The Legendary Comeback Of American Computers

When an industry gets mature and starts getting commoditized, we almost always see a race to the bottom. Whether it was automobiles, TVs, computers, or appliances, Asian brands eventually destroyed Western brands thanks to their comparable reliability and far better economics. Within the computer market, the Asian brands that were winning were Asus, Acer, and Lenovo, but this didn’t last forever. In fact, over the past 10 years, HP and Dell have very much reclaimed their brand dominance within the computer market. One of the main reasons for this is that consumers are now looking for different attributes when purchasing a computer. They’re no longer looking for the cheapest machine on the market but rather, the best machine on the market within a reasonable price range. This video explains how American brands won back the computer market, and why Asian brands were not able to keep up.
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2:16 - Exhausted Customers
4:40 - Peak Computer
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[@haroldpierre1726]

It's funny how quickly people forgot the computer hardware revolution and think that the AI revolution is occurring faster than any other technological progress in history. The computer revolution, internet revolution, and mobile communication revolution went blazing fast; not faster or slower than the AI. We have short term memory and always think, this time is different.

[@PaulFPad]

Yep, recency bias is a fun thing ain't it?

[@vedantmungre1702]

It surely was a time of great change when smartphone revolution, internet revolution collided

[@haroldpierre1726]

@@vedantmungre1702 You are correct. I remembered doubting that the smartphone would overtake the use of desktop computers. Boy was I so wrong.

[@abhishankpaul]

We didn't have internet widespread back in the day, so these reports largely went unnoticed in average Joe's eyes. Only if you are an avid newspaper or journal reader, you would have witnessed the rapid strides in hardwares

[@Ran_Do]

The damn ironic as my dell started malfunctioning yesterday leaving me to do an assignment on a lenovo.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha

[@paul2413]

Like a week ago my Dell XPS 15 randomly turned off and refuses to come on and my local repair shop is having trouble finding parts for the integrated circuits 😭

[@halo129830]

Weirdly enough intel has a factory in Albuquerque and during the trump admin the admin tried to convince dell to reopen other sectors of the factory but Albuquerque democrats didn’t want it opened but rio Rancho wanted it only during the chips act that finally got passed did they relent and let intel open up other assembly lines

[@g.o2092]

Yeah I'm never touching a Dell again, not even with a 10-foot pole. I've heard too many tales of woe about their abysmal Quality Control issues. From personal experience, I've seen 2 dell laptops randomly die for no reason (My mums and my cousin smh) I'll stick to HP forever honestly. I once bought a low-end HP and it still served me for 5-years (It was launched in 2014, and I purchased it in 2019) Sure it slowed down a lot over time, but it never tripped-off on me. It's still alive to this day. I turn it on every once in a while to retrieve 1 or 2 files. Could never be Dell

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

My HP's RAM malfunctioned a few weeks ago and I had to remove one of the sticks. The laptop is literally less than a year old

[@horridohobbies]

We've reached "peak smartphone" as well. Smartphones in the last several years have become capable enough for the vast majority of users. Displays are good enough. Cameras are good enough. Batteries are good enough. People are keeping their smartphones longer, say, 4-5 years.

[@Art-is-craft]

We are not yet at peak smartphone. Once AI becomes embedded within the phone that will probably be a peak. As that AI will be embedded in everything.

[@horridohobbies]

@@Art-is-craft AI is largely a software issue, not a hardware issue. It generally relies on an Internet connection. When Apple comes out with AI later this year, it will trickle down to previous iPhone models.

[@user-bf5qh3ih4u]

@@Art-is-craftfeatures that are tied to the cloud is extremely idiotic. Ai is useless unless we can do it locally.

[@stevenorlikowski598]

There's a push to use local AI models, both on phones and on PC's, because some companies don't want to push their sensitive data to the cloud.

[@horridohobbies]

@@stevenorlikowski598 It's not only the model that counts, it's the *data* associated with the model. Y'know, the entire world's body of knowledge. Trying to shoehorn the world's knowledge into a smartphone, even one with 1TB of storage, is laughably naive. In the cloud, all that knowledge reside on vast server farms.

[@pearan]

i love how lenovo logo is mising

[@hystonix]

0:52

[@baoquoc3710]

it's called windows file incompatibility

[@CosmicCitiZenOfficial]

Feels like DejaVu

[@markm0000]

Might as well not exist. Terrible

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

Interesting fact : Lenovo actually now owns brands that made first proper laptop (IBM Thinkpad) and phone (Motorola) but over a decade ago it wasn't a major brand

[@jimk8520]

For me, It wouldn’t matter how good an hp computer was. Their ink pricing schemes have turned me away from their products permanently.

[@yousefrafid4104]

Hp is the worst laptop company soo far

[@firstnamebunchofnumbers430]

they are absolutely evil when it comes to printers and their general "consumer" lines like hp pavilion. but I wouldn't cross 'em out just yet. on the business end of things, like their probooks, they are actually fantastic when it comes to build quality, repairs and maintenance. If you want to treat yourself well, don't buy the consumer or prosumer crap, get the sturdy business stuff.

[@Ameen_Sha]

boycott hp

[@theberserker_of_falconia]

Jews 😂

[@jimk8520]

@@firstnamebunchofnumbers430 after spending the last 20+ years fixing business equipment, I can say with certainty that “professional” business equipment has it’s own distinct versions of fuckery., too and hp would still be a no.

[@changye9604]

As a guy that work in retail selling PCs Dells and HPs have become alot more premium over the last couple of years.

[@skyscall]

Definitely this. Both companies have totally rebranded their logos to look way more modern, too. It's almost shocking seeing the upward trajectory; just a few years ago an average Dell and an average Asus were damn near the same thing.

[@akin242002]

Yep. Especially on the business lines. - Dell Latitude 5000s, 7000s, and 9000s series. - Dell Precision 7000s series for extreme workstations. - Dell XPS 17/16 for prosumers. - HP EliteBook 8000s series. - HP Zbook Fury for extreme workstations. - HP Spectre x360 14 for prosumers.

[@chrismartinez6844]

Another thing to add is that HP started sharing repair guides for their laptops and selling some replacement parts.

[@user-bf5qh3ih4u]

I think the issue was that they didn’t really stock the parts

[@chrismartinez6844]

@@user-bf5qh3ih4u yeah they only support them for about 1-2 yrs so you're often left with aftermarket or eBay parts

[@cassiuscartland]

Good that they did that considering most HPs have hinge problems after the first hour

[@jong.7944]

This is a really optimistic way of describing what really happened - increasing monopolization of the tech industry leading to reduced competition and innovation. I suppose you could "look at the sunny side" and say, "Yay, I have to buy a computer less often because nothing much changes!" - or you could wonder about all the innovative tech we're missing out on...

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

"Innovation we're missing out" yeah NO. Innovation is alive and well. It exist but extremely expensive. Laptop new form factor is all screen with a detachable keyboard. While pc and normal laptop have already reach peak design between function and purpose. You're basically complaining about the lack of innovation for the wheel.

[@jong.7944]

@@RandomPerson-tz7wk I'm sure AT&T said the same thing in 1984, that they had reached peak innovation with telephony services and that only by maintaining their monopoly could any innovation possibly be forthcoming.

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

@jong.7944 1. There's no monopolization in tech. Literally no tech company is anywhere near atnt 1984 level. 2. Innovation company die all the time. Just look at lg smart phone design. Not enough people bought it, they exit the smartphone industry. People want safe and reliable product and service. It's everyone prefer iphone than andriod that change every single year.

[@5Melons]

Still rocking a 2016 HP Spectre! Great laptop, have been using it as a home server

[@jensenraylight8011]

Yes, high end Dell & HP laptop basically last forever, some people even still daily drive 2008 Dell & HP laptop and can run pretty much any Modern Task with ease, with the exception of gaming these laptops are like a Swiss Army knife

[@hzsid8733]

Im surprised. But this days, modern HP laptops aren't that great anymore. Mine and several others on reddit had hinge problems after 2-3 years of using. Mine is a mid range laptop, havent tried their flagship laptops though maybe thats another case

[@shrishpotdar343]

​@@jensenraylight8011 I had a Dell laptop last for almost 10-12 years, the power delivery got fried 2 years ago unfortunately 😢 so it's useless now, but the laptop was usable 😊

[@Jeevan-im4bk]

My HP laptop broke in 2 years and they refused to even touch it. I'm running my Asus that I bought in 2013 and it's still going strong.

[@roar]

I had a Spectre, it only looks nice, but it was garbage and died quickly

[@tupaicindjeke275]

I'll never replace my PC or laptop consumption for a phone

[@Baulder13]

I like a small phone and a 15" laptop and I will die on this hill.

[@devinedude3690]

Your channel & content is like having an expert on your subjects in my KZbin feed... My understanding & insights have grown massively - thanks to you... All the best!!! Keep the good work coming...

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Thank you so much Devin!

[@estebancastellino3284]

my PC is 15 years old and it's just as crappy today as it was back then :D

[@DJ_BROBOT]

your history is messed up...Lenovo purchased IBM's computer branch (Thinkpad) . So Lenovo didnt crush them, IBM exited the space and Lenovo rose from that. Thats a big difference.

[@nihilriv3r]

I haven’t been able to place it myself but I’ve felt like there has been an issue with information quality on this channel lately. You seemed to confirm that for at least one video.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Mentioned that later in the video at 9:02 :)

[@manishdk]

​@@nihilriv3rcan you please list the misinformation in recent videos found by you?

[@TeeHee-vo1bn]

@@manishdk The perception of Asian PCs are cheaper than American is totally wrong. Dell and HP have always sold affordable PCs at rock bottom prices. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for.

[@TeeHee-vo1bn]

@@nihilriv3r I would agree. The misinformation on this channel can be glaring sometimes. Either the author didn't do enough research or just being biased.

[@jayspeidell]

I like my System 76. A little pricey but exactly the computer I wanted.

[@gamagama69]

yeah aftwr installing linux on my victus laptop i get why people go for specific laptops lol. i love having a bunch of little compatibilities its so fun

[@danielhalachev4714]

I am surprised that Dell and HP of all companies managed to stay on top, given their terrible reliability in the last few years. They produced excellent machines 10 years ago, like my HP EliteBook, which I used to write this comment, but not anymore. Adding up HP's recent printer scams, the situation gets worse.

[@akin242002]

Dell Latitude line (office work & finance focused) is highly durable. Same for HP EliteBook's 800s series laptops.

[@F1ve-seveN]

Being an HP intern in hardware it's good to see my company thrive 😊 But it is also bad to hear that the brand from my country (Acer, Asus) getting tue hate and got dismissed heavily 😢

[@ZOBOFFICAL]

WE BREAKING HINGES WITH THIS ONE!!!!!

[@balpreetsingh6834]

Great video as always

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Thank you as always Balpreet!

[@rory6984]

Great video! I've had the same razer laptop for 4 years no plans on replacing it until it blows up

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Ah, I love Razer products! They definitely charge a premium though hahaha

[@kevinbarry71]

Honda and Toyota did not just win on price, their cars were, and remain, superior. Also, RCA and Phillips were long gone by the time LG and Samsung arrived on the scene

[@Art-is-craft]

Honda and Toyota cars are not superior. They are reliable and cheaper. That is the same as being a superior product.

[@007.M-D]

Experience shows that you nailed it . Even though there are a few geostrategic hidden reasons also, plus some late understanding of the word ecosystem by some brands... well summarized .

[@fluesque]

Nice updated animations and voiceover for Silo at the end lol

[@matthewrichardson2533]

I always liked my HP laptops. from my experience they have a good build and nice keyboards for typing. They have decent lower scale stuff but really stepped it up with the x360 envy line and up. not saying other brands suck but I was surprised how tanky and decently built HP laptops have been for me. And then everyone loves Apple... unless they're gamers or use Windows software for work.

[@Code7Unltd]

Their keyboards hold up to the spiciest of pillows. Not sure if that speaks to the durability of the laptop or how cheap the lithium battery in them is...

[@matthewrichardson2533]

@@Code7Unltd haven't run into that. I've seen videos of laptop batteries swelling but I don't know if that's just an HP problem. But HP keyboards tend to be so soft and clicky. The only other laptops that stand out to me is the Zephryus from ASUS, LG gram or Samsung Galaxy Book. But those are even more expensive than HP Spectres

[@exzld]

​@@matthewrichardson2533weird you say that. I have seen more dell laptops with this problem (worked at a place that did recycling. I dont know how common it is. rarely saw HPs with that issue. Age might also be a factor but still.

[@matthewrichardson2533]

@@exzld probably. it's probably the age of the battery more than anything. It's nice to see so many cheaper Elitebooks and Thinkpads that still hold up. I'm looking to get one to mess around with Linux on.

[@EditorHeart]

*Every Video is Logically Answered 😊 Thank You*

[@BotPlayz9123]

I just wanna know that is does acer aspire series have any build quality issues, cause mine have creaky hinges from day 1

[@bornashamloo]

The Silo promo was well made but I gotta admit the transition was abrupt especially since I have KZbin premium and thought it was an ad cutaway. Perhaps a quick "to conclude, here's a word regarding our new app" would work better

[@SirusStarTV]

Does youtuber income gets destroyed when their viewers watch their videos with youtube premium? Because why would KZbin pay them when they're no ads clicks.

[@bornashamloo]

@@SirusStarTV KZbinrs who are apart of the creator program still get a cut from the KZbin Premium revenue. What I meant was, I have KZbin premium so I don't have ads, when the Silo promo came up, I was confused at first because I thought a KZbin ad was playing. So I'm suggesting he give a quick second to announce the promo.

[@bradharmon2216]

Great analysis. Thanks

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Glad it was informative Brad!

[@Chag69420]

I'm still rocking a HP elite desk g2 800 mini as the main print computer for my printing business, just upgraded the RAM and wifi/bluetooth. Will be upgrading the CPU next. Great little machines the mini elitedesk series. Mines coming on 9 years old. Definitely got a few more years left in it too. Only running an i3 6100 and 16gb. I can go to an i7 6700 and 32gb for very little.

[@thegooddoctor6719]

Yep, you nailed that assessment. I bought s HP Omen recently - I was thinking, when did HP build quality stuff again. My PC is built like a tank. Even though I'm not too impressed with the Warranty - The PC is Topnotch...... Good Work HP !!!!!

[@frednitney5831]

You deliberately bought anything from DRM, sorry, I mean HP? For shame.

[@exzld]

​@@frednitney5831drm? what?

[@thegooddoctor6719]

@@frednitney5831 I don't Blame you for your response. I too thought HP could only make PCs that were a pile of SH|T, bottom of the barrel, throw away crap . Until I bought this HP Omen - I couldn't believe my eyes. WTF - When did HP go from Packard Bell quality to Top Tier Quality. TBH, I bought it because It was a refurbished i9 13900K CPU and a 4090 GPU for $2100. I was just buying it for the 4090. But when I got it, it's 50 Lbs of Mostly High Quality Brand Name components (D@MN even Reviews said it probably one of the versions of the best 4090 out there). Dude, I wasn't looking to buy an HP pc. But Man was I wrong about the this thing. You want to experience a "WTF " moment, go to you local Microcenter Store and look at one of their HP Omen PC. If you ever do, please let me know what you think.

[@abubakr1731]

I'm using a lenovo work station from 2017 (P51) This thing is a tank, even after 6 years it still gives 7 hours of battery life for moderate tasks, has 4gb of graphics card for basic gaming and perfect for my work (mostly web development)

[@warsmithalaric]

On my fourth Lenovo now, and I am unlikely to change. Ive only had to replace them because the hardware got dated. If i went HP though it would be some of their business laptops.

[@stevesmith-sb2df]

In the late 1990's we sent our engineers to asia to teach them how to manufacture computers.

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

American brands have to manufacture their product in Asia to stay cheap and competitive in much bigger markets

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

Honestly it shouldn’t have happened and now these companies are paying for it through Defective products

[@sydguitar99]

Ive had my xps 15 for the 5 years now and it still runs as fast as the day i got it

[@nsd6422]

Excellent video will you make a video about the surface brand ?

[@xoradato]

Currently watching this video from my Dell Inspiron from 10 years ago is amazing how the quality of it. Dell is a good brand to buy from.

[@okman9684]

Hope Framework comes out one of those big american personal computer company

[@ArunkumarGR]

Always used to go for non chinese brands whenever possible. But realised the quality of "Made In China" products rose exponentially over last decade while keeping prices down. My DELL started getting problems within a week of purchase during 2020 Covid times. Struggled to make it run, finally used UBUNTU to even perform badic file management. Exchanged with a Lenovo within the same price bracket and so happy with the built and performance. Learnt the Asian brands give better specs and value for the money we spend than europen/americans. Lenovo/Asus of 1000$ will give the same as a DELL of 1300 or 1500$. HP is a bit better but still lagging behind.

[@planesrift]

Dell never fails me.

[@choco_polus]

Pavilion Gaming 15 (2019) Overall no issues so far, battery is genuine although it's a replacement installed in late 2022. I had planned to do RAM and storage upgrades but covid and many other priority changes. In a year or two i hope to replace it (with anything, a newer laptop or an assembled desktop pc) and either sell it or keep it, probably as a Linux machine

[@smamudhan]

At this point, after having daily driven so many different brands; my laptop buying philosophy is this: If PC -> ThinkPad or Dell XPS/Precision else MacBook

[@meinradsocial3740]

Underrated comment

[@Oh.Brazil]

This is mostly for laptops for gaining desktops the Asian brands dominate even in the GPU market because they sell aftermarket cards from AMD and NVIDIA

[@cakedon]

"6 seconds ago" is crazy

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Thanks for being early cakedon!

[@Cryptz]

I thought I would get away from this leaving insta 💀

[@theToonLink2]

Don’t bring that over here.

[@HiddenAdept]

Always heard negative comments about american computer brands but tried the HP VR Backpack G2 in 2019 cause it was so unique. Was happy with it till Black Friday last year when HP had some fantastic discounts and got a HP Z2 G9 computer cause of how good the VR Backpack system was.

[@MarkHyde]

Lenovo and HP/Dell mix here. Happy with all of them as I chose custom hardware features. (I'm also part of the Apple ecosystem but that is due to work.)

[@adityaanand9683]

What's hp good at ? Terrible hinges?

[@eriferguecol]

Oracle acuired Sun on 2010, Java Stations were not Oracle's idea. Anyways, great video as always 😊

[@joerurigi601]

Wow, I remember those days you had to wait for a youtube video to load at 1080p.

[@tonydarcy7475]

I remember HP laptops from the early 2010's had really poor cooling & Dell laptops from the early 2010's were pretty hard to repair/upgrade, so I've generally had a negative perception of both brands. I assume a lot has changed since then though. I tend to prefer Lenovo & Acer laptops.

[@seansingh4421]

I’ll never buy an Acer laptop ever again. Its built to break within weeks

[@Baulder13]

Saw so many hinges break off from the late 2000's the the mid 2010's it was insane.

[@alpzepta]

All consumer laptop is like that. Now thin and light business laptop is follow the same. Only well built laptop nowadays is a Mobile Workstation

[@zsamps]

This is so true. I remember when I bought one many years ago (it was a small touchscreen Chromebook). I thought it was great for the first day or so. The screen went out within less than 3 days.

[@Melchirobin]

I am watching this on an Acer and in my opinion it is fine. If you want the best performance for a given price you can't beat it and overall I love it besides the terrible battery life because it has been like 5 years since I got it.

[@bharath2508]

I have 3 acer laptops at home. Reliable but the battery and hinge needs to be replaced every 3-4 years. 3000 rupees for the battery and 2000 for the hinge in malleshwaram,bangalore. Acer products are value for money. Great content Hari. Is there any way to bypass battery through software?

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Fair enough

[@nelswolf]

Honestly not sure how dell and hp are still around. My company gave me a Dell laptop and ive had to go to IT once a week Edit: for reference I have a Dell precision. Not sure if they're bad or good

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Oof

[@DacLMK]

Is it a Latitude or a Vostro/Inspiron? The Vostro/Inspiron series aren't very good and reliable. I see them all the time in our repair center. The Latitude series fair better, but they aren't perfect either.

[@onlyms4693]

​@@DacLMKdell laptop us weird, if u a productivity person a workstation dell laptop is good but other thing for them feels worst like 10x idk why.. but when i buy their gaming laptop isnt the same feels as their workstation one

[@nelswolf]

@@DacLMK they're precision. I had assumed they reliable

[@warsmithalaric]

Don't know about the state of their consumer laptops, but HP's business machines are excellent.

[@TheOneCleanHippy]

You're talking exclusively about non-gaming PCs. For gaming PCs, the Asian brands are still going strong. There is plenty of brand loyalty for brands like MSI. I'm typing this on an MSI gaming laptop and it's by far the best PC I've ever owned.

[@darreldennis7115]

My macbook I bought 9 years ago still going strong. I still get about 4 hours of charger and I never even replaced the battery. This is why nearly 80% of college/grad students in the US use apple computers.

[@xXRealXx]

1:03 bruh how did you not notice the missing Lenovo logo image lol?

[@thetaomega7816]

ai generated video

[@Gabrielius-uu4uz]

​@@thetaomega7816this has way too much editing for an AI

[@HarvestStore]

Great video.

[@tanawatjukmongkol2178]

I hate my brand new HP Transcend top of the line Laptop. It's buggy as heck. Screen randomly goes black, glitching display, etc.

[@alleneng]

iv had my 4790k for 9 years now and its still great

[@TheRealCelerate]

I can't agree with this. I don't see HP or Dell standing out. The laptop keyboards of most major brands are still getting worse, the upgradability and repairability of nearly all brands of laptops is going down, with Framework being an exception. Many models of desktops are still shipping with proprietary power supplies that can't support much beyond basic upgrades. As I see it, people who aren't concerned with upgradability or repairability care more about price than brand, unless it's Apple. I'm not saying you're wrong; however, I am saying that I'm not seeing the same thing you are.

[@myworldworks]

why is the Silo app not in UK

[@Working800]

On 2021 I bought my laptop M2 memory, an extra terabyte for personal data such as movies, videos and what not and so far good, never understood the need to constantly change it, I have another computer that it's almost 8 years old, I thinking of using it as a server but I still can watch my videos, code and work, sure things are damaged for all that time but it's still pretty functional and with Linux is quite faster than having it with Windows

[@climacs]

do you mean sun microsystem? not oracle?

[@MadMax351]

My last computer motherboard lasted me 10 years this current motherboard is at 5 years and will not upgrade until it dies, but i do on occasion upgrade GPU even if the old one has not died as video editing needs more performance always. PS Always keep your pc as clean as possible from dust as it is the biggest pc component killer.

[@soonts]

My favorite lineup of laptops is HP ProBook. Watching this video on ProBook 445 G8 which I upgraded to 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD. Too bad they don’t yet offer have current-generation Zen 4 AMD chips like Ryzen 7 8840U or Ryzen 7 7840U. If they did, I would consider replacing it for the better integrated GPU. I tend to avoid laptops with discrete GPUs, due to weight and battery life.

[@louiscouture9139]

La fois où j’ai changé le clavier et le trackpad intégré parce que le revêtement du trackpad s’est décollé. J’avais jamais réparé quoi que ce soir et j’ai du tout désassemblé et reassemblé, et j’ai réussi. La fois où j’ai trouvé un fix pour le même modèle avec le trackpad qui est erratique, en soudant de quoi. Ça a brisé ma garantie, mais la compagnie ne règle pas le problème

[@tejasraman6913]

The prices really aren't that different these days...

[@okuue]

Pretty ironic considering how my HP has the worst thermals

[@avikdas163]

purchased a asus budget laptop for INR. 33000 in 2016... right now except the battery it's still running fine. also had to add a ssd later on... fun fact i again purchased a asus tuf gaming laptop last year just because of the previous experience of reliability... so i can surely say that asus laptops ar quiet good for long term

[@tupaicindjeke275]

I have an hp.z book. I'll replace it now.becausey.display settings is no longer working

[@MrXelaim]

At the minutemark the text and the graph confuse dell and HP

[@zk_6312]

I had a lenovo yoga c930. It was great, but it failed after 18 months. So I bought a dell and I have had it almost twice that long now.

[@ekska]

had 2 dells, 1 HP, 2 alienwares, 2 razers. They lasted 1-2 yrs at most before problems occurs that i cant fix (screen died, battery inflated, keyboard membrane fell off) my 1 2019 lenovo yoga still going strong. only problem is i cant upgrade RAM and loosening but still usable hinge. Screw american pc brands.

[@cassiuscartland]

The thing is that (Most) Lenovos etc. (asian) are way faster and of better build quality than pretty much every American brand today (with the exception of apple). HP and Dell aint what they used to be.

[@kumarcharanm7323]

I have a great experience with Lenovo I did try to switch to HP and Dell. But, my experience was not great. Except few of Dell's High-end laptops most of their models suck seriously they are also pricey for the same specs Lenovo offers at least in my country I am not sure of the US. Just for the info, even my company provided me a Lenovo laptop. It is a very old model and used one (as at the time of my joining any other laptop was not available) its trackpad sucks but the laptop performance is a charm I had no reason to replace the laptop after getting new laptops. No offense It is just my opinion and I had an extremely good experience with the brand.

[@kumarcharanm7323]

Just for your info recently I found a very old model of Motorola mobile ( maybe Android 4 or 5 ) I decided to give it to my grandpa. I had to boot the OS as it was faulty and resetting did not work as for some reason there was no backup for the device also I did not see it anywhere online. But finally, I found a Lenovo ( Lenovo owns Motorola ) in-house application ( sorry, I don't remember the name ) that literally took me just 5 min to boot and reinstall OS to that mobile now that it is working perfectly fine. This was a very sweet experience because It took time for me to boot RedMi and Vivo even Samsung phones previously. That was a great customer experience from my end even Lenovo Vantage helped me extremely in my laptop maintenance.

[@akin242002]

Dell Latitude line is very durable. That line is geared towards finance, accounting, insurance underwriting, and data analysts' roles.

[@douglasvitello7898]

I've been buying Dell computers since 1999 and I think they are just great. Nonetheless not one of them was built in the USA so what is the problem with the Asian brands if they are running Microsoft (USA) software, many use Intel processors and other chip sets (USA) and run numerous programs that are American sourced? I don't really understand the badmouthing? If American companies want to focus on the high profit top shelf computers and the far east prefers to focus on mid-range I think it is a win win situation for the consumer.

[@thesecondtonone3010]

Well, quite agreed in terms of pricing. But you kinda pick and choose the models to include in the videos like featuring iMac and Dell XPS, but not the lower tier Dell like Inspiron and whatnot. Of course, Acer cheaper models have had the notoriety for their QC, but so have the other brands. The Asian 'premium' line up has been in the market for a while, and they have been well received. Check the Lenovo Yoga/Slim Pro 7 or 9i or the Asus Zenbook Pro. These are well built and sturdy. Ironically, the premium Dell XPS line up has actually been criticized for being overpriced. (You still get FHD+ screen with an Intel Arc and 512GB storage for $1,699. Let's say you want a 3K screen with 1TB storage and an RTX 4050, that's $2,499).

[@ekananda9591]

I've been using HP laptop for 8 years. I don't use it very often though

[@AndersHass]

Bit weird to call Sun Microsystem for Oracle when they haven’t been bought by Oracle by that time, lol

[@Duraltia]

Not surprised ppl don't upgrade anymore... My previous PC upgrade was back in 2017 when the GTX 1080 Ti FE reigned supreme until I finally caved in for the Raytracing Experience and upgraded to an RTX 4090 FE ( paired with an i9-13900KF & 64GB of RAM for non-Gaming related activities ). That combo delivers between 90-120FPS in *_HEAVY_* RTX Titles like CP2077 which I expect to be an outlier when it comes to being a performance drain ( obviously not taking games with terrible performance into consideration - No amount of hardware can save these ) so I'm expecting this system too now lasting for like the next 5+ years since I'm not expecting to ever be buying into the useless 8k resolution fad.

[@soonts]

You don’t need a 4090 for Cyberpunk 2077. It runs pretty good in 4k resolution with path tracing on 4070 Ti Super (which costs half the price of 4090), albeit my monitor is 60 Hz.

[@Batosai11489]

Also, pretty much all industries that don't need to look "hip" as part of their allure or need image/video editing use either HP or Dell. I literally cannot come up with a single company in the oil and gas industry whose employees don't use one of those brands,

[@nihilriv3r]

Not a fan of the unannounced ad at the end of the video. I pay for premium for a reason.

[@electric7487]

_Laughs in uBlock Origin_

[@g.o2092]

Yeah I'm never touching a Dell again, not even with a 10-foot pole. I've heard too many tales of woe about their abysmal Quality Control issues. I initially thought it was just first-world problems until I had my own experience, I've personally seen 2 Dell laptops randomly die for no reason (My mums and my cousin smh, we lived in the same house at the time, so this isn't hearsay. I saw it happen) I'll stick to HP forever honestly. I once bought a low-end HP and it still served me for 5-years (It was launched in 2014, and I purchased it in 2019) Sure it slowed down a lot over time, but it never tripped-off on me. It's still alive to this day. I turn it on every once in a while to retrieve 1 or 2 files. Could never be Dell

[@akin242002]

Interesting. Dell Latitude line (business users focused) is considered rock solid durable. Dell XPS 15 (prosumer line) and Dell Inspiron (budget prosumer) seems to have quality control nightmares issues right now.

[@samhuni8271]

Maybe consumer sentiment changed, but it's does not matter which time you look at, if you replace your device less often, you have more budget to buy a more powerful machine, that will last you longer, because it will keep up with developments longer. The only reason most people ever have to replace their computer every 2 years is cause they're buying cheap 💩

[@gopikrishnanpv1489]

I bought acer laptop because of budget restrictions but iam actually surprised that it's nearly 3 years and its still going smooth with no complaints. I also have an acer pc with Pentium processor and windows 8 (its been 9 years).its surprising because even though it lags, this is still usable

[@Art-is-craft]

That was not my experience. Mine broke down.

[@achuuuooooosuu]

Had a terrible experience with Acer. All our Acer PC's broke down.

[@gopikrishnanpv1489]

@@achuuuooooosuu @Art-is-craft after hearing both of yours experience, I think I am really lucky .

[@Lottoboi100]

We bought a new Acer laptop 6 months ago it's Great I don't know why Acer gets so much hate

[@Memecube]

HP, reliable? Most people make fun of their poor quality hinges that break more often than not. I haven't encountered them myself, but what I have encountered was some nasty problems with an HP desktop I had, and ended up replacing the whole thing later on.

[@rianp1300]

My cheap asus lasted 7 years and still running although not being used anymore, while my new HP Elitebook died in 3 months I had to have it's motherboard replaced lol it's been running again for 2 years no problem but my coworker with the same laptop had hers died the same way I do last month

[@thedelanyo]

Someone once said, if you own hp, you don't need an electric iron 😅😅

[@berndkemmereit8252]

GPU's are a prime example. In the old days you needed each year a new one, and they cost around 300. Now you need a new one every 3-5 years, depending if you got a high end model or not. The top GPU's these days cost 900-1100 (4090 is extra and not in my calculation). Another point is that the PC components have almost reached the physical limit, take CPU's. Intel can only increase performance marginally by pumping more power into the CPU, which in return strains the rest of the components, the result is that the CPU can only run a short while on max. AMD invented the V-cache, but even that can not be pushed much further. There are new inventions on the horizon (graphite), but they will take years for perfection and mass productions.

[@dutchy1121]

Almost everyone I know doesn't buy any brand of computer except Apple, but most people buy no name brands from their local PC shop or build their own. Notebooks of course are a different option and now they are more popular than desktops, but many I know will keep using a desktop until they can no longer build or buy one.

[@isa_L]

Same, many people in College are buying Apple MacBook, ASUS Rog/TuF, Razer blade and Lenovo thinkbook or Yoga these days.

[@user-zh5lj1ec4k]

Are your friends all tech heads or dweeb pc gamers? lol. No way this is a trend amongst the average consumer.

[@isa_L]

@@user-zh5lj1ec4k HP and Dell are Expensive, their entry level Laptop cost 20 - 50% More and breaks in just 3 months of normal use. People would rather buy a MacBook because Windows Laptops doesn't look good in it's current state, Too many Cost saving and Cheap Build Quality even for a High End Gaming Laptop, their Hinges and Keyboard are the main problem. Even a Cheap acer Nitro and Predator has better Price/Performance and reliability than alienware and Omen combined.

[@isa_L]

@@user-zh5lj1ec4k HP and Dell is known as Expensive junk for a reason. Low spec, Low Quality Build and cost 30-50% more, which is why Lenovo is Rocking on Top when it comes to Market share because even if the Build Quality is Low, at least they Offer Higher Spec and Cheaper.

[@user-zh5lj1ec4k]

@@isa_L that’s doesn’t answer my question. People don’t normally build PCs unless they are gamer dweebs or tech enthusiasts or work in the industry of graphic design or tech. Stop living in a bubble bro. It’s like saying every person you know gets the top of the line snap dragon phone but they’re all mobile gamer prics…

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

Thing is American brands manufacturer their products in Asia to stay competitive and relevant in cheaper and bigger markets.

[@dyris2594]

I'd personally never buy an HP laptop since they're prone to break their hinge and DELL desktops are usually so closed off that upgrading anything is basically impossible.

[@nick90000]

All the Dell & HP, I've owned, have crashed in the first two years, sticking to Acer & Lenovo for now

[@interstat2222]

What about Japanese Sharp?

[@NootNoot947]

10:47 WINDOWS PHONE SPOTTED WTF IS A SUPPORTED OS 📱📱📱📱📱

[@iiisaac1312]

i think dell and hp make lots of money on after sales service, especially to enterprise customers. when was the last time you've seen an office loaded full of acer and asus workstations? only foreign brand that comes close is lenovo. methinks when someone buys a computer at walmart, they are likely to pick a brand they recognize, and they recognize whatever they have at the office which is most likely dell or hp.

[@tejeswar]

I have used Asus and HP with same specification, I have felt HP laptops are more premium feeling, stable and cooler.

[@JONMPG]

My last several computers have all been dells. I still have my old desktop as a back up but so far the XPS is the best Dell laptop I have owned. I owned one HP and was not happy with it. I also have an iMac sitting in the closet that never gets used ever. It was a bad buy I thought I like iPhone I'll like iMac nope not the case.

[@debojitmandal8670]

ur chart is in correct from what ur saying hp market share incresed from 14 to 16.2% dells fell atleast as per u chart

[@templar1694]

Aftersales in every country is different. It always comes down to aftersales service. In our country, HP and Dell aftersales service is very poor. While in Acer and Asus is average. And lenovo just works fine.

[@ContantContact]

Replacing my laptop? Let;s see how that goes with my new FrameWork 16.....with 100% replaceable and upgrade-able parts.

[@BONTIOE]

Make pc than upgrade by replacing parts than use those old parts to slowly build another pc or sell it