The Imperial Officer Who Founded the First Order [Canon] - Star Wars Lore Expanded and Explained

[@TheLoreMasterYT]

I will be uploading videos created by NumidianPrime (writer) and Vader's Fortress (editor and narrator) alongside my own. NumidianPrime has read every single Star Wars Legends and Canon book/comic, so there will be videos on topics and SW eras that I have yet to fully read myself (I'm currently still finishing up all the EU books/comics between the Prequels and New Jedi Order era). Let me know what topics you'd like to see, ranging from the Old Republic, to the Yuuzhan Vong, and everything in between!). NumidianPrime's website: numidianprime.wordpress.com/ Vader's Fortress channel: kzbin.info

[@pyeitme508]

Er screw this

[@shawngiver5570]

You should do some videos on the galactic alliance era, Darth Krayt, fel empire etc Like really break down the political aspects of each faction and the military of each one to.

[@RepublikRakyatNusantara]

Thats why the narrators voice sound familiar

[@Regulatory_Vagrancy]

It seems like Palpatine killing an accomplished women of color like Sloan, on screen; was not in Kathleen Kennedys' vision for Star Wars. Imagine that?..

[@mr.treeforrster6624]

@@Regulatory_Vagrancy Kathleen Kennedy has practically nothing to do with the storywriting process. I'm sorry you're so threatened by nonwhite people showing up more in your favorite movies

[@brambo3011]

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it seems a little odd to me that Sloane was so disgusted by Rax's use of inhibitor chips on prisoners of war at Chandrila, but had no problems with the First Order abducting, brainwashing, and ruthlessly training children to be murderers for 25 years. Nonetheless, a great video as always!

[@orbaitv5991]

That's why a lot of people think she was killed by Snoke or left the order.

[@brambo3011]

@@orbaitv5991 Perhaps, but it seems like the child kidnapping scheme was revealed pretty early in the timeline of the FO - at Jakku - so she probably knew about it when she decided to follow in Rax's footsteps and start the First Order, and I just don't think someone who was disgusted by the inhibitor chips would sign up to lead a project when they knew upfront that it involved abducting and brainwashing children.

[@hefrov10]

@@brambo3011 The inhibitor chips were essentially the foundations of the Empire lol

[@timyuusis3372]

Dont expect that much thought put into it, the new republic decided to have the chancellor be the head of the senate instead of a separate executive branch because it would reduce the chances of another guy like palpatine from using the postion as head of the Senate for gaining personal power even though the old republic also didnt have a seperation of powers... Disney just likes Hypocrites

[@brambo3011]

​@@hefrov10 Ok sure, but the Clones' chips are unrelated to this, and virtually no one knew about the inhibitor chips' true purpose, that was the whole point. Only Palpatine, Dooku, and the Kaminoans knew (aside from the very few who figured it out). The galaxy at large likely wouldn't have even known of their existence, and was less likely to care. Sloane didn't join the Empire knowing about the Clones' chips, that's why she was disgusted and surprised by Rax's using them on PoWs, and thus why I don't think she'd be alright with leading a new Empire knowing its army is made up of kidnapped children.

[@user-Jay178]

That is a cool thumbnail and cool to see who founded the first order. Great video lore master

[@MrCaptainA]

One of the big mysteries in the current Star Wars canon is Sloane's final fate. She was one of the key founding members of the First Order, and has been confirmed to still be around while Supreme Leader Snoke was first rising to power, but she's nowhere to be seen during the sequel trilogy. What happened to her before Episode 7? Did Snoke (for whatever reason) kill her or have her killed? This is a question I hope gets answered at some point in canon.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

I hope a series shows the rise of the Order I like to think there was an internal conflict between the moderate and fanatic members of the FO and that decided their fate going forward

[@jayjyuri8796]

Likely she was killed

[@EmperorTikacuti]

“The individual who founded The First Order was none other than Emperor Palpatine Himself. Although His body was disintegrated, He cheated death by learning Darth Plagueis’s secret sith knowledge how to overcome it. I love you Palpy 😍✊👊”

[@Kolonol1]

Yeah not really how it worked....only in Disney wars lol

[@EmperorTikacuti]

@@Kolonol1 I know what you mean 🤣

[@redgaming2654]

Did Sloane really believe that she could defeat Kanan?

[@NobleRaider2747]

It was back when Kanan/Caleb was still an outlaw

[@lowkeylaw]

She didn’t know he was a force user.

[@shawngiver5570]

They really should have done the legends post empire era and made the first order one of the many different factions. I think Phasma should have had a larger role to emphasize the military’s junta aspect more. Kylo Ren could have been his own character instead of a poor man’s Darth cadeous and his knights of ren could have been a dark side version of the light imperial knights in the fel empire. Maybe to connect fallen order Taron malicos could have survived being buried alive and trained kylo. General Hux should have kept his characterization from his speech he gave at starkiller base, a ruthless fanatic. Gideon should have been used more as well since he was so well cast.

[@darkwolf4434]

Kylo Ren was his own character.

[@samuelebincoletto637]

Not bad but i was thinking something like this. The First Order would instead still call itself the Imperial Remnant although it did become a Military Junta led by the Supreme Commander of the Imperial Forces. Rae Sloane is the current Supreme Commander after she reunited all other Imperial Factions under her command. Phasma would be the Imperial fanatic instead of Hux and her background would be totally different, she served the previous Empire as a Death Trooper and as one of Palpatine's Royal Guard and she now serve the Imperial Remnant as Grand General of the Stormtrooper Corps. Armitage Hux would be the Director of the Imperial Secret Services, and agency created with the unification of both the Imperial Intelligence and the Imperial Security Bureau alongside the rest of the entire COMPNOR. All agents are trained in a 4 years academy where they learn to be masters of Teras Kasi, marksmen second to none and excellent spies, investigators and diplomats. The agents are also now the only one to receive the ranks of Moffs and Grand Moffs and aside of being governors they also act as special police officers like the Sector Rangers. Rey would be one of the many children taken by the Imperial Remnant to be trained as Stormtroopers after her mother was killed, instead of becoming a Stormtrooper she became an agent of the Imperial Secret Services becoming one of the best agents despite being young and inexperience. She would later defect the Empire after discovering it's involvement in her mother's death and would later become the apprentice of Luke Skywalker whom she later discover being her father. Finally, as a way to be loyal to the ideas of George Lucas, Maul would replace Snoke. He's not technically part of the Empire but he's an important ally and he's also the most powerful crime boss in the galaxy and the most powerful Sith lord of his era. Also Thrawn trilogy would be Canon as well.

[@shawngiver5570]

Kylo ren is the canon version of Darth Caedus aka jacen solo

[@blackpanther1013]

@@darkwolf4434 no he wasn't

[@Mate397]

Ah but that would have required a shit to be given, and that was something the Disney trilogy never had.

[@eugenestevenkong9430]

Really hope one day Disney makes a show about the rise of First Order. While I didn't like the Sequels, the concept of First Order was interesting .

[@manuelgrothe608]

Gideon and the Hux family created Snoke

[@thestørmcrier2024]

Especially since in the films it’s not explained how it came to be

[@PedroMartins-ep1oe]

well I wish Disney would quit trying to influence SW story altogether. Their scripts are crap and hostage to "the message"

[@SnowtrooperTW-5102]

Too bad the First Order in the movies was made so ridiculous, instead of relying on the Empire to be a greater power, they made the same mistakes regarding troops and vehicles (not counting officers with twice the incompetence of imperials).

[@AshanBhatoa]

How? The First Order walkers? They are designed to not fall to the same techniques. Such as Attack Pattern Delta.

[@martianimperialcouncil9194]

@@AshanBhatoa I don't think it was necessarily Troops and Vehicles the First Order did poorly, more their management of such. Their logistics was strained as it is, and most of their members were serving out of fear rather than legitimate loyalty. Their faction also doesn't seem to have an end goal, and seems to just murder and pillage for no legitimate reason other than to be evil.

[@Abornarazine]

@@martianimperialcouncil9194 Well it is based on real world NN, who are a group of scared disorganized genocide supporters... So that checks out.

[@davidnorris2009]

Can you do a video about the yuuzhan and all good things the empire did

[@T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov]

Omg yes!

[@Kj16V]

The "yuzonzong" Sounds like a Chinese musical instrument 😆

[@SnowtrooperTW-5102]

That would be like, summing up two or three decades of reign.

[@jewishspacelaseroperator5410]

@@Kj16V it’s Yuuzhon Vong

[@CATCHTHERAINB0W_]

@@SnowtrooperTW-5102 hey, not much good stuff happened under the empire, so it wouldn’t be a long video.

[@T34-Tank-Commander-Volkov]

This is actually my favorite channel

[@orbaitv5991]

Best SW channel imo

[@madowl5382]

you have a new subscriber. the new writer and narrator are amazing, so excited for the future of this channel

[@Karlos1234ify]

Would you rather be a clone? A being with a chip in your head, short lifespan, a 50/50 chance of dying in battle & no free will? Or a Imperial within choking distance of Darth Vader?

[@fucky889]

A clone

[@SnowtrooperTW-5102]

The Clones didn't know about the chip, with a few exceptions. They would only know after Order 66. And Vader didn't normally use the force choke on his soldiers, because he admired their bravery in battle. As for the officers, well...

[@darrenbutler9819]

well, if you got the kink.

[@manuelgrothe608]

Gideon and the Hux family used Necromancy to create Snoke

[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks for telling Rae Sloane’s story. One of the more interesting Canon Imperial characters.

[@manuelgrothe608]

As Grand Admiral In Mandoverse seasons 2-3 or 4

[@marshalllatta2073]

It's surprised not all Stormtroopers and imperial officers are not all dead

[@user-Jay178]

I mean they is a lot of them

[@AshanBhatoa]

Why would they be dead?

[@DalekOfChaos666]

Sloane should have been the villain in Rise Of Skywalker.

[@RJTheCerealGuy]

Nah I would’ve wanted thrawn

[@swietny]

@@RJTheCerealGuy Thrawn was killed but ok.

[@darthbane418]

@@swietny he wasn't killed yet remember Ezra brought him with him to wherever he went

[@hunterkiller1440]

Ironic, it's a black lady who revived the Space Neo Nazi Empire.

[@TheZamaron]

SUre the EMpire is kind of Nazi like, but the Empire sees the superiority of Humans in general, not just one race of Humans.

[@benivinson3693]

@@TheZamaron yeah plus I hate it when Star Wars gets all real life politics cause Kathleen Kennedy and her woke patrol, just saying

[@TheZamaron]

@@benivinson3693 Agreed

[@Captain4707]

@@benivinson3693 not defending the sequels or Kathleen Kennedy for butchering Star Wars but you do realize that the original trilogy was based on the Vietnam war right?

[@benivinson3693]

@@Captain4707 yeah I know that but it was much MUCH more subtle than the sequels

[@leefylizness551]

Yes a lore master Video!

[@mr.treeforrster6624]

This video is so good, please do more of these

[@person14876]

Hell yeah I hope you do bigger videos like this for other topics Thank you for making this

[@euankane7928]

I love how the star hawk’s first appearance was just like ‘yeah it’s got an upgraded tractor beam’ then ever since everyone has just been like ‘it is a tractor beam’.

[@deadshot5007]

Hey it's Vader's Fortress

[@wickdaline8668]

I'm sure Palpatine had a hand in the First Order's inception and Sloane was part of his plan. Too bad that was never hinted at since that was never part of the sequels' plan from the start.

[@bullrun2772]

Really sloane was never mentioned as part of his plans

[@emzonik8851]

Since you moved a bit past rotj, will you also make a video about post-galactic civil war Empire in Legends lore? That would be the Vong war, 2'nd GCW, Fels dynasty and Krayt's takeover.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

He’s always done that

[@emzonik8851]

@@seriousnesstv7902 No, he has been always moving between CW and ROTJ.

[@johnnymeckins7866]

Sloan's appearance changes was she A CHANGELING!!!

[@googesowders8622]

A great clip . Ties in several novels to explain a hard to understand time line . 👍 I salute you sir.

[@joselucnico]

Very interesting but in the cinema we only see the Skywaller family.

[@Ns-dy4vz]

Awesome video mate keep up the good work your videos are awesome can't wait to see more

[@ironspider23]

That’s a Very cool story about this character I did not know this information better than you do keep up dude work

[@redadmiralofvalyria867]

I feel like she was just one of many who saw the apparent "GOOD" parts of the empire

[@obiwan7149]

Anakin look we’re you ended up

[@forcierlogan]

Please put the original piano background music in that you had before. It was one of my favorite things about your channel, next to your narrating

[@martinneiverth8401]

Strange, you linked the thumbnail, but Joshua does not have this artpiece in his website.

[@yapyapthedestroyer2562]

Hey it’s Vader’s fortresses voice. Neat

[@roger632]

I'd say her story is pretty good both in canon and legends. Though one thing is questionable.... What happened after she discovered the Eclipse in the unknown regions? Did she utilize it against the New Republic or what happened to it? I didn't see the Eclipse anywhere in TROS, unless it's still underground somewhere. Curious.

[@goodmind4940]

she's not in legends???

[@SWDude2710]

She never appeared in Legends! She first appeared in 2014 and not before.

[@guskes8889]

The main problem i have with the new star wars film is that they keep reusing the old movie plots, after the empire is crushed a new order is created (you would think the rebels would keep the empire down) but they get to rise again and again. and every new order builds a sort of new stronger death star, which gets destroyed. like how can they do all this whilst staying hidden until strong enough

[@goodmind4940]

no one had this problem in 2015 when they made a remake of ANH, where were you then? Everyone was praising it because finally George Lucas stopped torturing them with bad dialogue

[@guskes8889]

@@goodmind4940 oh i also disliked that they kept reusing the plot then

[@bryanmanuelbaes7871]

@@goodmind4940 there were complaints about the plot being similar and I was like 11 at the time. Though compare to the other controversies the following movies would bring... TFA was the least problematic

[@MrRonald327]

That's a nice history lesson.

[@JohnSchafer-rs2nh]

I really hope she gets her own animated series or live action series.

[@ABCDyeahyeahyeah]

The Rae we should have had a sequel trilogy about. Also, wonder if she was meant to be a canon Daala

[@Hogan231]

Hello there, The Lore Master.

[@bluestar4579]

It should have been Grand Admiral Thrawn as the founder of the First Order.

[@goodmind4940]

nah, Thrawn would have never founded such incompetent faction

[@tbphillips9649]

What if it was a starkiller clone who became snoke

[@Leonhardt_Nukryst]

Nice collab

[@jongsungchoi9993]

I What was rae sloans reaction to the sith eternal and the revalation that palpatine's survival and rey being his granddaughter?

[@nicolasrage666]

If her faye is unknown then I really would like to see her make her on-screen debut in the "alleged" next series of SW sequels. Palpatine needs to stay dead and a new villain needs to take over. Rae Sloane is a legend, so is Thrawn and of course, Palleon. Imperials Warlords battling each other AND the 3rd incarnation of the New Republic would he a fun story.

[@spritemon98]

Now I'm just imagining a guy in accounting some how becoming the leader of the first order by pure accident

[@macwade2755]

Great video!

[@samuelebincoletto637]

Imagine if she was the Supreme Leader of the First Order instead of Snoke? That would have been way better.

[@deathtrooper6657]

No

[@samuelebincoletto637]

@@deathtrooper6657 Why?

[@deathtrooper6657]

@@samuelebincoletto637 Because I think she fits better as someone who leads the first order into battles, maybe a first order fleet, but to lead the entire first order it would be too much for her, remember snoke managed to hide the first order for 30/29 years and build starkiller base without the resistance knowing about it, I don't think she could do that

[@samuelebincoletto637]

@@deathtrooper6657 I don't know what to say because i don't know Sloane as much as you do (i only know her through this video and a few others alongside the information given to her by Wookiepedia) but i still would love the idea of her being the Supreme Leader of the First Order, she has a real connection with the Empire after all so overall it would still make more sense than Snoke. Beside the First Order is a Military Junta, right? A nation led entirely by the military, so i was thinking that perhaps Sloane would not have as much difficulties to lead the First Order as you said, i might be wrong though.

[@deathtrooper6657]

@@samuelebincoletto637 I agree with you, I want to see her lead the first order as well, but as I said before, I don't think she could lead the entire first order army but maybe a first order remnant after the rise of skywalker, but I don't think she is alive after the rise of skywalker since she was in her late 60s, early 70s before the force awakens if I remember right, and like you said the first order is lika a nation led entirely by the military which means they only care about strength and power and in the comic books Sloane is not at the same brutal power level as the first order, of course they can change that and make her a brutal first order leader but I doubt it because she doesn't feel like that kind of person, I think that's one of reasons why the first order chose Snoke

[@peachwallets7647]

Yes! A full size vid!!!!!!!

[@josegalindo7742]

Hey Lore Master. I have an idea you can do for your next video. It early demonstration of the Holdo Manuever in Legends. It involves the Blockade of Yavin and the Executor (Vader's flagship) being ram by an Imperial admiral seeking glory to destroy the evacuation of Yavin 4. Just look up the name Amise Griff.

[@darthjader77]

For the Empire and long live the Empire and the First order

[@christianmancino1672]

The good ending of Star Wars: Rae Sloane becomes Supreme Chancellor

[@PinkFloydBootlegs]

Yooo new narrators

[@theCantinafan]

I think that officer is the most gated person among star wars fans

[@mythoos5266]

Gilad Pellaeon fits this better but that Legacy for You

[@tigeralbatros9432]

So you guys are telling me the Eclipse is cannon and maybe still hiding somewhere?

[@jeremydale4548]

Wait, I just realized. With this CANON story, THAT MEANS THE PLANET KILLING SUPER STAR DESTROYER IS CANON!

[@JLoC.2479]

Please be about sloane or gallius rax not hux baylou story is epic

[@past4155]

The most powerful armies in the history of the galaxy

[@dakotasavage2192]

The voice sounds like Vader Fortress

[@dionesvaldez088]

RAE SLOANE - THE IMPERIAL OFFICER WHO FOUNDED THE FIRST ORDER

[@zexonhairi7215]

So sloane wasnt upset about the inhibitor chips. She was upset about raxs use of the chips to ruin the peace talks.

[@ajra6143]

Hope she kept the receipt.

[@incrediblestudios5609]

Wilhuff Tarkin

[@enegmatixerebro]

It was Jar Jar don't kid yourself

[@masonbendik9063]

I think that it would have been better if Sloan was supreme leader of the first order because she took control of the empire remnants and helped builded the first order to me she would have been perfect to lead the first order. I think she ended up with thrawn and they are building a new empire with thrawns species.

[@thetotaldramaking5427]

Very good video

[@wintermute_309]

Ep 7 shoudlve focused on finn as the main character. Following his story from a storm trooper to revealing him as a force sensitive individual and he trains to become a jedi. Ep 8 should be ben's redemption arc. Make him cross path with finn as the latter's link with the force grow stronger and have Ben guide him after he leaves the dark side. Ep 9 should focus on Sloane as the new emperor and habe the two fight her in the final battle.

[@spiffyblueeyes6102]

Where are these cutscenes from?

[@Inverted-is9rv]

The emperor wasnt on the ship. Vader was.

[@amputee1967]

Sloan : A Star Wars story. Sure, Why not?

[@titicopalpatine9576]

Too nice

[@justic7033]

Dose anyone know what happened to the eclipse.

[@markusallen5634]

The EU explains how the Remnant was formed, which happened when many in the Empire felt that the Emperor's way had failed, and that the Empire needed to change and adapt, while the rest of the Empire believed in being loyal to Palpatine's vision. The same could be applied to the formation of the First Order when it first started.

[@jakehasashi3271]

This video is about the sequels and accidently put canon in the title

[@KnjazNazrath]

Death Squadron.... DEATH SQUADRON? A literal six year old could come up with a better name.

[@yseson_]

A the Force Awakens Snoke makes no sense, his whole origin was completely bungled

[@tbphillips9649]

Bruh what if snoke was starkiller and took control of some imperial remnants and than created the first order to take over the galaxy

[@flyinghedgeh0gs824]

Vice admiral sloane has ordered a retreat get to your ship commander survive those are your new orders

[@declangaming24]

I feel legends is better than Disney cannon as there is better story's in legends like force Unleashed 501st journal ect Disney cannon Squadrons Rebels and bad batch which is decent but not as good as legends.

[@AshanBhatoa]

The Alphabet Squadron Trilogy. The new Thrawn trilogies. The Aftermath Trilogy. Lost Stars. And etc.

[@declangaming24]

@@AshanBhatoa do you agree the that the prequel and the orginal trilogy of films are better than the sequel trilogy of films ?

[@fc90airrescue90]

Nice

[@cars1-2isthegoat]

THEY'RE NOT DEAD!!!

[@Karlos1234ify]

Damn Ewoks.

[@AndrewArminRyan]

The downfall of the Galactic Empire is far superior in Legends, this is just lazy writing.

[@AshanBhatoa]

How? A quick end to the Galactic Civil War is more faithful to ROTJ.

[@smallblockafc3948]

It sucks Ep 7-9 are trash cause the first order could have really been something amazing maybe even better then the empire

[@spritemon98]

Wait what? She founded the first order???

[@tbphillips9649]

Not really if I’m right

[@basedcommodore]

Space Hitler

[@KissTheGreat]

Remnant is pronounced remnant not remenant

[@59master60]

Plot twist: The imperial officer works for Disney and he is the reason why the sequel trilogy was bad. If he didn’t exist, then no first order, therefore no sequel trilogy.

[@HyperspaceCafe]

We don't do that here, move along.

[@bullrun2772]

God the stupid comments are ridiculous

[@tolgadeniz15]

fr🤦‍♂️

[@jonathandiaz4997]

14 months ago

[@jonathandiaz4997]

2 months ago

[@jonathandiaz4997]

Gh

[@maroosagaming]

smh this isnt official canon its disney bullshit that doesnt go in the real sw universe

[@tbphillips9649]

I like her

[@gonhunter3994]

Yo

[@thestørmcrier2024]

Hunt down refugees from Alderaan, for what? Execution?

[@WhoTao-nm1uw]

Ig lore master’s old voice got too deep to continue narrating

[@seriousnesstv7902]

Ike I prefer the old one

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

Honestly the First Order was just Empire 2.0 and Canon ruined Sloane’s character. In legends she was a member of the Empire but she was moderate and had a very complex character. She wasn’t a black and white character. I wish the sequels had been about the Yuzhan Vong war

[@paulsteinhauser434]

7-9 stunk and needs to be erased. She would've been more interesting if it was legends. Sloane and Ysannne Isard would have been a pair of interesting villians.

[@deadshot5007]

Wdym? Sloane wasn't in legends I think.

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

@@deadshot5007 She was. In legends she self appointed herself to Grand Admiral after the Battle of Endor

[@deadshot5007]

@@EdaugEthanbYT In which books did she appear?

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

@@deadshot5007 Not sure off top my head. I’m not very knowledgeable about EU Sloane

[@darthsidious197]

Ay up

[@panos617]

He founded what?

[@frankiesfunhouse6418]

Me vader

[@IronDragon-2143]

Look I can appreciate that someone is trying to make some sense of the Sequel Trilogy but my mind remains unchanged. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you can't enjoy them if you do and if so more power to you as far as I'm concerned. And I'll never speak or think poorly of you if you enjoy them. But I think the Sequel Trilogy are terrible movies that disrespect the original series, deviate significantly from George Lucas' vision and tell a very poorly written story. So I'm just going to say it, the Sequel Trilogy cannot be decanonized too soon.

[@bullrun2772]

Honestly you people just want what you want so anything like this won’t

[@IronDragon-2143]

@@bullrun2772 If by you people you mean the fans then yes. We want Star Wars to be fun and enjoyable again. We didn't get that with the Sequel Trilogy. Some people may have enjoyed it but a huge majority of fans, myself included want the Sequel Trilogy stripped from the official canon. And since fans are the paying customers Disney, a corporation wanting to make serious bank should care about what their paying customers want.

[@bullrun2772]

@@IronDragon-2143 wrong I mean toxic fans like yiu

[@IronDragon-2143]

@@bullrun2772 LOL, I remember how Ryan Johnson insulted the fans too. Calling them toxic just as you are right now. And Disney lost money because of it. In short, you keep insulting your customers, you will always lose.

[@bullrun2772]

@@IronDragon-2143 lol you are toxic bye