The Last Loki video: Narcissism and Self-Love

Love, save us once
We'll fall from where we crawled
Love, save us once
Beware what you want
Trust us now
It's time to let me go
Give up on us
Follow what you want
Trust us now
It's time to let me go
Give up
Give our soul away
Now you will go
Save us once
We'll never let go
Where we crawled
The memories are wrong
Save us once
We'll never wake up
What you thought you want
Trust us now
It's time to let me go
Give up for now
Follow what you want
Trust us, now it's time to let me go
Give up
Give our soul away
Remember with love
It's time to let me never let go
Follow in your memories alone
It's time to let me never let go
We die alone
Contents:
0:00 - Introduction
1:28 - Understanding Infinity Saga Loki
4:40 - Understanding Season 1 Loki
9:08 - Obligatory music tribute
11:06 - Discussions
12:28 - Conclusion
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[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

The end...... (I also plan to make an essay on Sylvie and trauma, but I got to take a break from this show first cuz it's been like 2 months)

[@kritichaplot5025]

Yes an essay on Sylvie and even Mobius would be great! Once you've taken your break 😄

[@benparrish672]

you have a great channel. i do get the impression tho that you may have been through some TRAUMA

[@inazuma3gou]

Yay! Trauma!

[@stilloslachen6519]

YES TO SYLVIE AND TRAUMA

[@molly4566]

YAYY I’m so looking forward to your Sylvie essay! Enjoy your break x

[@Aloisk2012]

But does Loki love himself more than Owen Wilson loves his jetski though?

[@DJosAmmel]

Not. Possible.

[@kapaya2634]

That's unlikely

[@xsanguine8]

Well, he respects himself and his life choices, that's just gonna have to do for now.

[@Gundam_JAY]

Yes

[@erikboncoref.7020]

Definitely doubt it, but maybe we'll see in Season 2 or in Multiverse of Madness

[@vesstig]

I really like how the show tackled free will vs determinism

[@jmgidk1481]

i love it too. it’s like the theme of the show is self acceptance and discovery through the realization of freewill and it’s possibilities.

[@yeoldpepsi]

Like you always would have ! :)

[@Glitch-qj3nj]

How?

[@genericuser-1]

free will and determinism are not mutually exclusive

[@basicsimp8798]

@@georgepeterjoubert7482 I mean if you don't know that people didn't have free will when the TVA was around then you're just downright stupid. Loki discussed this in length. Watch it again.

[@deeznuts23yearsago]

“Love thy self” Loki: “don’t mind if I do”

[@papl20]

The character development in this show was so beautiful, subtle and tragic too. We saw Loki's own growth and Sylvie's lack of it. Ultimately, I think it's great because Loki put Sylvie in this type of pedestal, she was a sort of "rol model" he was willing to follow, so with what she did, he can see her more as someone he could help, after all he kept saying " *we* made a mistake ". Where she was a guiding light, now he will become one. It will be great because we'll see her able to grow too. I'm really excited about what's to come, really hoping loki will appear in some movie, even as a cameo.

[@SVLTAN99]

Loki surprised everyone, proving to be one of the best mcu content to be released so far.

[@____uncompetative]

Yes. It is a lot better than _Captain America: Civil War._

[@Tim_Belay]

Loki is the best out of D+ shows so far, not having focus all over the place like WV and not falling apart in the end like TFATWS

[@SVLTAN99]

@@Tim_Belay very well said

[@TheLadyIntegra]

Thank God someone pointed out that loving Silvie isn't narcissistic...that argument always struck me as absurdly missing the point of what narcissism actually is xD

[@josephivenegas]

"But what happens when you bring in Romantic love?" ***cuts to Sasquach Soap Salesman ad***

[@gridlock489]

“You’ll always be the god of mischief- but you could be more” paired with Old Loki’s last stand… Powerful montage in the Music Tribute chapter. Bravo!

[@SVLTAN99]

Loki, the clone wars, and the mandalorian are the best Disney plus shows and some of the best shows to be released recently period.

[@ninjanibba4259]

WandaVision too

[@SVLTAN99]

agreed ninja

[@pinklemons7254]

One thing, that is actually an instagram post, that really hit me about this show is one that talks about the the current MCU villains. How Thanos is a god who died as a man, and HWR is a man who lived as a dod. If the current state of the MCU, or MCM now, is anything to go by, as well as those statements, I could the see the next villain being Dr. Doom. A man who lived and died as a god.

[@pinklemons7254]

And if this is also anything to go by, then that would mean Loki is a god who lived as a man. Edit: Yes, a DC character XD

[@munk.]

Homies gonna end up trapped in the source wall with all those divine ambitions 😔

[@pinklemons7254]

@Andehui Matadamas He Who Remains XD

[@littlesamu5920]

HWR?

[@littlesamu5920]

@@pinklemons7254 oh nvm

[@ninjanibba4259]

Your videos are proof of why I keep defending the MCU to haters that just don’t get it, it’s too layered and it’s characters have constant consequences and growth I wish the world could your stuff cuz you’re spot on always

[@____uncompetative]

Thank you for these insightful video essays. They have really improved my appreciation of the character study being done here in _Loki._

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Next season, Owen Wilson should get that jet ski.

[@antonissa8345]

Loki was a really mind blowing show and the only complaint I have is that episode 6 didn’t have a post credits scene. Wandavision still has the best post credits scenes since it’s the only ones of the shows so far that we KNOW were they lead. The Monica one foreshadows The Marvels and the other one Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness. I’m still unsure on what The Falcon And The Winter Soldier’s post credits scene leads to. Armor Wars? Secret Invasion? Captain America 4?

[@Glitch-qj3nj]

Many series not have after credits scenes and?

[@CorvinaNoirManra]

Falcon leads to Hawkeye

[@antonissa8345]

@@Glitch-qj3nj the post credits scenes has become an staple of the MCU

[@DocEonChannel]

I'd say Monica's scene is probably more related to Secret Invasion. Sharon's stealing of secrets feels more like it'll lead to Armor Wars.

[@kall]

Clicked the notification instantly! Shame that it's the last one on Loki, your videos on this series were really good! :D

[@asmmovies0220]

THE EDITING OF THE SECTION BEFORE THE DISCUSSION HOLY SMOKES WOWO

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

lol thanks 😂 I delayed the video a whole day just to get it right

[@asmmovies0220]

@@ImplicitlyPretentious Well worth the wait! :)

[@krombopulost4699]

Yeah, Loki is my favorite character in the MCM. No, I didn't get it wrong. It is the MCM now

[@deeobrien5417]

I love your videos man, like you’re so sincere snd so good at psychological analysis but then throw in your bone dry humour out of nowhere making me spit-take my tea 🫖☕️🤪🤤😵‍💫

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww thank you so much! It's relieving to know my dryness registers well 😂

[@deeobrien5417]

@@ImplicitlyPretentious oh boy does it! And the juxtaposition of it with the sincerity snd seriousness makes it this brilliant unexpected like left turn when we seemed yo be going straight ahead! Love it! 😳😂😂

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I wonder if Kid Loki is going to be with the Young Avengers.

[@mettxl6608]

He may be apart of it, same with wanda’s twins, and hawkeye’s daughter and even Morgan and M A Y B E ms marvel

[@ms.antithesis]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic..

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@ms.antithesis no, just speculating. Though, I could making a safe bet.

[@ms.antithesis]

@@katherinealvarez9216 uhh... People who unironically believe young avengers shit are cringy af... Like they're obviously not going to include obcuse characters they're going to add all new characters and that's if we even do it

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@ms.antithesis I think marvel studios are gonna do something with the Young Avengers, unless something (money) change their minds.

[@josephscardetta7275]

Don't say it's the last! I love your videos, and there's going to be a second season!

[@dheksla]

OMG I can't wait for your Sylvie video! Your Loki analysis are the best I've seen

[@tiff8346]

Always love your spontaneous “oh WAI-“ endings. They crack me up n catch me off guard 😂

[@SlappinYaCheeks]

I knew it was coming based off your last little cliffhanger 😂 happy to tune in! Please do HBO Titans series next ❤

[@klnelson9514]

Keep up the good work man. You deserve way more than 72K subscribers. You give me such a deeper appreciation for these movies.

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww thank you so much! I think most people just click off 5 seconds of hearing my voice and the below 1080p footage 😂

[@lottietalkie3142]

I have deferred watching this video for SO long, because I made one on exactly the same topic, and I didn't want to "steal" any of your ideas, or be too influenced... And then I was afraid to watch it in case you had a completely different reading and I realized I had read everything wrong 😄 We didn't have exactly the same reading but I'm SO GLAD to see that you also identified the Sylvie/Loki relationship NOT as a narcissistic relationship, but actually exactly the contrary. I agree 100%, it is Loki's way OUT of his narcissistic tendencies. And it's nice to hear someone else say that, because I've read so many bad takes on this relationship... How it's "Loki falling in love with himself", or even "masturbation", or "inc*est" or whatever. This show was so clever and really deserves better than being grossly misunderstood and over-simplified. I also liked that unlike many Loki fans, who seemed really b*tthurt at the suggestion that he might be a "narcissist", you did acknowledge that part of his character while still showing how he deserves sympathy. I really think it's possible to do both.

[@MystiqMiu]

lolol and then there was Black Widow 😂 enjoy your marvel break, the studio seems to be at full speed ahead again~ loved this video and the cathartic editing!

[@thewayofthebeard3680]

You did a really good job editing at the end of your video where you show where Loki WAS and how he's changed with Sylvie, switching between scenes that was cool

[@trunkmonkeyentertainment]

This came outta no where, I'll take it :)

[@phonesjuda7318]

I love you and your content so much, trauma boi!

[@CM-pf1xc]

OMG that edit before the conclusion!!! 😭😭😭🥲👏❤️ so good! And yes sylvie as the inner child (still weird) but yes so good he was able to fully accept and comfort his inner child-I just want you to be ok. 😭

[@GibbySoapBox]

Love the work man! Can’t wait for Black Widow, and eventually What If…? if that becomes something you want to tackle.

[@syv6173]

i dont want a break from loki videos

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

I still got the Vote Loki at some point........

[@kylemccormack1785]

"I wanted only to protect you from the truth"

[@louisehypher409]

I love your video essays on Loki, how you delve deeply into character and story. Are you planning to do more essays on Loki season 2? I would love to hear your thoughts on Loki's continued character development and final transformation into the God of Stories.

[@JoeEnglandShow]

Easily the best Marvel series to date. Though I keep thinking of Doctor Who, funnily enough. How this would very much be an origin for a kind of Marvel Doctor that I could get behind. A cosmic wanderer with many faces, running across time and space to atone for his wicked past.... Heck, Marvel published Doctor Who's comics for a while, didn't they? And this arc has sure been better handled than The Timeless Child.

[@papl20]

I think that you're into something that we could all get behind.... Or well.... Most of us. Some fanboys/girls were not happy about the lack of character focused trajectory of the show. But I think they don't know how to read character development if it's not in your face. Anyway... If they make loki a kind of doctor who thing I'll be the happiest gal in the world.

[@JoeEnglandShow]

@@papl20 Personally, I think character development was one of Loki's strongest parts, and the best of it was right in Tom Hiddleston's face! He's one of the most emotive actors I know.

[@papl20]

@@JoeEnglandShow I'm with you completely

[@ooooneeee]

The montages in your Loki essays are fantastic and the essays themselves are sublime. Thank you!

[@reflectivedinosaur713]

Yay! I wasn’t expecting this!

[@thesevideos4382]

This is the best review on the Loki series that I have watched. Thanks.

[@inazuma3gou]

The show provides a good physical model of free will. The TVA needs to put in a lot of energy and effort to maintain the "official timeline." And the timeline is rather unstable. Any deviations from the official timeline that do not result in branching are left unattended. These minor perturbations can shift the timeline from one state to another. And they can create many versions of Lokis like Lokigator, Sylvie, and Richard Grant. The official timeline is therefore a collection of non-branching states, which can be visualized more like an oscillating string. Free will as we call it exists within the amplitude of oscillating timeline and is bounded within non-branching events.

[@AriannaMcquillen]

your channel provides really amazing commentary with stylish but not distracting edits. i really love the grounded way you speak about topics, both showing a careful analysis but also good humor in how silly spandex heros really are. so thank you for sharing all your insight on these series and i look forward to how you continue to interpret media, especially your view point

[@mobyt.3900]

great video, you're one of the best! I appreciate the distinction you made about narcism and high self esteem, makes me want to read up on it. thank you

[@6ixallah]

finally someone who sees what I see with Loki

[@Avengercatgirl99]

Outside of the movies themselves (&TV shows) and the actors, this channel is honestly my favorite part about the MCU

[@lilyofvali]

yeesh that obligatory music tribute. man...that really made me feel and reflect. i wish i could see my younger self and help him. i would tell him that its okay to cry. to feel. be human. that he can stay vulnerable. people are worth letting in. even if they hurt you. dont let your heart get hard. thank you IP

[@alexricky87]

I definitely appreciate your literary and psycho-analysis on not just Loki but with the other MCU D+ shows. With the Loki show especially because I was always confused on what was motivating him especially in the first Thor movie.

[@Krxsh_exe]

Thor: Love and Thunder Loki: Narcissism and Self-love

[@octosalias5785]

Kang wanted Sylvie to kill him, but he also wanted Loki to examine himself and become a better person for some reason. I hate that I have to wait to fine out why.

[@VoidedFilms]

Was extremely disappointed with the last episode, however, your vid helps me get the more enjoyable emotional issues and I thank you for it! Your Loki vids have even gotten me to like The Dark World (character development-wise anyway. Great insight and ooooh boy I imaging you'll have a mine field with Black Widow!

[@zayedkadir3285]

Another great video like always

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww thanks! :)

[@zayedkadir3285]

@@ImplicitlyPretentious yw!

[@saharasafari9]

Wow you made me appreciate this anymore than I already did. I feel like the show could’ve done a better Job making this analysis way more clear to the audience

[@Matthew_Raymond]

When he mentioned mild constipation, for a brief moment I thought he was going to say “And now I can finally take a dump.”

[@rafaellariosa4815]

WHY DID THIS MAKE ME CRY

[@BNumbersStation]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that I didn't care for the Loki series. It did a few little things that I liked, but on the whole I thought it fell flat. That being said Tom Hiddleston's performance was immaculate and moving, and this video is an excellent example of how good it was and how much he understands the character he is playing. He gave 110% to this performance, and while season 1 wasn't great in my opinion, I will watch season 2 for his performance, and to see if hopefully they can shake the rust off.

[@ddwow566]

This is soooo goood

[@sauce4971]

wow just woww

[@ChristoTitan]

"Dawn of selfcest"

[@robjohnson3095]

I just hope, in the second season, they don't do what feels like 90% of shows do, and reset the characters and make them go through the same saga of growth.

[@amany2241]

Oh my, we are being FED

[@Aloisk2012]

LET'S GOOOOOO LOKI

[@mediaondisplay3089]

Great video as always. Just curious, did you ever see Cloak and Dagger on free-form? Its a lil corny but there was some interesting things there.

[@AdamJohnson20]

what's the song used towards the end of the video from the nine minute mark to the elven minute mark?

[@SpaceAcex]

I truly enjoy your essays man. Hope this doesn't come off as rude, but i gotta say, your transitions to music and back throughout is jarring. Music is really loud compared to your speaking parts. A compression software would do wonders. Again, love your work and mean no disrespect. Cheers!

[@MpanzuELWik]

You got the what if man

[@alexandreboutaudvalarini5638]

Finally! We can take the time to look at Loki through the lens of trau... Wait, what?

[@pilotflux8005]

have you ever considered tackling some of the themes in Invincible? the comics carry a lot of really interesting critiques of good and evil and tackle growth and change in a very interesting way

[@adrianrobertoruizmartinez9325]

I'm Colombian and I didn't listen a word you said cos I got distracted with the cumbia beat

[@yeoldpepsi]

"...until season 2"

[@jnkg2293]

By the way, what is the name of the music of the intro?

[@scottyboi9018]

What is the intro song?

[@AG_Speaks]

Take a shot, every time he said "Loki" in this video.

[@MistbornPrincess]

There is no break from Marvel. They are everywhere, anytime.

[@cameronpratt4216]

Fuck me, that was beautiful.

[@adammyers7383]

Apparently this year alone we’ll have at least three more MCU movies and at least two more MCU shows….sorry dude 😅 frankly if you ever feel like that amount of time and effort just is not worth it I think at this point not too many would reject you for it.

[@matthewtartt9422]

By such a simple definition, then everyone is a narcissist.

[@eatatjoes6751]

You can still do the Sylvie essay...just in two months after a random essay about the trauma of Paint Your Wagon.

[@carpetlayenful]

Because try as you might time always travels forward. P.S. (Chuckling inward) Sylphie ... Selfie , huh huh ?

[@jewelyJewels]

Mobius must kiss Loki on the lips 👄

[@ddwow566]

Can you do a video on how Sylvie's story should continue for her redemption arc

[@NiyiDaNinja]

I thought you were going to let the intro song play all the way through for a second lol

[@joe94c]

All I want is Loki to be reunited with Thor and Silvie. Season 2 better give me that

[@summertyme5748]

_Everybody wants a happy ending. But it doesn’t always role that way._ - Tony Stark.

[@Alex-fn9cu]

until season 2

[@jmgidk1481]

okay, i loved the show and the essay helped to change my opinion on some of the issues i had with it but i still have one big problem. i don’t think loki and sylvie should have kissed!!!! it was not supposed to be romantic love!!! through many explanations I’ve heard, I learned how in that moment all sylvie needed was to feel accepted and nurtured because she is effectively young loki when he was insecure and looking for validation. i feel like it’s supposed to be a familiar love that they should feel. they were both insecure i feel like it diminishes sylvies development by taking out the self and and the social. that scene is actually taking away from the show for me. :(( do any of you have a different take on this??

[@elly7199]

I agree with you completely. I wish they had not kissed as well because Sylvie is effectively at the child stage of emotional development. Yet, for Loki’s development, it felt right and added to the heart wrenching grief I felt for him at the end. It felt shallow on Sylvie’s end. A tool she used to distract him. Something the old him would have done without a second thought.

[@ralucaioanagrigoras1489]

Well...for me it feels right on Loki's end, she was exactly what he needed to love and accept himself, his inner child. As for Sylvie, I believe she also cared about him, but her hatred towards the TVA was stronger than that. I don't believe the kiss was just a tool to get rid of Loki, if you look at her facial expressions during their fight and when Loki tells her: "I just want you to be okay", despite what she says, deep down she does trust Loki and love him, but she can't control this anger; it's sad but she was just not at that stage of development yet, how could she have been, living in apocalypses, obsessing over this one mission. As for the type of love, romantic love accomplished the same development in Loki that strong friendship would; Additionally, romantic love makes you vulnerable in a way platonic relationships don't. For two Lokis to be able to let another person lead them and to share these little moments of vulnerability, caring for each other, ish, idk, I shipped them so hard, but it's fine if it doesn't continue in any way in season 2 or other projects, because at least for Loki, he learned what he needed to learn from that relationship.

[@claudiazg9932]

I FEEL THE SAME WAY HOMIE

[@SlumDogEpiphany]

What did this channel used to be called

[@erei5659]

I don't think Kang is the author, he is us, the fans and he chooses which movies to watch and which ones to not.

[@nissahauer4309]

Did you see behind the scenes they had something that had Joseph Campbell's views written all over it

[@I.Simmonds]

Frost Giant may be not the best words to represent the Joten , cause I was reading Neil Gaiman's Norse mythology and it doesn't make sense if the Giants are literally giants. I am guessing that book is close to the original mythology (I have not red the ettas) Cause only some of them are actually huge, most seem to be Aesier/Vanier sized, they are just a 3rd hostile tribe of no- quite-gods? no- gods? anti-gods? I mean marvel has gone all in on the gaint thing...as well as Laufy being Loki's father rather than mother.

[@clarencehui9448]

I really would like your opinion on why the MCU is making Loki the most interesting character? Is it to replace Tony Stark?

[@chasemanhattan9995]

Loki could have left the tesseract in Asgard, let Thanos go there and look through the ruble and fight surtur. Then maybe he and the rest of Asgard would still be alive. That not happening sucks

[@thelifeofme5221]

My question is, do we consider the person in Avengers using a mask or does he truly believe they are below him? On one hand, him wearing a mask of the wanting king and thinking everyone is below him could be a cover for his own insecurity. On the other, it could just be him actually?

[@RecluseBootsy]

Consider the Loki in the show as the same Loki from Avengers, just released of the Asgardian system of beliefs he held so firmly. His viciousness and search for eternal glory is the ethos of their entire culture. He only sought power in order to feel affection. This same Loki, who just suffered his worse defeat, got to see a timelapse of Choice & Consequence. He made a conscious choice not to run from his fate but to stay and embrace it as his new path. This story is him breaking away entirely from his scripted purpose and finding himself literally and metaphysically. And for being the God of Lies, he was being upfront and candid the whole time.

[@lesliecordova7394]

(sorry for the Bad English and gramatical errors, not my language) I think, is a little bit of both. Both, Thor and Loki, share a lot of traits, that came from the way they were raised. Regardless of everything, they were told -at the very beginning of the first movie- how both are rightfull heirs, how one day one will become ruler of them all, in a scale of importance there is Odin, The All Father, Frigga, and them. They are, 2 of the most important beings in the 7 realms, wherever they believe in that or not, they have to. But this led to an extreme, represented in no other than Hela, and Thor in the first movie is in that path, that's why Odin force Humility in Him, before new Mexico, Thor and Co adventures are more about them having fun than them saving others, the hole Jotunheim fiasco is a probe of that. Loki is a lot like that too, but with and added drama, because while Thor is the epitome of an Asgardian, he is the opposite, but he couldn't share this to the world, he has to share this facade of self confidence, that is completely shattered once he new the truth about himself. So, yeah, Avengers 1 Loki is not completely different to pre Thor 1, Thor, with 1 big difference, while Thor was this arrogant prince warrior who had to learn to tone it down, Loki is in a journey of self destruction courtesy of a grieving process. Loki is trying to do what Thor did to be the loved Child, but it backfires What I was saying is, Both T and L, looked down on people, because that's what they learned from Childhood, but that's the key, that's what they learned. So yeah, Avengers Loki is a 50-50, half of that is the "self confidence" mascara that he built for himself, and half his belief system, the one who he grew up with.

[@kritichaplot5025]

[@canisfabico]

The Last Trauma Video.

[@ProfesserUniverse]

How does everyone feel about that kiss?

[@nemowindsor8724]

Nauseous.

[@fizzplease6742]

It made me wince. I really loved their bonding up until then but that... I dunno. I wish it had worked for me but it was immediate total kneejerk "oh nooo no no :x". I'm curious where that goes later because if that romance is a main lynchpin of the show I'll have some trouble.

[@williamwebb580]

I thought it was pretty cathartic

[@laineylarsen245]

I was hesitant at first because I knew it was coming, but once I saw it in context I developed a much better appreciation for it

[@maggiemcfly5267]

ngl, the Loki-Sylvie romance thing doesn't bother me, but that was a terrible kiss! I've seen Tom kissing in many other movies/tv shows and this one was a let down smh

[@hammudeali6675]

I just realized, you sound a bit like Ferb from Phineas and Ferb 😆

[@KnightRaymund]

He still killed a lot of people. I think we forget that.

[@Tevi_L7151]

and almost committed genocide. but the main difference is that now this Loki regrets it. And he actually gets his punishment, he lost everything himself, he continues to lose. And we see it because the series can get into his head and we can believe what we see. Unfortunately, with real people it is so impossible. This is normal when victims cannot forgive torturers. But if you don't give someone a second chance, does everyone else deserve it?

[@ComicPower]

So if Loki has sex with his female variant wouldnt that just be masterbuation?

[@RecluseBootsy]

The only thing that could top the masturbatory nature of Lokis' relationship is if Naruto Ninja Harem'd himself... It's still odd to wrap your head around.

[@squattingheads]

you clearly need a popfilter. I can only hear p t s p t s

[@rosar.4293]

Am I the only one who didn’t like the show and much? I felt the pairing of Loki and Sylvie was weird as forced. The overacting and dialogue was unfitting in some scenes. I love the “self love” dialogue and hope Loki drops Sylvie by finally learning to love himself. Not constantly coddling some sister, deranged version of himself...

[@summertyme5748]

So - I have some problems with the show, but I’m not hung up on the idea that the Loki Sylvie relationship is supposed to be “wrong” because they are brother sister or something like that. 1st of all: They are *not* siblings. They are beings from alternate realities. The only biology they would have in common is from a frost giant father. It’s clear that they do not have the same mother. Meanwhile they are *not* frost giants in appearance either. There is basically nothing to trigger an incest revulsion between the two characters at all. Leaving aside the projecting of a grandstanding ‘morality’ on them, the more important issue is whether the actors have chemistry and - they did. I don’t think they over acted as you imply. I think you’ve decided to object to the story point that the characters are alternate reality versions of themselves - who become attracted as *soul mates* and then disapprove. But really what is is the concept of soul mate - if not an mystical link between two person’s across time and space? Having said that I have some problems with the middle parts of the show in episodes 3 and 4……

[@summertyme5748]

A thought the narrative logic of the show broke down, with too many knee slap eye rolling moments. Time pad out of battery. Time pad is now broken. Little girl Sylvie escapes from Renslayer. Mobius figures out Sylvie and Loki need ‘saving’ on Lamentis. How? I don’t buy it. The writing takes a cheap shot at the Infinity Saga by showing all the stones are nothing to the TVA: But, the TVA is nothing but idiot storm troopers basically. There is no scenerio where they would ever be able to take on anyone with an Infinity Stone - based on their unrelenting incompetence - in terms of failure to stop Sylvie. Or figuring out that they are variants. Or….figuring out that their Gods are Disney Animatronics. It’s really Jonathan Majors and Kang who saved this story - in my opinion. I loved the music, acting, directing, FX, and thought the time concepts and free will vs. determinism was handled well. I just hope Michael Waldron - the writer - slows his role a little bit. He’s not as good as James Gunn, or Marcus and McFeely. He needs supervision or he is going to make a mess of Marvel with his too clever by half talkie/talkie scripts.