The InZOI Problem

[@noonenowhere877]

Sims 4 community really collectively got amnesia about the fact the game didn’t have cultural items at launch.

[@feebsnails2699]

We're completely aware

[@KSan357]

people were equally frustrated with sims 4 then too

[@lowle]

I get that argument, but at the same time inzoi isn't competing (because it IS competing) against 2014 sims 4 with limited character customization options, it's competing against 2024 sims 4 that offers things like hijabs, larger body shapes, different hair textures, other religious garments and medical wearables :/

[@annakopecka598]

real

[@zou1507]

Honestly it's giving big simps vibes

[@Leash_Canada]

I'm with all of the people who wish their computer could play it. Mine couldn't run the demo. So, I will be sticking with Sims for now!

[@angelicbin131]

same 😅 but my computer can't even get to Windows 11 so I'll have to get a new one eventually and I just can't wait to see how the game is when it's oficially out! 😊

[@mysterytime5200]

@@angelicbin131 tbf even if you get a newer laptop you might not be able to run it. Make sure to get more than the recommended specs for it to run smoothly

[@angelicbin131]

@@mysterytime5200 honestly my priority is to have it be good enough for Windows 11 since Windows 10 is only until next year. good gaming pcs are so expensive and I won't buy something I can't afford just for a game. thanks for your advice btw! IF I want to get a good one I should already think ahead of what will come after that!

[@Turtlemmd]

​@@angelicbin131 sameeee

[@kaecollins]

I built my own pc but if I were to get inzoi I’d probably have to get a more expensive graphics card bc my current graphics card was struggling with the demo

[@simluv.7483]

My biggest problem with the Inzoi discourse is that everyone keeps saying we shouldn't compare it to the Sims, but then the moment someone has some cristism towards the game which is normal, so the game can improve before release people fire back by saying “but the early Sims games didn't. . .” like I thought we WEREN’T comparing the games???? Also, we should not be using 2014 Sims 4 base game as a baseline for games coming out in 2024.

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

It’s unfair to compare Sims 4 base game to current (2024) releases. But it is still fair to compare Sims 4 to the base games in the Sims series, especially 3 (maniacal laughter 😆)

[@MarielWhalley]

The comment above this (for me) is literally one of those people, hilarious

[@miachan7925]

I don't even understand what is there to compare they totally different games..

[@Shiralkian]

Some players: We shouldn't compare InZOI it to The Sims! KZbin's Algorithm: Here's 10 videos of KZbinrs talking about how inZOI is going to kill The Sims 4.

[@MarielWhalley]

@@Shiralkian and then when people criticize inzoi, these same KZbinrs calls them overly sensitive as if they didn't support these same people when it was the sims4 being criticized.

[@onidaaitsubasa4177]

People said that hair length was limited or not enough lengths, but in the demo you could actually drazg the hair and make it longer, which would give you a whole lot of variety of length, people either didn't play the demo, or didn't find the way to pull the hair longer, but choosing the length of hair would give you a lot more style variety than hair that only stays the same length.

[@kayaikinci9855]

I was also thinking that, it looks really customizable and they'll definitely add things for the actual release.

[@WriterOfMany]

I looked into the hair length thing. The ones I found it on they were already at maximum length (Bob hairstyles). Any alterations to the hair just made them shorter (ear length).

[@deannarose2424]

I was trying so hard to figure out how to click and drag the hair after seeing someone do it in a video and I couldnt for the LIFE OF ME figure it out and I was SAD. I hope they improve the UI for idiots like me, and also as some are saying the lenths are limited even with the drag, hopefully they expand that if possible because hair length customizing like that would be groundbreaking.

[@valerielee9875]

I was glad to see that option when I played the demo. I thought it pretty cool how you could drag the mouse to make the hair longer or shorter. I had thought , (Yeah beat that Sims 4. Lol. ) in my head. But generally had a good time playing with the character creator. They still are working on some things but I feel this game could be a real game changer from games like Sims 4 at leaste. N' I play sims 4 and have seen it's issues. NOT saying I dislike Sims 4. Just saying it has it's issues. Also, can NOT wait to HAVE/own this game when and Hopefully IF it makes to launch day. Also rooting for this game to make it to early access. 🤩👍✌

[@vencelistce9385]

I hear it doesn't have curly hair

[@faequeenapril6921]

Heres a hot take, people shouldnt be shill for any product. To me you cant judge a game until it has released, and I dont think its going to replace The Sims. People like a video game for many different reasons, some people like family play, some people like the supernaturals and humour and some like building or creating characters so its obvious that not every simmer is going to jump to a different IP. Also Korea has embraced AI unlike in other parts of the world, so Krafton using AI is probably just normal for the company but basically every company is using AI now and theres a rush for it now before regulations happen, but like with most things governments are going to be too slow to act. So at present anything you put online that isnt behind a paywall IS being used to train AI.

[@jacquiewiegand6323]

The art theft going on is on a whole other level.

[@beezzinha]

My main problem with the AI isn't _just_ the whole stealing other artists' work and jobs, but also because it simply looks bad. And I feel this might be an excuse for developers to make less options created by actual people, that actually looks good. "Oh we didn't add a nice wooden floor? You can just make your own why should we"

[@annemone4758]

This. It's a pretty common knowledge that AI art is rather goofy and inZOI's AI generated art/texture/media isn't any better. Framed pictures would still be fine but for example the floor that's shown in this video is funky ash that i'm sure after several tries people will stop trying to use it because of the ugley results 😂

[@onidaaitsubasa4177]

Yeah, but if we can upload our own textures we can make the floor look as nice as we want, and this is great for artists that can make a nice floor texture with a regular graphics software like Pixia, or a photographer that can take an excellent photo of a floor tile and add it to the game, these 2 methods don't use the AI at all and are done by letting you upload a texture, so there's really no need to add a nice floor on their part, and even if AI wasn't in the game the people that would use it would just go to some AI image site and spend their free credits to download an image to upload to the game, but there is also limits to what AI can generate, first you have to select the appropriate model for the task as it's data will determine the image, then you have to know exactly how to describe what you want, and honestly if you want something well done with unique results you have to practically be an artist or at least have the eye of one to make the result come out nice, a lot of time it would just be easier to use graphics software and make something exactly the way you want rather than depending on AI, but artists can also use AI to get an idea for their concept like posing or background, so it can be used as a tool, also the photo realistic aspect is something an artist would have trouble doing cause an artist would have to hire people to be subjects, have their clothing made and if the prompt included singing on stage the artist would have to arrange an actual concert or at least pay a place to rent a stage, then hair dye the subjects in your "art?" cause at this point it's photography, and if the artist is bad at taking pictures, they would also have to hire a photographer, which in the end, except for paying for the cost and maybe a little editing of the photo, the artist wound up not doing anything and could've saved a lot of money by using AI, and since they're an artist they could edit the results to look nice.

[@Shiralkian]

​@@onidaaitsubasa4177 Artists arranging concerts just to make a drawing, would be fun if it actually worked like that. But most just download a 3D asset to pose and reference, we're long past the time of people posing long hours for a painting. Artists will be fine without AI, don't worry about them.

[@wig84]

try generating ANY pattern and it struggles, and i dont think theres any use for the AI other than patterns ://

[@loveshot98]

I tried to make a skirt and use a jeans texture generated by their AI and after 3 tries I just gave up. It's just... not worth to have, on top of the obvious reasons why we shouldn't support AI

[@evrenisprettyuniversal]

"in the public domain" includes most content on the internet. Most images uploaded to public domain over the years are created by people that have expressed they do not want their works to be used for data training. generative AI is also EXTREMELY power inefficient and consumes crazy resources (water and electricitiy specifically). Many artists who have deceased have their artworks fed to generative ai despite never wanting their works to be fed to algorhythms that were already present. the message says they won't have any LEGAL copyright issues. Doesn't mean there won't be moral issues. There is no ethical way to gain enough data for generative ai. it needs a LOT. hence why most models are trained on the ENTIRE internet, then filtered by underpaid workers from third world countries (who have describes such assignments to be traumatizing and coming to the point of needing counseling.)

[@papkinn]

People always ignore the absurd amount of energy AI needs to work, even if Inzoi's AI is somehow 100% moral and copyright free i still don't want 2 liters of water being wasted to generate ugly texture in game just because i'm privileged enough to not experience water shortage. There's a lot of stuff i can't change but not using generative AI is the bare minimum i can actually do.

[@yuvenamurakumo356]

It’s not even public domain. It’s public available which is something entirely different, but genAI companies keep ignoring it

[@littlecake453]

A lot of people who love a.i pictures forget that legally and morally correct is absolutely NOT the same.

[@VojtěchJavora]

​@@littlecake453and you have to consider that what you think is moral/immortal isn't what everyone thinks. You can't convince someone who doesn't care on the base of this argument.

[@Felice_Enellen]

If you literally put something in the public domain (not just upload it where the public can see it), then you have no business complaining what it's used for. The whole point of public domain is that you retain no say in how your work is used by anyone else. Use some other license like the creative commons ones if you don't like that.

[@glumbun]

The concerns abt diversity are laughable to me bc, as someone who plays mainly with black sims, ts4 took the LONGEST (6 years!!! before the skintone update/black hair fixes) to fix their cant-make-good-black-sims-without-cc problem and black simmers complained about it for years and no one listened until popular nonblack simmers finally started speaking up about it all those years later. If yall were able to give ts4 grace without a fuss for that long i’ll wait for inzoi to fix it. they’re already leagues better with a color wheel for skin, so you’re not limited to a couple of ugly ashy skintones.

[@feebsnails2699]

I think it's more than it's now 2024 and games should be more clued up on what to provide the wider community. Remember the Sims only made those changes AFTER the BLM movement because they had to. EA is as scummy as they come. People are allowed to critisize InZoi too.

[@angelicbin131]

this! I still give most of my black sims cc hair because it's often better than what EA gives us. inzoi still has so much they can change, a demo is nothing but people nowadays want to find problems in everything. I will probably still play the sims 4 too even when I have a better pc to run inzoi but I will play that too because why not 🤷🏽‍♀️ we should all just let each other enjoy whatever they want. I don't get the hate either side gets and I honestly couldn't care less either 😊😂

[@glumbun]

Yeah i don’t really get all the ppl who want one game to “kill” the other. the most exciting part about a new life sim is competition thatll force ea to finally improve. if inzoi’s gameplay is way better i might ditch ts4 but i hope i can one day turn to a better version of it when sims 5 releases.

[@wrightcember]

that and most default skin tones in inzoi are ones ive actually seen on people

[@bunnyconcubus8468]

That is really backwards thinking because things were different back then and representation in gaming wasn't a thing that most devs especially care about. That can't happen now you can't release a life sim without diverse people in it because people would be rightfully up in arms about being left out of a life sim.

[@TiaKatt]

So that one commenter has 32GB of system RAM but based on the message they got, less than 8GB of VRAM on their video card. Mostly they're just going to miss out on the generative AI, which they (understandably) don't seem interested in anyway.

[@AnimationPB]

To be fair, 8GB of VRAM is on a 3070, which is the recommended card. Also, the unwarranted hate on Ai is stupid because some of it is actually good. FOr example, frame generation. The AI that is bad is the one that replaces artwork and writing.

[@raspberryquake935]

​@@AnimationPBthat's genererative ai it's not the same

[@Pan-oy2ck]

I have enough ram apparently but not the right type of card, so it's not really just the amount either

[@pl-AEtheRR]

​@@AnimationPBFrame interpolation is wonky, looks bad (worse than , ignores timing and thoughtful variance in the framerates of animated projects, AND it replaces artists only to get very underwhelming results.

[@vantamasque9596]

hi that's me! :) yea my card has like 6GB VRAM; i've got a card that's on the lower end of things at this point, so i'm not surprised it was a VRAM issue, but it still struck me as a sign of "this is for next-gen / higher-end hardware ONLY", like how the game started with RTX turned on despite my non-RTX card i don't really hate generative AI, i think it's value neutral as a tool and could be done ethically if the data it trains off of was volunteered, but the "ask for forgiveness not permission" mindset of the tech startups pushing it forward has really sullied its chances of being seen in a positive light by the creative world + the way companies will adopt tech like this to cut human costs certainly doesn't help either, however that's a capitalism problem in general

[@SageArdor]

Thank you Sarah for this nuanced, very elaborate discussion about the various issues, while also reminding people to *not harass content creators for their specs and choices*

[@wck]

There was literally zero nuance on the AI issue, lol. She just repeated popular talking points without mentioning any of the counter narrative.

[@AbhijaiSingha]

TBH the CAZ was just fine, fun to play around in but kinda lacking. But until the ACTUAL game launches we can't really say anything for sure....and even then let's remember how many problems we had/have with the Sims, a game that has been running and improving for years now. However, as someone who has a decent gaming laptop, 20GB just for CAZ seems insane...will I be able to run the game? maybe? will I be pissed about it regardless cause 20GB wtf? YES!

[@patsypookie1319]

20GB of LIMITED CAZ without some possible feature. That makes it even worse

[@onecoolcat45]

If the CAZ is 20GB, just imagine how the full game is going to be 🥴

[@C0nnor-Aliv3]

As someone who plays a game in a similar situation to the Sims right now, that being a game that has dominated an entire genre so much so that they didn't have to try, I'm excited. I know I wouldn't like InZOi, but it'll finally add competition because EA knows they can't just give us a t-shirt (or hot tub) and expect us to be happy.

[@C0nnor-Aliv3]

the game was genshin btw, if genshin could hopefully the sims can too

[@slow_unsteady]

​@@C0nnor-Aliv3 I see you experienced all the "Genshin could never" drama too haha

[@jennynoelle6782]

I played the CAZ demo, got concerned, and got sucked into the Krafton AI rabbit hole. Allow me to share my findings. First of all, Krafton is an "AI company" that makes games on the side. The biggest IP, that they had a hand in creating, is currently PUBG. They also bought the studio that made Subnautica, which is why they're associated with it. Apart from those, their claim to fame is various AI stuff, and they aren't shy about it. They are especially quite proud of ANA, their completely AI, hyper-realistic singer, model, and streamer. Part of the Inzoi terms that you sign away includes your use of the facial expression tracking feature in the photo studio, which is probably being used to help further improve her. It is also likely that Krafton used a similar AI to voice the zois in Inzoi. They have expressed interest in using AI to replace... a lot of stuff, including developers. They commonly recruit college students for their "AI Fellowship Program", which is intended to "hone their AI skills". They insist that AI is the future, and that they are "freeing people to have more entertainment" or something. Despite this, they still sound like dystopian loving, AI obsessed cult members in all their interviews and advertising.

[@nicky_nix4204]

Do you have an article talking about this? Cause I feel like a lot of people who like the game don’t know about this at all and this is my first hearing about it. As a long time gamer and game designer this is so concerning

[@jennynoelle6782]

@@nicky_nix4204 I tried to include hyperlinks, but KZbin didn't like that. But you should easily be able to find them yourself. Basically, it was more general research into Krafton, rather than a single article. I started with KZbin videos. Of them, I recommend Jenniferolls' video, "The Dark Side of InZOI". She did her own research for the video, which includes more InZoi related stuff. Then I looked at Krafton's official stuff, including Ana's KZbin, Krafton's self-published articles, and Krafton's AI-specific site. Their AI site includes a professional styled video, "Our Goals", where they list using AI to greatly expedite the process of making triple-A games as one of their goals. Then I looked to the less biased sources of information on Krypton. This included looking into the impact of virtual influencers, such as Ana; online discussions from software engineers about AI replacing them; Krafton's legal issues (mostly copywrite issues and wrongful termination); Krafton's NFT metaverse thing (it's called "Overdare"); Kafton's use of microtransactions (PUBG players hate them); informal interviews that Krafton staff gave on gaming, AI, and investments; and even what former employees are saying about them on Glassdoor (3.4 out of 5).

[@babyspinch]

So question about the facial expression tracking feature in the photo studio, WHAT? You accept the terms of the game and their ai program l can access those things? Very intrigued thanks for the informative comment.

[@jennynoelle6782]

@@babyspinch Pretty much. You accept the terms, including letting Krafton use the data gathered when you use the tracking feature. The only reason they would specifically want that is if they can use it. They're probably scrapping the data to further train AI, like Ana, which uses AI for her facial expressions.

[@lilbread1717]

If only people went on their website, where they are really open about how they are an AI company, instead of asking people on twitter their opinions

[@SkittileSkelanimal47]

2:03 my thoughts exactly. personally, I'm waiting for the official release of the game to really form an opinion. the game is still in development and i think comparing it to the sims 4, the good things outweigh the bad so far. being overly critical and nitpicky of an unfinished game doesn't make sense to me also, with Krafton being a south korean company, I'm not surprised about the lack of diversity and i doubt they'll add as much as people are asking for

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Thanks for showing all sides. I disagree with the “can’t compare it to Sims 4” thing. Its literally the ONLY thing we have to compare it to. But I think there’s reasonable ways to compare it and unreasonable ones. As a rotational player I do think I won’t love it as much as the Sims. Edit: Also the need powerful computer argument is silly. Like for LBY when I saw the specs I was more like ‘are you kidding’ but for InZoi to look like InZoi while optimization IS important, it doesn’t need to be spec’d down to run on grandma’s old laptop. When InZoi made the announcement they would work to come to console and PS4 fans were upset it was gonna be for PS5 and NOT PS4 when and if that happens they were upset. But there are ways games can’t move forward when they are stuck on last gen consoles.

[@wck]

Showing all sides? She was very stubbornly one sided on the AI stuff.

[@lordcasinator]

For me it just doesn't seem as silly as sims 4 and I like the random silly stuff in the game. Also much more into the cartoon graphics than the realistic ones. Edit: I also really love occults. Doesn't seem they'll have any (not sure) but that's also a meh thing. Too realistic isn't very fun I want a silly little guy to play fun dollies with, not watching him work and slave away unless I hate him.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

I mean Sims 4 and Sims 1 didn’t even have Grim at launch. He’s a staple NOW but even for Sims its kinda been a funny addon or something to develop as a pack later. You have to get the humans right first as occults are an alteration of your base human characters. There is actually A LOT in InZoi that needs work based on the early playtest and some tweaking. Occults is always something they could add down the line. Technically there aren’t any playable occults in sims 4 basegame unless you count ghost (which Sims 4 did not launch with).

[@bancetheyorkshireterrier2003]

You can change from realistic to cartoon if you in the game inzoi

[@blakefantasy2600]

Yeah but inzoi is not the sims. I personally don’t see this as a con. It’s a realistic looking life sim. Of course it’s going to have more realistic elements. I mean, i’m sure there’s going to be some silly stuff in this game. But If you’re looking for cartoony, stick with the sims.

[@lordcasinator]

​@@bancetheyorkshireterrier2003I'm aware you can but it doesn't look good to me.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@@bancetheyorkshireterrier2003The cartoon filter doesn’t even look like a cartoon it also doesn’t change the actual art style to cartoony. Its just a filter over the game…which has a realism aesthetic.

[@bell_nicole]

I see people praise the character creator but i honestly did not enjoy it that mich. I really think it's missing presets for individual features, bc cirrently you have to pick the correct face preset in the beginning, otherwise there is no changing the nose shape. Like it looks good, but it feels surprisingly restrictive at times.

[@bell_nicole]

Mostly, i think the hate both on sims 4 and on inzoi when people compare the games is far too intense. I dont think inzoi is the game for me, but thats okay, and im glad if others will enjoy it

[@Aina0000]

right? there's barely anything you can change, I couldn't make any of my characters look like what I had in mind.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

I agree, I wasn’t all that blown away. It also is basically the UE5 character creator “Metahuman” I bet, with some adaptations to it for their game. This is not a bad thing…its how they produced the game so fast and came out of nowhere, but photo realisim in UE5 is not impressive on its own tbh.

[@NotLikeUs17]

Character creator is limited, BUT, the preset or base that you choose will really influence how your zoi turns out. Some of this is true with the sims 4 too, but the presets are more flexible in the sims 4, and their push and pull mechanic is very intuitive to use and very seamless unlike in InZoi. If you know what you’re doing tho, the results can be beautiful. It’s just not intuitive to use due to being poorly implemented, imo.

[@loveshot98]

@@Aina0000 That's odd, I was definitely able to customize every single thing, the nose shape, jaw, lips, eyes, etc. There is a button on the bottom part called "Face" I think, which allows you to go into detail mode, which will make several dots appear on your Zoi's face.

[@HamtaroWarriors]

A good majority of these are valid criticisms. However, AI use is not a ‘public domain, ask permission of the artist’ thing it’s a ‘the art we used to create our AI generator tool was already stolen and fed through our program. We’re just telling you guys we got permission bc if we released the names of the artists and it came out they didn’t get compensation or say I consent to you using my art in your ai generator, we could get in massive trouble bc we don’t have the money to compensate hard working artists’. Artists deserve monetary compensation.

[@veestreams]

The AI was definitely not trained off of only public domain images either. People got it to replicate Disney characters relatively quickly, which shouldn’t be possible if it wasn’t trained off of the copyrighted Disney characters.

[@alliwhite3941]

SatchonSims imported the Burberry plaid in caz and was very concerned about this issue, too. You can't tell me a literal patented designer print is public domain and okay to use and multiply...

[@Moridorable]

Saying it was "stolen and fed through" is like saying I "stole" a bunch of Dali paintings by creating derivative works in his style. It's nonsensical.

[@veestreams]

@@Moridorable AI can’t replicate just a style because AI cannot understand the concept of style. AI can’t understand anything. It reads what it’s been fed and it guesses. This is why AI training off of AI is disastrous to the result of AI produced things. It has no discretion, so it will take any mistakes other AIs made and replicate ad infinitum. It can’t create anything on its own, only copy what it’s already seen. That’s why it produces things with watermarks and fake signatures, because that’s what it’s seen.

[@Moridorable]

@@veestreams But it's still /derivative/ works _inspired by_ the sample material. At their core, everything AI produces is still new and original.

[@NiloraSims]

the part "it seems to focus way too much on graphics than actual gameplay" it's what make me concern a lot about this game, really. It seems just the sims 4: better graphics, but painfully shallow. I'll just play my the sims 2.

[@AstronomicalJelly]

yeah, that's what i feel like too. i watched a youtuber play it in early access and there was so many features it didn't have that you'd expect a lifesim to have, for example if a zoi dies then no one who loved them will notice or even care lol

[@NiloraSims]

@@AstronomicalJelly this is so frustrating, really ☠️☠️ I think it will takes a long time till we get something original, funny and deep in a life simulator again 🥲 (idk if a wrote this comment right because english its not my first language 🤪)

[@yeetus514]

Go watch a play through. This game has so many gameplay features it's insane.

[@jikookie1015]

It felt soulless when I played it.

[@ismichi]

@@jikookie1015 what's your influencer acct? 🤥

[@cactusbuds2979]

You can tell lots of people haven't watched gameplay of it. I've seen so many people get pissy about the style, but don't even talk about how you can MAKE THE GAME LOOK MORE CARTOONY. IT IS A FEATURE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED 😭

[@Pcbdude82]

I personally love the art style. If it were anything different, I'd probably not buy it. This is a simulation game. Its not cyberpunk or some over the top game. It's goal is to simulate life.

[@psycho-delicpyromaniac9595]

seriously, they do zero research on a early access game they want to boycott for zero reason other than "I think sims is better cause I play it more"

[@SkiesTurnedGrey]

Most of the complaints about it being "too realistic" that I've seen don't necessarily have to do with the graphics, specifically, but more as a whole product. The gameplay itself is also very focused on simulating real life. Driving to work in traffic that takes 2 hours to get there. Working in a restaurant and cleaning the floors and tables, picking up trash, and standing at a counter to take orders from customers. It's the realism of including a bunch of mundane tasks, that don't have any silliness or creativity involved, and having them take so long to complete, it seems more like... "I will suspend my real life of monotony and boredom, where I work a repetitive job and have boring, repetitive responsibilities, to play a 'game' where those same boring jobs, tasks and responsibilities are reproduced in a way so similar to real life that I may as well just be living real life."

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

That cartoon filter litterally looks like trash and more importantly doesn’t look like a cartoon. It looks like a hilariously bad filter over realistic graphics.

[@MMMercia]

@@TheDawnofVanlife Cartoon filter? Could you elaborate?

[@Oddy-c9z]

Some people say InZoi is a bad game because it requires a high-spec computer. But that's really funny. It's like criticizing other high-spec games are bad because they don't fit their computer. InZoi is a game developed from the beginning with the goal of hyper-realistic play, and of course it requires a high-spec computer. Also developers don't hide or lie that high specifications are required. Recommended specs have already been released on Steam. Let's talk about The Sims 4. They still sell the expansion pack series for over $1,100. They even sell systems that should have been included in the main game under the name of "expansion packs". Considering that the price of RTX 3070 8gb graphic card to run InZoi with the recommended spec is around $400~600, they are selling a series of expansion packs for more than the price of purchasing all the computer components to play InZoi. I would like to tell those who say that requiring a high-spec computer to play a high-spec game is a bad thing. Please, before criticizing certain games that require expensive computers as being bad, please look back on the fact that you already paid $1,100 for just "one game".

[@ZundelArt]

Tbh perfectly honest the thing that annoys me the most abou the whole subject is that you can't really criticse inzoi without people assuming you are defending the Sims and vice versa. Like, I can be a hater of both guys, it's called multitasking. But yeah, the artstyle direction with inzoi is just not my cup of tea, but as you said- I think competition can be a very good thing for life sim games so in the end- I do not care, I probably won't play it anyway and just wait for Paralives.

[@wizardsarecool4540]

Tbh it just sounds like a whole lot of people clinging to the sims only because of nostalgia, i think we should just be happy that the Sims finally has competition. Also, as a relatively new sims player, the lifeless yet alive aspect holds true to the sims as well, not just inzoi, especially base game sims.

[@miachan7925]

Its not even a competition as the two game are completely different ,,,

[@sani-RZ]

@@miachan7925 there both life sims games well known ones there will be competition due to simmers hyping up inZoi

[@illtardisyourdoctor]

I'm happy Sims has competition but inzoi still isnt where its at

[@rachelcookie321]

I’ve been playing the sims 4 basically since release and have thousands of hours in the game but I got no loyalty to it. Based off playing the character creator demo and seeing gameplay videos from KZbinrs, I think inzoi has a lot of potential. It’s not perfect yet but the devs have showed that they are definitely looking for feedback from community and will implement those ideas so I’m optimistic it will have a lot of changes before release. The sims 4 was fun but I’ve gotten tired of all its bugginess and their refusal to fix things that players have complained about for years so I’m ready to jump ship at any moment. I might continue to play the sims a bit for nostalgia but I’m not gonna tie myself to the franchise for eternity.

[@miachan7925]

@@sani-RZ the only one thing that's similar is indeed the fact they both life simulator game's...and nothing else...

[@JZL-hp5iz]

I just think it's really interesting the way that people are kind of trying to judge this game for certain things when it's like it took years for EA to even give us half of the shit in the Sims not to mention the amount of money you have to pay in order to even really play the game. And this is coming from someone who actively plays in likes the Sims 4 but the bitch has failed so many times has gotten to the point where it's corrupted files that I've had for years and at this point I can't even play it without having a shit ton of custom content and I've spent thousands of dollars to buy the DLCs and game packs so that it's an actual cohesive game. the fact that this game is early access is not even fully finished yet and it has so many things that we had to wait 6 to 7 years for The Sims 4 to even give us in the first place. I can understand if you're a little upset with the whole AI feature I feel like some people are going to be upset with it some people are going to not really care about it it really just depends if you're someone with AI doesn't affect you then you don't really give a damn if you're someone who's a creative artists or someone then yes it's going to bother you even though the Sims 4/EA also uses ai. And I can understand people being upset about having to upgrade their computers because I feel like most Sims 4 players not all of us but a lot of people don't have gaming laptops and computers to begin with. I'm not one of those people I like the Sims 4 but I also like other video games so I have a computer that would be able to handle this because I have a computer that's able to handle other high quality games. I feel like this is more of a game for the CC alpha girlies and boys in the first place. Because of someone who uses primarily and only alpha CC I have a strong gaming computer because if I didn't I wouldn't even be able to play The Sims 4 in the way that I would want to so I get that I understand that. This game clearly isn't for those people and that's fine. I will give it to EA for catering to people that have not as powerful computers but it's also one of the reasons why the Sims 4 is consistently crashing buggy and doesn't work properly. on the other end I think it's great that there is a competitor for The Sims 4 that also kind of gears towards people who are into more realistic looking games and who play other video games in the first place which is most likely why they be interested in this one. Gaming is inexpensive hobby regardless of what version of gaming you do whether you're playing games on a consult a handheld or on a computer it's going to get expensive if it's a hobby that you're really into whether it's spending thousands of dollars on the Sims 4 or spending thousands of dollars for good computers. If you don't like the game you don't have to but the complaints are just wild. Not to mention people forget that EA and the Sims 4 is based in America and it took them 6 years before they can have anything that included non-white people in it that didn't look weird as hell in terms of skin tones for the pocs from black people to if you're trying to make an Asian character whether it was East Asian Southeast Asian or Indian it took them years before they even gave us fucking DLC for other cultures outside of like all of the European White cultures. so I think it's wild that people are complaining about a Korean game from East Asia who do have issues in terms of colorism and shit actually coming out with a game that's not even finished yet and they still have more ethnic hair textures styles and better skin tones than the Sims could have given us from the very beginning and they're based in one of the most diverse motherfuking countries you can clearly live in

[@kafkap.5364]

this is THE reply. I hope more people see it cause you said everything there was to say about it. I don't like how one of the major complains is that the game is "too realistic". It's too realistic? then it's clearly not meant for you, if you like the cartoonish syle then you should look out for those kind of games (coming from someone who plays all kind of games and that has many many hours in the sims 4 and that experienced both alpha cc only and maxis match/mix only) Also with the diversity thing and body weight thing, at least body weight influences the faces of the Zois as well unlike in the sims 4 (not trying to compare really, but both games don't get things 100% accurately if we want to nitpick) To enjoy the sims 4 you HAVE to buy other packs (I have MOST, only missing a few), I'm honestly so impressed with the fact that inZOI has so many features that in TS4 are "locked" behind packs. People seem to forget these things and only see what they want/what others tell them to see (I hope I didn't sound too mean, I guess I'm just very blunt) edit; I love the sims 4 btw, I want to give InZOI a try when it comes out since overall I'm very pleased with it but I'll still play TS4, they're both life simulators but they're two different games

[@craftypixel7992]

It took the sims 4 years likely because the sims 4 was a game made in 2014, in which games were a lot less progressive about diversity than they are now. Clearly, InZOI is promoting to an overseas market, so criticism about diversity etc is still viable, especially as this game is a 2024 game, and they are going to use said criticism to make the game more inclusive. Furthermore, the game is still in beta, but everything about it seems unoptimized to me. It seems as if the game focuses more on graphics rather than actual gameplay/ use. Already, the demo is inaccessible to a lot of people, even ones who have upgraded their computers for games like The Sims.

[@afra-k2685]

How do I retweeet this comment. Because Yes. All of THIS.!!!!!

[@thatonerandomnpc]

This was actually really useful and informative. I hadn’t given inzoi much thought before seeing this-apparently I have not been in the sphere of knowing it. I’ve only seen a few short videos and yours playing with the demo, and that was it, and I hadn’t thought about it much otherwise other than that the graphics looked neat but would kill my computer. Really helpful overview

[@Akshayaaaaaa]

I find the whole "inzoi looks lifeless, it dosent have charm like the sims 4" argument to be pretty silly. Sims is a game that has run for an entire decade and has fostered a gigantic community. inzoi was just announced a few months ago. The style and the mechanics of the sims obviously are going to feel more familiar, more nostalgic. And lets be real the sims 4 is VERY lifeless as compared to sims 3 and 2. Also i think some people forget that while both games are in the lifesim genre, theyre pretty different. Inzoi has made it clear when asked about paranormal stuff that their vision for their game lies more in realism, while the sims leans to the more chaotic and goofy side. Both games will appeal to very different types of players. I for one dont really care for the vampires and werewolves in the sims, but i know others absolutely LOVE it. Having both games gives us options

[@wck]

The "dosent have charm like the sims 4" is a subtle racist dogwhistle against Korean people.

[@FairyAtheistPrincess]

I found sims 3 lifeless, definitely dont find sims 4 lifeless at all actually. So definitely remember your opinion is just yours. If everyone hated Sims 4 they wouldnt continue releasing new EP's . EP's cost a lot to make. Sims 4 is still around for a reason.

[@Akshayaaaaaa]

@FairyAtheistPrincess That's pretty interesting! the general consensus is that sims 3 and 2 were made with more love and passion, which was seen in how much more deep and detailed interactions were, and how expansion packs almost seemed to bring an entire new game to the scene, especially compared to sims 4 packs, which pretty much everyone agrees is just a way to sell broken stuff for $50. Although I won't deny that KRAFTON is any different from the money-grubbing EA, the way the developers talk about the game makes alot of us reassured that they do have quite a bit of passion for it, and that we'll have an excellent new edition to the life sim genre

[@Slavnaya]

let's just agree that the life simulator community is the most whiny of all genres) I don't take into account errors and bugs)

[@FairyAtheistPrincess]

lol!!!!! Yeah. It gets intense.

[@kayaikinci9855]

People are way too serious about the games like I don't get it. It's only a game and not even released yet.

[@steggopotamus]

When my health was at its worst I would get the angriest when something in my game didn't work out. So, I think it's a fearure of people feeling like they're living in a distopian hellscape. There's a lot of people doomscolling through issues about the environment, politics, their own declining health etc etc and they want to get away from it all so desperately, that we're left with this. I also took major steps to stop me from doom scrolling that helped too. Though, I still feel as if the hellscape is politely looming from time to time.

[@xilj4002]

I mean, they're building the graphics from a collage of stolen art. When they say "no legal issues" it often means creating loopholes by putting a not for profit / education or research related step into the data collection chain, but they use the portfolios of artists, fanworks, mods under CC that couldn't be reused for profit etc That's not just a "don't like don't get" thing, it should be the norm to call out

[@thiscat567]

​@@xilj4002 pretty sure people are still eating on whether they really stole art, some said that their ai only works with the pics people send it.

[@xilj4002]

@@thiscat567 Do you mean the AI uses submitted images as a base? Because they sure as hell aren't using a generative AI trained on user submissions they check the copyright of. But they did make a statement about what specific company's AI is used, they have an ethics board but they aren't ethical. They pinky promised they aren't and have never been training their AI on material they illegally acquired, but I don't see real specifics on their site so there's a high chance they either bough data through a third party who used a legal loophole OR scraped things like fanart and images posted on social media and made underpaid employees in poor countries filter out gore and hate speech and such - but maybe not, maybe it's a nice company who ethically crowdsourced their training data and they're only problematic because they support artist and developer exploitation

[@MarkusHansson]

Their system requirements are not that high compared to other computer games out there... if we don't raise the system requirements for life simulator games then we are gonna be stuck with rabbit holes and notifications. Your computer is actually pretty good, it's just the CPU that was preventing your GPU from running it. That's why it was so warm as well. If you upgrade it you will have a good gaming computer.

[@KitKvtx]

I don't think people realize that this game has not even been publicly released and is not even in early access, you can't judge a game based off CAZ because that's not the full game, on top of that I am sure there will be inclusivity implemented, let's not forget that this game will fully support mods so even if something doesn't end up in the game I am sure a mod will be made of it, like this community needs to calm down. The developers of INZOI ARE LISTENING, they're taking feedback from the community and the influencers who have early access. Please realize that this game is coming from Korea, Korea is a very conservative country, far from America, so your feedback helps them with stuff that they don't normally accept or look at over there. Also, with people not being able to run the game it's not their problem that you don't have a good PC or gaming laptop. A Mac or anything like that is not made for gaming. If you want to run games like this then YOU need to upgrade, they don't need to downgrade just so it fits for you, period. If that's the case, stick to sims.

[@ahleenah]

My MacBook Pro can’t even run sims 4 without screaming at me, and when I tried it was only 2 years old

[@ismichi]

Folk really dislike remembering that a game not even in EA is gonna be incredibly limited and likely not showcasing all that it's capable of. Heck, stuff in their first playtest wasn't available for the second despite that making no sense; it's not even guaranteed removed, it's simply not "=true" (active). It means they're focusing on particular coding/mechanics so the base codes function going forward... y'know, like any large scale game? lol Tho tbf I don't think they're trying *that* hard. There's evident attempts to interact, garner feedback, and make true on promises. But they don't seem ignorant they need limitations at this stage so they can feasibly reach EA stage without fail by New Year's. If their core coding fails them by EA, that's worse than if it doesn't look nice or appear polished.

[@shruu1056]

I think part of the issue is the sims is all we've ever known and now with new competition from inzoi and paralives, the bar/standard for these kinds of games is being reavaluated. Now we actually have options, and that should be celebrated.

[@ItsSkyLOL]

Inzoi answered to AI question very soon after the question was raised. It generates stuff from artist supply images that volunteered with their art. No ethics crossed there. You are a bit late with this topic. Also their AI very basic and lame considering the lack of material they have rn.

[@gaymiens]

KRAFTON, the company behind Inzoi, is currently *very* focused on integrating generative AI into all stages of the video game design process (including generative art, models, voice acting, chatbots, etc.) They say as much on their own webpage (and have a whole separate one dedicated to AI). They also appear to be training their in-house AI on player's facial expressions with the facial tracking features, ostensibly to support their "AI influencer/streamer" project. While they claim to be ethical, the fact that people have been able to generate copyrighted materials with their AI suggests they might be lying about it.

[@gleren37]

Imagine writing the words "as deep as the Sims" with no apparent hint of sarcasm...

[@vividvault9285]

No shit. I have not been able to play the sims for more than 20 mins or so at a time in recent months. I played a bit today and I can't shake the feeling of how disconnected I am with the world. Sure, I feel connected to my sims because I made them, but then I go out to the towns and locations and it just feels so empty despite how many sims are present. The problem I've always eventually run into for the sims is that there is no adversity to overcome. There is no challenge that exist except for one's you create and hold yourself accountable to outside of the game mechanics. There is truly no reason to do anything anymore in the sims if you have already played through the available content, because there are no game mechanics encouraging you to do so. Without any adversity or challenge, there is nothing to overcome. When there is nothing to overcome, there is no relationship built between you and the characters because you can have what you want in an instant through the existing game mechanics because the game mechanics cater towards that level of control. This is what makes the world feel empty. How could one possibly be attached to anyone when all of them are inconsequential to you? I am most excited for Inzoi over their difficulty adjustment, where once can add as much or as little adversity to their playthrough as they'd like.

[@gleren37]

@@vividvault9285 Indeed, for me the game works in terms of emergent gameplay, roleplay and setting my own goals, but the absence of any challenge represent a huge wasted pontential and is the reason why I've never kept playing for too long. If you want to build stuff, it's great, but in terms of actual gameplay the offering is piss-poor.

[@FairyAtheistPrincess]

It doesnt need sarcasm. Because lately the sims has been adding depth to the entire base game and relationships and how sims interact, if you didnt know, thats one thing, but dont attempt to cut down the game in support of this one.

[@ashleykeller42]

I'm not understanding what people mean with lack of representation every video I have seen on KZbin could make themselves and I find the skin tones better than sims 4 also what do they mean lack of gameplay didn't realize a character creation demo needed gameplay or are they talking about the videos of the few content creators that played a few hours but they have more at early release then sims 4 did at base game launch some items sims 4 still haven't released like cars and carnival rides you can ride without a rabbit whole.

[@aespa2447]

judging a game that isnt even fully out yet is definitely giving sims simps.

[@illtardisyourdoctor]

they gave early access so that you CAN judge it. thats the POINT of early access

[@indmur]

if you don't like it don't buy it it's not that fucking deep.

[@cantspellbritt4129]

I see someone modding a wicked whim mod for this game, and making realistic characters who look like celebrities and causing a huge issue.

[@SylversVolpe]

Just for context, because I think you got this part mixed up. You used an example of an article commenting on the energy cost of LLMs like Chat GPT and so on. But, AI art is not generated with LLMs. They are generated with GANs. And they are significantly less powerful and use way, way, way fewer parameters than chat LLMs. So the energy cost for generating a bunch of textures is not really that significant, comparatively speaking. 11:22

[@ryany505]

I don't think either game will replace each other. It's really funny how many people criticize InZoi for being a high spec game, especially compared to The Sims. The two games are different in many ways and have different intended play styles. If you want ultra-realistic gameplay and detailed graphics, you can play InZoi. If you want casual play, more features, have a computer with standard specifications, you can play Sims. There is absolutely no need for two games to replace each other, force each other's strengths, or debate which game is the winner or the better. Because the two games go in different playstyles.

[@2muchpathylover]

I’m convinced EA hired people to leave hate tweets about inzoi 😭😭

[@aubreymorgan9763]

With the amount of hit pieces and anger tweets with any new game (especially smaller studios) you are likely correct

[@magnus87]

I wouldn't be surprised if EA was also behind the cancellation of Life by You.

[@pauld2810]

It's wild to think that, about a year ago, I was playing The Sims 4 on the highest graphics settings, with no performance issues, on a 5-year-old computer running Windows 7.

[@kafkap.5364]

yeah but keep in mind that the sims 4 came out 10 years ago, I was 11 so I can't be 100% sure but I don't think that back in the days we had the same computers we have now, so it makes sense that you'd be able to run in on an older computer as that was the "standard" or somthing. I also heard somewhere (don't remember where, sorry) that most people couldn't even play TS4 at launch

[@jasminedavis3030]

As a longtime simmer, I will not cast any judgements, not only because what we've seen so far is from the demo, and more so since the Sims 4 didn't have a number of features upon initial release. It's actually a really beautiful game and I do actually love the more realistic look of the ZOIs, I also love that you can customize furniture. My only gripe are the graphical and memory requirements, that might be a pitfall for them.

[@meikahidenori]

I'm happy it exists. It means people who want ultra realistic stuff that's more like second life can have it and be happy. The issue with sims atm is that it caters to too many different play styles but can't fully delve into them without alienating different areas of the fan base by doing so and thus not doing anything for anyone. Having this allows sims to change it up, tocus on what they do best that these other life sims don't or won't focus on and they'd be able to cater to teo different play styles. I'm an occult player and so far none of these other life sims seem interested in those weirder non realistic parts of the sims, and frankly if sims can capitalise on that and let the other games stick with their direction of realistic stuff they will still look and feel different enough to make different player bases happy.

[@z-beeblebrox]

9:50 this TOS gets even more complicated and weedy when you factor in that courts have already stated that - at least currently - AI generated work cannot have a copywrite and is not "owned". So on the one hand, that seems to invalidate their TOS. On the other hand, it also implies that users cannot own it either, so really nobody wins.

[@thomasflanagan8754]

"Curseforge funds the IDF" Well shit i guess im unintalling that crap.

[@angelicbin131]

same! I wasn't aware of that either and now I feel bad for downloading something on it yesterday 🫠

[@TheSmokeWatcher]

Wow

[@leepaulse893]

Curseforge what?

[@Potatosalad5-sg9yr]

Are you talking about inzoi or sims

[@idkbalvan6303]

@@leepaulse893 back in October, Overwolf, the company behind Curseforge, ran a fundraising campaign to raise money for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). They're apparently still doing fundraisers, but now it's for the more vague 'Israeli people affected by Hamas' or something along those lines.

[@desiree2086]

What I don’t get, I had zero issues with the demo, zero lag (which I do have with sims 4) I have a nvidia rtx 3070 8gb card & 32 gb ram.. but I have an amd cpu (ryzen 7 5800h). Sims 4 uses way, way more of my ram and more cpu. Settings on best quality in both games.. I don’t really understand why I had no issues and you had such lag.

[@mysterytime5200]

Idk abt that, I have an 8gb ram laptop that runs the sims 4 well with lots of mods and packs

[@NotLikeUs17]

It probably boils down to whatever else you have installed on your PC, what’s running in the background, is it properly updated and I’m sure more things. I was reading through steam comments and some people hadn’t even updated their graphic cards in years. I can only imagine w/e else they weren’t updating.

[@soylapantera]

I fully intend to enjoy the hell out of Inzoi! It's exactly what I've been wanting in a life sim game, REALISM! CAZ needs some improvements for sure, more options and inclusiveness. I am ok with Krafton using AI as long as it's as they stated and not stolen property. As far as the disclaimer for user uploaded images being Krafton property, that's NOT new, Facebook and other platforms have been doing that for YEARS. It's a reason why people should read before agreeing and then make choices accordingly. More than one game can exist in a genre. Inzoi will not eliminate the Sims, but hopefully will give some good healthy, much needed competition. I am also a simmer, since Sims 3 came out. I love the Sims but I can also love another life sim game without feeling like I'm cheating on the Sims LOL

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

I was a Simmer until Sims 4, and I’m kind of interested in Inzoi.

[@lazylittledragon]

but it is stolen property. generative ai is by DEFAULT stolen property.

[@VixxyCopeland]

Tbh I think we need to stop calling Imozi as the Sims 4 killer and a replacement. Because....Its not? At least at this current state. Imozi is a game made by a Korean company and is meant to highlight their culture. TS4 is very American overall. Imozi is very realistic. TSF is very cartoony. These games are in the same genre but are clearly for two different types of people. At least in my eyes. I don't think Imozi is gonna be a bad game. But I dont believe its for me, therefore i don't wish to waste my money on it. People don't need to be Imozi or TS4 extremists.

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

Inzoi, not Imozi. I’m interested in the game but not likely to buy it, various reasons including my laptop not being up to it.

[@kitkatt430]

​@@ShintogaDeathAngelI was gonna say the same thing. They kept calling the game Imzoi instead of Inzoi was getting on my nerves..

[@jeca765]

Paralives is coming though...

[@knmaherijayatp8181]

wtf is imozi?

[@kitkatt430]

@@knmaherijayatp8181 😂🤣😂 That's what I was wondering

[@PinkMarshmallows]

idgaf what anyone says about InZOI, I'm still going to get it and play the poop out of it. Never going back to Sims again. I will never be in an abusive relationship again.

[@psycho-delicpyromaniac9595]

same I'm sick of spending 40 bucks on ten pieces of furniture and a few new hairstyles

[@kyyuun]

@@psycho-delicpyromaniac9595 both of you should learn how to pirate stuff I swear bc if you think InZoi won't be doing the same as soon as they pop off that's delulu 😭😭

[@alinashirinian2485]

​@@psycho-delicpyromaniac9595 ​then just... don't do it... bestie why do you give your money to EA to essentially just buy new bugs for your game when mods and CC are free (apart from a few paywalling grifters that don't deserve your attention anyway)? 😭

[@moethemoon]

“Abusive relationship” y’all are goofy af these companies don’t care abt u 💀 just pirate games it’s the moral and SMART thing to do

[@alinashirinian2485]

@@moethemoon right 😭 people are so needlessly dramatic

[@lokee800]

Simmer Gonz posted about the lack of diversity in caz and he was met with SO MUCH HATE. People kept trying to argue that ''lack of diversity doesn't equal bad game'' but when it's a life simulator... yeah it really does

[@wolfwhitaker]

The people making comments about the hyper realistic style of the Zois makes me think they didn't play Sims 3 (MOTHER). It took me forever to get with the graphics of Sims 4 because of how cartoony it is. Also I think people are taking this too seriously and are having way too many expectations this early on but that only comes from our love for simulation games as a whole. EA has been pinching and giving CRUMBS but this game comes out as a demo, out of South Korea may I add, and you expect it to just be "diverse". They just want it to work. Remember that Sims 4 didn't even have color on the map when it first came out. So I think it's cool to have reservations on playing it because of what it lacks. But we gotta remember that A. They're not American so their views on representation are not the same (take that how you will) and B. the thing isn't even fully done yet. Also...how quick we forget how trash Sims 4 when it came out. But 80 packs and 10 years later, it's apparently okay to compare what it has NOW to InZoi in the first 48 hrs

[@TheIndogamer]

Videos like these explain why Rockstar are very secretive about GTA 6. Remember when people saw leaked images of GTA 6's development and acted like it's a finished game?

[@maddalenasegato]

To people complaining about inclusivity: 1)this isnt the game, this isn't even pre-release, it's a demo with a handful of options for showcase purposes...and it's still better than sims 4 at release. 💀 2) This is a Korean company, I am honestly surprised they did even this much. My korean friends who grew up there say that the culture is still very exclusionary compared to European or Us standards, so they're not necessarily used to or familiar with implementing diversity. If anything, I am positively impressed that at such an early demo they have been so diverse and open, it looks like they are really trying here, so let's cut them some slack.

[@ryuseiphilia]

why are people comparing inzoi and the sims 4 when clearly they are different games with different approaches. i mean, yes, they are both life simulation games with some similarities. but inzoi seems to be aiming for more realistic gameplay with an open world concept. the sims has occults, sillier interactions, and such because it isn't meant to be hyperrealistic. i like the idea of both games. and on the topic of diversity, though i'm only asian, i believe inzoi is already way better at trying to include racially diverse CAZ things. key word: trying. plus, this is still in dev phase. it's not done, so why is everyone being so critical? go play the sims if you like it so much, but some of us who like both are giving inzoi a real chance.

[@tenorei]

If I was going to play something like this I would rather just... go outside and do things...

[@SkiesTurnedGrey]

100% agree. This is my main concern with inZOI. It doesn't feel like a _game._ Replicates/imitates real life too closely. Too seriously. If you want to get stuck in traffic for 2 hours on your way to work, and work in a fast food restaurant bussing tables and mopping floors, five days a week, just go do it in real life. I think this is more for people that are hopelessly disappointed or disenchanted with real life, so they seek to create a fantasy "other life" in a virtual world. Like SecondLife or IMVU.

[@Mr_Topek]

​@@SkiesTurnedGrey Man I just wanna build nice houses leave me alone 😅

[@SkiesTurnedGrey]

@@Mr_Topek Fair enough.

[@FairyAtheistPrincess]

@@SkiesTurnedGrey Idk. I get what youre saying, because I personally like Sims 4. But its cool that I can play a more realistic life sim beside a cartoony one. At first the graphics threw me off, but now im realizing Inzoi is just far more realistic and idk realism is fun. I'll be playing both for certain!

[@marie-jeannekirby8764]

A lot of people who criticized the game DIDN'T PLAY IT!

[@Extinct-Lizard]

Ai is a tool that can be used in many ways ai art is one of the absolute worst ways for it to be used I will not give money to a company not only supporting ai art but using it

[@exlibrisas]

I see that Simmmers are quite casual people, when it comes to games and technology. It is very usual to have giant download sizes, demanding graphics and various other things. I feel that inZoi is made with a common gamer in mind, rather than a casual simmer. I actually like it. Sims 4 is severely technically limited to people with proper gaming PCs and gamer mentality. But if inZoi tries to be a direct Sims competitor, then I understand why not thinking about the masses might not be good for the game.

[@m.g.5073]

it's funny to me because inzoi reminds me of life makeover so much and that game is so pretty but stale seems like a left turn undertaking for an mmorpg + pubg dev team to make as well ngl, but maybe having mmorpg bg would have its surprising advantages

[@saiyamoru]

I feel like that was the goal of Life Makeover but for some reason getting people to actually socialize is like pulling teeth. I do still spend time on it every day but I wish I could have like, pool parties or dinner parties or sleepovers. :(

[@neffyg35]

People on Twitter will never be happy. It will never be enough. I say if you want a game a certain way, either get mods or make the game yourself.

[@kitchencat1816]

I'm really glad that there's another life sim on the market and hope it does well so EA can get their shit together. I know for a fact though, that my PC will NOT be able to run this. That's ok, though - It's too realistic for my liking and I don't plan to play it.

[@SkiesTurnedGrey]

You, and anyone else concerned about not being able to run inZOI, but wanting something other than Sims, should look into Paralives. Very promising upcoming life sim game. I believe they're expecting early access to start sometime next year. I personally love the art style of Paralives much better anyway.

[@NatsumiMichi]

I think the main point right now is that this is not a launch but a demo and Krafton seems to actually be responsive to user feedback. That's one sentence we couldn't possibly have said about EA, you know, that indie company that peaked in 2009 and have been struggling to implement cars into their dumpster fire of a game for ten years now.

[@hectorheemskerk8862]

I do think it's hilarious you need to have the best type of computer to run a caz demo

[@Pcbdude82]

The best type of computer will run you 3k to 4k. You can spend around 1k and run this game just fine. That's why many gamers play on consoles. The games don't look as good or run as smooth. But you don't need to upgrade your rig. And it's coming to consoles at some point so

[@AlexParkYT]

I think if you turn RTX off it will make a big difference. My computer is mid and I was able to run it fine.

[@SimplyMatthew]

Let's not forget that they gave KZbinrs PC'S to play the game 💀

[@maxmote23]

@@AlexParkYT yeh, people tend to forget to lower the settings and change to smaller resolution to make games run better lol

[@Rikku16ful]

My gaming laptop is a GTX 1050 32GB and I ran the demo fine for hours 😂My laptop from 2018 too.

[@JayTohab]

I feel like a huge part of the success of the Sims was that their games could run on basically any computer (and when they couldn't, they tried to have a laptop equivalent). The tech behind Inzoi is impressive, but so was the tech behind the PSP (which caused it to warrant a higher price tag, which meant its competitor- the 3DS, which had graphics comparable to the Gamecube- had several times as many sales). Personally, I'll be holding out for Paralives or other Indie competitors... if only because I too cannot run this game with my current setup

[@realjennyrae2863]

I think having a life sim that focuses on realism will be great for a lot of people that are missing that from the Sims. Especially people that love hyperrealistic alpha cc and realistic gameplay. I love the wackiness of the Sims series but there's always been a group of people that want more realism, which I think InZOI will provide for them. I personally don't think I'll like this more than TS4 but I'd probably play it for awhile and check in on it every now and then. I'm more of a Paralives fan though.

[@TyRoop]

Sounds like too many people drank the EA Kool-Aid and forgot that competition forces companies to produce better products to entice consumers to choose their products over something else.

[@kitkatt430]

TyRoop Exactly

[@JFairy189]

Except this is the Triple A game industry we're talking about. It's about making the most money for the least amount of effort. Publishers chase whales (i.e. the shills who purchase every DLC and cosmetic pack) and milk franchises dry. They will alienate fans for a profit as long as whales continue to throw money at them.

[@asyaejderha8421]

idk why people are complaining about AI while theres an option to add your own images to the game, remember folks: dont let AI steal art, steal it yourself from google images LOL

[@Formoka]

I love the nuanced approach. Thank you, FGG!

[@IAmZIyah]

Its funny, that people have such criticisms, but fail to realize ITS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. The devs have continuously say this over and over, but people act like its the final version. Features are still being added, more diverse options are still being added, ITS IN FREAKING BETA. Geez, be patient.

[@ss-oq8fj]

Why should consumers be patient?

[@albondiga_ny]

Omg, all these people on their high horses about ethics. Like they know how every single company they buy stuff from runs their businesses... Yeah, okay 🙄 know what the solution is? If you don't like it, don't play it. Keep playing the Sims 4, because EA is so ethical 🙄

[@tishannax]

why are we comparing a game that is NOWHERE NEAR FINISHED to a game that’s been out for 10 years.

[@feebsnails2699]

No one did that, hope that helps!

[@melonity3182]

@@feebsnails2699 Then you are blind

[@tishannax]

@@feebsnails2699 you’re blind and deaf, hope that helped!

[@inventions178]

@@feebsnails2699 People have been doing that for years, hope that helps!

[@miachan7925]

@@feebsnails2699 Wrong ...many ppl compare them

[@qmmt9786]

Fantastic video. Thank you for your honestly and commitment to this community. I am excited for Inzoi. But my expectations are tempered.

[@donbeale4570]

I think we should all draw conclusions when the game finally comes out

[@maddiekrups1385]

maybe it will change, but for now, as someone wrote, this game seems so soulless to me. And despite its realism - artificial

[@Izumi250]

I find it weird that people are mad about the lack of hijabs, especially in a Korean game. Are there any wearable cross necklaces? Kippahs? Turbans? Are there any religions at all present in the game?

[@PlayboiAnakinTheCreator]

the glaze is insane 😭🙏 Its not even finished yet there wasnt even teens in the demo. These twitter people just need to give them time

[@seacoloredsky]

i agree with your "there's too much freedom for me" comment from the character creator video. inzoi is catered to the people who love detailed visual customization, and i'm not one of those people, so the demo looked more like a screenshotting simulator than a lifesim to me. i would like to try a new game in this genre even if my heart forever belongs to the sims 3, but i feel like i won't miss out on much if my laptop won't be able to run inzoi.

[@tutubakaanime]

Honestly I'm not sure if I'll play it myself. The graphics are so realistic. I had the same issue with Life by You when that was still being developed. Sims 4 and Paralives seem more my speed with the cartoony graphics.

[@wonderingmind8547]

I think competition is fun and helps build character, but I don't want to be childish about it. Neither game is better or worse and I love playing Sims 4. I just hate how broken the game is after every new game and update. And also, what was with the hate towards hijabs?😂😂 No, not everyone who wears a hijab does so by law or because they are repressed. Some people actually like certain aspects of their culture. As a black woman from America, we were scarves on our heads because it's apart of our culture. I even wore a hijab before! And there are even Islamic or hijab wearing people in my game. Those people need to chill and let other people be represented too.🤷🏾‍♀️

[@dragonproductions236]

I want you to tell me the islamic justification for why women should wear hijabs and then ask that question again.

[@wonderingmind8547]

@@dragonproductions236 There is no "justification" for something that is culturally significant to others. No one has to justify aspects of their culture for anyone to respect it. Wearing the hijab is a choice for many, unless you live in a restrictive environment where you are viciously assaulted for not "maintaining" an ideal of "purity and conservativism". Or maybe it's seen as weird and people bully hijab wearing women and snatch the scarves off their heads. Sound familiar? Because just as many cultures and religions in the West have these ideals and many women have died because of it. The hijab is not a sign of oppression, but the patriarchy is and that is what is harming women in Islamic cultures and countries. We can't ignore the beautiful aspects of something just because someone is using it to harm others. I know some Muslim women and girl personally, that wear their scarves proudly because it means so much to them. So, yes, they deserve representation in games and media.🤷🏾‍♀️

[@dragonproductions236]

@@wonderingmind8547 " There is no "justification" for something that is culturally significant to others." Let me rephrase that because appearently reading comprehension is hard for you. What's the reason islam gives for women needing to wear hijabs? The reason, as given by the text is "Tempting men".

[@grimnott]

when i tried the inzoi creator i couldnt for the life of me get a hooked nose, especially on female zois, and thats.. yikes. could just be me being stupid though

[@feebsnails2699]

I was able to get one, you just need to use a premade one with a hooked nose and go from there

[@RokoNovakGlazba]

The reason why a lot of people can barely get thru the opening screen (including me) is because raytracing is on by default for some, god awful reason

[@icedceilin]

How are there likes already y'all ain't watch nothing yet

[@RhyzVids]

Fr

[@Mahgosh]

@@RhyzVids how is this rely 18 mins ago while the comment is from 10 mins ago

[@RhyzVids]

@@Mahgosh idk

[@wyvernkraehe6879]

Watching part and already like

[@ANUBIS_BALCORTA]

why is half of this video just commenters on Twitter

[@Bluhbear]

That person at 1:35 really misunderstood the previous comment and took the conversation in a completely different direction. 😆

[@Ruler_of_Tired]

ai by itself isn't a problem. Generate ai tho, generate ai should be illegal from the way it started. It's old news by now, but for own good, we need strict regulation (not to make it illegal, but to protect from companies who use the tecnology in bad faith, to protects against people who use with bad faith, and to protect consumers too).

[@LunaWitcherArt]

The people comparing inzoi to 2014 sims 4 need to remember that sims 4 was meant to be A MOBILE PROJECT AND THEN BECAME SIMS 4. That thing was meant to run on THE MOST BASIC PHONE, not even a tablet, a PHONE. To this day Sims 4 strives to be as light as possible so every potato can run it, therefore increasing their market share. Inzoi from the beginning set out to do EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. The most beautiful graphics, the most realist lighting, the most detailed faces and animations. That comes at a cost. And the cost is a RTX4090 with an i9 cpu and 64gb of ram while you're at it. I sincerely hope that they optimize THE CRAP out of this game and make it run at least on a RTX4070. IMO it's a good balance between marketshare and quality detailed graphics. But this game will not replace Sims 4 because it is made for elite computers that cost elite prices, and in this economy? Not a chance.

[@andreaw2053]

I don't really get why we shouldn't compare inzoi to sims. I get that they're different games with different styles and ideas but they're still in the same genre, and both can learn from eachother. Competition is healthy and it's how we grow and learn. You don't have to hate something to point out it's flaws.

[@genderdystopia019]

That one guy said it perfectly, the "charm" of The Sims. inzoi will never have that. I'm still gonna try it though.

[@snurfbee58]

Finally, a fair and intelligent look at Inzoi. Thank you FGG for being the voice of reason.

[@musicmaker11]

I'll give it a shot when it comes out (if my computer can handle it). Kind of hoping gameplay wise it's more fleshed out and more of a complete experience than Sims games are at launch. I played the Sims all the way up through Sims 3. Too much money spent on all the Expansions. I tried Sims 4 at launch but I haven't touched it in years.

[@TheLitinz]

Thanks for doing research and not just spreading false assumptions and lies like other youtubers who are addressing potential problems with inzoi. I suppose this is the least biased video about this matter on youtube now

[@PenDvs]

If we're thinking about who from the sims market are likely to play inzoi, It's lilely those that play with alpha cc to get hyper realistic sims are more likely to play longterm, seeing as this does what they try to achieve off the bat... But those that prefer maxis match might dip in and out as and when the urge applies However, it also took a while for sims 4 to gain traction due to lack of content and people stuck with 3 due to the mods (and we suffered with optimisation hell) so its also a possibility that people will atick with sims 4 and dip in and out of inzoi until inzoi finds its feet I wish the best for inzoi but to be honest aesthetics wise it doesnt seem like its up my alley, though with the inevitable letsplays, i might change tune

[@tramnguyen0000]

So far inzoi looks very promising. I don't know about other people here but I honestly don't care much about any of the *problems* you mentioned. In fact, they're not problems to me at all. As a long time sims player, I'd rather pay this studio money to try a promising product than whatever shit EA has at the moment. I find it stupid when people complain about the demanding graphics or the large size. Like dude, it is a modern game. If you want progress this is what it looks like. If you want the game to play on your shitty toaster stick with the sims 4. About the AI thing, if you don't like it, then don't use it. Some people like it, let them use it. I can bet big money if AI existed in 2014 EA would have used the shit out of it tooo. Only one thing that I'm concerned about is whether the game will have good gameplay. Everything else is aesthetic and can easily be fixed.

[@catelynh1020]

For me, the problem with the necessary specs is not that i own an older laptop and don't even know if i can run the updated graphics of ffxiv. It's that the only competition for games i like tend to look so nice i'll never be able to play them. Which means there's no competition. If the entirety of the sims base wants to play a game like inzoi because they don't like what the sims has become, for the majority of them they have to stick with the sims. So it's like they never had another option. That said, i do think paralives is looking less intensive to run, so there should be some reasonable competition, but so many times there's a game you want to play and then it just isn't feasible. Even lower graphics doesn't always help. Hydroneer crashed on me many times over due to optimization and too much moving on the screen. I believe it should be better now, but i haven't reinstalled it to try again after burning out trying to get it to run properly in the first place.

[@Astro.Period]

I think the game has good potential the AI usage really is a killer- but aside from that they're just starting off. It's a little baby game. It doesn't have the years the community or the roots that the Sims has YET. And I really think this game might appeal to some Sims players, but it also feels like something that will attract its own fan base. Yes they have similar ideas but very different execution from what we've seen so far. It just feels a bit more serious/realistic than the Sims. And I really don't think it's fair to compare them just yet.

[@thatbish5504]

I'm so glad inzoi is here to shake sims dev . about time they start actually care about playerbase

[@sohshaa]

Random thought but The babies in Inzoi are so big.

[@rinhinagiku4539]

I dont understand why people are hating on it so much. The AI is weird tho. Cartoony is good, but so is realism. I look forward to playing it whenever it comes out

[@evil_radfem9162]

Korean game: is Korean The entire Western sphere:

[@LeFuil]

America is the only country though, everything has to be American

[@solong_goodnight]

Very intellectual comment here. Imagine expecting a game that's launching globally to have enough diversity options to satisfy a global audience. And fat people definitely don't exist in Korea, right? Right?

[@itskindawindy989]

@@LeFuil Everywhere in the world need to have American problem and American ideology, i am not even sure if they know what a Hijab is in Korea 🤣Pretty sure the Devs are confuse why Hijab are such a hot topic in the west.

[@blop5247]

@@itskindawindy989 and funnily enough, the majority of westerners don't even wear hijab but cry about lack of representation more than those who actually wear it

[@catinapan4956]

Me a Muslim 👁️👁️ : Why do American care about Hijab? IDGF about Hijab in games. I don't wanna see Hijab in a Korean game.

[@thebeetleball]

am I the only one put-off by just how... pretty the characters are? like they look so clean it's unsettling

[@SkiesTurnedGrey]

It's the AI waifu/husbando aesthetic, where the fake people are perfect and free of flaws, which will ultimately engender unrealistic expectations and standards in people. AI is going to leave society full of incels who don't know what real human contact or intimacy are. It's one step up from the pr0n epidemic. Humans are on the way out, but it's not because AI will grow sentient, take over the world and eradicate humanity; we're going to go extinct because everyone's going to be fapping alone in their bedrooms to "perfect" but fake AI girlfriends and boyfriends instead of actually creating meaningful relationships and starting families with other humans.