The Kidnapping of Sebastian Rogers | Part III: The Method of Madness

[@TheLoreLodge]

Hey everyone, I wanted to address something some of you have pointed out. It appears that we made an editing error around 44:40 into the video, which resulted in an unintentional misrepresentation of information. In the script and the original recording, I said studies show that significant percentage of CSA victims go on to become offenders themselves. The number is around 35%. We did not intend to imply that child victims *will* offend.

[@DamePiglet]

Just FYI: 20 years in the military doesn't mean a whole lot if he got into lots of low-level trouble. He might've gotten passed over for rank (and raises) often. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case, tbh.

[@Jacklyn-zc8dc]

Beautiful dog ❤

[@Rosa-kd2cl]

Lol at that intro

[@GooseAdvocate]

@@TheLoreLodge thank you so much for correcting this

[@candicesheryn]

I Love your coverage and in depth review of Sebastian’s case! please keep up the awesome work!!! From NC with love , Candy

[@aaronblank2318]

I mean, innocent until proven guilty, but parents lying multiple times when their child is missing SCREAMS that the parents are involved. I can't think of another reason why they would lie about anything in this case.

[@valtoton2982]

The truth does not change! Katie's story changed every single time she told it! 😡😡😡

[@pamelasmith6221]

Exactly. They can’t even behave like adults and get their priorities together so how can they raise children?

[@sodiloquacious911]

Yeah for sure idk if people got beat when they did something wrong or not but I feel like that’s all of America so idk why he felt the need to lie about “beating” his kid unless it was like harsh abuse or something idk just my opinion

[@BigMac8008]

Innocent until proven guilty is simply an american societal construct. It doesn't actually mean anything. When evidence is shown against you, objectively, you are now assumed guilty and the burden of proof of innocence falls upon you.

[@nicwelch]

@@sodiloquacious911Most people think it’s ok to hit children. I’m not sure why that is.

[@marypatterson5797]

A family member is not supposed to be in the room with a CPS worker interviewing a child.

[@joyful_tanya]

Exactly. All children and adults are supposed to be interviewed separately and alone.

[@megangleesonxoxo]

he did say she took him out back but in that case, how would he have known the conversation that transpired

[@heavensdevil6943]

Just giving the benefit of the doubt here, much as i don't want to, children with ADHD and autism are very rarely taken seriously, most notably by the people who should be taking them most seriously, it's entirely possible that the CPS officer saw Sebastian, especially if this was a recurring thing with no actual results to it, rolled her eyes, and threw procedure out the window. It should also be noted that CPS officers are not immune to being manipulated

[@marypatterson5797]

IMO, all claims should be taken seriously. Sad but true, some of them don’t believe children with special needs. But CP contradicted what he said in another interview. He said CPS had only been called once in Tennessee, how did they know each other?

[@paulawilson2951]

Unfortunately, they are often present or within earshot. It is incredibly wrong

[@lady_acid]

I find it really unsettling the way Chris keeps saying "The mother". Not "Katie", not "my wife", not "Sebastian's mother". It's weirdly depersonalising.

[@AnnePeterson-w3w]

Agreed! He doesn’t see these women as human, only a means to benefit personally.

[@SpringRain23]

Yes. That was creepy. Imo.

[@stevep7346]

"On the advice of council, I will no longer be calling her "that bitch Katie.""

[@AT-vp8qw]

It's not even just creepy or unsettling. It's a massive red flag. We know m*rderers will use depersonalizing language to distance themselves from what they done. I'm not accusing Chris of anything, but it is definitely something to pay very close attention to.

[@amandab262]

Sounds about right for a narcissist.

[@hareleahcoinn4495]

I was kidnapped by family! They took me four states over and hid me with family friends who wouldn’t tell anyone where I was and they were JUST removed enough that no one would call or visit them. So I was missing for a while and the parent who kidnapped me hid it from everyone and took me via train. More common than you’d think. There was a custody battle for me and someone decided to kidnap me.

[@KinkyAds]

Wow glad you made it out

[@sharp3727]

I’m so sorry you went through this. My granddaughter was taken by her mom who was being sentenced to prison and had a warrant for her arrest. They hid in campgrounds and motels from Northern California to central Oregon. I spent three months, three weeks and two days on the road until I found her. It’s the most terrifying situation a family can go through. I’m grateful you’re okay.

[@sarah69420]

My father kidnapped my sister and I. Took us to visit his family from FL to NY. Decided to not return for over three months. My mom did everything she could to get us back. Cops wouldn't do anything. She cried everyday. I still have the stuffed animal she gave me when she got us back. He lost all chance of custody and ran away to CA to grow weed.

[@misskate3815]

@@sharp3727jeez, you’re a bad ass grandparent. Nice going.

[@Johnny-v5p]

@@hareleahcoinn4495 well at least you know that your parents really loved you jk 😂 sry too soon? I hope not.

[@fruitsnac9088]

The way nina was treated after giving birth to Chris's daughter and all the running,driving and stress they put her through is absolulty disgusting. There is something wrong with Chris's family

[@EvonyBuffy]

I'm a paralegal, Seth's responses to the TRO are exactly how my office answers any allegations like that, whether admitted or denied.

[@TheLoreLodge]

God I love when I guess something correctly

[@aliciac3312]

I'm a paralegal also and yep. Standard language​@@TheLoreLodge

[@TheAce5399]

I'm a paralegal student and can also corroborate that these are pretty standard language I have been studying.

[@Aryasvitkona]

I'm not a paralegal but I'm obsessed with law stuff and follow a couple lawyers on youtube, and also regularly interact with lawyers due to my parents (They're clients, it's hell) This is true internationally. In almost, if not all, western (read: english majority) countries. It is simply a "I did not do this, this is my affirmation. Even if this WAS something I did, it would still be improper" This isn't even just TRO/DVO's, it's true for literally any time ANY allegation gets made that fits both those criteria, because making either claim independently may fail in the eyes of a judge, so you make both claims as even if one falls through the other may hold up.

[@nickb1762]

I watched better call saul and yeah

[@hideflen]

Chris’ behavior with Nina and trying to take Faith away is positively terrifying.

[@kathyploof1216]

I think Katie is in danger. Sounds like the bowersocks/proudfoots have connections in LE. If Katie has an accident there is no one left to tell the truth, the family she married into has some real dangerous tendencies. Katie is damaged with her mom being RSO. Chris is a done deal, rotten to the core! Watch your back Katie, you could be next.

[@pamelasmith6221]

It’s unbelievable if true. The most immature behavior ever. All the drama and violence is just too much.

[@kish8950]

Not trying to invalidate the fact that you find this unbelievable but unfortunately I know a divorce attorney and the stories he's shared, my god. I've also seen some true crime with similar stories. It's so unfortunate that humans can be so cruel and divisive​@@pamelasmith6221

[@maryrodgers7898]

Told me all i needed to know about CP and KP because she helped in harrassing Nina and her children.

[@DebbieMustard]

*It IS.* But why?? Could he even be all that close with his daughter? What does Faith want?? It feels like a custody battle to spite the girls mother.

[@ellenkelley6173]

The teacher who witnessed Seth hitting Sebastian in the head would have been REQUIRED by law to report the incident or lose her license. Just like a doctor would. This makes No Sense.

[@missmay713]

Absolutely, they're mandatory reporters. And any report that teacher made would be documented and accessible to courts/police.

[@liamlockheartart7560]

Sadly being a mandated reporter doesn't mean much. I begged and pleaded with teachers not to send me home because I was being abused and they all just laughed at me and said I was making it up. Lots of people see signs of abuse and just decide that the kid must have deserved it.

[@alexandralamberton5615]

​@liamlockheartart7560 even in cases where the teachers aren't monsters they may avoid reporting based on the idea that reporting may just make the abuse worse if CPS investigates and decides nothings wrong

[@TheMichelex20]

I’m a social worker and thus a mandated reporter. And yes that teacher would be a mandated reporter.

[@ingridn0g]

​​@@liamlockheartart7560I'm so angry your teachers were not only dismissive, but also negligent towards you! I wonder if, in Sebastian's case, things would be different because the teacher would have witnessed the aggression. I don't know much about the law there and I'm not even from the US, but I think that being an eye witness to aggression would be more compelling (in terms of fearing punishment) than when a child tells the teacher about being abused. Of course, for real, empathetic, ethic, normal human beings, they should report any abuse cases, and would have never treated you like they did.

[@octo3630]

I live about 30 mins from Hendersonville and everybody here believes the step dad knows something or did something to him, your conclusion is definitely not the first like it but it is the most supported I’ve seen. Great work everyone wants this kid found and you’re helping with that

[@corvigay]

as an autistic adult, my heart just weeps for this little boy. please, please, please keep us updated as the case progresses. he feels like a little brother to me too. protect autistic children.

[@millierae8432]

from one autistic adult to another: 🫂

[@corvigay]

@@millierae8432 🫂

[@MetalheadRazorblade]

@@millierae8432 yeah me too🫂

[@chefboyardee9455]

How the hell did this guy get 5 different women to marry him

[@nian60]

Because most men don't want to get married, and most women want to get married. Hence there is a shortage of men for marriage = any man who wants to marry can find women.

[@ntolman]

Psychopaths are often superficially charming.

[@wendychavez5348]

Not necessarily true, ​@nian60 , though it's a good theory. I have a bad history of men wanting to marry me--and I have never especially wanted it. The one time I did get married was a train wreck, and i swore that never again would I do that to someone I actually like. My current partner has been married twice before and is wary of doing it again, though both of us have seriously considered the possibility. Who knows what the future might bring, though rushing into marriage is not a good strategy, as all of Chris' ex-wives would probably agree now.

[@brutusthebear9050]

Easy, he is a man in uniform and had no standards. I mean, I feel bad for Nina, but let's be real, if either of them had standards and self respect they wouldn't be married after only a few dates.

[@RitaCollett]

Because they think he's go money

[@missmay713]

Obviously I wasn't there but I find it...peculiar that Katie filed for a protective order when her uninjured son claimed Seth hit him (without witnessing anything) but seems completely unbothered when Chris has publicly admitted to beating her son with a belt while she sat right next to him.

[@briannam3140]

that is a good point

[@Visshaldar]

most people who think hitting is an acceptable way to disicpline a child dont think of get hit with a belt on the butt as a beating. it's a "spanking" and in their minds vastly different than punching or slapping a kid. i disagree but in all 50 states the law allows corporal at least to sopme extent.

[@QwoRE112]

@@Visshaldarthere’s a difference between corporal punishment and just straight up abuse. If they misbehave than an actual slap on the wrist or a spanking without a belt would be acceptable but hitting a child on they head or repeatedly “spanking” them with a belt regardless of the offense they committed is just straight up abuse

[@Savannahelizabethccr]

​@QwoRE112 Not in the eyes of the law. In my state you can hit a child with an object and it's not abuse unless it leaves bruising or marks that last long enough to get them seen by a Dr. The reason for why they got hit doesn't matter, and they always believe the parent over the child. AND even if there is bruising, unless they're worried the parent will literally kill the child in the next 24 hrs, CPS will just give the abusive parent resources to "stop calls like this".

[@Mike-es2yg]

​@@Visshaldar hitting a 15 year old with a belt outside of their clothes is NOT "abuse". Stop it.

[@Posithope]

Chris didn't beat HIS SON, he beat SETH'S SON! Great video, ty.

[@Mike-es2yg]

No evidence he "beat" him. Hitting a 15 year old with a belt on the outside of their clothes is NOT a beating. Sebastian may not have been the perfect kid like everyone is assuming, and Chris had a right to discipline him (within reason).

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

​@Mike-es2yg Frankly, that's bull. Anything more than a spanking is abuse. You in under any circumstances *_DO NOT_* use a belt on someone, especially a child.

[@Posithope]

@Mike-es2yg Beating an autistic kid to boot. You supporting that makes you a fkn weirdo.

[@nimoph]

@@Mike-es2ygIdk what to say other than i hate you and your dogshit opinion. That IS abuse no matter how you want to slice it.

[@agapelove2853]

@@Mike-es2yg OHHHHHH😡 WAS YOU THERE? Laying belt too any child, especially a SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD IS ABUSE AND FURTHER MORE … THERE IS MORE THAN CPS REPORT AND VISIT ON CHRISTOPHER PROUDLIAR ABUSING SEBASTIAN ROGERS

[@Merlin_Ambrosius_1100]

This hurts so bad to hear. My little brother is low functioning autistic and my step-dad was extremely abusive. I got lucky and a threat of legal action got him to genuinely fix his actions, he’s still an asshole but not abusive anymore It scares me hearing me about this cause it could’ve been my little brother or me when i was a kid. I still hold out hope he’s alive and okay JUSTICE FOR SEBASTIAN

[@leotafaulkner8385]

My theory, even though I hate to say it, is that Sebastian is not alive anymore. Both his mother and stepfather have changed their story so many times that its suspicious and only focuses on their innocence rather than the fact that their 15-year-old son is out there missing. And the way you presented the stepfathers family they wouldn't hesitate to hide critical evidence. I think they need to look into the rest of the family (if not done so already) and revisit that construction site or the sites his stepfather was working at.

[@ghostb.c.4501]

I live in Hendersonville and most believe the step dad did something to Sebastian

[@phanties]

Me too. No one around here is talking about how scared they are about a kidnapper on the loose that got away…

[@marlenacantu8418]

Scary thought but sadly that's the same opinion so many of us have.

[@Bruhsephus]

It doesn’t make sense otherwise to me. From gallatin and I hear similar theories from lots of people

[@SarahGreen523]

That's my take on it. I hope I'm surprised, but ... I don't think this is going to end happily.

[@DontLookBehindU13]

The mother snapped IMO Chris must have helped after the fact.

[@AngelaSeifried-lr1hj]

It's very strange Sebastian comes up missing same day Chris had custody hearing. To convenient for them

[@booognish]

Too*

[@scorpiokhaleesi]

@@booognishnobody likes a word nazi

[@Mike-es2yg]

How is that convenient? They are the prime suspects!

[@Lvefrequency]

🧨🧨Why would Chris be at work the day he had a custody hearing???? How would Sebastián going missing benefit Chris????🧨🧨

[@ThreeChe]

CPS failed this child in the most horrifying way.

[@kohinarec6580]

Did they? I've understood it is legal to physically "discipline" children in all 50 states. Which is totally revolting. But if it was "reasonable discipline" then what's CPS gonna do? And I strongly believe children should under no circumstance be physically "punished". It is abuse and assault.

[@Alexandra_Wolf]

I don't agree. Katie and the step dad made false accusations against Seth and likely there wasn't a ton of physical abuse until Chris realized he wouldn't get his daughter with Sebastian in the house. There are far more egregious conditions kids are in. A guy snapping one day isn't CPS failing them as Katie NEVER brought him into the hospital no one witnessed the abuse KATIE NEVER BROUGHT HIM TO POLICE or filed a report or called CPS herself. This isn't on CPS. This is on these two POS KATIE AND CHRIS.

[@lavacakez]

Not unusual of them.

[@isqueakifyousqueeze2601]

They often do

[@bettyjisko7138]

​@@kohinarec6580when Seth Rogers had to obtain an attorney to get CPS records released to him. Yeah I would say CPS DROPPED THE BALL BIG TIME!😢😢

[@drewroosevelt6506]

This channel is full of comments from thoughtful viewers. The Lore Lodge is a great community. You’ve built something really special here. People dedicated to the truth and to justice, especially when our institutions fail at those things in many cases. The police have obviously failed in a lot of the cases covered on this channel. I hope the viewers will make us all proud by taking investigations like this one into the real world through their own lives. You guys have made us proud with your excellent investigations. Keep it up!

[@Assassin4922]

I'm a teacher. We're mandatory reporters. No matter how hard a parent strikes their child in my presence, that is an immediate report to CPS, if out of nothing more than an abundance of caution. If something happens to that child and ANYONE finds out I didn't report the mere *suspicion* of abuse, I lose my teaching license.

[@TNNurse]

But corporal punishment is legal in TN. So if a teacher called CPS, she/he must have seen marks and/or bruises. There’s not even an exception clause for using corporal punishment on children with disabilities. I’ve written a representative to try and have this changed.

[@Mike-es2yg]

A teacher, huh? You guys sure like to push all that degenerate "progressive" crap to kids, telling them they can "change genders" and then hiding it from the parents....also, teachers are WAY more likely to SA children than ANY other profession; people dog priests but teachers are the worst by far. Teachers are on the side of evil these days, better get off your high horse, sweetie

[@Mike-es2yg]

​@@TNNurse Don't tell people how to parent, spankings are NOT "abuse" ffs. If anybody DOES actually abuse their child, I have ZERO mercy for them, but too many people call ANY discipline "abuse" these days. Which is why we have so many spoiled, weak, out of control kids the last few generations.

[@hirotakasugi4891]

Yep also, there should have been a police report regardless of the age of perpetrator who forced themselves or coerced someone like that especially a kid on hard auts.

[@dusfitz]

​@Mike-es2yg you're coming off a little strong there pal. I think the point is that you can legally beat your kids over almost nothing in some states. There needs to be a line drawn for what is considered acceptable physical punishment.

[@MadGrubble]

Umm, hold up. Who thought it was a good idea to force that poor woman to send her baby girl to spend the summer with people who already “misplaced” one of their kids? 😅 Maybe lets not send them any more children to lose until we find the last one.

[@boojienikki]

My thoughts exactly

[@DeborahDurr-oj8gr]

The judge stated, "There hasn't been any charges and it was reported that Sebastian left on his own" so by law, CP was entited to his visitation time with Faith

[@MadGrubble]

@@DeborahDurr-oj8gr Probably a bad idea to just take their word with zero evidence ether way and under super suspicious circumstances that he maybe, kinda sorta probably just “left on his own” 😅

[@Viking_Luchador]

Nina is a Native American woman. They have the lowest life expectancy of any ethnic & sexual group in the country. Because they are so often murdered or disappeared, often without an arrest being made or even a serious investigation. The cops and the courts likely only give the most minimal of shits required of her.

[@HydinOut4]

I feel absolutely horrible for Sebastian. Every single “adult” in his little life are convoluted, dysfunctional, abusive, and toxic individuals. That baby didnt stand a chance from birth.

[@Loveitorleaveit777]

I have followed this case from Day 1 and thoroughly investigated it, as much as is possible. Can you please present receipts in making allegations of abuse against every adult in Sebastian's life? That is quite an allegation.

[@SaintDyl]

@@Loveitorleaveit777this is KZbin bruh. Chill out internet detective. Go make a difference IRL acting high and mighty like that.

[@sarah69420]

@@Loveitorleaveit777Chris beat him. His mom beat him. His father is sketchy at best.

[@AnnePeterson-w3w]

We don’t really know many facts about Seth other than he was in an extremely toxic marriage with a woman who was cheating on him and lies as much as Chris the current husband. Although yelling and slamming doors isn’t awesome it’s fairly common in that kind of dysfunctional relationship. IMHO, Seth sounds like he was a very good parent to Sebastian if I’m reading between the lines correctly.

[@misskate3815]

@@AnnePeterson-w3weh, could have been the best in the bunch, but that doesn’t say much. He does sound good on paper, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to reality. However, he doesn’t have the laundry list of people making allegations that Katie and Chris have.

[@lonedragon3261]

Even if your research doesn't help crack the case, you guys are still heroes for the effort you put into trying to find out what happened to this kid. Respect.

[@EShirako]

Yeah, seriously. This was clearly a TON of work and involved so much cross-checking..!

[@JessicaPhillips-x9l]

Why do these parents keep getting away with murder? As a severely abused child it just breaks my heart.

[@forgiven5919]

One of the things about the Sebastian case that bothers me is that although Katie works at a security surveilance company, she has no security cameras around her home? I would think that the employees get a discount.

[@AT-vp8qw]

I don't think that's weird. Not everyone is comfortable with cameras in their home / on their property.

[@ericahartman5185]

CPS won’t bring charges of abuse if the child is missing

[@Actingbadly]

This should be pinned, it's the entire reason this child is missing. What kind of abuse was this boy experienc? I mean they had him in nappies wetting himself, what was he having to enduring from these freaks? Look at CP history #r@pe allegations from step cousins and KP mother and sister being a pedo is unnerving.

[@lindatimmons3675]

​@@Actingbadly....... Yes it is.

[@mcbeaty3971]

@@Actingbadly“Look at CP…“ erm, what the scallop.

[@Aryasvitkona]

CPS in some states won't even bring charges if the child has 206 broken bones. CPS is a roll of the dice if they're helpful

[@hanslanda8303]

@@mcbeaty3971Grey-mane or Battle-born?

[@HydinOut4]

I don’t think Chris tried to get custody of faith because he loved her. He was doing it to have control. That whole situation is like the nightmare version of “I Love a Mommas Boy”

[@raeoverhere923]

And to not have to pay child support to Nina

[@debbiependleton8507]

Chris mother, K Bowersox wanted Faith. She wanted custody of Faith. Not so much Chris. IMO Since K Bowersox basically kidnapped Faith in the past.

[@justapanpirate]

My exact thought. A relative of mine has been going through a custody battle for years, and it’s clear the dad just wants to have control and hurt her. The fact that his son doesn’t want to be with him (different city, which would mean leaving everything he knows, friends, school etc) and it’s gotten so bad he started wetting the bed at 8 y/o doesn’t seem to matter at all.

[@kathryncumberland]

While I appreciate Aidan's optimistic hypothesis, I'm sure that Sebastian is already dead. That's what happens anytime a child goes strangely missing without a trace and the parents either act weird or lie (or both). It's invariably because one or both of them murdered the child. I can't imagine that this case is anything different.

[@ingridn0g]

Yeah, I hate to agree with this hypothesis, but I do. Because, like Aidan said, how is this supposed to end well for Chris? Sebastian comes back and says nothing about the abuse, about his kidnapping, about anything? There's just no answer where Sebastian comes out of this unharmed. The only way he won't say anything bad about his stepfather is if he can't. And I'm literally crying as I write this.

[@jadeblues357]

I agree with you, especially considering Sebastian’s condition😢

[@gaberegan5465]

Unfortunately I think you're right.

[@clayxros576]

​@jadeblues357 At best, the family was similarly "negligent" as Chris and they triggered the condition on accident. At worst, we need to start digging up their farm. At Satan level, we should bring out GPR (ground penetrative radar) to find any unrecorded bunkers.

[@NanaBren]

Sadly, I believe that Sebastian was killed early on in the disappearance. He may have threatened to expose the truth of the abuse and so he was disappeared. He was also in the way regarding the case of Chris trying to get custody of his daughter. I just personally can’t imagine Katie not standing up for her son. She is still in CYA mode to protect herself and Chris from being exposed for the abusive people they are. The longer this goes on, the deeper the hole they are digging for themselves. Jmo

[@BELINDAMCLAIN-ld5cu]

I totally agree, I would never stop searching for my child and would appreciate all the help from others as well. This family is trying to stop people from looking for Sebastian and they haven’t searched at all just living their life like this never happened.

[@daisyjanew]

There’s so much more to tell about this story. Parents not looking for him, not attending any vigils or memorials, putting the house up for sale.

[@wmdkitty]

Step-"father" did it. Kid was gonna talk, tell all about what he'd done to him.

[@Actingbadly]

💯 Chris cousins alleged he r@ped them when younger. Poor Sebastian was in nappies due to wetting himself, belts...etc makes for a dark possibility. 🚩🚩🚩

[@ColorwaveCraftsCo]

My assessment is Chris thinks he is way smarter than he actually is, which is why he has bungled his custody situation so badly and now is scrambling to cover his tracks for all of his wrongdoing. Can’t wait to see him caught and prosecuted.

[@Mike-es2yg]

Disciplined him? Omg no! Stop it. When it comes out it was Katie, I want you to remember that next time you think you have a case figured out ...

[@wmdkitty]

@@Mike-es2yg Might want to take your own advice. It was 100% the stepfather.

[@Lusa_Iceheart]

@@wmdkitty Mmmh, I think there's a good reason to suspect it WAS Katy proudfoot. Sebastian is most likely dead and it's more likely that it was accidental. "Missing Child" isn't great for Chris' custody battle and like Aiden pointed out, it's not a "plan A" sorta idea. I think it's likely that either Chris or Katy was "discipling" Sebastian, got too violent and then the two decide they had to cover it up. Katy would have reason to turn on Chris and spill if Chris was the one who hit him that final time. If it was Katy who hit and killed him, Chris covering it up would be advancing his agenda to get his daughter; being married to a child-killing women isn't good for a custody battle either. A single hit to the head could be lethal since Sebastian had a serious condition with fluid in his brain. Katy could have very well hit him once and 'popped' the cyst. She was clearly fine with Chris beating Sebastian with a belt, she'd probably be fine with hitting him on the back of the head herself. And when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter which Proudfoot hit Sebastian the lethal time, they're both culpable for Second Degree murder now. Possibly First Degree murder, depending on how Tennessee splits hairs with "after the fact" planning of a crime. The He-said-she-said the two of them will use to try and pin the other is meaningless, they'll both try to claim it was the other and that they were coerced into helping cover it up. Ultimately, the state will charge them both equally since they're both in on it. Anyway, I think it actually leans more on Katy since she would have more reason to turn on Chris since Sebastian is HER child. The fact that shes sticking with Chris implies she has a reason to. I think that reason is SHE did it and Chris is using that as leverage. Either way, I doubt it was premeditated by Chris to get rid of Sebastian. "Losing your stepson" doesn't look good for the custody battle, but it's better than "accidental death of disabled child in the household". He'd have reason to cover it up after the fact, not to pre-plan the killing. He WAS already trying to get rid of Sebastian, passing him off to Seth. The death was a wrench in the plan and now they're trying to save as much face as possible, play the victims. BTW, I like your khajiit user picture.

[@visvivalaw]

Chris shows evidence of a sociopath's behavior called "duper's delight". That's when a liar tells a lie and they smile and seem happy when they think you believed them.

[@JackEverfree]

Wait, is that really sociopath behavior? I asked because I have the same thing. I don’t lie because when I lie, I can’t stop from grinning like an idiot.

[@UAPReportingCenter]

Everyone online is a psychologist these days lol

[@privatecookie29]

@JackEverfree I think people in general can show sociopathic traits but not be sociopaths. Think of it like checking boxes on a survey. You can check some boxes for sociopathic behavior, but not all the boxes that make you a sociopath (if that makes sense).

[@mckenzie2423]

@@JackEverfree it’s probably not exclusive to sociopaths but is a common in sociopaths and therefore associated with sociopathy.

[@openeyes1605]

@@JackEverfreethat’s just because you’re nervous, it’s different

[@wannabesleuthinsomethin]

Thank you for willingly stepping into this 💩 show to spread awareness for Sebastian.

[@nicme]

So Katie recorded the pickup of Faith but didnt have constant surveillance on and in her own home?!! Doesnt she also work for a surveillance company? Seems odd.

[@alpschild]

This is by far the most comprehensive break-down of these families out there. Thanks for your hard work on this! Poor Sebastian deserves justice.

[@sandrafaith]

Your final speech at the end brought tears to my eyes. My younger brother was "developmentally disabled" (born in 1976 so that was the terminology then; he was probably autistic), and he died of lung cancer in 2020. I miss him a lot still, and whenever I see stories with a victim like this, it utterly breaks my heart.

[@reolabranch]

❤

[@jenn405]

❤

[@TNNurse]

Please tell me you’re not ending this now! There’s so much more. The odd behavior, LE allowing CP to “go get his camper” but was gone for 17 hours, the lack of searching, motorcycle shopping, KP leaving the very home he would return to, no public outcry for days and the first one was a KZbin channel, not attending vigils, now the family has issued 3 orders of protection on Bullhorn Betty but no energy in finding Sebastian. Why is there not a reward? At this point, that’s the only thing that’s gonna bring him home, imo. The list goes on and on and on.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I need a break, honestly. This was one of the most stressful cases we've ever looked at.

[@Preppybestie12]

You definitely deserve a break from it.. It's a complete circus and very very sad that poor Sebastian has been lost in all the mess and he deserves so much more than that. I appreciate you so much looking into this case and I'm praying we get some answers soon!​@@TheLoreLodge

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@TheLoreLodgeYou can't pour from an empty cup. Y'all do taxing work and it's completely understandable to need a break from time to tIme. Please take care of yourselves 💕

[@Posithope]

​@TheLoreLodge Anything worth while is hard work, these kind of people Rely on wearing opponents out. Rest, refuel and go again. Ty

[@TheLostSoul0]

@@Posithope I think you should try having at least a tiny fraction of the compassion that TLL has for this case for TLL themselves.

[@angrybuffalofan1750]

Chris knows where Sebastian is and it’s heartbreaking that he’s not responsible enough to do the right thing

[@calebchristensen900]

It’s not the fact that he’s not responsible enough. It’s the fact that he just purely doesn’t care. The man is obviously as sociopath.

[@lindatimmons3675]

​@@calebchristensen900...... IMHO......CP is a dickhead !!!!!!!!

[@ronaldwoozlib9874]

There’s no being “responsible” when you are the culprit.

[@calebchristensen900]

@@ronaldwoozlib9874 Even if he did not personally participate, it’s pretty obvious that he was part of the planning

[@DaddiDrako]

I bet Sebastian is with Chris parents the other proudfoots who held faith from Nina

[@paintingsbypellie]

My son is 12 and autistic. All these cases lately involving autistic children are horrifying. I truly hope Sebastian is actually out there and still alive somewhere.

[@MattPotter15]

Most impactful video series a KZbinr could put out to help someone Great job!!!

[@Pisces2280]

The Lore Lodge can you please let us know if the family starts harassing or threatening you? I seriously want to know being that this is a common thing that keeps happening when anyone starts trying to find Sebastian

[@Raytheharbinger0]

Probably not the best thing for Aiden to announce that. We don't need to get involved in it. I know for a fact some of his viewers will harass the family in retaliation. It always happens with the internet. And that adds even more unnecessary drama to the case when it's best to keep a calm clear head so things don't go overlooked. I'm sure Aiden can handle them if they do try to harass him.

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@Pisces2280 if they do they’ll hear from a lawyer.

[@aliciac3312]

@@TheLoreLodge Seth was going to have Joe Petito on....and Joe and the Gaby foundation was getting threats.

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@aliciac3312 I actually just spoke to Gabby’s mother about that yesterday! Doesn’t seem like there was much more to it than rabid anti-Seth people going after anyone who associated with him.

[@Pisces2280]

@Raytheharbinger0 I totally agree with you. Of course I expect him to let L.E know and contact his attorney and I don't agree with anyone harassing the family at all. I should have asked if they do and once he reports it I'm honestly curious as to what L.E has to say about all of these harassing allegations going on with a missing child case because it's completely odd under the circumstances.

[@Kloops]

Another thing to consider is that shortly after Sebastian went missing (before their interviews online or in the media) Chris called Nina to tell her about Sebastian going missing. He had missing for two days max I believe. They were due to be in court shortly from that phone call he made to her. 1. Nina made reference to security cameras inside the Proudfoot home he shared with Katie. 2. Nina told Chris that they have court soon and she needs to call her lawyer about this. And according to Nina, she said he yelled at her saying “we aren’t having court!!” Indicating that he won’t be able to make it because Sebastian won’t be found before court. How would he know this? How would he know that he won’t be at court? It was about a week away. And Sebastian was gone only two days max at that time. This alone screams to me that something awful happened. And Nina also said she felt Chris was holding back and wanted to talk to her more about the entire situation. She felt utterly uncomfortable and did what she could to get off the phone and didn’t want to hear it. So she ended the call and he spoke nothing more about Sebastian missing. If my idea of the timeline of events he was down or over spending 17 hours getting his travel trailer and bring it back to Hendersonville. However it’s only a seven hour max drive both ways to and from including gas fill ups. He has ten hours of unverified time during the time he made the phone call to Nina.

[@junkyardsearcher6407]

7 hour trip, but-trailer hookup, visit with people, tell the story okay- benefit of the doubt 3-4 hours visiting and getting food- that still leaves 6 hours… a lot can take place inside of 6 hours. Cell towers track where phones are, it’s a service used for finding lost hikers. Can the cell company be subpoenaed for tracing results on their phones for that 17 hours???

[@drmayne2071]

He would say "we aren't having court" because he's emotional and logically speaking after 48 hours it's unlikely people are found alive. So he was emotional and stressed and sad of the situation. I could see myself saying that when completely innocent sating the same thing. He may know something but that phrase doesn't mean anything, looking into it to hard.

[@MatthewKelley-mq4ce]

I tried to be generous but "we aren't having court" comes across as a rather odd thread the more you think about it. It's easy to read either way

[@Kloops]

@@MatthewKelley-mq4ce he screamed it at her in the phone. He was not calm.

[@DaniellaR-xp4cp]

​@@drmayne2071malignant narcissist don't get emotional.

[@loriEntropy]

A good rule is that if someone is filming you, you should probably be filming the situ as well. Especially w all of the ai and editing available

[@catsabotage3362]

A better rule is "never trust video or audio." This commercial AI is just the lesser, public version of what governments and the upper echelon of criminals have been capable of for decades and years respectively.

[@antifurryfoundation55]

To be fair it happened in 2017, before all this AI craze.

[@drewroosevelt6506]

Great rule!

[@NormalPersonCommenting]

@@catsabotage3362 I do wonder what makes you think this?

[@loriEntropy]

@@catsabotage3362 that's a little too difficult for me to remember/accept. Having a comprehensive record of the situ- especially when it's a custody or court situ, is just a good rule- imo

[@MountainCry]

After listening to this entire saga, I am profoundly sad for all these peoples' children, living on a roller coaster of instability with such parents. 💔

[@marygoff3332]

Yep. Innocent children born into unfortunate circumstances.

[@BlackSheep_216]

This case is horrible. That poor little guy. The fact the parents are lying screams guilt. Family betrayal is the most horrendous type.

[@Bunchoeves]

I have an autistic son who is now 30 (no chromosome problem or fluid on the brain). He has genius intellect but he was very difficult to raise. Every time I see that picture of Sébastien, my heart just aches for him. He reminds me of my son at 15, they have a similar look. An autistic child (we didn't get him diagnosed until he was 16) can be very difficult to raise, esp when we didn't know he was autistic. We just thought he was a child with behavioral problems and we struggled and struggled to raise him with proper discipline and help him to find happiness. My son at 15 would have been very trusting of us, and I can't help but think Sebastián's own family has done something to him. This case is absolutely heartbreaking.

[@timthetoolpool]

Yep, raising autistic kids can be quite irritating at times. I would rather raise 9 more autistic kids than deal with mental defectives like Sebastian's former guardians though. They seem like a couple of mooks at best.

[@kkgt6591]

Maybe these parents just broke under pressure and exhaustion of handling autistic son.

[@clemencina]

@@kkgt6591 and what? murdered him??? what the actual fuck are you saying

[@kkgt6591]

@@clemencina maybe they did, or maybe he left home and they are just relieved. It's common for people who have to take care of dependents to feel exhausted and irritated and relieved when the need for care ends.

[@Bunchoeves]

@@kkgt6591 it's very possible, but scaring and beating a child won't help him. I think they could have gone to CPS or somewhere to get help. We need to start educating people for life experiences I think.

[@MaryL1788]

I think your little brother is fortunate to have you as his big brother and I see you love him very much. I hope there is justice for Sebastian because he deserves it!

[@BigJesse579]

Dysfunctional relationships and families make my brain hurt.

[@sewnkin_fournine]

So, I just found out about a case I think should be looked into if possible. A boy named Christopher Morris lived with his father on Shepherd AFB in Wichita Falls, TX back in September of 2000. This little boy was found shoved naked into a dishwasher in the home. Apparently, the military did a piss poor job at investigating it.. which doesnt surprise me. I would love to see you guys look into it further.

[@heyhorinshi]

Isn't this a open and shutt case?

[@kintustis]

-teenage boy goes 'missing' without a trace -parents are involved in a vicious divorce and custody dispute. not really much of a mystery anymore

[@maryrodgers7898]

And taking out PO's against people trying to find Sebastian. That again tells me alot

[@victorialinnd]

What is that supposed to mean? You think no one should be looking into this anymore. So what happened then?

[@kymholmes8602]

@@maryrodgers7898 what about Seth putting C&D out on actual PI and Searchers in the area? Make that make sense!! He wouldn't even allow them to talk about Sebastian hmmm

[@DaddiDrako]

Holy shit the proudfoot family is insane stealing Nina’s daughter that Chris wanted her to ab0rt theb getting a court order threatening her with a bat after winning in court trying to steal her car with the kids in it then chasing them across multiple states. That’s literal insanity

[@kymholmes8602]

@@DaddiDrako don't you think if they stole her daughter. Chris wouldn't get to get visitation!? Common sense.. Nina is the one that had to go to domestic violence classes stop. We don't know all the facts. She should have never brought it to social media.

[@joannapuente224]

Justice for Sebastian Wayne Drake Rogers 💚

[@Lori_626]

💚💚💚💚💚💚

[@Skellyton99]

You deserve a standing ovation for this work.

[@Felicat82]

The thing about calling vs not calling CPS is easily explained. A LOT of people won't call if they aren't 100% sure something bad is happening because the system has a horrible tendency to remove children from perfectly safe, happy homes while leaving kids in awful conditions where they are. Calling CPS just to cause trouble for a family is also not uncommon.

[@KaeYoss]

Not in the case of teachers, who are required by law to report child abuse. Add that to the neighbors not calling and the claim that the mother never called CPS because Seth controlled all of her communication and the most likely scenario, by a wide margin, is that she's lying. He controlled all of her communications? Including in the Navy? Yeah right! She doesn't come off as this scared, mousy wallflower that was terrorized by "evil Seth".

[@maemccleary3283]

CPS is an epic failure, because of the trains you listed. Sometimes it seems like they only want "undamaged" children. Why would that be? I mean are they really do incompetent to leave clearly abused children where they are and to remove children who are loved, who's families are having a hard time/ don't have the finances to fight them. Smh.

[@AT-vp8qw]

Yeah i agree. Sometimes being with a bad parent is better for a child than the alternative of being put in the foster care system. That depends on the extent of how "bad" the parent is.

[@catherinekeller7938]

Thank you, Aidan. I am confident that your tips to the FBI have contributed to the resurgence in this investigation and likely future apprehension of IMO "those family members involved."

[@aliciac9520]

I’m surprised Child Support hasn’t made its way into your investigation. If Sebastian was to go live with his dad the Proudfoots would have to pay child support. I also don’t believe that Chris is just such a great guy that he actually wants his daughter to live with them I think instead, he would rather not pay child support. It’s possible that it’s all about the money with these two parents.

[@DaniellaR-xp4cp]

Seth said his son had life insurance on the pascal show.

[@aliciac9520]

@@DaniellaR-xp4cp I wonder who the beneficiary was. Chris?

[@FeliciaSquires]

The Proudfoot’s paid $650,000 for their house. 2 ex-navy service persons, one works construction and the other works ironically as a home security installer….the navy must pay better than I thought.

[@Acidnoralkaline2]

​@@FeliciaSquires Chris is a skycrane operator. Probably makes 150-200k

[@AT-vp8qw]

I don't think it was for money. I think the main reason he fought so hard for custody is mostly to put Katie under emotional distress as a way to be petty and get "payback" at the other parent. He was definitely reveling in Katies panic and paranoia. This happens way more often than people give credit.

[@CinderellyCinderelly-v3i]

Step-Grandparents left for vacation in Alaska 3 days after Sebastian went missing. Katie P's. parents never really spoken of. Her mother is a SA offender.

[@____K_____989]

@lorelodge

[@junkyardsearcher6407]

Ooof… sadly with the time loss going to get the trailer, and leaving for an Alaska trip by CP’s parents it opens up so many possibilities… dang!

[@clayxros576]

By now they could have done anything, and no one will be able to find in Alaska unless they're preposterously sloppy. Oh no...

[@CinderellyCinderelly-v3i]

Now its been report that the sheriff of Sumner Co. Died to from an accidental fall. WTH

[@junkyardsearcher6407]

@@CinderellyCinderelly-v3i accidents do happen, I somehow doubt it’s related.

[@Widespread-Panic]

I desperately hope that I'm wrong, but I keep getting the feeling that C. Proudfoot lost his temper and killed Sebastian. I'm still praying that, if Sebastian is alive, he's found and brought to safety, but as time passes, I'm less and less hopeful.

[@RyanMcLaughlin-q8p]

Every time I see your dog in your videos, I immediately get 10x happier. you can just tell he's got so much love for you :')

[@TheLoreLodge]

He’s my buddy

[@thedinkster2163]

The "I have no recollection" is very common with lawyers. Its basically a way of avoiding admission or denial. Especially when that question should be easy to answer.

[@Holy.HannaH]

I fully agree. This one taking the time to add "She's a good woman" I think tells us what we needed to know.

[@dangerxbadger2300]

Omg custody battles are so ugly. I cannot believe they'd play that psychological game with Nina and serve her right before a visitation knowing how it would affect her. My abusive addict ex did shit like that the whole time we were fighting in court over our daughter.

[@joancleer4220]

That child had hand marks across his neck..protective services failed him

[@maliuuum]

poor poor child. whatever happened to him, just looking at the pictures with that huge smile makes me so upset. i hope he gets found alive soon.

[@ColorwaveCraftsCo]

Okay so the end gave me chills. It’s very obvious that you care a lot about this case, Mattis, and I hope you are taking care of yourself when dealing with all this heavy information. I also sincerely hope that Sebastian is found and I’m not going to lie, if Chris is involved I will love to see him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[@privateholt464]

as someone who also has a little brother with autism, i feel you and respect the effort you put into this. keep up the good work man!

[@maryellenblount6376]

All i can say is poor Sebastian. This sounds like some of most dysfunctional people ever and along rhe way Sebastian fell between the cracks....and went missing. So much to unpack here. I hope the truth comes out sooner than later.

[@DaniellaR-xp4cp]

Karma is real

[@dangerxbadger2300]

Oh Aiden. That ending got me right in the heart. This case must feel so close to home for you, no wonder it's taking such a toll. Please take care of yourself. Youre a good dude, doing great work on behalf of those who can't speak for themselves and no matter what the outcome, I'm certain that those who know and love Sebastian are grateful for the help. ❤❤❤ sending you love and light and peace

[@booognish]

Those who know and love him, as in like, everyone except his parents.

[@lifesprettygood]

This channel does so much research. You're not just telling a story. Thank you for caring.

[@hathhath2444]

So many adults that shouldn't be around kids, poor kid

[@janabanana8181]

I hope Sebastian is found and pray he is still alive and that justice is served!

[@randallcraft4071]

The mom saying that the kid who SAed her son was not 13 that her son wasn't allowed to be SAed and then admitting that he was in therapy definitely says that he was. And in the fact that she says that he was seeing the therapist because he was SAed and because he was abused makes it sound even funkier

[@lithijohnston3222]

That caught my eye too. Like so she’s saying he wasn’t abused then immediately heavily implied he was. Those two can’t be true at once

[@Onepinkflamingo]

Everything about this case just breaks my heart for all the children.

[@jerrihamilton5307]

I believe it was Sebastian worried about Chris finding out he wet his pants at school, not Seth.

[@februaryfox2718]

Sebastian deserved so much better. That poor kid was in a horrible situation no matter who you believe

[@meadow_nymph]

I'm an ABA therapist and I know several autistic kids/teens very well ..they are so sweet and endearing. Even the most difficult of behaviors just require patience, consistency, and a genuine desire to help the kid improve their behavior and live the best life possible. This case breaks my heart :( unfortunately, many parents do not have the patience or understanding that therapists/behavior analysts do...some seem not to see their own children as real people due to their challenges. it's devastating :(

[@themtbrowns]

You brought me to tears. I don't have much faith in prayer. But I have decided to light a candle, get out my Rosary and I'll pray for this boy. ❤🙏

[@RainyDay6913]

🙏🏼💕✝️🫶🏼

[@booognish]

BHB

[@CharlieHorse4363]

God loves you and is always happy to hear from you even if you are struggling in your faith right now. You’re beautiful to him ♥️ psalm 139

[@808_babyj]

Mahalo for covering this SEBASTIAN STRONG Much love and Aloha from Hawaii

[@ForceOfChaos1776]

Your puppy gets all the window treats I bet. Nice puptactical gear

[@NumptyMcGlumpty]

cry havoc, let slip the dogs of war

[@MiriamMNewby]

You did a great job investigating the Sebastian Rogers case.

[@FeliciaSquires]

Aidan I love how you handle these cases especially this one. My youngest is on the spectrum similar to Sebastain. You are respectful, diligent, thoughtful, concerned with truth and accuracy and I clap when you chastise those that need it. Keep up the excellent work!!!!

[@Stickweasel91]

When you ask 'Why Chris lies?' it sorta feels like its like breathing for him; Chris just seems to lie for no reason.

[@bobmartinez769]

Let's go... Can't wait for today's Lore Lodge video.... my favorite Friday drop.

[@ravenreed2611]

Agreed I watch every Friday for almost a year and a half now!

[@Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin]

@@ravenreed2611 usually mine too. But this one felt very rambling. I'm usually really interested in what he is speaking about, but with this video I was just getting through at a certain point. I know he clearly seems to care alot about this case, but his dislike for the step father is clearly affecting his judgement when it comes to how he looks at the case. This felt like more of a "look how many things he did that make him a Dbag" video than an explanation or investigation of anything. It's just what went through my mind while watching

[@MyWalk3296]

Bad look for that sheriffs dept also, makes ya wonder if that's why they called the sheriff's dept first instead of 911

[@scorpjess84]

Exactly...

[@RainyDay6913]

💯

[@DaniellaR-xp4cp]

And now he is dead. The sheriff.

[@bbysmary]

as someone with an older brother who has severe autism, i really appreciated the way you covered this case. i completely understand how you feel regarding your little brother, and i feel the same way about mine - i'd never stop searching either

[@partysuvius]

The fact that I’m from Nashville and don’t remember this case in the news at the time is insANE. I don’t live there anymore, but I still have family and am able to see the news and weather updates from home.

[@nickhartwell6889]

Its important to note about military marraiges that "better housing" is literally just a secondary paycheck to help people find housing off base. But you can find extremely cheap housing, and just pocket the rest. This is on top of free Healthcare for the spouse, and a garaunteed move off base. The military practically WANTS their enlisted members to get married in order to free up on-base housing.

[@julielincoln4308]

Those parents have done something to that poor boy

[@karenalberini714]

Massachusetts here. Appreciate your analysis. Justice for Sebastian. 🌹

[@booognish]

Justice is a social construct, just like gender.

[@dreamysheepstudios]

I absolutely respect your deep dive and talking about it by stating facts that can be 100% proven. I can definitely see your hypothesis as a likely possibility, and I hope and pray that Sebastian is found and rescued as soon as he can be. Even the fact that the parents left the area so quickly after Sebastian went missing tells me that they knew he wasn’t coming home anytime soon. I feel that any parent looking for their lost kid would stay at home and be glued to their window in case their child comes back at anytime.

[@ConsterL]

I’ve been interested in true crime for about four years years so I don’t know why I am still surprised at how vile, twisted, deceptive, conniving, manipulative, selfish, violent and murderous some people are. Poor Sebastian and any other children involved with these psychos

[@Erik-j6r]

The step dad in a court battle, bad temper and controlling and narcissistic, my guess is he did something by "accident" ( in a blind or drunk rage) and killed him or maybe he just really saw the poor child as a burden and decided to get rid of him.... But ether way he did something.... Look at his dead eyes ......

[@booognish]

Dolls eyes*, like a giant teddy bear 🧸

[@CharlieHorse4363]

@@booognishdon’t disrespect Teddy bears like this 😭💀🥴

[@Erik-j6r]

@@booognish black eyes, LIKE A DOLLS EYES 👀..... Beady things ...... 358 men went in the water 63 got out

[@LunaNova-g1r]

My hypothesis... Chris and Katie wanted a daughter and to be an "easier" family without having to go thru pregnancy... and they're both narcissistic, horrible people.

[@Jacklyn-zc8dc]

A family without Autism involved.

[@Actingbadly]

They had an open CPS investigation, CP didn't want Sebastian to tell the kind of abuse he was receiving from these monsters. Poor kid was in nappies due to wetting himself 🚩 Chris cousins alleged he r@ped them when CP was younger and add in KP mother and sister being registered PEDOs and it's unnerving. Nothing to do with wanting a daughter, it's about covering disgusting abuse imo.

[@ingridn0g]

​​@@Jacklyn-zc8dcas an autistic person, I hate to admit this is completely possible. A lot of people don't want us around. To them, we are "difficult", "weird", "stubborn", "sensitive". Most parents would be willing to face the challenges that come with raising an autistic child because they love their kids. The Proudfoots clearly aren't "most parents", though.

[@chroniclesoftheshady]

You sound dumb. Seth would have took Sebastian happily. Remember 🙄🙄

[@DaniellaR-xp4cp]

Just to add they didn't want a defected kid who they made fun of on interviews.

[@leticiamartinez7031]

They could subpoena FB and get even the deleted posts, images and videos. FB servers hold all that data and never purge their servers.

[@hitsujiyume]

that's assuming the family was actually livestreaming it to somewhere (FB or otherwise) and not just filming it.

[@Raytheharbinger0]

​@@hitsujiyume Given how they behave, I'd say it's more likely the recordings could be found. Nobody records something like that for no reason.

[@booognish]

Those servers got Zucced

[@jaredpeterson380]

Holy crap! What a snake pit that poor kid was living in.

[@andred1235]

As someone who has had a conversation with cps (at that time dss) about being abused being told "This isn't as bad as a group home or foster home so stop reporting." CPS workers do the bare minimum and that's why so many kids are killed by their abusers and the system.

[@raeoverhere923]

Yep, it's completely random as to if you get a good CPS worker or not, if there's a good one to get. I know these agencies are massively underfunded and understaffed and that's why it happens, but it's so depressing to think about all the kids who never get help because they're kid number 89 on a case worker's list for the day.

[@AT-vp8qw]

The sad thing is so many people DO get trafficked, r worded, abused, and unalived in the foster care system so victims can rarely find relief. Our world is twisted inside out.

[@pablochamorro5627]

I came for the dog cameo, was very grateful during the first few minutes. Also this whole thing is an incredible shitshow that is super difficult to follow, thank you for making it as clear as you can

[@Momtojoshcanpark]

Your conclusion what happened is EXACTLY what I have been saying since I first heard of this case and that was back in March. And I also thought back then their plan was to "find" Sebastian after Faith went home but it got so blown up in the public eye and now they don' know what to do.

[@RonContra]

This is your best yet guys. I have a feeling your efforts are going to shed some light on this case. I’m sending up a prayer for Sebastian, his family and the Lore Lodge family. Keep it up 🙏

[@soggy7683]

what i will say as a neurodivergent person (adhd) who experienced CSA as a young child, kids WILL repeat the behaviors done to them ESPECIALLY around the age of when the assault occurred. for me i was 6 and was extremely hyper sexual and made inappropriate advances with the other girls in my class/daycare. but once i moved and was out of that environment of my abuser, i literally almost completely blocked it out and stopped that behavior. that might’ve been just my particular coping mechanism but i wouldn’t say its unlikely to say sebastian did similar things as a kid. kids who are hurt and dont get the help they need at the time will often repeat the behavior to try and bring attention towards it in a desecrate way too. i did that with my parents when it happened and with friends too. and sebastion who yall previously said struggles talking with adults and being autistic, really just struggled to communicate in general, those were like cries for help. truly i hope he is found soon and i pray he is put with his father until whatever the hell is going on in that home is figured out.

[@justapanpirate]

I feel like often it’s very black or white. On one side, it’s your experience and on the other the child wants nothing to do with any kind of touch. Like children with an addict parent often either become an addict themselves or is vehemently against any sort of alcohol or drug. I hope that you have a good support system and is living your best life, creating amazing happy memories.

[@bruderschweigen6889]

Ill admit to being critical of some of your videos in the past but you've done a tremendous job with this series. I only hope that poor kid is breathing.