The Kingkiller Chronicle | True Identity of Taborlin The Great?

This video contains spoilers for The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss
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[@KaelDenna]

kvothe stuck behind the stone door. Iax is behind the door. taborlin is behind the door. auri is the moon. Kvothe steals the moon. jax steals the moon. jax is lanre. lanre is heliax. heliax is in a cloak of shadows. Kvothe is in a cloack of shadows. felurian is the lady of twilight, bast is the prince of twilight, Kvothe names that horse twilight, he ends up being called one sock. i'm wearing one sock. i'm confused. every one is everyone. fuck me i want book three already

[@rakanal.2925]

For a sec i though he might up to something 😂😂

[@justinmodessa5444]

Yeah I've noticed that. Everyone is everything. I think that's gonna be something that becomes very apparent in book 3

[@ParksInYourPocket]

Pretty simple, the Cthaeh could start a prophecy centuries earlier when talking with someone else. Knowing the story would spread and feed a sense of adventure in a man that would come see it later. This will help Kvothe cause even more damage because he sees everything he is doing as mirroring a righteous hero. When in fact he is working destruction.

[@Jasonmakesvideo]

nemo vi the real question is what the etymology of taborlin

[@finalfrontier001]

that terrible story writing i hope its not the case. In fact there is more evidence that Tabolin is real character that fought the chandrian.

[@patrickhill8494]

@nemo vi Defeating the Cthae is unlikely to be the climax of Kvothe's story. Rothfuss has stated that this trilogy is meant to be a primer, or prequel of sorts, to his other intended works in this setting. That being said, you may be right. I agree that the Cthae appears to be the most threatening antagonist in the series. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[@mphdevelopment183]

I was just thinking the exact same thing!! The Cthaeh is the one thing in the story that can manipulate time. The Cthaeh can interact with people/Fae to influence them but can't lie. It however can manipulate. If the Cthaeh told stories of Taborlin the Great, while knowing that by telling the story, it's creating a sort of self originated prophecy, the Cthaeh would not be lying and just creating a preordained destiny type situation of Kvothe becoming Taborlin through it's foresight. Patrick Rothfuss told us from the beginning that this story is about stories and how they progress/change over time The Cthaeh might be the origin of a lot of folklore that influences the world, not out of malice, but just as being a being that has foresight. I hope Rothfuss doesn't delve into the complexities of space time, even in the fantasy world setting, unless he sets some clear limits in his fantasy universe. Time is a tough one to mess with though so Hopefully I'm wrong.

[@abcarlson3293]

Yeah...Pat said something along the lines of all the stories are one and the same. My main issue with that statement was how the hell kvothe could be taborlin. This theory makes it possible without getting all timey wimey and I like it.

[@mjfranolich3681]

Taborlin also sounds a lot like Elodin. Elodin was also locked up in a high structure that was thought to be unescapable, but by calling the name of stone and wind he made his escape. He works on a council with 7 other people (7 Chandrian) and at one point in the book the Chancellor, as he is speaking, mentions 7 councillors, before correcting himself and saying 8. There's also the fact that Lorren called Kvothe into his office to question him about his curiosity in the Amyr and Chandrian when he saw his entry, using the excuse that he noticed it while helping a new worker attend his duties. Curious he didn't give a name for that worker. Even more curious that he would go out of his way to have a discussion with Kvothe about that when he is notoriously distant. I found his excuse that he wanted to protect Kvothe from the impression of boyish fancy to be paltry. Stick with me. Let's assume Denna's version of events is true. Selitos is the monster, and Haliax is the tragic hero. I saw a fan theory that the Chandrian would then be working to defeat the Cthaeh, the greatest evil. It would explain why the Cthaeh set Kvothe against them, why he spent so much of their sparse time together taunting Kvothe about the manner of his parents death. Let's say the Chandrian are in fact working towards the greater good, and are erasing any evidence of their true names so that the Cthaeh doesn't get power over them. If they wished to defeat it, that is a brutal but necessary task. Now let's say they need a cover for the mortal world. What better way to devise a cover than build a University with an expansive library where they can directly control the information in books, AND monitor what others are reading into? This would also explain why there have been so many attempted changes in the library's organizational system, even though every change only serves the purpose of making things more confused. They want things to be disorganized and hard to find. It gives them another layer of protection. Of course I just finished both books for the first time, so this is very much a working theory! Just struck me that the parallels between Taborlin and Elodin are very apparent!

[@Taitenger]

Also, to your point about brutal but necessary work, I thought of the autopsy guy (I forget his name at the moment) who did terrible things, but advanced human medicine. Kvothe and friends even have a philosophical debate about the merits of such an approach. Seems like a very Pat like allegory to prep us for the truth of the Chandrian. But really, I think it’s far more likely the Amir are the brutal but justice keepers. Or one in the same with the Chandrian.

[@MrF33h]

That's interesting, but what about the Chandrian signs of their presence, like the blue flames? Could the council hide somehow their on powers or the signs would only show if they wanted to?

[@randymiles7023]

Perhaps the signs of the Chandrian are used to distract, and hide their true identity: when they can disappear easily, they display the signs. When they are living incognito lives (at the University) they keep choose not to display the signs.

[@smithsmith422]

@@pablogilvan6341 this is very difficult to overcome if one wants to accept the theory as interesting as it is.. and plausible

[@stevassallo]

@@pablogilvan6341 Could be torture... Nothing's certain, but yeah I guess it's possible. Horrible

[@Snafu_Z]

The cloak of no particular color is likely due to the fact that Kvothe frequently gets new cloaks. So the color is not agreed upon from story to story.

[@strictlyfantasy]

I like this idea!

[@thebluesmurfdude]

I had the same thought as I was hearing this theory as well! :). Glad someone else was thinking it xD

[@jhonnylacksville6765]

@@strictlyfantasy havent finished vid yet but how else could you explain his shade? hardly noticable. sometimes its hard to elaborate on the details of a mysterious object and explain it properly in a story...

[@0ceanOfStorms]

no that comes from the cloak he gets in the second book, which is voven from shadows

[@Snafu_Z]

@@0ceanOfStorms I think the shade is a red herring in this situation. Kvothe showed us with his Chronicler story, how a story teller will take facts and twist them into something spectacular.

[@tokkenme]

"I am a myth" Kote said easily, making an extravagant gesture. "A very special kind of myth that creates itself."

[@jhherkert]

Taborlin = Elodin after he walked the road to Tinue whilst “chasing the wind”

[@mathewpankratz5767]

that seems like afar more reasonable explanation than some invented prophecy. the video is ridiculous.

[@devonsmith7731]

Is it possible elodin is kvothe telling the story about himself all the while criticizing his past self

[@felipecorpuz2476]

@@devonsmith7731 Rothfuss confirmed that Elodin is of Faen blood, so no

[@abigailslade3824]

@@felipecorpuz2476 it’s possible Kvothe also has Fean blood

[@arukinagoto1032]

Abigail Slade No, he hasn’t. His father is an Edena Ruh (human) and his mother (probably) is a Lackless.

[@RoccoGuyBoiThing]

This is the first Kingkiller theory I've found on KZbin I hadn't already considered in some capacity. This is awesome.

[@finalfrontier001]

destiny driven story is awesome? this will kill kkc if it iks true.

[@marcusrodger]

I was feeling really overwhelmed this morning. Then your video popped up. Now my mind is in a better place. Thank you once again!

[@ensifolium]

I watched this video back to back with the theory where Kvothe becomes the new seventh Chandrian and seals his name away so he can't be used for evil. I really like the merging of these two theories and how it nicely parallels Denna and Kvothes conflicting Ideas about Lanre. Denna sees Lanre as a hero, but he's actually a Chandrian. Kvothe sees Taborlin as a hero, but Taborlin (a cryptic prophesy about Kvothe) ultimately becomes a Chandrian himself. That would be a pretty cool parallel.

[@kvothekingkiller1754]

Last time I was this early, my father Arliden had to call the midwife in the middle of the night.

[@lipeeefl]

About auri gifts, I think she only gives what she thinks fit with kvothe. She has that knack, probably related to naming, about the objects being in the place they belong to

[@boulton2]

I love your deep dives so dang much. Thank you for all the thought, time and energy you've poured into these theories.

[@cbrowne1283]

Really enjoyed this video - I had never considered this possibility.

[@lalithanagarajan1055]

Thank you so much for making this video. I have been searching for a video that could explain the relevance of the Taborlin the great in this story other than being an interesting anecdote strewn here and there. You brought out the possibility of Kvothe becoming another Taborlin, beautifully. Superb.

[@jadamgreen]

Could the prison of stone be the Waystone Inn? Maybe it's a metaphor. Even if not, the Taborlin/Kvothe parallel may make the Waystone like Taborlin's cell.

[@slyder181x]

When Kvothe was in the Fey Realm. At one point Felurian is telling Kvothe about the Fey Realm and says "That way is morning and that way is night" (or something like that, its been a while since I read the books). That made me think you could travel through time in the Fey Realm. So Kvothe could travel back in time and become Taborlin.

[@johnmontag]

Thank you for making these video's! Please keep making more 😀

[@pairot01]

's is not for plurals, it denotes possession. "The video's X" is the same as "the X of the video" Sometimes apostrophes are used as contraction, "it's" means "it is"

[@Mrs.Tincher]

So glad I found your channel. Great Videos. The artwork in your videos is incredible.

[@saursoar]

Your videos are so good just keep going!!

[@kvothethebloodless3361]

I’m re-audiobook-reading NOTW and this beat pops up. Another amazing video thanks!

[@InsuranceSpecialist]

Whoah....just found this channel and loooove it! Beautiful and well done art with considerate consideration behind theory 👏

[@cloudbloom]

Love these videos, can't freaking wait for book 3!

[@candyscott489]

Thanks for your videos !! I’m new & only in to my second King Killer Chronicles book. Just found you yesterday, I’m going to wait to see this video. 🍭🍭🍭

[@clementtsao5199]

These videos are great, please continue to make more.

[@Shawayze]

Man great stuff. I had the same thought on my second read through. Thanks for helping me not feel alone on the thoughts.

[@DiscreetStigma]

Solid theory on Selitos being the originator of the Taborlin stories in the form of prophecy. I like that. I agree with a lot of what you said. I also think that Taborlin is sort of a patchwork story, taking on pieces from other great heroes and blending into his own. So Taborlin escaping the tower may just be Eldodin, but escaping underground may be Kvothe, for example. I think the coin, key, and candle, are super relevant. I actually have a small theory that the coin has a power to change other coins in Kvothe’s purse to be exactly what he needs at the time he needs it. I feel like after he gets it there are a couple of times where he’s like “I don’t remember where I’d gotten that coin, but I was lucky to have it...” something like that. I look forward to more stuff.

[@obibellowme]

One time where he had the rare coin he needed I belive it was an Aturan silver penny when he made the deal with Devi to pause the loan

[@alwaysoutnumber4d]

Awesome job mate, thanks so much for this it's a great theory.

[@thecomet6276]

Kvothe said he always imagined taborlin’s cloak as being kind of quilted. Bast has a quilted blanket at the end of TWMF. Kvothe had a quilted blanket as a child when he slept on the roof in Tarbean. However, Elodin SOUNDS like Taborlin and he does break the wall of the rookery. So... who knows? But, great video!! I love this theory.- I replied before the video was over. You made the quilted blanket connection too 👍

[@SherwoodsCrafts]

Late to the party, but I just thought of something when it comes to Taborlin's "cloak of no particular color". Could it be that since Kvothe has a different cloak for every journey in his life: his childhood cloak, His patched cloak in Tarbean, His cloak he sacrifices to save Fela, Fela's gifted cloak (green), the Maer's cloak (Red), His mercenary cloak (Worn-out), and his Shaed cloak. Imagine the different people and story tellers telling his stories, only to have somebody contradict the color of his cloak from his other exploits, so to save time and avoid arguments they just say "A Cloak of "no particular" color". I thought it would be an interesting way to explain why it isn't any particular color. It's also weird that Patrick Rothfuss would use that precise wording, seeing how much of a perfectionist he is in words and names. Because if it was any form of color, it'd be easy to describe as they've described all of his cloaks and everyone's so descriptly throughout the books. But because there are potentially contradicting colors, or that the color could change, it's then a cloak of no particular color.

[@lalithanagarajan1055]

I always wondered about the connection between Kvothe and Taborlin. Sometimes I thought Elodin is the Taborlin as he says the same words of the Taborlin story in the first book when they were in the crockery. Yours is a brilliant idea that Taborlin is a prophecy which Kvothe is going to become. It appeals very well. Superb. Very much convincing.

[@matthewparker9276]

I think that, thematically, it makes more sense for taborlin to have not existed. Taborlin is representative of the "ideal hero" so when kvothe's journey mirrors that of taborlin, it is him becoming a hero, and when he inevitably falls, it will be in contrast to taborlin. The kingkiller chronicles is a story of stories, so this makes sense. The story of taborlin being a prophecy is an interesting theory, and I don't think it will be contradicted on canon, but nor do I think it will be confirmed. But most of the signs of taborlin seem quite generic to me. The cloak of no particular colour, so it could be any cloak, and the sword are staples of adventuring, naming is just the highest power in the world that we are presented, and the key coin and candle represent the mundane, while also having the motif of things occurring in threes that we see in other elements of the story. He appears to be the hero that can take on anyone's story. The only distinct feature is a copper sword, which is unusual given the power given to iron in the world. Great video.

[@nacho007]

Great video!

[@ProfessorBear510]

Okay that is a really cool idea!

[@jeevinparhar1222]

This was a very good video thank you

[@aspenwarden417]

First of all-great theory!! I love it!! Second of all- I am mildly annoyed by these drawings sometimes because he is supposed to be 14-16 and a lot of the drawings make him look in his late 20s, which ruins that amazement and anticipation of his later years.

[@jacobadams9876]

I always pictured Taborlin's cloak as extremely reflective, like a mirror. A mirror doesn't really have a color, after all.

[@JesusIsAMoose]

My theory is that travelling in the Fae and exiting from a different area than where you entered will let you travel through time, forward or backward. Kote becomes Kvothe again, travels back in time, and then becomes Taborlin.

[@anthonyprevost3968]

Hmmm interesting theory. Personally I don’t subscribe to the theory of Kvothe being taborlin but the theory on the Fae being closely connected to time itself is a interesting one indeed.

[@joshsimmons8552]

Really well done.

[@RazvanCosti]

It really affects me to watch these deep-dives into the rich lore of the Kingkiller chronicle, knowing Pat’s writer’s block and the fact that all this amazing universe’s explanation and satisfying end will just sit dumped in a computer folder and/or scattered between Pat’s thoughts

[@troylink2887]

I feel the exact same way. The 3rd book isn’t not happening. And He planned for this series to be the prequel to another 3 book series…what could have been. I honestly don’t think book 3 will happen until Patrick dies and someone else finishes it. But then maybe whoever that is can do the entire 2nd follow up trilogy as well?

[@Ellalalaful]

Quick thought to add: what if Elodin is Taborlin and wants to guide Kvothe. And as he is also kind of in contact with Auri, somehow gets her to gift Kvothe the Key, Coin and Candle. Maybe there’s some sense in that?

[@cornelljohnson8224]

I think it more likely that Elodin is Taborlin.

[@anthonyparra9553]

I think Patrick accidentally said he is half fae

[@socio637]

Woah

[@IrishCollegeGirl]

This was awesome! I love your KKC videos and frequently recommend them :)

[@kylewood2715]

Puppet for Taborlin...just because. Also, nice theory on Taborlin being a planted prophecy.

[@strictlyfantasy]

Honestly, I'm quite suspicious of Puppet. I think he's more than what he appears to be. He could be Taborlin, an Amyr or even Cyphus... Thanks for commenting :)

[@lipeeefl]

@@strictlyfantasy I doubt he is taborlin. But I am like 90% sure puppet is an Amyr. He is the only one who can wield fire in the archives, and guess what can be noticed by a change in the fire? The chandrian

[@jhonnylacksville6765]

@@poopsmelledbackwardsisstil611 i came around a theory that said, devi can get access to any book she wants, theres something more to her desire, could she be after the four plate door? made me think that fela and kvothe had dreams of door and they are both connected to devi, just something about this makes sense, maybe the demon he makes a deal with

[@estebanuno1]

Great video.

[@leigh2781]

The artwork is just amaxing

[@Nothing2seeh3r]

There are several theories about what lies behind the doors of stone in the archives. It may just be plain knowledge, but doors of stone have been used as metaphors for death. Lyra apparently had the power to open and close these doors, bringing Lanre back from the dead, and closing them again so he could not die. Metaphorically, of course. Maybe Taborlin breaking free of the room of smooth stone relates to Kvothe opening the Doors of Stone, i.e. conquering death in some way, or opening the locked box in his room.

[@gaaberu5728]

I think "The Doors of Stone" refers to the big rocks on the side of the roads, not the doors in the archives...

[@Rozorov1]

I have thought along these lines for a while now, I am in the "Kvothe is Taborlin" school of thought. For me the greatest clue is how his items seem to be the same as Taborlin's. Kvothe's cloak is obviously his shaed cloak, the sword is obviously his sword and the gram is the amulet, the candle is his sympathy lamp and his lockpicks for the key but my theory has no equivalent for the staff. Didn't realise Auri gave him those things it is something new to think on. Great theory!

[@williamhoward7121]

I believe the lochless box will be opened by Kvothe using the magnet he obtained from the Tinker in book 2. I believe It will contain the secret for opening the 4 plate door.

[@FolksFan]

I think Taborlin is a tool for contrast. The chronicle is much about the true story behind legends and the contrast between hearing a story and being the main character of the story. Probably we will learn more about it sometime in the far future of book 3, but I think the story has a true background but not just one but multiple stories mashed up into one with much fiction on the top.

[@oswin5775]

This is an awesome theory! I love the idea of a legend planted throughout time in order to reach Kvothe. Literal chills right now!!

[@nipsy_lafett]

Remember when eloden freaked out and thought Fella renamed herself. I bet that was a premonition eluding to Kvothe had done this and that’s why he was accepting his life as a way side in owner

[@maevenbranna8951]

I think the Taberlin tale is used As a clever way to hide instructions for defeating the Chandrian, it is not specifically meant as a prophecy of Kvothe, but it becomes a prophecy by subtly informing him of how to achieve his ends.

[@cipherion]

Well done.

[@agiftofflame]

This isn't particularly a part of this theory but this particular line struck me on my latest of many rereads. It's a line from Chronicler. "So this is the difference between hearing a story and being in one, the fear" I'm paraphrasing ofc, but I feel this line implies the story is very much still ongoing. Wether the interludes in day 3 will progress the story moreso than Day 1 & 2, or what I'm very much hoping for, there will be more books. I very much hope the story will progress beyond the past exploits of Kvothe.

[@maku8075]

Japan needs to make this into a anime ASAP. Before Hollywood ruins it.

[@scrooge_456]

wow this is a really good theory

[@Janopooh]

How did you get all this information? I just read the book, now I feel lost.

[@TheJamielh0724]

I understand what your saying, I've read the books twice and when I go you tube and see all the info and theories im like wait, what when did that happen?!. Its like im back in College English class and the teacher is asking me about symbolism. Like I dont know I just read the damn book and loved it.!! Lmao

[@thomascheadle8959]

Could the Cthaeh have been the one to start the original story of Taborlin with the thought of his story being the influence for a certain person (Kvothe) to eventually become said person

[@ge0grethehammer591]

The prophecy could have been planted by the kthey, rather than cellotose; leading to tragedy. (Sorry for spelling, I listened to the audiobook)

[@randalltempelaar]

I think it's Catheah or something close.

[@perasperaadastra8665]

Ctaethe

[@t-rexfalcon-6436]

@@perasperaadastra8665 Cthaeh

[@matthewparker9276]

And I think the other is kalitos.

[@matthewparker9276]

My bad. Selitos.

[@lichtderdunkelheit7837]

Really intresting idea. But for it to be a prophecy i can Not think but that a lute of some would be mentioned. Without ambrose destroying his second lute He May still dont know the Name of the Wind. Maybe even given up on Naming after the First Semester. Thx to his music He Spike to denna, who is the reason for the gram and lead him to the chandrian drawing if i remeber correctly. Music is so Essential to kvoth that i wonder how it woudnt be mentioned. Tarbirlin the great feels more like every Story of a namer combined, from the Times where u need to study Naming to move up in the arcanum, where names still where respected and Not some magical obscurrity, fusing together in this one overhelming character taborlin the great Haß become. Sure, it influenced kvothe, but the Story beeing taillored for him? Dunno, i dont See that

[@jurekro]

I really liked this theory. I don't necessarily agree that Taborlin is a prophecy, but I can see it as a possibility. I really liked your point that if there is the Cthae, there might also be a counter part to it. I think that could be a great way to counter balance the "evil" doings of the Cthae. Some people meet the Cthae, some the counter part, some both and some neither. In total it should lead to a balance. Kvothe story might be out of balance, because he personally met the Cthae, leading to a drama in his life. But the world is still in balance. We will only see once the third book is out, although some of these questions sure will remain unanswered or up to speculation. :)

[@ToolforOffice]

Just finished the first two books. Looking forward to the third in a couple months!

[@Merrick]

oh my sweet summer child

[@michaeldownie2724]

As someone who bought name of the wind when it was first released I admire your enthusiasm its been a long 9 years friend

[@MrPleers]

The chance that the Titanic will resurface and complete the trip to New York is more likely than Rothfuss finishing his trilogy at this point.

[@Thestaalos]

unfortunately for all of us, this didnt age well

[@ToolforOffice]

@@Thestaalos just re read it for the fourth time. Still love the books. People are mad over this last book.

[@anthonyprevost3968]

I have a thought for ya. Does anyone other than myself harbor the suspicion that Kvothe is incapable of dying? Honestly it seems like he should’ve died like ten times over by now but every time he goes beyond the doors of stone he returns stronger than before. Sure he probably can die like anyone else but I don’t think he’s capable of staying dead if you catch my drift

[@jt364]

'the sorcery king'.... And you think he's going to kill him? Could this be the King due to be killed? Or is our money still on a 'few small steps' falling over and making Ambrose a king? Love the content 🙏

[@obibellowme]

I think that the King being killed is Rodrick Calanthis, the current king, there’s a good reddit thread on it

[@ianpike9866]

YALL PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN THE 3RD BOOK COMES OUT IM WAITING SO PATIENTLY

[@curtiswfranks]

I was thinking that the tower sounds like the Lackless box, but I believe that to be directly connected to the Four-Plate Door anyway. To me, the two theories are actually, somehow, the same.

[@moonlightfinger]

It's a quite interesting theory.

[@vvenkat111]

where is that bgm from? I just can't put my hand on it!

[@pablomartinezgarcia3599]

Hi i apreciate a lot your work i have a group of questions abaut translation because i read the story on spanish i wonder if you can help me thanks

[@IrishCollegeGirl]

Have you checked out KKC on reddit? There are lots of bilingual readers there

[@phillipsherbrook5179]

Since we know that KKC is a trilogy set up to be a prequel to the story of fixing the present days problems it would be interesting to see Eloden be the one who has to set out to fix everything and fulfill the prophecy in doing so.

[@crispykringlecakes5702]

this goes deep

[@alexmarkadonis7179]

I think learning the truth behind the Taborlin stories will teach Kvothe how to defeat the Chandrian. I think the stories are of Lanre. Tabor Lanre or Lanre the Great. In a way, you are right. It is prophetic but also revelatory.

[@OlorinMayar]

The original theory (from 5 years ago) from which this video is heavily inspired from can be found on reddit under the title of "[KKC Spoilers all] Taborlin is the *real* story.".

[@vivecthepoet36]

"All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again"

[@christpower5402]

Where did you get these visuals?

[@geeklord1234]

interesting fact: Scyphus the king the locks taborlin might be cyphus (he who bears the blue flame) that might mean that taborlin might be older than the creation war

[@obibellowme]

But then Felurian would’ve Heard- of him..

[@finalfrontier001]

@@obibellowme how do you know she is not lying?

[@obibellowme]

What motive would she have to lie?

[@geeklord1234]

Could taborlin just have different name that felurian knows?

[@finalfrontier001]

@@obibellowme who knows maybe she is also evil.

[@juanbautistaochando800]

Please, add the option of subtitles to be able to generate them automatically. Thanks.

[@TheImmortalTraveller]

I never understood where the pronunciation "Tab-Er-lin" comes from? Tons of people say it like this, and each to their own. But isn't "Tab-Or-Lin" a more obvious (and evidently correct) pronunciation?

[@eddiet7228]

This guy mispronounces most of the names and book words which don’t have a real life equivalent. I think he’s just read the books and then accepted his pronunciation as the correct one.

[@abcarlson3293]

He has the key, coin and candle. Ceasura could be the "copper sword" as the Adem swords are made of a mystery metal that may be resistant to naming. What if the thrice locked chest gets Shaped into a "staff the holds most of his power"?...

[@al6374]

MORE!

[@Isambardify]

I think the parallel between these characters illustrates the difference between reality and legend. The most amazing stories about Kvothe are exaggerated or made up as he says himself. I think Tarborlin might be a reminder to the reader that stories can sometimes be just stories. We're told Kvothe has killed angels and demons and assume he will assume godlike powers in the final day of the story. Maybe in fact there is a more mundane explanation for his supposed feats.

[@QuincyOp93]

I like your video, but how did you read the books, made a theory and yet still don't know how to pronounce Kvothe

[@andewtheo6643]

quoth knew just about as many stories as felurian because while she was ancient she didn't get out that much. so it is very possible that she had simply never heard the stories of taberlan

[@dominicbellamy5408]

I assumed that Tarborlin's amulet was a grammerie, possibly impling that he is implemented in the founding of the University.

[@waterfallcloud]

Not sure if it's been said already, but bast has a patchwork blanket not unlike one of kvothe's imaginings of taborlin's cloak. Maybe kvothe got it or made it bc he was inspired by taborlin stories, then gave it to bast.

[@darbymckilkannoncaid3279]

your pronunciation of Kvothe is killing me man

[@fanboy59]

In the name of the wind Kvothe tells chronicler he’s met him implying that he must be real and will appear later on

[@conorlong6243]

kvothes life is an example of the possible origins of taborlins story i think small snippets of information leftover after many centuries but through kvothe we the readers are given the pleasure of understanding in his world what the facts on mythical heros really are we are in the know through kvothe but i dont really beleive he is taborlin i think perhaps its an example of many stories all being part of the same story history repeats itself life goes in cycles

[@kassandramitchell4232]

We know so much of the myths of Kvothe are extorted! The key aspect should be analysed but some of those theories are buying into it too much for pat's works. He has said himself he wanted to show how stories and myths are like Chinese whispers.

[@strictlyfantasy]

Indeed, you have a point there. As I was working on this video, I started to think how I could easily be like one of those rumormongers in Pat's world. :) It's best to take each of these theories with a grain of salt.

[@Mysticpoisen]

Incredible video. Not sure I like the idea of Taborlin being a mirror of Kvothe. The Taborlin in Kvothe is merely the arcane aspect. Taborlin is a namer, not an arcanist, and definitely not a musician. Meanwhile the foil to Taborlin in the books is Illien, the legendary trouper. These are merely the stories Kvothe draws from to shape himself, I doubt there's any other direct connection between them.

[@jhonnylacksville6765]

there is only one story, just many pieces that come together to form one

[@hakanhayta1102]

I dont enjoy reading theories anymore. It was fun at first because i thought the story would end we would see if our theories were right. But now it just seems pointless. He'll never write the third book and i can't enjoy the first two anymore knowing its left unfinished

[@stephalloplayz]

An interesting theory, but I have two problems with it: 1. Kvothe's story is a tragedy. We see the Cteah in the cover of the first book, which Bast tells us is used as a sign of tragedy in Fae plays. Furthermore, we already know the ending of the story, and Kvothe has said that his story ends in tragedy. Why would Selitos try to lead the world to destruction? It may be that it is one of those "a step backwards to go forwards" situations, but that leads into my next point. 2. Why would the Cteah lead Kvothe further down this path? If Selitos was trying to guide Kvothe, he would guide him as far away from the Cteah as possible for this reason. One solution to this problem is that Selitos is, in fact, the Cteah and was only later bound to the tree, but there are other problems with this. However, Denna's version of the tale of Lanre does point in this direction.

[@fuzzyslippas]

Kvothe can’t measure up because he changed the nature of his name by locking a part of it up in that chest.

[@madmann6723]

In the exchanges between Aurie and Kvothe does it not seem odd that she has given him a coin, key and candle? More importantly that they came from the underthing...I think that's what's in his chest. 🤔

[@CorrinaMusic]

Hey all - just wrote a song inspired by the chapter 'The Lay of Felurian' from The Wise Man's Fear - check it out! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIqyfp-Kq7KYaZo

[@nemonomen3340]

You’d think if it was a prophecy about Kvothe, he would be called Kvothe the Great. But maybe Kvothe will eventually change his name to Taberlin. Maybe he even changes his true name to become Taberlin. I’m not sure what the implications of that are, though.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Not realy, most prophecies are written in symbolism and give things different names. Like "the Prince that was promised" dreaming you will birth torch instead of your child that will cause the burning down of your City. . . .just let it have a meaning and we are good.

[@jeffj7608]

I've heard a version of this where kvothe literally time travels this the far realm, and I really didn't like it. But a reverse Cthae that can only tell stories I quite like.

[@obibellowme]

Damn what if Scarpi is the reverse Cthae

[@greenguy369]

I read these books... But sometimes when other people discuss them I start to feel like I must have been sleeping with my eyes open. Hahaha

[@joeplumley3238]

Kvothe after losing denna. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. finds the name of time and goes back to insure his story is remembered through time by calling himself taborlin.

[@andofcourseceltic2958]

I think kvothe will learn the name of copper and this is how he will kill a chandrian

[@Senzeil]

Most likely, copper doesn't have name

[@pablodm9]

@@Senzeil he will grant it one