Miraculous World London Has Single-Handedly Changed Marinette's Character Arc

[@Nadia-wd6nm]

Lila exposing Ladybug's lie about Gabriel would be such a good parallel to her first appearance when Ladybug exposed her lie about being friends

[@Shimospeher]

Oh yea, especially to Adrien, it will be even more reverse

[@proclarushtaonasat]

Yeah, people complained in the finale, that it didnt do anything with Monarch being adriens dad, and didnt resolve plotpoints and whatnot. They are getting to that, we Just have to let them cook.

[@Shimospeher]

@@proclarushtaonasat theoretical it can be said that they want to made a big mess around that, the fact that Marinette lied to Adi and this can lead to interesting scenarios. But after 5 seasons of plot holes and basically return to square one in S5, I don't belive in this. They ruin this, like many things in plot.

[@aquawoelfly]

I want to see the awkward conversation between ladybug and cat noise about the real villan being Gabrielle. L: i... need to tell you something.... about hawk moth and what happened that day C: you can tell me anything milady L: you can't let Adrienne arrested know C:: know what? L: you just cant..... C: .... why? L: i don't want to hurt him C: his dad was a hero. How will it hurt him? L: just promise you won't tell him. C: i wont.... but maybe you should. L: i ..... I dont.... C: < let's it happen. Tries to play through what ladybug may want to say that she wouldn't want to tell Adrienne> .... do you still want to tell me. L: ..... he was hawk moth C: ...... he? Who..... you need to tell Adrienne L: icant C: why would you keep this from him? From the world? Why did you lie? L:

[@proclarushtaonasat]

@@Shimospeher but dont forget that astruc was in charge for most of it. ever since his influence decreased, the story became more cohesive. and how was season 5 a "return to square one" exactly? after 4 seasons of maintaining status quo with filler-esque villain of the week-stories, they finally changed the formula in season 5, by putting monarch on borrowed time within 24 hours of him getting the miraculous, ending the love quadrangle between marinette and adrien by finally making them a couple, decreasing the stupidity of the in-universe characters, so characters like the mayor cant just do whatever without consequences anymore (which was really unrealistic in the first 4 seasons), and many other things, that shook up the status quo, so its not a return to square one in the slightest, aside from reducing the number of heroes back to two. Which was NOT a bad move, as many of the miraculous had powers, that could just one-shot the villains if used correctly, and which the good guys should have used much earlier. Gabe may be the posterchild for smoothbrainedness, but he got more mileage out of the miraculous than the good guys ever did. Rooster+Bee for example.

[@Unbrickable27]

If this ends up being the right choice with zero consequences I'm walking out on the spot.

[@muichiro10]

there's no way it will

[@Shimospeher]

@@muichiro10 idk, the producers many times made a plot holes, I belive they will ruin this too, cuz what to expect from people who miss nearly ten year old family drama

[@rubbleszx]

*Season 3 Chloe flashbacks*

[@SpaceQib]

If this happen I will riot

[@everythinggirly916]

After watching the special, I think the truth will ultimately get out and people will be angry, but Adrien will still believe that Marinette did the right thing. I don't want that but I think it's highly possible.

[@bluedonut9874]

A 14 year old being this mature is CRAZY. The pressure, stress lowkey feel bad but at the end of the day she's just a pixel

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

I started being mature When I was 10

[@rqpunzel.ৎ]

@@lasseehrenreich5502yeah but I’m guessing not at Marinettes level. I mean, saving the world everyday and balancing school, homework, friendships, etc

[@Lizzie_DaughterOfApollo]

Its not a competition​@@lasseehrenreich5502

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

@@rqpunzel.ৎ I don't wanna tell you anything lol

[@muichiro10]

​@@lasseehrenreich5502 nice, bro. but most 10 year olds aren't

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

I love when stories do plot points with moral ambiguity like this. It's easy to say that we would tell Adrien the truth as observers looking in, but I think anyone would struggle in her position. Telling someone their abusive father was a hero is awful, but finding out that they're actually the supervillain that's been terrorizing innocent people for months, while also cranking up their abuse as a result, and the closest thing they had to a replacement mom being a willing accomplice who only stopped because their life wasn't saved would make anyone have a nervous breakdown, especially for someone so young and barely made peace with his mom's death. There's also the fact that he accidentally played a hand in his deteriorating health near the end of his life. I'm totally expecting an eventual Chat Blanc 2.0.

[@mayotango1317]

Realistically speaking, Adrien would more readily accept that his abusive, cold-hearted father was a magical terrorist than Marinette's obvious lie.

[@ashebennett7726]

@@mayotango1317 that’s what I’ve been saying. I think him know the truth would help him cope with his fathers death than the blatant lie. Adrien KNOWS his father isn’t a good person. If he knew his father was the villain and the magical terrorist, that means he is now safe from his abuser and so is the world. For now anyway.

[@cjgamer6356]

@@ashebennett7726 Yeah but on the other hand he was the cause that his dad died

[@InternetNonsense]

@@mayotango1317 We know that as the audience. But Marinette doesn't.

[@mayotango1317]

@@InternetNonsense I'm not surprised since Marinette thought Grabiel would be a sympathetic and kind person in the season 5 finale, which is why I laughed like crazy when Gabe stabbed her in the back with the Venom.

[@mayotango1317]

If there's one thing I've learned from this show it's that (except for the first season finale) every season finale what promises to change the status quo... then they chicken out and everything goes back to status quo. Marinette kissing Adrien in Hero's Day? All is forgotten. Everyone's identity revealed, and Adrien and Marinette starting relationships with other people? It doesn't last long and Kagami and Luka are demoted to less than secondary, even Chloe's betrayal is mentioned as casual and barely mentioned again. All the tension between Chat Noir and Rena Rogue? Or Felix betraying everyone by stealing the Miraculous? Meh.

[@Doomzdeh]

True. The Miraculous Writers have shown time and time again that they have absolutely no idea how to write long-term plot-lines-hence why they always stick to the old and tired villain-of-the-day format. There’s never any time for the major plots to develop because we’re always spending half an episodes on the Akuma being set-up and then on the Akuma Attack. And with how little of a character that Adrien has had since Season 5 began, I doubt he’ll be mad for more than a few seconds if he ever learns the truth. I predict that Marinette will just start crying and acting like the victim, and Adrien will put aside his own feelings and comfort her. Because she matters more than he does to the Writers.

[@Oreca2005]

@@Doomzdehas they say “No balls”

[@staydetermined6717]

It’s definitely gunna bite her in the ass, and let’s be honest Natalie didn’t want to go to jail because for Adrien and for her. Knowing ladybugs true identity, Nathalie is the only adult that isn’t involved with the temple knows

[@greenliongirl07]

With Natalie knowing, it does change things. Marionette has an adult to talk to and help if she needs it. Natalie might be able to cover for her if she needs to fight a villain or Natalie might have to wield a miraculous again.

[@evancrow2191]

Kagami's mother

[@JesseGolo]

This is the kind of narrative setup it would take skill to fumble. Unfortunately, the writers have a lot of practice.

[@miss_chelles1338]

Lmao, fr. 😭

[@dayvonlouis5187]

Never underestimate Thomas’s ability to f**k things up

[@book-hoarder5664]

I’d say more specifically Thomas Austuc

[@HyperHeroesYT]

I just remembered Ladybug directly lied to all of Paris in the press conference. Imagine the chaos that happens when they find out she lied. Edit: Even WORSE, probably the entire WORLD. They were affected, and she lied to THEM to. It's Ladybug vs The World at this point.

[@staydetermined6717]

Imagine if they find out her identity or at most her age, I mean isn’t there a special called The end of ladybug?

[@jemjstudios]

@@staydetermined6717 to my knowledge, "The End of Ladybug" was an early development name for the London special - would be cool to see it revisited in some form though o.o

[@staydetermined6717]

@ Ah I see thanks :3

[@mayotango1317]

I got more laughs when people believed what Ladybug said with a dejected face and monotone voice.

[@Doomzdeh]

Nah, imagine the chaos that happens when they realize that they built a giant memorial to Monarch, a Terrorist who wreaked havoc on people’s emotions and well-being, in the middle of their city.

[@WencyPeng]

I just can’t wait to see how Lila will use her information she got from the book against ladybug. The whole plot for season 6 has a good start with everything from the London special. I just can’t WAIT!

[@Starberry7]

3:40 I have to say though that it’s not entirely wrong to blame Su-Han for that failure too. He is the grand guardian but he chose to leave the box with Marinette YET as the ADULT he chose to NOT teach this CHILD how to be a proper guardian. He didn’t teach her anything even though he is the adult and technically the grand guardian so it’s his job to make sure the guardians ranked below him do a good job. But he didn’t nothing to ensure that. He left Marinette to figure everything out on her own. She is a child yet he left that responsibility in her hands and expecting everything would go right. And Marinette has 2 conflicting roles. The guardian role and the role as Ladybug. Yes technically she needs to know who Cat Noir is because she is the guardian but because she is Ladybug she cannot know because it leads to problematic consequences which lead to the villain compromising her for example which leads to the compromising of Cat Noir too and that’s an issue because then the villain gets their hands on both jewels. In order for her to learn Cat Noir’s identity she would have to give up her role as Ladybug or she has to retrieve the Butterfly Miraculous first. I don’t feel like those 2 episodes were good examples to show us why Marinette is treated as right even when she fails. Because it is acknowledge that she failed but she’s not the only one who is at fault for those particular failures.

[@mayotango1317]

Still better that Master Fu.

[@jorgevalencia5673]

I mean, both Furious Fu and Ephemeral have Marinette tell Su Han essentially that she doesn’t need him and she can handle things on her own, and on the surface she seemingly does, so he does back off. He only came stepped in in Ephemeral because he thought she was being too reckless, but she told him off for meddling. Su Han is objectively right in every one of his appearances, but the narrative doesn’t want you to agree with him because that means Marinette is wrong and he we can’t have that.

[@Doomzdeh]

@@jorgevalencia5673 Su-Han should have insisted. What a weak man to be bossed around by a 14-year old with no experience in being the Guardian. Su-Han should have demanded a Miraculous and he should have used it to track Gabe down. As an adult, he could use the power as often as he wanted. I wager that the Rooster or the Goat would be most useful to him, but we can’t have that because every sucky side character in this show needs a Miraculous. I thought that he had realized that in the Season 4 Finale. He seemed to blame himself for what happened. He had been treating Marinette like his equal when she wasn’t at all. I still wonder if he knew the circumstances that led up to her becoming Guardian-her leading Hawkmoth to Fu, her entrusting Chloe with a Miraculous multiple times, etc. Instead, Su-Han doubled down and left Paris entirely in Season 5. What a joke of a Guardian. Fu kept relatively tight leashes on Ladybug and Chat Noir and this worked for 3 seasons, and Su-Han can’t even keep things together for 1 season. And this guy had the nerve to criticize Fu?

[@jorgevalencia5673]

@ I agree that he should have demanded to at least be more involved, but that would require the show not put everything on Marinette and we can’t have that because everything needs to be put on her, she is the only character of importance. Marinette is the main character, therefore she is the one who is always ultimately responsible and right in the end, even if she makes mistakes, the narrative will alleviate her all wrong doings and anyone who offers her any opposition is demonized, like Su Han, he is right that a child shouldn’t have the miracle box, that children shouldn’t have miraculouses, that she as the guardian should know who Chat Noir is, and that he trusted her to keep the box safe and she failed. But everytime she always claps back with, I know better than you because we have been fine up until this point, leave us alone old man! It frustrating.

[@mayotango1317]

@@Doomzdeh "Entrusting" Chloe? What are you talking about? Marinette was neglectful and distant with Chloe throughout Season 3, not so different from what she later did with Chat Noir in Season 4. Even in "Miraculer" she proved that Chloe was worthy of being Queen Bee, but Marinette denied her.

[@celeste9949]

It's insane how far this show has progressed, it doesn't even feel like a kid show anymore lol. I got into the show late around 2017-2018ish I was like 10 or 11, now I'm older than Marinette 💀

[@ZeldaWayne_Letsplays]

I'm in a similar boat in that I was a teen when it started and now, I'm in my early twenties

[@NicholasAfari-Mintah]

I was about a year younger i was like 9-10 lol im also older now 😅

[@kamarismith9422]

I'm really hoping Marinette's lie ends up exposed at some point in season 6. It could be interesting to see how the city of Paris reacts to finding out what their beloved hero hid from them.

[@mayotango1317]

One problem I have with this is that it barely connects to the pool party scene in the season 5 finale where she seems totally different, happier and not at all sorry for lying to Adrien since she finally has her trophy boy than the emotional mess she was in the London special. Heck, we don't even see Marinette comforting Adrien, but Kagami, while we see Ladybug (again) making excuses to Chat Noir to hide secrets; which by this point already did irreparable damage to each other.

[@proclarushtaonasat]

That was Just a flash Forward to an arbitrary Point in time, to end the finale with. They could have Spoiler the Special instead, but who would want that? Its kinda Like adventure time, when the lich tried to Wish for the extinction of all life, and it jumped straight to farmworld Finn chilling, without any explanation.

[@mayotango1317]

@proclarushtaonasat Or that was the original ending of the show...until they give them more seasons.

[@NotInterested666]

@@proclarushtaonasat Wait, hold on, if the ending in the finale is a flash forward, and Marinette gives Adrien his amok in that flash forward, does that mean throughout season 6 and beyond Marinette just keeps Adrien's amok!? WTF, that's awful! That gives their relationship such a power imbalance.

[@ashebennett7726]

@@NotInterested666 OMG!!! I didn’t think their relationship couldn’t be any more messed up.

[@ItsJae_37]

@@NotInterested666 well the pool scene was a few months after the s5 finale... so yea technically she had his rings for a few months i guess...It would be so messed up if she controlled him tho

[@suenicole8979]

I would say that Marinette's decision to lie has put her in a position where a proverbial sword is hanging over her head by a thread that Lila is now waiting for the right time to cut and have it drop on her. The decision also makes it seem like Gabriel still managed to get the last say of manipulating the narrative his way with the puppet being Marinette. So now things seem like a calm before one big storm that will eventually hit. Lila who is known for being a liar, now holds the truth and moment she strategically uses will critically reverse the roles of Marinette now being the and Lila being the honest one which may temporarily sway citizens to trust the new Hawkmoth in a way over trusting Ladybug. The fact that she lied as Ladybug would make very emotional Parisians and the world wonder if Ladybug was complicit in Hawkmoth's actions and will diminish the trust they had in her. Plus, this decision probably won't make things easier for Adrien as while people would have been mad if she told the truth in the first place, it probably would have had a higher chance of dying down sooner. However, now with each day that the lie carries on the emotional weight and effect the lie carries will grow, when Lila eventually reveals Marinette's lie, it will have a worse reception than telling the truth early on would have had. It won't just be the weight of the fact that Gabriel was Hawkmoth|Monarch, it'll be the weight of that plus the fact that Ladybug willingly lied to people about that fact for who knows how long depending on when Lila reveals it. This will make some people believe that both Ladybug and Adrien were complicit in this making the fallout much worse. Let's not even mention how Adrien's going to react to finding out that he's been grieving and trying to honour his enemy and abuser and worst off is that his partner just let him. Yes, the special did a wonderful job expressing the black, white and greys in the complexity of Marinette's decision, but no matter how you look at it, this decision is just doomed to blow up in Marinette's face in one of the worst ways possible regardless of how much plot armour they give her.

[@akitkat-1225]

So, you could she's a marionette puppet.

[@ladynoirose]

I agree with all ur points! The line "he's been grieving and trying to honour his enemy and abuser and worst off is that his partner just let him." just killed me fr

[@Elysiull]

Amazing points!

[@dspace4514]

Lila will definitely use Marinette lie as part of her plan. Imagine the negativity it would create when Paris found out their herovLIED to them.

[@ItsJae_37]

i feel like her revealing the lie will be a 2 part season finale, idk which season though

[@Random_Art_Crafts_Animations]

I think Ladybug is going to end up telling Chat about gabe, and ofc Chat IS Adrien- sooo thats gonna be fun...

[@QueenJenniferTheGreat]

That's exactly what in thinking 😂

[@paintingdreams290]

i feel like she'd eventually, Cat Noir is at least aware there is smthn more to what she said that isnt revealed yet and i believe thats where her lies will unravel

[@viviennewestwood777]

i don't think so since she kept it secret from everyone even alya

[@staydetermined6717]

Identity Reveal gunna be wild lmaoo

[@Ashagshs]

If ladybug does tell catnoir, yes adrien would be devastated, speechless even, but maybe understands where ladybug is coming from by trying to protect adrien

[@thevoidsinfiniterubbishbin3216]

I think most of us forget Marrinette is fourteen...she didn't ask for this and is human she's going to make mistakes. I'm just glad the writers and animators seem to be taking this show more seriously.

[@jaiyinemilikaa2302]

Yeah ofc she but she going about all the wrong way instead of trusting others to help. She think it all on her which makes her the dumbest hero when she got back up but don’t use because she afraid of losing then but that the point of being a hero can’t handle it pass to someone else. That the problem she got used to power she have even though it does cause her pain it most thing that makes her alive. This lie is like going to bit back no matter what choice she makes, she already make the worst decision by lie about Adrien’s father. No what you can’t say Mari is not blind by love for Adrien to see that it will actually hurt him for her to keep this a secret. It don’t have be a secret for the whole world to know but just the person you care should at know his father was a monster. No one is asking Mari to bring perfect but they are asking her to be human and do the right thing even if the person you love end up hating for it

[@Allthingsasian]

I think it’s important Marinette has these flaws. Marinette and Gabriel actually have a LOT of parallels. Gabriel was a start up fashion designer just like Mari, his family was in the food industry like Mari, they both fell in love with a blonde haired green eyed person who comes from an oppressive family and was way above their station. It’s implied that Gabriel used to be like Marinette, now he’s selfish, obsessed and power hungry with a lot of bad qualities which are qualities you do see an ounce of in Marinette from the beginning of the show- she’s obsessed, and almost forces her moral views and opinions which can be viewed as controlling. It’s important they both parallel each other as the respective protagonist and antagonist of the show. Marinette is what Gabriel still could have been like if he hadn’t let his bad qualities get ahold of him, just like Gabriel is what Marinette could be like if she has no-one to check her impulses and bad qualities.

[@ИванКорнилов-у7ю]

когда главная героиня (Маринетт) оказалась фольгой главного злодея (Габриэля) сериал окончательно превратился в постмодернистскую комедию🤣

[@eddog6666]

The story could finally lead to the long awaited akumatization of Marinette. However knowing that’s i high possibility now Lila would jump at the chance to control Marinette

[@split776]

With seasons 4 and 5 establishing Alya as a backup Ladybug, the stage is set

[@the13thgoogler]

This show is good at setting up stuff yet always delivers no payoff. Like remember Felix's gadget from Risk? Adrien picked it up and nothing came from that.

[@staydetermined6717]

I feel like when the world finds out the truth her identity is revealed I mean imagine finding ladybug is just a minor someone who’s not even 16

[@Floptropica.8]

I pretty sure people already know that

[@Doomzdeh]

The Miraculous Masking might obscure details about the Holder, but I’m pretty sure that people can still tell that Ladybug and Chat Noir are most likely minors (or, at the very least, below the age of 20).

[@dylanbouffard5437]

What you said about: "Cat Noir being made a fool and weak so that LadyBug can swoop in and do everything, making him look weak and less competent in comparison" made me think about what someone else said, and I think it might be true. This show tries it's hardest to have what media would call a "Strong Female Character". But it ends up failing in an interesting way. All they are doing is making the male character "Dumb" or "Weaker" in comparison to the Female character instead of making her strong on her own.

[@72Worker]

Actually I think Mari's biggest mistake was uniting Chloe with her mother. It was that that ended Chloe's redemption arc prematurely and drove Chloe into Lila's hands. Still I suppose it could be said Mari was setting up Lila's defeat. Lila treats everyone including the Kwami's as tool. I don't see Chloe treating Noorro like Lila does.

[@danuostret1900]

I feel like this episode didn't grant Marinette the victory by just using plot armour, but instead by using a very well-built plan that works

[@CjAllen-g7b]

It’s gonna be another Spider-Man mysterio problem

[@ilyamuromez6412]

It would be so funny if Lila is only hype in this special and then she is just Gabe 2.0 for the rest of the show.

[@internetdollgrl]

HWHAHAHAAHAH DONT PUT THAT IDEA INTO THE WORLD THEYLL SEE DIS 😭😭😭

[@ilyamuromez6412]

@dollbaebb like I can see her use the fact that Ladybug is lying as leverage against Chat/Adriane but that's really it. She has to lose for most of the season till she gets a small win in the season finals so like Gabe does.

[@Dred0n]

Could be but with timetagger and the rest of the villains Adult Bunnix mention I don't really think so.

[@ilyamuromez6412]

@@Dred0n maybe nother villain after lila or af gabe?

[@Dred0n]

@@ilyamuromez6412 could be anything is possible

[@siroreo717]

Getting a season 6 or 7 episode called Timetagger 0 would go so hard

[@LotusBeppi]

This special got rid of most the disdain I had for the finale - most of it is spent on Mari debating if her choice was correct which was absolutely needed. The scene where she tells Adrien that his father is gone and only tells "half the truth" is so heart-breaking for both characters. Mari feeling like she has to lie, and Adrien breaking down and trying to piece together how his father could be gone. One of the last lines they say is that they're going to fight together "like old times", I'm taking this as the writers (Astruc is hardly involved with S6 onwards from what i've read...FINALLY) stating that LB & CN will be fighting together again. Maybe CN won't be sidelined all the time now... I miss his sassy quips.

[@cjgamer6356]

Exactly

[@juliaraem]

I’m always torn hearing criticism about Marinettes character in like the first two seasons. You have to remember, this was a show meant for kids before they added lore to it. She didn’t need to be a well rounded flawed protagonist, because the show was entertaining 7 year olds. In the later seasons though, that does change.

[@MissKneesocks_]

shes 14. Im an adult and i can guarantee she makes better decisions than i do

[@AnInkStick]

Guys. I think there’s a few things that y’all should be taking a bit more into account. 1. At this point, they know that the butterfly miraculous is in the hands of someone worse. 2. Marinette knows that Adrian is a senti, and thus Akuma for him is far more dangerous. If it infects the wrong item, it could very well wind up killing him. 3. If the world knew right now, there’s a number of things that would make this extremely dangerous.. for one, it would make the whole city heck the world for the matter primary akuma fodder with that much anger and disgust. 4. And the thing that I think people should be taking the most into account! ADRIEN! Best case scenario, if people knew that his dad was the magical terrorist, threatening the whole DM world? He would be a social pariah. He would be under a microscope from the perspective of damn near every single person. Worst case scenario? His actual life could be in danger! People have done terrible things to the families of criminals even when they had nothing to do with what happened. I don’t think Marinette was in the wrong necessarily. Do I think it was the right call to make? Maybe, maybe not. But at the same time, she’s a kid trying to do her best in a very, very shitty situation, and never forget the fact that she basically got emotionally blackmailed by Gabriel. Cut her some freaking slack.

[@Doomzdeh]

To be fair, Marinette wasn’t wrong about Su-Han. He literally didn’t provide any aid whatsoever in Akuma Attacks or in tracking Shadowmoth. He’s done nothing. He could’ve taken a Miraculous to use to fight alongside Ladybug and Chat Noir (he’s an adult and could use the power as much as he wished, plus he has a fighting style to use against Akumas), yet did nothing instead. Su-Han calls himself the Celestial Guardian, and yet he left every responsibility in the world to two 14-year olds. There’s really no denying that, though Marinette was responsible for the rise of Monarch, Su-Han definitely was too. Heck, do you know who the perfect person to have given the Dog Miraculous in the Season 4 Finale was? Su-Han! He apparently lives far enough away from the main urban areas that he likely wouldn’t have been touched by Risk. He has experience with the Miraculous and could’ve provided a great amount of aid against Strikeback. Instead, since he barely helped at all, Marinette didn’t think of him and Felix got the Miraculous as a result.

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

Something like I appriciate the special for aknowledgement Marinette choice to lie was not black and white but it will have both positve and negative consequenses

[@13xPetra]

Marinette could totally pull the card, "You guys idolized him, buying merch and valuing his opinion, therefore I didn't want your world to be shattered," to the people of Paris, which would render this irrelevant. Given this show's record with its fanbase, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers just went with it.

[@Natt0chi]

Honestly I think what may become one of the worst aspects of the London special(and by extension the Paris special) is the fact that they’re good. Because if season 6 turns out disappointing I feel as though this special may become soured in the fandoms opinion. It becomes another example of what miraculous could have been. So here’s to hoping that the special was a sign of things to come and not the exception

[@hudycat]

This special episode was crazy. Though it did clarify so many of our unanswered questions from the previous finale. I’m honestly struggling to recover from what I just watched. Oh, and Lila is a TERRIFIC VILLAIN. I’m bloody scared.

[@mayotango1317]

Sorry to disappoint you, but remember that they always save the best writing for the specials. I mean, in the Paris special was the only time Monarch was intimidating...whereas in the series he was humiliated by a bunch of kids.

[@AshBlueFox16]

As much as I love Marinette, her latest choice wasn’t the best one

[@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112]

Same here. I love Marinette, but her choice wasn’t good either.

[@muichirotokito5624]

thats supposed to be the ultimate plot point lol

[@hunterrousseau3770]

I'm sure Argos would probably agree too since she did also trick him into wanting to be good and even just got into a relationship with Adrien's ex; Kagami. So, I think this be like with Magneto from "X-Men '97" if you ask me here. But, that's just my idea here is all

[@ItsJustDanthemaN]

We need a series of episodes in season 6 where cat noir/adrien finds out the truth about who he really is and what his father did. Resulting to a crash out (or him being a more deadlier version of chat blanc) that will get out of control until there is some reconciliation.

[@TS-fe4jl]

Does anyone realise the fact that the amount of plot armour that the characters will have will be insane because bunnyx will always be there to stop anything significantly bad from happening so we always know that the good guys will win ?

[@DUDEBRUHMICE]

Oh shit O_O

[@yan13502]

Only if it implies time travel.

[@staydetermined6717]

The physical anyway but the mental impact? Lmao no Sure the damage is fixed physically But mentally? Nah

[@TS-fe4jl]

@@staydetermined6717 yes, the mental impact was very much visible, but it was very clear why they introduced bunnyx in the first place

[@CryxRaremoon]

we know time shenanigans don't work like that. As Adult Bunnyx says "Interfering with events can have serious consequences." and "when your trying to solve a problem don't go and cause more problems"

[@MissJJoan]

Ah, that's a good point! I really would love to see this theme explored further in the upcoming season. Fingers crossed!!

[@ashebennett7726]

Even if a movie or special was good, I have no hope for them to deliver a satisfying payoff or any type of payoff in the series.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Exactly! Like she lied to Adrien and the whole world! There’s no going back for her! No peace! No forgiveness! She’s a terrorist forgiver. She is not a true hero! Never was.

[@ashebennett7726]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian Right? In rl, she would be hated. What she did is unforgivable. Usagi aka sailor moon is superior as, not only a hero, but as a character as well. You can sympathize with Usagi when she tries to find a way to save the world and Hotaru without having to sacrifice her. It’s not that she’s willing to sacrifice the planet, she just didn’t want to sacrifice anyone. The things she puts herself through in order to find a way to save Hotaru without putting the world in jeopardy makes her a pretty realistic hero. The raw emotional frustration and sadness when she couldn’t power up was amazing because you can empathize with her. What I love about Sailor Moon is that she is a healer but she also punishes the wicked. I love how she goes from bratty and arrogant to selfless and heroic. Even when she can be bratty at times, she’s truly kind.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@ashebennett7726Yep! Very true. Sailor Moon definitely knew how to deliver a story!

[@ashebennett7726]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian Yup. That’s why I loved watching her every morning before going to school.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Yeah, you're right about this I'm not sure if Marinette apologizing to Adrien and telling him the truth about his dad will truly fix anything. Just like Rapunzel from "Tangled the Series", Marinette is seen as from jump, right about everything and anyone who calls out her wrongdoings, is wrong. Even if it's Alya or Su Han or even Adrien who calls her out

[@DarkRaikon]

to me its another layer of "ladybug can't lose" time travel if she lost...

[@chibunwosu1964]

@smartypants I JUST REALISED, LILA HAS PHOTOS OF EVERYTHING (including the crypt) with Emilie’s body, the ring, the contract with Tomoe, everything! If she were to turn the public view and frame ladybug as a liar, she would have EVIDENCE too! What if in the season 6 finale, the whole world turns against ladybug (including chat noir and the team)

[@247gamelover2]

I can't be excited cause i'm still bitter about how season 5 ended. We wouldn't need the lodon special if the wtiters had just included Adrien IN THE FINAL BATTLE.

[@EnemyOfLactose1758]

How would including Adrien mean that the London Special wouldn't exist? Lila finding out their identities and finding the butterfly miraculous and making her wish could still happen. Adrien being there wouldn't change much.

[@MaliniandLife]

FR

[@MaliniandLife]

The episodes could merge together

[@sliced_oranges.128]

You do realize that if Adrien were included in the final battle, then the London special wouldn't have happened, right? Neither would Gabriel's Wish. Nathalie would still be dead, and Gabriel would've still died anyway due to the cataclysm. Adrien would literally have no one left and he won't understand why. If Adrien found out everything in the Season 5 finale, then there won't be any plot for him in season 6, and a lot the foreshadowing we received throughout the seasons would be for nothing. Also, the events that occurred during the finale were things that NEEDED to happen at that particular time. There simply isn't enough time in a single 2-parter for Adrien to unpack and process everything. That would be too much at once and it will feel emotionally rushed. Adrien will find out everything eventually, but right now, that in itself is the new major plotline of the show moving forward. People need to stop saying that the London Special was made to "Correct" the "mistakes" in writing that the Season 5 finale had. The London special serves as an EXTENSION to what we were left with at the end of season 5, and it also paves the way for the show's new story arc to begin. Secrets and Lies has been confirmed to be the major theme for season 6. Let's just wait and see how things play out, the writers know what they're doing.

[@247gamelover2]

@sliced_oranges.128 i completely agree you couldn't deal with the emotional fallout of Adrien finding out in just a 2 parter, but considering the london special acts as an epilouge to season 5 and doesn't fully resolve things, the show could've just as easily revealed the truth to Adrien in the finale then used season 6 to really dive into the fallout. It would make just as good a teaser for season 6 as what we have and would imo better pay off the fact Adrien is related to the villain.

[@ezealigosichidera8840]

The funny 😆 part of the special is that Lila basically gave herself the power to time travel and later the power of a ghost 👻. I mean it was fun to watch the butterfly 🦋 miraculous be used in such a way instead of just giving someone who would probably mess up.

[@steveseven3206]

The London special episode where the action doesn't really take place in London and which is probably the least special of all the special episodes because originally it was supposed to be a double episode to conclude season 5. It would probably have been much better than the rushed ending we got as a finale, but anyway. For me the episode seems to prepare two important things: - Probably Adrien's discovery that he not only lost his father but also that he is mostly responsible for it when he used his power on Monarch's arm! - the collapse of the united miraculous league when Ladybug's lies come to light.

[@cemrecerenylmaz7958]

I think they've foreshadowed that Marinette will be akumatized in season 6. You think how? Well... She's too overwhelmed. She always save anybody. With season 3 she started to have PTSD in season 4 (Especially part 2 of the season, Chat Blanc travma) And Marinette wanted to protect him from getting akumatized. She's not only overwhelmed but also keeps lying to people she loves. And now that she knows that Gabriel was Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch, She doesn't know what she should do. And Gabriel Agreste is Adrian's father. Btw, I also think that Adrian will akumatized as well, because he discovers the biggest secret of his father, which Ladybug keeping it as a secret. He will be denial and akumatized as Chat Blanc for real. Ladybug and the other heros will defeat Chat Blanc, however Adrian will break up with Marinette after that. And that's the perfect motive for Panic (Akumatized Marinette) her fears are now real and she's alone and more overwhelmed than ever. She keeps blaming herself and depression, now that her biggest fears has happened. I think she will use her fears for beating the heroes, including Chat Noir. As Panic.

[@AndrewLike1941]

I could see Lila making a villain that exposes lies in an up in your face method that causes people to act irrationally and violently turn on someone. Kind of like cancel culture on social media. However, the villain not only grows more powerful by the pain he or she causes but openly mocks that person’s pain and sadness while doing it to add insult to injury. Basically, imagine a sensational journalist with the personality of Mahito from Jujutsu Kaisen. That would be such a terrifying villain and it would be even better if the villain did the things they do simply because they can.

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Umm, Felix knows his uncle was Monarch too here. And, since he is currently in a relationship with Kagami I don't think he'll be too happy or thrilled that even her own mother got off scott free with ease here and will even probably return to his old antagonistic ways here to take others like her, or his uncle down from the inside now that he's part of the hero team here and even become an antagonist toward series Ladybug especially when he and Cerise learn about the movie universe versions of everyone there and even use Cerise's blackmail photos against his late uncle and the series version of Ladybug against her to the public here and even against series Cat Noir when Argos and Chrysalis even learn about the once existed alternate Cat Blanc timeline future, the nightmare he's dad imbued on him before, or his mental split personality as him if the writers are going for that as well too here and even use the bunny miraculous to travel back in the past before Fu was even a guardian or accidentally destroyed the temple before and challenge Su-Hun for his occupation as celestial leader of the Order of Guardians, win fairly, and even use their resources as they and his mom please to bring real change to the world so no one else will ever turn out like they did before here. But, that's just my idea here if Felix wins over Cerise's trust for him and his mom before he frees and gives back her miraculous after capturing her and confiscating it without anyone even noticing it once they learn of each other's childhood pasts here first since they share similar enemies with the series versions of both Marinette/Ladybug and Gabriel Agreste here after all. But, again; just my idea here still

[@feIixcantfathom]

no bc how many times does she need to relearn the same lesson that lying is bad 😭😭 like okay talk about repetitive ass writing for the sake of milking the show for 5 more seasons… did they have no other ideas to set up more conflict

[@siroreo717]

Yes but this is WAY bigger than every other lie and plot point in the show. To tell the full story truthfully, she would need to go to Adrien after being locked in an asylum by his dad (last moment with him) and say: Your FATHER, Gabe, was a multi-continental terrorist. Why? To resurrect your recently deceased MOTHER's corpse chilling in the basement. Why? She slowly (and painfully) DIED creating to you. Oh yeah btw you are a SENTIMONSTER alongside your ex and cousin. You lose this ring, you lose your free will and your life.

[@SonicSpeedGaming759]

I think what would be cool is if Lila reveals the secret and then we get like a civil war kinda thing where Cat Noir makes his own team with some of the other heroes agreeing that Ladybug shouldn't have kept it a secret. Like they won't be against each other they'll just work separately

[@Andovers848]

Ladybug being 14 : Meanwhile Adrien also being a teenager : 😭💀

[@matthewromano2450]

Marnette lying about hawk moth the world ending everything will come back to haunt her

[@riotkitty]

With this show’s track record I’m not expecting much because Marinette is always treated right or at least correct in the end for rash/poor decision making.

[@EDubbs313]

This could be nothing, but when lady and cat were talking…when she said “keeping a huge…secret” and on secret it cut to cats face and the look he was giving her…i wonder if the resentment from Adrian was poking through the mask a little bit. Man I hope season 6 cooks like this special

[@shacharlem4424]

I like to think this and lolirock would put our protagonists Marinette and Iris through a ringer of fear, distress and shock in the next arc but through different ways: Marinette would have that whole "I've seen more than others and I think ot may better stay with me" arc while Iris would face paranoia that she could lose all that's dear to her in the blink of an eye, now that praxina is the villain.

[@MaizeSnallygaster]

Hey, if anyone in the comments has had actually had a loved one do the things that has lied like Marinette has to Adrien, what happened to your relationship afterwards. I mean, I get if a mom doesn’t tell their five year old that their dad is a drug dealer then I get it, but that situation isn’t really analogous to what’s happening in the show. I also don’t think the ‘she is only a teenager’ argument is going to work since most of the show’s audience are also teenagers, and teenagers like judging each other.

[@Shimospeher]

From what I remember Astruc say this is kids show, that's why we had many problem with episode chronology (cuz if kids watch this it must be enjoyable whenever of knowing plot or not)... I get it, it was targeted at younger audience, but they must realise that audience grow with them, and propably realise at S5. Still I think they could do this better, just like MLP 4 gen. They hold to they core but blink to bronies sometimes, to show "hey, we know you watch this too so have this as show of gratitude".

[@MuhammadabdurrehmanJami-vz8do]

I love everything you make I LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU! your great man

[@staydetermined6717]

I mean Marinette has a point for Suhan, why didn’t he appear sooner in show, he did leave a minor guardian all by herself and not showing assistance, tbf

[@reviewsandtheories4941]

Not quite not defending suhan he's the absolute worst but he did show up a couple of episode into season 4 and said he wanted to choose adult rather then kids

[@muichirotokito5624]

@@reviewsandtheories4941 Thats because he showed up too late.

[@reviewsandtheories4941]

@@muichirotokito5624 true at that point

[@sliced_oranges.128]

He didn't appear earlier in the show because the Tibet temple and every member of the Order Of The Guardians was destroyed, until Ladybug and Cat Noir defeated Master Fu's Sentimonster

[@muichirotokito5624]

@ I meant in season 4. Had he appeared in episodes 1,2, and 3 Marinette most likely would’ve accepted his help. However, I understand where she is coming from, he didn’t appear when she needed him most and now that she has it under control he appears to take the box from her?

[@nevermind-jq6rk]

Hi this is the one of the best yt channels that talks abt miraculous and other things as well but I was wondering could u make a vid ranking all the ships and talking abt them. Pls and ty❤ Edit: pls make this popular i rlly want this episode

[@shacharlem4424]

I like to think that everything from season 1-5 was basically the equivalent to the first Jojo story "phantom blood". A bit clumsy, awkward and still sort of getting the hang of it, but had a genuine heart in it. The next one will be its "battle tendency". Believe It or not, but both phantom blood and the agreste arc have far more connections than you think. Reception wise, they're probably the lowest rated (but will still be the most important part to understand the story) as the creators were still like a bit learning to walk with it. Ironically, it happened in opposite ways (the agreste arc started well but began to sour with time while Phantom Blood started sour but improved as time went on. Same goes to the protagonists Jonathan and Marinette and even their relationships with Adrien and erina). Story wise, both feature people of lower and high class finding supernatural artifacts (the miraculouses and the stone mask), blonde deciveful handsome devils abused by their dads before those dad's died from disease (Felix and Dio with colt dying due to using a broken miraculous and Dario dying due to Dio poisoning him), old Chinese men who drove the plot forward (Fu and Wang Chen), innocent nobles (Adrien and Jonathan), characters who were originally poor but became connected with rich people later on and became successful themselves while also being English voiced by Keith Silverstein (Gabriel and Speedwagon), a bullied girl who later became stronger (Marinette and erina), villains who use minions (Gabriel and Dio), a mentor who sacrifices themselves (Fu and zeppelin) and even a bittersweet simultaneous win/lose ending involving the rich characters (Gabriel sacrificing his life to heal Natalie and move on with Emilie by using the wish and Jonathan encouraging erina to escape the exploding ship and rescue a baby at the cost of his life while also keeping Dio detained. Funnily enough, both of those nobles had Hebrew names which might have eluded their fate: Gabriel (גבריאל) translated as “God is my strength,” “God is my strong man,” or “hero of God.” and in his ending, he has literally given the power of god and decided to do something right after so long. Meanwhile Jonathan (יונתן) means "God has given" and throughout the series, we see Jonathan giving many things to various characters: he gave back the doll to erina, he tried to give his help to Dio, he tried to give his best in everything he did, he gave Dio a beating for unconsensually kissing erina, among many things. Most important is that he gave his life in the end to protect erina and the baby so they could escape and live their lives and he could keep Dio detained).

[@fudouakio4759]

Comparing this to Phantom Blood is insane

[@shacharlem4424]

Hey, that's just how I saw it@@fudouakio4759. And I bet that now season 6 will start its "battle tendency".

[@TheRealBunnyHops]

Who likes the new art style? I’m honestly curious.

[@SnapeZealous]

I don't think it's bad, but the old one, I like better, maybe the new one can grow on me as the story goes on.

[@vanilla-soda_cake]

I was actually TERRIFIED by the new animation style in the Season 6 trailers. But I think the actual animation will be much better because the trailers were kinda low resolution XD

[@staydetermined6717]

Potential floptok potential

[@ZoeandAddie1013]

I personally like it, but I don't think it fits the miraculous show. I also think we all just need to get used to it because the aren't gonna change it 😅

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

I will miss the old one but the new one is nice

[@DefineObsessed]

Lila could release her blackmail to the world which would work in her favour and prove that Ladybug lied. This would destroy Ladybugs trust between atleast her and the public but this damage is entire repairable... Lila needs to do something huge, possibly akumstising Chat Noir, or maybe herself and create another illusion of Ladybug like hero's day? There's the basics of a really strong plan for Lila, she just needs to navigate it and prepare for every possibility. Whether time-travel, a good lucky charm, or her own self. Also: Side Note; I'm sure there's a way for Lila to examine the book, and see if there's any trace but she'd need the hindsight that the book was what was messed with and not what happened in the past. I wonder if there's a way for Lila to try and remember what happened? Maybe an akuma to see memories of what happened in the past? Who knows...

[@Shimospeher]

Theoretically yes, question how reliable Lila info have. Does world buy her? It would propably not (in realistic scenario, she's hero after all). But characters like Adrien? Of course he would buy this. Does he switch side to Lila? Propably not in realistic scenario.

[@cristianlancaster1645]

I hope in the next sixth season that marinette/ladybug will have to reveal the truth to adrien/cat noir when the time is right

[@Unbrickable27]

If i were a writer the season plot would be this: Lila acoumatises sandboy and discovers LBs worst nightmare is chat blanc. Here plan becomes to make that a reality since if it happens ladybug would be terrified and wouldn't act thoughtfully, and noir wouldn't be a threat . She would make it a task to discover chat noirs identity, and eventually suceed. With the help of tomoi she would ruin adriens life and eventually expose marrinette as a lier to him. She would look like the honest person trying to save him from the evil tomoi, and he'd be looking for someone to comfort him because he no longer trust marrinette. Thoughts would cross his mind of joining he, but he would choose not to give in. Lila would send an acouma that would amplifie those thoughts untill it was all he could hear. With a mix of the pain of his difficult new life, the realisation that his dad is hawkmoth and the betrayal from the one he loved the most he would finally give in. Chat blanc would then be the villain for the finale (under the influence of lila, so he won't destroy everything). All the other heros would get absolutely clapped, and ladybug would realise there's no way to beat him. She sees that the only way to win is to get through to him emotionally, which she finally does through talking about his mother or something (idk). At the end martinette would ask Adrien if he forgives him and hed say that he forgives her, but he can't trust her and then they'd break up. There's probably a million plot holes, and this kinda sounds like a cringe fanfic, but still. I hope they go in that direction.

[@mayotango1317]

I think Marinette will be the akumatized one, while Adrien will join Lila/Iris as she will be honest with him.

[@muichirotokito5624]

@@mayotango1317 Why would Adrien join Lila? that literally makes no sense?

[@mayotango1317]

@@muichirotokito5624 It reminds me of the comic book "Superman & Batman: Generations" in which Joel Kent (Superman's son, who lost his powers to the golden Kryptonite as a baby) was never told that his father is Superman. Then Lex Luthor shows up and tells him the whole truth and easily manipulates him to turn him against his father.

[@Normal_girlxx]

I really want a felix and cerise 1v1 the 2 smartest characters

[@BrendynRobertson]

You should review the Miraculous games, Rise of the Sphinx and the recent Paris Under Siege.

[@OhGoodieGumdrops]

I can only watch from the sidelines since I been disappointed too many times. The only form of ladybug official content I see now is short clips and reviews that sometimes make me watch the episodes then disappoints me all over again. I think the movie was the only thing I watched fully by myself and felt like miraculous was in a good place.

[@QueenJenniferTheGreat]

Does anyone else want Marinette's parents to find out she's ladybug so badly. Like imagine them finding out their daughter battled an evil supervillian and that she is a superhero and guardian of the miraculous. That would be a fun episode

[@d4red3v1l8]

Ladybug should’ve told him the truth, even if he gets akumatised she could easily fix everything, she did it twice when Adrien got akumatised twice.

[@KittMouri]

I respect the heck out of Nathalie for being willing to turn herself in from the get-go. I said this before, I truly think she was a character that the writers had written off as just a henchman in the earlier seasons and only realized her potential down the line and THAT'S when they started writing her with more content. Basically, she was a throw away character that they pulled out of the bin after she had already been on the show. I really like her and wish that they would have given more thought to her character from the beginning.

[@ИванКорнилов-у7ю]

но в итоге она согласилась с Маринетт!😜

[@maggiemartin1281]

Personally, I've always loved Marinette. I always watched the later seasons because of the way the show matured, and I think that's what it's doing now. This is a huge mature topic, lying to the whole world, carrying the burden, watching your freind suffer, it's hard. And I can't wait to see how this will improve

[@jjohnson2445]

Technically it wasn't maris fault she was tricked by felix who was disguised as adrien

[@mrenergy5364]

Just from reading the thumbnail, I'm really excited that YOU'RE ready excited thatGAAAAAAASP😮😮 MARINETTE ACTUALLY FACES REPERCUSSIONS FOR HER ACTIONS. Intentional or not. I can just imagine Adrien not just figuring out he's been lied to, but also that the only reason they're together is because Marinette is a walking talking stalking...dorking...mess. Not sure who's the bigger simp, Marinette for Adrien, or Cat Noir for Ladybug.

[@AshesOfDarkness_666]

Honestly in my opinion The only bd thing about the London special is because it plays off the massive slip up that was the season 5 finale Other wise this special is amazing I just hope going forward from here we get more Adrien/Cat Noir Because I think that’s what the fans really want at this point

[@hatguyfan22]

New subscriber here. I realized I didn’t comment on the video that brought me to your channel. I’m honestly excited for this season and Lila to wreck Marinette’s life and force her into growth (still detest her heavily though). However, it also means Lila will be Hawkmoth for years @-@ they’re adults when she’s still Hawkmoth. I don’t think I’m ready for such a long drawn out villain. I got sick of Gabe.

[@ReqiumZ]

I honestly can't see the proverbial 'shit hit the fan', which may lead to chat disowning ladybug or even the identity reveal, at least on chat's side. This might even result in the most wanted senario (by the fandom) the infamous marinette akumatised arc, i mean, the show would blow up if that happened, as well as the aftermath being a fun concept to deal with i really hope the writers dont get cold feet and really explore all possible facets of this story line and really drive home how marinette is fundamentally against 'lying' tho she is lying to everyone, which would draw lots of parallels btwn her and lila making for an interesting dynamic between the two instead of gabe who still felt like 'adreins' villan, and being bizzarly beaten by marinette. Sry 4 the waffle, but i can't wait to see what the writers do! 😅

[@LastOfUs123]

People are mad at marinette but here’s the thing these are adult choices to make- she is just a kid and what if she did tell the truth then people will think Adrien was helping his father and it will hurt him more

[@ИванКорнилов-у7ю]

Really?🤣

[@LastOfUs123]

@ yeah?

[@AarnaAmbardar-n5d]

She could have atleast told Adrien and chat about this, since he is secretly both her work partner and her boyfriend... He deserves to know more than anyone else since its regarding his father... She really could have just decided "screw public, emma tell em both about it somce they are one of the most closest people she knows... Sure, she knows that Adrien will have an emotional breakdown, but she can double down on support, both as ladybug and more importantly, as Mari... So yeah, bad one there Marinette

[@skyenight-by8yh]

I can only *IMAGINE* the chaos that Lila’ll bring to the story and characters that Gabriel/Hawk Moth couldn’t have before. 😮 I honestly can’t wait for Season 6 onwards to see how it goes. 😅

[@TheLegendraryAcewolf]

Marinette went from being a happy school girl to having depression

[@S0me_0ne334]

Watching this video, I realize there's someone very important who knows Ladybug lied about Gabriel's identity... Lila. And that's a big deal. No way she's letting Ladybug get it easy, especially as, per Tomoe's laptop and pictures, she literally has proofs Ladybug lied...

[@RamshacklePrefect896]

Every time I watch this show I have to remind myself that Ladybug and Cat Noir are equals. Their miraculous are the only two that are a yin and yang symbol even in the box. The fandom made Cat Noir lesser than Ladybug. The first few seasons were enjoyable because of their dynamic. After that, I just stopped caring. They weren't themselves anymore.

[@Shimospeher]

Not fandom but same series itself made him less relevant. You not had him in the S5 finale, you not had him in the last special, show itself is more and more about Mari.

[@AlexDanpa]

Where can you see this special? And when will the new season be released If there will be

[@SpongeBobSquarePants847]

0:51 but if she tells them the truth their lives will be in jeopardy she cannot risk that

[@jamesmachuta2010]

I think the change in writing might also be representative of a change in methodology. How now the endings are not gonna be clean little tied in the bow packages. But they're going to be in partial wins and back alley deals. This could also be representative of a change in the planned demographic of the show going from being a children's show with everything wrapped up in a bow to messy real world style endings.

[@ethantay4630]

what marinette did was Apsolutely wrong, there is no way to justify it , Thsi is gonna hurt everyone except marinette (big shocker ,a protagonist who never faces serious consequences for her actions ) It’s gonna hurt Adrien the most when the person he loves and looks up to turns out to have lied to him in his face (then again it seems liek Adrien stops thinking since season5)

[@Floptropica.8]

Morally it was right, logically no. This KZbinr who reacted to the London special talks abit about marinettes decision being a short term solution but long term consequence. And made me see a different way in marinettes decision. At the time it was the right thing to do. God knows what would've happened if marinette dropped the whole agreste arc on him.

[@bdagamingx7128]

​@Floptropica.8 not only that but he STILL doesn't know he's a senti monster

[@ethantay4630]

@@Floptropica.8 he will be devastated,but at least he knows the truth . Marinette crossed a line by doing the verrry thing Gabriel did to his own son, lie to him . If Adrien knew the truth , he could at least make the decision to lie to the public . He has the right to know if someone you knew turned out to be holding a massive lie , wouldn’t you be devastated?

[@ethantay4630]

@@Floptropica.8 it is morally and logically wrong! There is no way to justify this it’s just wrong wrong wrong

[@Floptropica.8]

@@ethantay4630 it's the Time though like boy literally was locked up in a white asylum prison cell only contained with nightmares. Just to be expected for marinette to drop the whole agreste arc on him like yesss he has the right to know 1000% but y'all aren't talking about the delivery of this news like for starters get him outta that prison cell and let natilie tell him instead.

[@staydetermined6717]

Also didn’t gabe find a loophole in the wish? He transferred the sickness from Nathalie to him And when did Natalie first used the peacock? Hero’s day to save gabe, for the wish he would of became shadow moth right then and there

[@reviewsandtheories4941]

Actually no cuz at that point it was still broken until they faced Fu and took his tablet that had the decoded recipes which fixed the miraculous that made it safe to use

[@AyanUmairIslam]

No gabe traded his life for Nathalie. That was his wish since Nathalie had already died prior to

[@BrendanFeng-t4c]

There’s no such thing as a right or wrong decision, proven by the Bunnyx’s. All you want is for her to suffer from her choices or to take a risk. But you fail to realize that season 5 was the end of a huge arc meaning she would have to have improved a lot more. Her failures are always involved in the finales or “important” episodes, which is where she’ll always have more room for character development. But in the frequent episodes, she will always win.

[@ИванКорнилов-у7ю]

нет не правильного не не правильно... один постмодернизм😓

[@Akshayaaaaaa]

words cannot express how much i LOATHED season 5 and its ending, for the dozens of reasons im sure weve long since discussed. I thought i was done with the show but then i heard this special came out and decided to watch it bcs, who am i kidding? this show is my toxic ex i keep coming back to. I still hate how things went down, but seeing marinette struggle with deciding whats wrong and right, needing the support of natalie, bunnix, and of course cat noir was really interesting. its the kind of internal struggle that weve barely seen throughout this show. I hope this will be kept up in season 6

[@PercyDorito]

the thing is Marinette is a teenager with a big responsibility on her shoulders. adults should always be to blame for this children shouldn't be carrying so much responsability

[@pinefreshofficial]

personally, I think she is going to tell cat noir what happened, or at least more of what she told adrien, or at leats she will tell him that she lied to adrien and the world, and since Cat Noir and Adrien are one and the same... I would love to see Adrien reveal his identity in a tirade of negative emotions and that being a whole time travel thing or whatever with hopefully a luka return and he finally tells ladybug that he knows cat noirs identity as well as hers.

[@gomeztoth2437]

"Narrative promise?" At least AG had a tragic motivation. Lila/Cerise, the apparent new main antagonist, has no motivation whatsoever. None. Why does she do what she does? Why is she wholly one-dimensional? What are the bases for her psychopathy? So long as those questions remain unanswered, the emergence of a compelling narrative structure seems highly unlikely. Or perhaps the writers' aim is to induce boredom?

[@mahtabak6104]

Are you going to make a video about the live action miraculous TV show

[@lonelyboy4886-e9i]

what if lila is marinette dupain cheng from another multiverse that why she is after adrien and hates marinette and her wish was heros not existing which means she wished for miraculous was never made -

[@soccer4207]

I have lost any faith I had in the MLB writing a long time ago...

[@Shimospeher]

Well when this video is more about Mari and not same special, yea I agree that Marinette finally start to had a proper character building, something we don't have in first two seasons, something that start in 3 and then, and it's easy seen in this special. With proper story write it can be really a good superhero scenario, but too many times writers show that they add more and more plotholes and made some characters pointless. Just see at Luka, Gabe know he know heroes ID and let him go like that, cuz he not target people off Paris? Other people finally start to tell Marinette about her flaws, disagree with her (like Kagami) and she does something she despise, blatant lie. With good storytelling this could lead to many things, like think of Ladybug tell truth to Chat (I don't see why not, after all he was LB trusted partner and he deserved most from all people to know truth about Hawkmoth) and then Adrien must hide fact that he know truth, but at same time berate her as Chat for lie to public. Same with let Tomoe just go like that, she should be main villain in next seasons in my opinion, better in that place than Lila, but whatever. Decisions of Marinette could lead to many interested scenarios, ofc with proper writing. I think the creators of the show realise that after ten years of show they could get to some wall. Yea there was high hype, especially after S5 and movie, and popularity was damn high, but in my opinion it was because of being Agreste Arc finale - you not only had new kid fans, but alsoe those who grow with show, who would want how it end, especially Gabe and love square. Don't forget many who remember S1 as kids are now adult. They can go back to things like S1-2, thinking "we can again milk like before" (saying "it's kid show and we want still target our audience") or try to appeal to more teen, which in term of plot they should. I personally think, I hope be wrong, they would do both, which in term of plot be catastrophy. After all just like with Marinette, they can't pretend 5 seasons not change her, she's just not after all a normal girl. Which led propably to my biggest issue with Miracolous, they try shoot both audiences (i mean young kids and more mature), like first seasons were strictly toward youngs, when S5 was at more teens, they not like MLP gen 4, which not change core, just stay to the end what it was. Just see Potter, the series grow with you. I belive that if they try to go somehow "nowhere", even at some kids would fall off, because it's not like that kids not interested in plot too.

[@plushmakerfan8444]

To be fair Marinette is a kid frendky Yandare

[@lonelyboy4886-e9i]

something i fell that there will be a new character in season 6 who will know everything abt miraculous - maybe lladybug new allay or lila new allay because in leaked version of season 6 intro we see 2 ppl one will be lila and 2nd we dont know yet are standing in front of heros

[@EDubbs313]

im dong a re-watch now and i just noticed something that could be nothing but would also be reallllllly interesting if they go into this more. When ladybug was giving the press conference, the final question before she swung off was "Did you lose because you had to face Monarch alone?" meaning that they public knows that cat noir wasnt part of the fight. Could we see the public have a moment where they turn on or blame Gabe's death on cat noir for not being there for the fight?

[@primal1233]

I really like the London special a lot. It was very enjoyable to watch💯❤️