The Living Ships of Star Trek

[@graceb9628]

Farscape had a living ship, which was a fascinating concept.

[@StarFleet_Tech1701]

NOT STAR TREK

[@UGNAvalon]

Mentioned (visually) at the end, alongside the Tardis. :D

[@PatshraygKawlinse-o4b]

Moya!

[@rkitchen69]

Also, LEXX

[@BlazingOwnager]

My first encounter with them was the classic, awesome and sadly forgotten Countdown to Doomsday sequel called Matrix Cubed way back on ye old Commodore 64.

[@geoffreyganoe5246]

Gene Rodenberry explored having an AI ship that was also part of the crew in Andromeda Ascendant. Andromeda had an AI that interacted with her crew via holograms and a second version in an android body that went by the name Rommie. Both evidenced full personalities with Andromeda being colder and more analytical and Rommie expressing more emotions, much like the differences in Data with and without his emotion chip.

[@HistoryVideoGamesMiscStuff]

Rommie was weird, as she seemed to develop three independent personalities when she started arguing between her android body, her screen avatar and IIRC her holographic avatar.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Minor nitpick..the series was simply Andromeda, 'Andromeda Ascendant' was the name of the ship, rather than the other way around. A shame what Sorbo has become since then.

[@Gaarafan007]

@@VulpisFoxfire I remember watching that show when I was younger! It was one of the few T.V. shows that my mom would watch, and I liked to watch it with her. She also got me into Xena and Hercules back then. As far as I know, the only show she consistently watches these days is Survivor.

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

@@HistoryVideoGamesMiscStuff yet she did get one of the show's better episodes where she falls in love with another ship avatar who was independent from his ship only for the rest of him to track them down and rommie was forced to kill her new love as he would become a warship Psyco killer with power to waste planets one of the best characters of the show was the shipwith a lot of interresting potential

[@GSBarlev]

​@@VulpisFoxfireHe wasn't great at the time either. He forced out showrunner (and _Trek_ alum) Robert Hewitt Wolfe, which is why the show had a complete and total tone shift after Season 2 (see also: Dylan Hunt becoming Space Hercules to the point of being a _literal_ demigod).

[@MoonjumperReviews]

Another bio-grown ship was the floral-like honeycomb ship grown and operated by a lost insectoid species in the animated series episode “Beyond the Farthest Star.” I consider that ship one of the most fascinating, beautiful, and sadly forgotten discoveries in the Star Trek canon. Yes, I said canon.

[@hamishsewell5990]

The organic technology and ships of the First Ones in Babylon 5 are interesting too

[@zenmaster24]

also the chigs ships in space above and beyond - they were grown

[@johnwclick]

So were the Wraith Hive ships...

[@AJDojutrek]

Exactly, all the First ones were so enigmatic and interesting. Also, the Mimbari White Star class, it was partially organic with the Vorlon Bio-armor being able to adapt and heal over time. As the Vorlon's did have a part in the construction, it would be assumed that more of their bio-technology is inside the ship as well.

[@StarMandoForge]

Wrath Fleet from Stargate Atlantis are grown also

[@hamishsewell5990]

@ oh yes, the Wraith too

[@yodaslovetoy]

"They're all living ships, you just gatta listen to them" - Scotty, probably

[@Tom-v7w]

Love this

[@Dominion69420]

“You treat her like a lady, and she’ll always bring you home”-McCoy.

[@Tom-v7w]

@Dominion69420 love this also

[@Paddyman8869]

I can not do it captain 5 min later its done scotty

[@ericmadsen7470]

Words of Wisom from Capt Montgomery Scott. The miracle worker.

[@Piorum]

I do wonder, with many of the organic ships being so old, perhaps the reason they are so powerful can be less attributed to the nature of being organic and rather has more to do with survival bias.

[@daveh7720]

"Beware an old man in a profession where men usually die young"?

[@armok409]

Why do I imagine you yelling "photoshoooooop!" like kirk did in the wratch of khan when it bugged out on you?

[@GSBarlev]

And why do I have a feeling Adobe will survive into the 25th century as a subsidiary of the Ferengi Exchange?

[@Star_Jewel_Realm]

@@GSBarlev Seriously? 😅😅

[@Cre80s]

"I'm quite convinced that all of this is V'ger. That we’re inside a living machine." -Spock Yeah, that's one that not only should not have been left off, but the top of the list.

[@TheVeritas1]

Truth.

[@vokhev]

I've always seen it the other way around. Not that organic ships a intrinsically more powerful but that mastery of organic technology requires being very advanced so all organic ships we see are from very advances civilisations. These civilisations could probably also make conventional ships much more powerful than what we usually see. Basically, they're not powerful because they're organic, rather, they can be made organic because they're so advanced.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, my condolences about the recording troubles.

[@oathblade]

You didnt mention the 8472 Bioship that decided its maker needed to be repurposed and joined forced with the federation alliance in STO. Thats a fun story.

[@hpgwellscraft]

You're explanation of how the bio circuits contributed to the expansion of the Doctors programming made so much sense to me. I never thought about that. For the longest time the Star Trek Universe was at the top of my list of Universes i would Never want to actually live in. It seems like you can't take a shit in that universe without it coming to life and demanding human rights.

[@EinDose]

That's mainly because we mostly see the Star Trek universe from the perspective of frontier explorers actively seeking out that weird new stuff. Living in the Trek universe would be more like you see in Deep Space Nine, but specifically, like, Quark episodes: pretty normal and pretty chill, but every month or so you meet a new kind of alien that you haven't thought about before and now you've gotta figure out a new form of currency and what they drink at a bar.

[@Kronosfobi]

Star Trek is *the* universe you'd thrive in as a normal human from 2024. Unlike many other Sci-Fi or Fantasy realms, Star Trek Earth is pretty much a paradise that demands nothing but provides everything just because you exist. You can live the rest of your life in bliss at Earth without ever choosing to go outside of your home and nobody would even judge you for it. There is a reason majority of the characters we see are explorers with great ambition. There is little else left for them to be challenged by. In contrast Mass Effect for example is pretty much the exact same world of today's but with space travel.

[@SinTakai]

As a human right I find this offensive

[@hpgwellscraft]

@EinDose @Kronosfobi You guys make a good point about the Starfleet propensity to gravitate towards the new and unusual. "Seek out new life" and what not. 🤔🤔🤔

[@hpgwellscraft]

@@SinTakai I'm sorry I offended you. I guess even human rights deserve...human rights....😂

[@harvest5218]

Don't forget Discovery also use that partially biological spore drive, both the spore and the navigator.

[@Cdr2002]

Very good point

[@firstcynic92]

They stole the drive from another universe.

[@Cdr2002]

@@firstcynic92 they made it based on the properties of the mycelial realm, the drive itself was a Starfleet creation even if one could argue they were stealing spores

[@firstcynic92]

@Cdr2002 Nope. The "creator" of the spore drive was in a transporter accident that left them in an alternate universe where they found and captured the half human/half tardigrade. However the got out of that universe remains a mystery, except that their leaving caused the entire universe to implode. Look up "Tardigrade by Anas Abdin"

[@Cdr2002]

@ oh the guy from the USS Glenn, I misremembered and was thinking of the drive as Stamets’ creation singularly

[@Sigurther]

Would love a Star Trek series utilizing a full on organic, sentient ship like Gomtuu. Even a whole fleet of them. Certainly, a sci-fi niche worth exploring within the Star Trek universe.

[@HellbirdIV]

FarScape has my favourite Living Ship - Moya is both truly alive (she has a mind, biological systems - she even gives birth!) but also mechanical, with lights, internal maintenance robots, a metallic hull etc. It really highlights the alien-ness that's so pivotal for FarScape's atmosphere and themes. It's only so superficially familiar, and so deeply, deeply alien past the surface.

[@johnwishart30]

❤Moya

[@zenguru79]

I would add V'Ger after Decker merges with it.

[@robmckenney666]

seriously. if not sentient than nothing is.

[@perendinatorian]

I just had a Lexx flash back because of this video

[@VulpisFoxfire]

I was going to say...all the comments, and you're the first one I saw referring to the Lexx.

[@GrrrTurtle]

I've edited video and photos for years and I feel your pain. Control and Z... Control and Z... oh the pain.

[@GrrrTurtle]

I always thought of Zora as a digital version of a Trill mind.

[@Cdr2002]

Interesting idea

[@firstcynic92]

You left out the pod ship from the TAS episode "Beyond the Farthest Star". It wasn't specifically stated that it was organic, but it's appearance gave that impression.

[@rdgk1se3019]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you Rick.

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

Bioships being OP is something odd but handwaveable with enough technobabble. Super strong structural integrity fields and sheilds for when they fight where anything sensible gets shredded, etc. The one thing I refuse to give up on about living ships is that they are inefficient by definition they should need energy to stay alive, whatever other benefits might bring. Great video 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Tall_Order]

Regarding this topic, it always draws me to Farscape.

[@TheVeritas1]

Same.

[@Alteringrealitystudios]

Bio-Ships 🤔 I always have reservations about the possible bio odor of its decks and corridors.😅

[@davidalan6701]

All my sympathies. Photoshop merging layers has been the bane of many a sleepless night before a deadline.

[@DoctorX17]

definitely agree with your distinction of Alice being not alive and Zora being alive. Alice seemed to be clever, but still confined to the box of programming -- she couldn't do anything without a pilot, whereas Zora was an independent entity in control of the ship and could do whatever she wanted, basically.

[@Eucep]

Probably not as much a popular version and also maybe a spoiler, but the series is old enough now, Transformers Animated. Where in the last few episodes of the 2nd season it turned out that the crew's ship, was in fact a transformer himself, Omega Supreme who had been dormant.

[@TheVeritas1]

Omega Supreme would definitely rank as a living ship. Heck, there are much smaller Transformers that can turn spacecraft and thus can be labeled as living ships.

[@patecar20]

Organic ships are extremely powerful in Babylon 5 also. The First Ones were all immortal, and all of them used organic ships as their homes. The organic technology has no built in limits to how far it can adapt where as non organic does. That simple fact would make the organic technology much better for beings who live very long. I think the life span of a race also plays a major role in the use of the technology, their ships are the only true companion they will always have, on the lonely road of a almost endless life.

[@Stephen-Fox]

Some more non-Trek example, you alluded to a couple at the end, would be both the Shadow and Vorlon vessels in Babylon 5 - And ships derived from their tech - along with the Liberator in Blake's 7, although the living nature of that ship rarely came up.

[@BrainComm487]

I wonder, would Borg ships count as biomechanical. They do function as though a living organism. I kinda hope Gomtuu has a way of (gently and consensually) expanding Tam Elbrun's life, or he's going to be back to square one in about 50 years' time. I'm still kinda p***ed about how they leave things with Zora. Anyhow, great video as always. Sorry to hear about your photoshop troubles.

[@jedstanaland2897]

Species 8472 has multiple types of their living ships ranging from single person fighters to capital ships. There are also a few specific Species that have entire planets as living ships I know of two of them listed in the books and the Dominion have a category of living ships. One of my favorite living ships from the books is one that is completely constructed of organic thinking metal. I'm not counting the deuterium voyager even though both the crew and ship were one in the same being metallic living deuterium, (I personally think the fallow up episode to the first encounter with the living metallic deuterium is extremely sad.) But that ship made completely from deuterium was technically alive. The organic metallic ship was extremely powerful and extremely adaptable while also being able to essentially make use of any kind of technology it comes across at 90% efficiency or better potentially higher than 100% efficiency because it is/ was a comparison between the original creation and the current version that the organic metallic ship had produced itself.

[@austinm5630]

That living ships tending to be stronger than manufactured ones actually DOES make some sense when you consider that you've got an organic being that is capable of surviving in the vacuum of space and generating a warp field, along with the power required to maintain that warp field. Sure, regular starships have these traits, but organic ships grew them. That indicates that, barring some sort of limiting factor, the same organic ship can continue to grow and develop stronger and stronger capabilities. If an organic ship can grow everything needed to achieve warp 1, then it can also most likely grow everything needed to achieve Transwarp 20 and outpace the Borg. If it can grow a phaser, disruptor, or plasma emitter, then it can likely grow that system to be stronger and stronger until it can punch directly through any ship in existence with a single blast, bypassing the adaptability of the targets' shields. Or it could just develop biological torpedoes that bypass shields anyway. Or perhaps it doesn't even use ranged weaponry. Or doesn't use weapons at all. Maybe it's such a powerful psionic that it can mind control every other organic species in the galaxy. And in these cases and many more, an organic ship has the option to grow ablative parts. Maybe that emitter can only achieve that much power by overloading and burning part of itself away every time it fires. That's not an option for a normal ship, but an organic ship can simply regrow the affected tissue, or it could grow scar tissue in advance that's solely intended to be burnt away when the weapon is fired later. If it's a melee ship, maybe its appendages are intended to cleave into ship hulls and then be shed once it hits structural beams or something else it can't cut through, regrowing the appendage later like a starfish. Again, not an option for something like a Klingon Cleave Ship. If it hits something it can't slice through, it's just stuck. But not an organic ship. In effect, organic ships are more powerful by default, as long as they have the time and nutrients to keep growing and don't encounter hostiles that kill them too soon. Presumably, a large percentage of organic ships don't survive long. They fly too close to a star before they learn stars are hot, they get eaten by a larger organic ship, they catch a space fungus, they get hunted to extinction by the Hirogen, etc. So the rare few that the Federation does encounter are the strongest of their kind.

[@Cheeseb0ng]

0:06 "MERGE THE LAYER KRONK" *Photoshop corrupts file* "WRONG LAYER" "Why do we even have that layer"

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

Can you do a video explaining how Kronos survived the events of the Undiscovered Country when it was supposed to be uninhabitable in 50 years but survived into the next century?

[@bull614]

I honestly never gave it much thought, but now that you said something, I really want to know as well, lol

[@thestanleys3657]

Just a theory the Klingons home/capital world is spelt two different ways kronos & Qo'nos gives the impression they just move from one to the other.

[@marvenlunn6086]

I believe it was uninhabitable in 50 years without the federations help it has been a long time since I watched that movie (watched the clip it was that the Klingons didn't have the resources to deal with it)

[@Cdr2002]

Federation assisted environmental cleanup

[@Searly255]

with the Breen ships it could be that its organic but wrapped in steel like how you armour a horse. The Breen themselves live in there amour so i wouldnt be shocked if they treat a living ship the same way

[@xspager]

I love the Jurai ships in the anime Tenchi Muyo, they grow as trees that become the living core of the starship.

[@christopherg2347]

8:26 It does make sense they are powerful. Because making them requires technology that Starfleet still doesn't have in the 31st century. So anyone that can make them has knowledge far outpacing the Federation. It is like saying "weak for something millenia ahead of us" - which is true, but also still millenia ahead of you.

[@Peregrine57]

One of the first places I recall ever coming across a ship with biological technologies was Seaquest DSV. Seaquest was said to have a kind of living hull, which could 'heal' itself from damage. Which, I'm sure makes for a neat sci-fi concept but I have a hard time imagining that to be any kind of advantage. If the ship is intended to be purely research and exploration, you might get away with it. But if you're constantly getting into actual combat, you're going to want actual armor. Regenerative and playable tissues like skin or hide are soft and susceptible to injury and infection, leaving you with an open wound. Even when it does 'heal' it doesn't heal rapidly, and often needs assistance like sutures or bandages, and sometimes antiseptic treatments to fend off infection. And it often leaves scars. And something hard like a shell doesn't heal easily like soft tissue. More likely the ship would need to put into port so it can 'molt' and grow a new shell. which puts that ship out of commission for a time. Neat idea, but doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. At least not for a battleship.

[@stevieturner9338]

Thank you Rick

[@Lesserthannone]

Are you snooping my Google history? 😂 I've been in love with Lexx and Farscape because of the mind itch caused by this concept My own scifi book series is all about sapience in all sorts of locations Fyi although your use of sentience is the universally accepted meaning and communicated the point perfectly.... sapience is the correct word, sapio is wisdom, sent is sense. Being aware is a low bar for conciseness 😊

[@XanderKHD]

"The Yuuzhan Vong approves this video. Your planet will be spared."

[@TheVeritas1]

I was just about to bring up the Vong.

[@moonkey2712]

I'm surprised that you didn't give an honorable mention to the Borg. The drones are definitely incorporated into their ships so much that you could say they are part of the ship. Therefore the ship has biological components.

[@ericmadsen7470]

Merry Christmas Certifiably Ingame.

[@kitfo18]

The bioships I always felt where grown but grown with the pilots DNA in them. Like that is what allowed the link with the pilot as it was lik another arm almost.

[@jasonchildress4950]

Thanks again CI, always makes me feel at home being around others with certain shall we say... Hobbies?

[@TheVeritas1]

Rick, This was an excellent video. I'd never considered the Star Jellies living ships, but the evidence confirms this. I just thought of a couple more examples to add to the list of non-Trek living ships: Cylon Basestars and Raiders from Battestar Galactica.

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

Technically, the Texas Class automated ship is alive. Not organic unless it had bio-nueral circuitry but it was self aware and malevolent.

[@TheVeritas1]

Good example.

[@thestanleys3657]

"it's alive! its alive!!!" 🤯

[@Cdr2002]

Great thumbnail

[@Twist-The-Friendly-Hunter]

Regarding the Undine bio ships, In star trek online there is a ship that is full sentient called "dreadnought" I think It acts independently than its pilot and even captures its pilot after tuvok mind melds with it.

[@Rorschachqp]

Organic bioship concept is 40 years old. In 1986, the Outlanders manga came out in Japan and the space empire’s ships were all bioships. The Macross movie from 1984 was also the same.

[@nabma6528]

The last thing you need is your ship realizing it no longer needs you.

[@motoed6445]

You can’t have a video about living ships in Star Trek without mentioning V’Ger

[@TheVeritas1]

You're not along in mentioning V'ger.

[@jacara1981]

By the time you get to a level of technology to grow a living interstellar ship, you likely have the whole aging problem solved for the ship and yourself.

[@DeathLands]

On the point of having the ship as a member of the crew. The sci-fi series andromeda did this for the majority of its run.

[@bull614]

@@DeathLands babylon 5 also had the shadows and Vorlon ships as organic sentient ships. Most people forget about these shows 😔

[@DeathLands]

@bull614 love that series for the fighter design

[@GSBarlev]

​@@DeathLandsLoved the Star Furies. _Babylon 5_ was designing ships for real-world space physics a decade before _BSG_ and two before _The Expanse._

[@DeathLands]

@@GSBarlev indeed. I am well aware and the IRL physics found in both Babylon 5 and the expanse is what I am always looking for in entertainment.

[@djashovel]

yuuzhan vong: It's good to finally meet Species with common sense and i believe this conversation. We'll be beneficial for all of Us star trek 8472: Agreed babylon 5 shadows: Agreed stargate the wraith: Agreed.

[@josiahzabel8596]

The Vong would happily try and destroy the others... Their organic tech is a function of their genocidal religious fanaticism

[@tba113]

Starship Troopers Arachnids: Agreed 40K Tyranids and StarCraft Zerg: Agreed [point at each other] ...Hey, wait, you look familiar

[@wpeniche]

You left out Lexx you uncultured swine!!

[@ikrIkarus]

I think the reason why they are better ships, is for one the fact they are a lifeform that can thrive in space in the first place (which is quite the feat on its own, giving it unique abilities and resilience) and the other reason is probably, that to make such a ship, you need quite advanced technology, wich means your tech is better than that of anyone else around, so you make the better ship. Basically, if you are able to make a biological ship, it pretty much has to be the best option, because otherwise you would use that advanced technology of yours to make an even better conventional ship.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

The whole living ship thing seems to be an inherent way of doing things for the species that use them. It's not like they made metal ships then one day started making more advanced ships that were organic. Their entire technology tree is based upon organic technology from the start. That doesn't mean its better, just different.

[@Star_Jewel_Realm]

We know where these bio-ships come from. They are spin offs from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda and Earth: Final Conflict. These series had references to Star Trek. Check them out. 😎

[@chase2806]

But starships are crewmembers. You can't get anything done without them.

[@Eviltot]

Technically, Sovereign was a sentient ship from Mass Effect.

[@TheVeritas1]

You're correct. Sovereign and the other Reapers are living ships and very terrifying ones at that.

[@lunasmokezim1718]

The only living ship i have ever seen done correctly in science fiction is Moya from Farscape. The give birth, bond with a pilot and they die.

[@ilpoomatili9549]

I didn't remember Gontuu meaning to attempt self termination. Maybe that's where the rest of its kind disappeared

[@RamielNagisa]

The comment about making the ship part of the crew reminded me of a trek fic I found a while back, called Paint and Powder, where Starfleet had AI which integrated into the ship and acted as part of the crew. The hull both was and wasn't their body.

[@noahbody9875]

Lexx had a living ship that was the most powerful in the two universes.

[@rickglenn3080]

The hive ships from Stargate have to regenerate their hulls which could imply they are grown.

[@GlacierMF5]

The VinShari from Star Trek Adventires ttrpg, integrate creatures known as the Ha’Kiv, in all parts of their ships.

[@Shatterverse]

Too bad this is only in Trek, since Farscape has the Leviathans, the archetypical living ships in sci-fi.

[@UndyingZombie]

There is a few more but not much more ( relatively speaking ) when you consider Starfleet Battles, something that at least for a while was considered cannon by the creator of Star Trek. ( The shows have barely a sliver of what is out there basically and that game shows it. ) But I noticed some of the stuff you included and know that cannon does not really matter as much for you so there is a LOT more you could probably add to this than what you would otherwise. Side note KZbin seems to think this is Star Trek Online... lol

[@MarvelX42]

Not even a mention of the "pod ship" from the Star Trek: The Animated Series episode "Beyond the Farthest Star"?

[@mikeashfield871]

I always hoped we'd get a canon check-in with Gomtu and we'd find out that it had found community with the Space Jelly/Farpoint aliens, or had decided to become a shepherd of cosmozoans, like Junior.

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

Organic ships are a very fascinating concept for me and with that one stellaris DLC i even made a concept of a civilisation achiving spaceflight and FTL by bonding with a species of space dragons, upon which they build their quarters for travel and combat but the space dragon themself are the pilot, ship and engine. and the space farers upon that space dragon are technologically WAAY behind any other species too think like still using a thompson as your most advanced weapon of choice in the post Dominion war era outdated but they have spaceflight and ftl

[@mattwallace4458]

You didn't talk about how the heralds or the male of their species for the iconians turn to ships

[@DanielMWJ]

9:20 It's probably because inferior living ships just aren't widely used. You have to get REALLY advanced to do this, where you're controlling things with distributed systems right down to the micro-scale with various forms of nanotech... Which organic life already is.

[@theMightywooosh]

Farscape has entered the chat

[@Cdr2002]

I would be completely satisfied with Discovery’s finale if they didn’t send off poor Zora like that

[@spencer1980]

I think it's a skill tree thing. If you grow up in the "fluidic" universe as the 8472 did, or just understand biology well enough to grow ships, you've passed a threshold. If you can do that, you've unlocked perks other civilizations wouldnt have. Yeah sure, cool steel swords. Do you have guns? Yeah sure, you can encrypt shit. Do you have AI? Yeah sure you can travel at warp, can you grow an organism that can do that? If you can, you've probably reached a new peak.

[@anarchyantz1564]

Aren't the Borg vessels technically fitting into this criteria?

[@ObsidianQuasar]

While yes typically metals beat organic, I would assume any organic vessel that would be created and chosen for space travel and combat would have to be engineered so robust and powerful that it outclassed inorganic vessels. If your bio ship is ‘as good’ as constructed ships, why bother then? Advantages are easy to see: healing damage, breeding rather than constructing, reflexive responses to attacks. But again if it’s only as strong as other man made ships, it’s not worth it probably. However if you can create the Superman or Hulk of bio ships with limitless genetic manipulation, that would be why we see so few examples and all very strong. In nature it’s survival of the fittest after all.

[@J-_-]

Another really cool living ship in another series is Moya from Farscape.

[@StarFleet_Tech1701]

Yeah, but that’s NOT STAR TREK

[@ThisisDD]

I would love to see a revisit to Tam at some point. Maybe far future?

[@SeventhSwell]

I wonder if V'ger counts as a living ship.

[@billlyell8322]

If a computer was actually sentient and self-aware, it would be a silicon life form. However, anyone able to create a sentiment ai could also create a non sentiment ai that so closely mimic life it would be impossible to tell the difference.

[@trekker105]

7:21 Am I misremembering, or didn't we see a star-jellies nursery in PIC S3?

[@chrisjohnson1146]

It was something else. The nursery was itself a lifeform apparently. Its just that the offspring happened to look a bit like squid.

[@dupersuper1938]

Wasn't the ship in Beyond the Farthest Star organic?

[@sw-gs]

I still think that Gomtuu and Doomsday Machine were made by the same ancient species.

[@gkelly34]

Tin man ❤️

[@tiagopatricio3805]

How does th living ships in Star Trek compare to Farscape's ones and to the Andromeda Ascendant????

[@TheVeritas1]

Great question.

[@ptonpc]

"Get this Cheese to Sickbay!"

[@terrybrady1644]

I think ufo stuff is like this .😊

[@ManicPandaz]

It does make thematic sense in Trek that biological ships are more powerful, not backwards. The basic assumption is that the technology to grow a biological ship seem so far advanced(different) than current Trek it would only make sense it’s more powerful. Especially since biological ships are so rare. But thematically, Trek has always been biological centric bordering of supremacy. Machines are always limited in Trek while biological organisms seem to be able to transcend their limits. That is exactly what happened to Veger. It was the most powerful mechanical thing that existed but it was still limited because it was only mechanical. It needed human/biological component to transcend its limitations. Same with Data’s search for humanity implies being an android is limiting… or bordering on insanity. Which is the other problem AI in trek, a habit for psychological instability. Like with M-5 going crazy and needing a human component from Daystrom’s emotional state to overcome its initial misunderstanding(limitations) and grow as a being by realizing what it had done was wrong. Even the Borg is both a cautionary tale of letting machines to rule over organics but the fact that the Federation keeps beating them suggests that the Borg are also limited in their potential. The main theme that makes the idea that biological ships are best is because machines are canonically limited while organics are transcendent. Once again… in Star Trek is all about human/biological supremacy.

[@houselemuellan8756]

Zora's faith feels so fucking random and mean. Like that sounds like a character arc for a completely different character, and there doesn't seem to be any setup justifying it outside of tying it in with this random short film they made ages ago

[@Arthurglue]

On the subject of finding it odd that organic ships are depicted as better, consider this: So far, the biotech of the federation and its contemporaries is inferior (in most aspects) to their mechanical options. So if an alien civilization is advanced enough that their biotech is better than their other options, they’re probably already ahead of the federation’s tech level overall.

[@Shakes_The_Clone]

I named my car Rick. Just now.

[@shmee123ful]

part of the ship part of the crew

[@PatshraygKawlinse-o4b]

1:10 Maybe ðe breen ship is like ðe ðeir own suits!

[@robmckenney666]

what about the cytoplasmic ship from voyager nothing human.

[@grahamturner1290]

🖖

[@feralprocessor9853]

I think therefore I am.

[@jameshead9119]

Just wondering if the jelly’s were made by the engineers that stratrek pinched from Larry Niven’s known space universe that appeared in the cartoon startrek series after the original ended as their tech was largely bio based no nature that included trees that ere solid fuel rockets flowers that could act as layers as well as organic computers that looked like giant slugs as well as their ultimate weapon the Pak that could turn into super soldiers when Fed a plant they called the tree of life who eventually turned into us

[@williamreffner6542]

You don't have to mention STD any more it's officially been D canonized