The Linux Cast reviews Bluefin!

[@redwing-bb]

27:48 - As a traditional linux user (redhat/slackware/debian/gentoo/ubuntu/arch, now bazzite) it feels kindof bad hearing your dismissive tone here. I know there's a loud minority of idiots who think they know everything but there's plenty of us who are just doing our thing. Bazzite has been great, I imagine plenty of traditional linux users would fnd bluefn/bazzite/etc very comfortable.

[@JorgeCastro]

Yeah you're right, I'm more targetting the loud people ruining it for everyone else. I'll be more careful with my wording in the future, thanks for the correction!

[@TheLinuxCast]

My favorite Matt is the muted one too.

[@GLP53Oz]

I’m a 71yo who’s interested in non-mainstream solutions. Apple and Microsoft suck and I don’t feel all that friendly about Canonical either. What I do like about Linux is the consistency of the underpinning philosophy, the open source world and the community base. Importantly I just started to use aurora, chose it over bluefin cause I dislike Gnome. Only been a few days but I am impressed. It’s solid and I really do think it’s a significant design improvement that helps to minimise some of the weaknesses of the bulk of Linux distros. Please keep it going as I genuinely believe you guys are onto something. Great job.

[@TheLinuxCast]

Noob really would have been a better word for me to use than Normal person.

[@inittux]

I used BluefinDX for a while myself, then switched back to Silverblue. A few weeks ago I switched to Hyprland Wayblue image which works quite well as well. It would be cool if the Bluefin project created a Hyprland image as well. The only thing I find confusing about Bluefin, Bazzite and Aurora have nothing in common when it comes to the name, that's why I first thought Wayblue was part of the Bluefin project. So it would be less confusing if the Bluefin project images added a common name factor in the all the image names, so that you can know just by the name that they are all part of the same project without having to look it up.

[@JorgeCastro]

All of our images are listed on universal-blue.org and have ublue-os in the URL, that is the unique identifier. For example ghcr.io/ublue-os/bluefin. When you rebased to wayblue it is under a different address (that the user has to type out), that's made by someone else and not in the our organization. Since anyone on the internet can make these we can't really control how other projects name their images, though the use of the word blue seems popular because the initial image was silverblue.

[@AndyGait]

Having worked in IT retail support, you're spot on. 95% (I would say even higher) don't give a rats about the OS. They want to use social media and email/message. Some want that and games too. I love your passion for the project. I wish you and the team every success with it.

[@matthiasbendewald1803]

You wouldn't put Linux on the PC of your dad; Somebody did exactly that to my dad. He had issues with the new Windows 11 experience. His printer didn't work anymore and everything wasn't looking familiar anymore. He was 79 at that point so can't blame him for not being as flexible anymore. Somebody did put Ubuntu onto his laptop and he needed 2 weeks to get used to it. On the first day he needed 2 hours to find the button for shutting this thing down. After that he was completely happy. His printer is working, the only thing is that he asked me why I didn't put Ubuntu onto his PC long before...

[@maxarendorff6521]

Matt's video was actually pretty good. I half expected him to install i3wm and alacritty and complain that rpm-ostree is too slow or whatever lol.

[@Hamradiofromabalcony-fw6xe]

I do not use bleufin our bazzite. But I do agree with you. Linux really shined in mobile (android) cloud (chrome-os) and gaming (steam-os). And bazzite is targeting the right audience.And like Steve Ballmer said "develepors, developers, develepors!"

[@khaledabdelal8015]

I completely agree about targeting developers. As a developer myself, I recently had Ubuntu break during an upgrade to 24.04, which took hours to fix. Because of that experience, Bluefin is now at the top of my list to replace Ubuntu whenever I reinstall. Many people just eventually give up and switch to a Mac.

[@jrowen76]

Universal b is great for non tech too. Atomic updates is the way for non tech uses.

[@MinaSchloch]

hahahhahaha "I leave that to the Apple folks, you know I have ports on my Laptop". 12:48

[@fredsvlogandreviews5867]

That guy has a great channel I watch him a lot.

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

Is there any chance Bazzite might come out of the box with the CachyOS kernel in the future? They have a one custom tailored for Fedora in the Copr repos.

[@Ryan-ct3rv]

Bazzite have just recently started shipping their own kernel which includes patches from the cachyos kernel too. I find it unlikely they'll switch the kernel again any time soon.

[@Malix_Labs]

I'm uninitiated, what does it bring to the table?

[@Destide]

Next wallpaper Sussysaurus

[@fredsvlogandreviews5867]

I am a huge fan of linux been using linux for almost 20 years and I love bazzite and aurora. My first distro was mandrake used that for a long time and then used xandros for many many years until it went away and kind of distro hopped and even went back to windows for a while and then I was on a Christian distro that I used for a long time until an update broke it and I found it was no longer in development so distro hopped for a while again and ended up on yours recently. Although I have to admit I have only been using it for a few months on my gaming computer on my work computer I am still running tuxedo os and I think I have been using tuxedo os for like almost 2 years now and I love it.

[@bartosznitkiewicz9611]

Great video Jorge with great conclusions… most people buy devices and need only web browsers nowadays. I’m still waiting for a Holy Grail. Device with capabilities and build quality like a base MacBook Air with fully Linux support.

[@sebastianriquelme3513]

Jorge, any chance we can get a DX version of bazzite or an ujust install dx command? Thanks for all the amazing work you do!

[@JorgeCastro]

You can track the work for bazzite-dx here: github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/issues/533

[@Malix_Labs]

I might be wrong, but it might be easier to make a "gaming" switch in Bluefin

[@stephenzedalis4012]

Hmm, not sure I see any spots so I would guess Smilodon fatalis rather than Smilodon gracilis. Plus gracilis was eastern North America, not sure the mountains would be so tall and rugged in the east.

[@JorgeCastro]

Hah, thanks for being the first to turn in the homework assignment! S. fatalis were the ones I saw at the La Brea Tar Pits!

[@cheebadigga4092]

May I point out that maybe the marketing of Bluefin maybe 100% correct as it stands today. It is marketed towards developers and sysadmins first, and that's a good thing. Developers and sysadmins write better bug reports, for example. Not to brag or hurt anybody's feelings, but that's simply the case. Someday, when it's ready for 'normal users', it can then be marketed as such - when the 'advanced users' stuff is ironed out and the issues 'normal users' have can become much higher priority down the road. Just my opinion

[@TheLiberalTugboat]

I put my dad on Linux (Mint) over a decade ago. He had no issues (unlike Windows).

[@ikerstges]

most (or all) videos I find jump into already installed bluefin/aurora/bazzite. I find it hard to find how to get started with a plain laptop.. How do I get my own bluefin on my personal GitHub repository and then get my own ISO built there. Then how to get the ISO downloaded and make my bootable USB drive to install on a dedicated laptop. I think there is enough content to get me going from there, how to add/remove packages and so on. Maybe I didn't search properly, but I couldn't find a good jump-off to get started with my own bluefin or aurora on my GitHub and a plain, empty laptop (in my case that will be a lenovo with NO fancy nvidea requirements, no gaming but just plain developer workstation setup)..

[@santoshk1983]

In my experience with Linux, installing it is always the easiest part. In most cases its even simpler than WIndows install. You boot up a USB and hit continue & few times and you;re done. The real problem with Linux (cloud native or not) is when hardware doesn't work. That's what often has no solution and even if it has solution it will have you banging your head on a wall that you really can't expect "normal" to do. Second problem is stuff like Office/Photoshop, or MMORPG with anticheat etc not working. Both are not fixable unless the wider industry cooperates.

[@JorgeCastro]

Our image template is available here: github.com/ublue-os/image-template

[@ikerstges]

@@santoshk1983 yes, I fully agree. I want to first get Ublue setup on my Github, then bluild the plain default iso for myself which I then want to use to install on my laptop. Once I get that working, I then can start to look into incorporating my personal adaptations.. The Github actions and signing are my challenge.

[@stinga11]

Saludos desde PR!!!

[@MiguelTorrellas]

What do you mean by cloud native?

[@fredsvlogandreviews5867]

my fav terminal is Kitty it is awesome more so because of the name.

[@MinaSchloch]

I need KDE. I tried Aurora, but removing Firefox (which cannot be reinstalled) and that GTK Terminal are annoying. With the rest I mostly agree with you. I use vanilla Kinoite and layer 25 packages manually or so, even more dependencies. With ublue kinoite-main it is already less. I would appreciate if you could make the ublue updater into a simple package or program that you can install on vanilla ublue-main or Fedora Atomic desktops. Fedora people dont take this serious, wait for GUI stores to implement something (which is then incomplete, not fully compatable or simply doesnt work, like autoupdates in the KDE Settings).

[@JorgeCastro]

Firefox is a flatpak, it can be removed. The terminal can also be removed if you want with rpm-ostree. The ublue-main images are already auto updating. I'm not seeing the use case for ublue-updater for a Fedora Atomic system, it comes with it's own tools.

[@Sim-rh4tj]

My Mum, 80, is happy with Blufin. She no longer has to deal with the update prompts that Ubuntu would give her.

[@cheako91155]

I think it's because you don't use C++ that I have to ask. Do you think the build system and the base system can be decoupled? Nobody ever talks about the runtime system... because the runtime system must be the base of the build system.

[@DoubtingThomas333]

Please add Ankylosaurus My favourite dino 😎

[@npaladin2000]

The Universal Blue Project really needs to be on DIstrowatch. Instead everything's under the "Fedora" umbrella while every other Debian variant gets it's own entry (and they just dinged ChimeraOS which bugs me personally, having contributed to that project).

[@JorgeCastro]

We don't make distributions. :D

[@sebastianriquelme3513]

Selling devices with unbreakable OS is the only way to progress and gain marketshare. It's the only way you can market it to hardware manufacturers and end users. That, or a massive screw up from Microsoft? Who knows. Valve needs to make steamOS a success before microsoft keeps buying game studios and then turns AAA gaming into a subscription monopoly.

[@jakobw135]

Isn't the problem with Linux OPEN SOURCE - that it is DISORGANIZED?

[@jrowen76]

I love that you answered this review. Matts channel has allowed him to review down his nose.. after that review I unsubscribed from his reporting. I too enjoy a muted matt.

[@inffytech]

I don't really understand this comment. What was wrong about the review? Atleast I think it was very good and actually went through the main things why Aurora/bluefin/bazzite are actually very nice "distros".

[@jrowen76]

What's there to understand? Matt reviews are overly critical. Often criticizing for the sake of having a criticism. The absolute last review bomb was basically just a de complaint. Then came this.

[@JorgeCastro]

@@jrowen76 I loved his review! My response isn't to defend Bluefin or anything like that, it's to keep the party going, hopefully we'll work on something together in the future!

[@cheako91155]

I've installed Debian sid /w Gnome 4.7 and that breaks... I did this in qemu and it's obvious to me that gnome 4.7 is unusable. I'm stuck building Gnome 4.3 for sid, like it's gentoo and there is no support.

[@donaldmickunas8552]

I've heard good things about Bluefin. I was considering trying it. I'll pass. Developers have their own notions of how things should be. That's fine but I'm not a developer. I wish you the best of luck with Bluefin but it definitely isn't for me.

[@artemsmushkov766]

I don't agree that 3-4% in 30 years is a failure. Being the only desktop OS without some huge corporation fueling it with tons of resources that has a market share worth measuring is a giant success. I don't know why do people think not leading the market and filling the niche that perfectly suits you is a bad thing.

[@MagnusNemo-xc5nx]

Sounds like a failure to any reasonable non-fanboy.

[@artemsmushkov766]

@MagnusNemo-xc5nx it's just millions on happy users all over the world without ever forcing it to the market, what can be worse??? Without huge corporation behind it Linux will never rule desktop, current market share is already a miracle. Linux has its role on the market: it fills the niche for various edge cases and advanced use cases where two behemoths fail to deliver, reaching higher is impossible no matter what community does with it.

[@WillyReyno]

The facts are that if it is a failure, no matter what excuses you make, you cannot transform reality. The important thing is that they are trying to change this failure with innovation and hard work.

[@artemsmushkov766]

@@WillyReyno So you either lead everyone or fail? Is MacOS failure then? It definitely does not lead the market. They are making wonderful job for community, but it will not affect Linux desktop market share by any means, and it does not really matter! The only way how Linux can conquer desktops is if some big corporation will try to force it there by spending huge resources for years and years. It doesn't matter how good or bad Linux is, desktop market is a market where most people do not choose their system and just use what is there on the device, and you will not get there by just being good. If you try to chase impossible task of ruling everyone without having resources to rule everyone then sure, it is failure, and will always be failure no matter what. It's like if you start swimming and chase speed of 100 km/h, your whole life will be doomed to fail. But if you accept reality and concentrate on things that are actually achievable you may find out that Linux on desktop fills specific niche and does not have any competition here. It is a success, that surely has a lot of space for further improvements, and cloud-native desktops is among the biggest improvements recently. Things are great. Maybe could be better, but also could me much worse.

[@profetik777]

Please stop saying , "right?" After the end of almost every statement. From a public speaking comms perspective, it's distracting. Otherwise, love the passion and practical approach of universal blue.

[@JorgeCastro]

Yeah I strongly prefer to not make videos at all. See you in three months lol.

[@bigjazzsound]

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