Bioware basically pulled a Kingdom Hearts 3

[@KOBEASTXIV]

Thats how you water down lore.

[@mattphoenix4702]

⁠@@RawrieatChu01 Leliana being a lyrium ghost only occurs if you import a world state into Inquisition where she was killed by the warden during the urn of sacred ashes mission in Origins. Is it an interesting way to work around including Leliana in Inquisition while staying faithful to player choice? Not particularly. But don’t blow it out of proportion, the number of people who kill Leliana in Origins and transfer this world state into Inquisition is so small that it becomes statistically irrelevant. Willing to bet a good 90% of the people who read this won’t have a clue about what we are talking about. Red lyrium is not evil and it does not grant you superpowers. It is blighted lyrium. Just like the blight itself, the lyrium corrupts the things around it. Also just like the blight, most people can’t withstand exposure to it for extended periods and their bodies become more and more corrupted and they are literally turned into red lyrium. like how darkspawn are created. ALSO like the blight, some people have some innate immunity to its corrupting effects, and can turn the power it grants into a weapon. The red templars, including Samson, are essentially a corrupted form of the Grey Wardens. Just like the Grey Wardens, these red templars are essentially already dead though, the blight works slowly on them, but it WILL kill them in the end. Like… have you even played these games? Veilguard has a ton of flaws, it makes a number of big blunders in its storytelling… but the things you complained about were established in either Origins or Dragon Age 2. In these examples, the writers aren’t trashing established lore and world. It IS the established lore and world. You just aren’t paying attention.

[@Emolga91]

Its alright, the writers didn't want us to be able to make our own choices.Why should they let the previous NPCs make their own decisions too?

[@r.e.z9428]

We live in a Post-Baldur Gate 3 world, this lazy slop not gonna cut it.

[@damhnaitcockburn2970]

My thoughts exactly.

[@aqlanimations4822]

It's insane the cope from Redditors, and people that don't own the game, telling me in every comment that I should pay for a mediocre product. This happened in Saints Reboot, SW Outlaws and now this. I am seeing the trend here. A couple comments from people that are Redditors/Employees of the games/Activist/People that don't play video games out side of candy crush, or the sims. This game looked horrible, it was an insult to Bioware OG fans and is made for people that review games on race, and identity politics over, if a game is fun or good because on both fields this game fails. It looks like a 4/10 and that should be a 1/10 in any real Bioware fans. If you tell me otherwise I won't believe you, this game is made for people that watch CNN 24 hours, and are afraid of their own shadow, and didn't pay the 70 bucks for this game is the true answer. I didn't, and I don't buy games that push Identity over story period. This game with all the shill articles flopped pretty bad. It's insane people saying it has 100k players lol, it made around 20 million and cost 250 million dollars, regular budget, you have to factor in Advertising budget which is usually 250 million more. So people how is 20 million area paying back 500 ish million? I wanna see some hamster wheels spinning, also Steam out of the 6-7 million dollars get's a 20 percent cut so less, and PlayStation etc. So this game is doing horrible that's the real truth. I understand the crowd that lies and wants this thing to be fairy land, but It couldn't happen to a better company that pushes stupidity of identity lazy slop, over story. I think people saying it's a 1 naturally are crazy, but this is a lazy game for Redditors that won't buy it, they will say they do. Had 6 write me saying I should buy it lol, got the SN off steam which they claimed they bought it. Said I was a sexist, funny enough they never bought the game, no shocker and their games were XXX with women lol. These people aren't real is the point, this game is horrible, and the real gamers tell you straight up.

[@r.e.z9428]

@@aqlanimations4822 The Veilguard redditors are having a civil war with themselves. I saw a post of someone who said he loved the game but that the writing was lacking and gave a very structured breakdown of its faults, especially when it came to Taash. He wasn’t smug about it and an ass, he was as neutral as one can be. They crucified that dude like he was satan himself, throwing the usual buzzword slop because they had nothing to refute his claims.

[@thisguy4608]

Be ready for disappointment then

[@r.e.z9428]

@@thisguy4608 I have no hope to begin with, so how could I be disappointed?

[@boiiofboii6736]

You know whats funny? I finished the game last week and my GF is finishing her playtrough as i'm typing this comment. The scene you get after you decide to send the griffons to the forest is THE EXACT SAME SCENE as the grey wardens one. Except for the location and the trainer. Everything else is 1:1 the same. Good work bioware. They made so little effort that its actually amazing lmao

[@nivlheim09c97]

NPC asked a question, your response choices: 1. Yes. 2. Snarky yes. 3. Stoic yes.

[@JackTheCrasher]

"Shit is shit, cause it's shit" - Varric Tethras

[@davidtran2026]

Sounds more like what Sara would say too

[@ifyoulookclosely6863]

It's sad how they justified removal of past choices with better choices and reactivity in this game but it's just not there.

[@dribrom]

In DA2 they removed all choices of DA: Origin more or less. With the expiation on a few flavor cut seances with Alistair and Fleming nothing major mattered. All you got was some prologue story lines of what happened after the arch daemon died. Same goes for Inquisition. There is almost nothing that carry over from DA2 to inquisition that mattered in the end it was except some flavor text. Regardless if you had played the previous games or not the quests could still give you the same outcome and reward. You're deluding your self to think all the previous games choices mattered more in the end than they do in Veilgard.

[@DarkLens]

​@@dribrom da2 shouldn't have existed, this has been said more than once, the game was made for money (the name itself even says so, just a number). The second should have been the inquisition, that's why most of the significant decisions from origins are reflected in the inquisition.

[@butthurttaco8636]

@@dribromit’s almost like you didn’t watch the video

[@theyawner2170]

@@DarkLens Even DA2 is better than what we got here. at least then Anders blew up the Chantry.

[@dribrom]

@@DarkLens It's standard to name a new game in the series after a number when it has a new game engine. This tradition is over 40 years old now. DA2 is no different.

[@graye2799]

The lack of any choices or decisions carrying over from the past games is still unforgivable to me. Imagine seeing zevran in the crow quests in this game, or sten in the qunari quests.

[@graye2799]

Or seeing Hawke or the DA1 protagonist again. Not like it couldn't happen, the voice actors for hawke is littearly in the game. He voices the 1st warden.

[@graye2799]

This game should have been the thing that brings every companion and decisions you made in the past together and they had the perfect opportunity to do it and failed.

[@justcast1429]

Yes it’s the biggest sin and it shouldn’t be brushed under the rug

[@douglasabp]

Comparing Veilguard with Outer Worlds is not even fair, you can finish the game killing EVERYONE at any time, even yourself (if you have low INT)... Veilguard is like a saturday afternoom game but with more hours

[@Oozaru85]

You can kill ur team too in the end. And yourself. Just dont do their companion quests. And choose to fight Solas in the end (might need the Inquisition tries to stop Solas option chosen at the beginning, not sure).

[@XatubaX]

​@@Oozaru85 letting them die is not the same as killing them

[@Oozaru85]

@XatubaX Its still just as satisfying.

[@salamantics]

@@Oozaru85 No it's not. You have little to do with why they died, if they were more competent you wouldn't be needed at all. If they bothered to do soul searching before the events of this game we might've been able to kill the two forgotten ones pronto. That is the implication by lucanis failing to kill Ghila'nain at weisshaupt. I would rather stab ta'ash personally than metagame their death in the final act. They shouldn't have lived to the final act, and we're given no option in the matter. It's like every companion is Jacob in me2, you just wish them to die.

[@jacklucas2123]

This is what ruined the replayability of DAV for me. Usually I would play through an RPG two or three times to try different choices and outcomes. DAV was so shallow i really don’t think there’s any value in going back and doing things differently

[@quintyss1290]

Thanks for saving me money. I don't care how epic the ending is said to be; there is not enough original Dragon Age vision in the game to compel me to buy it. This game is a slap in the face for OG players who want an intelligent game.

[@Account2-ng6hr]

The dragon age in this game is probably just around 3 quest; intro, mid (warden quest), and final act. The rest is pure trash from disney.

[@davidtran2026]

Amen to that. I was going to get this later on a discount but now I will not bother playing it even if it was free.

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

The ending isn't epic tbh... It's a bunch of Cutscenes, you don't get to play most of the end game, you just watch it for the most part.

[@davidwhidden9337]

Epic ending? What drivel.

[@almediasmith2584]

I feel the same way. I’m going to stick to the first 3 games.

[@justinportillo3996]

Honestly it’s two things: 1) they’re being lazy and don’t want to make multiple choices as it takes too much time 2) they don’t want to scare new comers with the amount of choices and attempts to make more friendly which is pretty dumb

[@mustafaozturk2542]

3) Their ideology and preaching are more important than the game itself.

[@Extreme96PL]

They took the same approach CDPR took with Cyberpunk 2077: they wanted the player to experience everything in one playthrough, since it's obvious that most players only finish the game once. CDPR did the same with CP2077, since that game lacks any real choices, except for the ending, which was a huge nerf compared to all the Witcher games, including the spin-off ThroneBreaker: The Witcher Tales.

[@justinportillo3996]

@@Extreme96PL that’s the issue I have with newer rpg type games, they attempt to shoe horn everything in a first playthrough just cause a few players won’t replay the game again and it’s just really annoying cause why even play the game again at all? FNV, KOTOR, even mass effect works cause there are so many dialogue and options in the game that it’s impossible to experience all of one playthrough so it encourages another playthrough. When I played FNV for the first time in 2019 I replayed the game again after completing after realizing that I missed so much content and that really made me excited to do it again and try another loadout. When I realized that you can basically experience everything in cyberpunk I only did like 2 playthrough one for male (my canon V) and another for female and never tried a 3rd again as it doesn’t change anything and did it again after the new update which revamped everything but even then I only go to the last few mission and didn’t bother to do PL. I like cyberpunk and it’s setting, characters, story, and music but I can’t really say to play again unless you wait a few years to play again

[@Extreme96PL]

@@justinportillo3996 This decision is probably budget related, the developers or publisher just don't think it's worth it to do stuff that players won't see since they're only playing through the game once. The problem is I really don't think a game can be called an RPG if the choices in that game matter less than, for example, the choices in an FPS game like STALKER Call of Pripyat lol. Yes, in my case it's the same for CP2077 and FNV, KOTOR and Mass Effect. The only difference is that I didn't like CP2077 that much, and my "canon" V is femV from E3 2018 thanks for the mods on top of that I like femV voice acting more and she can romance Judy which I consider best romance in game. I like most of the first act, because the quests in those acts are the best and I think the story is also the most interesting in the first act. Some side quests like Peralez's questline, Judy's questline, searching for Rivers' nephew were okay, but that's it. GIGs were boring because it's almost the same as DAI, which means MMO fetch quest style. I liked Phantom Liberty a lot more, not only was the story more interesting overall, but they also made the choice Reed vs. Songbird a mini Witcher 2 Roche vs. Iorweth style choice, which means that it changes completely after this expansion's story. The side quests were also great, and even the GIGs are a significant improvement over the GIGs in the base game, as they feel more like the contracts from The Witcher 3 with their short stories, instead having you do the job and return for a reward.

[@justinportillo3996]

@@Extreme96PL I didn’t try to make it seem that i didn’t play PL I did on my first playthrough and I enjoyed it a lot I meant when I did my 2nd playthrough I didn’t even bother to do it lol. Though I do agree probably due to the budget is what led to the decisions but like what you said the main thing that makes an RPG game well… an RPG game is making your choices actually matter. I made male V as my canon considering when I play games I always pick the male option cause I’m a guy and its always that the canon option for me unless the dev otherwise say it’s not (like how in KOTOR 2 the main character is a female instead of a guy).

[@vanman8526]

The future of mass effect not looking good 😞

[@kp64446]

Zero confidence in ME5. Looking to Exodus to fill that hole in my heart

[@grant6985]

Don't worry, there will be a trans, non-binary, pink alien in it that makes their sexual identiy their entire personality.

[@Draxila125]

yea im kinda afraid

[@DrakonPhD]

To be fair, that's in who knows how many years. For all we know, the entire team could change by then (after Veilguard there will probably be a lot of turnover/firings I feel)

[@kp64446]

​@DrakonPhD MEA, Anthem and now DAV have all been very underwhelming releases. If DAV was biowares first misstep, I'd agree with you. But it isn't. They continue to go down the wrong path and have given no sign that they understand their past mistakes. I'd just be cautious with getting high hopes fot their future games

[@MetalGamer666]

It would be one thing if the game didn't pretend to be anything but a linear action game, but the game appears to give you a lot of choices, pretending to be an RPG. That's the problem.

[@Draco-1400]

For me my perfect Dragon Age game would have Veilguard combat Inquisition battle mechanics (Flanking, attributes, ect.) Dragon Age 2 writing And Origins decision making and consequences And yes voiced protagonist over silent It makes it more memorable for me

[@salamantics]

I have to disagree with all the reviews saying the combat is the best in the series. I preferred dragon age 2 and origins combat to "click click click click(at the right time) click click click click click special ability, shift right click, use companion abilities, watch for that to be over with because the boss isn't stunned and will continue attacking so you have to be able to dodge click click click (at the right time) special ability shift right click shift right click shift right click" That's my aproximation of all the battles in this game. It's just the same boring attack loop intercut with companions doing jack shit. They can't even die, the only stake is player health and most companions can heal you meaning you don't even have to collect potions. It's very brainless fighting, i had more tactics and strategy in both origins and da2. In veilguard i spam attacks and dodge when the enemy comes near, rinse and repeat. Play on underdog difficulty and fight a revenant and tell me you aren't being put to sleep. I was playing mage, too. The most interesting and least nauseating of the classes. i would set up ambushes in origins, I would set up traps and use poison bombs, I would have to rely on my ranger finishing the fights sometimes because the rest of my party didn't heal in time. It was a lot more engaging than stallguard. because that's what all combat is: stalling until they eventually die.

[@joew1456]

I chose not to hug the griffon and then was baffled when my character waited a second and hugged him anyway. I laughed out loud but it’s my biggest annoyance when I look back.

[@SHLN-y4s]

And to think, the game director, Corinne Boush had the balls to lie to us and say this game wasn’t a reboot. 😂 What a joke of a game. I bet ME:5 will suck as well, even if not to this extent. They don’t have any good writers left, and it shows.

[@moisesfreire6408]

Lies is something pretty common on this game before it's release if you think well. -They said your companions could leave for a time if they didn't like your actions: that can happen only once with the character (Neve or Lucanis) that had their city blighted. Half truth half lie -They said they didn't want to invalidate our choices. Well, at some point in the game Morrigan states she's the vessel of Mythal and she was afraid about being controlled at first, but not. Based on that is clear that the devs choose Morrigan to be the one that used the well of sorrows in Inquisition. Not to mention all the choices they ignore for lazyness. -They said the Inquisitor would have a big part. Well, the Inquisitor did hack shit lol. At least on screen. Don't know about the female romancing Solas version, maybe the only thing they thought about the Inquisitor doing in this game involves that specific state. Which sucks. -And they said the romance would be "spicy". Which makes me have a severe concern for the future lineage of each of these developers families, because if they consider that "spicy", I'm sure their family tree will end with them. And this is just some of the things I came across. Bioware giving Todd Howard a run for his money in the sweet little lies department.

[@damhnaitcockburn2970]

@@moisesfreire6408 They wrote this entire game for Solevellan fans, literally not allowing you to make a female elf inquisitor that isn't Solas's romance choice. Any other inquisitor is a bit part.

[@damhnaitcockburn2970]

@@moisesfreire6408 I also agree that the romances are shit. I'll go back to Baldur's gate and Mass effect for decent romance and spicy scenes.

[@theyawner2170]

It's not a reboot. it's a continuation, because they just killed everything we care about in DA universe, Tevinter was supposed to be better than this. I'm crying now. This is what I have been waiting for since 2014. This 70$ piece of stinking fart.

[@Just_a-guy]

@@damhnaitcockburn2970 Wait are you just saying that it is pointless to do so or you CANT be elf that romanced Cullen?

[@editorrbr2107]

These knuckleheads took the worst parts of Andromeda (and there were many), slapped some shallow GOW combat on it, and then threw the whole thing inside the Sims-meets-Tumblr. I regret the 17 hours I spent in this game before I finally put it away forever in disgust.

[@cashnelson2306]

lmao this comment is my experience exactly

[@Draco-1400]

DAV Director Corrine Busche directed The Sim's 4

[@editorrbr2107]

@@cashnelson2306I want to sue Bioware for the $19.99 I spent on EA Play Pro.

[@editorrbr2107]

@@Draco-1400explains the ginormous cartoony heads. They almost look like Wii avatars.

[@iksarguards]

The future of Mass Effect look'n bleaker than the grim-dark future of the 40K.

[@Dark_Voice]

It looks worse than human future in Matrix.

[@kp64446]

After meeting all the companions, I created my own person quest to see how many of them can die. All of them. Best ending for sure😂

[@dorianhyde305]

Duncan didn’t die for this.

[@plutton9762]

I found it a shame that in a game that is so "mature", the enemies in companion quests never die on screen, either they disappear or they get the final blow off-screen. like in one of the rare "nice" scenes in the taash scene where she burns the dragon king alive but when she spits the fire the camera looks elsewhere

[@Unknown_Web_User]

Future dragon age games? They completely destroyed the universe. Also they killed the last remaining archdemons. Not to mention the bad game sales.

[@nataliedecicco8761]

Yeah, I don't know how they can come back from this. I think Dragon Age is dead. 😢 As a super fan of the series, I literally can't explain just how disappointing this game is. I regret buying it at full price...and gotta say I think I regret buying it at all. I should have listened to my gut and waited. They won't be able to make another Dragon Age game with poor sales and the loss of respect from the dedicated fan base.

[@mada_2]

They're trying to tease some unknown random wraith before credits roll in, but it fell so flat it broke its face. Their only viable option is to retcon veilguard. They destroyed too many plot hooks to come back from this.

[@emismpunk]

The only way they can save the DA universe is if they: A.) Reveal it was all a bad dream or a terrible story from a drunken Varric. B.) Alternate universe that reflects the worst world state possible. This is what would happen if your previous protagonists had failed in their ultimate quest/duties. Then pull out the real Dreadwolf game we had all been hoping for. Sorry for the mixup, now here’s the real game!😅

[@Helifax19]

Well.. They did it on purpose... Next game will be related to The Executors (from DA:I). Basically "clean slate" to do more roller-coaster games. I don't even know why this game got an M (18+) rating tbh... Even the blood decals are gone...

[@michaelgoudis344]

Also, if Alistair is king in DAO then, at the end of the mage quest in DAI, he will appear and expel the mages from Ferelden at which point the Inquisition will step up to take them in as allies or hostages (which also offers some smaller dialogue variations soon after, especially with Dorian).

[@Xeakquh]

On top of that if you read the books he kicks out his actual mother he never met (grand enchanter Fiona)

[@marconeves1979]

The First Warden's stabbing (if you don't convince him) encompasses another thing that is so wrong w this game. They DON'T SHOW IT!! So much gritty, cool stuff that could've been seen in the game, but these BioWare incompetents decided that all the gritty dark stuff happens Off -freakin'-Screen?! Seriously, Patrick Weekes??? 1st rule of narrative writing in visual media: SHOW, don't TELL! (edited for clarity)

[@damhnaitcockburn2970]

As a non-sequitor, how crazy is it that Hawke's voice is coming out of the face of the First Warden, who's name is Jowan/Jowin? The first time I saw that, I nearly died laughing. I am so annoyed that that is the main character that Nicholas Boulton is voicing. He deserved any better character, Hawke or not.

[@eohcyt2996]

Or some city having a Hightown because memberberries.

[@ghost1b235]

The only cool selection i noticed that impacted anything was being a Grey Warden and sending the mayor to them. He saves Grey Wardens later and becomes a hero. The only meaningful choice

[@ghost1b235]

Don't get me wrong: not defending, just a fact. Game is trash no doubt

[@AveN7ers]

​@@ghost1b235😂 my man had to put in a disclaimer that he doesn't like the game in case the anti-woke mob comes for him

[@9365fall]

player choice means a pop up saying "wow that mattered!" without it having any effect of dialogue or narrative.

[@Darkkfated]

"Scammed consumers will remember that."

[@christopherdalle8928]

Pretty early in Veilguard there's a conversation with Neve where you're given the option to comment on something regarding Tevinter (I don't remember exactly what) and the game gives you a few options, one being something along the lines of (well they're an expert of "Evil Magic") and then there's 2+ other choices either making a joke or I think being sad about something. I almost always RP my character as being a power-hungry, morally flexible mage, and gladly bargained/worked with Demons/agents of Tevinter in Origins. So given the choices of commenting on how Tevinter mages were experts on "Evil Magic", or literally any other choice, my character chose one of the other choices, as they were quite excited to maybe learn some of the powerful (if maybe a little forbidden) Tevinter magic. So I choose one of the choices that makes a slight joke about something, and at the end of the alternate option, can you guess what my character says? something about how mages of Tevinter are experts on "Evil Magic". This statement, while breaking the illusion of choice, is doubly ironic, as both Neve, AND my character, are Tevinter mages themselves. The way I have always RP'd my characters, none of them would ever blanketly label any kind of magic as "evil", just perhaps risky/dangerous. So the game gives me an option not to comment on how a mage from Tevinter would be an expert on "Evil magic", so I take the option that "Doesn't" say that, and at the end of the comment, my character STILL says it. A real Bruh moment.

[@bladescythe6589]

I have a big question. WHERE THE HECK IS MEREDITH? She was freaking teased during previous loredrops and she has no presence in the game. I'm finding videos on it but man can't find one.

[@silentsorrowbane]

? Meredith is dead

[@Xeakquh]

​@@silentsorrowbanein multiple short stories and even the Netflix show. It's shown that she as the red lyrium statue has some way to communicate and command red templars

[@prestonprice-eo1xq]

I'm guessing she was set up to be the main villain for a potential season two, but I think that Netflix has cancelled Absolution since there's been no word of it in two years.

[@Kat1kafka]

It's annoying how they turned the grey wardens into this tyrannical militarized order

[@TheLunarboy4]

Dislike this if you want, but it is disingenuous at best to compare punching/talking down the First Warden at Weisshoupt to the Mage vs Templar choice. You should be comparing the Mage vs Templar choice to the Minrathos vs Treviso choice. Both happen at about the same narrative beat, and both have the biggest ramifications on the rest of the game. I would argue that the Weisshaupt choice is better compared to either choosing how to deal with the wardens or choosing who rules Orlaies(sp?) in Inquisition. Both inquistion choices result in some cutscene flavor/cameos in future missions (who is helping you invade the elven ruin) and some wartable missions. Notable, but still minor.

[@Artjuice]

Even the Minrathous Vs Treviso questline has less consequences than you would expect! Sure, Lucanis or Neve's companion quests are slightly altered and one of them can't heal you, but the main quest continues exactly the same way. If anything, there's no reason to actually pick Treviso as you lose content (no Shadow Dragon quests), while saving Minrathous actually doesn't change Treviso too much as it's important for later main story quests.

[@mahumia]

That questline actually got me fuming. It is presented as a binairy choice: two evils, which would have similar weight (lose one city, get a reputation hit with a faction). However, choosing Treviso does indeed mean you lose content AND get a bigger hit in reputation than the other way around. Not to mention that Neve won't stop complaining about it. Choose Minrathous, and Lucanis will come around and understand that you had to make a tough decision... But it goes deeper than that, in my opinion. Hmm, have an already bad government taken over by a coup by more bad guys (Minrathous) or save a city from being poisoned and people die in droves (Treviso). Morally, I think that saving Treviso should take priority, as that will 100% kill thousands of people. But no, mingling in politics is what the devs want you to do... get your real life politics out of my fantasy game!

[@mranthonymills]

@@mahumia So what you're saying is, the choice is not simply "which city should look disgusting"? That seems like a good thing to me.

[@euuIgor]

The only difference is that you cannot romance Lucanis at all if you save Minrathous, which doesn't even make sense because you can still romance Neve after saving Treviso

[@mranthonymills]

@@euuIgor Maybe Lucanis and Neve are different people?

[@euuIgor]

@@mranthonymills if you try to romance Lucanis after saving Minrathous, a pop-up will show saying he doesn't have time to be romantically engaged your rook anymore because of Treviso, but if you don't romance Neve, She and Lucanis will become a couple at the end of the game. Sooo.. he doesn't have time to date you, but will date Neve anyways??? This becomes even more controversial if your Rook is also a Shadow Dragon and you save Minrathous, why would he refuse to date you, but still date Neve even though she went straight to Miranthous and didn't care a thing for Treviso?? 💀 It's clear This was very poorly thought out by the devs

[@crazySeafood]

The game's writing is trash, the writers and whoever approved their writing should come out and be held accountable for destroying this amazing series. The next Dragon Age game should just be an ultimate remake of this game. I think fans of the series have every right to be critical of these people. We waited 10 years only for this to be the end result! 10 years!!!!

[@joshuajefferson3504]

Know way this game took 10 years to make. 🤣🤣🤣

[@ellehcimbelle]

@@joshuajefferson3504it got scrapped and restarted at least 3 different times in ten years with multiple different teams of people, at one point it was even an online multiplayer. so this version was more like a couple of years to cobble together something at most… and it shows in the writing.

[@nathank2289]

Cant even say that about Jrpg anymore. Persona5R has 3 very different endings based on your choices near the end

[@AdApT3Rx]

Fax

[@Helifax19]

In the full game there quite a few long-er term consequences: Who helps you with the ritual, the cities decision, End-game: Who leads the other party, who fixes the barrier and then a few choices on how you distribute your team in the final fight. Also if they have reached Veilguard status or not. Too bad they are all crammed in the last 6-8 hours of the game). Yes, it's not an RPG... It's an Action game with some RPG mechanics sadly :( It's also suffering from too much "Disney"- effect ;(

[@CaptainRed1000]

Calling this an “illusion of choice” is an insult to all games that pull off that illusion convincingly. This is the illusion of an illusion of choice.

[@TCarl3_]

if i could kick taash from the party the game would be x100 better

[@KirelRed]

You mean the cow? I mean, it ain't got bull parts so it must be a cow

[@MuffHam]

In DAO you could leave the qunari to rot in the cage and die. Too bad you can do the same to Trash I mean Taash

[@animegamergeek1427]

She's the only thing about the game I don't really care for much. I don't hate her, just neutral, I guess

[@asrafkhalid1231]

​@@KirelRed😂😂

[@Draco-1400]

And why do you not like Taash in specific And why not someone like Bellara who's the most guilty of "Killing the Dark Fantasy vibe"

[@aeemoon5019]

I also hate how the hardened companion feels like is just an absent companion for half of the game. they dont have any cutscenes or dialog for the longest time, because devs cut their story instead of doing different dialogs for a hardened version

[@AlexRye-sv6no]

This game was absolutely abhorrent, i pirated it and still I uninstalled after 10 hours

[@youtubeuser9496]

Good video but you really gotta work on ad placement. It's jarring to be listening to the video only to be cut off by a sponsor or a self plug.

[@DontCallmeLadale]

So glad I didn’t buy this game. Thank you for the honest reviews. This is not the BioWare strategy role playing game I grew up on

[@Account2-ng6hr]

Convincing the first warden is so silly, there is no way a stubborn leader suddenly change his mind after rook's lame talk 😂

[@LiquidFireN2X]

The whole First Warden bit is silly. The whole world is in threat of being destroyed, with obvious signs around, but you're going to ignore that. Plus, as a Grey Warden, it's practically your duty to fight off the blight. If this was actually written well, we would've never needed to convince him.

[@miwang702]

Even some impactful choices are ridiculous - (spoiler alert!) somehow at some point I have to select companion A or B to be leader of the second team of an operation, and the one I chose would have to make the ultimate sacrifice in the end. However this person was not the only one having standoff with Ghilan'nain, two combat followers were also there and were not tied up by tendrils, why couldn't they move together? Maybe that could even make Ghilan'nain too distracted and no one would have to die. I could even make both candidates show up in the scene by choosing one as 2nd team leader and the other as combat follower, and then still only one of them would attack Ghilan'nain and die. Then a pop shows up and remind me that is because my choice before. How would that make sense?

[@samends8863]

Its also an illusion that this is supposed to be a Dragon Age game.

[@ShawnPaul-gy7mc]

The only good thing about Veilguard is it inspired me to go back to playing Origins.

[@Zymemaru]

It don't matter...none of this matters" -Carl

[@ThaliaQuinn-y7r]

Also a none decision is your race. I don't think I have ever played a DA game that didn't call me a knife ear.... and we are in tevinter- are we really pretending they would take issue with an elf?

[@gaiustheant1618]

And being qunari in tevinter and no-one cares despite the decade old conflict with the qunari which right after trespasser launched new attacks on tevinter.

[@Bluestar1079]

Bioware programmer: we've put together a list of all the complaints players had about Andromeda: The art style. the cringy dialogue. Poor storyline. Unlikeable characters. fake choices that got nowhere etc.. it's a big list sir. But now that we know, we can change it Dragon age director: Change?

[@randomguy36j98]

Since finishing Dragon Age 4: Veilguard, I remain bitter, with dissatisfaction clinging to me like a shadow, especially over the illusion of choices. Minrathous, a city of power and wonder, deserved better. My hope to stand as a Mage Noble of the Imperium, shaping its destiny, was cast aside by the narrative of the game. Instead, I was left to play as a member of the Shadow Dragon, a street faction, forced to settle for being a plebeian mage seeking justice against slavery. I tried to accept this and move forward, choosing to believe in the strength of my city-Minrathous, having the floating Archon Palace as its fortress, impenetrable, and the city guarded by golems and Juggernaut, ready to obliterate any enemy foolish enough to attack. Lore-wise, it stood as a symbol of the Imperium's might, for 300 years it is the only place in Thedas that is not able to be conquered by even the Andraste and Qunari. But in Veilguard? It crumbled. My choice between defending Minrathous or Treviso turned out to be meaningless. Regardless of my decision, Minrathous was destroyed. This isn’t a choice; it’s a farce. An illusion of agency that mocks the player, dangling consequences that never materialize. It stings deeply to see a city, so deeply rooted in the grandeur of Dragon Age lore, reduced to nothing but ashes for the sake of a shallow narrative. The promise of choice in Veilguard is a cruel hallucination-visible, yet empty.

[@Canadian_Zac]

I think an amazing show of how... clean, they've made it When he kills the first warden, it just shows Rooks face In other Dragon Age games, you'd at least see a knife going for his throat, before cutting away, or show you the whole thing. All you see in this is the guy walking towards him

[@memes13560]

Even fallout 4 had more choices with 3 yeses and 1 no as choice

[@happydog6577]

The more video's i see about veilguard, the more i want to play origins.

[@agent9149]

I have to agree. If this was a standalone game, I would have enjoyed and spoke praise of it. But compared to previous games, I cannot. There was so much potential for diverting paths and different player options.

[@Crocogator]

Playing through the mass effect trilogy with a friend making all the choices for us. It's wild how much STUFF there is in ME2 that directly influence ME3. To see Veilguard just... Be worse than vanilla ME3 with no save import? Yikes.

[@BlondeNordic]

Is it just me but at times i felt like they borrowed elements from Mass Effect like the last chat before the big fight it felt very much like Mass Effect 3 ending...

[@mustafaozturk2542]

Nope, the game basically builds on the Mass Effect system. The UI is similar to the Mass Effect, and the quest structure is the same as the Mass Effect. I bet they copied code from the Mass Effect files and tweaked it for this game. They were lazy and spent almost 10 years doing this.

[@ellehcimbelle]

it was a weird Mass Effect/God of War hybrid and it just did not work imo

[@Hero0451]

Just like Dragon Age 2, this game appears to be the Demo for the new Mass Effect.

[@RawdTheFormerVirgin]

It’s sad to see great studios and IPs get destroyed.

[@insane13juggalo]

I like to coin the term this game doesn't have a "butterfly effect mechanic" you have no decisions that change the rest of the game all decisions lead to the same point.

[@anomnom3144]

Your reviews of this game have been most helpful. I have tried to watch some critical reviews of this game on YT to see how the game is and what's not working, and 99% of the videos I find are just moaning about the DEI content. Some KZbinrs have like 637 videos of the same topic, crying and complaining. Yeah, DEI content it's there, but what about the rest of the game? Choices, story, writing, characters, character missions, side quests, choices, RPG elements, leveling up, weapons etc.? I want to hear about the whole game, not just a single part of it.

[@atlanteean]

then check wolfheart and fextralife, they are pretty objective reviews focused on the game itself

[@QuackenInsanity]

Older Bioware games had a tendancy, often, to give you the illusion of choice a lot of the time (saving the concil or not, in ME1, was ultimately a meaningless decision, as was choising between Anderson and Udina) but they at least had enough meaningfull choices that you could wind up with plenty of unexpected consequences for your actions. First time I played Mass Effect 2 I did Miranda and Jack's loyalty missions super early and, when I got to the scene where they were fighting, I had to choose one because I didn't have enough renegade/paragon points. I chose Jack, naturally, and lost Miranda's loyalty. When it came time to send someone back with the Normandy crew (which was just Dr. Chakwas because I finished other loyalty missions after getting the Reaper IFF) I chose Miranda since I thought her being unloyal could get her killed or fuck up the mission somehow. She died on the way, and thus was not in my ME3 playthrough. Incidentally, I didn't do some of the ship upgrades and Jack also died as well 😭😭

[@ryutak4152]

I had a lot of fun with this game, but I completely agree with you. Enjoyment of this game highly depends on your expectations. I did not expect Origins from it and I like Heroic fairy tales so I liked it. But it is not Dragon Age. This is a great game but bad Dragon Age.

[@PikangsFutaba]

Sad that this game your decisions almost never matters (the only moment it kinda matters is the NOT Suicide Mission), it's a shadow of the old trilogy.

[@eugeneoisten9409]

There's no actual choices as they didn't want you to actually offend anyone in the game or outside the game! This isn't an RGP game. It's a Friendship Simulator!!!

[@HyouVizer]

1st warden being still sane, mentions Isseya feather of her griffon Revas. Then when she goes to stab Assan, you bring up the feather causing her to drop the sword. IF you don't have the feather, she kills Assan. This would all be due to punching 1st Warden, him later being delusional about it so not mentioning feather needed to convince Isseya. with Assan dead, Davrin loses 2 of his 5 combat abilities and the griffons get blighted, continuing the Gloom Howler boss fight, needing to kill all of them for good. This would have consequences, all avoiding from NOT punching 1st Warden which I'm sure many player did especially 1st playthrough.

[@Joshua-do7vo]

If this is the bar for quality that BioWare and EA are willing to call "AAA", the next Mass Effect doesn't have a prayer. There's always the chance they can course correct, but judging from the response to criticism and the "Plug your ears and sing LALALALALA I can't hear you" that the 'Modern Gaming' development landscape is in... I doubt it.

[@fitmcdeezy8778]

Finally someone not sucking the games wang and telling it like it is. I felt like I was losing my mind with all the people saying how good the game is!

[@Vesp3r1987]

13:35 Remember when in Origins you had the choice to ither put the muzzle on the mabari or end its misery? I remember...

[@evilkid9493]

100% agree on the AC Odyssey comment. One of the first few games I thought of when I saw Veilguard gameplay. You can kill your stepfather in that game early-game and that'll change how your ending plays. Makes me sad that an Assassin's Creed game is more "RPG" than a Dragon Age game.

[@Taggart00]

Sounds like Telltale choices

[@Hesadryt]

Very telltale until about the last hour or two.

[@justinportillo3996]

@@Hesadrytbasically the same thing lol choices don’t matter not until the last few hours or episodes of the game

[@snoguy7181]

Telltale had good writing

[@ellehcimbelle]

@@snoguy7181yeah the first Walking Dead game is a legit masterpiece.

[@Xsorus]

Oh they don't? Tell that to my boys Davrin and Assan

[@Jagpour]

What are your thoughts on the secret post credit scene?

[@ИльяЗемляник]

Somebody with conspiracy psyco diagnosis got a chair in writers room and conviced other writes, who didn't checked previous game plots that his/her idea will be good.

[@robertthornton7900]

This is even worse than Andromeda. smh. It has Bioware safe spaces written all over it. Generic Disney level dialogue. And in its efforts to display modern society and todays values ... it has completely lost its identity. Add that to ignoring a decade of choices. And the fact that no DLC is coming... I am deeply saddened. DAO is my all time favorite game. And Im not buyin Veilguard till its on sale. smh

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

The name Veil gave it away, to conceal or disguise.

[@Lupo-Exulans]

Remember when we lost out sh!t with ME3 original ending? LOL That was nothing compared to what they did to DAV

[@kilo1012]

I liked how choices worked with Lucanis where he made his own decisions based on what he's seen you do.

[@quickestlaughs]

This game is as shallow as a puddle lol

[@anthrax2413]

If the choices doesn't make any difference in one game that already scrapped all choices from previous games, what makes people think it will make on future games that won't exist because Bioware is dead already?

[@WolfheartFPS]

Thanks for diving into this Dan. I couldn't muster the energy to replay anything to test these things out 😂

[@TailsxNobody]

So Duncan died for nothing... great job EA

[@xmidnightx61]

Soooo somehow they forgot that Hawke, if you saved them in inquisition, went to Weisshaupt... sooo where is he?

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

What annoyed me was when Morrigan's stating all of her titles they couldn't even have her say that she fought at the side of the Hero of Fereldan. They didn't have to mention romance or a child because regardless of the choices made in the first game she still fought alongside the HoF. It felt like a intentional slight.

[@CraftyApe]

The big question is what does Veilguard do better than any of the previous games? Besides graphics I really struggle to find a single thing that's better.

[@Conqueror25]

If you choose to go thru the valley, you'll cross the bridge across the ravine, bridge breaks you plummet down below. If you climb the cliff and cross the ravine, the rocks break out from under you and you plummet down below..

[@BaileyGreenwood2001]

Honestly the only choice that is legitimately unique and great is if you play as a grey warden you can send the mayor of du mettas crossing to weishuampt and at hossberg he does help the wardens and you can save him in a quest but several wardens mention how hes helped them

[@Necrostrike]

Even worse is Harding and the Titans. The Valta story from Inquisition goes nowhere, she's a temperamental rock now that turns off, and Harding's resolution is basically getting in touch with her emotions. In the finale, what happens? The titan's story dies with Harding. Instead of using her titan magic, none of it comes out, she fires arrows at Ghilanain nonsensically, and at no point does she ever confront the evanuris with the power of the titans. The titan storyline is buried with her.

[@dandyboytv8204]

Choosing Minrathous or Traviso should have made Neve or Lucanis turn on Rook. Depending on their bond level they would either attack Rook or leave the guard forcing you to decide not only what town to save but if your companion lives or dies on that choice.

[@Dark_Voice]

You know when a shill and kinda very cautious person like Dan actually is critical about something that its REALLY REALLY bad. After couple reviews and seeing some parts of the game I faced the most influential choice in DA Veilguard - should I play it or refund. The more I see about the game the more the refund sounds good.

[@signalnine2601]

This reminds me of a joke on the trolley meme. "Three people are about to be hit by a trolley. The lever is not connected to anything and will not change the outcome. Do you pull the lever?"

[@xxTICxxTOCxx]

"Nothing controversial!", I've seen this echoed by so many people. How is it not the most controversial BioWare game ever released, and for all the wrong reasons? Ever since the character reveal trailer it's been mired in controversy. This same studio is making the next Mass Effect: current BioWare's mismanagement, incompetence and 'message driving' agenda will mire ME5 in the same controversy, and produce another piece of garbage.

[@MarK0-D4c]

In BG3 choices are more wild and impresive. Is a shame that Dragon Age, the franchise that inspired Larian, comes to this.

[@DiddyCanFly]

I genuinely didn’t think I’d ever skip a major entry in a BioWare game yet, here we are…