The Kenobi series returned for my pancreas while I was in the hospital (PART 2)

[@SheevTalks]

Oh Merry Christmas btw

[@mezzy9602]

Merry Chrysler !!! Thank you I’ve been waiting for this for a long time !!!!

[@Zamurkai]

Thanks Sheev, you a real one.

[@JDMaverick6714]

Congrats on beating Disney.You’re the real chosen one👏👍

[@jwappel3068]

Merry Christmas to you too.

[@randommoroccan1262]

MERRY SCIENCEMAS MR FAUCI

[@sgtboom7]

So funny thing, in regards to that trench coat scene where Leia "hides" in the coat. The actress that played her was at Star Wars Celebration and said that she had no idea how that was supposed to work. "How is anyone believing that this lump is normal? How is this happening?" The CHILD ACTRESS even thought it was stupid and made no sense.

[@robonator2945]

huh, so despite popular belief, star wars actually isn't even for children. I guess the new argument will have to be "it's about people waving flashing lights around, it's a series for infants!"

[@porkypile]

@@robonator2945 It's now a franchise for adults with the IQ of infants.

[@mari_golds-bleeding-ink]

Glad to see a child has more sense then the writers.

[@BeatAces]

Maybe there is a near humanoid species with lumps similar to that of the species that is Bigger Luke

[@themerchantofpueblo]

@@BeatAcesimperials always hire humans aliens can’t apply oh lord this show is sadly hilarious but no surprises there😂

[@nobody2996]

The Grand Inquisitor reveal is the most bizzare moment of the show for me. Just think about it for a second, Vader and the GI planned this out. I imagine Vader planning this, giggling like a drunk school boy about to pull the most epic prank as he tells the Grand Inquisitor "So, like, I'm gonna tell her that she's the Grand Inquisitor now, but... When the assault is over, she's gonna attack me... And then, and then, you're gonna wait just out of sight so you can walk in and reveal we've been playing her just as I stab her. It's gonna be so fucking funny, man."

[@yagamifire7861]

"And then we cut her head off?" "What? No we're going to leave" "We're going to leave...after you inflict the same wound on her she previously SOMEHOW survived?" "Yes" "But, Lord Vader-" "What?! I'm going to injure her then leave without actually witnessing her die and assume it all went to plan. It's fine. I'm not known for being meticulous nor exacting" "...as you wish, my lord"

[@evanpeacock6103]

I love this new robot chicken sketch you just came up with!

[@jonathanworthley2807]

Signing off this cause for a new one. If I could only remember where I left my other cause. Its not that the over the top shock and confusion routine isn’t kinda funny, over and over again. I mean really f-ing funny. When you get really f-ing mad and yell a f-ing lot, with extra f-s added, all about the f-ing TV show that you hate, it is really exciting. You seem to have a ‘lived in world’ knowledge about everything in the f-ing universe. It was refreshing to hear some F-ing fresh takes. You clearly had your mind open more then your arsehole on a Friday night. All very f-ing unpredictable. I never had any f-ing idea what you might f-ing say f-ing next, ….. f-ing! Thank god some f-ing one spoke up about this f-ing show and isn’t f-ing afraid to say what they f-ing think. It’s really f-ing hard to f-ing find anyone saying f-ing anything f-ing negative about f-ing Star f-ing wars. F-ing. You sir, are a f-ing great f-ing guy. But you f-ing remember that lost f-ing cause? Well i really f-ing need to go look for it. Hate to miss the f-ing rest of the f-ing video. I will never find anyone making a f-ing video about f-ing Starwars being bad. F-ing f-ing You are so f-ing brave and original. F-ING!!

[@scottgrey3337]

Impractical Jokers sitting in a nearby room, giggling: “Vader, now tell her she’s the big boss now.”

[@maestrofeli4259]

@@jonathanworthley2807 wtf man is this a copypasta?

[@offtheshelfET]

When Wade died I literally cried in my room for hours. My weeping was so loud the neighbors called the cops on me but when the cops arrived I simply told them “Wade died” and they understood leaving me be. I considered ending the show there and reevaluating my life but decided that Wade would’ve wanted me to see this thing to the end. Thank you Wade, I’ll never forget you and your sacrifice🥲

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

😭😭😭

[@offtheshelfET]

@@xavierfernandez02 “thank you Wade, for wrapping this scarf around my neck”

[@walterhaywood9106]

Wade? Was that a character? Sorry I guess you have to actually watch the show to know, my b

[@SKIllITY20]

@@walterhaywood9106lol he was the guy in 1 scene(where he does nothing and is in the background) before dying in the snow speeder attack. Btw it’s a snow speeder attack on an imperial ocean planet with no defences. Also I used to think that since they were “speeders” they weren’t able to reach upper atmosphere or go light speed but this show proved me wrong. Truly one of the moments in this show. I cry every time I think of Wade 😭😭😭

[@wackywarrior001]

😂

[@ParameterGrenze]

When he was going on about how stupid that defenseless base was, I was reminded how good of a job Andor did portraying a couple of tie fighters as something scary and dangerous for a random person without plot armor. They had to spent a lot of the plot for the characters to meticulously plan out the heist. And they still were scared … as they should be. This kind of realism made me engaged for Andor, and absolutely disengage in Kenobi

[@thatoneguy8146]

God Andor is so good

[@NoPantsBaby]

Well you see a stormtrooper hit his head on a door back in 1977 so.....

[@fusionwing4208]

not to mention, in Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, its made VERY clear that fortress inquisitorius is loaded to the brim with defenses and they actually had a very lucky shot at getting into it (not to mention the escape with vader chasing, now thats an example of vader being a terrifying badass)

[@Captain_Kickass-l1f]

Yeah, it's amazing what time fighters are capable of when not pitted against Jedi with plot armor a meter thick. Those things are like the Japanese Zeros in 1942 of star wars. And given Lucas's obsession with WW2 dog fighting, it was almost surly intentional.

[@lucasschultz]

I don't understand how kenobi wasn't instantly swarmed inside the fortress. Isn't it supposed to be an extremely secure facility. It was already quite the challenge in Jedi Fallen Order

[@dermegger7733]

I miss the olden days where you could actually be pretty sure that a light saber through the chest would kill someone. Just because it worked once with Maul doesn't mean it will work every other time you do it.

[@markgrehan3726]

Yeah that decision to bring Maul back has cast a long shadow, I like Maul as a character in the later cartoons but he should have remained dead.

[@panther-nk2hn]

@@markgrehan3726 Absolutely. I loved seeing him in the Clone Wars and Rebels, and Sam Witwer has been one of the greatest actors in the Star Wars universe, but resurrecting him most definitely opened up the can of death-defying worms that has been the Force.

[@Bird_Manukilla]

@@markgrehan3726agreed, I like how fleshed out he was in TCW and rebels. Though I wish they could have made a better reason other than “hur dur im angy”

[@CryosisOfficial]

At least with Maul, he was cut in half horizontally at the waist and was also the apprentice of the sith emperor himself, only clinging on through pure sith hatred magic. It requires a good degree of suspension of disbelief, but it's not too far out there as to be completely ridiculous. Nowadays, it seems every random nobody is capable of surviving a lightsaber attack (hell there was that one Storm Trooper that required 4 good whacks from one before he fell) through all their organs and then getting back up and into action again almost immediately. I mean Reva was a bloody child when she survived her first (the fact there's a 2nd time is just ridiculous) stabbing. A small child should have been boiled alive by a lightsaber melting straight through their torso, and they certainly don't have the mental capacity to will through the shock and pain. When I saw TFA in the theater, I thought that Finn was dead at the end of that movie because by all accounts he really should have been. Kylo despined him with what disney called an unstable particularly dangerous lightsaber. Yet in the next movie he's just miraculously alive and not at all paralyzed. Bacta tanks heal wounds, pretty sure they can't fix your entire CNS being obliterated.

[@ltb1345]

Maul also shouldn't have been brought back. It was silly and ridiculous, we just didn't realize it at the time because it was admittedly cool as well.

[@derbydriver]

I don’t think a big enough deal is being made about the fact that Luke Skywalker only lived because Reva had a last second change of heart. Obi-Wan Kenobi COMPLETELY failed his mission to protect Luke.

[@TrixiLovesYou]

At least it's in character, as Obi-Wan failed at just about everything up to the few days leading to his death.

[@blue-vr8dd]

​@@TrixiLovesYou how so?

[@olivermorse2591]

​@@blue-vr8ddhis incompetnce in the show compared to the few days in new hope

[@Jiub_SN]

@@olivermorse2591that's not everything up until the few days before his death tho

[@Jiub_SN]

@@TrixiLovesYouobi wan only failed in that he was a perfect Jedi. It was him that realized in the end that the Jedi and republic had it coming and that he should share those messages with Luke to ensure it never happens again. He saved the galaxy and the Jedi, himself and yoda at least. Without them imparting those messages luke would've probably ended up mimicking the old Jedi order and eventually leading to its fall/corruption

[@charlessub6652]

That anger at the Trenchcoat scene spoke to my very soul

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here.

[@Cobruh_Commander]

Angry Joe crew said it best: "This is from INSPECTOR GADGET!!"

[@aristogan]

I randomly remembered that scene yesterday like an intrusive thought and got mad all of a sudden lol

[@kingbash6466]

Still baffled to this day that people on Twitter were white knighting for this show by going, "Uh ActUalY, StAr WarS Was AlWayS SilLy aNd stUpiD. YoU faNs AlwaYs CompLaiN aBout eveRyThiNg." Ignoring how bad that excuse already is, this is the same show that opens with the slaughter of multiple children, and this is the same episode that had a room full of carbonated Jedi corpses, including those slaughtered children. Lol, what a goofy ahh show Kenobi is.

[@paxwax1]

Let the hate flow through you.

[@5h0rgunn45]

This is like, the third or fourth review I've watched about Kenobi and I still have absolutely no clue whatsoever why Reva wanted to kill Luke.

[@theelder4797]

Cuz he be white!

[@astr0blond3]

It’s cause she hates Anakin/Vader due to Order 66 and when she is confronted by the harsh fact she will never be able to get revenge by killing Vader (due to him completely humiliating her at every turn), so she tries to kill Luke. But Luke is an innocent child, mirroring her when she was hurt by Anakin. Thus, by killing Luke, she becomes Vader

[@noahmaldonado5461]

If I had to guess, I think she was afraid Luke would grow up to be another Vader

[@Largentfan80]

@@astr0blond3 you didn't explain why she wanted to kill Luke

[@lordgrim355]

@@astr0blond3that still didn’t explain why she wanted to kill him

[@shawnboosveld7042]

35:12 missed how there's not a drop of water that gets through the door, somehow. Tala then proceeds to say "that won't hold for long" implying that the BLAST DOOR on an UNDERWATER BASE is not strong enough to HOLD BACK WATER. Genius dialogue.

[@Tjp7624]

Even a god damn window can hold water for longer, in fact many yeeears, but the thicc blast door cant even hold it for a comfortably amount of time

[@johnathonharker266]

It's even better than that, because it's a blast door specifically designed for use in an *underwater base* I feel like having airlock style blast doors which can contain leaks or sudden pressure changes is the sort of thing the Empire would include on their mostly underwater, ultra-secure, Inquisition blacksite I guess they thought the ocean would have to be insane to cause any maintenance difficulties

[@joshuaslawson9125]

​@@johnathonharker266what's funny is Jedi: Fallen Order, makes the base make more sense. Shields, airlocks, and more, plus hundreds if not thousands of stormtroopers and purge troopers.

[@conmacmara2743]

@@johnathonharker266 The ocean would be insane to invade that base; it will never happen.

[@colinlam5635]

I am absolutely certain that the idea of pulling up the galactic map never even occurred to anyone who worked on this show

[@BlueBerry2283]

That's if they even knew or thought of the possibility of a galactic map in the first place, which I have a hard time believing they did

[@michielwerring5846]

To be fair, they make a new map every few years and none of them seem to be consistent. I gave up trying to make sense of it.

[@RecluseBootsy]

Map? Source... material? The fuck is that? This is Disney, baby! *snorts a line* WOOOO! Let's play Star Wars Mad Libs and make a shitty movie!

[@CoronaHoax-nd2rr]

@recluse 😂🤣😂🤣

[@underscore____4060]

Not only is there a galactic map, but there is a star wars game that gives you lists of ships and their hyperspace capabilities so that you can figure out how fast they would get there and what lanes they would need to take!

[@UnendedGalaxy]

You know, in hindsight, that moment in TLJ where BB-8 rolls around underneath a trashbin is less insane than four-legged trench-coat Obi-Wan.

[@chasehedges6775]

Revenge Of The Sith>Kenobi and Last Jedi.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Trash bin droids: *exist* racist 😑

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@Squeekysquid Think they mean that even the prequels far surpass any of the recent movies. Which I honestly agree with, cause despite their flaws, they still had good writing and logic in them.

[@rsdillbot3646]

@@norrecvizharan1177 you know in like 20 years, the people who grew up witg tnr sequals are gonna scream how they wee masterpieces, just like how everyone use to hate the prequal till people grew up and now claim they are masterpieces, (I'm a prequel fan btw)

[@Сайтамен]

@@rsdillbot3646 They won't have any actual evidence of good writing in them to support their point.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

The cut of "somehow Palpatine returned..." everytime sheev says somehow is just great 😂

[@Angrenost02]

29:41 you can actually see the second stormtrooper litterally throwing his gun away. Freaking hilarious.

[@5h0rgunn45]

Oh no, this chick has hold of my helmet chin, whatever shall I do? Let me drop this so I can flail my arms uselessly.

[@theelder4797]

Lol wow, nice catch - there's so much stupid in that short sequence, we missed that bit of stupid.

[@rmcgowa1987]

Stormtroopers have always been made to look incompetent in the movies and some shows but this show truly takes the cake I am glad that most of the older star wars games did show how competent they could be recently fallen order did a decent job of stormtroopers they aren't great but at least they don't miss when they shoot you. Go back and play shadows of the empire stormtroopers can be quite deadly. Every enemy in the jedi knight series can be quite deadly before you get a saber even after this if they happen to have a concussion rifle or disruptor rifle.

[@pinkminipuff]

These action scenes, man....

[@gameracer5155]

I- You know I was so baffled by the stupid that I didn't notice that, but now that I *do* notice it, I will **never** worry about the quality of my star wars fanfiction ever again. If this can get into an official show, I'm 100% good for AO3 quality

[@rafaelduarte2730]

To be fair to the trenchcoat scene Leia was so incredibly poorly hidden that my brain couldn’t actually comprehend what I was looking at so I actually didn’t see her at first

[@PosthumanHeresy]

People really underestimate the weirdness filter on a human being. The Leia thing working feels completely believable _despite_ also being obviously stupid as shit. It feels like an Anakin tactic, not an Obi-Wan tactic, but I can perfectly accept it working in real life. We know she's there, that instantly breaks our weirdness censor and makes us see it for what it is. But the people there don't know she's there, and they are doing their daily routine life. Besides for research, there's been prank shows (not in the horrid modern way, but in the harmless old TV way) that exploit this for a laugh. Easy three person prank: talk to a stranger and ask for directions, and midway through have two friends carrying a large object cut between you and the stranger in such a way that you can't be seen. During that moment, swap places with one of the two people carrying the object, wearing similar clothing. You and the other person do not need to be the same race, gender, age, height, or anything else. Just superficial patterns. Most of the time, the stranger will not realize anything has changed, at least until a period of resumed conversation has happened. It's called change blindness. Having a distinct object you're holding that the new person is also holding when they appear can make it work even better. Quite simply, it could work in real life and every single guard would be fired or executed for falling for such a stupid maneuver. It's something that probably shouldn't be used in fiction because it seems too stupid to work, but is more likely to work than audiences ever expect. Human vision is a big lie, and your brain is just making shit up based on what it expects unless you're extreme paying attention. None of those people looked like they were paying enough attention to be guaranteed to not fail that spot check. Not only do humans have a blind spot our brain just completely makes up from what's supposed to be there, which fails at new stimuli, but the rest of it isn't given enough mental attention to actually register things properly. Unless a person looked at Obi-Wan long enough to consciously think about him, it would likely go unnoticed. The only reasons it would fail are if someone on base actually gave their job 100% of their focus and mental energy (also highly unrealistic), or if a passing Stormtrooper saw Obi-Wan and was checking that fine man out. But it's still one of those "truth is stranger than fiction" things and doesn't play well in fiction, so it wasn't the wisest writing move. Whoever wrote that episode, I'm guessing if you say the words "change blindness" to them, their face will light up like a Christmas tree. I'm guessing they overthought it and forgot that writing has to be dumbed down from real life sometimes because reality is friggin weird. Underthinking it is the easy excuse, and honestly I think the writers were trying their best here even if they didn't achieve to the standards of some. I don't think they phoned it in, I think it's one of those situations everyone hates admitting exist: they did their absolute best and it didn't matter because they weren't good enough. Overthinking it makes way more sense if you're not just looking to belittle and actually want to think out how these things happen.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Yeah no, the idea that it would work because it might work for humans not properly paying attention when it's taking in place in a base where it's their job to pay attention, especially at the time the scene takes place. And these are supposed to be elite people guarding an important base. It's just as bad to say the imperials weren't paying attention as it is to expect people paying attention to not notice the lump in the coat.

[@zama422]

@@PosthumanHeresy”they didn’t phone it in because one of the 1000 instances can be explained by some obscure quirk of the human brain” yeah ok

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@zama422 It's really not that obscure. Also, you really gotta start thinking of writers as "that one friend who can go on fifteen tangents explaining thirty things you've never heard of", because that's what they are.

[@bring-out]

​@@PosthumanHeresy I don't think the writers phoned it in as that would just be weird. Why intentionally write something bad if you can do it better. The most plausible explanation imo is they thought it was a campy thing that fit the tone of Star Wars which isn't entirely unfounded even though it was probably a few steps too far in this case and a misjudgement. Or it's possible that the writers thought about change blindness however failing to consider the full context here. Even though change blindness exists it's by no means unaffected by variables like the level of focus, individual susceptibility and the level of weirdness. There were a lot of people at that place and your assessment that no one was "guaranteed to not fail that spot check" is not the correct one to make. Of course no one is guaranteed to notice anything but that doesn't make it likely. And don't forget it's enough that just one individual amongst all to succeed with that spot check which means the chances for not a single success is exceedingly low. And in this case there's an alarm going which puts people in a state of alertness. In that state it's far less likely that such things go unnoticed as people are actually looking for things out of the ordinary. Talking about belittling it's not about dumbing things down for the audience, it's about not taking for granted that the targeted audience have knowledge of obscure things. And if you want to use such things you need to inform the audience about it either by showing or telling. In this case it doesn't matter that much though as the thing doesn't work in this context anyway.

[@erickillian313]

Listening to your anger and exasperation for 4 hours over two long episodes has been so very cathartic. Thank you Sheev.

[@NarcissistAU]

Please never stop doing long-form videos; scene-by-scene is the most effective and cathartic way to illustrate the abject failures and help us work through them all. Plus you're giving us the only entertainment we're going to get from the bilge They produce. Big ups blud.

[@michaelcondron1304]

Totally agree! I can see the value of shorter videos if you're on a bus or something (or if you just prefer them) but I would love some filter that let me search for videos say over 45mins. You can really dive into a topic... and creators like Sheev or Mauler or Jay Exci all offer different (and may I say entertaining and informative) takes on the media we all consume. I thoroughly applaud all of their efforts. Because of them and countless others I have managed to avoid She-Hulk, several regrettable Marvel movies, and yet still feel caught up enough to go see the ones that I really want to. I saw the beginning of Wandavision (and enjoyed it) but when it went off the rails (for me anyway) I stopped watching and relied on these long-form critiques/breakdowns to keep me caught up so that I could confidently go see Multiverse of Madness without having to suffer through the last of WV... I, unlike the townsfolk, am fully aware of what Sheev (and others like him) have sacrificed for me... and I humbly thank them. TLDR: Yes to the above, Thanks Sheev!

[@zohzie]

This is why i love Mauler and efap tbh. Long man good

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

They? come on just say Jews and be full Kanye lol

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@michaelcondron1304 Mauler or Jay Exci all offer different (and may I say entertaining and informative) takes on the media we all consume. I don't even know where to begin Please ONE "informative" take - they all seem filled with errors Two "media" we "all" "consume" Gee maybe its possible we look at ART and we don't consume it and no "we" all don't do the same thing lmao But good luck on your string of nonsense

[@NarcissistAU]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Wow, I meant the people pushing these minimum viable products at Disney, Netflix, Amazon, or wherever. I don't see how religion or race is relevant? I'm pretty sure the only thing They all have in common is an embarrassing lack of talent as storytellers.

[@necromancypizza]

The absolute mental breakdown in 36:50 had me deader than the stormtrooper that got slapped 😂💀

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Moreso 36:41

[@crosshair9907]

Sheev is really giving Mauler a run for his month with the length of these kenobi videos

[@chasehedges6775]

Sheev, Mauler and Critical Drinker deserve all the love.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@chasehedges6775 No they don't

[@lukescrew1981]

Don't bring Mauler into this

[@chasehedges6775]

@@lukescrew1981 Yes, they do. They’re some of the willing to stand up to this trash!

[@miqvPL]

also Sheev doesn't derail the topic at hand to take a 10 minute long detour to talk about MCU or some other shit.

[@Zeppelinschaffner22]

I think it's really embarrassing that still today Star Wars treats entire planets like a small village. There's only one area where all characters meet and just knowing a planets name is enough to pinpoint exactly the region, city, neighborhood and housing block where you want to go

[@jamesmccue9748]

Yes! This is my biggsst issue with Star Wars. Mando show sometimes handles it appropriately but even then not always.

[@muchanadziko6378]

well, yeah, it's part of the charm

[@psicopato2460]

​@@muchanadziko6378not really, the original trilogy didn't do that, at all. We see that Luke lives far from the nearest city, that being Mos Easley, and that the aliens who sell droids have a set path to follow so that they can sell as much as possible. We also see that Jabba's palace is far from both Mos Easley and Luke's home, and the Sarlac Pit is even further. We're never told where exactly this points are, but we can see that the planets aren't just one place, they are large, have many different people living there, different cities, factions, languages, etc... so these new shows and movies do a pretty poor job when going back to these planets and treating them like villages

[@muchanadziko6378]

@@psicopato2460 if you want to take away the magic from those films, then sure

[@psicopato2460]

@@muchanadziko6378 how does that take away from the magic? If anything, it adds to it. When we first see Tatooine, we see the "farmland", two native alien tribes, and the part where bounty hunters and travelers stop to chill. Then, when we come back to it, we see there are palaces, pig looking things, monsters brought from other planets and monsters native to that planet. The fact that we can both hop from one planet to another, explore the space in between the more distant planets, and also see just how big and diverse these planets are is what adds charm to the franchise, really makes us understand just how big the galaxy is. The problem with the new series is not that they go to different planets, is that they go from one planet to the other as if they were teleporting, and they always go to same 1/2 places every time

[@skrounst]

Honestly, Bail's message to Obi Wan had me yelling at my screen like you did with the trenchcoat. I turned the show off directly after that scene and I never had any intention of continuing. I was tired of seeing characters I care about be turned into bumbling morons. I gave Bail a pass when he went to Obi Wan's cave, he was desperate, yada yada... but how are you going to send a transmission thinking Obi is captured, explaining EVERYTHING Vader at all costs CAN'T know.

[@Britdarg]

In Jedi: Fallen Order, the final level is the Fortress Inquistorius, and while the defences are still probably too light, there is still A LOT MORE than in this show. The characters have to eject from a cloaked ship in escape pods on the planet from space, past a star destroyer orbiting the planet, and once they get in the place is crawling with troopers, including proper purge troopers. (Troopers who can actually hold their own against a jedi in a fight). But I guess in the five years after Cal Kestis broke in they decided to lower security and retire the proper purge troopers and instead replace them with some cheap recolours of stormtroopers (the red and black troopers in this show are apparently purge troopers, which is a fucking joke having played the game LOL) God this show is ASS

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

This is the same fortress?!

[@joeymobb8438]

Sure is! Guess no one thought to weld a grate over that sewer line.

[@Xpert599]

And even to mention in the game the atmosphere and background is beautiful and has substance. I know the fortress in the show is during high tide storm but that’s because the people who made it look like that were too lazy to add the planet and atmosphere present in the game. Such a lazy show.

[@gustavomendes4157]

@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 yes, i don't know if you played JFO, in case of not, I will explain: in this mission Cal manages to destroy some part of the fortress, but not even close of destroying for entirely, the triangular part which emulates Vader's Castle is kept intact for exemple, so it doesn't make sense if someone tries to defend saying that "they spent less resources to rebuild", because it's the same fortress Cal entering the fortress by the ocean makes sense because the Empire wouldn't expect such an specific attack which the mission was to recover one item, principally by two Jedi (Cere Junda goes with Cal), the last people to invade the home of the people who literally hunts Jedi, but Kenobi's raid doesn't make sense because the Empire would be ready for this type of attack after what Cal has done It's was just poor world building

[@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559]

Additionally, it’s the first time you fight 2 purge troopers at the same time in the game. There’s an immediate spike in difficulty, and the fact there’s a point of no return, AND how it’s not replayable…really does hype it up.

[@kingbash6466]

The idea of Obi-Wan and Vader having another fight before ANH still sounds entirely dumb to me. Like the reason their fight in Mustafar works is because it contextualizes Vader's quote, "When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master." His rash actions is what lead him to be permanently crippled, and their second/last fight shows how much he's matured in his fighting style, to never make a mistake like that again. The show just makes the message more muddled because Vader slaps Obi-wan around in round 1, but that was only because he was holding back, and he would have been killed by him in their next match if it hadn't been Obi-wan choosing to just not finish the job. It's just reeks of shallow fanservice.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

it's fanservice for the very casual fans... so, fakeservice

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Yarblocosifilitico I’m a casual fan and I HATe this show with every fiber and core my being.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

@@Squeekysquid Now that I think of it, I couldn't say which SW film is my favorite; I've never felt the need to have a favorite one. But yeah I like the OT. What's pretentious about that?? I'm quite curious what your logic there is. Either way, many things about Kenobi break canon, which is not a good thing, therefore my criticism of it. I really don't see the problem. Also, read your comment again and you might realize it is quite pretentious itself ;P

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

@@Squeekysquid So, what, you were tryna trick me into saying something like that, so you could confirm your assumption of me being pretentious? Ok then. I've been there, tbh, and I know how obnoxious dogmatic fans can be. Honestly, if you're asking "What about the show breaks canon?", you're clearly either a casual fan or not even a fan. Which is not a bad thing, don't get me wrong. I'll try to summarize it: in the original movie, Leia addresses Obi Wan like she only knows him from his parent's stories; and Vader addresses him like they haven't seen each other since the duel at Mustafar in the prequels. Also, Bail Organa is made a fool in this show and it's hard to explain how the Empire, knowing Obi Wan rescued his daughter, doesn't do anything about him being a rebel conspirer in all the time between the show and the OT. There's plenty more but that's the crucial ones, I think. It was just unnecessary messing with the well-established lore, even more so considering there was already a good novel about Obi Wan's time in Tattoine watching over Luke (leaving Tattoine in the show makes no sense; Leia would've been rescued by mercs or even the Empire itself, considering Bail Organa was officialy a compliant senator).

[@Squeekysquid]

@@Yarblocosifilitico I don' think you're one of the pretentious one. I just figured I'd cover that base on the off chance some goober came in saying "Um actually it was originally called just Star Wars". They usually believe knowing that kind of trivia is what makes them a real fan. It's the kind of useless trivia that gets in the way of actual discussions. The only part I disagree with is the assertion of a casual fan, or not a true fan because I don't hold to the same ideals. I don't know/remember x detail therefore I must not actually like the thing. That line of reasoning more specifically the not recalling aspect is akin to if you cared you'd actually remember bs I've heard my whole life.

[@sub-zero5433]

Kinda surprised you didn’t mention what I think was the worst thing about episode 6, how kenobi basically let luke die. After revenge of the sith, the whole purpose of kenobi’s character is to watch over and eventually train luke, but here he fails completely. If it wasn’t for reva’s sudden character 180° than luke would be dead, and the galaxy would be doomed. This kid is the only hope for billions of people and kenobi almost let him die. As much as rebels screwed up, one thing it nailed was maul, and by extension, kenobi. The mere indirect mention of luke by maul in the “twin suns” episode is enough for kenobi to immediately go into attack mode and kill maul with 3 moves, yet in the kenobi show he forgets all about luke towards the end and not only leaves him defenseless, forgives reva for almost killing him. why didn’t he attack her the second he saw her with luke? the fate of the entire galaxy is worth less than the life of one half-reformed, dying inquisitor it would seem. god this show sucks

[@LordVader1094]

And let's not forget that Rebels is SUPPOSEDLY only 5 years after this show.

[@EvapJyro]

How did rebels screw up?

[@sub-zero5433]

@@EvapJyro being awful besides season 3, having the same plots used over and over, completely wasting the grand inquisitor, vader, and the emperor, having a whiny bitch main character who barely changes at all, having the most goddamn annoying side characters I’ve ever seen, having little to no fight choreography, I could go on but I don’t wanna be here all day lmao

[@EvapJyro]

@@sub-zero5433 I honestly only watched rebels for maul because he’s my favorite and ahsoka, didn’t find the show really that interesting besides those two (and vader cameos) I didn’t really like any of the inquisitors, fallen order was the only one to actually bring good inquisitors (second and ninth) the rest are uninteresting

[@sub-zero5433]

@@EvapJyro that’s what i’m sayin. rebels only had one cool inquisitor and they kill him off at the end of the first season, the rest were so god damn boring. I’ll give credit where it’s due, the maul/ashoka stuff was done very well. Vader, like I mentioned was unfortunately very mishandled. he arrives in season 2 to replace the grand inquisitor, and easily overpowers the main cast and comes close to killing them. but after he kills ashoka at the end of season 2, he just gives up and leaves the show, even though his whole job pre-episode 4 was to kill jedi. It doesn’t make any sense at all

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

Thank you. Vader wouldn't want to alleviate Obi Wan's guilt by saying "you didn't kill Anakin, I did". He'd want him to think it's his fault and torture him both mentally and physically

[@nickm8874]

Much as I hated the show. That was the little piece of Anakin that was left; who said that. I don’t mind that bit

[@krisis4045]

Didn’t Cal literally explode most of the fortress in jedi fallen order like 5 years before this? The fact there’s actually LESS defenses than in that game is insane.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Those games are just as trash as the shows. Only there to replace the Force Unleashed games.

[@sauldownbadman876]

​@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.Lol what

[@thefollower2933]

​@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Lmao

[@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy]

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.I don’t love the story of the two games but it’s far more serviceable and complete than anything I’ve seen in the film/tv division of Star Wars in 10 years. Force unleashed sucks too mate, literally unplayable on PC.

[@pedrorenault5335]

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.Oh yes, Force Unleashed, the famous game where a dark side padawan ragdolls Vader around making him look like a chump and the entire Rebellion is formed by Palpatine to lure Bail and two other people months before A New Hope

[@Scagguy4014]

The scene with leia under the trench coat was really the last straw for me. The writers just don’t have any idea what they are doing. They sink millions of dollars into the spectacle but can’t be bothered to hire writers that actually care.

[@SpFlash1523]

They know nothing about Star Wars.

[@zero1zerolast393]

It's not about weighing a good story. It's about getting government money for adding in DEI and making the movies failures for tax right off. Disney probably doesn't care anymore if they aren't making money

[@anticitizenokapi4634]

The montage of Vader killing people while Anakin whining "Its Obi Wans fault" was playing in the background had me in fucking stitches.

[@FilmFlam-8008]

Unfortunately, it seems like Disney writers have not yet developed perception of object permanence yet. If it is off screen, it no longer exists.

[@christopherbravo1813]

Oh no "There's nowhere to run!"

[@hapahuppert]

I could not believe no one else mentions the fact that show canonically makes obi wan at fault for the deaths and oppression of millions of people for not once BUT TWICE leaving Vader alive. The second one being far more unforgivable!

[@sanchorim8014]

To be fair, in 1977, a stormtrooper hit his head, so it's all good.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

Nevermind then

[@StarWarsHour]

Wade will never be forgotten. Rest In peace king!

[@Hippo_Hegemony]

F

[@GabesEdtiz]

@@Hippo_HegemonyF

[@mr.s1146]

O7

[@goosegas2087]

F

[@SpFlash1523]

"Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we needed."

[@miracles4219]

Obi-Wan: Have you come to destroy me?! Sheev: You have done that yourself!

[@chasehedges6775]

👍

[@ericchung3177]

"You can't criticize this show for being goofy and braindead because Star Wars was always just as goofy and braindead!" is some big brain logic for people who are apparently fans of the series.

[@doctorplag6905]

I like that they claim to be the "fans" of the series but the second they hear something bad being said about the new stuff they just start assulting the originals at this point did you even watch the originals

[@chasehedges6775]

@@doctorplag6905 At this point, I’m just gonna keep watching Revenge Of The Sith.

[@doctorplag6905]

@@chasehedges6775 honestly it's not such a bad idea the only reason i still care about this franchise is coming back to the old stuff like old games comics and movies it just reminds me of a passion i hold for star wars since i was a kid and now recently i started replaying emipre at war force unleashed and jedi academy and it's Good to return to it after hearing people say 'star wars fans always complain' or 'you should be happy that we are getting new star wars content'

[@LordVader1094]

@@doctorplag6905 Funny thing is I'm not at all happy we're getting new Star Wars content. These people are such braindead hyper consumers that they think the only thing that matters is having MORE. Star Wars went on hiatus for 16 years between the Original and Prequel Trilogies. We survived just fine.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

My favorite is, whenever you mention a plot hole or something that is just impressively dumb and people go "It's a kids movie with space wizards"

[@dylanchilders]

The whole Qui Gon thing really feels like they didnt know if they were gonna get Liam Neeson or not, and then he just showed up on the last day of shooting and they had to come up with a little bonus scene for him or something

[@DawidKov]

31:25 See, the funny thing is the underwater base made sense in the Fallen Order game - it was the prison part of the base. If the prison was compromised, they could flood that portion of the base, killing all prisoners and preventing their escape.

[@jackjones2454]

True, honestly I think that the problem with the scene was not the the base was built under water, but rather that the inquisitors failed to make blaster-proof windows. Or at least something durable enough to endure more than 1 blast without showing signs of significant damage.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

The base flooded cuz shit was getting destroyed. It does not make sense. Those games are just trash put there to further erase the Force Unleashed games.

[@hamster1748]

​@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.Stay mad nerd 🤓

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

@@hamster1748 stay, whatever you are, waste of molecules. 🥴

[@shoocharu]

At 2:20:22 my favourite part about the fact that Obi-Wan jumps to hyperspace to get to Tatooine, is the fact that he has a ship that can jump to hyperspace, while THE PROBLEM THE REBELS HAD, WAS THAT THEIR OWN SHIP COULDN'T DO THAT. Why the fuck did they not use the smaller ship instead??!

[@Heartshapedbox81]

I don't know if you seen the Last Jedi but these current Star Wars writers are really bad at writing Space Warfare.... well everything to do with it actually, but really bad at writing in particular, perilous situations where the bad guys have the upper hand.

[@EagleTwoSix]

Right and his ship can travel to Tatooine in zillion parsecs as Reva is already there after her hyperspace speed walk from Mos Eisley

[@Tat011]

It's worth noting this isn't even the first time the inquisitorium was attacked by a jedi who entered by going underwater and flooded the base in order to escape, i'm pretty sure it's even mentioned that the base HAS shields so...

[@ethanfox8979]

Cere says that she is disabling the shields when they first arrive. The flooding was only possible because they were disabled.

[@threemar3]

I like how, as Sheevs slowly (quickly) loses his mind, he turns more and more into E;R

[@twilimess]

I understood that reference, also let me know the timestamp where it shines the most

[@sithsaiyan4529]

Lmao, E;R is a legend.

[@sithsaiyan4529]

@@twilimess Captain America reference, lol

[@threemar3]

@@twilimess i only just saw your reply whoops. If I had seen this more recently I'd give you a time stamp. Maybe illrewatch it soon.

[@thatoneguy8146]

That’s the perfect way to describe it

[@infamousplayer8772]

"No one would be stupid enough to attack it. Oh except for five years ago of course." "What happened five years ago?" "Oh nothing much, two Jedi Knights just broke into the place and successfully stole a priceless Jedi artifact. And killed like half the people in there. And took down an Inquisitor. AND escaped Vader. AND FLOODED THE PLACE. But yeah, as i was saying, so impenetrable it doesn't even need shields."

[@nananamamana3591]

You know something? It just occured to me... Is Beru the reason Owen and Beru are dead in A New Hope? Like, did she insist on staying, and not involving anyone who might help them? Which is why they ended up as burnt up old skeletons?

[@SpFlash1523]

It's not wonder Luke wanted to leave Tatooine so bad.

[@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy]

I choose not to see all the OT characters as bumbling morons so I also have to choose to not consider anything past 2005 canon.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

29:40 I love how she misses the first grab, even tho it's a rehearsed coreography (which makes the entire scene even worse, once you realize it was written, approved, rehearsed, filmed, and not edited out).

[@peterb5235]

This is star wars. They don't have the budget for editors duhhh

[@jayhartRIC]

The first Jedi temple scene telegraphed Reva’s reveal so hard it was sad. Showing the attack from a random group younglings’ perspective made no sense otherwise. Has they shown that scene from Anakin’s perspective it would have set up the same thing without spoiling it. Alternatively they could have not made it a reveal and made Reva’s plan obvious while making her more sympathetic. Then it would have been more of a suspenseful show about her not getting revealed before exacting her revenge. Either one would have been better than what we got.

[@Jiub_SN]

An alternative: scrap the show and make it entirely about fucking obi-wan kenobi. Like no one wanted or expected some multiworld gripping adventure, this was the perfect Star Wars centered around obi-wan just living life and would've been the closest thing to a look into the normal life of people in the Star Wars universe. Could've just had him do episodic adventures helping some farmers fight off tusken raiders or stealing back and old lady's seeing eye droid from some Jawas or literally anything pertaining to the shitload we know about tattooing. Pod racing, the hutts, maybe some imperial shit, maybe some prequel flavor with watto recognizing him and making it an episode about him trying to convince watto not to say anything or something. Have the whole him being guilty effecting his use of the force, give us some flashbacks relevant to the episodes maybe, I dunno. Anything would've been better and less destructive then this. Boba Fett and this show should've switched settings

[@zorofeu9266]

As far as I remember kenobi focused mainly on a lightsaber style to reflect blaster shots and was known for a oretty inpenetrable defense, so it strikes even more odd for him to reflect it towards the window

[@Heartshapedbox81]

As well as for the window of an underwater station to have non Blaster proof glass, in addition to having windows at all.

[@MozambiqueEnjoyer6097]

And its even reinforced in Battlefront II as its one of his main abilities. Literally deflects every incoming attack.

[@jmurray1110]

Focused is underplaying it He was the exclusive master of form 3 soresu his defence was unrivalled and his patients unwavering

[@JC-oq5ex]

That entire window cracking scene is null and void when you remember they don't use glass; they have transparent steel.

[@theperiidot]

Lmao yeah I have so many questions about transparisteel

[@conmacmara2743]

That’s because DEI writers have ‘their truth,’ and cant be bothered with facts.

[@zero1zerolast393]

Wait, is that EU canon or the failure canon?

[@xs1358]

@@conmacmara2743what?? what does steel windows have to do with your racism?

[@3I415926535]

The "It's all obi-wan's fault" bit killed me, thanks

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep. 😂😂😂

[@wastelanderone]

He's just following the age-old tradition of everything terrible being the Jedis fault is all lmao

[@alfalldoot6715]

​@@wastelanderoneThose goddamn Jedi! Creating a prosperous republic that lasted for 10,000 years!

[@danielallen4450]

​@@alfalldoot6715Nope. They made an alliance with the already existing republic, and helped prevent the Sith from taking over several times. Plenty of times they avoided aiding in wars the Sith weren't involved in however.

[@danielallen4450]

Well, it is all his fault. Rather than take the time out of his day to put his rabid dog out of its mercy, he expected Luke to pull the equivalent of "No mama! He was my dog! I'll do it!". Jedi compassion indeed. 😂 Had Skywalker not had the TINIEST amount possible of morality when concerning his own son ONLY, the entire GALAXY was done, and it's Kenobi's fault.

[@senorspock309]

I just realized… if reva was planning on them escaping so she could track them…. Why was she holding an execution party in the hangar??? Was she just hoping someone would come in and save them??? What if no one showed up??? Would she just have said “uhhh actually nvm, everyone back to your stations, you three back to your cage”???

[@thatoneguy8146]

Good point

[@twomur_]

i have to keep telling myself “this isn’t canon, this isn’t canon, this isn’t canon”

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Canon*

[@twomur_]

@@ProjectRedfoot fixed

[@rm0379]

​@@twomur_ canon*

[@twomur_]

@@rm0379 fixed 💀

[@SpFlash1523]

Dave Filoni: "What is canon anyways?"

[@baxland2539]

2:15:35 Bold of you to assume she wouldnt survive a headshot like it's nothing at this point

[@yagamifire7861]

Its ok. She has 2 brains or something

[@DOOM_guyEditz433]

Reva has super durability

[@CFijWPG]

The thing that really gets me about this show repeating the Ahsoka/Vader scene from Rebels, is that the emotional impact of the original scene is that Ahsoka didn't know Anakin was Vader (or at least, suspected it, but refused to believe it) until she saw his face under his helmet, and then upon realizing she's fighting Anakin, she tries desperately to appeal to the Anakin she knew, but he's gone. In this scene, Obi-Wan already knows Anakin is Vader, and that he's beyond reasoning with, but just loses his nerve upon seeing his face.

[@bbtank3000]

This is what separates those with brains who have high standards vs those who are easily impressed and don’t question anything.

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍👍. Nailed it

[@wingedhussar8552]

It genuinely pains me that Star Wars is now made for “fans” who say that the franchise was always stupid instead of the people who genuinely love stars wars enough to expect the bare minimum of effort.

[@swagwolfgang]

When reva asked obi wan where he was the first thing i thought of was “falling off a fucking cliff after killing a robot”

[@Сайтамен]

Cyborg

[@Jiub_SN]

Grievous isn't a robot, he's a pure red blooded meatbag like you or me

[@onemoreminute0543]

The Mustafar duel: Anakin and Obi go at it against each other with all of their skill and intensity, and the environment of the duel constantly changes. From the open landing platform, to the tight corridors and space of the control room, to the precarious balancing on the pipes, to having to avoid the lava that threatens to swallow them whole as they leap from platform to platform. The environment (which also symbolizes Anakins emotional hatred and hellish descent) allows for the dynamics and proxemity to change between the duelists, so that it's never the same and they have to adapt, sometimes going fast, sometimes going slow. The cinematography perfectly frames the two combatants amidst their environment and how it affects them. The Kenobi show duel: Just has basic fighting in pitch darkness with some stones behind, alongside an annoying shaky cam. That's all it is.

[@SpFlash1523]

A female sword enthusiast KZbin dared to say that Vader vs Obi-Wan duel in the show was better than Anakin vs Obi-Wan in ROTS.

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@SpFlash1523 🤯😂

[@Imperialstorm03]

1:21:44, I wish you talked a bit more about how ludicrously convenient this scene was. The fact that Stormtroopers weren't in proper formation doesn't even begin to describe how awful this skirmish was. Not a SINGLE rebel was shot in that entire fight except for, what I see from rewatching, Tala. Not even this bulky loader droid who should have been getting bolts weaved in its direction left and right. There's so many ways to make the Empire look outmatched without making them look incompetent but the latter is exactly what they choose to do all the time, it's ridiculous. All in all, your points seemed to cover everything else pretty well. - AStormtrooper3

[@epicfail3167]

2:03:53 To be fair, "Hello there" is originally a reference to Obi-Wan's first spoken line in Episode 4

[@hououinkyouma3864]

I will NEVER understand the "you should be grateful" argument. WTF am I supposed to be grateful for? They weren't doing this out of goodwill. They didn't do this to make the fans happy, they did it because they knew it will be a VERY EASY AND CHEAP way to make profit. They didn't put it out for free. They didn't do this out of kindness, we have to pay for this garbage, so why should we be grateful? Just what the hell happened to common sense? This world is so far gone with all this INSANITY.

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

And they still raise the price and call people who are fans Nazi. It still hasn't got any better we got new trash like The Acolyte. I would be more grateful if Disney send cow shit to my house than what ever is this shit they are doing right now.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

How does Reva know Anakin and Vader are the same person? She never heard the name Vader.

[@chasehedges6775]

LAZY WRITING!

[@SheevTalks]

She could probably have assumed that the same Jedi who was cutting down Jedi and killed all her friends might be the same as the Empire’s new mystery enforcer, but I suppose we don’t know for sure

[@Captianmex1C0]

Maybe she heard troopers calling him lord vader during the attack as she was escaping or whatever

[@loganmapes2307]

the defense for the trench coat scene is they are too busy looking everywhere for the escaped prisoner they didnt notice... and yes im kidding its a joke

[@nerd_1356]

No joke died of laughter at around 36:40 you seemed like you had genuine hatred there

[@eugger3011]

I literally died as well. RIP

[@Heartshapedbox81]

Pretty sure he was using his aggressive feelings, I myself lost it at the "take your hand off me" god that character just like the script is atrocious.

[@amipadme3985]

Interesting, I never thought Yoda struggling in AOTC contradicted TESB (or anything in the OT)…Yoda doesn’t easily or quickly lift the X-wing out of the swamp - his big display of power to teach Luke the lesson is done very deliberately, slowly, and steadily with clearly a good amount of focus. And Yoda’s pretty powerful among Jedi and has trained for a long time. ;) That Yoda can do something similar in an emergency and instant situation in AOTC to me was always another impressive display of his ability to use the Force. Rey just kind of doing similar or more impressive things - like grabbing a engine-propelled ship - casually and with little training…or established characters like Vader and Obi-Wan using these big powers once or twice and then never again, breaks the “rules” way more than anything in the prequels, IMO…

[@thelastbrickbender2139]

1:05:00 you know it’s almost like they could’ve used Lola being destroyed as an opportunity to show Leia’s technical skill by having Leia repair her herself, instead Obi Wan

[@FeatherRanching]

Your moments of rage are really easy to empathize with. It's exactly how I feel about all of this. Ultimately, it's impossible to get media that's smarter than the people making it, and the stupidity that prevails at every level of their production is genuinely shocking.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Please point out the "stupidity" also please point to what films or tv show you've done?? I'll wait lolol

[@FeatherRanching]

@darkthorpocomicknight7891 wait, are replying to my comment without having watched the video? I can provide many examples of stupid, off the top of my head, but this video does a fine job of it already. Give me an example of their smart writing. I, too, shall wait. I won't ask for your film credentials, because I cannot imagine a more worthless metric. It would be the same as asking for the name of the monkey jumping on your typewriter.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@FeatherRanching I watched the video VERY VERY awful

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@bruhmanofyear2647 Right - explains why Lucas ... went to film school face palm

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@bruhmanofyear2647 George LUCAS google him he's relevant I think to this discussion

[@skyslasher2297]

1:27:53 I call this phenomenon The Flash Paradox where a characters full power is so ridiculously over the top that reasonably they should never lose get caught off guard or have anyone escape them ever but still anyways its mainly a factor of rule of cool we want our characters to have impressive feats. Legends Vader had similar feats eviserating arms forcing ships to collide with each other etc it comes with an action series and if its written well its easy to ignore. If your wondering Flash is the character I think is the easiest example of this kind of rule of cool writing because his speed feats are really awesome but it makes the idea of losing to some dickhead with boomerangs ridiculous.

[@sgtboom7]

36:40 - 36:55 And just like that, I'm convinced Sheev can read minds from across the internet.

[@Vernafveik]

Whilst it’s horrible writing, I find the idea of Palpatine purposefully giving Darth Vader terrible equipment to annoy him hilarious.

[@vaggos2003]

Actually, what you just said is canon if you look in expanded material. Vader hates himself and Palpatine wanted to constantly remind that to him, both so that he wouldn't get any funny ideas of overthrowing him and to ensure that his hatred would keep him as a powerful and competent enforcer. Vader's suit was an in-universe outdated model since day 1, it would start beeping at random just to annoy him, the suit's breathing system would occassionally malfunction, every now and then the suit would just shut down entirely, sometimes for hours, forcing Vader to move himself with the Force. It's actually kind of humorous to imagine Vader's suit, one of the most recognisable and iconic character designs in all of storytelling, is an outdated barely functional model that is less advanced than the average trooper suit.

[@nothingman7163]

Truthfully, the biggest hinderance to this show isn't even the writing (which can be piss poor sometimes) its the directing and editing choices. SO MUCH of what is terrible about this show could have easily been fixed by reshoots, changing in editing, and having a director / actors who actually give a crap. Ewan and Hayden are absolutely ELITE compared to the trash of the current gen of star wars "actors". Their lowest points put to shame the high points of other characters and choreography.

[@aurorauplinks]

The reason the controls are in the vent are several reasons, plot convenience for leia to have a reason to do it and not anyone else. but also because they are used to star trek where the jeffries tubes always have all the engineering control points in them, even though their not on a star ship or in the trek unvierse :D However simply put, a human star port wouldnt put the engineering controls in a room a engineer couldn't access. :s

[@matthewchi5292]

This was absolutely worth the wait. Amazing work Sheev!

[@Bannschwert]

I want to add several points to The Trenchcoat Scene: The trenchcoat itself is a massvie problem to me, as there is not a single other person on the whole base wearing any kind of distinct clothing deviating from the standard uniforms, even less so a trenchcoat. This means Tala found the single only trenchcoat in the whole base being held by a person she just killed (I think?). If they had actually cared to show Imperials wearing these when guarding the open air places to protect themselves from the water of this water-moon, it'd been much better. Next I really dislike the design. The coat is close in enough in color to the uniforms, but it's not the same color. It also doesn't really fit to the style of uniforms, I think, though we never see both of them together, so it's hard to tell. But lastly, the trenchcoat doesn't have any form of markings or identification that a uniform or part of a uniform usually would have. There's no Empire logo, no rank signs (that you would need to have on the coat, as your normal rank signs are hidden under the coat. So it's just a trenchcoat that they bought somewhere, that's extremely baggy so Leia fits under it and they didn't even bother to have the costume designers modify it even slightly so it looks like it's part of an Imperial uniform, let alone establish these trenchcoats as being "normal" on this base. And then we come to no one noticing it. Again, the Leia-bulb is plain bullshit, but let's have that pass. Obi-Wan is also the only single person on the whole damn base that has a beard and open, longer hair. The Imperium obviously has a dresscode (and only hires humans outside of special positions like the Inquisitors) and everyone on base follows that. Except that single dude there. He sticks out so much, it's laughable, even when accepting the trenchcoat hiding Leia away. So yeah... as part of costume design, this trenchcoat is hideous. And I never heard these points be talked about before, so here you go.

[@Bannschwert]

And regarding costume design: If the shoulder parts of the Grand Inquisitor's armour would have been higher and straighter, I'm pretty sure he would have looked more intimidating. This way he mostly looks like his arms are slouching and he's permanently depressed. The same goes for the Fifth Brother: Just make his helmet more angular like in The Clone Wars, makes him look less like a rice farmer... Reeva is fine. But their lightsaber magnets on the back... those are just really stupid.

[@NarcissistAU]

Props, I appreciate helping bring my subconscious rejection into conscious understanding. Scratching these mental itches has become a running battle since TFA.

[@Captianmex1C0]

Yeah the trench coat looked so baggy and brown, if you had shown me the outfit on its own I would've thought it was some random rebel. Not an imperial officer

[@carolusrex5213]

Honestly I wish the show was cut between Vader and Obi-Wan. Half the show being Obi-Wan dealing with his PTSD after the events of the prequels, with flashbacks to missions he had with Anakin and some of the other Jedi showing how much he loved that part of his life. Then the other half can be Vader who even after a decade is still searching for Obi-Wan, we watch him massacre entire towns and torture any Jedi he finds just in hopes he finds Obi-Wan. With that we can also see the inquistors and how Vader has a hand in training them and even corrupting them tk the dark side

[@Super_Ammo]

"So many holes in the plot it looks like Wandas brother..." Subscribed lmao

[@whatthefilmwtf7171]

This guy is as good as mauler and that's a rarity so we need more like him

[@Trilaan]

There are SO many cases in this series where things cease to exist when they aren't on screen, that is exactly what's happening. That's how Joby Harold's storytelling works(or, rather, doesn't work).

[@lorewalkermaohao4602]

49:20 I am SOO happy someone else looked at the map. Disney doesn't understand how Hyperspace works. It's not instant travel across the galaxy. In fact, every time it's shown in the original and prequel trilogy, time passes with usually several scenes, with passage of time shown, before someone exits hyperspace. In Kenobi, people just teleport anywhere when it should take hours, even days, to travel.

[@DogmaBeoulve]

The rock scene with Vader... makes me wonder if the writers and director for this show have, legitimately, never touched or picked up a rock in their life... nevermind something else that's also just heavy and hard. The things that even gravel and pebbles would do to you if flung at you in a storm like that. Holy cats.

[@idrissb9742]

After watching part 1, and the first part until 37:18 of this video, when you say “this episode isnt the worst one” I absolutely lost it. Holy fuck IT GETS WORSE?!?!?

[@purplehaze2358]

That random stormtrooper being stunned for like, 5 seconds by a slap reminded me of that one cobra that got slapped when it was threatening a snake charmer.

[@namecomingsoon9517]

I hated them teasing Leia being a rebel in this. I always saw it as before A New Hope she was more a diplomatic rebel with no fighting experience but still helping through the system and only when she fully joins the rebellion is when she gets her training in to learn to fight

[@FilipeLeviSilva]

Wow. This show really is just One Great Contrivance.

[@portalgaming8057]

Yes, but I've seen bigger examples. Portal 2 is the biggest example of this that I've ever seen.

[@PRIDLEY229]

I've watched your two videos on the Obi-Wan tv show so many times and they are by far my favorite videos on your channel. Ranting aside, I just realized that when you mentioned Vader going to Mustafar after fighting Kenobi on Jabiim to heal in his Bacta Tank, I realized that he probably has a Bacta Tank on The Devastator. He also most likely spends most of his time off of Mustafar, so it makes logical sense that he SHOULD have one on The Devastator. The fact that I have to fix a plot hole with logical reasoning is ridiculous. I've only seen Kenobi once and for good reason.

[@sheepishly6942]

These video titles are amazing

[@jpanduezadlf]

Reva has three stomachs and a pocket ship... You must read the canon books. Edit: She also knew from the archives that Anakin had a half brother in Tatooine called Owen.

[@jimihendrix23456]

They're stepbrothers, since their parents got married. Half-brothers share a parent.

[@jpanduezadlf]

@@jimihendrix23456 yeah, that's true... But we must blame the archives

[@No_complaints.__]

@@jpanduezadlfthe archives were just wrong don’t worry

[@Heartshapedbox81]

In addition she also has the script, that or we forgot to mention she has really clear premonitions.

[@justafan9399]

@@No_complaints.__ Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.

[@thequietman95]

It’s a comparatively small quibble, but the stormtroopers in A New Hope acted like modern soldiers with semi-automatic small arms. In this, they got in kind of a loose 1800s skirmish order standing upright and advanced. All we needed was fixed bayonets and Richard Sharpe.

[@alekssavic1154]

To be fair, the battle scenes in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith have always looked a lot more like Napoleonic than modern warfare to me, so I guess technically there's precedent for that?

[@joshuaslawson9125]

​@@alekssavic1154for the Geonosis battle in the arena it was more modern with the LAATs acting as helicopters and the troopers getting into a squad formation, then for the full on battle with the millions of clones against the millions of droids it was more like putting two Soviet Mass charges against one another.

[@ProudPapaJD]

Imagine having the rights to these characters and having all the original actors on board. You can make any show and tell any story you choose within universe and flesh out a time period never before seen between major film events. And this is what you come up with. It just hurts the heart. Why bother with this stuff. And does it actually even make money? How many people subscribed just for this that weren’t already subscribed?

[@Garek_George]

👉🏽👉🏽👉🏽Just noticed something upon rewatch of this video: When Obi lets go of the broken window, ALL of the windows immediately break and water rushes in through all of them. 🤔

[@northwestpassage6234]

The "final" fight between Obi-Wan™ and Darth Vader® looks and feels like when I was 7 and forced my sister to play lightsabers®(you know the old plastic ones that telescoped out with a flashlight that sometimes made noises?) with me but she either didn't understand the point or didn't want to hurt me so instead of trying to hit me, making me dodge or block she just swung for my lightsaber, and I would get mad and annoyed with her until I just held my lightsaber out leaving myself wide open and she hit my blade 3 times in a row and I quit. That is what their 25 million dollar budget and presumably professional fight choreographers with two actors with a long history of dueling achieved.

[@dark_fire_ice]

How much better would it have been if, Obi kept hearing Gin's line "Train the boy" every time Obi Wan was calm or alone

[@thelivingshtpost]

This review was cathartic. Thank you.

[@clarity2199]

2:05:00: I believe when people are saying Obi Wan shouldn't be able to lift the boulders cuz Yoda had issues, they're not talking about because of size. The fans understand that Yoda was far more powerful in the force than Obi Wan was.....that's why they're saying it. Though I hate talking about medichlorions, they had mentioned Yoda had the strongest count, while Obi Wan was known to be the weakest. His determination made him one of the best Jedi fighters, but that doesn't mean he strengthened his medichlorion count up to lifting mass boulders. That's what the argument is.

[@hk1371]

Plus, it just doesn't fit Obi-Wan as a character to do that. As you said, he was always determined and mostly used his saber for defense. Him doing that stunt robs him of being Obi-Wan and makes him like a SWTOR Jedi character.

[@murrfox]

God this was an absolutely cathartic 4 hours. I've watched a lot of these and you still found points the others missed lol Well, I just found your channel and realized you're focusing on current content so ... onto the Ahsoka videos with me!

[@CaptainSweatpants90]

Funny enough, the Patterson cut (essentially a fanmade edit that comprises this series into a 2 hour movie) fixes a LOT of the issues you brought up in your reviews. Obviously there are still a lot of issues with it, but it's quite surprising how many bad things about this series can be fixed by simply leaving a good chunk of it out. Of course it makes the "the viewer needs to fill in the blanks" problem even bigger, but I'm somewhat willing to accept that in a series about space wizards with glowstick weapons that can cut through metal. It's legitimately somewhat watchable, which is more than can be said about the series itself. EDIT: Yup, had I waited another 5 minutes before posting this comment, I would have realized you addressed this in the very end of the video. Cool, our opinions align even more than I thought they did.

[@matthewcummings5067]

Please don't with the "space wizards with glowstick weapons that can cut through metal" stuff. Don't pretend you don't know what suspension of disbelief is - all fiction relies on it and all humans without severe brain damage are capable of it. No narrative work, no matter how absurd or mundane its premise, is allowed to throw story-telling principles out the window. Even comedies (as an example) need a baseline of expectation from which to surprise the audience.

[@CaptainSweatpants90]

@@matthewcummings5067 absolutely didn't mean that the plot holes don't matter - they absolutely still do. That's why I didn't say that the Patterson cut was "the best movie I ever watched". It made a borderline unwatchable show into a kinda watchable movie with still a lot of inconsistencies.

[@matthewcummings5067]

@@CaptainSweatpants90 I'm sorry if my comment came across as hostile or accusatory. I appreciate your clarification. I'm just very jaded from seeing insufferable morons, sometimes with large platforms, push this notion that because Star Wars is about "space magic" we shouldn't critically think about anything in any media relating to it. Besides being a jaw-droppingly stupid thing to say for reasons I pointed out previously, it's actively counterproductive to any discussion about any fictional work because there are now people who think it's okay to expect others to turn off their brains if the discussion is about something fictional or fantastical. These same people also often use arguments like "but it's just a show for kids" as though our children don't deserve just as good storytelling as adults do. In fact, kids often subconsciously collect meaning from stories, even if they don't immediately understand what they're seeing. They can watch that media several times as they grow up and potentially learn new things each time. If you write meaningless crap for kids, don't be surprised when that generation ends up having a poor understanding of the world and their place in it. Sorry, didn't mean to dump all that. My point is, I'd advise against using the terms of stupid people. I don't know you but I think it's likely you're above that.

[@CaptainSweatpants90]

@@matthewcummings5067 You're good mate, no offense taken. I actually fully agree with you, and think my choice of words wasn't brilliant (8 months hind sight kicking in!). Absolutely agree that proper story telling and world building is as important, if not more so, in fictional universes and especially children's entertainment.

[@Ralkir]

Just saw the first part yesterday. Figured I’d have to wait. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!

[@loganmapes2307]

the only reason reeva should have survived is the same as how maul survives. she uses her hate, and since the writers dont want the good guy to do a bad thing and kill her, then once she decideds to let go of her hate and turn to the light side she should have sucomed to her wound and died. this solves the whole, an inquister knows who luke is and kinda sorta gives her a redemption arc

[@theelder4797]

You're misunderstanding modern "writers" - they didn't kill Reeeeeva because they're good guys, the good guys kill bad guys all day and night in Star Wars, they didn't kill her because she's a black whamens, and they really thought this was such an amazing piece of art that everyone would DEMAND she comes back for season 2, or get a series of her own.

[@loganmapes2307]

@@theelder4797 uh what the fuck did you just say. coherent english sentences here mate. Uh noone fucking cares if she black or a woman... her story just sucks because it makes not logical sense. Yeah sure fine i get it, that actor got cast in that role most likely for diversity reasons... but i would have still liked the character regardless of who the actor is if her story made sense. and whilst i dont agree with a lot of her motives, the best ending would have been the one i described above. That would have taken a horrendous story and arc and turned it into just a sub par story and arc and no one would be as outraged over her as they are. Yeah we would still complain a bit that shes a marry sue, but at least he story would come full circle. I get it, if she dies they cant make another show about her, but they cant make another show about her now anyway because they know how much everyone hates her.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Maul surviving was retarded too.

[@Сайтамен]

Maul surviving was awful writing too. No amount of hate will stop your bleeding and your organs falling out of you.

[@nathannix3217]

@@СайтаменThe premise of Star Wars itself isn’t realistic

[@MetaFanWing]

I’d also like to mention that Obi-Wan pushed the cracks across multiple unconnected windows.

[@RoachChaddjr]

So good to see you called out the finale battle, at best I thought it was mid and I thought I was the crazy one to not feel anything but wanting more from it.

[@alexworld1992]

I'd like to offer a rather large and sincere compliment to the show as I believe it does a fantastic job in making it very difficult for any production company to make a parody version given the already laughable and comically nuanced choices.

[@friccle_]

I find it funny how a video game shows a jedi who has to regain their lost power while being hunted down by an inquisitor better than this show

[@blitzium709]

I remember before watching being exited to see fort inquisitorius again only to later be like wtf happened to it

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

43:53 Another thing that is f***ing depressing about these newer Star Wars shows for me is that they do nothing to change the depth/pitch of the older characters' voices (Qui Gon or Vader).😔 I get that they may want us to marvel at the real them and that they've aged, and or maybe it's for nostalgia, but it's depressing that they don't have the same power. Obviously there is nothing wrong with getting older, but adult Qui Gon in Tales of the Jedi, for example, sounds like he has a cold.😔 Idk if you'v seen the Little Platoons video on nostalgia but he fleshes out exactly why it's so sad

[@cydude5856]

I get that the show writers thought it was impressive to not pay attention to the source material, but they actively shot themselves in the foot because five years before Obi-wan went to Nur, Cal Kestis and Cere Junda invaded and nearly destroyed the fortress. Cal's infiltration was nearly impossible to pull off anyways, so why would the empire just lose their security after all that? The Empire is not stupid. Can't say the same about the writers though.

[@ayuvir]

My god, thank you for asking the perpetually online people if they had a job in their lives ever. I've been in so many arguments on Reddit where I just wonder if the people I'm talking with are functioning human beings with a life. People that demand others be fired for a simple misstep, assume there's no contingency or quality control and literally don't believe that professionals can make mistakes.