The many lies of PED users (part. 1)

Introduction: • "Steroid users don't h...
Pro bodybuilding (part. 1): • My opinion on Pro Body...
Natural bodybuilding (part. 2): • Natural Bodybuilding i...
00:00 The truth cannot be hateful, it just is
5:53 This isn't a lesson on morals, this is logic
7:31 Wannabe PED users, that speech is for you
11:42 KZbin Fitness has normalized drug use
19:48 Inversion of values & moral relativism
24:18 Most PED fanboys are DYEL naturals for a reason
31:45 Steroid users have weaponized the halo effect
37:28 "PEDs don't do that much bro"
47:10 Yes, steroids do make you big with 0 efforts
59:48 "Built different" meme
1:07:30 No, genetics aren't everything
1:14:52 Don't join the PED death cult

[@satinderjit4]

Bro I've maxed out all my natural gainz after training hard for 2 months.

[@asadcake6375]

I've been working out for 2weeks, I see no changes, I think it's because of bad genetics guys

[@zakarypavkovic4089]

@@asadcake6375 don’t worry man, the journey for anyone regardless of genetics is a long road. Don’t stress it too much and just stay consistent with your training and nutrition

[@zakarypavkovic4089]

Brother I can guarantee that there is no way you have come close to maxing out your gains in 2 weeks: it will truly take decades or an amount of time that is simply ungraspable to think about. It’s a long and very rewarding road

[@asadcake6375]

@@zakarypavkovic4089 haha thanks man but don't worry I was ironic ;). I've been working out for I guess 8 months, I successfully lost 20kg and I feel like I'm continuously improving (in term of strength and hypertrophy). Even if I was stuck, I would continue training hard to improve. Have a nice day (:

[@dustencross357]

@@zakarypavkovic4089 damn dude... That one really went over your head! 😂

[@morojkiller5418]

Getting trilogy vibes: NH: A Fake Hope NH: The Hypogonadism Strikes Back NH: Return of the Natural

[@abhishekchaudhry80]

That is genius

[@Copeman9999]

That's fucking amazing bro

[@LiverpoolfanINchina]

NH: The Phantom Fake Natty NH: Attack of the SARMs NH: Revenge of the Tren

[@GVS]

"but stay until the video until you're even madder" Let's get after it.

[@rayellthedruid2971]

You guys killing it out here are makeing me want to make healthy natural weight loss vids.

[@Turglayfopa]

I'm under 30 and I'm getting ads for test replacement therapy. That gives me a grim idea about the state of males in the 1st world.

[@sethgaston8347]

I started training at a jujitsu gym and at a commercial weight training gym. At 19 I was super sociable but also starkly skinny 6"3 at 130lbs. The commercial gym was mostly full of 30 something guys with great bodies but horrendous attitudes. They didn't want anything to do with me lol. The bbj gym was the opposite everyone was cool, though they weren't in great shape, if you saw them, you wouldn't guess they could choke out a wayyy bigger man, but they all can. Now that I'm 195lbs of mostly muscle, that i achieved naturally, the commercial guys are nicer, but they're almost all on test and some on worse. While my bbj guys are hopping on test and other substances, it make me fucking sick, they're even actually different towards me. When you're natural other guys are bros and fellow men, once you start pinning everyone else is competition unless they're bigger than you and then you hate them.

[@GVS]

Yup I get them at 32 ALL the time.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

@@GVS Buy my freaking tren book

[@bladestrike8045]

> I'm getting ads Can't relate.....

[@samburger7715]

Jitz is getting infiltrated by peds, sad to see. Reason I joined was to improve myself and confidence only to do a sport with people so insicure that they use exogenous hormones to “feel” better instead of eating better. Smh

[@tobilifts6852]

French man debunks #1 supplement for hardgainers recommended by well disrespected canadian pseudo doctor

[@OGfromGst]

But I'm an ectomorph bro

[@fichshreds2661]

i remember that video straight up irresponsible

[@Baltimore_Hood_Vines_2014]

@@OGfromGst BRO YOU JUST DON'T GET IT SURE I TRAIN LIKE SHIT AND BARELY EAT BUT BRO I'M JUST AN ECTOMORPH HARDGAINER BRO!!!!!

[@peliac7319]

@@fichshreds2661 what video was it?

[@fichshreds2661]

@@peliac7319 ''Best supplements for ectomorphs''. He recommended testosterone and mk677...

[@AlwaysSoldierOn]

Thanks for being one of many you tubers that convinced me to to stop using PEDs. If I stayed the course who knows if I would have ever recovered. Have fully recovered my natural test and will never touch it again now. My ego took a big hit when I hopped off and lost the look that was in alignment with the superficial image I had built over the years but I always remind myself when I look back on those photos where I looked insane that I was the unhappiest within. No matter how big and shredded you get, you’ll always feel small. It also doesn’t feel as fulfilling because in the back of your mind you know that without that regular injection the unnatural physique you’ve attained will melt for the most part. Now I took up boxing and jiu jitsu classes instead and feel way more fulfilled with physical activity I enjoy, knowledge I’ll keep for life and something that can possibly save my life some day.

[@mounty6854]

Respect bro live the life!

[@angusroewl7206]

Fuck yeah brother, jiunjitsu and lifting is the way

[@lgrazy]

Big respect bro

[@axelnova123]

Glad to have you back on the team brother

[@breadqueen5351]

Congrats! I'm happy for you

[@Copeman9999]

I find it hilarious that being anti drug use is a radical opinion. Like yeah bro I don't want people smoking weed every day, I don't want everyone sniffing coke at the weekends, and I don't want 30% of British gym users to be on roids.

[@mounty6854]

Stock market is ruled by coke addicts, Fitness/BB by juice freaks... and the dating market by hot chicks drunk on Red Wine...

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I get told all the time that I'm starting conflict and being a troll when I say maybe we shouldn't normalize drugs.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

30%? those are rooky numbers. The amount of roiders in "PureGym" was ironically insane

[@Copeman9999]

@@Pedro_Le_Chef I'm just going off an old study, in your local puretren it might be higher.

[@psilocybinenthusiast3695]

@@atlaspowershrugged I get what u mean but if people demonise steroids I really hope they’re against coffee, alcohol cigarettes or any other legal drug that u can get as they are drugs aswell. My dad drinks 2/3 glasses of wine a night and is classed as ‘normal’ but I bet if he seen me smoking some weed he’d have a big problem.

[@kimborampage]

But bro!!! My T level are going crash when I’m 30!!! I need to pin synthetic hormones for life so I can be a healthy male.

[@jonduke4748]

Nonsense, you're a perfectly healthy beta male.

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

I made some of my best gains in my mid 30's(my arms went from 17 1/4 to nearly 19 inch drug-free)and I was at my most muscular in early 40's. Get rid of all flour, sugar and fast digesting carbs, no soda....you'll be fine.

[@RuckRitz]

How interesting...🙄

[@wainach9518]

@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 i googled some about fast digesting carbs and it says that glucose (found in fruits vegetables), fructose(fruits vegetables) and galactose ( milk) are also fast digesting carbs. does that mean theyre unhealthy?

[@krys421]

@@wainach9518 fruit is obviously healthy

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Can confirm that pro bodybuilders don't train especially hard. I traned at Golds Venice for a couple years. The huge pros don't do anything especially intense, or that different from moderately competent gymbros.

[@Everest_Climber]

You are brilliant. This is by far the most profound fitness channel on KZbin. Let's face it: 50% of the population are below average intelligence. I'd argue that this % is higher among people who can spend 8 hours a week in the gym. You are far too intelligent to get through to those people, they simply won't understand you (they won't understand concepts like "Stockholm Syndrome", "halo effect", "parthenogensis", "dysmorphia", etc). Moreover, as someone who came from the lowest levels in society, I can say that long-term planning is found less among the working-class/"uneducated", so these guys at 20 are less concerned by being alive at 50. Just like they don't plan an education/career/investments that won't pay back for a decade or decades, so they focus on quick results now, damn the consequences. Last year I had a bf (great body) who went to the gym every day for 10 years but very dissatisfied with his progress, and often talking about how PEDs would make him better. He used to read fitness sites, watch YT videos. When I told him "you have body dysmorphia" he had never heard of it and it took a while for him to understand the concept.

[@dustencross357]

I have considered starting a PED cycle rill i went out yesterday to the store a caught a glimpse of myself in a store window... Yeah i may be small but im a lot bigger than i was 2 years ago and i will be bigger in another 2 years. Thank you for giving me the confidence to stay natural! I cant wait to learn more from you

[@craigdaniels3749]

As a PED user (no I don't plan on stopping) I agree, and I appreciate you trying to sway naturals away from taking AAS. The biggest thing I see is that these people who want to start taking steroids do NOT fully understand the consequences these things can have on your body. All they think about is estrogen but I haven't heard a single one mention hypertension, hair loss, kidney damage, heart failure, liver cancer, polycythemia, or how neurotoxic trenbolone is. 99.999% of the time these people think they'll just take 750mg of testosterone, 500mg of tren, 100mg of Dbol, and just pop an AI whenever they feel like it for their first cycle, and won't even know how these compounds interact with their body beyond that they build muscle. It's scary talking to these people. Not taking the proper steps to protect your body WILL lead to an early death. Honestly, no one should take steroids unless they are serious about it being a lifetime commitment. This shit is not for playing around. Not to mention that the vast majority of PED users are fucking brain dead idiots when it comes to this stuff it's almost embarrassing to be around them.

[@amdimilker5773]

"no one should be taking steroids unless they are serious about it being a lifetime commitment" Broscience conclusion. Shutdown is not permanent and is avoidable with moderate dosages of certain compounds. Yes, test and some DHT derivatives. But I get it let's not promote the use of PEDs.

[@craigdaniels3749]

@@amdimilker5773 It's not really a broscience conclusion. HPTA shut down is only a part of the equation but still you'll have extreme outliers who will not recover; granted compound selection plays a role. Never the less this is what I'm talking about 99% of people at most only understand the side effects/nuances of PED use at surface level. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I'm a steroid genius or that I know everything I'm far from that. If you are serious about putting on muscle through PED use then it is a life time commitment. You either blast & cruise or you don't and lose the muscle you've accumulated since natural levels of testosterone cannot sustain unnatural levels of muscle development. Not to mention any damage done to your body will most likely be permanent or need to be closely monitored for life, and we're not even touching upon having preexisting conditions or genetic predispositions which would exacerbated much much more by steroid use.

[@amdimilker5773]

@@craigdaniels3749 Your justification for that statement: HPTA shutdown is a part of the equation. Your claim about extreme outliers who never recover. And then you claim that you can't keep the muscle mass with natural testosterone levels(or a TRT dose?) Right?

[@craigdaniels3749]

​@@amdimilker5773 Yes, there are extreme outliers who will be permanently shut down no matter what. Although that is an extremely small percentage of steroid users the risk is still there. To make a blanket statement that everyone can recover with a proper PCT is not true although that begs the question of how many people are even doing a proper PCT because a lot are not. Also, who's to say that when you do "recover" your natural testosterone levels that they will be back to where they once were before you started steroids. Was that worth it? Or what about the people who have developed scar tissue in their testicles from years of having their balls turned off (it's good to periodically run HMG to prevent this scar tissue build up) rendering them completely infertile no matter what fertility drugs are used. These things happen. Regarding muscle mass if you have a 600ng/dl natural or TRT testosterone level and the muscle you've built from steroids requires 1200ng/dl just to maintain it then you'll lose it. It's similar to people with muscular atrophy/wasting diseases. Have you never heard of people losing their gains when they came off cycle? Fucking hell this just proves my point even further. Even if you are using TRT you're not a natural it's that simple if you can't comprehend that then I don't give a fuck. TRT should put you in the mid to high normal reference range not fucking 1200ng/dl+. Still this goes back to what I was saying about if you have more muscle than what your current testosterone levels (doesn't matter if it's natural production or TRT) can sustain you will lose muscle mass. Why do you think body builders have to keep upping their hormone replacement doses the bigger they get? It's not uncommon for big bodybuilders to run 200mg - 250mg or more a week.

[@amdimilker5773]

@@craigdaniels3749 There's no evidence that moderate dosages of testosterone- or DHT-derivatives can cause permanent shutdown in an otherwise healthy male. *Certain compounds* !! Yes you could have a genetic defect. But that's not steroid-induced given the statement above. A "permanent shutdown" is a spermatogenic dysfunction. It's not your neuroendocrine function. To avoid this, everything that's needed is to stimulate the leydig cells with hCG during cycle. Some people need hMG but preferably rFSH, but I'm suspecting it's due to prolonged HPTA shutdown. In this instance you also mentioned testicular fibrosis. Yes that's what can happen if you're allowing your nuts to shrink, lol. You're on clomid because you understand it on a surface level, how it occupies the estrogen receptor to produce testosterone. I'd assume! Like you said you're far from a steroid genius. Really you're just using clomid in a slow attempt to restart your system because it increases FSH (and hCG LH.) No wonder you think you lose your gains during PCT. Another reason is that you don't know the difference between muscle tissue and (positive) side effects from steroids. You don't lose muscle tissue in a day. Many people are maintaining running on TRT dosages of a maximum of 250mg. Granted, I don't know if Ronnie Coleman could maintain the part of his size that was actual muscle tissue for long on a TRT dosage. I guess this contributes to the theory of "natural limit" that this guy talks so much about.

[@arminferdinand5849]

I wanted to take PEDs once I've reached my "genetic limit" for a few years but hadnt built up courage for it yet, I've changed my mindset when I came across alphadestiny's channel but I could say NH surelly hammered the last "I will never touch this shit" nail for me. I can't thank both of them enough, and I have a lot of work to go trough because I have my own mental issues and that is what make me consider take drugs in the first place but I can assure one thing: We'll ride the spiral to the end And may just go where no one's been.

[@Madchris8828]

So well stated 👏 👍

[@anonymousman4419]

I hope you're still going in the right direction mate.

[@arminferdinand5849]

@@anonymousman4419 I am buddy, I'm still making gains drug free after these two years and it's been amazing, there is no natural limit.

[@iaamara8434]

Gotta love the Tool reference mate

[@joussaintblohoux8951]

I manufactured them at the farm at Langlois. It’s a side hobby aside from snatch and grab operations.

[@gueponex6687]

Are they available outside of tegsus?.

[@joussaintblohoux8951]

@@gueponex6687 yes but you will have to pay me $250 for helicopter fuel. NON NÉGOCIABLE.

[@biggiecheese570]

The legendary French sock account

[@joussaintblohoux8951]

@@biggiecheese570 You’re approaching me in a threatening manner. Back off or there will be consequences. NON NÉGOCIABLE.

[@craigvanet4050]

@@joussaintblohoux8951 .you draw

[@ericchild3816]

I have bad genetics 😞 I was born without 16 inch arms 😕😕😕 think I’m just a hard gainer It’s been 4 months

[@WarriorMasterTrainer]

I really love that despite this being an hour long+ video you still time stamp it out with clear descriptions of what each portion is about. I can tell you put a lot of effort into these videos

[@devidviezzi9126]

I talked with a student at school, 19 years old, that wants to start his first cycle this september. He has a good build, I don't even understand why he wants to starts that shit, at just NINETEEN years old... it's really sad what social media are doing to the minds of this young men.

[@iaamara8434]

Natural selection tbh

[@Saint.Of.Strength]

He wore the Buggy shirt cuz he was dropping bombs of knowledge on us

[@mattc4266]

Buggy is awesome

[@chuy6028]

When your bicep vein is horizontal

[@ironshelter40]

Watched the first 30min, will watch the rest as I run errands though out the day....just want to say....love the info and the honesty, my brother..Good work.

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

This serie of long video you put on recently has an insanely high value, thank you for that!

[@Deity_Slayer92]

Fairly new sub here. Browsed through your content and I'm glad I found you you're a great advocate for healthy and gradual progression. Earned a sub brother, thanks for the goldmine :)

[@willmolinar]

I love your tough dad approach. "Just shut up and listen!" Bravo, sir. These impressionable kids need to stop and think before they ruin their lives because of the nonsense these fitness yahoos on KZbin and Instagram are spouting.

[@alejandrofernandez9466]

I think that something most people who jump on peds don't understand (or have been brainwashed not to ) is that value is always added therefore not intrinsic, they assume that more muscle is just better and that this statement will hold true no matter the means. This becomes false with simple reasoning, as evidence just think about the joy you get from reaching a goal through hard work and determination and how indifferent you are towards basic things you have always had.

[@houseofaction]

PEDs do more than just increase muscle mass, instead most people on PEDs do not see any massive increase in muscle mass. on the contrary PEDs increase the rate of recovery, lesson the chances of injury if done properly. and objectively increase strength

[@Sam_Saraguy]

@@houseofaction I suggest that you watch the video, or watch it again.

[@arandomzoomer4837]

42:30 I think there was a study where they gave people test and they didn’t train and they gained more muscle than someone who does train naturally. But oh, just icing on the cake 48:00 oh wow you brought it up. Awesome I was thinking about how much different steroid training is too. On steroids your muscles grow faster than your joints so you have this weird high rep low ROM minimal rest pump style of training which is mainly for getting drug rich blood into the muscles. And then PED users sell programs to naturals based on what worked for them but doesn’t work for us at all. That honesty sounds kinda lame. The training shifting from “I train hard and my muscles grow in response to resistance” to “I try to get a pump to get drugs in my muscles so they can do the work”. One just sounds so much more, dare I say, real than the other

[@bigjoncash4297]

derek from more plates more dates here...

[@valentin8474]

That would be dope but derek would turn it into a 4 hour movie

[@volcommerce]

Derek is the king of bro science. He's a very likeable guy. Everything he says is absolute phuccing bullshit.

[@balakfnd1931]

I don’t watch too much of MPMD videos, but that would be interesting if he reviewed this. He. He actually advices people to not take peds but deep down, the people watching his videos want to take peds anyways

[@kimborampage]

@@balakfnd1931 he owns a trt clinic

[@amdimilker5773]

@@volcommerce Give me ONE example. Should be easy when everything he says is "bullshit", right?

[@michalk1453]

You've been pumping out videos like crazy lately. Good shit.

[@danielm1]

Watched it, waitin for part 2 :)

[@jmcleda8138]

You are legit the best fitness youtuber, such high quality content, you arent even promoting products, youre so pure. You are what the industry needs, youre BETTER than every other youtuber: (no diss to them) alpha destiny, geoffrey schofield, jeff nipard etc...

[@jmcleda8138]

@BASED Eyecel III hes kinda shit, just does the same thing over and over, its very low effort to just react to a video

[@harmomic1986]

Bien content d'avoir découvert ta chaîne, un abonné en plus. 💪🙂👍

[@yorkenglish3874]

This channel is pure gold! Thanks for sharing your knowledge, mate. Much love!

[@holo99holo1]

Thank you man for being a breath of fresh air in this community, it's about time someone pushed back hard against PEDs on KZbin. On a different note your thumbnails are awesome and I often find myself wondering what manga is it from, would you mind putting the manga's name in the descreption for future videos. Thanks

[@natesmith4065]

*looks at single page of notes* "I might have to split this up into multiple 90-minute videos" lmao

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

Don't had the time to watch everything you released, as of late lol but love it anyway. Your shirt is smartly weared, as intended, ofc.

[@MV-ch3mm]

Nice to see someone talk about this, it's sad to see so many people doing drugs. Even normies are using test nowadays... just to look good? Hope it gets to the right people.

[@tim..t175]

Love these long videos. Excellent information and psychology

[@are3287]

100% never going to do drugs. Not performance related or otherwise, I like my natural body better lol.

[@zakarypavkovic4089]

Yes man all the way!

[@UKERU00]

God damn this video was good, the initial part about the audience being usually DYELs paints a very bleak but real picture of in how in the shitters YT fitness is. I sincerely want someone like you to get more notoriety because it would actually save people's lives, no matter how small the number is. I particularly never wanted to look like a freaky open BB competitor, I think of them more like the dudes who wants to do the craziest shit to their bodies to look inhuman, but this video really made me see the kind of damage it does to the general population perception and expectation of what someone who lifts are like. I seriously cannot understand how someone lies about this shit when I see guys younger than 20 wanting to use shit, but I guess the sunk-cost and this being the only way they can make money are good enough reason to influence other gullible dudes to destroy their body for the rest of their life

[@Everest_Climber]

"to their bodies to look inhuman" Society should refer to them as "mutants", because that is what they are. Like creatures from the lab in Deadpool. I always describe them as mutants rather than bodybuilders.

[@thatoneartfellowroob]

NH at it again with the feature length callouts, *lemme get my popcorn*

[@joel7678]

One of the biggest lies of ped users are them being natty

[@ugbuga99]

Don't forget they also have sUpErIor genetics

[@the_lone_donkey1388]

I don’t know how some of them do that anymore. I’d feel so lame.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

You're not wrong...

[@hozerberto4886]

@@the_lone_donkey1388 they have no pride, they ain’t man enough to say they couldn’t achieve something

[@the_lone_donkey1388]

@@hozerberto4886 that's true, also legality issues probably have something to do with them

[@JO-jn1wy]

I’m taking you up on the offer of the lamp and the flat in Paris. Where can I email my personal details? Dying to get a spot in la place vendôme and fly myself there in a magic carpet like Aladdin. In all seriousness I’m glad you make these videos, as no one does. You’re making a difference. YT fitness creates a vacuum effect(sucks you in) and normalises PD’s, when it’s really a corner(internet) of a corner(YT)of a corner in life(YT fitness).

[@breadqueen5351]

Thank you always for sharing your sane and healthy thoughts, we need that in this community

[@Zoronoa01]

"If your life sucks right now, it will be worse on steroids" this is epic!

[@cattlecumwewlad6941]

That's a complete lie lmao

[@davepazz580]

Reminds me of a quote by a famous rock star many years ago... "Most bands think once they finally land that record deal, that's when their problems will be over... but that's not really when their problems will be over, that's when their problems will actually begin."

[@freddykisback123]

@@cattlecumwewlad6941 cope

[@gottmttunsk3502]

@@freddykisback123 it's a lie. I never felt as good as on trt

[@nickobenchain7661]

what happens when you come off tho? @@gottmttunsk3502

[@omarsalim62]

Keep promoting the natural way brother!

[@theinfamousbear0001]

I appreciate the video and the message in it. The argument was well constructed and brings many valid points into consideration. With that said i see most ped users preaching dont do it. I understand their content would have an impressionable viewer not believe them but these yt fitness influencers fake natties aside generally speak out about how their viewers should stay away from steroids sarms etc.

[@harrispapadakis8523]

For some reason I want to see NH sir discuss such topics with Leo and Longevity and his supraphysiological gang. Love both of these worlds, can't lie.

[@EMPANAO321]

Yee

[@davidgray4138]

This comment aged well. Unfortunately there’s been a slight rebrand and Leo has dropped the “Longevity”

[@harrispapadakis8523]

@@davidgray4138 Dude, you think you are playing in a movie or sth and saying lines and catchphrases? What a fucking retard you are, the guy is probably murdered and everyone is having a hard time finding the truth. Justice for Leo.

[@theonenamedoz1601]

That bicep vein is getting gnarly

[@LindormAce]

The thing you said about genetic was spot on you even see greg doucette praise genetics and oh its all genetic and defending other ped users when in reality its the drugs who are carrying there entire physique currently

[@houseofaction]

gregg has never said its only genetics. he correctly said that most people will not see any gains even with PEDs because they do not have the genetics. he also correctly stated that he has taken PEDs in the past. but currently the only PEDs he is on is TRT because he has to because he is too old to keep up his older regime naturally

[@GVS]

37:00 shocking reveal

[@joemacedo782]

Awesome video man. Love your take on things like this.

[@Qiuziarui]

But I’m only on HRT, only 200 mg of test a week. Basically natural, right? Smh

[@jonduke4748]

PEDs will multiply any effort made directly into hypertrophy. Liquid tonnage is a perfect description. The results you will get from the same training will be multiplied by significant amounts depending on the dosage and in theory even a small dosage will propel the gains well beyond what would be possible with natural training, hence you can and do see that even sub-optimal training will produce superior results because their effort is multiplied directly into gainz a LOT by the drugs. a 50 pound of muscle in a BB-pro difference is significant and is not a straw-man argument because 50 pounds is such a stupidly large difference (compare elite natty to elite drug user and note the still significant difference) Genetics will not account for such a difference unless you've got extremely rare *disorders*. Then these people become GREEK GODS IN HUMAN FORM on drugs.

[@AleksDimitroww]

Bro wtf is this biceps vein ur almost as lean as blahino

[@xilpes6254]

It's just slight vascularity, you can also attain it while being natty

[@ENTRIFICE]

Bravo, NH. Bravo! Great watch and awesome arguments.

[@tariqo16]

I was talking about the same topic just about 2 hours ago with my friend he thought he can look like David laid and I had to give him realistic standards

[@brunocarneiro9688]

I actually think it is achievable naturally. The difference is that its probably going to take years to get there. No like david laid that had that body at 20...

[@dvsavocs5290]

@@brunocarneiro9688 he is extremely lean, if you're lean by nature you might be able to maintain that, but maybe not progress due to leanness. for someone who used to be chubby and slimmed down staying at that body fat % would feel like death

[@brunocarneiro9688]

@@dvsavocs5290 he is gifted when it comes to leaness, but that is pretty much it. I am 3 years older than him and i think i have decent genetics. Always had decent glutes, hamstrings and calves and this guy destroyed me in a couple of years. And his baseline is shit. He looked like a skeleton...

[@dvsavocs5290]

@@brunocarneiro9688 ah yes for sure, I was just mentioning that if you come from a fatter base staying that lean is almost impossible

[@Shak61]

This content just gets better and better👌

[@fazzolarijames]

This is eerily similar to discussing the normalisation of trans kids & athletes in society from the top down. My mind is blown by how easily the same arguments could be applied.

[@Everest_Climber]

The welfare state society NEEDS the public to be dependent upon it. Why do we need taxation? To fund the welfare state. Why do we need the welfare state? Because we are all obese, infirm, addicted, lazy, badly educated, mentally ill. Why are we like this? Because the welfare state encourages it. In the UK it's said that 1 in 50 of ALL men aged 16 to 60 are depenedent on testosterone (Netherlands has similar numbers). Yet these drugs are illegal. The state could stop this if they wanted to. Look at how protests are crushed, how books are banned, how people were forced to wear masks in public (when masks were known to be of no use). The welfare state says "drugs are illegal, but we'll ignore the law and you can have them for personal use". So the welfare state PRETENDS to care about welfare but in truth just wants the public dependent upon it. Something similar can be argued about the lies about "cholesterol causes atherosclerosis" then the state tells us "eat these toxic seed oils and take statins for the last 40 years of your life".

[@zerrodefex]

Yep very close parallels between the groups and their dishonest arguments.

[@rayellthedruid2971]

@natural hypertrophy Hey! 👋🏽 I'm probly your target audience. Life time natty former fatty. I'm still cutting from my 10 year bulk lol and I take nothing harder than caffine and creatine. I assume one day I'll hit my natural limit. I looked like you when I was 18 and now I'm a soggy mess. It struck me watching these fitness channels "hey its not cheating its just getting to the goal faster..as long as it's safe." My ego won't allow me to take PEDs. And this video helped reinforce I made the correct decision. Thanks for helping people.

[@lifetime_chronic_insomniac5603]

Alphadestiny gave you a shout-out in his recent video man!!

[@samburger7715]

Nice bro

[@samburger7715]

Hater. Prolly skinny fat or roider

[@tiagofranco6029]

@@samburger7715 what? wtf are these answers

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

I saw. He's a good dude

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

I was waiting for this

[@Indyshooter]

Great video. Was not expected to watch it full, but totally watched. Great points and reality check. Actually i would love to hear Derek from MPMD response to this.

[@fichshreds2661]

Venom in the background is strategically positioned to convey a message? haha

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

38:47 that look xD love it

[@doom2797]

There is a price for everything and theres an illusion of saving time or getting ahead etc but thats an oversimplification, instant gratification ruins work ethic and patience and kills any real fulfillment. Father time keeps track and we all pay for shortcuts and cutting corners. Only with consistency and patience with proper optimization and efficiency without excess compromise to quality of life can you pay the lowest price, feel you've genuinely earned the benefits, and fully enjoy them.

[@abodhoms1092]

Dude I can't agree with you more on the point that drugs won't make someone big because genetics. I hired a coach for a period of time, and I couldn't stay with him because i found out that this guy always blames his genetics but the idiot uses the same app for tracking training and diet, and He literally ate cookies, chips, pizza, burgers and drank full fat chocolate milk for as far as i can go back in his history, and he barely f*cking trains. I'm not gonna mention the weed, alcohol and his sleep but I'll leave to you to imagine.

[@alejandrofernandez9466]

Hormones in the body act just as messengers, we should think more about the reasons our bodies are so reluctant to build contractile tissue naturally rather than the "advantages" of forcing them to do so through the use of drugs.

[@user-jr3zr2mp9c]

Bc they are energetically expensive, so the body doesnt want to build any unnecessary stuff and energy that could be going to other systems, that's why steroids blow you up, they stop the inhibition of the rate at which you build muscle

[@pavelandonov3345]

It's very strange how yt fitness has shaped in the last few years. When I started watching videos about bodybuilding in 2015 it was looked down upon guys that were on peds. Nowadays the roiders seem to be the most popular on the platform Anyways, I've never had any interest in any sort of drugs because I am too health conscious but I disagree with you on naturals being better than roiders. It all comes to a personal choice and as long as you are honest about it, it's fine. Problem is, as you said, barely anyone on peds is completely honest

[@mistermoaronn228]

Great video, but purely out of curiosity I have to ask. What are your thoughts on some one in their 50's-60's who's been a life time natty and they get Dr prescribed TRT to treat a low T? I know that even TRT of "natural" levels gives you a leg up in free T vs a natty but if it therapeutically can enhance the life quality of a person would you still see it as bad?

[@davepazz580]

I think he's referring here only to people with KZbin channels or hot Instagram pages who make a living off of their physique... not an average guy who uses TRT for other purposes.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

At this age, as long as it's therapeutic (aka not from a TRT clinic), I don't have an issue with that.

[@user-by5cj8sw2m]

@@NaturalHypertrophy Yeah, TRT “clinics” often give 1,5-2,5 times more than actually therapeutic

[@i-See256]

That bicep vein running sideways is super impressive.

[@nathanielphillips6792]

loving the buggy sama shirt

[@samburger7715]

Thx for these videos. Few spread the truth ! 👍

[@Friend329]

Derek from More plates more dates has entered the chat.

[@billbergmann7840]

What is your opinion on michael gundill's pull up style? and what do you think of his books (Methode Delavier)

[@JokinJoe]

You should do a live workout. Just to see how you train. Id give you some super chats to support you.

[@steezyg23]

Loving the NH movies

[@sadiewoodley255]

Now I’ve heard the French version of “I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you”

[@MattL-e1p]

A breath of fresh air

[@Forward.4]

20:15 almost spit out my drink from laughing

[@powertreadssupremacy]

NH, what's your opinion on Matt Wenning? As a strength/performance biased lifter, Wenning warmups are my favorite way of warming up. I know he's enhanced but I've taken a lot from him.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

He's a strength guy so I don't have much to say about him other than he's well respected

[@theswiftphil8789]

To say that my understanding of fitness has always been "its all fake and misleading" has lead my personal fitness down a very slow and learning path as I never felt I could trust any information I'd try and research and find on the internet as I studied drugs before I even considered lifting and I wanted to know how these drugs worked and I found very compelling reasons why I can never allow myself to be dependant on something that hurts me. So im natural and always have been, but I was born athletic... had a naturally defined and cut 6 pack since I was 9 and I wasn't anorexically skinny either I just had musculature at a young age from early puberty... I was fast able bodied and agile but late into my teens I noticed my physique wasn't growing at the same pace as my height and at 18 I stood 6'0 weighed 140 lbs and while I was muscularly defined all over and didn't look boney I was underweight and felt I had parts of my body that were skinny in comparison to the rest and this lead to me wanting to feel that strength that health and that self satisfaction i had as a younger child.... so I wanted to train and found little to nothing online and on KZbin to aid in my effort, so I went to what I knew... bodyweight exercise pushups and variations, pull up, leg lifts, scissor legs, decline situps, and I got bigger and stronger and it combined with my very labor intensive time absorbing job allowed me to while having a tight schedule and only weekends to properly train, I progressed but I truly was able to work and manage a full program 5 days a week in tandem with my work when I found youre channel and youre character and content was everything I was looking for in my, up until that point, self managed with little to no knowledge of natural fitness and gaining muscle other than what I felt in my body when I exersized and what i had in common sense. I improved drastically and im still dedicated and progressing like a never ending walk though its becoming more of a challenge. Im from the states and I've recommended youre content and some of your programs which I've modified for my specific needs as my build is very odd with tall slender but also disproportionate muscularity with forearms I intimidatingly larger than my biceps but I was able to mostly remedy that skinny 6 packed Popeye appearance I had with information and advice that I was able to collect from youre videos. Just a true thank you from one man trying to improve himself, to another. YT fitness really needs you now.

[@mpp9993]

Hey, alphadestiny name dropped you in his last vid and recommended your channel.

[@LTPottenger]

I agree with most of it but not all of it. Genetics are real in amount of muscle you pack on and what areas you have that look good, you also can't just take more PEDs and turn into Lee Priest or Ronnie Coleman or thousands of guys would. However most people don't come close to any limits because they are too inconsistent, too lazy in the gym or don't have any idea what they are doing due to watching too many crazy yt videos. It also takes many years for this to be an issue and the guys giving up usually give up around 2-3 years and assume they are as good as they can get which is not remotely the case.

[@tiagofranco6029]

Be careful NH!! A highly skilled mercenary may come for your property in Paris and your magic Egyptian Lamp! You can give me them, I'll safeguard them for you.

[@154Marc]

So... about the mansion... is it still available?

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Sold. But I have a manor in the Mariana Trench available for the low low price of 19 999$. It's currently inundated so you can't visit it beforehand. Cash only.

[@Neon-Puritan]

@@NaturalHypertrophy I'll be taking *that!* It'll go well with my screen-door submarine.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

@ 8:50 What about an injury that refuses to grow!?

[@eddysanremo2461]

I have a friend who, few years ago, was naturally trained for over 18 months and decided to do a cycle of Anavar. After that, he felt flat as fuck and never took training seriously since... Sad... Don't take chances, stay natural

[@Han-nk3io]

Yeah man Ped only increase recovery and help you train harder ,they wont build muscle alone . Everytime i hear this i laugh my ass off.

[@matty956]

Never considered ped's in my life but even I feel attacked watching this lmao

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Good

[@Joe_Pittard]

Based

[@user-by5cj8sw2m]

But why?

[@anonymousman4419]

​@@user-by5cj8sw2mI'm probably projecting, but he probably bought into the "genetics" bullsh*t.

[@StopMasturbating]

On The PED Users And Their Lies

[@leltraco1983]

Thanks God for give me the gift of having a good judgment to know who to follow on internet about the topics I'm interest in, and not just follow whoever 5M subs channels that upload garbage content, Natural is the only way!!

[@ASilentGuy]

thank you for helping me see the flaw in my jealousy of ped slaves

[@adonosssi]

Good video 👍

[@boxman_ninja0819]

Yo what do you do for a living. You put out so much organized content especially recently. How do you have all this time lol. Or is it because you "work harder than Coach Greg".

[@andrewkln1486]

an hour or two a day isn't all the day my friend

[@boxman_ninja0819]

@@andrewkln1486 he needs to brainstorm and script the content for an hour long or two hour long video which takes very long

[@andrewkln1486]

@@boxman_ninja0819 still i don't think that'll add much time

[@boxman_ninja0819]

@@andrewkln1486 your opinion is independent of the truth

[@andrewkln1486]

@@boxman_ninja0819 maybe.. or maybe you just think of the too little as too much

[@babisnikolis5025]

How would you answer to the argument that even though you say we can't take advice from them you still have and an example is the Arnold raise?

[@LTPottenger]

Because that is nothing to do with programming. Also, arnold trained like the old school bodybuilder so his programs would actually work if you toned down the volume. This training is also idea for people on PEDs too but it is a lot harder to do it and takes some brains and a tough body and not everyone has that. With the crazy drugs many take today they would rip their pecs off in no time doing what he did.

[@randymarsh4750]

What do you think of derek more plates more dates?

[@jacobxa]

Are you anti- psychedelic drug use as well? Like for authentically spiritual/growth purposes. Interested in your perspective. It wouldn’t change mine because it’s very well thought out, but my perspective on PED use was not very well thought out (I fully understood it would prevent me from being fully authentic, yet I condoned its use for others), and you helped me fully solidify my perspective on that, so I definitely respect your opinion. Thanks. Just subscribed. 💯

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

I believe that psychedelics when used within a culturally relevant ritual can help expand your consciousness. The modern practice of taking acid just to escape reality though I despise.

[@jacobxa]

I want you to know that as a result of your videos I’m going to be singing an entirely different tune on this topic, and I give advice all the time (never unsolicited; they ask) to young guys who lift - so it will certainly indeed actually make an impact. And there are probably dozens and dozens, at least, of people like me that you’ve influenced.

[@jacobxa]

^^ (talking about the PED’s not the entheogens)

[@GloomGenetics]

thank you for the knoweledge, and company, not gonna lie, i was very close to start gear / ped use, you were a voice of reason for me brother, thank you, i was gonna do peds for the sole porpuse of being very insecure of my body and no confidence.

[@gregoriomiller8241]

You are still insecure of your body and small

[@gregoriomiller8241]

Lol

[@gregoriomiller8241]

Found the mentally deficient natty to scared to pin awww

[@benjaminscott1240]

Good for you man. The confidence will come along with experience and mastery in the gym.

[@agentperry8347]

Projection lol ​@@gregoriomiller8241

[@formidableplays4750]

16:02 : A rare case of NH pronouncing the H's

[@PiercerOfTheHeavens]

Just watched Buggy the Pirate Clown yell at me for 1hour straight.

[@originalhacks735]

the new new testament