The Last Time Superman and Batman Were Friends - I'm Sorry Clark

Issue#: Injustice Year 1
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[@Ares99999]

"You don't have to call me master." "Good. Let's remember that." I love Alfred.

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

One of the best characters in the series!

[@solomonozmund6728]

Imo that was just uncalled for at that point in time

[@IsaiahINRI]

@@solomonozmund6728 Alfred's old enough and wise enough to see where Clark was heading.

[@Sinatracle]

@@solomonozmund6728 No, Alfred is wise, he saw what was coming from miles away, he knew Clark would try and rule over after he had began his vengeful purge.

[@PartStupid]

Alfred even curb stomps him later ^_^

[@samuelsoup4525]

The fact that he cared About Batman's hurt hand after he punched him really shows that he cared about Bruce before all of this sht happened.

[@elijahbaker781]

Yeah and the sad thing is that as the story goes on Superman loses more of his humanity until there’s nothing left. He became general zod.

[@kartikadewi3270]

@@elijahbaker781 more like freeiza from DBZ. At least Zod tried to protect any aliens.

[@PeachDragon_]

You didn't really need confirmation tho

[@elijahbaker781]

@@kartikadewi3270 yeah that’s true he mostly became a tyrant.

[@killmonger5097]

He killed Alfred so fuck him and their past

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

Superman- "one death to save millions!" Batman- "it always starts with one." Optimus prime- " you'll never stop at one."

[@DavidMyrmidon]

Only junkies fear their inability to control their own tendencies.

[@8thsheet407]

🐝- "bzzzbbsbs" (transformer reference)

[@raijyn2452]

Unless you *CHOOSE* to stop.

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

@@raijyn2452 not the point.

[@Dunge0n]

Red Hood: "Yeah, no kidding, lazy bums."

[@simon-peterwilliamson2412]

All this could've been avoided if the judge would just give joker the capital punishment

[@trevor8726]

Batman can just paralyze joker lol wouldnt be killing him

[@giovannidanesin4193]

@@trevor8726 In a world where the universe reset once at year a thing like that would be solved in 24 hours

[@BT-ob7ve]

Irl Batman would just paralize joker near the spine and be done with it forever

[@trevor8726]

@@BT-ob7ve irl he wouldve been killed already or given capital punishment

[@pravaalreddy2050]

😂😂😂

[@taqweenie8909]

Always gotta love Alfred's sheer balls to talk the way he does to both Batman and Supes. Always nice to see

[@ryuken338]

He's an old head who's seen and done alot, well before both of them were even born, he doesn't give a shit lol. Old head's like Alfred keep beings like Bruce and Clark grounded. Look at how far Mike Tyson Fell when his old head, Cus D'Amato Died, Cus kept Mike on solid ground and didn't care how powerful Mike was.

[@alpharius8512]

Alfred is there to keep Bruce fron falling to the darkness, and to remind superman he aint shit.

[@IsaiahINRI]

Honestly one of my favorite comic book moments

[@zairmorningstarmusic]

@@ryuken338 fr

[@deuce1454]

@@ryuken338 Superman is older than Alfred

[@michaelhornberger2539]

- Bruce. Come with me! - Clark. I just broke my hand

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

Lmao

[@Mrpawsum2]

LMFAO I was just thinking that

[@lozm4835]

"You literally just told be that I'm out of punching commision for several weeks."

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

"Then use your other hand." "…There's something on your face."

[@MusicProducerGameDeveloper]

Nooooo

[@ComicWriter-ml3qt]

Everyone’s blaming Bruce for Clark’s descent when Bruce is just doing the same thing Clark did when Jason Todd was murdered by the joker. Trying to Keep his friend from making a big mistake.

[@kingdavid2120]

Exactly

[@DblONo7]

🤔..I guess but think of it like this, Clark and Bruce are two different people. Simple right? If Bruce wants to hang on to a strong sense of justice, since thats what he believes and how HE handles things, good for him but don't compare that to Clark and think he should act or believe the exact same way as Bruce. Clark made over a few good points. Which yes, I am on Clarks side with this. Every time the Joker get loose, Bruce and Joker go thru some bullshit while people are getting killed in the process??? And especially around 3:16-3:58, that was just icing on the cake. Not trying to start an argument, look at this as a open dialog. I just simply have a different perspective and like I said before, Clark made some really good points.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

Y'know Bruce with all his money could've imprisoned the joker on the moon right?, I mean hell there's even the bat cave that has a very very secure prison or better yet, Ask Clark to send him to the Phantom Zone but nope he'll always take him to Arkham where he'll always escape and kill double the people he killed the last time. Bruce is insane, IDK how be even convinces himself he's doing the right thing lol, he's the biggest villain Gotham has. Hell Joker and Batman were once poisoned and the antidote was just one pill that had to be taken fully to heal (that's what the description said). which meant only one of them could survive, Batman without knowing this still split it in half, forcing one down Joker's throat and swallowing the other half and then they both waited to either die or live... luckily they lived. The fact that this man is willing put more on the line for the Joker than for the people of Gotham is mind boggling.

[@DblONo7]

@@enochyawwiredu7170 See? I knew I wasn't the only one. Great examples. Bruce was trippin on this one. I couldn't blame Clark at all. Especially due to the Jokers history of killing people every dam time he breaks loose because "Batman" have to solve, prove and his strong, "Justice Must Be Served" mentality.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

@@DblONo7 True fax brother

[@jj_grabes]

“He was a good friend, once…I trusted him with my life. But the Joker got to him…and I wasn’t there to stop it. I lost my friend, Clark, and…I’ve missed him ever since….”

[@kungfumaster51]

😔🥺😥

[@erikphelan7508]

He lost him the moment he refused to help him, to be there for him. It’s a shame.

[@JoseMora-wc5zz]

@@erikphelan7508 exactly. Clark was in need of help, emotional and mental. Bruce failed him terribly. He didn’t even try

[@battledroid8010]

@@JoseMora-wc5zz It wasent just Batmans fault, Wonder woman was the One who refused to give Clark time to mourn, she led him down this Path.

[@Gizmo800]

@@JoseMora-wc5zz and worst of all, he's the one who started the regime because he turned against clark when he was saving the world from kalibak and the parademons.

[@fatman123526]

For Batman he’s said it himself “it would be too damned easy”. He knows all too well the temptation and how seductive it is. Yes Batman has gone out of his way to save the joker a number of times, but he’s also done so with his other villains. He has a pathological need to save everyone he can. Look at the end of Hush and how destroyed he is that he couldn’t save the Riddler from falling. Pretty much takes Cateoman putting her boot up his ass to get him moving. He’s not mourning the Joker or Metropolis. He’s mourning that Joker won. He got Superman to violate his own rule not to kill.

[@typeouetco1626]

"what would you do if a bus was about to kill bane" "I would try to save the bus"

[@Benimaru-DestructionKing]

That were Jason has a point some villains do deserve death and aren't werent saving or be given a second chance. Villains from Batmans rogue gallery such as Mr.Freeze or Riddler are capable of rehab and deserve help cause both of them were once good men at the time, they just fell into villainy for all the wrong reasons and not out of evil but out of inner pain, tormoil or just a severe mental dishorder

[@joeikaikathebest1936]

Um Batman has killed before and anything the joker does is directly on him the idea of justice is flawed and purposefully repeating the cycle puts just as much blame on him Batman never knew true pain losing a child for normal ppl is devastating even with miscarriages

[@dominiquemendy6307]

@@joeikaikathebest1936 yup

[@selfimprovement5873]

@@joeikaikathebest1936 No he hasn't. Why do people always bring that up? "Batman kills people, Oh in the 1950s he--"- THAT'S NOT CURRENT BATMAN

[@justsomeguywithasandwich5906]

“You start with one…then more and more” Yes just like me eating Oreo

[@blackvalio4060]

i never eat more than one oreo

[@waternick]

@@blackvalio4060 blasphemy

[@grokborketharek8165]

@@blackvalio4060 blasphemy

[@davidssubwaycookies190]

@@blackvalio4060 blasphemy

[@Kirukilmao]

same

[@boxhead411]

I feel like him asking 1 Last time, "Bruce, come with me", was his way of asking, "Bruce, please.... I can't stay grounded without you"

[@soullessginger9912]

Like " Bruce if you don't come with me i'll kill every single one of these motherfuckers."

[@worthywill9294]

I liked to imagine that if Bruce went with him, maybe he could keep him grounded. But I guess it's possible that there wasn't anyone to keep grounded at that point

[@boxhead411]

@@worthywill9294 indeed.... Especially with Diana encouraging him to continue with his plan of action

[@dungeonguy88]

@@worthywill9294 Was Superman ever really grounded though? Can someone as powerful as Superman ever feel connected to the people around them in the same way that normal people can? If that was possible, I don't think what the Joker did would have so completely broken his identity. Strong, but brittle.

[@worthywill9294]

@@dungeonguy88 not necessarily. 1.) We have to remember who we're talking about. Joker.... he's pushed batman of all people to his mental limits 2.) We have to remember what supes went through and what it meant. Joker broke superman's identity BEFORE superman killed him. Superman is technically *(and in a sense, literally)* responsible for the death of his second home (metropolis) AND his family. So much for symbol of peace/hope which he to some extent he took major pride in.. All this ignoring other facts, I don't think it's fair to assume that superman was never grounded. But was "pure" maybe too much.... and joker brakes that in the WORST way

[@bluemenace04]

If batman just had the balls to really open up to superman and be there for him, be a true friend to him, superman wouldn't have lost his humanity the way he did and got manipulated by wonder woman. Its clear as day that superman sees batman not just as a friend but as a brother.

[@Ares99999]

He did open up to him. He outright admitted that he probably would be doing the same if Superman's situation hit him, that he thought Superman was better than he was. He might well have believed that Superman was only in in a funk, that he'd get out of it if given time and space. He went about it the wrong way, but it was certainly not out of malice. Besides, lets be fair here: Batman likely had faith in Wonder Woman, too. I doubt - initially at least - that he believed that Diana would ACTIVELY make Clark worse. Unlike Clark, she had no reason for going 'dark side' than the fact that, deep down, she wanted to.

[@bluemenace04]

@@Ares99999 he was honest, open and sincere in this 1 moment. This needed to happen way more often than just a couple times because superman was backed into a corner, he didn't know what to do, he was vulnerable for once in his life without kryptonite being involved since Louis died by his own hand and only wonder woman was there for him the whole time when no one else was. It really shows how villainous wonder woman really is. She saw an opportunity and stuck her fangs in it.

[@ComicWriter-ml3qt]

Bruce probably thought Clark was already too far gone. He always believed Clark to be a good person deep down. Even when he was interrogating the joker, Bruce believed without any doubt Clark would bounce back. When he didn’t, and broke a rule they both stuck to, it probably shook him just a bit. Maybe he could’ve been a better friend but seeing what Clark did probably made him reconsider how much he knew about his friend.

[@denzelmckenzie2171]

Naw he needed to side with him, he coulda quelled back supermans murder rage and compromise and let him get rid of the major threats…nope he was so “killing is bad” he let wonder woman who already aint like man kind amp him to the extreme

[@reilophonix3279]

As equal to him, i think it hurt Superman when Batman sad hes a better man.

[@mxsayian]

This scene made me fell too emotional man this made me feel a sharp pain in my chest my too favorite childhood heros losing their humanity is hard to watch

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Welcome to reality

[@gogitosavage9757]

This universe is the ultimate what-if, not everything is always perfect, cuz like superman, we're ill-prepared for something like this

[@HanithSVK]

@@gogitosavage9757 As much as this may be true, guys like Joker wouldn't survive in real world. Sooner or later, someone would've kill him. Either family member of some of his victims, or cop wanting to prevent more deaths, that doesn't matter. Even if nothing of above happened, after what he did, he would be sentenced to death. There is no way you can kill hundreds and stay alive. That's just not possible.

[@johannesluzardi4631]

"It always starts with one" love this line and very applicable to life. Anything you do be it good or bad always start with one small things until it escalate and become much bigger.

[@justaguywithagoodphoto4801]

To be honest the real people we should blame are the ones letting joker live 🗿 Yeah bruce should kill joker but ain’t bruce the one who’s giving them the chance to kill joker legally?

[@renegade4lifeboii5]

They keep pleading joker for insanity hence why he is always in Arkham asylum

[@justaguywithagoodphoto4801]

@@renegade4lifeboii5 pleading for insanity can only go so far

[@mohsinabdulshukur]

I don't think Bruce should kill joker that would end up kind of same but yes joker should be put off

[@onba7726]

@@renegade4lifeboii5 Also the insanity plea only works if the person is incapable of telling right from wrong. Joker not only can but does some things specifically because their evil.

[@andyknightwarden9746]

@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Yeah, I think that when an insane person causes too much loss of life, the plea of insanity is subject to an exception clause that allows the accused to be tried as a criminal.

[@supersaiyanshonathan]

After rereading injustice I've come to realize that if bruce was just there as a friend for Clark instead of being Batman with his schemes & planning Clark doesn't go down the path he did

[@marcelo2169]

I don't think that's is true, Clark and Bruce were like the immovable object and unstoppable force, neither of them is giving up.

[@jesuschrist6705]

Or if wonder woman wasnt a complete bitch in this universe

[@jaredgarcia8638]

@@jesuschrist6705 definitely

[@jaredgarcia8638]

In the end, both parties are at fault. Exactly what The Joker wanted.

[@jaredgarcia8638]

And Clark has a point. If Bruce had Clark's powers, what would be the end result

[@marssaintsenat2995]

Superman give him that talk no Jutsu 😂😂😂

[@AndrewAce.]

Other way around

[@richiefranklin76]

It's weird because I always thought that Batman was more like Sasuke,and Clark like Naruto. But that kind of got reversed in injustice eh? But then again I guess the whole 'Why do we get to choose who dies' line from Bruce does sound like what Naruto would say. While the 'few deaths to save many more' sounds more like Sasuke,Pain,or Madara

[@sonicsucks20]

No De

[@justaguy5266]

@@richiefranklin76 more like Kakashi as Bruce and Obito like Clarck, in this universe

[@gogitosavage9757]

@@justaguy5266 that's sum good valid comparisons, with a small similarity under the same circumstances

[@adolfogarzachaires394]

it's really, kind of touching, to see how they actually care for one another, and how they end up as enemies if only Bruce were more open to Clark and accepted to go with him, maybe things could have been more different, he may be the man of steel, but he also needs helps sometimes in a while

[@leoneyamada5408]

why is everyone blaming batman for supermans mistakes. like yea batman could have been there for him but that doesnt change the fact superman did what he did. batman isnt responsible for supermans actions dude. blaming batman for being BATMAN is no excuse for superman to turn evil

[@sumairshirazi]

@@leoneyamada5408 batman is wrong. If batman instead of saving joker would kill joker none of this would happen. Over here batman is selfish for not showing support to Clark

[@leoneyamada5408]

@@sumairshirazi so its batmans fault superman turned evil.... i think not. yes batman could have stopped it but that doesnt make supermans actions his fault

[@sumairshirazi]

@@leoneyamada5408 batman had many opportunities to kill joker but didn't. Batman would prioritise saving joker rather than the city. If batman would console Superman and be there for him emotionally then Superman wouldn't have turned evil. Like only killing joker would have been enough. But batman didn't do it. Plus Superman would have ignored wonder woman as well if batman supported Superman and was there for him

[@leoneyamada5408]

@@sumairshirazi batman doesnt kill tho. jokers entire life goal is to make batman kill him. so if batman kills him then joker wins... THATS HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER... so saying batman should kill him is kinda stupid because it ignores the whole point of why he doesnt... many many many people want to kill him and thats fine, like redhood or gordon that 1 time... but batman will never bring himself to do it and cross that line. if batman kills joker then batman turns into the batman who laughs... YOUR LITERALLY saying batman is in the wrong when if he does what you want he goes evil...

[@LARRYLONGSTRETH]

Guy who dresses like a bat, physically abuses criminals, uses gadgets and theatrics to play mind games, and hangs people upside down until they tell him what he wants to know: "Clark, you're scaring people and it's not right."

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

@@melvingenao550 bruh, According to one of wonder woman's best friends, When she asked the friend about batman she said he only inspires fear even to the people he's there to save. Diana asked because she wanted to see if it would be smart to date Bruce but that disqualified him. In Injustice, Clark at this point was being praised by the people and weren't afraid of him yet, Batman blatantly lied here.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

@@melvingenao550 Yeah by government, Of course people will always fear what they don't understand but the general people of all actually sees him as someone who inspires while the government as you said are afraid and panic over him. Batman is feared by both the Government and the general people, hell his own people in Gotham.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

@@melvingenao550 where the hell did see that?, Superman in general is known by the leaguers to be the overly nicd one. He always plays race with the Flash, tries to make Batman crack a smile, Perhaps Hal might fear him coz they're not so close but Hal has a ring that makes him feel the opposite of fear, hell wonder woman finds him so positive that she likes him (and Bruce like I said) and has told him before N that she wants a a partner like that but their relationship is platonic coz he has a wife. The leaguers (and this is something Injustice also got right) will legit hate or mistrust someone too when superman Mistrusts that person coz you gotta be bad bad for superman to hate you.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

@@melvingenao550 well if it's that kind of fear them it's alright, it's normal. That one is different from legit lone fear.

[@kominatoriku5483]

Clark is the light the world needs he shouldnt be the one to scare people

[@andrewparker7110]

I agree with Superman. Most superheroes including Batman seem to be worried about not working themselves out of a job. Just probably why I'm more of a Red hood Punisher type comic book reader.

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Killing Joke Joker could have been better if he was neutral. After all he hates Batman/Bruce for turning him into The Joker. It would be like. "Thank you for your help Bruce. But his does not make us friends just because you helped me."

[@lonelysatoshi2482]

Anyways most of the anti-hero's job also go in vain, a lot of the villians they kill keep coming back anyways lmao

[@glorilol9546]

Superman could have been saved a this moment

[@Ares99999]

Batman tried to save him. As best as a guy who is permanently traumatized and thus emotionally stunted could.

[@wakcjdjiszzii]

batmans basically the emo kid at school he cant show he cares like a normal person

[@BKsunstar]

@@sostre1 you seen to have forgot the part where supes ripped off his mask, like he was crazy

[@MrWongWey]

Superman verbally beat the shit out of Batman. The moment he said “Your parents died so that’s your excuse for not being a father”, it was a wrap. Batman just died. I appreciate the thoughtful convo this comment generated but just to clarify I meant this comment in a entirely comedic tone. I didn’t really mean that he won the argument or anything. I just found his statement of Batman funny. I had to oof hearing that roast 😂

[@Johnny547611]

I mean, Batman was right in the end tho

[@periklisperperis6868]

Batman has been father tho. Not the best but he helped raise 4 very good people which all by their choice became his assiastants in fighting crime. Clark was on the wrong there thinking (as we have seen from other media) that batman wasnt a father just because he let them be heroes under his mantle. I have to give that to bruce

[@kevinsantos5050]

@@Johnny547611 Not really tho, the Justice League was almost destroyed and forever fragmented, millions of ppl died with the Justice League civil war and the indirect conflicts caused by it Batman won the conflict, but I wouldn't call that proving Batman was right Batman constantly pushed Superman over the edge even after Superman had dozens of opportunities of killing him Superman just didn't Batman for me is the result of wanting to do things that feels good instead of doing what it is right. He didn't killed the Joker or other villians so that way he could feel righteous, not caring about the hundred of ppl who would die whenever they escaped Arkham which is sadly in that universe pretty common And Superman called him out on it

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@kevinsantos5050 hot damn

[@dungeonguy88]

@@kevinsantos5050 Counterpoint: It could be argued that it was Superman that gave into doing what feels good, rather than what's doing right. Clark overtime became very satisfied and comforted by his actions, even as he committed more atrocities and stripped away more rights from the people of the world. Clark wasn't doing what was right. He was doing what made him feel better.

[@unholydiver1095]

Damn, Alfred can say more than anyone just with 2 short sentences!

[@thatspressure7104]

Power of the Butler

[@animeman8203]

@@thatspressure7104 Injustice Alfred deserves hell just like Batman.

[@ethantimko8834]

@@animeman8203 may I ask, why

[@retronerds6884]

@@ethantimko8834 I guess because he even maybe instead of trying to talk shit to Superman maybe he should've talked Bruce into the joker a long time ago 🤷

[@bigsoss1144]

@@animeman8203 Just like Superman

[@Zhello79]

Jason Todd and Damian: well I mean... The Joker had it coming.

[@HeroesHoshi]

Super true. Really hoped Batman would have changed, not to justify killing, but understands exceptional circumstances. And Joker & most villains are examples of such exceptional circumstances.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@HeroesHoshi Eh, Batman's issue is that, he understands that if he can justify one exception, he can justify another.

[@HeroesHoshi]

@@dungeonguy88 Good point, guess even perfect heroes have flaws. But shouldnt the law like, execute people like Joker on the spot?

[@dungeonguy88]

@@HeroesHoshi Oh, absolutely. By all reason, Gotham should have executed the Joker a long time ago. Hell, the regular cops and even some of the criminals and other villains had plenty of reasons to put the Joker down for good. And the ability to do so. There are a couple of in-universe explanations. One being that Gotham...is literally cursed. As in supernatural beings screw with the fabric of the city to ensure beings like the Joker persist. The other, somewhat more grounded explanation, is that there are actually multiple Jokers. That there are multiple unhinged individuals claiming to be the Joker and acting accordingly. Which would somewhat explain the Joker's capacity to always comeback from what should have been fatal incidents.

[@retronerds6884]

@@dungeonguy88 I mean let see how many people has two face, scarecrow, penguin killed batman villains gotta go

[@supereldinho]

It wasn't Joker's act of nuking Metropolis and making Superman kill Lois and their unborn child that broke Superman -- there was no way for anyone to walk away from such a tragedy with their sanity intact. Joker didn't break Superman; it was Batman and the rest of the League egging on Superman's breakdown by not being there for him when he needed someone -- anyone -- to unearth the good in him, buried beneath layers of grief and regret. When Superman was at his lowest point, did any of his friends drop by to comfort him? Did any of them try to appeal to his humanity and sense of justice? No, they didn't. The only one that ever came by was Superboy who had the audacity to give Superman shit for killing Joker, acting as if Superman overreacted -- like he killed Joker for taking a shit in his cornflakes or something -- and later tried to banish Superman to the Phantom Zone. And then, when the government decided to kidnap Superman's parents, his supposed best friend chose his own ideals above their friendship and even decided to oppose him, which drove him even further into more extreme measures. And this went on for 5 years straight. Superman didn't have "one bad day" as Joker would say it; Superman had several years' worth of bad days, brought about by a series of contrived events that only helped him sink even further into villainy and the fact none of his "friends" ever tried to talk it out with him and give him the help he needed. The only thing that's surprising is that Superman didn't snap any sooner under such circumstances.

[@raijyn2452]

Geez..........I know Superman made his own choices during all this, but...............geez.

[@supereldinho]

​@@raijyn2452 You know what the saddest part is? Nobody ever took any accountability for their actions. Even after what Joker did to Superman, Batman never once attempted to re-evaluate his ideals or even try to help Superman recover from his trauma...and Supeman had long-since stopped pretending to be anything other than a crazed dictator. Superman became a monster, and Batman not only allowed it to happen, his actions helped accelerate Superman's downfall. In the end, Joker didn't win because of what he did; he won because everyone let him win, by not doing anything to help undo the damage he caused to Superman.

[@retronerds6884]

I wish I could like your comment a thousand times

[@justsomejoyousj]

@@supereldinho I agree with what you say, but someone mentioned that Batman knows killing the Joker would be too easy! Joker knows that if he can push Batman to kill, then he will make him break his morals and all hell would break loose. I mean, take the Batman Who Laughs for example, batman finally did what we have all been asking and yet look what happened to him? He became someone worse than the joker

[@user-nv2wt4hi8t]

I'd kill Joker for shitting in my cornflakes man. 100%

[@MrOrcshaman]

Sometimes I wonder, if Bruce/Batman suffers some form of autism. He emotionally cuts himself off from others, yet craves emotional attachment even if he doesn't give it. He's super intelligent but lacks an ability to show empathy in most adaptations (the exception being early batman the animated series where he DID show empathy to others). He just seems completely introvert with how he handles things, and always looking for a logical method to solve something, when sometimes something as simple as holding something, showing them a kind gesture, is all you really need to do.

[@davidmarshall3683]

Man superman is spitting some straight facts and I feel like the whole dictator superman saga could've been ended with Clark crying if Batman just straight up gave him a hug there and told him."I didn't love him, I love you and I'm so so sorry" rather than punching him.

[@mr.reaper3329]

Unfortunately, it was too late for hugs and forgiveness. The friendship of their has died, and the drums of a battle have played their accord.

[@michaelhornberger2539]

that punch was a bit out of character of Bruce. but then again this whole superman is out of character. That´s just some bullshit so the plot can work out

[@andrewcabral963]

Or if Batman had killed the Joker supes would’ve been a completely different person

[@Ionevenknow871]

@@andrewcabral963 but that in turn would make Batman a whole different person

[@kartikadewi3270]

@@Ionevenknow871 Killing evil people DOESN'T MAKE YOU EVIL. Just forgot that you kill and MOVE ON PATIENTLY.

[@amuroray9115]

Everything Superman said is facts. I just wish he didn’t become a dictator

[@The-Endo-SymArmor]

He became a dictator because his best friend Bruce abandoned him instead of helping him. Everything would've been different if Bruce helped him figure things out.

[@michaelhornberger2539]

"facts"

[@amuroray9115]

@@The-Endo-SymArmor agreed

[@The-Endo-SymArmor]

@@amuroray9115 thanks man

[@BKsunstar]

He was already going down that road if you noticed

[@bigj1905]

4:08 I love what Superman does here. He turns the argument around, showing that Bruce is just as volatile and prone to emotion as he is.

[@GuardianGrarl]

They are the world's finest not when they throw hands at each other to answer an old question but when they bring their strengths together & cover each other's weaknesses to make an ordinary human's life happy & safe again. Let's remember that.

[@joeikaikathebest1936]

No since one of them makes planes to hurt everyone while everyone else treats him with kid gloves and trusts him not to betray them

[@GuardianGrarl]

@@joeikaikathebest1936 I would reply in more detail but don't want to add more arguing to another Superman/Batman case. No disrespecting your argument/opinion but too much arguing hurts things, just look at Star Wars.

[@joeikaikathebest1936]

I’d say majority didn’t like them I heard it’s no longer cannon and have you read the books it gets crazy

[@joeikaikathebest1936]

Talking about Star Wars

[@GuardianGrarl]

@@joeikaikathebest1936 Haven't read many of the S.W books but i've seen some...

[@charleschiemekaekeogu6908]

Not to justify Superman’s later actions but everything he said here was FACTS, a lot of Batman fanboys won’t admit it but Batman had an unhealthy relationship with the joker. We’ve seen Batman risk limbs and his life to save the joker but was willing to let Jason die in an explosion to save the joker. The joker should have been killed one way or the other by now but Batman kept protecting him. Batman is as responsible for Joker’s sins as Joker himself. Edit: I’m just going to say “killing someone” and “not protecting them” are two different things. My problem is not that Batman decided to not kill the Joker, my problem is Batman’s protecting the Joker.

[@amuroray9115]

I’ve always said Batman is a dumbass for not killing the Joker. His logic that “I won’t be able to stop” is honestly piss poor. A man with so much willpower and He doesn’t have the self-discipline to be able to discern killing mass murderers like Joker and a common purse snatcher?

[@dmarcobing4938]

@@amuroray9115 the whole problem with that sentiment is that we have seen every time a hero kills they stray down and becomes even worse than those they killed. The Batman who laughs is a prime example and so is injustice Superman From a psychological and social standpoint Batman actually makes very good points. The first act is always the justification, killing the jokers despite what he has done would only cause Batman to kill every villain he has encountered. This is not limited to petty street thugs which would cause him to be the villain. Additionally Batman and Superman are working outside the law. They are in essence criminals themselves the option to kill should never be in their hands in the first place. They are self proclaimed heroes and the only claim they have is that they stop the bad guys not become them. Here is what I don’t agree with though, Batman has a history of “saving the joker”. There’s no doubt that jokers deserves death and has been perused by multiple people close to the bat himself, but he always stops them. He should of just let them kill the joker but he would have to capture them later. Which is probably why he didn’t let Todd do it since he didn’t want to be the one that put his son behind bars

[@D_34618]

As a Batman fanboy you’re 100% correct

[@VashRampage]

It is true. But the reason why Bruce never killed the Joker is because he felt responsible for him in the first place. He created the Joker and that fault fell on him. Having a constant reminder that he fucked up, helped him in his own physiological way. Same reason he never put Jason Todd down once he started killing people, another creation of his that kills; only difference, a son and killer of bad guys instead of a total lunatic that had a bad day thanks to an accident Batman caused. If he were smart, killing off the Batman, kill joker and put up the cape. But then he’d worry scarecrow, riddler, two face or penguin would replace the clown prince. So he’d need to Dawn the suit again to put another down. There would never be a retired Batman, for criminals and killers would always exist and even putting down a few would never stop the ones to come. Laws are there for those that obey, not for those that break them.

[@amuroray9115]

@@dmarcobing4938 Batman who laughs was infected with Joker toxin, though?

[@dylanmagararu3892]

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

[@Mr33500]

Yeah... I think there's a massive moral difference between Gollum and Joker

[@XMorbidReignX]

Alfred coming in hot with that kill shot.

[@SpartanManchie]

I wasn’t expecting the writing for this comic to be this excellent. The dialogue was hard hitting.

[@MultiAlpha001]

Clark just need a friend to show him the way but Bruce just showed him the door. The later events of injustice are on Batman’s hands as much as Supes.

[@charleschiemekaekeogu6908]

Exactly, if Batman had stayed by his side as his moral compass, everything would have been fine but he was upset his psychotic serial killer of a boyfriend was killed.

[@abrahamherrera7023]

I never gonna understand the mount of people who blame persons for acts of others. I guess supes parents and jimmy are guilty too.

[@charleschiemekaekeogu6908]

@@abrahamherrera7023 Uhh, yeah. What’s difficult to understand? If a child falls into a pit, would you blame the child or the parents who were supposed to watch the child? Batman always blabbered about “Justice” but was willing to let a psychotic serial killer roam about.

[@abrahamherrera7023]

@@charleschiemekaekeogu6908 really you gonna compare superman with a child?

[@charleschiemekaekeogu6908]

@@abrahamherrera7023 actually I’m comparing Joker to a child and Batman as the parent who is supposed to “take care” of him.

[@dohomework3864]

Plot twist: Superman's actually Jason Todd in this universe

[@peternotpeter4201]

So instead of Red Hood he’s Red Cape

[@imanonymous8177]

And Jason Todd is Clark? Oh my god…

[@SuperHaoken]

Actually Jason is still alive in this universe

[@imanonymous8177]

@@SuperHaoken pretty sure we all know this :/

[@yuncelluz8709]

I literally just got to the part where the Superman asked why did you let him do this to me! So Jason

[@runtergerutscht4401]

How to prevent injustice: Superman: *goes to the white house* "Hey man the Joker escaped again and killed a bunch of people. Batman won't kill him and says I shouldn't either but isn't this thing, ya know, putting criminals to justice, your job?" President: "What, we can't kill him he's legally insane!" Superman: "If you keep letting him escape and kill people, you're legally insane. Grow up and give the order" President: "Hello Gotham police? Yeah could you please kill the Joker?" Police: "Finally!" The end

[@redflame2328]

🤣

[@abdulbah2176]

The best ending

[@cristobalalvarez5491]

Just send in delta force

[@keannix]

And then batman has another plan to prevent the police coming *bad ending*

[@amirgh7772]

@@cristobalalvarez5491 Batman fights better than delta force and joker keeps screwing over batman do delta force would get screwed

[@adamwilliams4928]

This comic series should have been classified as a class two substance. I remember going into withdrawals after I finished a volume waiting for the next one to release! XD

[@Shinobi_Jeff]

I feel like Bruce put his mask back on to hide the tears

[@tamerthrone4133]

So Batman knew Superman's parents were going to taken by the government, and didn't do anything about it, not even tell Clark himself. If I was Superman I would have thrown him into the sun.

[@Crotixz]

Batman has a reason for everything, thats why he is Batman.

[@tamerthrone4133]

@@Crotixz what reason could he have had to not try and not help out Clark to get his parents back and to not even try to help Clark, when he clearly needs it

[@tonyplays8083]

@@Crotixz so because he’s Batman he is above the law?

[@Crotixz]

@@tamerthrone4133 It hasn't been shown but I'm pretty sure that he has a reason

[@Crotixz]

@@tonyplays8083 When did I say that

[@nickdriskell4767]

Alfredo drops the mic* The crowd of fans: "THE BALLS ON THIS MAN"

[@theflashfan3234]

It is because of that night in the alley that Batman can never use a gun, never kill. It's his life's mission to end that. He is already a criminal as a vigilante, yet he chooses to save every single life he can, and spends his life doing Gotham PD's job. He brings the criminals to justice. Justice lets them get away. Batman genuinely believes that he is in no place to make the decision to take someone's life. That he can never be judge, jury and executioner. He can never take even a single step towards what that man in the alley was. Saying Clark is right when he says that Bruce mourns for the Joker shows how little Batman people actually read. He doesn't mourn for the Joker or Metropolis. He's mourns Superman and the ideal he set for the rest of the world, to be better than the scum of Gotham, and to be better, safer and happier than himself. He mourns his friend, Clark, who he sees going down the path of darkness, a path darker than the one he himself walks.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

Y'know Bruce with all his money could've imprisoned the joker on the moon right?, I mean hell there's even the bat cave that has a very very secure prison or better yet, Ask Clark to send him to the Phantom Zone but nope he'll always take him to Arkham where he'll always escape and kill double the people he killed the last time. Bruce is insane, IDK how be even convinces himself he's doing the right thing lol, he's the biggest villain Gotham has. Hell Joker and Batman were once poisoned and the antidote was just one pill that had to be taken fully to heal (that's what the description said). which meant only one of them could survive, Batman without knowing this still split it in half, forcing one down Joker's throat and swallowing the other half and then they both waited to either die or live... luckily they lived. The fact that this man is willing put more on the line for the Joker than for the people of Gotham is mind boggling.

[@biencsj1768]

@@enochyawwiredu7170 In fact once Batman did lock the Joker in the Batcave, but Hal let him out as an idiot.

[@enochyawwiredu7170]

@@biencsj1768 Yeah but how long was the Joker trapped in there?, From what I saw it was a record setting Arkham could never do... props to whoever wrote that comic that way but apart from That Batman is dumb when it comes to the joker on anyone else who writes him.

[@camilog777]

That still only show how bruce is selfish, he went with mourning an ideal instead of realizing that real people were hurting, which is what he always does, how good are you when your ideals are more important than peoples lives? the joker was dead, period, and nothing would change that, what could be changed was what to do with superman, if bruce really was thinking superman was gonna go full rogue, anyone with more than 2 braincells will think "maybe shunning him and letting him alone its not the best idea?" but no, bruce is egotistical and has to always act like mr. superior ground when it was literally the worse course of action posible, any decent human being knows pushing away someone in mourning will not result in them "becoming good again"

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

Well Now literally a entire city is dead and is his fault cuz he didn’t wanted to become a “man in that alley” for killing the joker

[@supernico374]

This conversation is extra sad when you consider that both of them have it backwards. Batman is dissapointed because the man that showed him Justice doesnt always have to come from the shadows could be capable of murdering people in cold blood (even the likes of Joker) so he desperatedly tries to appeal to "The Superman" completly ignoring the fact that Clark needed a friend to help him. And Superman keep´s trying to appeal to Bruce Wayne, when we all know that Bruce is just a mask for the real person "The Batman" and as such Clark cant comprehend why bruce is against him, even when he admits that the death of the joker was beneficial for mankind and that he would also impose global peace trought force if he had clark´s powers. This moment right here is an example of what happens when you put your story in the hands of very talented writers who know their shit and the characters they are working with, BRAVO.

[@momopenguins7335]

Good comment 10/10

[@antman1001000]

Yea for all the horrible writing in the series mostly to try and fit with Netherrealm's horrible take on Superman moments like these really show the writers at some level got both characters.

[@MrOmegatronic]

Definitely. I especially like how Batman projects his fears onto Clark here, too; when he says that justifying it once is all it takes, it's clear that he's not talking about _Superman_ . You can tell that Batman, above anything else, is terrified of a Batman who kills. ...And for that matter, the whole mask thing. There's a reason that after Superman took it off, Bruce put it back on while they were still talking: Superman didn't rip off Batman's mask, he ripped off Batman's _face_ .

[@deadpool3278]

If anyone’s wondering this is the injustice comics, personally would highly recommend it

[@simbriant]

Superman: "...they should be too scared to pull the trigger. You taught me that!" Batman: "Clark...well, damn, you got me there."

[@codysellers4151]

Bruce should have been there as his friend instead of as the cold, calculating detective who upholds his ideals without compromise. Its not just Bruce's fault though. If you read the comics or play the games you will see that Diana arguably is the main reason Clark stayed on his path. Even then, in the end Clark made hix own choices. There's plenty of blame to go around sadly.

[@MrJoelMiller]

Evil Diana, Doesn’t even know about what it means to be an amazon I mean the other Diana who is a hero knows how to be a amazon

[@SadistSerpent]

@@MrJoelMiller Diana is probably the furthest thing from actual Wonder Woman in Injustice. Completely awful badly written character.

[@battledroid8010]

@@SadistSerpent Thats because They needed injustice to go this way, had They used normal WW, Superman wouldnt have gone this far and injustice wouldnt had happen, so not really bad writing

[@darthrevan5976]

As a batman fan I can see where batman was wrong here if came with clark he could have been the antidote to the poison wonder women was filling clarks mind with he could counciled him not as batman but as a friend cause that's what supes needed most at the moment

[@Gizmo800]

Exactly. I'm batman fan and my favorite version of batman is injustice but what he did to clark was absolutely wrong. He should be ashamed for what he did but he didn't.

[@sukuna6630]

Batman straight up told Clark he needs to stop before things get worse he actively tried warning and reseoning with superman but superman hubris is the ultimate enemy he didn't recognize he had problem that he should have stopped He blames everything joker batman on batman despite the fact that he's just as guilty as batman Bruce wasn't so sure about what Clark was doing but tried being there if superman had listen to batman things would have been different

[@jerromimuckle139]

@@sukuna6630 exactly. Bats even told joker Superman wouldn’t falter come on now he had to have heard his faith in him all for supes to destroy the faith bats had in him. Hell he saw it then that it was a wrap time to start preparing.

[@Ricardo7250]

This scene is great. The conversation flows naturally and the back and forths between them (followed by respect) are really well done

[@jessemillan1385]

"Mention my parents again and I will put you down where you stand, Clark!!"-Batman "Then what are you waiting for?"-Superman "Oh Man!!"-Nightwing (while he and Damian watch)

[@EdmundLoh]

Superman: one death, to save millions. Batman: it starts with - One thing I don't know why It doesn't even matter how hard you try Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme To explain in due time All I know Time is a valuable thing Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings Watch it count down to the end of the day The clock ticks life away

[@lumpystilskin5367]

So this is where the Evil Superman trend started

[@GlockMonster29]

Im on Supermans side. I always agreed with putting Joker on ice but after that he lost control and his mind.

[@utkarshgupta2943]

The music took me to the batcave!

[@emunah8038]

When Batman said "I can't, Clark" That's when Superman became Heisenberg

[@RayoBeatz]

you are all missing Alfred's point it's not a smart-ass comeback it's him hinting you can't control people's free will.

[@Mokiefraggle]

It's also (probably unintentionally on the part of the writers) calling Clark a child. Recently read that a traditional butler would be addressing not the adults he worked for, but the _children_ of the family as "Master." Like, it makes a weird sense for him to call Bruce "Master," in that regard: Bruce is basically his son, and he understands that under the Batman is a damaged child who never really got the chance to be. But calling Clark that, in that precise moment, coupled with his "Let's remember that," is practically telling him "You're acting out like a spoiled infant tossing his rattle out of the pram, understand that there are ways to deal with spoiled infants who get too big for their britches." After all, Batman keeps kryptonite on-hand, and Alfred _has_ on at least one occasion pointed out that while _Bruce_ has a rule against killing, _he_ has no such qualms.

[@smoothisfast6644]

Two things here: 1) Lego Batman was right, Batman cant live without the Joker, 2) Batman should have gone and used his shark repellent.

[@dominiquemendy6307]

Yup

[@BaronMorte]

The messed up part is that neither of them are actually wrong, when you really think about it. They are diametrically opposed in an impossible argument and the only real solution involves "which side are you gonna pick?" type of situation. Schrödinger's Cat scenario (both are right and nobody is right, at the same time; no real way of truly knowing WTF is really happening). The Supes-Bat Bromance ended in that timeline, and it happened not long after Clark asked Bruce to be his unborn kid's Godfather, which Bruce happily accepted (punched right in the feels). Great writing.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

I kind of wish Civil War in the comics was better written like this, but I still think the premise of it does gave that whole "whose side are you going to pick"

[@lowkeylego112]

Batman "It always starts with one." Pringles "Once you pop you can't stop."

[@gonzoelganso8751]

This is literally a marriage.

[@MetAlcboy]

Bruh, Superman just ripped Batman's mask off. That is just mad disrespectful, Superman started getting way too comfortable. 😂

[@dimitriv4987]

This is a scene that needs to be acted out, so much emotion. Division between best friends and brother

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Isn't an Injustice animated movie coming out?

[@dimitriv4987]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 indeed, it was announced

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@dimitriv4987 when exactly did they say would it be released?

[@jerromimuckle139]

Affleck and Cavill could do it perfectly

[@TahmidA150]

Damn this dialogue exchange was so good!

[@AlaskanGhost]

"I miss the people we were then." -Batman to Superman, Injustice 2.

[@-flowerbloom9305]

Superman : Proceed to punch batman really hard

[@iandominiclagman7546]

There are people in this comment section siding with Clark. This is understandable. He has valid points. Bruce letting the joker live has cost millions of deaths. If we look at the Joker's motives, however, it's never been to destroy as many lives as possible, but to bring great beings like superman and batman low. To prove that we're all jokers, which is ultimately what happened to Clark when he killed the joker. He spiraled. In the end the joker stopped taking lives, but he was replaced by superman. I think batman was right.

[@erikphelan7508]

But had he been there for Clark, it’s more then likely he would have prevented all this .

[@Lord1885]

@@erikphelan7508 Not if Superman would still try to justify killing villains. "It never stops with one". That's why Superman's dream of things going differently is so cool. In it Batman is one killing Joker and gives himself to authorities. It's still a man killing just another man. Not Demigod realising that he can impose his vision of the world by any means necessary

[@dariuzthemacaroni1308]

Batman first mistake was playing jokers game in the first place.

[@retronerds6884]

@@Lord1885 nah he killed some villains but he sent the rest to the phantom zone

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

Batman is wrong Batman treated superman like shit for killing his boyfriend the joker

[@omega.ak1]

0:58 Ngl if I was Bats and he did this to me, I would have pissed myself a bit right there.

[@Wade_N]

Honestly? If Bruce was just there for Clark, being a good friend, acting as a voice of reason and moral guidance making sure that he doesn’t go any further than killing the Joker or rather helping him develop the Justice League to take a more proactive role in peacekeeping and saving people (staving away from the fascism), countering Diana’s influence, things would have been different.

[@dungeonguy88]

Yeah, but Bruce is damaged. He doesn't really know how to do that in the way that Clark needed.

[@gabaduran3333]

Exactly, things would change if instead of Diana, Bruce were there

[@jerromimuckle139]

Did you pay attention to when supes accused him of loving joker he put his mask back on? I’d like to think that’s due him being unable to explain what he fears or see in his dreams which I think is the Batman who laughs. Which is another and main reason I think he try’s so hard to save as many as he can. Just me though

[@tjknight]

Dude talked as if Jason Todd wasn't beaten to death with a crowbar, I'm surprised Bats didn't punch him as soon as he claimed Batman loved the Joker

[@diegodeluquev1433]

This is all because he still owes him money and Batman refuses to pay

[@iluvmydeadbf8828]

It’s sad that the justice league forgot that superman killed shazam

[@merlin3245]

never shouldve happened smh

[@iluvmydeadbf8828]

@@merlin3245 I agree Shazam would’ve claps superman if he had the time to say shazam 😕

[@windandcloudshadow158]

@@iluvmydeadbf8828 Superman beats Shazam like he owes him money lol.

[@iluvmydeadbf8828]

@@windandcloudshadow158 Shazam was still a kiddo

[@merlin3245]

@@windandcloudshadow158 superman shouldn't be able to beat Shazam.

[@rh3medy]

Man, they truly feel like friends and it's just sad.

[@blueglasses2843]

Batman: *explains why he never kills* Superman: so you gay?

[@ZappyGuitar]

Good work man, good work!

[@porobotboyxxx]

2:38-3:47 Eww… that’s not fair. Despite what people say, Batman truly hates the Joker, there’s no love that the Dark Knight has for him. Sure there’s pity for the Madman, but never love. One can argue that for the Joker, but it’s one-sided at best.

[@andrewgarfield9898]

I don’t think it’s love in a romantic type way if that’s what you’re thinking. More of us “arch nemesis type thing”. Like maybe Batman enjoyed the thrill of going against the joker. In some twisted way he enjoyed his battles with Joker. I certainly always loved going against the joker in a video game(Arkham) for example because he was such a fun villain

[@KamiSamaisPissed]

@@andrewgarfield9898 I don't think you understand batman nor his values, he is mourning yes, not because joker died but because he turned Superman like this, Bruce always believed in superman being better in the pair

[@rikacomedyletsplays2581]

In what ways does killing a mass murder mean losing humanity. Dont tell me any swat or cop member wouldnt have put a bullet in him after seeing the fucker basically nuke a town

[@TS-jm7jm]

@@rikacomedyletsplays2581 its retarded comic book logic with a tenuous connection if that to anything resembling reality, the real world doesnt work even remotely like comics in either physics obviously or morals which is less obvious

[@erikphelan7508]

@@KamiSamaisPissed Bruce should understand that Clark is more human then both of them and he screws up sometimes. He was too focused on Superman the icon and not Clark the grieving husband and father

[@trvpmusic2569]

In this part of the story superman was in the 100% right a mad man just killed millions including his family and planned to do it again and all batman wanted to do was lock him up for the MILLIONTH time full on knowing he would obviously get out again and kill more people Joker needed to be executed

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Dark Knight Returns Bruce killed the stupid Clown. For good.

[@drewhutchison3115]

It’s too bad Batman betrayed his friend and the Justice League. And in Injustice 2, Supergirl betrayed her own cousin for killing people. And she still clings on to the House of El’s meaning which is flawed and worthless, if Jor-El had joined Zod, he might have saved Krypton. Superman will save the Earth and re-educate the human population, teach them a more ordered means of governance, and make them see the error of their ways.

[@tylerleach8796]

@@georgejoestarii9469 no he didn't. Joker killed himself in that book.

[@tylerleach8796]

@@drewhutchison3115 don't cut yourself on all that edge there, buddy.

[@georgejoestarii9469]

@@tylerleach8796 I was talking about Earth 31/Dark Knight Returns.

[@rafibenavi4772]

Allowing Joker to live is, was and always would be the greatest of sins...Allowing him to live after EVERYTHING he's EVER done is like giving Plutonium to Dr. No and handing him a Get Out of Jail Free card every time he uses it...Killing The Joker was righteous...

[@retronerds6884]

Joker should've been killed after he crippled Barbara

[@MrOmegatronic]

Interestingly, Batman outright said why he never killed the Joker, no matter what: He's afraid of what _he_ would become. If he justified it even once, well... let's face it, Batman is insane, and knows he's insane. It's clear here that he believes that if he were to kill the Joker, to justify it this one time, then he'd never stop. He'd jump headlong off the slippery slope, and become a villain even worse than everyone in Arkham put together. Batman's greatest fear, simply put... is *Batman* .

[@abigails4088]

it really was... BUT IT WASN'T BRUCE'S SIN... nor Clarks... the sin is on the people who had the POWER and who had him in custody the majority of his criminal career---- THE STATE. If the US Government had a vested interest in his death, it would have happened any one of the times he was captured and locked up.

[@justagamer4190]

Batman has an obsession with saving lives because of the deaths of his parents. That's why he chooses to spare amd save as many as possible including his enemy's. Trama is a hell of a thing and is very influential.

[@killmonger5097]

It always starts with one

[@bearjuncture]

I never got what with the Dc universe and the no killing rule, while the MCU is fine with kill the threat.

[@sackboyx9128]

@@bearjuncture well in the dceu, pretty much every hero has killed before as well. It just the comics that follow the no kill rule, not sure if marvel comics follow that rule or not tho

[@atlas1542]

It always started with one rule applies to dip shits who can’t differentiate between killing one to save millions versus killing a simple purse snatcher

[@NoBody-lj5xh]

@@atlas1542 It's not that he won't be able to tell the difference, or that he'll start strangling petty criminals. It's that he's seen redemption in the kind of men he would kill whole sale. Look at Joe Chill, for instance. Most versions of Batman have at one point tryed or plotted to kill the man who killed Martha and Thomas, but recently, Joe achieved a full redemption in the eyes of Batman, Bruce even held his hand and comforted him as he passed away. If he'd have been the Batman that Superman wants him to be and killed Chill, then out of hate and a self-absorbed since of "justice" he would've killed a good man in a fucked situation who didn't deserve it, without ever realizing that what he'd done was wrong.

[@atlas1542]

@@NoBody-lj5xh no no no. Joker who has not changed one bit besides like in one instance in a different comic is and won’t change if you haven’t noticed his past history. If you think he’s still redeemable you have to have one brain cell to believe that. Superman is in the right

[@LouieDaShortie]

Why are there comments here saying if Bruce was actually there for Clark, it would have been different? You literally had Wonder Woman up Clark’s ass this entire time feeding him bs even when Bruce kept telling Clark not to go down that path. WW was a MAJOR factor

[@erikphelan7508]

Absolutely but Bruce is Clark’s best friend and he could’ve been his moral compass in the situation and stop wonder woman from putting the thoughts in his head. But he couldn’t swallow his pride to help his best friend.

[@MasterSwordMaster15]

I don’t get it either. Bruce is telling people constantly that this is wrong, telling Clark that he needs to stop, that he’s scaring and hurting people. Not sure how that’s not appealing to his justice and kindness.

[@decodelifehacker3446]

6:39 Alfred coming with the casual sass

[@jefthereaper]

Me: you could also just only kill the villians that have not reformed after countless attempts and are unlikely able to be saved, while just jailing the rest as they can be saved? Batman and Superman: NO! We either kill no one, or everyone!

[@NaViAgain-ts9lj]

Superman only killed bad people and traitors

[@jefthereaper]

@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Remember Billy? "Traitor" is a very loose term here.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Of course, Superman was the one that got to decide who was bad and who was a traitor. And before long, he was quickly deeming the whole world bad and traitorous.

[@NaViAgain-ts9lj]

@@jefthereaper it was in the injustice game. The comics was better.

[@jefthereaper]

@@NaViAgain-ts9lj Did not finish reading all the comics from this. But it was mostly still just black and white. If supes only executed all the impossible cases, while still jailing and reforming others, while not going full dictator, then he would have had a point.

[@Alex-jg1fp]

Wait a second, no one is going to call out Batman about how fast & loose his playing with his "no killing" rule? Didn't he have plans to "take out" all of the justice league members? If I remember correctly, those plans were lethal.

[@Scorchwad]

Batman’s plans were non lethal, whoever stole them altered them

[@Alex-jg1fp]

​@@Scorchwad His plan for Berry is a "Vibra-bullet" that induces epileptic seizures. A seizure that lasts longer than 5 minutes, or having more than 1 seizure within a 5 minutes period, is a medical emergency that may lead to permanent brain damage or death. And since Flash will be having seizures at "lightspeed", won't this kill him right away? Admittedly, most of his original plans seemed to be non-lethal, but some might as well be classified under torture. Funny enough, didn't Batman also berate Superman for doing that in Injustice?

[@db5094]

@@Alex-jg1fp Was that Flash contingency plan? I remember it being something else

[@wajalama]

Superman claiming that Batman only kept Joker around because he loved having him as his nemesis sounds a bit hypocritical, when he kept Lex Luthor alive the whole time as well, no?

[@eobardthawn6903]

I suppose in this universe, originally they were comrades. It does work for most Supermen, but not this one. Still, he probably has other enemies he kept around.

[@wajalama]

@@eobardthawn6903 Ah that's true, I forgot this dimension's Luthor was a good guy.

[@eobardthawn6903]

@@wajalama It's a common misconception. Was a weird switch to the usual cannon from the story. Totally acceptable.

[@retronerds6884]

No this universe luthor is a good guy and usually the government always saves luthor or his money

[@DM-Oz]

Well, while is not the case for Luthor, he does send many enemies to the phantom zone

[@giomartino6]

Oof that bit with alfred damn stared sups down like a boss

[@BigJavWJ]

Im just saying... but maybe if bruce would have gone with him, superman wouldn't end up being a monster

[@retronerds6884]

Not one of his supposed friends was there for him

[@gabaduran3333]

@@retronerds6884 You said it true, no one was, they were very sensitives

[@retronerds6884]

@@gabaduran3333 exactly easy for a traumatized person to become a monster without a support system Bruce knows this better than anyone

[@sukuna6630]

Literally Bruce told Clark he should stop but superman in his arrogance and hubris assumed he didn't need to superman injustice is told many times how he needs to stop before things get worse but he always chooses not to listen Batman tried warning and reasoning with him but superman ultimately refused to listen

[@IDMYM8]

These kind of things make me realise that even though Batman is just a mere human he has really, really high responsibilities. He could make and break things at the position he is in. His decisions matters alot. And now I realise why JLA have him.

[@immersiveparadox]

Idk why Bruce cared so much about a serial killer. Went even far blaming Kent for a murder, “You killed a man, Clark!” My ass.

[@typeouetco1626]

that's litterally what he did

[@Blazieth]

The thing to remember is that Bruce is *every bit* as pathologically damaged as his rogues; his psychosis is bent toward stopping crime and saving lives, though. Even if it means saving the life of a mass-murderer, because any death that Bruce was even *potentially* capable of preventing is absolute anathema to him

[@thecrownprince888]

@@typeouetco1626 he killed a psychopath that killed millions, I’d kill the Joker if I was Superman with no regrets.

[@typeouetco1626]

@@thecrownprince888 and incidentally, a man

[@eleanor9149]

The pain of losing a family is so damn big and i can imagine how much superman suffers losing his family Losing his reason to always be a good person

[@silver292]

Dang, that last comment from Alfred. What a legend.

[@ClassicalPio]

Goated channel

[@jon4661]

And of course, Batman breaks his middle finger on Superman's face 🤣

[@ninjalo3752]

I love how Tom Taylor ran away with this concept as a writer and just dissed the fuck out of it recently.

[@wa6280]

I think Tom's run himself out of a job with what he's been doing recently on the comic book scene.

[@ninjalo3752]

@@wa6280 His suicide squad run wasn't bad. If you're talking about making John bisexual...that was gonna happen anyway. Either to Supermans son or Batmans. Technically they got them both if you count Tim Drake. Just the way it goes now.

[@nicholasfilms140]

This gives me a whole new look on the injustice storyline

[@mrinternet5877]

you know this hits hard, especially that you taught me that line like come on bats your one to talk about scaring and fear that is your whole thing thats literally your argument against Hal about having a yellow ring on you lol like come on son i think what upset you most was supes finally crossed that line you wanted to for so long. Also alfred at the end being a badass

[@DarthVaizard]

Alfred got in an absolute stinger at the end. The writer's knew he'd get his chance...

[@DraacoClaye]

Batman going wouldn't have mattered though. With Superman right on the edge, Wonder Woman basically boosting the problem, and all the supers really just tired of being super good, that Batman would have been out voted with trying to stop the problem, and more than likely ended up beaten to near death like the Australian rookie hero. Alfred was just a cruel reminder of what Superman was leading to becoming, which sometimes people need to hear the hard truth.

[@damianoguglielmino8968]

This is just ONE of the moment that explains why injustice is a masterpiece. JUST ONE

[@eddieandrews2922]

I have gotten away from comics and this tid bit made me feel like reading some more good ones!!!

[@jessemillan1385]

"you don't have to call me master."-Superman "Good. Let's remember that."-Alfred(thinking: can't wait to punch him in the face soon.)

[@genoveus]

This scenario has already happened in alternative dimension called “KINGDOM COME”. In that universe, instead of becoming a dictator after the Joker poisoned the Daily Planet, Superman just secluded himself in his fortress; and what did Batman to maintain order? Nothing. He also hid in his batcave; I feel like, Batman is just following what Clark does...

[@Spidey-oi5sn]

The fact that Batman knew very damn well that he couldn't do shit to Superman and just punches him anyway was fucking hilarious XD

[@SamuelRodriguez-jw4hp]

Your underrated man