The Intel Arc A750 - Can it Survive Battlemage?

[@GroundGame.]

Good work as always Proceu! One day I hope to make a novelty build with a 12500 and B580

[@paulboyce8537]

4k and A770 16gb does have a good playable entry level performance. A750 8gb is not enough for 4k needs more VRAM and clock speed being a bit lower leaves it to 1440p. B580 24% faster than A750. It puts the performance on A770 level with a difference that it can't do 4k. 192 vs 256 bus making the difference. I do have to say that I'm very interested what is the performance difference between PCIe 4.0 (REBAR) vs PCIe 5.0 (direct access). So far INTEL gave PCIe 4.0 results with i9-14900k. Point to make is Arrow Lake architecture seems to be tailor made for the ARC with strong E Cores. Also Z890 board and PCIe 5.0 with direct access to CPU and CUDIMM that is needed for high speed and optimal pairing still seems to be idle and not utilized. Where is B770/B780 that in all INTEL system could challenge 5080? It seems like lost opportunity when there is huge interest on these high tier cards. Looking at the presentation of INTEL for B580 and Peter saying 150 games for XeSS when it is over 200 makes me think these cards were ready at least 6 months ago already. Is this why the CEO "retired"? None of the less I'm happy about XeSS2 and it is backwards compatible for the Alchemist. A770 already had doubled it performance and now add XeSS2 with XeSS FG and XeLL. The performance is doubling again. And what about APO in all INTEL system having a huge potential. And overclocking on top. 2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W. I'm running A770/i7-13700k for 4k. It works good on almost everything. Aging like fine wine just getting better and better. There is no driver gaps anymore to AMD/Nvidia. All the problems are the same. There are AMD sponsored games and Nvidia sponsored games and INTEL is doing well on both. Sometimes from launch it might take a week or two to optimize but so does AMD and Nvidia trying to run the competition games. I wish all this driver talk would die down already as it has been good for last year already if not better taking in count the architectural differences.

[@kennethwilson8236]

all on point, I have the A750 and A770, both on 12600ks with different motherboards (asus and MSI). My A750 lags just due to VRAM at 8GB issues. The A770 for me runs 4k without many issues except for specific games. Starfield is a great example, but most of that was the games problem not the card. Starfield really was not playable until they released a huge patch and has repeatedly needed patches, basically it released in a beta state. Hogwarts legacy is the other game, uses up the vram really quickly on the A750, but no issues on the A770, but I play it at 1440p. Would Like a B770 to replace the A770 and move my A770 to that PC with the A750. Then use the A750 for a 3rd build to mostly be used for a secondary setup used for my server testing. A 265K and a B770 on new build would be optimal for shifting things around.

[@paulboyce8537]

@@kennethwilson8236 With XeSS2 it might double the performance again. This is wild. A770 has just got stronger in time. It is great to hear from user testimonies that differ from testing that clearly are BIAS. With PCIe 5.0 it might improve again. But yes I'm also waiting for the B770/B780.

[@ProceuTech]

Took me time to process what you were saying, but I couldn’t agree more with your original comment!

[@paulboyce8537]

@@ProceuTech With XeSS FG and XeLL that are backwards compatible you get a good boost. REBAR vs PCIe 5.0 direct access also should give a good boost that leads to CUDIMM and Arrow Lake boosting the CPU side speed that has a direct effect to GPU. How much is anyone's guess but it should noticeable. Yet no one is talking about APO in all INTEL system that has a promise for 10-50% gains. There is lot more than is talked about.

[@kaithong8482]

Your opening script is so true and it’s what I always tell ppl when considering Arc. On some UE5 games or dx11 games, they felt terrible most of the time with inconsistent performance in high fidelity areas compared to a more less detailed area.

[@Irish_Hooligan]

I just picked this card up second hand for $100. Replaced a 1070 in an i3-12100f PC. The PC has only 16gb of ram, but I have 32gb 4000 mhz ram on the way. Rust being a badly optimized gaming engine I was still getting 60-110FPS on very high settings (my I7-12600k with 3070 was getting around 200FPS). On Delta Force on high I am getting 160FPS without using any FSR/DLSS/XeSS settings. This is all on 1080P. I would say this is a perfect budget 1080/1440 for a budget.

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

I hope the B770 comes out. i'd love to buy it as a replacement for my RTX 2080

[@MarkHyde]

Guines pig approves this message lol :) Yeah I hope Intel are able to manufacture B580s at scale to challenge AMD. Drivers have improved markedly since this and A770 have launched but they both still lag behind newer generation cards from AMD (and ofc NVIDIA) I have a A770 in my media PC here and it is amazing with my emulated Plex server via pass through.

[@roqeyt3566]

I think it should've been phrased the other way around: Did the a750 survive long enough for battlemage to arrive? o7 to the heroes who bought and used alchemist, so that we can see the b580 make a timely entry into the GPU space

[@gamerjc3877]

I did the math based off Jays 2 cents FPS data on the B580 and here are the results. For the A750 get 33% improvement in 1080P for 32% increase in cost. For 1440P gaming you get 35% improvement. For A770 you get 24% improvement for 9% cost increase in 1080P. In 1440P its a 20% improvement. This puts the A770 in a hard spot even though it has 16GB memory. I can see price cuts coming. These costs are based off the lowest A750 and A770 I could find on Amazon and Newegg.

[@wthteevo]

Another advantage the S series has over the B's is that they're not being scalped and price jacked on ebay!

[@frankwong9486]

Watch whole video only see a750 benchmark and like 10% of video length was actual compare to battlemage (based on spec numbers) Maybe I come back later after you posted new compare / benchmarks of battlemage

[@mike13foxtrot79]

Picked up the A380 for 75 bucks, new built a PC for my Niece, she home schools and mild games. Got the A750 OC 3 fan for 249 in a build that is just stored for now as I upgraded my own desktop before replacing. Grabbed the A580 for 189, just to have a spare GPU for desktop. All from my Local MicroCenter. I don't game on the Desk, I got a separate Gaming rig I built in Feb 2020 in an old Corsair Vengeance case. It has been upgraded and AMD 7500XT 15GB GPU now. The 7500 in the desktop. Have another build in plastic with the AMD 5500XT will probably grab the Battlemage card for that one later.

[@pbd6488]

Alchemist 750/770 GPUS will still be supported with new drivers, XESS 2, XESS frame gen and XESS LL. Why does everyone think they’re just gonna EOL alchemist. No one from Intel has stated this

[@Alakazam551]

B580 is 24% faster than the A750 btw.

[@kasadam85]

Imagine the B750

[@godnyx117]

In Gayrece, A580 costs about 203€. The B580 hasn't launched yet (not to my knowledge at least) but it's safe to think that it will be priced around 300€. On Linux (recent benchmarks were made on Phoronix), B580 has a very slight advantage over A580 who, not only performs surprisingly well but, it's even better on Linux than on Losedows (at least on the banchmark that were used). At least for Vulkan on Linux, battlemage sucks hard!

[@ProceuTech]

The A750 doesn’t perform exceptionally well in Vulkan on Linux, but it does still perform decently. It’s more nice that it’s a viable option now, as opposed to a hard “avoid” like it would have been a year or two ago!

[@godnyx117]

@ProceuTech Well, that's why I'd either get A580 or B580, depending on drivers. Phoronix will probably do another benchmark "update" in the summer probably one more to compare B580 with new AMD GPUs so, we'll see how drivers go...

[@mach389]

3:54 lmao.. It sounded like you said 183 fps.. I had to go back and watch because I was just listening. I was gonna say how the f?? Good video tho 👍👍

[@ProceuTech]

Should’ve said “100 along with 83”

[@Mackm249]

im using a 5600x and a arc a750 rn

[@marekpiatek447]

i have a750 mine stuggles on train imgetting stutters adn big fps drops but overall i say its okay gpu

[@sun29981]

They still upgrading driver everyday. You should report your problem to see if it's solved

[@kennethwilson8236]

no, I would pick up a B580 to replace it. really nice upgrade.

[@AntCrazyy]

6 days later- yea no it ain’t surviving.

[@undyingv0id397]

my dad bought me this gpu for my bday lets how this goes lol

[@ProceuTech]

Will definitely be interesting!

[@mikeclardy5689]

i just clicked on this video to answer the question: no. and thats a good thing for once. A series SUCKED. thats why no one uses it or stuck with it. its a sad truth because it otherwise is a decent piece of hardware. Best guess is they needed to prove they could make a gpu before being granted a full wing of people dedicated to it. Thats why alchemist has little to none DX support so older games and software wouldnt run or just wouldnt play nicely. On what it is properly configured to work with, its between a 3060ti-3070+ in performance which is very nice! it just has crap for support. Battlemage is supposed to have a performance uplift AND the proper support from the start. so it should be actually viable for more user-scenarios, while having better and newer features that you wont be able to just ignore. the two leaked lower end cards look like a perfect match for my mobile pc build. when it launches, if its close to what its hyped up to be i'll probably buy one for that very purpose. And as much as i love AMD, i dont wanna see intel fail. last thing we need is only competition between nvidia and AMD. that would be hell. Im hoping they have a reasonably steady launch and their cards come competitively between 4060-4070 in performance but obviously way cheaper. That would help the pc gaming community soooooo much. Gamers just need acess to decent hardware at a reasonable price. they havent had that in like 6 years.

[@ItsThicc]

Asking Honda to be a Ferrari is wild. First gen cards from intel are the setup for the B580 and beyond.