The Main Problem with The Changeling and his Battle Design

The Changeling is a really fun and interesting character in theory, but has one Main Problem in terms of battle design that prevents him from being interesting or fun to play in practice. Let's discuss The Changeling, the new Legendary Lord in the Shadows of Change DLC for Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires.
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[@arkorbravos7686]

isn't it ironic that the trickster of Tzeench, who can turn into any character in the warhammer setting, is been mainly transformed into a champion of Nurgle? Some meta humor from Tzeench to the Trickster i reckon

[@sirunklydunk8861]

I think Turin had a good idea with the Changeling in multiplayer. Make him like 500 base kit, then add on the cost of whoever you transform into (including mount options) That way he's usable but there's a bit of a tax for using him to put another Legendary Lord in your army

[@captainroyy21]

this needs to happen tbh they can't cheap out on the changeling

[@PetrucciIbiza]

​@@captainroyy21yeah exactly I came to about the same conclusion. And make him being able to pick items and abilities mounts like other characters can

[@gruuts1844]

I think that could be dangerous for MP tho, because Tz would instantly get a huge variety in lord options playing into a build roulette. Especially considering you already have to account for SG kite tzeentch and vortex beast blob tz.

[@sirunklydunk8861]

@@gruuts1844 I think it will be balanced out by the fact that you will be paying more than what the faction the Lord is originally from would pay to get them, and if they're a spellcaster you still can't cut spells you don't need to make them cheaper

[@hoopyfrood7887]

And if it's a problem at 500 they can always just tweak the base cost to account.

[@KingOfMadCows]

If the Changeling can shapeshift into Kugath riding on a throne being carried by a bunch of Nurglings, there's no reason why he can't shift into forms with mounts.

[@legionerer]

I agree! Don't know about the items, but he totally can transform into mounts, why not?!

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

The sadist in me hopes that CA 'fixes' this by taking away Changeling-Kugath's throne. making him completely immobile, just stuck flailing about on the ground.

[@billl2903]

Oh daaaamn you said it lol

[@robosoldier11]

I'm just gonna play devils advocate here. isn't Kugath with his nurglings one model (tho the nurglings themselves I guess are also seperate models in themselves?)? While a mounted character would be 2? Idk I don't think that make that whole lot of technical problem but was just curious if it might.

[@liamcullen3035]

@@robosoldier11 I think the main reason is actually meant to be narrative, not related to models. CA reasons that he can't change into multiple creatures, so mounts are out. But some characters, like Ku'Gath, always have multiple creatures as part of their model. Instead of preventing you from transforming into Ku'Gath, they just hand wave it and let you turn into him anyway. I agree that it will make for better gameplay if they just allow you to turn into characters' mounts. The trick is justifying it from a lore perspective.

[@monged4life442]

My solution would be timed changes. He can be skarbrand... But only for 3 minutes or something. Split the lord's into 4 tiers, you can only morph into 1 lord from each tier in a battle, each on a timer. That opens up the whole roster if split effectively.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

thats an interesting idea!

[@evanlogan3595]

That would be good, add in mounts and I think it could be good.

[@Elusivearth]

Maybe add into it a randomized load out for each hero as it cycles through

[@chrisallum5111]

3 minute tiered randomised Lords would make for a crazy and entertaining experience. Make him cost half in that case.

[@MrTheevilmage]

Nah thats a crap idea

[@theburdenofknowledge9431]

Changeling should *NEVER* get items or mounts. That's the point of the Changeling- he's a doppleganger with two health bars who could become your worst nightmare, but he loses out to fighting the original when they have insane magical items that he can't duplicate. With that said, I 100% agree that the Changeling's price point should be set to whatever LL you chose, without their magical items. It makes the most sense, and is spooky at a tactical and strategic level, without needing too much balancing, because the copied LL has ostensibly been balanced already. Even then, it'd probably be too powerful, but most lords/heroes *are* worth more than their cost, and the main benefit the Changeling would have in an army comp. would be the inability for opponents to plan for and bring hard counters.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

For MP yeah I don't think he should get items our mounts, but for campaign I think it would be cool if he could get generic mounts and (some) items by defeating whatever faction.

[@ApsisApocynthion]

It's also funny thar he's transformed into Kugath AND his nurgling mount, but Karl Franz can't even get a horse.

[@TheghostofTimmy]

He can be Chariot Grom and Mother Stinky's cart and cauldron, too. Anyone that can't be unmounted gets their mount.

[@Son_of_Mandalore]

It might be an interesting turn for the Changeling to be able to turn into the Lord that you are fighting against and either cause morale issues or some kind of confusion or de-buff for enemy troops when they don't know which Lord to follow or to rally to...? A simple change with simple effects that is also not too difficult to implement in code. **for multiplayer mode

[@drywall7398]

"Feel like a 25 dollar Lord" What a time to be alive.

[@Shad0wthr0ne]

You ought to be able to customize your transformation pre-battle just like you would any lord's base kit. Mounts, spells, items. And whatever you choose should then influence his cost to field.

[@epilegein-ludovic6275]

A nice way to implement the transformation would be to have a bar that fills (like for demons ability) with differents levels associated with a list of lords, split by tiers. When the bar arrive at a level, you have the possibility to transform in a lord of the category. You can take it immediatly (the bar restart) or wait for the next level. If you take a lord of the second tiers, the bar come back to the first tiers. Each of those lords available change every 20/30 seconds (like the ability for demons of cahos is arbitrary, but there it change). When you're transformed, you can select an other lord available if the condition are present (bar fill minimum at the first level and 30 seconde after your current transformation). This bar can fill over time or with the number/% of deads. For the price, i don't know. A high price would be correct but not as expensive as he is. beacuase with this mecanic it's a gamble that can pay... or not. And of course each lors as access to all the ability+items. I hope it make sense.

[@1337-Nathaniel]

I like this idea. To balance it the bars should not increase too fast and the starting form (base changeling) should be relatively vunerable. This incentivises changing early to negate base weaknesses and makes it very risky to just wait to fill the bars to max and change into Kugath regardless. Maybe the bars fill slightly faster after every change too. So you're not punished for transforming asap.

[@maxpower3990]

Another change that would affect the campaign map would be that when you change into another form that Lord gets all the blame from your actions. Battles, raiding or hero action will lower the diplomatic relationship between the factions. Or make 2 factions like each other by changing into 2 and attacking another’s enemy. This would allow you to roleplay as the Changeling as you manipulate all the other factions

[@jamesespinosa690]

I really think the Changling should have been a legendary hero who has a ton of unique abilities and quest and what not. He doesn't make sense as a lord imo. The invisible armies feel kind of forced.

[@DJDownes100]

wait this isn’t a feature? i’m behind on stuff and i just assumed this was how it worked lmao. god they’ve fucked this so hard

[@techelitesareadisease8816]

@@jamesespinosa690 Yeah, he ought to have been like Gorduz - a very unique hero available to all TZ factions.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

That wouldn't really make any sense. I don't think anyone is going to be fooled by Karl Franz walking around with a bunch of chosen or daemons or whatever.

[@jamesespinosa690]

@@ninetailedfox579121 It works as a legendary hero!!

[@totallyshill5392]

Love your videos and commentary dude thanks for all the awesome content

[@ProduccionesPaquito]

Ok, so I've been playing a campaign in IE with the Changeling and it's been fun, but it has some weird interactions. In battle I used Festus and Gorritch until I confederated Kairos. Here's the kicker: THE CHANGELING'S KAIROS FORM IS BETTER THAN KAIROS. It's not like Kairos is bad and the more magic passives I get the better he becomes, however... The changeling (in campaign at least) has full use of his abilities and items. Yes, plural, ITEMS. See, Kairos has only The Staff of Tomorrow, he doesn't have any other unique item in single player. The Changeling's version comes with The Scrolls of Destiny, which are a MASSIVE winds of magic dump for spamming magic which I believe is only available for Kairos in multiplayer. Its spell selection is also arguably better than any combination Kairos can make by losing his arcane item slot. The Changeling's Kairos comes with: Blue Flame of Tzeench, Glean Magic, Firestorm of Tzeench, Penumbral Pendulum, Harmonic Convergence and Regrowth. It can't overcast them and only has SOME of the passives, but that's probably the best spell list in the game period. They've shown some love by giving Kairos the ability to reset his movement, but at least give him the Destiny Scrolls on campaign or something... oh and, in case anyone wondered about his UNIQUE SKILL that makes "Reveal Faction Intentions" free... it's still there... despite "Reveal Faction Intentions" no longer existing. I wouldn't be surprised about this if they hadn't changed him at all but that skill is on his blue line... WHICH WAS ENTIRELLY CHANGED AND OVERHAULED FOR THE LAST PATCH, HOW IN SIGMAR'S LEFT BALL DO YOU MISS THAT!!!

[@Necreon021]

They changed it. It's mechanically different but the description text wasn't changed.

[@ProduccionesPaquito]

@@Necreon021 so what does it do?

[@minimagnum48]

I wonder if they could implement a point pool system along the lines of 2x changeling price, then you spend that pool on a number of transformations based on their own gold cost. So if you take a bunch of spells, drive his price up. You get the option of more/better transformations to take into battle.

[@MyrdinAnnoth]

Workable solution would be to allow him to pick 2 forms each battle. Each form has its own price cost and its up to the players to mix and match as they wish. Gives you some tactical mobility with having 2 chosen and one original form, with the forms having their separate price tags. You could even generalize it: Monsters cost X, mounted heroes cost Y, infantry heroes cost Z, which while not perfect is much easier to do than adding individual cost for each and every single Lord there is to pick from. It would still auto disqualify some picks since not all heroes are made equal, but it would certainly broaded the pick range to what it is currently (as in: the most expensive, badass beater monster you can get away with).

[@Guaguadeath]

Good points overall I agree with you. I just wonder if modders will be able to implement any of those changes to him on their own? 🤔 Someone like Venris might have the know-how

[@millenniumjim5140]

Perhap for campaign one of the changeling skilllines could add extra slots or charges to have more forms per battle.

[@marvelouspatches8577]

Something that might work for him is that he can change into 2 or 3 other lords with less stats but with one piece of gear and a mount of the choice. So with that he has a full range of tools in his box but he is not god tier overpowered.

[@liamcullen3035]

Agreed on all counts. The Changeling's model is beautiful, his campaign is novel, I and I absolutely LOVE the schemes. His transformation mechanic is neat and fairly lore-accurate, but doesn't create very interesting gameplay. I'm sure he'll see some tweaks in future. Especially if we keep making thoughtful critiques, like yours!

[@WELSHMIKEY]

Really like some of these suggestions. I think cost of the character you want plus a base cost of say 500 would be a fair way of doing it. One think I noticed is if I transform into belakor I don't get my tzeentch barrier, I did with other characters just not belakor.

[@BECTHNK119]

Got Ku'gath form as a random reward from 1st quest. Only picked Vlad like 2 times through the entire campaign just to have winds of death spell for some shenanigans

[@chadroy16]

Playing in campaign, the first random lord I unlocked was the only time I opened that menu, I got valkia so flying lord to get me wherever I want then stalk while on foot to use magic or take settlements with ease. I like that he can change but I also wanted to feel like I was playing the changeling. It's turn 108 now and yeah, haven't changed the transform lord since turn 1 or 2 when you get it. Still enjoying the campaign but not being an empire builder does restrict how many times I can see myself playing the changeling. I enjoyed kairos before and think he should be even better now, even if still a slog.

[@tankjr84]

What if there was a random few lords that could be chosen in battle? Randomized 3 lords to swap between every battle.

[@zombiegoku1243]

I like the idea of having multiple (3 ??) options. Have a low base cost, each option increasing that base cost, if you want mount and/or items that increases the base cost further. Also maybe add in a timer for each transformation of 2 to 3 minutes, or perhaps a total transformation timer of 9 (you know why) minutes, that way its a bit easier to balance the cost and make him interesting but not cheesy. Although, there will need to be some limitation on items if he can swap around? Imagine if he transforms into multiple Lords who items grants a offensive bound spell or ability. Seafang, Sunfang, etc. cheap range units would be too sad.

[@Draxynnic]

When it comes to fluff, I think that's already been broken. It's been a while since I last read the Changeling's 8E rules, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't "you can swap the Changeling's model with the Plaguefather and have all the Plaguefather's strengths and abilities". His shapeshifting was, IIRC, more along the lines of an assassin-like "can hide in any unit" mechanic, but once he revealed himself and started fighting, he had his own stats. Since they've already broken that and basically made him the most powerful daemon in existence, they probably might as well go the whole hog and let him transform into lords with mounts. Explain it as him transforming into a form where the mount and rider are merged into a single entity.

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

I can understand the one-form limit for custom battles but for campaign, the Changeling should've been able to basically change into anyone on a whim, perhaps even have an extra ability to quickly copy any lord (even generic ones or Legendary ones that he's not yet unlocked) that is currently on the battlefield with him. by the end of his campaign skill tree he should've been able to become almost anyone with all mounts, items, and spells (including overcasting for goodness sake) on no cooldown

[@redsalamander9999]

I don't know how effective or fun this would be, but maybe have it so the Changeling can take on multiple forms per battle, but can only turn into them for a set time, encouraging the player to switch between forms. Or maybe divide the characters he can become into different categories, maybe based around price, and he can only take one character per category, so he can't just take the most powerful characters for all his options.

[@haozrez7228]

Always enjoy hearing your thoughts and feelings on the state of games, total war or otherwise. I agree with your thoughts here. Thank you for the content.

[@echomjp]

I think making the transformations timed and limited, with more powerful transformations being more time limited and restrictive, would do well. So that you would have the option of either spending most of the battle as the Changeling with some cool spells and utility which justify that, or you could spend a significant part of it as a weaker Lord with its own utility (I think items and such should be available as well), or you could spend a couple of minutes as Skarbrand or Ku'Gath in an important battle before needing to go back to your usual fighting. I don't think there's really a way to balance this character if they spend the majority of their time as another Legendary Lord, unfortunately. Certain combinations just would be utterly broken (like Ku'Gath), and increasing the cost doesn't really fix the problem - it just makes it reach a point where you no longer can afford to have any kind of an actual army which is no fun. Being able to choose within the battle who you want to transform into might be a good idea, but I'm unsure about how to implement that. Maybe limit it to two transformation options, and balance it around that.

[@anon5725]

How do you post W after W takes

[@Traqqer1]

another option is to take the weaker lords up. Since there Stats dont mach the greater deamon they are the ones getting mounts and item. the weaker there stat line the more they get, and the greater deamon stay barebone. That way you could use still a fixed cost

[@paulkirschner4378]

I think you can only choose one form for battle is good for balance and just make him whatever your changing to plus 15 percent cost

[@drizzet11]

my idea would be to basicly give him a sort of "free" money pool for the person he turns into where you take his base and get that much money minus the cost of the person he turns into to buy items but can spend more on their items. example lets take "dude mcsword" he costs exactly 1000 gold to put on the field naked while the changeling costs 3500 to use so when you choose dude mcsword as your transformation you get a little unit card in your ui that you click on and can buy his items with the first 2500 not counting towards your actual army cost so you buy his sword for 1500 and his armor for 1000 and you get those for free but then if you want his mount "horsey mchorseface" you have to pay 500 gold to add it since dude mcsword now costs more then the changeling, but what if you dont want his armor well then you end up with 500 extra gold that you can use to buy anything dude mcsword could normally buy if you were choosing him as your actual lord BUT anything you buy as dude mcsword only applies while transformed if you want an item in both forms you can buy it as the changling without it being free and it will apply in both forms (but only if its a generic item that anyone can use). oh and if the person you want to transform into costs more then the changling then you just dont get any free money so its more like its buffing the cheaper lords while leaving the expensive ones mostly alone (besides being able to buy them their items). i feel like doing it that way could also have some interesting effects with some of the cheaper lords since there are alot of lords that have items that are never bought since they have bonuses that are not worth the price of buying them, like an item that gives you +4 melee def and armor in 55 yards but costs as much as an extra unit is not worth it but getting it for free because you had extra leftover gold well that could be a gamechanger. edit: forgot my campaign fix lol, in campaign just make him have mounts and items based on his level for example if he is level 7 he only gets a mount if the person he turns into gets a mount at level 7 same for any unique items

[@dolphinsmpk3427]

Is Imrik on foot? Or does he have his mount if you choose to copy him? Because that would suggest mounts could be doable

[@milkandcookiesTW]

all characters that can be on foot are on foot when you pick them with the Changeling. so yeah, Imrik doesnt come with the Star Dragon. he is on foot. which means you would never pick him

[@dolphinsmpk3427]

Does that count for all mounted characters? Like is mother ostankya mounted as the changeling? Or does she get a new model for being on foot? Same with sisters of twilight. Because if he can transform into a mounted unit for either of them they should be able to make him on other mounts. Just kind of confusing@@milkandcookiesTW

[@blakebailey22]

@@milkandcookiesTW Sisters of Twilight might be good

[@dolphinsmpk3427]

I guess my question really boils down to the fact that if some units are still mounted somehow, like the sisters or mother ostankya I assume would have to be, why cant everyone be mounted?

[@TalosLordOfNight]

@@dolphinsmpk3427they don’t have the option to be on foot so they get their mounts.

[@SuperDanielHUN]

I think the changeling should receive illusionary units. They look real, their stats look real, their models look real, but after 500 dmg sustained they just disappear. And maybe the transformed lords should have tiers, the lower the lord tier can morph to, the more illusionary units slots they get.

[@CFX992]

I think a good idea for the changeling is when he turns into any lord, multiple copies of the same lord will pop up (3-5) copies which are undistinguishable from the main lord and then the challenge will become finding which one is the real changeling on the battlefield, i think this will make the foot lord option be more viable than what it is currently.

[@Pickatimatrina]

In my Campaign I love to change him in Battle to Skrag. Good damage, good damage spells AND you can heal your monsters up with the heal spell 👍

[@mogwaiman6048]

In tabletop he could only "transform" into a model he was in combat with and just copy some stats.

[@BanKaiRoGue]

Multiplayer aside, completed a Vdifficult champaign with him. 1) get belakor 2) get chainsword 3) Lol dmg You basically get double weapon scaling from both these. Also a little OP as far as heroes goes on campaign. Not sure about Multiplayer aspect. Ty for video

[@Matt-ln7lb]

@1:40 It's really only Ku'gath and Be'lakor. Even with Skarbrand, you're overpaying by like 600 and it's just not worth it. Having multiple transformations likely isn't really an option. Transformations always have different health bars, and they don't share healing or damage (look at the dragons and Malus for example), so it'd just make the Changeling unkillable. The most feasible change would just be to have his cost based on the transformation that was chosen. He shouldn't get magic items, because that wouldn't make any sense; he can copy their physical traits and magic, but he can't copy their magical equipment. Frankly, Ku'gath vs Bretonnia, or Vampire Counts, which has even more problems dealing with Ku'gath, is sort of irrelevant. Tzeentch vs Bretonnia/VC is basically auto-win for Tzeentch anyway. Vortex beasts are also more than good enough for running a blob build, and you don't even need that. Both factions have a very rough time vs lore of tzeentch and chosen halberds/severed claw. Without the Grail Knight bug, Bretonnia would have had a very rough time vs Tzeentch even in the previous patch, and Tzeentch was one of the few factions that could contend with Bretonnia despite the bug.

[@bluebebop2337]

Having him change into more than one charcter per battle would be hype

[@michaelwintermantel9127]

Well said- and also another reason for me not to buy this DLC until they improve it. Im super excited for the changeling. But between the cost and the myriad issues, I cant justify buying it until massive improvements are made to the DLC.

[@kapitankapital6580]

Ngl I would find it hilarious if somebody did bring a Changeling into Tretch build

[@Hangman1]

Have no idea how to force land battles with him because nobody knows where im

[@willichtenstein7071]

I'd give the Changling unique items but with a 10% debuff to item's stats & effects. And mounts. Being a huge wild card in pvp is incredibly powerful already he doesn't need to be evenly strong when he can instead run around countering the play style of a large chunk of the enemy army.

[@erwerewolf]

Honestly only balance change they’ll make is nerf the popular forms lmao

[@jacktalks5008]

I think you should have to choose only from your opponents faction

[@osianharries2771]

They should have made the changeling the free dlc and have him as an agent, works way better as an agent than a lord, the potential for effecting diplomacy and intrigue etc would not only be something interesting to add to the game but also would go well against yuan Bo and his diplomacy

[@arkorat3239]

Its a bit messed up that the guy whose intro is him rapidly shapeshifting, can only change into one other form.

[@KnightofBretonnia]

Man, they broke the heraldry for Bretonnia AGAIN in this update, you can see how all the knights have the same broken pattern of heraldry...

[@ryanrockstar16]

I'll be honest the only real use I've had with him is using him in campaign siege battles to fly to the enemy's main point and take it since he can transform into a flying lord then transform back and get his normal Cap weight again

[@Minifutzi_o.O]

I'm ok with his battel design but I think he needs a really good story driven campaign.

[@tylerdurden376]

Its like the rest of this dlc. Nice, but not ENOUGH!

[@SilentSpringz]

Don’t know but with the new hero he can change into the doctor and u can have 2 aoe heals. But not sure its worth in multiplayer.

[@TheConCarlos]

I've bought dlc for Yuan Bo mainly, ended up completing the Changeling campaign and leaving yuan bo's after 50 turns because bored.

[@FrontlinerDelta]

I won't speak to the MP implications, that's best left to you, Turin, and other much more skilled TW players than I. However, for SP I would like to see the ability to have a few different forms "loaded" and be able to pick from them in battle. And there should be reasons to not be Skarbrand every battle but just be Karl Franz on foot or on Deathclaw. A "changeling" needs a reason to not just jump to the highest power level form available. I love the changeling's campaign, this is what I always wanted from a chaos campaign. Flitting around secretly, installing cults, manipulating events to bring about some "grand plan". But I do wish there was more to the formless horror mechanic than load up the biggest, baddest greater daemon form you have... Pretty much what you said in the latter half of the video. Needs some "restrictions" to give it a more nuanced feel and it doesn't feel like shapeshifting when you're locked into one form for the whole battle.

[@TalosLordOfNight]

They absolutely need to rework him so he is the cost of the character he chooses stripped of all items with a 250 or 500 gold “tax” added on top. Adding items would be nice too. Mounts might be too complicated due to multiple mount options for some characters.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

i think the mounts might be pretty easy actually, the interface for choosing mounts is already there when you select a character. would just need to add a secondary popup once you pick a character in the army selection screen

[@PetrucciIbiza]

​@@milkandcookiesTWexactly and that would do it for the multi-player. Let me build upon ideas you presented combined with some from community. Base tax for changeling 300-500 , and if you want to pick some items and abilities that are his own you also pay for them. Then you pay whatever the character you pick cost including customized set like you would pick from them if you played their race. Ideally you would be able to switch between changeling and chosen character freely in mp or with like 120 sec cool down or something like that. For campaign you get to unlock 2nd and 3rd and maybe 4th transformation in battle based on your level and you are free to switch between them during the battle, but you keep the same % of hp.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Can't exactly make all opions viable. I'd like to see mounts, not items. People are going to pick the strongest to make their money back anyways. With mounts it justs changes the rankings, not your issue. Maybe just give the shapeshift like a summon with degrading health after a set time.

[@coolumbrella4376]

I don’t think I agree that he should have access to all mounts and items it would be terrible for balance you wouldn’t be able to prep for everything. I think that he shouldn’t have access mounts but he should have items and the cost should be determined by the lord choice. I think no matter what Ku’Gath is an insanely strong choice for TZ because that roster has a ton of tools to shut down ranged attacks which is Ku’Gath kryptonite. I know they don’t really care about multiplayer but this patch has been very questionable for multiplayer balance.

[@robertc8425]

Meanwhile. CAMPAING WITH CHANGER GO BRRRR

[@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015]

And they still try to justify this DLC being nearly half the price of the base game.

[@Aliencommander1245]

I don't even really see the idea of getting items or mounts when transforming as making less narrative sense than what he can currently do. Using the star of avelorn to heal some troops is no different from transforming into kugath and suddenly being able to use all the spells from nurgle's lore or having a mortis engine effect, the changeling is just disguising himself as a person, not gaining their magical and physical abilities or whatever

[@EvansdiAl]

Make the price of the changelling the same as the character chosen to convert into battle

[@billl2903]

Clearly you’re forgetting the power of being able to turn into gor-rok. The potential of all those casts of cold-blooded cannot be understated 😂

[@TheBarser]

Yeah no matter what it will be difficult to balance this. Imo the changeling always should be less cost effective than the original lord he emulates.

[@godmarilputente7460]

I'm strongly against giving the Changeling access to mounts and items of the forms. It doesn't make sense and it would give Tzeentch access to literally every full kit Legendary Lord in the game, which would be unfair. I agree that the price should be adjusted, though: it should also be a very easy solution. Taking multiple forms could also be interesting, but I doubt thay CA would implement it.

[@elegantoddity8609]

I mean, the issue is he already has mounts. Turn into Grom, you ride a chariot with wolves. How? Who knows. It's either that *or* give every lord an option to dismount, which I would be in favor of actually but it sounds like more work.

[@extaslash7077]

Campaign wise ive got another couple complaints, namely that I think his "core" mechanics are too strong, whereas his "huge gimmicks" are too weak. All armies being invisible period dot if theres a cult present is stupid dumb, I've not had to fight a defensive battle in 90 turns. Its crazy powerful and nullifies any defensive aspects of a campaign. Meanwhile, his Grand Scheme of Ulthuan, the culmination of his efforts of fucking over the elves, siphoning power from the great Vortex to Slaanesh herself. Whats the consequences? 10 turns of +10 slaanesh corruption. Its such a nothing burger and is the case for most of these schemes. The changeling should have to complete all, or at very least damn near all, minor schemes before unlocking a theaters grand scheme, the quest battle should be difficult, BUT the consequences for succeeding should be disastrous for the theater. Im talking like, multiple slaanesh doomstacks on ulthuan, or a fairly moderate slaanesh army in every single province. This is the dude that regularly decieves gods, let him live up to his hype but make it hard on the player, and nerf some of his core mechanics so that theyre not literally 0 counterplay.

[@Hamsonia616]

I really wish they just went with Egrimm Van Horstmann instead

[@blakebailey22]

Changeling should only be able to transform into whoever the opponent's LL is

[@azikhan1707]

Immortal in the magus world

[@raynightshade8317]

Wait he can turn into inanimate objects? Tower transformation when?

[@nordicpush1452]

Tzeench is maste of illusion of choice thats what u get if u fallow him.....

[@ninnoofthelastunicorn2693]

Gonna sound like an idiot but when he was announced I assumed the changes Indy suggested here was how he was going to work

[@deamonsdarkness7157]

Your multiple picks is robust and would be considered op and all it would take is 1 person complaining to undo it other than that your other idea's are pretty good

[@jamesespinosa690]

I think in multiplayer the changling should get access to unique items and mounts. But in campaign, I'm not so sure. Doesn't his red or yellow line give him some HUGE buffs in his transformed mode??? A lot of them look like they give more stats than most legendary items do. And better than that, you get 4/5 different skills buffing your guy. Isn't he going to be stronger than most of the people he's transformed into?? (minus mounts).

[@1337-Nathaniel]

He should only get unique items if he earns them (eliminating the current owner of said legendary item)

[@tincano-beans2114]

He has a line and retains his item stats.

[@nicholaswittock8738]

You actually could not possibly be more right. xD

[@NagashLordOfDeath]

I don't own this stupidly overpriced and underbaked dlc, but when it's a proper price his campaign mechanics sound fun. For his forms, make it a timer, you turn into 3 chosen lords with say 2mins and then he changes back to base form and that charge is on a really long cooldown so you have to pick another lord. Break them down into categories "greater daemon slot, footlord slot, mounted lord slot"

[@Crungus3084]

This video is great and all but I'm not buying this DLC because it's clearly not worth it.

[@zrize101]

Why the f should the changeling be able to transform into a character AND their mount..??

[@milkandcookiesTW]

he can literally already do that for some characters. like Kugath, he is the palanquin throne mount, the nurglings, and kugath himself. or Ostankya and her chariot

[@sauronplugawy3866]

​​​@@milkandcookiesTW Maybe because they do not have option to be unmounted? Lmao.

[@zrize101]

@@milkandcookiesTW I meant for those already available as well. What's the logic behind it? He can change HIS form, I don't see justification for producing that much matter out of thin air.

[@julienpaquette9433]

Changeling's implementation could have been much better but the problem is money. They have become lazy and want to enrich the shareholders. End of the story

[@ablade2382]

Its time to balance the gold costs of Multiplayer to be seperate from the gold costs of Singeplayer. This is getting silly, cmon CA stop being so lazy.

[@Cyiel568]

It's not laziness, it's a lack of manpower dedicated to TW:WH3. It's an entire different problem.

[@srdjan455]

Some of the problems sounds more like issue with the community. If the community uses changeling to pick a handful of character instead of a high flexible tool to fill a hole in your army then that's on them. Need someone killed? Pick Snitch, Grimmgor or Alith Anar. Want to harash and kite? Pick Gromm or a Louen. Need a wall? Gor-Rok

[@danielatar4686]

Seems very challenging to balance it. If it is +250/500 tax + leg lord cost then it's a small tax that Tzeentch pays to have access to every single lord and magic in the game.

[@GeneralMarbles]

But the marketing team assured us all our extra money was going towards balancing mechanics like this... I can't believe they would release changeling in a state with problems every content creator predicted would happen if they put zero effort into the mechanic. He picks one character and becomes them. Ok, what have you done to make all or at least most of the legendary lords in the game appealing? Nothing? Ok hes just gunna be picking the 4 most expensive lords every game. They really said we tried nothing and are out of ideas. excited for him to be patched in six months, and for the patch to introduce a bug where he instantly dies upon transforming, and for it to not be fixed for another 6 months when they release the 60 doller dogs of war DLC, featuring 3 units for the empire. Bare minimum he needs to be priced based on his transformation, and items/mounts need to be accesable. Its laughable they thought it was ok for at the bare minimum mounts to not be accusable. No mounts alone eliminates over half the cast. Well Im sure the people who got the DLC can look forward to modders fixing the issues in a month.

[@RTSfan342]

wow it really doesnt stop with you does it

[@Decinomic0n]

So it isnt a changeling problem but a PVP meta problem, got it

[@notarealperson8956]

They should make him work like in the proper game, where he can copy whatever the enemy brings

[@dnaseb9214]

He should be able to turn ONLY into generic lords.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

If you have to ask why a Tzeentch halberds mix well with lore of Nurgle vs Bretonnia then this may be your first TWW3 video. In which case, welcome!

[@FilipMoncrief]

We goin back to medieval 2 boys

[@TalosLordOfNight]

What chu talkin bout willis?

[@konradcurze8176]

I recommend Call of Warhammer. To this day, that mod still has stuff that the Total Warhammer lacks like the Dogs of War and lots of regional empire units.

[@ogge9296]

No we don't 😊

[@Marchochias]

Boring, poorly designed and unbalanced gameplay has been par for the course with Warhammer 3 since launch day. At this point I doubt that will ever change. I just hope that the historical/moddable total wars come back at some point...pharaoh isn't looking amazing either. We need some ambitious large scope historical titles again, not more of this super narrow lack of diversity type stuff in britannia or pharaoh.

[@jedinathan]

My thoughts on this is that. I don't care. Simply because I have 0 interest in multiplayer and hate multiplayer balancing because those changes get roped into single player thus making me have to use mods to undo those changes, I remove the regen camp and summon timers for that exact reason; multiplayer is not why I play Total War games, first off I play modded so that immediately disqualifies me from multiplayer, secondly I play Total War for the campaigns more then the battles. Third point I don't like that every multiplayer fight turns into a pyrrhic victory with no real incentive for creative army builds because the Meta makes them non-viable. Which if a guy who plays for the fun of it making armies the way I want to rather then using some meta is VERY much a turn off. Fourth point I'm a single-player exclusive player I don't want the things from multiplayer impacting that enjoyable single player experience. Basically I watched for a minute heard multiplayer talk and decided that I don't care because Multiplayer is not my thing. But seriously the multiplayer balance changes need to STAY OUT of singleplayer I deliberately use mods to get rid of them and I should not have to.

[@SirGiff]

Why do you not want the Changeling to have more viable forms in single player?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

YOU DIDNT EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO, YOU DONT GET TO HAVE AN OPINION ON WHAT IM SAYING if you cant even be bothered to listen and understand it lol. No one cares if you like or dont like multiplayer, i have no idea why yall feel the need to shout that from the rooftops on videos that have very little to do with it. You aren't even addressing the subject being discussed, just looking for a random way to shoehorn in an anti-mp stance without watching the video or actually engaging with the topic/proposals. Its fine that you dont play multiplayer, its fine if you dont like multiplayer. That has almost nothing to do with what I'm talking about, as my proposals would benefit the character in campaign, and make his campaign more fun. And if you dont play MP, then you shouldn't care about changes made to MP. Engage with the topic, listen to what is being discussed, provide a counter argument, or go away. I'm here talking about giving the Changeling reason to pick more characters in both game modes, and you're here being an old man yelling at clouds. The main problem I have with his battle design HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MULTIPLAYER. STOP BEING WEIRD

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@bgiffo because he didnt watch the video. he assumed it was "MP ruining my SP me mad", left an essay about how "MP bad" and peaced out. Even though the proposals would open up gameplay for Changeling in campaign. waste of time

[@TurboCleeze]

The Changeling campaign is terrible so far. So much work to get one objective completed and with no base to operate out of kind of feels like a Beastmen horde army.

[@justinleblanc588]

I didnt like the price for the DLC, The stuff you get out of it ,Not enough value for the money, I had to buy it to get more units for tzeentch units and to collect more legendary lords

[@borgCube100]

I think Multiplayer shouldn't be THIS much of an issue. Most players don't play multiplayer. If you are asking for a slight change, then yes. Anything else? No.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

i think you aren't even addressing the subject being discussed, and are looking for a random way to shoehorn in an anti-mp stance without watching the video or actually engaging with the topic/proposals. Its fine that you dont play multiplayer, its fine if you dont like multiplayer. That has very little to do with what I'm talking about, as my proposals would also benefit the character in campaign, and make his campaign more fun. And if you dont play MP, then you shouldn't care about changes made to MP

[@inabearsuit2425]

Hey look who bought the dlc after all the complaining

[@milkandcookiesTW]

I dont buy any of the DLCs. I get them for free because of the work I do and the channel and relationships I have created. I explained my stance at length in the video yesterday. Watch it or dont, but this isnt the epic own you think it is

[@TheOriginalFishPond]

You're allowed to participate in something you have criticisms of.

[@inabearsuit2425]

@@SlickMajestic yeah he's not a reporter he's a gamer. This is where the gaming community starts to fail. They don't like a game or the price point and they pony up the funds anyways because what can they do? Well if you truly don't like the direction a game is going and the shady practices of a developer than maybe you should speak with your wallet? Playing their crap content and giving it free publicity whether it's negative or not is still free advertisement for them. I didn't buy their dlc and won't. The direction the developers have been going is sad. It's just like destiny 2 more money less content

[@yoda4263]

at this point they got to rework the whole dlc and i dont think its gonna happen and if it does the next one is gonna be crap as well and they are gonna say „well of course its bad and incomplete you wanted us to spend time changing the previous one now pay 25 bucks“

[@Joker-ik1sp]

Haven't had as much fun with a campaign since ikit claw, my buildings stay even after the settlement got razed and I never get sieged or attacked except for my main army obviously, I can teleport over the campaign map, I can play with whatever character I want in battle (just got myself azazel whom I always wanted to play but never did cuz fuck the slaanesh army) and I can force war between factions and do whatever the fuck I want with the AI on the campaign map

[@bammbalam]

MP is only 10% of the community so this doesnt matter to me at all