the killers vs. fall out boy: exploring the 2005 beef

no beef, just seitan
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[@thecozyrep]

hello friends! quick announcement: starting with this video onwards, for the first time ever, i am officially going to start putting up a NEW VIDEO EVERY WEEK! every tuesday evening for the forseeable future, there will be a new cozy rep vid :) it will be kind of an experiment at first / something i've wanted to do for a while. not every video will be a long documentary-style deep dive like i normally do; maybe one of those videos a month, but the rest will be, for now, me trying out a bunch of different stuff. fun experimentation! at this point in my journey on youtube, the channel is, for me, nothing more than a place for fun creative expression. a little art project. so for the first time ever, come back every tuesday evening for a new vid! hope you'll stick around for the ride and thank you for everyone who's rocked with me this far.

[@RefRMart10]

Thank the lord!!! This one a month thing was literally killing me

[@TheMizLover1]

Yay!!! This is awesome news

[@insertrandomnamehere]

let’s gooo!!!

[@idontuploadanym0re]

HELL YESSS

[@Rubythereaper]

Excited for anything you decide to put out! I’m so glad to have found your channel

[@black0ps0]

As a British man whos spent my life being subjected to the Killers music everywhere, i am still to this day baffled that they are not british

[@EncoreASMR]

Hearing their music being blared out everywhere made me want to vomit

[@joshuafult84]

weird they sound very American to me

[@dilanelysium5118]

even pete's insults are cripticly poetic lmao

[@Im_Andrecito]

First thought when I saw the title; "They had beef!? Over what!? Which one was hurt more by their unrequited love's rejection?"

[@Ryo7_7]

Lol, similar thought.

[@fioregiallo]

As a decently big fan of both, same. Lmao.

[@DisasterStrikes]

Several coincidences I picked up on last year between Panic! and Killers (after seeing the latter live) that I think are interesting (some which you've alluded to in the video). Their lead singlers are both are vegas natives, are mormon, essentially have the same first name, and their respective major breakout singles are very theatrical in nature and tell a story of a man finding out that their partner has cheated on them and chronicles how they process the event

[@Chelaxim]

There's an odd amount of people raised mormon in the alt music scene.

[@vvx600]

Eh, Flowers and Killers are better

[@DisasterStrikes]

@@vvx600 hey man, respect your opinion, but I wasn’t trying to compare who’s better here. Just trying to say that both lead singers have some similar stories here

[@joshuafult84]

To be fair both bands only had 1 good album. Everything after with both bands sucked@@vvx600

[@kyla4236]

edit: to answer your question as a vegas native and someone who lived in utah for a time, vegas has a big mormon culture. considered “the melting pot”, a majority of residents in vegas are from california and utah; however, we also have a good amount of people from illinois… been a subscriber for a year now and i’m just as happy for this upload as i was binging last year! whatever pace you choose is fine, but please keep it coming! ❤ happy halloween!!

[@SanktaLo]

I literally came in the comments looking for other Vegas people telling him about the Mormon thing 😂

[@taylorwilson4157]

I remember this! I also remember Pete doing an interview letting everyone know they were finally “beef free”

[@giovannacortez1936]

Do u have a link

[@BobFinkleberry0]

Wait, The Bravery is ACTUALLY kinda wicked, highly reccomend their debut album and The Sun and The Moon album such good songs dude

[@meganvalek2690]

Agreed! Way better than The Killers, in my opinion.

[@_Majunior]

I checked after he brought them up just to see if I knew any songs. I think believe was the only one I recognized but that opening riff was definitely unmistakable

[@MorganSea1039]

Agreed. Honest Mistake is still one of my favorite music videos ever!!

[@nogrecords]

Right!? Stir The Blood (their third album) is great too! , AND they are back together and in the studio!!

[@lori1376]

@@nogrecordsthis is actually rlly cool

[@thoughtsontape4283]

Your ability to dive deep into topics and site articles is seriously impressive. I love these videos so much bro.

[@its-the-FNG]

I can see the Killers drummer being the cool one. I met him when I worked at Guitar Center. I believe he was the drum manager at GC Vegas before they got signed. He stopped in to check out our store on the way back to Vegas, after they recorded the first album. Dude was super chill and really humble. Definitely deserves the success he got.

[@katrinwalter5823]

My dog's doped up after having an operation and this was honestly exactly what I needed. I miss Pete Wentz having unfettered internet access.

[@EducatedNation2]

Same though. It’s probably a good thing overall but like I do miss it.

[@ramzca]

On the 'Internet Savvy' status, from what I recall: My Chemical Romance since the very very early days of their band kept an ongoing Blog and kept it updated at least until the release of 3 Cheers. There is an internet archive of it all - it was mainly updated by Ray with the occasional post by Gerard. They kept posting things like 'UNLEASH THE BATS' and such. I don't know if it was Eyeball Records that made them make it for their street team or if they had it going before - though - but I recall they posted like one of their first concerts recorded by their then drummer Matt Pelissier's mom from the concert hall which is up on KZbin in, like, 180p and that was way, way back in like 2002.

[@chasingstars4]

that's true, but i do think pete was more 'internet savvy' in the sense that he used social media not only to promote his band but also to interact with fans which ultimately led him to discover ryan ross and panic!. also i feel like he started the whole 'confessional blog' trend as a rockstar by releasing poetry of livejournal and things which no members of mcr ever did

[@emmawarren9677]

⁠​⁠just wanted to add there was a pretty active arma angelus livejournal around 2001 or so that was mostly run by pete and occasionally posted on by other members, it was a pretty even mix of personal blog posts by pete and band related announcements of shows and stuff! pretty sure its still up if anyone was curious u could probably find it pretty easily

[@DrunkMoblin]

Nope. Linkin Park was out there years before.

[@simonasky8929]

Loved to reminisce about old beef! Pete is so Iconic with his words

[@empahe]

omg i can’t believe you didn’t mention fob’s mr brightside cover on their tour in 2007 😭 that part is hilarious to me

[@CarrieCakes]

Cozy, what?! An Honest Mistake by The Bravery is still. so. GOOD! Continuing the video now. Lol

[@nnaaddiaa]

YES this was like my special interest in middle school i’m SO happy you made a video on it

[@mondypesos]

i love your videos so much!! i'm a couple years younger than you so i *just* missed a lot of these big important events in emo and other scene history and your channel has seriously been like a little encyclopedia of this knowledge i wouldn't have learned otherwise! anything you have to offer is a treat,, you just have such a great energy and i look forward to anything you make! thanks for the vids!! :)

[@steviescribbles]

Love these kinds of videos! Feels like talking about the good old days with a friend. Definitely keep it up!

[@OutlawSpaceWizard]

the bravery was actually in the same genre as the killers did on thier early album, post punk revival, but had more bite imo.

[@chasingstars4]

fun fact: dan reynolds from imagine dragons, along with brendon urie and brandon flowers like you mentioned, is also from las vegas and ALSO raised mormon

[@Chelaxim]

Neon Trees also

[@chasingstars4]

@@Chelaxim really? i didn't know that

[@valanne4333]

the Bravery is actually way underrated and they sound a bit like the Killers mashed with Depeche Mode. IDK I was into them way back when.

[@rocioperez893]

i want to get "no beef just seitan" printed on a t-shirt

[@Rex-golf_player810]

Even in the final lyrics of This Ain't A Scene I can see some lyrics that kinda mentions the concept of "rockstar complex" people and how "At night we're painting your trash gold" all that kinda stuff

[@songs4polarbear]

I've not finished the video yet, but huge Killers fan from the start (and big emo!), Brandon is very embarrassed about those feud days, he thought he had to play up to some sort of 'rock' character. And has reached out and apologised to those he spoke about FoB, Green Day, etc. Now thinking back, their A&R to this day is still less than useless, and now I'm pissed 😂

[@Alex-cc5be]

Funny you mention the band the Bravery. All the suddent their song "Believe" popped in my head last week. Haven't heard it in ages. Used to hear it on my local rock station back in the day

[@keyboardude]

If anything, I remember P!ATD and The Killers being compared to each other back in the day. Never heard about the FOB/Killers beef but this sounds interesting.

[@haliee]

i remember people mistaking brandon flowers and brendon urie as each other

[@ivecaughtfire7431]

The guys from Saosin a few years earlier had used the internet to get their Translating The Name ep exposure & almost entirely got hype based off that so although that isnt an example of a "mainstream rock act" it is an example of an adjacent act doing similar things to promot & market a little bit earlier. It wouldve been hard for Rock, Alt, Punk, HxC, or Indie-Rock bands at that time to use the internet the way we do now considering until post-2000 social media itself didnt even exist just yet. The internet as you know was a way way less centralized, corporate space it was extremely decentralized & user-reliant back then in the late 90s and early 00s. At 26 going on 27 Im juuuuust old enough to remember web 1.0 lol it wouldve been exponentially harder for ANY artist in 99, '00, '01 to get exposure online. The infrastructure also didnt exist really for high quality audio, video etc either on most websites it wouldve been insanely expensive & difficult for average artists to have any resemblance of the quality & resources we have now 20 years later.

[@nogrecords]

SAOSIN IS MY FAVORITE BAND!!!! STILL LOVE EVERYTHING THEY'VE RELEASED! BTW THEY ARE ON TOUR IN ASIA RIGHT NOW WITH COVE!

[@chocodoco4855]

I won't stand for slander against The Bravery!

[@nogrecords]

SAME!😂

[@AngeloAtreyu]

You don't know the bravery? That's an honest mistake.

[@nogrecords]

I 𝘽𝙀𝙇𝙄𝙀𝙑𝙀 this is an underated, 𝙁𝙀𝘼𝙍𝙇𝙀𝙎𝙎 comment. 😂

[@canarytoacoalmine]

27:17 "All those bands" "influenced by each other" Referring to Fall Out Boy is crazy knowing that when Infinity On High came out, it had R&B and Orchestral elements. I wonder if he realized how not mainstream they actually were with their genre, since the lead singer turned into a blue-eyed soul singer on Folie á Deux, mixing the genres even further from their "emo/pop-punk" roots.

[@NOAHFINNCE]

what a bloody treat

[@xtheyan]

Literally everyone is happy when you upload a new video man , outstanding work as usual 🤘🏻🩷🔥

[@Rubythereaper]

Cozy, I truly love your channel!!as someone who has such a hyper fixation on this era of internet and music culture from my childhood I appreciate your content so much! A brokencyde song came up on my playlist at the gym last night, still can’t believe I used to love them 😂

[@purpleheartsofficial]

I never thought about how similar The Bravery and The Killers were until now.

[@youweremymuse]

Hey Cozy! Love videos like this. As someone who got into emo late in the game, it's fun to learn about all the deep cuts in terms of scene culture that I missed the first time around. It's got me wondering if bands these days have stupid feuds, or if the internet is too different nowadays. What's the most famous hyperpop feud? Do emo rappers diss eachother? Lol. I'd love to see a video on the beef between FOB and PTV over them both covering Beat It. Not sure if theres enough for a whole video but it's definitely another silly band feud.

[@internetguy9531]

I LUV UR VIDS COZY STOKED ABOUT NEW UPLOAD SCHEDULE KEEP BEIN AWESOME

[@bpinheiro4748]

ok, this is literally the first video i am watching by you, so leaving this here despite the very high chance of you already knowing about it just in case: have you read scrunche zine's essays on fall out boy and related subjects? they link a lot to older interviews/blogs and are pretty interesting

[@ENZEED]

Thank you for the vid. I didnt know this kind of thing while the boys and i were jamming at the school cleaners back in highschool of 09 with the song dance dance by fob

[@steelerfan2363]

The Bravery is actually pretty solid! Listen to them when you get the chance, great band!

[@deadman7624]

Nice Allroy’s Revenge shirt brotha! Just saw All at Fest in Gainesville. Great video too, I was just getting into FOB around the time of this beef (at 7 years old lmao) but it was cool to hear about this

[@mxmissy]

I love the deep dives, but videos like this are good because I now work so I don't really have time to watch 1hr videos even at 2x speed. I wouldn't mind more of this!

[@midwestgoodbye]

The Bravery rocks got at least 2-3 in rotation still haha but that's about it - love the vids keep up the good work

[@chasingstars4]

COZYY omg you're back!! and with FOB content no less ashhfasgha i can't tell you how excited i am to watch this

[@RobewhO]

To be fair, An Honest Mistake by The Bravery was a pretty big song at the time. But.. yeah.. *_just_* the song..

[@RefRMart10]

Missed you bro!!! I’m already ready for the next video I want to see a Hollywood undead video

[@nogrecords]

I missed you bro! So glad you're back!

[@devansteininger9218]

NEW UPLOAD YESSSS👹👹

[@sidragml7940]

Just found you recently and your channel is literally my new favorite!! I'm begging for a vid on The Used or Yellowcard or Sugarcult if you ever find the time

[@MrWalkerDrums]

recently discovered your channel, have been selecting videos that let me relive my youth. However, all week I've had a song stuck in my head all week trying to remember who sang it, couldn't. Then as you mention The Bravery and say who can even remember what songs they have, I go look them up and BOOM. Honest Mistake, the song that has been stuck in my head for a week. So thank you very much for not only making amazing content, but for helping me figure out the it was The Bravery who sang Honest Mistake.

[@amapan81]

Aww…. I loved The Bravery :( The singer reminded me of Robert Smith. They kind of sounded like goth synth pop to me. I think you’d like it.

[@TurbulenttJuice]

You bite your tongue this is one of the best channels of all time!!

[@skrounst]

I can't name a song by The Bravery, but I'd bet 10 bucks they have an album called "The Bravery". It's one of those band names thats bad, but you can tell they probably thought it was such an amazing name that they HAD to self title an album with it. Edit: spoilers... Yep... Bonus points for DEBUT self titled album.

[@SanktaLo]

There’s a huge Mormon population in Vegas 💀 all the hella rich neighborhoods are full of them ETA: I like these chill, no-frills videos. I like keeping your videos on in the background while I knit, so half the time I’m not even looking at the screen. Hope you’re doing good, man!

[@squatonthecomet1306]

Bruh I needed this vid. Tested positive for covid today and have been in bed all day

[@zerogravira2851]

I live for the fall out boy videos my man

[@tylermulberry4577]

The bravery is pretty decent 😢

[@colebeck6528]

I want to clarify as a fan of all these bands that Brandon has grown from this way of thinking and has spoken on it in recent years

[@theripenedheart]

its cozy time

[@Dombobaybee]

I'd love to see more videos. Don't burn yourself out brother.

[@Ran_Dodgers_music]

you always do great stuff man! loved this

[@courtneyn.m.1687]

A 2000s era group that I LOVE is Vedera. I saw them open for Mat Kearney in 2009. So talented honestly one of my favorite vocalists. Please check them out!

[@jszemabathurst1]

THAT ALL SHIRT THO! ❤

[@ReanuKeaves1]

Do a Hit The Lights history video!

[@NoUseForAName0626]

I dont remember hearing anything about this "Band Beef".. 2 totally different bands from different genres. Good stuff Julian/Cozy 🤘

[@kyleschultz550]

You should do a video on The Fray, I don't know many people who like them and I think their first 2 albums were great

[@soully98]

I was far too young to remember this beef even though I did like both bands, still do but I think Pete was just playing into the beef for publicity, I don't think he truly cared what Brandon thought of FOB or the situation at all. He came from the DIY Hardcore scene and when you're in the Punk scene, especially the Hardcore Punk scene you get ego checked real quick.

[@nevermindgaming6848]

The Bravey had one good song unconditional and its a banger

[@ghostlycorpse]

i love your videos sm cozy thank you for them its so hard to find content like this. i havent seen you in a while omg!!! i have so many new videos to catch up on :D

[@kingmcarter]

I remember The Bravery from back in the 2000s. "So give me something to believe. But I am living just to breathe."

[@chasingstars4]

"how could you feel like a superhero if you didn't have an arch nemesis?" is such a pete wentz ass thing to say 😭 like slightly obnoxious but self aware at the same time

[@dollvains]

Also just wanna say I love your videos been watching for a few years now and i always get so excited when I see your vids in my sub box 🥹 :3 ^-^

[@ZANGELIX1263]

Great stuff as always, Julian! Someone in Finn Mckentys chat once suggested you do a video on the full story of Romanceonarocketship! Was his hair real???? The people must know!!! And youre the only one qualified to speak on such matters... also someone probably mentioned it already but just in case, theres a very large concentration of Moromons in Utah and by extension the surrounding Southwest( iirc thats where Mormonism started).

[@DizzyTaj80s]

Hey Cozy thanks for the great videos !! Love your content and the drama and info I missed during those days . Also bring back the beard !! You are a beard guy brotha 🖤!!

[@hotstankygarbage788]

Who thought or said this is the worst youtube channel of all time? I find these videos genuinely interesting. Edit: The bravery SLAPS, first album sounds like a combination of The Killers and Metric. I recommend An Honest Mistake or Fearless

[@miarussell6953]

Loved this video!! ❤

[@userkeepinglock]

had to pause the vid to listen to the only song by the bravery i had liked they’re definitely good

[@MISSMADISONMEDIA]

3:55 Actually yes. The western states like utah, nevada, new mexico, arizona, colarado, and Oregon are like huge Mormon hot spots

[@Yours2Keep138]

Dude I want your Allroy's Revenge shirt! 😅

[@aidenyobear]

Criminally underrated

[@tysmith6925]

Honest Mistake by The Bravery is a jam

[@Bassmanhill84]

Cozy. Being a vegas resident since 91. Being in the music scene from 99 to 2015 . Yes . There is a mormon thing here.

[@berry_cakeisgood]

If Brendon says that being emo is dangerous then wtf does that make him and his band? 💀 the sense isn’t sensing

[@lexidarling]

I've been at the bottom of the happy emo funnel since around 2003, it's nice and cozy down here.

[@ayyyyy9139]

do the a skylit drive vs the original skylit drive dilema

[@katie-annescott533]

the background of your room looks identical to mine in 2013 it makes me so nostalgic 🥲

[@knowwerk5452]

Cozy, did you ever come across the Beat Crusaders??? Would love to know if so!

[@angstmadewizard]

i really don't know how the emo thing went down in the us, but i come from latam and back in 2007-08 -ish, maybe a little later? schools used to hand out these leaflets where they'd explain parents how to spot an emo and how to support them ?? looking back on it i find it ridiculous, but what you said is also true; most songs labeled as emo had this self-deprecating and death-glamorizing tone to them, so i'm not sure if schools were overplaying it or it was a real concern lmao, so hearing that brandon flowers had called it dangerous a couple of years earlier, makes a lot of sense, but also makes it funny. then again, in latam there was a mexican band (not sure if they're still around) that was called PXNDX which was heavily influenced by FOB (they've got a song with a chorus which is a translation of "Nobody puts baby in the corner"'s last lines, but who am i to judge) and their lyrics were quite suicide-driven and in spanish, so everybody could understand, as opposed to fob of p!atd which was limited to english speakers, also (for any people coming from latam) la rosa de guadalupe is an extremely popular thing over here and there's an episode in which the protagonist wants to be emo lmao (you can look up "la rosa de guadalupe Soy emo" to witness true cinema) anyways, watching this video reminded me of reading these tiny magazines they used to sell in my country where they'd talk about alternative/younger-people music back in the late 00s where i'm sure i read something about this beef and it made me nostalgic. great video!!

[@zarazeitlow7215]

The Mormons were the first permanent non native settlement in the Vegas valley. The fort is still up to go see I believe it’s at Floyd lamb state park.

[@Kat_C95]

Dying at your description of the inner workings (or lack thereof) of Brendon Urie 🤣 I don’t really know sh*t about the dude but why does it sound so true?! 💀

[@ericalexanderson3442]

the only song i remember by The Bravery is 'Time Won't let Me Go,' but i think it was in a movie or something?

[@its-the-FNG]

Loving the ALL shirt!

[@sueblue3080]

Maybe you could do something over Thursday or LS Dunes,? Love the shows 😘

[@sugarcube5826]

"I'm sure there's someone worse than me" Well you didn't pull out a ukulele in the first five seconds of the video so I think you're good bestie 🙏

[@mizz333]

there is definitely a mormon thing in Vegas lol the neighborhood i grew up in was right between my high school and a morman church. actually the high school that Ronnie Radke and this friends were at when the shooting took place

[@Nubstep94]

Pete Wentz saying in response “It’s too bad you wrote a couple of good songs, otherwise it’d be much easier to write you off” sounds like it would be the title of a From Under The Cork Tree FOB song 😂❤

[@ElTigrre8]

The Bravery rocks dude!! :(

[@peach-jt9sh]

everything about this situation is hilarious

[@jevinday]

Yes, there is actually a high population of Mormons in Vegas. All of the major cities around salt lake have high populations of mormons because the Mormons branched out of salt lake and made settlements elsewhere (Vegas, Phoenix, SoCal)

[@katiehood2526]

Honestly you're probably not wrong about mormons in vegas! there's loads of em in Utah and the 15 freeway goes right thru all of Utah and straight into Vegas!

[@rohantherevolution]

one of the best youtube channels you mean.