The many lies of PED users (part. 2)

[@seemoresmoke8264]

does this mean in some alternate universe there is a channel called unnatural hypertrophy where a frenchman with a heart the size of a bowling ball and enough gear in his system to kill a elephant herd gives 15 year olds advice on how to pin their first cycle

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

yes

[@ChevySamk]

he speaks french in every video but in an american accent. bonjour youtube

[@Decimate_The_Flesh]

Unnatural atrophy

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

Natural aptrophy

[@getjacked]

What’s your thoughts on turkesterone French man?

[@joshi4450]

Bro did you watch the video, it's another magic pill. It's sarms all over again, the sides just havent been revealed yet

[@aegypiusmonachus]

The virgin turkesterone vs the chad frenchesterone.

[@25rasc]

Based

[@are3287]

If I take steroids, there are two possible outcomes 1) I will become so huge everyone can tell I'm on steroids 2) I won't even look like I'm on steroids Neither of these is a desirable outcome.

[@suckonthebigtoe279]

Interesting take

[@Zoronoa01]

It's the Pascal's wager of PED

[@ΑλεξανδροςΑμανατιδης-ι7ε]

If you were accused that you used stuff even when you are natty then being on juice and look like it doesn't really matter to you. I am talking about using for competing not to walk around to impress girls.

[@АлександрВасильев-т6б]

Second happens in 99+% of cases:(

[@hercules911]

I absolutely agree, bro. Unfortunately, at the age of 20 I fell victim to PEDs. I knew about the side effects from the start but For whatever reason I thought it would happen to me. I’m 23 now. Hair loss, ED, possible organ damage, the whole 9 yards. It really pisses me off because these drugs aged my body prematurely and I wish I didn’t because I never even gave myself a chance to know my body’s capabilities naturally and in hindsight, I didn’t even know myself that well at all. I appreciate that you’re on here preaching this word. Like you said, if I could go back in time and pelt myself with bananas, I would.

[@Kaloian_Ivanov]

How did you even managed that in 3 years?Were you 3 on straight?Honestly you either are lying or champion of idiocy!

[@marioroulett]

Thank you for that anecdotal proof of the PEDs side effects, you make me realize how lucky I am of finding this channel before I got sucked in to the fitness industry trash of nowadays. It could of ended up ruining my life. Hope u find a solution to ur problems and you achieve the beautiful benefits of the natty path again.

[@ihebbendebba2978]

Yes, but my body is visibly aging pretty rapidly. I am 21 years of age and I look twice older as NH. He mentioned, in later occurrences that he was a Millenial, putting him around 35-40 years of age. The dude looks young and even so ff 2 years later he grew his hair even more I even have stretch marks and wrinkles on my face. Thus being in this state of affairs, the aging part seems the last of my concerns.

[@kammerverschluZ]

26 k subs?

[@Verbux]

@@Kaloian_Ivanov You sound like a vegan. Oh you can't be a PED user, PED users don't get side-effects!

[@kimborampage]

I commented in a MPMD video that TRT users get their manhood from a doctor’s note and they got tricked by the TRT industry to get hooked on a drug for life. People were pissed as expected.

[@johncalla2151]

Seems like the better route is to fix the underlying issues (unless it's a physical deformity like a tumor, etc.)? Everyone's hopping on TRT as "the solution" it feels like.

[@kimborampage]

@@johncalla2151 yeah I’m only talking about the people who get on TRT who never needed it. They didn’t have a pituitary tumor or hypogonadism or some other disease. They were simply unhealthy people who didn’t try to fix themselves. I’d guess that the majority or TRT users never had a medical condition.

[@naturalstrength8393]

@@kimborampage Why can't they just stop the trt? So what if they have low testosterone and can't produce their own anymore? It's not like they'll die

[@kimborampage]

@@naturalstrength8393 Low T feels terrible and causes other issues.

[@Tee468]

@@kimborampage most guy's low t problems would probably be sloved by changing to a good diet (meeting macros and micros), good sleep (adequate hours and actual deep REM sleep), and exercise (skipping cardio and only lifting weights is not good enough, heart rate needs to be elevated higher and longer)

[@gainer448]

I am seeing many ads of juiceheads "explaining" to us on how to look like them and never getting to the actual point. I guess they just have better quality Chicken Broccoli and Rice than I do.

[@gickygackers]

They always get to the point, to pay for their extravagant lifestyle.

[@slavaukrainitv2716]

Jojo Blabla's physique is better than any ped user .

[@Divine_Rays]

Natural Hypertrophy: The Sequel

[@sir0nion]

Would you think less of me if I used BTLDs? (Body Temperature Lowering Drugs)

[@gickygackers]

@@sir0nion yes

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

I also was tempted by sarms because of some KZbinr who claimed if has no side or negative effects, only benefits. So the next days I made my own research outside KZbin, looking for actual studies and scientific data + individual anecdotes from people who used them. After a couple of weeks I learned everything I needed to know, that basically sarms are completely garbage with tons of side effects, and decided not to take them. No long after that I found your channel and I'm now convinced I will stay natty for life.

[@cutechicken2534]

Nice work dude . The thing is there is not enough scientific research on the long - term health risks of sarms , and hence these guys think it is perfectly safe . From the data we do have , sarms seems like nerfed steroids . And once you start sarms , you might upgrade to the real juice . Tiktok is even worse , teens promoting sarms to other teens .

[@texasbeaver8188]

This is why I have a lot to thank NH for. I was always convinced I'd never do PEDs. That it would mean me turning "corrupt", so to speak. But NH showed me there's still *glory* in staying natural. Even if PED users are still physically dominant. Despite everyone saying naturals aren't cool. They are passé - as they say in French. Imo, before NH, the natural BB scene was pretty dead. There was still AlphaDestiny, and Scott Herman. Maybe Nether?.. haha. But everyone seemed to lack confidence in calling themselves "natural", lest they'd be considered, "cringe." It's funny how the term "Noble Natural" was used to be disparaging, but turned into a label of pride. Albeit facetiously. It's also interesting how ppl saw NH as being preachy, but what he really was, was proud. That's not exactly something other naturals were like. Coming from those tempted by PEDs, it's expected they'd see things that way. (Not trying to be antagonistic/tribal here.) Depressed natties no more...

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

"Steroid's have been vilified" "A careful use of steroids will not have any negative side effects" These are some of the top answers you find in various threads. It's no wonder so many young people are jumping head first into the drugs.

[@chrisstanley9477]

Ah just what i needed for today. Another NH documentary. This is the beginning of the garage arc where Juan blahno is stationed outside and formed a perimeter around our boi. Will NH prevail from the epitome of coaths intimidating prescence. Find out in the Next episode of DRAGONBALL Z!!!!

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

@@swoletricep6780 And let's (s)talk about this...

[@TheMetalikaH]

Im waiting to see what the author will come up with for the next arc

[@tuskundertalon7256]

NH: "You will not be the exception" "But what if I'm the main character"

[@hemingway3508]

Say what you want about steroids, but they helped coath achieve a bigger body than serge nubret. 100% worth it in my opinion.

[@chrisstanley9477]

@@swoletricep6780 Ryback*

[@g111_]

@@swoletricep6780 blaha is much bigger than rich piana as well

[@blahasdirtysock3657]

@@g111_ like a young Arnold Schwarzenegger

[@mrmrsh8tr]

He reminds me of a bigger and leaner Konstantin Konstantinovs

[@blahasdirtysock3657]

@@mrmrsh8tr the second coming of Zyzz

[@jonnyjonasjohnson3650]

I'm super against steroids but man, If I could choose a drug to disappear it would be tobacco; smokers piss me off on a whole new level

[@copeenthuisiast5453]

I like Smoking couple of times a year

[@amdimilker5773]

Yet you've got gyno

[@buira9482]

Nothing more gross than coming home after partying and having to shower while drunk because otherwise people's tobacco smell with stick to my hair. Nasty ass shit, go do drugs that don't impregnate my clothes.

[@anonymousman4419]

​@@buira9482Alcohol is not that much better either

[@weakest_serb]

​@@anonymousman4419 I will say that it is significantly better. I live in an area of the world (ex Yugoslavia) where smoking is the highest in the world, and it annoys me way more than alcohol. Kids here start smoking at 13 and get addicted for life. Atleast most people here only drink at parties, but smokers need to smoke a pack of day everyday or they get crazy withdrawals. They lose all sense of morals, and start going from person to person and start begging for money to buy cigarettes. Everyone in my family has smoked or still smokes (except me), and I know that they will die younger because of it. Alcohol is easier to quit (atleast in my opinion) because it isn't something you drink daily. If you distance yourself from the party culture, you will not even feel like drinking. Smoking isn't like that because you do it all of the time, and quiting leads to a massive withdrawal. Alcohol still has addiction problems, especially if you use it to cope with difficult situations, but it is still overall easier to deal with.

[@getjacked]

Also feel like most PED users never have heard The Tortoise and the Hare as a kid

[@cattlecumwewlad6941]

Except in this example the Tortoise is completely incapable of surpassing the Hare

[@spitfirekryloff744]

@@cattlecumwewlad6941 Well if the hare dies of a heart attack mid-way through the race...

[@narutorandomness457]

@@spitfirekryloff744 the perfect reply

[@narutorandomness457]

@@cattlecumwewlad6941 the hare will die

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

"You can't talk about mass shooters if you're not one yourself." Yup, that's the drugs users mentality.

[@leonidas8513]

Not really relevant with the video but why are PED users usually red? I see many bodybuilders looking like they're sunburnt 24/7

[@kimborampage]

It’s from high blood pressure.

[@leonidas8513]

@@kimborampage ty :)

[@zerrodefex]

They're producing excessive red blood cells, they often have to donate blood frequently to reduce the red look. Elevated hematocrit in blood tests is often a sign that PEDs have been used recently.

[@Wayf4rer]

My favorite one is when guys to downplay how effective peds are when it's literally been proven you can build more muscle sitting on your ass and eating like shit than training and eating right as a natural.

[@lennardgalander5729]

I may be wrong but i thought the weight that the participants in those studies gained was mostly water retention from the steroids not actual muscle

[@draker696]

@@lennardgalander5729 you're wrong, it was muscle.

[@kariusbaktus165]

@@lennardgalander5729 You are correct, but you'll never see these people let it go. Anyone who doesn't have shit for brains understand you'll build more muscle training as a natty compared to doing absolutely nothing while juicing. But hey, it got published in a study and studies have never been wrong, fallacious, dishonest or retracted..

[@Wayf4rer]

@@kariusbaktus165 This isn't up for debate. Exogenous hormones keep you in an anabolic state as long as you take them. Naturals need to train frequently because lifting itself is the catalyst for muscle protein synthesis, meanwhile a guy on even just test will be anabolic 24/7. Why do you think pro bodybuilders train body parts once per week? The answer is because they don't need the extra frequency to restart muscle protein synthesis thanks to those very same hormones. This is also why you can get huge on gear standing at the cable machine. Stop downplaying the effectiveness of peds and being an apologist for it.

[@kariusbaktus165]

@@Wayf4rer It absolutely isn't up for debate, gj. All your examples are of people training while on gear, we are talking about NOT training while on gear. This is basic logic - on/off, 0/1, yes/no, etc. How can you not see there is a difference between not training(off) and training(on). I mean, gz..

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

16:27 Antoine Vaillant did a post about that. How he was a drug addict before, how terrible it was and blablabla and some people in the comments pointed that out, that he's still injecting drugs, he just changed one drug to another. In fact, I thought he was talking about steroids, it took me a while to realize he was talking about other drugs.

[@kimborampage]

Similar situation to Bostin Loyd. He is clearly a severe drug addict.

[@oooooba8343]

yeah, his previous addiction was worse though.

[@strongwiseandfree]

So many guys get off alcohol and heroin with the help of the gym, but turn to steroids and get addicted to drugs all over again.

[@Daniel-td9op]

Imagine a bizarro dimension where Christ's dream in The Last Temptation of Christ is history and NH is unnatural.

[@Daniel-td9op]

@@swoletricep6780 Unnatural Hypertrophy. P.S.: Bald.

[@ENTRIFICE]

37:55 this part had me holding back tears. It really does show the weakness of people who get exactly what they worked toward and still ask for compassion.

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

You completely destroyed these PED's users and i like it. Almost all of them are a bunch of liars and not worth any compassion or consideration. I'll never feel sorry for them. Ever.

[@cattlecumwewlad6941]

Cope

[@anonymousman4419]

​@@cattlecumwewlad6941We all know who's coping. The obvious p*ssy of the equation.

[@Boddah.]

I believe it's better to call the side effects of PEDs the harms of PEDs.

[@steveframe4802]

Was a Gym next door when I was a kid in the 70s. I got part time Janitor work. I was around Mr Britain competitors. A guy got gynecomastia. Had his bitch tits cut out. Got septicemia. Nearly died.Shocking . Stay away from PEDs , the risk reward is a no brainer. Have a Tuna sandwich , go to the Gym . Dog it out. Go home . Grow . Safe.

[@kaizenproductions00]

I'm thinking about a career as a psychiatrist and I find these types of psychologically focused videos to be gold mines for insight. Edit: I really mean clinical psychology

[@fichshreds2661]

Kids in hospitals are the real warriors. Can confirm 👍

[@aminbrahimi8499]

I really loved that example of the child being ill and not complaining and consoling their father compared to a PED user who complains I love it! Natraul bodybuilding always!

[@vancedaniels5180]

I do too. Natural weight training for the win.

[@bio-plasmictoad5311]

I'm was a heroin addict for seven years, you only keep using to keep from getting sick. I quit training because of my addiction, but I back at it now I don't have that monkey on my back. So the last thing I would want to do is have anything to do with needles again.

[@liftingwizard3431]

Bless you man keeping the brotherhood of iron pure

[@mattc4266]

Dude you gotta address those skull crushers ....

[@Luke-id1cp]

What skullcrushers

[@mattc4266]

@@Luke-id1cp that’s what he called them

[@EscanorHelios]

his skullcrushers look like "pullovers" because he has scoliosis. I think he addressed in an earlier video.

[@mattc4266]

@@EscanorHelios what does that have to do with scoliosis ... the shoulder extension is fine but the lack of elbow extension isn’t .

[@rage6224]

@@mattc4266 my rom is pretty similiar to his since extending more always gave me elbow discomfort maybe it's the same case for him

[@jermasbiggestfan7796]

On the Juiceheads and Their Lies

[@davepazz580]

I did hear Greg Doucette mention in one of his videos that he is "most likely" shortening his lifespan because of his past and current PED use...

[@MV-ch3mm]

There are some enhanced bbs alive, but I grew up watching a lot of them die. And my journey hasn't been that long. But Zyzz, Piana, Dallas McCarver... Also a lot of women getting wrecked by roids. I too once felt like taking that shit, although it was mostly a young naive version of me wanting more and more. I'm content now.

[@OJA-jf7bp]

Bloho is the perfect example of peds not panning out for everybody.

[@evergreen4034]

One of the best reasons IMO to NOT use PED’s is the fact it’s just a real F around. You’re already dealing with training, diet recovery, injury prevention etc. This is already much more than most people want to deal with. Do you really want to have to research the compounds including ancillaries for estrogen and progesterone management, PCT etc, then research the UGL/brand. Then, even if you want to half ass it you’ll need to research local labs so you can at least make sure your gear isn’t fake and at some point make sure your lipids and blood count isn’t so out of whack you’re one bad day away from a massive heart attack. Basically it’s just gonna be more time, money, effort and discomfort than you’re gonna want to deal with. Even if you have 0 health problems (you very well might not have any drastic issues) you’re gonna have to deal with having test levels lower than the average 80 year old woman for at least a couple months, but it’s likely you’ll have low t for longer than that, AND their is a chance you won’t start producing test naturally and will be on TRT for life at an early age (this was supposed to be a TL:DR but ended up longer than the OP lol)

[@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329]

I was just thinking about this. It takes a sh1t ton of work to get your pharmacology right, but also putting PEDs ontop of regular training also makes it nearly impossible to suss out what works for you. Normally you have to control a single variable at a time (volume, intensity, diet, sleep) and see the change in results, whereas with PEDs you are stacking another variable which will change the rest of the variables because different compounds function and respond to different types of training, diet, sleep, etc. It makes it nearly impossible to perfect your training. I think this is also why the majority of PED users deflate like a shitty pathetic balloon animal when they hop off. They never ended up learning how to train

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

Wasn't expecting that Bob Sponge edit after that rant about life and death lol

[@jakesustarsic533]

Recently there was a documentary on Boston Loyd and in it I saw an article he wrote, he said "I 100% believe that you can take steroids and stay healthy" I was a Boston fan for the longest time, but seeing that made me lose a lot of respect for him

[@20timesshoota27]

"F*ck muscles, tonnage is the most important thing in life" - NH

[@sadiewoodley255]

Re the “Get what deserve” at 36min: there is a Buddhist concept called “idiot compassion” which is basically a farcical or chimera compassion. It’s being dishonest about reality and enabling someone’s self destruction or folly, and presenting such a lie as a kindness. But in fact idiot compassion is one of the most harmful things you can do to another person. Because you are actively helping them destroy themselves while pretending to be their friend. NH, I think you would find Buddhist principles very interesting to explore. It would be great to see if your add some of those texts to the educated barbarian series.

[@dvsavocs5290]

this hits different after John Meadows' death

[@fazzolarijames]

What you’re describing at 45m is called the “liar’s negotiation”.

[@ghostpengi9629]

1:00:29 evil towtiergod be like

[@NoNono-o3h]

Lmao i thought the samd

[@formidableplays4750]

The idea of drugs being like a living, breathing parasite truly hit me different. The lone thought of that gives me goosebumps. Just imagine: All sorts of drugs are different parasites with their own systems of "benefits" and temptations that they have evolved into having to leach on a host (user). Then, once you get hooked, to keep you engaged they give you that "good, bad moment" relationship that NH has talked about at the begining; all to deepen your addiction. After that's been done, they begin to consume your mind and body, make you miserable, and later kill you. But that's not it. While you're alive, under the influence of the parasite (steroids), deep down you feel insane guilt for ruining your life, so you try to bury it in lies that you tell yourself. However, you realize that there are still people outside of your addicted community that you know can dig out the truth you're so desperately trying to bury. Therefore, you go against them by targeting younger and less experienced generation (because they are easiest to influence) pushing an opinion that introducing a parasite to your body is actually an amazing thing to do. And by doing so, you normalize the usage, and even make it seem as a good thing by always talking about all the said "benefits" of the drug. All of that results to more and more people being hooked, and the parasite (drug) spreading itself unto more users, leading to its "reproduction". Then the cycle repeats. In conclusion, the "parasite" makes itself known to the future host through already affected hosts. Then, playing on its (potential) hosts' emotion (such as ego) it gives the temptations of all the "benefits that it can provide". Once that person takes the bait, the parasite infects them. Then, as it is are inside the body and the host realizes that what they did was a mistake, the parasite uses the same emotions making the host gaslight itself and others into believing that there's nothing wrong about the said parasite. The rest is fairly straight forward.

[@kamo7293]

call them what they are. drugs, and drug abusers. don't fancify it, glorify it, sell them to impressionable people.

[@MCppp]

Compound this with tren stories on MPMD, you will be 100000% convinced

[@selfhelp9175]

Poking a needle in your thigh or bum every 2-3 days for the rest of your life is not worth it. Reminds me of a dieing sick person who has to take 30 pills a day to stay alive.

[@gabelonguinhos]

You equate compassion with outright condoning of these habits. They are not the same thing. I can understand why such people would piss you off, just know you can feel their suffering and also try to help. Which is basically what you are trying to do anyway. So 🤷

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

2:51 4:33 "PEDs are amazing" - Natural Hypertrophy, 2021 -

[@anonymousman4419]

"Top 10 fitness KZbinrs who sold out"

[@abhishekchaudhry80]

Hairloss just one word that all it takes for me never touch the substaince but still I will watch the video anyway

[@shred9475]

Dutasteride.

[@Boddah.]

@@shred9475 Impotence.

[@shred9475]

@@Boddah. hcg + hmg.

[@Boddah.]

@@shred9475 Or save your money, health and just stay natty.

[@shred9475]

@@Boddah. some people want to have a godly physique. So everyone is free tp do whatever the fuck they want. Being a natty isn't morally superior.

[@mcgullible5212]

I would have never thought you were one of those natural limit virgin ectomorph I need PEDs to look big bro. Glad we didn't lost a brother on the path of natural hypertrophy.

[@superyan4100]

We think exactly the same way, spending money to die sooner is the definition of stupidity.

[@simonh1791]

27:00 that gets me too man, in the UK they all say "here for a good time, not a long time" utter nihilism

[@adamek9750]

Is there anyone that has never been tempted by PEDs? Maybe it was because of my fast noob gains, but I have never felt like going to the next level.

[@understrengthbuild8040]

Copying Bloach's breakfast chat format. Smart! All you need now is some bahhson & rice, and a plyo box!

[@LeoAndBelphi]

Incredible video. AWESOME

[@Millogang_]

It's a double edge sword being in this industry. You can decide to do whatever you what but, is it really all great to be a fitness influencer? A real fitness influencer? Taking steroids and flexing on Camera, not providing any applicable training advice is for sure garbage influence , let alone how relevant is to be an influencer nowdays. Btw, sick spongebob edit😂

[@Alareiks1177]

I wish for a world where every PED is banned and all WR in every sport that were set after PEDs were introduced get discarded.

[@Vrilnigga_88]

Chest lookin quite volumous

[@jebbakebaabba]

So jealous of your body, looking aesthetic.

[@dancarter9360]

These type of videos you post have so much value for people in general, not just lifters.

[@tariqo16]

it's sad and it's also setting an unrealistic goals for powerlifter's and bodybuilder's it's so fucking sad

[@LiverpoolfanINchina]

Name of the bum documentary?

[@Robert_Daniel]

I believe he is referring to the documentary Bigger Stronger Faster (2008)

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

49:14 basically Jordan Peters, that guy can barely breath, he recently said exactly that, he's going to "downsize" xD

[@orlipacheco]

Ppl don’t like the truth, I struggle with opioids after an accident few years ago and is just like u said here,immediately I tho about ped was a better option and this is after been sober for years, healthy and strong but following the wrong ppl sometimes we normalized whatever we need

[@MatheusIM]

Thank you for your time, effort and knowledge to make this video 🙏

[@coath203]

Noti

[@GokuTheGod0104]

I always have 83 minutes to spare. Let’s go!! 💪💪

[@BamBoJam]

We need a multiple video analysis on Zyzz

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

There will be 1

[@BamBoJam]

@@NaturalHypertrophy fair enough

[@atlaspowershrugged]

In the words of Vincent from The Acacia Strain, "Positivity is for fucking losers!"

[@phillipsmilk379]

It's true that they reap what they sow, but I still feel bad for people who die in that way in the same way I feel compassion for other drug addicts who die of an overdose or morbidly obese people addicted to food or suicidal people. It's unnecessary suffering due to weakness of character. Perhaps I'm part of the problem, but for me it's more so their obliterated sense of selves that led them to this kind of degeneracy. They need help but they need to help themselves.

[@JoBlakeLisbon]

They have the same choices anyone else has. It's not like life is a cake walk for everyone else. They know they are doing wrong and do it anyway.

[@unesgang79]

What's with the sound?

[@jermasbiggestfan7796]

It is very bad. Can barely hear it at lower volume, turn it up and its super distorted and blowing my speaker

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

It's garbage for some reason

[@ParrotMan01276]

Slightly off topic, but do you like Jaxblade as a content creator? Thanks for the videos dude.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Yup, he cool

[@malachibrown9054]

Really enjoying this series.

[@pavelandonov3345]

35:10 Yes, I do. I realize their mistake and stupidity but I dislike seeing people miserable

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

You might be too kind

[@johndoe-eh3tv]

46:05

[@vegetasfitnesschannel446]

I feel like a body from steroids simply just isn't relatable.

[@cayden-]

31:12 LMFAO

[@peliac7319]

Excited for the video on zyzz

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Soon(ish)

[@Abdo.R.Mohamed]

The Really messed up thing , that the culture of Pro Bodybuilding and PED users and all their posters across any Gym .. that they actually make young people afraid to build muscle ! i met A LOT of people when we talk and i say something like (So what's your goal in the Gym , building muscle ?) .. they get scared like Oh No no i don't train to build muscles i don't wanna be like that Huge dude Aka IFPP Pro . and they don't understand that u won't get this disgusting look by training Naturally ! People now instantly think when u tell them the word (Bodybuilding) or even i wanna build muscle in the Gym they refer back to IFPP pro and go like Oh no i want a body like Christiano Ronaldo or something i don't wanna build muscle

[@DLife10]

Good video, you are wright, young people take risks, it's like drugs, everyone knows it's bad still they take it, It's like junk food, everyone knows it's bad, still a lot of people eat it.

[@minionmememindset7889]

At the end of the day you choose the kind of life you live. PEDs mean a certain kind of path and I prefer the challenge natty gives. This is not to say there is no challenge with PEDs, but if you go down that path it necessarily either takes over your life or you are basically a fake natty. Neither seem healthy to me, since I have other things in my life than lifting.

[@possessedslig]

25:22 🤣

[@fazzolarijames]

Society has become too liberal and forgiving. It’s a faux pas to shame harmful drug use now (“my body my choice”) but they also aren’t forced to live with the consequences. Too many second chances these days 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ItsJustSolax]

In a Parallel universe there is a unnatural hypertrophy, sounds like a good meme account name 😏

[@mark33030]

Thank you man, you changed my thoughts on PEDs a lot with this video series.

[@dontreadmyname4396]

this is getting sexual

[@respectedmastermind]

THE ORDER OF THE NATTY KNIGHTS

[@finnvanhoutte366]

Bodybuilding is healthy? I get that having muscle is good but getting very lean for doing a show isn't healthy I think

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Getting "very lean" is not true natural bodybuilding

[@user-ui8my9zs7o]

Is TRT okay for someone in their 60s?

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

In trt dosages? Maybe, if your doctor says you really need that. Most people who take trt are over dosing though, that's another different thing, not trt.

[@user-ui8my9zs7o]

@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel yeah i mean mainly for quality of life such was trying to keep bone mass ect

[@kimborampage]

Look up the real reasons for the testosterone drop in menas they age. It’s mostly because of cardiovascular and metabolic diseases. Plaque literally builds up in men’s downstairs.

[@adamek9750]

Absolutely, key word is therapy.

[@dontreadmyname4396]

@@kimborampage and how to fix that

[@prajwalbhardwaj8853]

34:40 You do realise it is their bread and butter right ? Today you can have a youtube channel and do a lot earlier bodybuilding was just bodybuilding and that's just their life they chose. So what next mr. NH you must not be having any sympathy for stuntman too because they brought the risk of life to themselves or people who like to drive fast or are working in other dangerous areas as well. I like your content but don't think that all of us would fanboy on every aspect and agree with you.

[@fabian268]

Tbf i don’t think he expects that. He started off by saying that you’ll probably hate him for saying it lol. That being said, though i don’t have a complete lack of sympathy, i don’t think he’s necessarily wrong for it. It’s not necessarily the same as being a stuntman or fast driver. Because with those you’re risking a good health, but it’s not impossible to avoid compromising it. With PED’s you’re basically ensuring you won’t have a good health. Feeling sympathy more for people that endangered themselves less i think is completely reasonable, so it’s not that unreasonable to not feel sympathy for people that guaranteed themselves a compromised health. Again, not a complete lack of sympathy on my end, but it certainly wont be as much as someone that drove too fast and died in the process.

[@dvsavocs5290]

he doesn't care and has stated multiple times that being in disagreement and not accepting everything he says is healthy, else you become a fanboy. he thinks fanboyism is a mental illness so I think he's happier when you disagree

[@thechickenwhoflew]

Elloo toob

[@LTPottenger]

The muscle itself is very healthy and even the gear is fine in sane doses. No one is meant to pound down 5 lbs of rice a day, even at the cellular level your body eventually won't be able to take it.

[@LTPottenger]

@@Furkan-zf7hu None of that is true. Your muscle is based on adaptation and can happen very fast if you are novice or untrained.

[@NoNono-o3h]

No such thing as sane doses

[@PranjayVarshney]

1:18:52

[@Propraj]

34:40 dude do whatever you want but stop judging others this is a little too far. PED's are one aspect there are various other things in life which we don't talk about and are worse but we don't judge each other on them it's just that this guy talks about ped's this and that like dude ya sure you don't take them I don't too good for us but stop all this like we are better just because we don't take PED's. Life is much more than natty or not or muscle or not it's not a religion.

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

Well, yeah, there's other things in life. But this is a bodybuilding channel. So here we're gonna talk about the good and bad things of the fitness industry.

[@Propraj]

@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel I understand but don't you think the time stamp about which I am talking about is the area where maybe we are taking things a little too far.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Get what deserves

[@himurakenshin8541]

@@NaturalHypertrophy Bro, lol

[@Brassarn]

Hey man enjoying the content. I'm a 15 year "natty" lifter. On and off of course but all in all 15 years since I first touched a weight. I'm doing some workout videos with focus on knowledge sharing, good attitude and motivation. I have a video in my pipeline going into details on the fitness industry, expectations and p e d s. How it distorts perception of fitness and long term body culture. Tips for starting practioners and insights into physiology, practice etc. Just like what you are doing a great job of explaining on your channel IMO. If in youre interest I would gladly invite you for a shorter discussion on lifting and p e d s influence on the strength training community. My story is pretty much the same as yours. Was really interested when young when I realised how much long term hard work progressing naturally would be after 3-4 years of progressive lifting. But decided that I would atleast want to be a proof of what you can du casually as a training individual. Still take pride in that since I know for sure my methology and mentality has worked in hindsight and feel confident in giving advice etc. Anyhow gl forward!

[@hozerberto4886]

I would like to hear what you have to say about PEDs for people who really need ex: soldiers, cops in really dangerous countries, firefighters, people who fight for their country and for society, etc... PEDs are not just for building muscle, why do you think fighters, marathon runners and literally every athlete uses it?

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

Why would those people "really need" peds? Makes no sense... having unnatural muscle won't make them better at their jobs.

[@hozerberto4886]

@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel I’m not talking about muscle, I’m talking recovery, endurance, speed and strength, why do you think fighters take PEDs?

[@alexandriaarmstrong1459]

@@hozerberto4886 PEDs are still really bad for people in those professions because it can alter your judgment.

[@Aron-ve5fe]

Want to deal with a roid raging cop?

[@alexandriaarmstrong1459]

@@Aron-ve5fe exactly.

[@gregoriomiller8241]

Sarms are natty though guys.

[@NoNono-o3h]

Surely

[@GloomGenetics]

ah, found the mentally deficient gear defendent.

[@gregoriomiller8241]

@@GloomGenetics ah found the small natty

[@gregoriomiller8241]

Bro says gear users are mentally deficient when he considered it what a p#ssy

[@malachibrown9054]

Hey, can you make a video about taking PED's vs. TRT? Are they essentially the same thing?

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

This? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHK5o4KNZtxrqM0

[@malachibrown9054]

@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel thank you

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Yes Also I already made one

[@user-jb5qf4zp9p]

discussing peds also increases the social proof leading to more ped users