The Leola Debate: Was Aaravos ACTUALLY Telling The Truth?

[@zorospirit3794]

I think it would be way more interesting if he was telling the half truth and manipulating Claudia

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Although I do think Leola existed & was his daughter Aaravos told Claudia & Terry an verbal story. It's possible that Leola was not an innocent 8 year oldish child but the equivalent of a human adult in age & wisdom.

[@t-rexcellentreviews1663]

Oh, he was definitely manipulating Claudia, he confidently left out the part where he was the reason Sol Regan burned down Katolis and why Viren had to sacrifice himself to save its people.

[@raelv504]

I agree. We’re probably not getting the full story and/or hearing it from his twisted perspective of how he sees it. A victim who did nothing wrong.

[@theaboveaveragefangirl]

What room is there for a half-truth though? We only have one season left, and everything he is saying makes sense as it is. What could he be leaving out that wouldn't damage the story or remove his depth?

[@claudiaamengualmateo6989]

​@@theaboveaveragefangirl maybe that he was the one who taught the humans dark magic and he either framed his daughter or he let them think it was his daughter... Could be a twist

[@noahballard6864]

I think it was half truths like what Terry stated he is using this as justification, but the bitterness has taken over to the point that he might just let everything die. As for following with his deal through for permanent resurrection if the devil didn’t deliver his promises who would deal with him in spite of the cost

[@theaboveaveragefangirl]

I agree. Aaravos' backstory gave him some much-needed depth and added layers to the story. Aaravos lying about this would be stupid and a waste of time. Speculating on character lying only works if there is some holes, but everything that Aaravos is telling us lines up with what we see not just in the show, but in the short stories. The star that fell from the sky after humans had just begin to learn magic that created a sea (Ripples) and Aaravos' hatred for his kind for their arrogance (Patience). Also Aaravos does not lie, the creators confirmed this.

[@Im_aMEIzing]

If this backstory ends up being all a lie I'm gonna be so mad I was SOBBING while watching the flashback for nothing??? 😭😭😭😭

[@boonary_blogs]

I don’t think it is because it wouldn’t rly make sense, but I feel like he might be twisting the Truth a bit

[@Im_aMEIzing]

@boonary_blogs Idk how I would feel if he was twisting the truth, especially if he was lying about Leola dying, but sympathetic villains are one of my favorite tropes so I'd be happy if all of it was true :)

[@boonary_blogs]

@@Im_aMEIzing yeah Im saying I don't think he's lying about leola dying but I'd have to rewatch it

[@Artist_Unbound]

Honestly, I do think Aaravos was telling the truth. Erik said Aaravos will go on an emotional journey all throughout season 7. As well as a lot of context clues that hint he was true. 1. He has a connection to mages because Leola gave humans magic. 2. Season 5, Rayla and Callum said they heard of a star called "Leola's Last Wish". 3. There is a silhouette of a child elf in the MOA intro, and Aaron confirmed that is Leola. If anything, fans speculate that the only lie he's ever told is where Leola was going when she died.

[@Shoyru-UK]

This reminds me of when Obi One's ghost was talking to Luke in star wars about why he did not tell Luke Vader was he father. Obi one "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view. You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

[@LauraM96829]

I think Aaravos’ story with Leola is true. The creators have confirmed that Aaravos never lies. The show even reminds of this in the beginning of season six. When Viren wakes up on the beach, he he tells Claudia that Aaravos was lying when he said he would die if he didn’t sacrifice Sparklepuff. And Claudia simply replies, “Aaravos didn’t lie”, right before we see Claudia performed the ritual to save Viren.

[@toastysweaters5692]

Then the only plausible theory is that Aaravos wasn’t telling the WHOLE truth, which is technically not lying.

[@DragonGoddess18]

​​@@toastysweaters5692 Yeah. Either that or he "embellished facts" or Occam's Razor, Aaravos misremembered some events

[@trippeverett5133]

Aaravos omits truths. He didn't tell Claudia he killed her father.

[@suenicole8979]

I believe Aaravos is and isn't telling the truth at the same time. Aaravos is telling the truth but he probably isn't telling the WHOLE truth. So while he isn't lying by commission, he may definitely be lying by omission. It's more like he's telling trickle truths where he tells some of the truth to help his argument in the situation while withholding certain facts that he feels may not help his argument now but will eventually reveal those facts when it seems like there's no real relevance to those facts but they seem to him now as casual tidbits of information that won't really affect him but it may be amusing for him to see the other person's reaction. So yes, Aaravos is telling the truth about Leola but there's most likely more to the story that he conveniently left out but will reveal later.

[@islathefoxchild2120]

The thing that I’m still confused about is why this super powerful overseeing council hasn’t done the same thing to Aaravos that they did to Leola. They’re willing to smite a child off the face of existence who acted with seemingly innocent intentions, but just allow a powerful elf to go about manipulating world events for the worse and even actively giving humans dark magic (the same crime Leola committed to begin with?) no problem. That is the only part of his story that just doesn’t check out to me, but maybe I missed something while watching.

[@thetruekingofwaffles]

They seem to not know based on the episode 1 leak

[@theaboveaveragefangirl]

They possibly don't know. Remember, it was the mages and dragons on earth who trapped him and the only proof they had that Leola gave humans magic was Sol Regem.

[@ryankwon8785]

I have to disagree. Villains who are evil for the sake of evil only work if they are really terrifying and actually hurt the protagonists a lot. This worked for characters like Morgoth from the Silmarillion and the Joker (Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger).

[@Pinkdragon333]

Bill cipher as well

[@owenjolley351]

*I really hope the show does get greenlit for 3 more seasons just so that it officially has more seasons than Big Mouth (Season 8 is the last one by the way).*

[@idiotgaming6376]

So far have we seen arravos lie? He manipulates and backstabs but for the people working with him and going along with his plans he's not really been lieing to them like he saw a morally dubious man who wanted his kingdom safe didn't make up anything or tell falsehoods he just edged him down the wrong path

[@MissJJoan]

At the very least, we know Sol Regam did betray him in some way. The rest, who knows? That’s the thing about casting spells where no one can read up on him. Probably one of the dragons will confirm how much of it is true, if at all.

[@leonarddugas6055]

I'm guessing he'll try to bring her back with dark magic causing her to comeback evil and she'll be the villian in season 8 9 and 10

[@kalzium8857]

I think mostly yes. If it was a lie, then Aaravos sould have told Claudia the backstory much sooner. We have only one season left.

[@theaboveaveragefangirl]

You might think I'm going too far, but I honestly think that Aaravos turning out to be lying about this would be on the level of Chloe's failed redemption from Miraculous in terms of how stupid it was.

[@leewong7421]

His story is probably PARTIALLY true. The overall gist may be true but he probably twisted some things for the purpose of making himself look like an innocent victim. He seems emotionally detached from his daughter in the present day, as he showed no emotion when in the Sea of the Castout, even appearing calm enough to make light of Viren’s predicament. He also never mentioned Leola when killing Sol Regem, besides it being later inferred as why he killed him so maliciously. Besides, he WAS playing Viren and Claudia like a fiddle. He literally directed Claudia to perform the ritual to resurrect Viren just to kill him himself in Katolis later on (he even smiled as it happened). Thus he fulfilled his “promise” to Claudia of bringing back her dad, but he never said anything about what happened after that. As far as she knows, he “tried his best to help Viren”, but he ended up getting killed anyway by the “arrogant dragons”. What I think happened is, yes his story was true in the sense of it’s what drove him to become evil in the first place. HOWEVER, I don’t think it is what is driving him CURRENTLY. His daughter is long dead for 1000s of years, and many of the people he’s indiscriminately killing (enjoying himself while doing it, mind you) have nothing to do with her death. I think it’s likely he’s moved on from that as his motivation, and now just enjoys causing chaos and death, using Leola as an excuse for doing so to those who he wants to manipulate. As with Viren, he said “everything he did was because he HAD to”, but the truth was pointed out to be that he just continued doing what gave him power. Viren BEGAN his path of evil because of his son’s illness, but as we could clearly see in the present time, it was not what was continuing to motivate him. So I think that Aaravos began what he was doing because of his daughters death, but CONTINUED doing it because he realized that it’s what he WANTED to do; what he enjoyed. While his story may have been empathetic, any empathy or “love” he once had is long gone. “He’s not doing anything for love”

[@leonarddugas6055]

I'm guessing the twist of Leola she died and she come back as a human and that human ends up being the human princess with the lesbian parents who died in season 2

[@yashenumulla4068]

For sure he was not lying about Leola. He never lies too so he probably did change anything of what he said. But he probably hid few stuff from Claudia and Terry during the revelation.

[@Auroramyth]

Leola could’ve taught humans primal magic and so making humans equal to elves. Also Leola’s death was not justifiable; if what she did was really that bad then they could’ve taught Leola not to do what she did. Instead they for some reason had to kill her.

[@Rob_93]

I think Aaravos could’ve killed a council member because of spite, and in exchange the council takes his daughter away

[@thetruekingofwaffles]

I think Aaravos wouldn't attack unprovoked tbh, I could see him arguing or something because he'd rather be learning stuff about Xsdian culture Tham doing space BS

[@paulchapman8023]

It wasn't Aaravos who told Rayla about Leola's Last Wish. There must be another reason why Rayla calls it that. And whatever that reason is, it would probably do more to corroborate Aaravos' story than to refute it.

[@TheDragonPrince_Editss]

It's a true story. Aaron and Justin said it in an interview at NYCC.

[@duellingmasterheropokeland1468]

I think Aaravos’s End goal is truly wipe out the star touched,elf council once and for all especially the merciful one

[@matandana110]

What about Leola’s last wish? Are we gonna ignore that? Cause I feel like it’s gonna come into play in the last season

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Her last whish was probably to not die.

[@jacquelinewright868]

I think her last wish was probably to give humans/show that humans can be trusted with magic because that will explain Callum and Ez

[@Lionwoman]

I told my friend while discussing this season that it could be a lie or not the full truth so let's just wait.

[@orze0787]

I'm not a liar, I never lie - Aaravos

[@kasiavalies8241]

Im just gonna believe what the show told us until were either proven right or wrong.

[@kaekaesam6240]

Seriously Star Elves unlived a child (in a kind of brutal way to) for breaking a rule!, and not like doing something bad or maniacal or evil or somethin is really sad!, like and People think Cozy Glow had it rough XD and she was actually a manipulative and evil/rotten child villain.

[@arielathomo229]

Aavaros does not lie!! Rewatch the show he never lied about anything he said, he just doesn't say the whole truth.

[@Chuckashimen5829]

He could be lying by omittion, by yeah he never makes stuff up.

[@olleselin]

So this will be the final season of The Dragon Prince?

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

yes but They have said it has interest in Spinoff about other parts of the world

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

Is it possible Aaravos is lying - yes but I don't that very interesting decision to have Aaravos turn from a complex villain with understandable motivation and backstory to zike he was just lying and pure evil this hole time - I would be like if it turned out that Zuku's hole backstory turn out to be a lie and he was only out for glory - also it would be interesting to see Aaravos become like a father figure to Claudia

[@chickenTDP]

He is telling the truth, but it is possible that it’s not the full truth. Perhaps he is only saying what he needs to to get Claudia to act. I guess we will find out in December… 😊

[@patrickzalatoris3206]

He only talked about what happened to leola, he didn't talk about what he did after that, he lost his daughter, but aaravos did alot of messed up things after that to get revenge

[@vlpinfinity9448]

How do you know Leola gave humans primal stones?

[@patrickzalatoris3206]

It's not confirmed, but she may have given instructions to humans to make primal stones, after all, why make primal stones if elves and dragons are all connected to a primal source, only humans would really benefit

[@theaboveaveragefangirl]

The wiki says so bc they were given by a unicorn named Leola so that must've been her.

[@jdvred9210]

Leola did nothing wrong

[@FreyaTheFox]

Imo, Aaravos isn't lying, but he ain't telling the whole truth either. Some other comments have mentioned it too, but I think the whole "Leola's Last Wish" star will come into play and reveal a part of Aaravos's backstory with Leola he neglected to mention to Claudia (and the audience). I have no clue what it could be, but I still think it'll come up!

[@supremeoverlorde2109]

I agree with you. If the story about Leola is a lie, then it's nothing more than a waste of time. Giving Aaravos a tragic backstory to make him complex falls perfectly in line with the themes of the series. The show is all about the cycles of hate and violence perpetuated by grief and a desire for vengeance. So it makes complete sense that Aaravos's quest of darkness and destruction was born of loss and the hatred of those who caused his child's death. It slots so well into place that for the creators to turn around and be like, "jk, he's just plain mustache-twirling evil for no reason" would be nuts. There are definitely GAPS in his story though, so I'm interested to see if those will be filled in season 7.

[@congratulations-]

i have watched like 2 episodes of this show and the animation and the voice acting was really off. Is is still like that?

[@kennedymcmaster419]

The frame rate gets completely fixed in s3 and I'd say the voice actors have improved!(Like, Claudia's VA seriously deserves an award for her performance in 6 season JC)

[@nickgarcia6572]

@@kennedymcmaster419 Starting season 2 actually they double the frame rate!

[@doomsdaySephiroth]

Aaravos could also be bending the truth with some of the details of his backstory.

[@hannahburke7328]

There's Definitely Some Holes In Aaravos' Backstory.

[@theaboveaveragefangirl]

like what?

[@couchpotato8824]

Can u make a recap of what’s happened since season 3? I couldn’t get through season 4 😂

[@maxxymrice6200]

Its been confirmed Aaravos never lies, so its most likely a half truth. Its possible its gonna be revealed he played a part in his daughter's death.

[@straycatinnabox]

Death to the cosmic order i dont give a SHIT if hes lying ..okay Aaravos is way too good at his job

[@boonary_blogs]

0:41 my life is ruined /hj

[@osmanthuswine5336]

I HATE how the fandom keeps treating Aaravos like a victim, bro suffered but that’s no excuse for shit😭😭

[@TimelessBSk]

They did deserve it, They trapped aaravos in her daughter's ribcage IS DISGUSTING And sol regem is the reason he did all of this and the Cosmic council had no mercy they did this to themselfs They made it a self fulfilling propechy, It was justified to do All of that but it was not justified to manipulate sol regem to kill Innocent people in Katolis, He would have probally did this because he thinks Humans,Dragons,Elf We're the reason Leola died And he wants to kill them first and he would probally kill The cosmic council in s7

[@patrickzalatoris3206]

He's a victim, but even victims have no reason for killing people for his own purpose