One tragic detail about the Star Trek Lower Decks intro

[@namkha209]

You also forgot that those seasons used to be 21 episodes each. Modern Trek season barely has 10

[@guardianofthebrick6491]

26

[@doubt3430]

Still amazed a lot of those shows made it as far as they did Last I checked a majority of voyager actors hated eachother for one reason or the other and somehow they made it 7 seasons

[@mardus_ee]

People have more time to rest, because workers have rights

[@Erin_J_]

@@mardus_ee 10 episode series are way worse for workers, they don’t get paid nearly as much, it’s 1000% a cost-saving thing

[@mardus_ee]

@@Erin_J_ On balance, ten episodes looks much better wrt the time the writers, directors, actors, and production crew would have to spend for each 24-hour period. The previous 22- or 26-episode treadmill can be very taxing. For example, Nana Visitor was in labor, but had to be on set up until the very last moment. Armin Shimerman's call time was 04:00. Besides, animation takes longer to complete.

[@joedellinger9437]

I joined Paramount+ just for lower decks… and may drop it again now that it’s over.

[@JohnVance]

Yeah, I dropped mine right after the last episode. I'll sign back up for SNW whenever it starts back.

[@cashcleaner]

You may like Tulsa King. I watch that as well as Lower Decks

[@ryanbarker2824]

Same

[@tonydagostino6158]

Gonna miss the Lower Deckers a lot. The crossover with SNW is in my top five ST episodes across all series.

[@byranwitherspoon5369]

Agreed

[@288theabe]

Yesterday's Enterprise is my all-time favourite, and the SNW crossover episode is such a close second for me!

[@byranwitherspoon5369]

@@288theabe when mariner was talking about hot young spock 😂😂😂😂

[@NomenLuni1975]

My favourite will always be the Mistress Of The Winter Constellations herself. She's utterly adorable, and is a total badass when it's called for.

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

She just loves science SO MUCH.

[@jocax188723]

Tendi squeeing on the beach never fails to make me smile.

[@Hjered_of_Reno]

I ended up changing my mind on ST:LD. At first, I thought it wasn't good but I was going to give it a chance. I ended up loving it and I'm sorry to see it end.

[@Ron-gm3zj]

It's such a love letter to Star Trek. So many frames had so many Easter eggs. It is a great show.

[@CJ-442]

Boimler’s probably my favorite Lower Decker. He’s consistently the funniest to watch, and Jack Quaid’s “Boimler Scream” will never not make me laugh. The one where he skied off the Paramount mountain made me laugh so hard, I had to pause the video just to get ahold of myself and make sure I didn’t miss anything.

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

Love Boimler. He has a vineyard too! All the best Starfleet officers have vineyards.

[@JimmyCerra]

The references weren't random either! Season 2 added the Pakled Clumpship introduced in Season 1. Season 3 added the Crystalline Entity that was introduced to LD in Season 2. Season 4 added the Whale Probe, and Cetacean Ops was first seen in Season 3. (Whales are cetaceans.) Season 5 was an anomaly, but the Hand of Apollo could have been referencing Ensign Olly, who is Apollo's (half?) sister. That means hypothetical Seasons 6 and 7 could have had some references to the Tholians and V'Ger too!

[@christopherg2347]

I think that Hand was a Olly/Apollo reference

[@TheFlamingMantra]

Ensign Olly is a descendant of Apollo as mentioned in S5E6

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

We can make connections for the other two! I believe! The Tholian Web brought the USS Defiant to the mirror universe, and season five was all about rifts to other universes. And V'ger appeared to destroy ships but was actually stealing them, just like the villain for season four! Nailed it.

[@PsyKosh]

@@TheFlamingMantra She's a descendent of Zeus, rather than Apollo, I believe. That's why she's got thunderbolt powers. (Specifically using the term "thunderbolt" rather than "lighting" or "electric" because of the "thunderbolt objects" her powers manifest as)

[@andywellsglobaldomination]

Erm, Rutherford *did* carve V'Ger into his pumpkin...

[@Talashaoriginal]

😢 Lowerdecks Lowerdecks Lowerdecks!

[@Trueflights]

The likely next step would be to make a DS9 type Lower Decks show and make use of what they set up in that final season. They said Lower Decks was ending, but nothing stops them from making a new show in the same universe.

[@MatthewJamesKalasky]

I give my love to Mariner. Attractive, edgy-yet-kind, has a nice sense of humor, and she (arguably) has the best growth and development. Something I find VERY touching about her is the fact that she got her PTSD-triggering promotion for inspiring Boimler to be his best, and, basically went on to do the same thing with Tendi and T'Lyn in Something Borrowed, Something Green and Empathological Fallacies ANYWAY.

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

Mariner is one of the rare Star Trek leads that starts the series very flawed, and changes gradually over time. Tawny Newsome plays it perfectly.

[@zenmaster24]

does it count when they are half seasons (10 episodes) when compared to their counterparts of 20+ episodes per season?

[@RemySchrader]

“Let’s go the full seven” is my new pick-up line

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

“Encounter at Farpoint to All Good Things, if you know what I mean.”

[@AussieGriffin]

That's hot. -,o A.G.

[@o.k.productions5202]

Favourite of the main cast is Tendi, I enjoy typically passive characters that can go total badass when needed.

[@knytrydr73]

Lower Decks had some of the best character development of all current day Trek shows.

[@mc-zy7ju]

In the 90's you needed to get to 5 seasons to get syndicated so reruns could be sold on other networks. So it was a milestone, its different now with streaming.

[@andrecanis4894]

Although I think that depended more on the number of episodes than seasons. 5 seasons gave you about 100 episodes for syndication, with today’s shorter seasons that could take 10 seasons or more.

[@gregnulik1975]

I imagine if lower decks made it the full seven seasons , the seventh season intro would probably be Q breaking in during it with a referee jersey and whistle , ''Whoa whoa whoa , time out everyone!!! If this keeps up , we'll go white screen , and you Know how Picard hates white screen...'' Maybe the regular intro Q would just throw up his hands and walk off screen , realizing resistance is futile... :)

[@LabyrinthMike]

The issue, as I understand it, is that the contracts for the actors were 7 seasons and now it is 5. If a successful show wants to go past this limit, it will become more expensive, so the networks just cut it off at the contract renewal. And this makes sense. If you end a series before that, you have to pay the actors a severance. So, if you renew the contracts for another 5 seasons and then decide to cancel early, the studio will be on the hook for that severance again. It's just better to go out on top.

[@M.J.Conway]

What disappointed me was that they set up this great subplot for Rutherford and his implants. They was this secret behind them, possibly a conspiracy, that would have been really big and exciting, and they just dropped it and wiped it out (not going to spoil how). I was really looking forward to that story playing out. And of course it's Tendi. She's smart, she's pretty, she blends this cute naiveté with being a badass Orion with mad combat skills, and with great optimism.

[@1978rharris]

Have I missed something, or have you? Rutherford a prosthetics were part of Admiral Buenamigo’s plans from season 4. That was covered

[@M.J.Conway]

@1978rharris it's entirely possible that I missed it. I thought there was more to it.

[@M.J.Conway]

@@1978rharris I went to the wikis and looked it up, and it looks like I missed it. Gonna have to rewatch. Thanks for pointing that out. I guess that episode dropped when I was playing chula. Too much allamaraine...

[@1978rharris]

@ next shap, my friend! 😂

[@cashcleaner]

That’s a really good catch!

[@JohnVance]

Oh wow, I never would have considered that but you're totally right.

[@constc6721]

Damn that's so sad i had hoped so much for 7 Seasons. Why cancel the most cheap to produce asset with lots of views early? It's like killing the the golden egg laying goose because you want to make money with the feathers and flesh ignoring the golden egg laying thing entirely.🙈🙉🙊

[@aperson22222]

Unless there's a Prodigy Season 3 (and I've seen no indication there will be) 2024 contained three series finales.

[@andrewtaylor940]

There was a reason for the 7 season runs of the TNG era shows. Syndication. Before the days of streaming and video on demand, the long term value in tv shows was whether or not they could be sold into syndication. Ideally daily syndication. To be sold into syndication you needed a minimum of 3 seasons. Roughly 70+ episodes. With the larger the catalog of episodes the greater the chances of selling it, and the more lucrative the syndication profits would be. So once you hit the syndication threshold, your show will be profitable. And each additional season you make will add to that. To a point. There is or was a point where the production costs of another season vs the syndication returns of that additional season usually invert. This was typically around season 8 for an expensive hour long show like Trek. Streaming economics are entirely different. Seasons are at best 8-12 episodes. And most audiences will rarely binge watch past 40 episodes. So later seasons just become an unwatched graveyard on a streaming service (exceptions do apply)

[@Sylvie_without_surname]

OK, Tendi is amazing, but I really relate to Mariner. Her arc is very well realized and she and I have had to grow in some similar ways over the last five years

[@MoonjumperReviews]

They obviously introduced the Olympian god girl for something down the road. I suspected that’s a storyline that never came to fruition. We were probably going to find out what Apollo and the other Greek gods were up to lately.

[@twelvefootnine]

Technically, the *standard* has always been 5 seasons. Back in the day, that was the goalpost for a series to earn syndication. The fact that multiple Star Trek shows exceeded that standard was evidence of their popularity and profitability. Their success did not raise the bar to a new standard.

[@tellybuster]

The BGM… now I want a Lower Decks mod for Armada 2 😂

[@davyman2000]

This could be easily just a mistake, but I noticed on amazon prime's Paramount+ it lists episode 10 as the season Finale, not series finale

[@marks47]

Is that the music from Star Trek Armada 2?

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

Yes it is! I usually use Star Trek video game soundtracks in my videos. This one has Armada 2 and the music from the DS9 table on Pinball FX.

[@BobSperber]

WHATABOUTs: The Panda? The nacelle-sucking slug?

[@jhmcd2]

I saw an article, I believe it was in the Hollywood Reporter, but I would admit I doubt that was the source. DISCO flopped and it cost the studio millions. Apparently Paramount wanted to cut it after 2 seasons but were convinced to string it along because CBS needed a flagship show (and this was right before Yellowstone became that show). What this has to do with Lower Decks, because Lower Decks was an unmitigated success and it was surmised (as there are no official ratings for streaming) it was doing better than DISCO. So apparently when they finally pulled the plug on DISCO, Kurtzman, who apparently hated Lower Decks, pulled the plug on it out of spite. Again, I forget the source it was probably close to 2 years ago I saw this.

[@brianpimental1668]

My main wish about Lower Decks was no more episodes with moospy

[@terminallygray]

And no more episodes with Peanut Hamper too damnit.

[@VigilanteJustin]

The background music is from Star Trek Armada. fyi.

[@omnipotent_arcanis]

I think my favourite has to go to Cerritos. May not have been the newest, the fastest, the most pretty or the strongest but it sure as hell is home to be the best crew in Starfleet. Cerritos strong!

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

Favorite lower decker? Tailor-Ensign the Kzinti.

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

I've seen him in the background but didn't know he had a name. I love all the Animated Series aliens they brought back for Lower Decks!

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

@@AllTrekIsGoodTrek The humans call him Ensign Taylor, but I am convinced they dont understand Kzinti naming schemes.The great thing is I'm blaming the characters for misunderstanding, not the show runners for failing to take it into account.

[@andywellsglobaldomination]

I've seen the end... and LOWER DECKS is done... and well done! That being said, I still want to see these characters in a follow-on show... But the arc of this particular generation is done.

[@davelansing4838]

It’s not an indicator of anything. They just added a bunch of cool stuff for the last season.

[@Wendisoph]

This broke my heart I need s6&7 😭 the final ep was good but not nearly as good as ep9 im so sad it over

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

Well according to Mike Macmahan, he was interviewed back in 2023 when he voiced concerns the show would get canceled unless it got more views, and he urged fans to keep watching the show. Now, fast forward a year and I guess the viewership never went up.

[@joedellinger9437]

Where is Vger? I can’t find it…

[@OptimusWombat]

Starting at 1:52 you see a blue luminous cloud appearing in the left background.

[@sykeassai]

I still can't see V-Ger in the battle no matter how much people tell me it's there

[@douglasfugate1755]

Maybe going out on a high note is better than padding additional seasons to hit an aribtrary seven season goalline. Older television shows tried to go for seven based on the old syndication rules for the big three television producers of the era (abc, cbs and nbc for those in the crowd who aren't pre-email/rotary phone era). When other networks begain to crowd in along with streaming, syndication could be profitable with fewer seasons. Its a numbers game, not a quality game.

[@andywellsglobaldomination]

True dat. Some of the low-budget eppies were cranked out to fulfil contract obligations. And all shows, with that kind of pressure, are going to start repeating themselves.

[@whiplashfatigue1430]

Another intro progression….is it just me or is the alien bug nursing on the warp nacelle getting larger each season?

[@aperson22222]

I loved the simplicity of warbirds versus cubes and really got annoyed by the addition of all this new shit. It screamed shark-jumping to me.

[@krane15]

Never missed a Star Trek until they started charging for them. Meaning I haven't seen a single full episode of any spin-off since Voyager was cancelled. I guess its not too bad if its delivered without commercials. But all these stand-alone subscriptions e.g. Paramount, Cinemax, Disney, etc. can send you to the poor house. You'd end up watching the shows from an abandoned warehouse over pirated cable.

[@Byron-Hungerford]

Your outro is sick is that the 25 anniversary game?

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

Yes! I grew up with that game on PC. That bridge scene is etched into my brain forever.

[@Byron-Hungerford]

@ I tried it a couple of months ago I sucked haha

[@tigerlilly4712]

Well everyone producing it said they are raring to go for more. It was the higher ups in Paramount who cancelled it.

[@mikemcreynolds4842]

Forget Prodigy..."Lower Decks Season 6 Lower Decks Season 6"

[@Alverant]

Five seasons is still a good run. I think that's been a standard for a series for a while (unless it really takes off).

[@hippiehillape]

Lower Decks is a far better show than Discovery.

[@oncinaust5178]

5 seasons for lower decks feels really short....but 5 seasons of disco feels REALLY long especially seasons 1-3.

[@DD8842]

Beckett and Bradword

[@EnterpriseKnight]

I feel like you deserve a sub. here, I subbed.

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

Thank you!

[@briancastro7758]

Since we're talking about that part of the intro - it always bothered me the ships barely move. Seems so lazy for something we will watch over and over. I went into this show VERY skeptical. First reason I was very "meh" on, but I've grown to really enjoy it as the show went on

[@davidsmith5523]

Louder Decks had it's fans. IDIC of course taught me to accept it and them. Just as many Star Trek fans supported the option to enjoy Discovery and Strange New Worlds. Who those angry, bitter and intolerant people were is of course a mystery. You know, the hatred filled troll people from outside Star Trek. No idea. Some say Doctor Who fans or very disgruntled Firefly devotees? Who can say?

[@petertrudelljr]

LO-WER DECKS!

[@FramerateMadness]

PRODIGY SEASON THREE

[@288theabe]

I'm not a fan of these 10-episode, 5-season series. It may work for some shows, but if you're doing Star Trek, I'd prefer either a 24-episode 5-season series, or a 10-episode 7-season series.

[@Interitus1]

Lower Decks is easiest the cheapest to produce. And they actually go out of their way to filling in plot holes. unlike STD which had no respect for literally any portion of star trek.

[@beeslikesteve]

It’s a shame. Paramount had an actual good modern Star Trek show and they letting it go. And instead giving us a section 31 movie? Bro cartoons are so cheap to make.

[@draconis3606]

Better just 5 seasons with only 10 episodes each than 7 with over 20 per season. I remember a lot epsiodes within every series which had kinda bad stories. Top was Voyager which copied a plot 1:1 from TNG in an episode.

[@Tallacus]

Discovery was a downright abomination, it was Lower Decks thet actually was the closes to the Star Trek of the 90's not only that they had characters you could actually root for.

[@_Barfussboy_]

#MoreStarTrekLowerDecks

[@sasamichan]

things that would make me happy if it happen ed in the future Prodigy and Lower Deks crossover in a two part episode where one part was 2D and the other part was CGI TNG, DS9, Voy crossover Chris Pine gets a virus that turns him in to William Shatner A Naomi Wildman , Marissa Flores, Molly O'Brien, Timothy team up episode a Patrick Stewart movie that turns in to a HoloDeck movie half way threw the story follow up on any of the great one-off characters A crew of all AI charters The borg fight that one thing even they can't defeat a tribute to all the Trek actors who dies by continuing the stories of all there charters threw animation and giving them happy or at least satisfying endings a HoloDeck episode set in a 20th century franchise world a more grounded slice of life story set on a planet evil clones team up multiverse adventure the children and grand children of every one adventure if we get any of those I'll be happy

[@RionE23]

In the 90s a season was at least 20 episodes.. now it’s just 10 episodes

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

I prefer a beardless Bradward Boimler.

[@slighter]

I’m more of a William Boiler guy myself.

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

@@slighter 😊 Looks like auto correct struck again.

[@slighter]

@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain haha, you’re right 😃

[@AllTrekIsGoodTrek]

A bold take for a bold Boimler.

[@999benhonda]

Lol, nutrek's 5 season shows have similar episode numbers to just 3 seasons of legacy trek. 20+ episodes per season! Nutrek is embarrassing. I did enjoy some of LD, it is the only nutrek show to have an episode format, the only one to developer all characters little by little and the only one to lovingly recall aspects of legacy trek shows...it had member berries that didn't shit on the past, nor create continuity problems. That said, it's an animated comedy show and not tng, ds9, voy or even ste. It shines when compared to the sewage that is std, stp and snw but it could never match legacy trek. 5 seasons of it was plenty. Most likely, paramount is going to look at the lack of viewers and conclude that the fans are oversaturated, so a new trek show isn't the answer. Personally, I'm waiting for paramount to let other services have tng, ds9 and voy...that way i can stop paying for their crappy streaming service.

[@hawkstringfellow]

Lower decks sucks 😂😂

[@virag1132]

5 'seasons' of this dumb 20 minute show adds up to one season of syndicated tv

[@robertmandl9326]

Lower Decks wasn´t worth the 5 seasons it got. Good thing this is finally over. Good riddance.