The Invincibles are NOT in Top 3 PL Teams

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[@Dee_arrAbdullah]

Listening to theos ball knowledge is my guilty pleasure and makes me feel better about my own.😂

[@MS-do8ht]

Factssss

[@martinhurst8190]

"I don't know ball" the most accurate statement Theo made in this video

[@alekhorsman6972]

Probs the most accurate take he has made on the podcast lol 😂

[@Ben-fg2hu]

how he pretends

[@MS-do8ht]

Ikr

[@Howyanow]

Tom is the only person keeping the integrity of this podcast

[@landerz1990]

Rory’s hate for chelsea is incredible…..15 goals conceded in one season is so much better than drawing 11 games in a season and dumbed in all competition.

[@danielvenzke2023]

Arsenal conceded 17 in 98/99, but that's never talked about cause no one cares. Going invincible is a real, tangible impressive thing

[@ironheade22]

@@danielvenzke2023 But it doesn't make them better. The objective of the competition is to accrue points, not avoid defeats.

[@Will-cg9br]

Genuinely think it’s so simple, the team who ended the season with more points is the better team and season, Man City 100 points, Chelsea 91 points, and man united 08 got 87 points but also won the champions league

[@jonbon6843]

agreed

[@danielvenzke2023]

@@Will-cg9br i don't think you can simplify it to that. Leicester got more points than one of the Man U winning sides, and no way on earth they're better than them

[@sebastiangavaghan1003]

tom is so good at getting under peoples skin and you can see how much he enjoys it

[@quinn2002]

3 certainty’s in life 1. death 2. taxes 3. arsenal fans overrating the invincibles

[@dangrifdhsbxjs8424]

If your team went 38 games unbeaten im sure you’d be rating them as well

[@quinn2002]

@@dangrifdhsbxjs8424 you could go 38 games unbeaten and still get relegated plus they were beaten in that season multiple times just not in the league. they lost to a championship team as well in the cup. overrated team

[@Milo_751]

​@@dangrifdhsbxjs8424 Liverpool went 44 games unbeaten which is only 5 less than the invincibles and Chelsea 40 but that doesn't mean much to you does it

[@dangrifdhsbxjs8424]

@@quinn2002 good thing Arsenal didn’t get relegated then isn’t it. They won the league title. Don’t really know what you’re trying to say.

[@dangrifdhsbxjs8424]

@@Milo_751 not really if Arsenal went unbeaten for longer mate.

[@eoghanbuckley390]

Theo’s ball knowledge is absolutely shocking haha

[@sebastianturner1771]

As a Portsmouth fan , loving Tom Garratt here , and he’s bang on .

[@edwardbane4032]

We need reev back Pls , I cant take no more of theo's devastating ball knowledge.

[@thisissosadalexaplaydespac3956]

“Invincibles” but lost to Chelsea, United and Middlesbrough that season.

[@ffbear8078]

UTB 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️

[@adnan161093]

Also got beat by Inter and Dynamo Kyiv that season

[@swinno007]

Got beat twice by us

[@ahmardjaved2511]

There is nothing worse than Arsenal fans waffling about the invincibles 😂

[@aidentaylor6072]

One loss and one win is better than two draws. Invincibles we’re an incredible team but not a top 3

[@MH-lz7jk]

You’ve hit the nail on the head there mate 😂

[@james0234]

Tom just loves it when Theo gets rattled, see the smile on his face 😂😂

[@footballhipstertv]

The crazy thing is Juventus went unbeaten under Conte ten years ago but their fans dont boast about it because they've won many many league titles and 5 European trophies so its not a big deal to them. For Arsenal its the biggest thing they've done so they'll only talk about that

[@samwood4733]

Also proven match fixers 😂

[@percheavycdq]

Because they done it in the best league in the world without cheating 😂

[@footballhipstertv]

@@percheavycdq Serie A was more competitive than the prem in that time. People forget the PL wasnt always the best league. It was Serie A, then La Liga, and now its the prem. Also the match fixing scandal was long before Conte went unbeaten. Conte actually took the job rignt after they got promoted back to Serie A

[@JAM-hg4mp]

Er no, Serie a was definitely not better than premier league in the early 2010s lol

[@sas6498]

If van nistelrooy puts his penalty 6 inches lower no one mentions 03/04 Arsenal anywhere near top 5

[@davidfordham4066]

But he didn’t lol what a stupid comment

[@LoyalFan9383]

Key word ‘if’

[@maxm7365]

@@LoyalFan9383 Just leave it he’s a united fan he loves playing the what if game and I bet he doesn’t know what SAF said about the invincibles😂

[@eleonarcrimson858]

If i win a million dollar lottery i would be a millionaire

[@granth1238]

@@eleonarcrimson858 well you'd have to may tax on it so probably wouldn't be a millionaire 😂

[@sindrekarevik4663]

Chelsea lost 1 game in the 04/05 season to a yes then bad man City team but only 1-0 to a Anelka penalty and got to a UCL semi final where a ghost goal decided the game. They also only conceded 15 goals that season

[@charliebrett2432]

Tbf The Utd 99 and 08 teams along with City centurions and the Liverpool team in 2020 would crush that Arsenal team. Not to mention Chelsea 04/05 15 goals conceded all season long.

[@caitlinbrennan9039]

Chelsea CONCEEDED 15 goals all season

[@deangreen2567]

Anyone who isn’t saying the Manchester United 1999 treble team is being ridiculous. They won the title the previous year, won the treble, and then won it the year after. Nobody has even won three in a row besides Man Utd twice. Now imagine Man City won it three times in a row, and the second of those three was a treble, and the team was comprised of mostly youngsters from the academy. It’s unreal.

[@lbr9359]

I’d argue they scrape top 5. City centurions, Jose’s Chels 04/05 and both United 07/08 and 99 teams are all better than the “invincibles”

[@alekhorsman6972]

That is my list in order as well

[@Tylertalksfootball1234]

Yeh honestly liverpool either last season or 97 point seasons might be better theb arsenal

[@adambassuni6084]

@@Tylertalksfootball1234 easily, ultimately they were like 6 points behind the centurion city team over 3 fucken seasons

[@gladostato8127]

I would say City’s domestic treble and now City’s treble are also both better.

[@callumrosen9628]

Once again listening to Theo’s opinion on football is worse than someone scratching their nails down a chalk board 🤦‍♂️

[@lee84]

“Liverpool tried” - all teams try…. It’s called football, the aim is to win repeatedly

[@thegreenchair3293]

Controversial opinion but I think City 2019(98pts) was better than City 2018(100pts) Sane and sterling that seaksn were unreal

[@LoyalFan9383]

It shouldn’t be controversial

[@Milo_751]

Does Liverpool 2019(97pts) in the same season also get up there or even Liverpool 2020(99pts)

[@vonvard9765]

Tom is my boy. He's a city lad in secret. Love him

[@flypenguinsxt]

i just found this channel not too long and watching theo and rory's take on some of this topics is insane. Its the equivalent of me asking my dog how to fix my wifi its equally pointless.

[@OrenAjb]

Funny how Rory talks down on Newcastle's acheivements this season mocking their number of draws. but seems to think arsenal getting loads of draws and not losing is elite

[@akshaypanwar4964]

Liverpool wanted to win every game and arsenal just wanted to avoid getting L , there's diffrence in mentality.

[@Gunner_99]

You were on the team, are you stupid? That same team would go one to 49 unbeaten. May 2003 to october 2004 before we were cheated against man utd and here you sre questioning the players mentality. Lmao

[@akshaypanwar4964]

@@Gunner_99 you know numb nuts, you using "we were cheated" you weren't on the team either and you know why you weren't on the team , coz you're as hairy ass stinking pussy. You gotta problem with my opinion , say it like a man , if you're a man , you wanna come strong by saying "stupid" and shit like that , I'm not going to take shit from shits like you .

[@oscardickson5588]

Based on achievement: 1. United (treble) 2. City (98 points, domestic treble) 3. City (100 points) 4. United (07/08 ucl and prem winners) 5.. Liverpool (99 points) 6. Chelsea (conceded 15) Based on performance: 1. City 18/19 - 98 points and domestic treble in a season where European finals were dominated by English teams 2. Liverpool 18/19 - 97 points and UCL winners in a season where European finals were dominated by English teams 3. Liverpool 19/20 - 99 points, fastest title winners ever and 61 points from a possible 63 after 21 games 4. City 17/18 - 100 points but lack of any serious competition 5. United 07/08 - Ronaldo Ballon D'or, peak Rooney and Vidic/Rio 6. Chelsea 04/05 - defensive record won't ever be beaten Invincibles don't make either list, they would literally come behind all these teams based on points total, and they didn't win any other trophies to improve their argument.

[@benleadbetter03]

Points record not goal tally*

[@andrewgraham3967]

Toms’s ball knowledge is carrying Theo….

[@Ryan-vr2gb]

so if a team getting relegated by going invincible isn't impressive, then clearly going invincible doesn't mean anything. its winning the league that's impressive and they just so happened to go invincible.

[@kylemccabe3081]

Agree with Tom, I’m a Celtic fan and seen us go unbeaten a few years back and a would say there is better teams that haven’t. Now for example I’d say we have a better team and play better football than then. Only a small point but a guess proves going unbeaten isn’t everything

[@StopTheBoats.]

City centurions, Chelsea 04/05, United and Liverpool under klopp all better teams than the invincibles not to discredit the invincible team they were unbelievable. oh and the lad on the right has a serious air of “I’m better than everyone else” about him

[@CB-ms2cq]

Every team besides that Liverpool team are better than the invincibles.

[@Milo_751]

@@CB-ms2cq 97 and 99 points b2b and only 11mm of being invincible in 18/19

[@KM_1304]

@@CB-ms2cqThat Liverpool 19/20 side could’ve won the prem invincible and centurions if it wasn’t for lockdown

[@CB-ms2cq]

@@KM_1304 But they didn’t and arsenal did…..

[@KM_1304]

@@CB-ms2cq nevermind, just realised that they lost to Watford before lockdown

[@excusemyfortnitepfp9189]

1st is United’s treble second is city centurion third is debatable between invincible n chelsea but I’d give it to Chelsea bc I think other teams could’ve gone invincible if they went out early in other competitions but nobody else could only concede 15

[@footballhipstertv]

To get 100 points is incredible, but as a Barça fan I'd say when we won the treble(twice) it was better than when we got 100 points. Its more satisfying to dominate every competition possible, and Unitrd were the only team to do it in England so that puts them top for me

[@alekhorsman6972]

I actually agree with Tom

[@Xy_Jayy]

Cos u have a brain

[@jakewade1484]

The season Tom says chelsea would have battered the invincibles, was a season later and arsenal drew both games with them, scoring twice in one game

[@blakenewton9536]

Only Arsenal fans rate the unbeaten season highly liverpool team that got 2nd got more points

[@darthdeimos264]

I swear Theo's ''ball knowledge'' is getting worse everyday.. I feel better about my own after watching him 😂

[@Milo_751]

Genuinely think Paul Breech would do a better job than Theo sometimes

[@glenntowell8922]

A Random dig at Liverpool when he’s in a debate about arsenal and united goes to show he’s clueless you can see his guests are even done with him

[@CoryJT]

Tom is spot on here.

[@Isaac-gf3jt]

1. centurions 2. 07/08 united 3. Chelsea 04/05

[@Tylertalksfootball1234]

Swap units and chelsea just because the only lose was a last minute pen

[@alekhorsman6972]

@@Tylertalksfootball1234 agreed

[@cbc899]

In Fergies last 7 years United, he won 5 titles and got to 3 Champions League finals, winning 1 losing the other 2 to probably the best club team ever. United were 1 point in 1 season and goal difference in another season from winning 7 titles in a row. No doubt that is top 3.

[@snookerstones]

I’m not saying kompany should be in there but from March to when season finishes I’m picking him over any premier league defender

[@garycovey4231]

Where did Reev go?

[@LiamsFriendStewie]

It's one of those, you simply can not tell an Arsenal fan they aren't the greatest. The unbeaten novelty reigns supreme in their eyes. How every to fans of other clubs (not everyone) just sees it as a great achievement but novelty. It might be the best achievement, I'll have that argument.. But not best team. As that guy said, you can't be the best whilst playing for draws and getting beaten in all comps. Chelsea who were near impossible to score against, City who took 3 points from EVERYONE and United winning it all. I'm sorry but it just is more impressive to me.

[@KuliksonProductions]

Did Reev leave and I missed the announcement???

[@dwshd]

O7 08 United team would obliterate the invincibles

[@daniyaalhussain7593]

Maybe other achievements were better but that invincible team had hall of fame premier league legends like henry bergkamp Ashley cole patrick viera.

[@djdrpepsidew4164]

In my personal opinion, Chelsea’s 04/05 team is the greatest premier league team of all time I’m a palace fan

[@bigwengz914]

In my personal opinion, you do not understand the term 'greatest'.

[@djdrpepsidew4164]

@@bigwengz914 and that’s fine, that’s your opinion and I respect it. Even if it’s wrong 😉

[@SDI1996]

Chelsea 04/ 05, United's treble winning team and City's centurions are all better sides than the Invincibles.

[@maccamorrice3054]

United 3 time prem champions in a row is much more impressive than arsenal team who drew loads of games that season

[@muns8928]

That's the most overrated achievement in the history of football.

[@maxm7365]

@@muns8928 your greatest ever manager who won that treble for your club has openly said that an invincible season eclipses all other achievements 👍

[@bluemoon1716]

@@maxm7365 Fergie also said that winning a domestic treble was impossible. Not for city

[@keeganbell6224]

They aren’t anymore. United treble, City treble, Chelsea 15 goals conceded, Liverpool 99 points, City Centurions, etc. Actually City and Liverpool have had multiple teams each in the last couple of years that compete.

[@harrison7259]

Other teams have gone more than 38 premier league games unbeaten it was just unlucky that they didn’t do it from the start of the season to the end

[@MrBuurh]

By Tom's logic of 'you can go undefeated & still go down' you could also only conceded 14 goals & still go down... people who try to discount the Invincibles as an incredible team are morons! Henry, Bergkamp, Cole, Pires, Campbell, Toure, Viera, Lauren just to name a few were all unbelievable players! 'Getting 100 points is better' yet Liverpool finished on 99 a few seasons later? Is that not equivalent to people discounting the Invincibles because Chelsea only lost one game the following season? Sir Alex literally said that achievement ranks above all else...

[@davidferguson5577]

I rate quite a few teams more than the invincibles. Man City 17-18 and 18-19, Liverpool 19-20, Chelsea 04-05, Man United 98-99 and 07-08, and even Arsenal themselves in 01-02 are overall better than the invincibles...

[@aidentaylor6072]

If you go by points than invincibles is not top 3. The better the team the more points they get therefore they r behind multiple city and multiple Liverpool and Chelsea teams

[@saiyerugara9038]

Hell, even United 93/94, the first team to win the double definitely belong in the top 10 somewhere. Almost did the domestic treble before City as well.

[@user-gp6cc8jj6d]

Making out like the invincibles only played for the league, got to the semi's of both cups and unlucky against Chelsea in the champions league qtr final

[@Sqwirul12]

The Arsenal invincible team is worse than the City Centurions, United 98/99 and United 07/08 without a doubt. There is then an argument between the Chelsea 15 goals conceded team, the Invincibles, and the Liverpool recent team (obvs slightly tarnished cause of lockdown so I'd put them 6th out of the ones I've mentioned).

[@jasabdu-rh4jf]

Bayer leverkusen 23/24 inter Milan 04/05 06/07 Juventus 11/12 went unbeaten in all competitions 40 games plus and inter Milan and juventus also won 5 and 9 leagues in a row respectively

[@tbus]

“Name another team that’s gone unbeaten” is such a stupid argument, creating your own metric of success. Name another team to only concede 15 goals in a league season, other than Chelsea. Name another team to get 100 points, other than City. Name another team to win a treble, other than United. + It was 3-0 Watford, not Wolves

[@tomosgottitties6448]

He meant this year with Liverpool

[@tbus]

@@tomosgottitties6448 Nah I think he just got mixed up as Liverpool this season have absolutely no reason to be apart of the conversation

[@suvampatra9449]

delusional arsenal fans

[@CrossxFir3]

Invincibles lost 7 games that season

[@wristbreak]

Only arsenal fans cling onto the invinsibles. So many draws and we’re out of all the cups

[@LoganJames-xq8zx]

my top 5 are: (one for each club): 1. Chelsea 04/05 2. Man United 07/08 3. Arsenal 03/04 4. Man City 17/18 5. Liverpool 19/20

[@TheJWRB]

Arsenals invincibles drew 12 games, chelseas 04/05 team conceded 15 goals ALL SEASON. 1) man u treble team 2) chelsea 04/05 3) man city centurians 4)arsenal invincibles.

[@MH-lz7jk]

Drawing a game is the next best thing to losing. You play to win so I agree I don’t think it’s in top 3 we have seen better teams

[@roryyates7539]

1. Centurions City 2. Chelsea 04/05 15 goals conceded 3. Liverpool 97 points and won CL 4. United 07/08 + CL 5. Arsenal Invincible’s

[@finlayjr4068]

Tom might aswell have debated the boot

[@dionb7584]

Why is Tom acting like that Chelsea and City team won the CL alongside their league title

[@omniowen7346]

Theo bakers football knowledge and opinion gives me epilepsy

[@zTriqzRx]

if going unbeaten doesn't matter then why does conceding 15 goals matter? like tom said you can concede 15 goals and get relegated

[@EA-hz9mg]

Bro 15 goals is ridiculous think about how easy it is to get a jammy goal

[@matthewoliver5632]

Name one team that’s conceded 15 goals and got relegated

[@zTriqzRx]

@@EA-hz9mg exactly its easy to concede a jammy goal and lose a game but they didn't, because its a big achievement

[@zTriqzRx]

@@matthewoliver5632 name one team thats gone unbeaten and got relegated

[@FootkerSnookball]

Why are they having these debates when none of them know the details they've got to ask people to look things up??

[@Bridgevillian]

If you draw all your games , you are invincibles and still go down

[@sharkfinn7234]

you cant make arguements based on hypotheticals. thats like saying centurions arent that impressive because mathematically you could still finish outside the top 4. neither is ever gonna happen. bullshit arguement.

[@sharkfinn7234]

also same with the chelsea team, you could concede 15 goals and still go down, doesnt mean it would happen

[@Bridgevillian]

@@sharkfinn7234 must of been amazing going unbeaten in the the league, the league cup , FA Cup and champions league 😮

[@courtygaming3785]

I wish they’d invite guests on that arnt all arsenal 😂

[@eimunduglem7253]

there´s no such thing as a bench XI btw

[@brandonmichael5891]

Invincibles is literally trivia. Its like oh thats a cool thing that arsenal did. Definitely doesnt make them a top 3 pl season. Surely its just about the points tally, goals scored or conceeded. Liverpool literally got 8 points more than them a few years ago and finished second. Its madness the way arsenal fans look at it

[@jamesrodriguez967]

Theo: ‘They won the premier league and went undefeated’ Tom: ‘so’ ???😭😭😭

[@samriggs1616]

If you’re gonna bring up points tallies etc, the treble winners are nowhere near it. They won it with 79 points.

[@Liam-uo6ed]

Thing is people rave about the invincibles … the following season chelsea only lost 1 game … to Newly Promoted Man City …

[@kingryanrobomania]

Theo’s ball knowledge hurts my brain…

[@MaddGearLouis]

Hope this Rory ponce doesn’t become a regular

[@dylanmorrison3440]

Tom is spot on

[@flashdalsu9792]

Hey boys, we are unbeaten. I mean, we have 38 points from 38 draws and relegated, but we are unbeaten

[@adenmohamed7203]

My top 3 are 1)United 99, 2) united 07/08 3) Arsenal 98.

[@bh5380]

Theo’s actually so rattled

[@reecemcardle1757]

The point of football is to Amass as many points as possible. In a PL season would you rather have 100 points or 90 points?

[@dangrifdhsbxjs8424]

The point of football is to actually score more goals than your opponent. These are separate achievements in football, 100 points in a season is one of them, and going unbeaten and winning the league is also a big achievement.

[@Luke-jd7rf]

1. United 07/08 2. United 99 3. Between current city side, Chelsea 05/06, Arsenal 98 team, united 94 team

[@No-gq8hg]

United 07/08 over United 99 is insane

[@No-gq8hg]

Current city😂😂and arsenal 98😭

[@Luke-jd7rf]

@@No-gq8hg let me explain, team won it 3 times in a row the 99/08 united makes them the best of city match that this season it’s up there but yeah they wouldn’t be my 3rd pick.. basically was saying the greatest team is between the two united sides and everyone else can fight between themselves for 3rd. The 08 team in my opinion had better players than the 99 team

[@iliop29]

why wouldnt tom look at the guy on the right, kinda pissed me off

[@charliepage7300]

IMO 99 man u, 08 man u, 20 Liverpool , 18 man city, (no particular order) were all better than the Arsenal Invincibles, I would rank them 5th in all time best pl teams.

[@danielgriffith6095]

I am not a united fan but to say the treble doesn’t matter is the most stupid thing ever it was literally history

[@oceansarchived]

the only team i’d argue that are better than the Invincibles (in the prem ofc) would be United’s treble team. to argue any other team is better is outrageous. think about the teams that have been about since that, that couldn’t even come close..

[@giulzfocarelli6981]

City 17/18-18/19 would have absolutely murdered that invincibles team

[@georgeundy5521]

I physically don't get this,they have less points than all of liverpool,Chelsea,man city

[@demetrispoulakas5322]

If youre talking Top Prem teams, than has to be Chelsea, City and Arsenal. When UTD won the treble they only finished on 79 points, 1 point above Arsenal. If were talking about greatest teams, than i would say UTD deserve that.

[@ievolvehd6062]

the guy on the right gives me such horrid henry character vibes

[@LeeGumbley7]

That invincible team is such a poor brag 🤣

[@JakeyChappers]

United treble team, Chelsea’s best season under Jose and City 100 all above

[@ghostk6674]

arsenal was playing for those draws tbf lol

[@krakenbluejjcz]

By definition Arsenal aren't top 3 prem teams, they got 90 points. Chelsea, City, Liverpool all topped that multiple teams. Invincibles aren't even top 5 😂

[@niallswift2589]

Leicester winning season was better than invincibles season, controversial opinion

[@samuelclark3465]

"drew 50 games in the last 10"

[@antran0696]

How is Theo trying to defend a team that didn’t try to win, just not lose