The Inspiration Behind Cersei Lannister

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[@Nougatocity6]

The problem is that Cersei only loves her children in the show. In the books she is a complete sociopathic narcissist, and only loves her children as an extension of herself.

[@Nougatocity6]

@@Robin-dt4zu Bruh what? Cersei is the polar opposite of smart. Her entire character arc is having her plans blow up in her face because she doesn't think things through. That's true to both the books and the show.

[@Nougatocity6]

@eoe123321 It's not that she doesn't show love, but the intent behind her love. Joffrey is her favorite child specifically because he is the most like her, and her love for Jamie stems from the fact that Jamie is what Cersei believes she would be like if she was born a boy. Now, this isn't explicitly stated outright, but it can be inferred relatively clearly I feel.

[@edward657]

Nougatocity6 Is that not really just the biological reason behind why all women love their children though?

[@jessica2575]

Nougatocity6 the show kinda shows it too but not as much

[@Nougatocity6]

@@edward657 I, uh, certainly hope not. That's not a good reason to love anybody, to be honest.

[@plamenivanov92]

and Sansa`s inspiration was Anne Neville the second daughter Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick (the "Kingmaker")

[@robertocontreras9143]

Isabella the fair was the daughter of Phillip the fair the king of France, and she was the wife of Edward ll .She was the one known as the she wolf of France. Know your history please

[@ashlieyoung2003]

What is it about Edward II that makes him such a pivotal King?

[@robertocontreras9143]

@@ashlieyoung2003 Edward ll he didn't live up to his father's legacy Edward l longshanks, ;and like Robert baratheon he didn't put his affairs in order he was more interested in having fun and also neglected his wife ,he was murdered like Robert and his young son became a king same story

[@cinnow]

Shakespeare describes Marguerite of Anjou as she wolf of France

[@saikeenra]

A "she-wolf" was a fairly common insult for women in power, since their will to rule was considered "unnatural". Isabella of France was often referred as one, but Shakespeare for example called Margaret of Anjou a she-wolf as well ("She-wolf of France, but worse than wolves of France"). There's also Eleanor of Provence (wife of Henry III), who was derided as she-wolf during Victorian times.

[@robertocontreras9143]

What about Eleanor of Aquitaine the mother of Richard I was she referefereed as a she wolf?

[@irena4545]

If you're looking just for a "strong woman" parallel, you will find aplenty. However, in broad strokes, her role in the story is based on Elizabeth Woodville (a blonde beauty), the wife of Edward IV (notorious womanizer). After Edward's sudden death, his eldest son was a minor, and his uncle Richard made a move for the throne claiming illegitimacy of Edward's offspring. The sister-brother incest is a page from Anne Boleyn's trial.

[@PrincessLockette]

I thought that was based off of Lucrezia Borgia?

[@irena4545]

@@PrincessLockette Good schemes get repeated, I guess?

[@verycool2050]

if you're looking for a brother lover see Lucrezia Borgia

[@lordvoldemort4242]

I love how historically rich this comment section is.

[@pedroalitovar6624]

Margeary Tyrell has also things of Margaret of Anjou, even more I would say. I'm sure that George inspire Margeary's name on her, and her history. Both marry kings after king to win power. Cersei, anyway, talking about Greek Mythology has also things of Circe and Medea. Even Circe and Cersei's names are similar. From Medea... well... Medea sacrificed her children for vengaence. In the S6 of the show, Cersei did the same with Tommen, so is probabbly she'll do something similar in the books too.

[@someguy-bv3il]

I think margery is Anne boleyn

[@hearmeroar301]

Margery is based on anne bollyn

[@conankudo9957]

What about circe? Some similarities with her as well. Hence even the names are similar

[@xxsimproxx5601]

They certainly were both very free with sharing their body (to manipulate) and very condescending towards men, considering them all incompetent. There are undeniable paralleles, a nice notion.

[@pedroalitovar6624]

Also in Medea. Medea sacrificed her children for vengaence. Cersei did the same on season 6 with Tommen, maybe she'll something like that in the books too.

[@Quintusblake]

I don’t think that’s how you use ‘hence’.

[@Ian-Omega]

@@pedroalitovar6624 She didn’t sacrifice him, she didn’t know he would kill himself

[@pedroalitovar6624]

@@Ian-Omega She already know her actions would have consequences

[@auto_math]

Helllloooo! Catherine of Medici anyone?

[@matthiasebert7380]

I feel like she's more of an inspiration for Olenna(just as Eleanor of Aquitaine is). Though Catherine also faced an ambitious family trying to gain power at court and had the whole religious trouble that cersei had plus some

[@neuralmute]

I've always seen large doses of both of them in both Circe and Olenna Tyrell, at different times in their lives. Then again, I also fancy I see more than a dash of Lucretzia and Cesare Borgia in the pair of Cercei and Jaime Lannister, too. The trouble is that both the characters of ASOIAF and the real people who made up renaissance era European history are so rich and varied that you can find parallels everywhere!

[@draganamitrovic4250]

👍

[@draganamitrovic4250]

Why everyone must be from England??? There isnt logic for Margareta,there is not logic for Isabella.

[@claireindigo1200]

Auto Math yesss Catherine

[@Altrantis]

Thematically maybe, but the she-wolf of France was actually competent unlike book-cercei.

[@Altrantis]

@★ Froggie Animation ★ Not a native speaker so I had to have google translate it. Says it's a "cirio" in spanish, that is a large church candle in catholic churches. It's supposed to always be lit.

[@cinesoda2082]

Agreed. Book Cersei is a moron and consumed by arrogance and idiocy. Show Cersei had more backbone and love for her children but it came to nought.

[@draganamitrovic4250]

Katherine de Medici!!! Nostrdamus is Maggi the frog.

[@Prashant-xl1rv]

@@cinesoda2082 Cersei is smart but she has been tortured and humiliated a lot and that's reflected in her actions - she has been victim all along and the most misunderstood character

[@cinesoda2082]

@@Prashant-xl1rv You're talking about the show version of Cersei not the book version. Book Cersei's strategies and scheming are so ill conceived and idiotic it's no wonder her father and Tyrion don't rate her. She also uses her children as a means to keep power - she is cruel to Tommen in the books. The show made her more sympathetic at times and gave her more shades which made her a brilliant TV villain. Her ending in the TV show was dumb. I'm interested to see how she goes out in the final book.

[@seaninness334]

I always saw Elizabeth Woodville as a large part of Cersei's story and not simply because she was the wife of Edward IV who is clearly the model for Robert Baratheon. I'll have to read up on Margaret of Anjou.

[@EDDIELANE]

I feel like it would be more Matilda myself, with the early royal marriage then being forced into the next royal marriage / being super commanding/ like a king. Margaret of Angue was rather more of a warrior

[@siren7193]

They can't go a full phrase without saying "strong woman".

[@tomass.5540]

Agrippina the Younger anyone?

[@AndriaBieberDesigns]

Tomas Shannon oh yea! Good comparison

[@draganamitrovic4250]

All had 1 child,only Katherine de Medici had 3 plus prophecy.

[@nmisk3127]

Good one Tomas. I wasn't thinking that far back.

[@0htwo]

Thanks for busting my car speakers. Damn video has such low volume I had to crank it up to max to hear anything. Then comes the comercial with full force lol. Rip

[@18632ewa8]

I really hate it when people make videos that you absolutely cut the volume up to its maximum and still can't hear word they say.

[@Blood0cean]

Udidnt miss anything. They were just jerking off strong females and incorrectly retold history that has nothing to do with the inspiration behind the character.

[@mkultra2456]

Your speakers are gay

[@syedshabazs1036]

I thought she was like lucrezia from the Italian borgias

[@neuralmute]

She and Jaime certainly have some parallels to tales told about Lucrezia and her brother Caesere Borgia, though the truth to any of those stories is always questionable... Much like future historians of Westeros might say about stories told about the notorious Lannister twins! ;)

[@hayleychang9484]

I miss game of thrones so bad.

[@maria_s3731]

I always thought she’s really similar to Hurrem Sultan like powerhungry narcissistic but cares for her children

[@Baileaf11]

Edward the 3rd’s mother Isabella was called ‘The she wolf’ not Margret

[@vis_18]

I love these GoT historians 😂

[@countravid3768]

I don’t know Cersei seems more like a medieval Aquafina (mother of Nero) or Livia (mother of Tiberius) with George’s creativity sprinkled in their.

[@irena4545]

You mean Agrippina.

[@countravid3768]

​@@irena4545 yeah I was pretty thirsty for an aquafina.

[@Prashant-xl1rv]

Yeah that's what I thought

[@sweetlikechocolate437]

At 02:13 the lady that was shown was(I think) Lady Jane Grey and not Margaret of Anjou.

[@user-db7om5wu5j]

No that's Jane Shore. He was talking about her at that point in the video

[@netflixacc1726]

also parts of Queen Elizabeth Woodville

[@numberpirate]

I can't watch this as the volume is too low.

[@ryanflaherty3417]

Is there like a KZbin video that contains this whole documentary?

[@pedroalitovar6624]

I think its name is "the real history of Game of Thrones". It's on youtube

[@ashspinks9529]

I heard somewhere that the lannisters were based on the borgias? Makes sense in some ways

[@erikr968]

The sound is extremely low on these videos. Please check the audio volume level to ensure it is normalized.

[@Gotenks7Kid]

How would Tywin have reacted to Cersei’s walk?

[@kkandsims4612]

If tywin was around she never would have walked in fact the high sparrow would not be a thing .

[@camotophat]

Did we mention she's strong? Just to make sure, She's strong, okay?

[@RMFeminine4TheWin]

*i could've told the High Septor & them that this would only quicken their DEMISE!!! she didn't feel any shame. Cersei was plotting during that ENTIRE walk. she was looking at the Red Keep thinking: "...just keep walking, just get to those cashes of Dragonfire. they're all gonna pay. in A S H & B O N E."* 👸🏼💭🔥🏰👴🏻💥⛪💨☠

[@ninamimi6622]

Do these historians know any history outside the war of the roses? LOL

[@OnEwHoRiDesLinEs]

Nina Mimi yeah, every historian is like “well what about THIS person from war of the roses?? Wait... what do you mean, ‘someone not from war of the roses... what else is there?’”

[@mattkaczor5565]

@@OnEwHoRiDesLinEs maybe it’s cuz the war of the roses was the inspiration🤔🤔🤔

[@jclev2491]

Most historians only feel comfortable discussing topics within their very focused scholarship.

[@asddsdsssd]

Ive noticed there is a shit load of similarities between Byzantine history and politics and a song of ice and fire. The battle of the black water is essentially one of the sieges of constantinople, and a lot of characters share story elements with some of the more infamous emperors such as Justinian II with Tyrion

[@vrushaleemayekar3119]

lol

[@Dajen_Tk]

Is there one of these videos for Jon Snow? I wonder about his inspiration

[@benjaminstacy3227]

I feel like Jon is supposed to be based off of King Arthur. Like the legendary king he gets command at a young age, does his best to do the right and just thing no matter what, commands loyalty from a small band of his order, and is strongly suggested to be the true king of Westeros. If and when he comes back from the dead, I’m thinking he will begin down the road to being king and may eventually wield the legendary sword, Dawn in the Long Night…

[@DaveyFish1]

Your page is fucking awesome

[@AnonGro]

Dan Jones 😄🤙🏽

[@chissstardestroyer]

If I'm going to publicly shame someone; I'm going to reveal their crimes for all the world to see, via a trial, not have them go around completely unclothed; as that'd be adding a whole new sin to the mix- which's disgusting by the way, and is a condemnation to murder the person who commanded them to go unclothed as well as the one who does so for their foolishness. Heaven help the religious leader who commanded her to expose herself like that in basically a porn-show, as far as the content in behavior goes, as he'd be killed long before he could repent for that, precisely *to* ensure his loss to Perdition for that foolishness, as well as all religious leaders who insisted on that kind of a punishment at that... Heaven have mercy on them, for *I shall not*!

[@bobbyzangla9499]

Interesting

[@jsan4505]

Or she is the evil queen from Snow White.

[@draganamitrovic4250]

Who is younger and more beatifull queen 😁

[@maskedmarvyl4774]

I thought stripping the character of Cersei (as well as Lena Headey) naked was sadistic and cruel, and unnecessary for the show. They could have stripped her down to her undergarments or a simple sack cloth outfit and it would have been just as effective. The biggest injustice done to Cersei was how they had her die in the end; completely throwing away her character arc. It would be like the Joker meekly crying when he saw the roof caving in on him, or the Evil Queen in Sleeping Beauty meekly dying of a cave-in. Cersei would have gone out kicking and screaming, and scratching the face of her would-be killer.... They stole a great ending scene from both Cersei and Jamie. The writers of that failure should have been stripped naked and forced to walk naked through the streets of Hollywood, as fans through R.R. Martin's books at him, and the same nun that followed Cersei following behind them and saying "Shame! Shame!" Except those two schmucks had no shame. They wanted to ditch Game of Thrones as quickly as possible, so they could start writing for Star Wars. So they threw the show overboard, along with their fans. It would have been better if they simply hadn't had an eighth season. Any fan of the books or the show could have written a better ending for the characters than those two schmucks, in my serious opinion...

[@tj54441]

Get over it dude it’s a show. I could write Star Wars better too doesn’t mean I’m gonna cry about the ending

[@colinwhitlock5148]

It was a body double, but for the character it definitely wouldnt have been as effective. For the double actress, I imagine if she took too much issue then she wouldnt have done it. The show has a certain track record.

[@donna25871]

I thought Catherine de Medici was a better match for Cersei.

[@mongezimaepa]

I need the name of the theme music towards the end of the video

[@michaelobrien4784]

does anyone know the name of the blonde female historian in this?

[@dusan1039]

Can anyone tell me where this is from?

[@cauliflower6439]

Dušan no

[@dusan1039]

Dawson Douglas why would you think that?

[@Julia_Lobo]

It's from this kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZXaZIGumdakatE

[@TheFtjz]

whats the name of the documentary on character inspirations

[@derAngrif]

What are you talking about? their only inspiration was to put a faded blond periwig upon the head of Lena Headey. And their unique inspiration for choosing her as Cersei was the recommendation of her beloved friend Peter Dinklage(Tyrion). The result, the Cersei of the series has nothing to do with the original Cersei of the books. I even venture myself into saying that the Cersei of the series is the worst version of Cersei Lannister the world has ever seen.

[@draganamitrovic4250]

Nope,Cersei Lannnister is Katherine de Medici, franch queen, there are many,many paralelas,read some historical book !

[@LukeandLucas]

Since Martin has said he loosely based GOT on the War of the Roses, it makes perfect sense to choose the woman from that time that beat reflects Cersei’s background. There was rumors Margaret’s son, Edward of Westminster, paternity. She was protective over Edwards claim to the throne. Edward Did she have characteristics of different powerful women of that area, sure...but if one HAD to pick the closest parallel, my money is still with Margaret of Anjou.

[@kkandsims4612]

So if she was known as the she wolf would more inspiration for catelyn be taken ?

[@danieljames921]

Magaret of Angu and the She Wolf of France are not the same.

[@AlexanderAshcroft]

this video is kind of quiet.

[@Djcm00137]

Where is this video from?

[@alexbourke8273]

What programme is this from ?

[@bloxa]

Which docu is this?

[@JokerL1000]

I lost all respect for cersei when she cracked her buttcheeks open for Euron.

[@BrofUJu]

She's trying to trick other people into thinking her child is Eurons and not Jamirs

[@lironrozental63]

Please never phrase it like that, ever.

[@Prashant-xl1rv]

It made me respect her more, it only showed her strength

[@vis_18]

😂😂😂

[@bobbymaldonado3748]

Id be so proud to walk down the street nude all the townsfolk gleeming at my magnificent manhood swinging in the breeze, blowing kisses and shaking hands with my beloved peers a great honor indeed 🤣🤣🤣

[@Rpgesusgoingin]

mu cousin from Alabama

[@xxlCortez]

Is Cersei really a strong woman? She overestimates herself, fails to control Joffrey out of her own stupidity and while possess a certain cunning, most of her power comes from her privileged status, not something she earned or innately possess.

[@anaszvvz9354]

عائشة القذافي

[@suburbanindie]

She has no character arc though. She learns nothing and destroys herself.

[@eggheadusa]

Not everyone has a arc in life and in story.

[@suburbanindie]

@@eggheadusa Last I checked, Game of Thrones is not real life, it's a story. Characters are supposed to have arcs in stories, otherwise there's no reason for them to exist. Case closed.

[@eggheadusa]

@@suburbanindie That’s why I added “and in story” you goober, not only can’t you not read but also can’t comprehend common sense. You want Joffrey to become a hero and see the error of his ways? Go watch pbs or shut up if you can’t even rationalize your own point in your own head.

[@mrjackelbox4418]

She becomes more ruthless as the show goes on, and the little shred of love she had died

[@mrjackelbox4418]

​@@suburbanindie of course it's real life.... If you don't treat a story as real than there is no reason to care about anything in it, if it has to follow a rigid structure, and become obvious and stale.