The Microsoft Monopoly

[@ZILtoid1991]

And now Google does the same with Chrome by breaking their competitors' browsers through their services. KZbin is notoriously buggy on all non-chromium browsers, on Edge the quality switches rapidly between 144p and 240p unless you force it to stay at a certain quality, on Firefox you have to deal with frame freezes even with h264ify.

[@happysmash27]

It works fine for me, at least now that I have a much faster computer than before.

[@noellewastaken]

I can confirm both cases, and even add a *third* case I first tried Edge beacuse it is a browser that actually has potential, but the constant quality changes made it annoying Then I tried it on Firefox, which was my browser of choice on Windows 7, but the frame freezes made it even more annoying than Edge And then, I installed Opera, which used to have Chrome extention compatibility, but, even with the "Chrome compatibility extention", it seems like Google deleted all Extention-related compatibility to Opera And that's the story of how I was forced into Chrome

[@johnbecker3116]

Microsoft edge is now based on chromium

[@TheCandoRailfan]

I often force a video I'm watching to be on a certain quality setting anyways.

[@jm036]

@@noellewastaken Use Brave Browser. Chrome based.

[@thoryan946]

Microsoft still owns 75% of Desktop operating system market share. The monopoly isn't as big as it used to be, but that's still a big monopoly in my eyes. It's nice to see some competition though, but they're still having a hard time.

[@b3njaminkoch]

netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx They actually own 87.56% of the desktop OS market share so I have to agree even more

[@thewiedzmin6062]

It won't last for much longer in my opinion, even people who are "casual users" have started looking for alternatives to the stupid Windows 10. Rich==>macOS MasterRace==>Linux

[@wordart_guian]

I'm somewhat wondering why Android is barely ever decried as a Monopoly?

[@amarioguy]

@@poot6700 No one would buy an Android phone without Google services (Not to mention Android may be open source, but the Google stuff on it is certainly proprietary), so it may not be a monopoly by definition, but it's definitely a de facto monopoly

[@shockwaveexp3465]

@@poot6700 Not exactly, if you even want to use Google's services such as Google Play and APIs, which are closed source, you are required to bundle Google apps or be entirely barred from preinstalling the Play Store or anything related to Google in any phone manufacturered by the OEM. Since most of Android's internet functionality is dependent on Google, you would have just the most basic features. Only in the EU is where Google apps are no longer required to be installed.

[@typingcat]

"Since we believe in user's choice...." "Hahaha." The same can be said about iOS today.

[@lars9925]

​@@nifaso Jeong-hun Sin is absolutely right. Apple doesn't believe in user's choice. Every browser on iOS or OSX have to be based on the WebKit (Safari engine) -> no real choice! Even Google Chrome is a disguised Safari there. Apple doesn't have an OS Monopoly, so nobody calls for government regulation! Why did you make this up? This citation is quite ironic in the current situation! "Since we believe in user's choice...." you can chose between Safari ... and Safari with a different layout.

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

@@nifaso How are gun rights illegal? They are guaranteed by the second amendment

[@TheJudge064]

@@nifaso cool down man

[@lars9925]

@@nifaso I know this. I don't use Apple. But Jobs falsely claims in the video that Apple does believe in user's choice.

[@Mentallysubnormal]

@@nifaso I don't think you know what a definition of a monopoly is. Also yes I am mad that one person can own more money than a small town it makes no sense. (also at one point microsoft was a monopoly at one point but then there was United states v. Microsoft corp. but I don't expect you to know that because the way you type makes me think you're a 12 year old)

[@LloydLynx]

So when internet explorer is excluded from windows 10, that will make firefox the oldest browser still in development.

[@CaelThunderwing]

technically IE in Windows 10 is for Legacy compliance, and their browser Development has Long since shifted to Edge. (unless you count Edge a new version rather than a successor)

[@CommodoreFan64]

Not if you count when Firefox first went by that name in 2002, that would make Opera Browser the oldest with no name changes with it first being released on April 10, 1995.

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

Hasn't they changed their rendering engine? So, that wouldn't be true, at least, from the the backend pov.

[@sundhaug92]

@@CommodoreFan64 Opera is now based on Chromium, as Edge soon will be

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@sundhaug92 Yes, but it's never changed it name, and the company behind it has not changed.

[@MrGeocidal]

10:43 Steve Jobs says "We believe in choice" and then everyone starts laughing.

[@chawza8402]

"but you (consumer) have no choice"

[@Mister5597]

@@chawza8402 Nah... Apple can easily say they give the consumer several options, like silver, dark gray, light gray sometimes red.

[@lmcgregoruk]

Yeah, but they were laughing because they thought when Steve Jobs said, "IE will be the default browser", that meant they were going to HAVE to use IE, but then he said "We believe in choice", they realised, no they can use any browser they like, IE is just going to be set to the DEFAULT browser. Not that they were laughing because they thought Apple don't believe in choice and he was being sarcastic.

[@play005517]

@@lmcgregoruk And Luke was being sarcastic pointing that a notorious closed system provider like Apple said they care about choice.

[@thebristolbruiser]

@@play005517 What closed system? Most of macOS is open source.

[@DomtheDevilsRival]

I remember growing up in the 2000s I used Internet Explorer for everything. As time went on it got worse and worse and starting in early-to-mid 2010s, I flipped between Chrome and Firefox. Eventually I've become a Firefox user.

[@DomtheDevilsRival]

@Analyzing Male Slavery Probably a good thing you did. Also AOL was my other browser of choice back then.

[@soulwolfx2291]

I use vivaldi

[@DomtheDevilsRival]

@Cheryl Everybody has their preference. Fortunately for me firefox works well for me.

[@jessveness]

For the win. Tried Brave?

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

Late, late bloomer.

[@Aranimda]

Microsoft worked so hard to get market dominance with Internet Explorer, and when they finally got it, they became lazy and gave it away to Firefox and Chrome. If MS did not pause development after IE6, they would still be Mr 1 on the Windows browser ecosystem. Yes, IE9, 10 and 11 were good browsers, but came way too late to save IE.

[@harshnemesis]

yeah in 2003 they had 96% of the browser market, that's when they became really lazy.

[@somedude4122]

Wut? They were a nightmare to develop for, and had serious compatibility and security issues.

[@harshnemesis]

They weren't in 2003 and before, since IE had 96% of market share that means everyone could just develop for IE and most did and many told their users to use IE, in early 2000s the "best viewed in internet explorer" in the footer of the website was common.

[@evm6177]

Thats a joke right.. ha ha ha.. it's nothing to do with being lazy, more than a genuine lack of creative drive. They didn't call Bill a sick unimaginative bastard wearing thick glasses for nothing! - Jobs the movie

[@MatchSmith]

Microsoft was never interested in Internet Explorer, they only developed it in order to extinguish Netscape Navigator. At the time there were several startup operating systems....if Netscape Navigator could develope middle-ware for them it would take away the monopoly that Microsoft had/has on 3rd party programs. Think about it, how many people would switch to a different OS if only they could run Photoshop or their favorite games on it. Now we are left with only two mainstream operating systems: Windows and iOS.

[@kuropixeljp]

This was SO well put together. I love your work and this video was just fantastic. I hope you never stop making videos that appeal to tech geeks like me. You deserve way more subscribers and I hope more people discover your channel. Cheers and have a great rest of your day.

[@doctorcraptonicus7941]

What a bizzarre comment. Humans don't talk like this.

[@AndAbel-AOD]

The key to overtaking MS's OS monopoly is gaming. If Linux can offer the same or better experience with all new games, it would be a surefire hit. Valve has made some headway in this regard(although they have become a monopoly as well with Steam), but nowhere near enough to really impact MS.

[@CommodoreFan64]

The big difference is STEAM is not just on Windows, but as you stated Linux, and even MacOS, and speaking of Linux gaming we can't forget Lutris helping make more games playable on Linux, and even GOG although they need a native version of GOG Galaxy ASAP.

[@braincoolo9399]

What's your problem with Windows?

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@braincoolo9399 I'll tell ya some of mine at least what drove me to finally take my main system off Windows 10, I could be sitting at the desktop doing nothing, and on a system with 16GB DDR3 2133Mhz ram, a 4 core AMD A-10 5800K turbo boosted to 4.4Ghz, an RX 560 4GB GPU, 120GB SSD, and 2TB HDD, it would be pegging the CPU upwards of 100% causing my system to grind to a halt, and after updates caused my 2 screens to blank off at random. plus the forced updates that sometimes took 20 mins or more with 2 or 3 reboot before they where installed, unwanted programs I could not uninstall from my system. Cortona was another one(did manage to tame it), my side gadgets bar being broken after updates, etc.. etc. I'm now on Manjaro Deepin Linux on all but one netbook that runs Mint Mate 19.1 32bit, and I could not be happier.

[@morganrussman]

Like what you mention &abel, if linux had a better support for as much software as windows does, people like myself would easily move to linux. Unfortunately, certain software like pinnacle unfortunately prevent me from fully switching over, with the Microsoft framework or something like that.

[@DeepPastry]

It won't work, mostly because Linux users suck. No one cares if you don't want to help when someone has a question. You need to keep that unhelpfulness to yourself. I know trolling someone looking for help with Linux is so very nice, but it keeps users firmly on the helpful Microsoft system. Amazingly, if you had just kept quiet, Linux would seem just as helpful, but no, you have to get snarky and tell everyone how you could help, but you won't. At least not for free.

[@winterboltgames]

Your videos are of very high quality sir whenever I watch them I feel that they have the early 2000s vibe! I watched almost all of them and I won't stop watching them! Keep up the amazing work!

[@CattoRayTube]

"... like ActiveX, a security nightmare..." Ha!

[@minbcraft]

ActiveX... That was one of my nightmares back then

[@dafoex]

I'd argue that flash is just as much a security nightmare.

[@CattoRayTube]

@@dafoex Nobody's saying it isn't ;)

[@monad_tcp]

@@CattoRayTube Now we have Chrome add-ons instead.

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

Withholding the correct/efficient Windows function calls from all developers except their "key" partners, having their operating system label competing software as a "virus" and automatically delete it, or having Windows shortcut keys to close a window be the same keys as competing software had used to save a file, deliberately breaking interoperability with other systems, undermining competitor's trade shows, etc, etc, etc .... A sampling of Microsoft's delightful bag of underhanded and dirty tricks.

[@samic]

The ending also feature another irony because online services are now the main driver for Microsoft revenue.

[@iridium9512]

And they want more. That's why Win10 spies on its users much like facebook or google do.

[@pierrotinturquoise]

Steve Jobs: 'Apple has decided to make Internet Explorer default browser on Macintosh' Crowd: 'OOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOooooooOOOooo' People hated IE that time also! Oof! :"V

[@halycon404]

Nope. Back then IE really was the best browser on the market. What people hated was Microsoft. They were nicknamed The Evil Empire. Google's company motto was a vieled insult to them. Don't Be Evil really meant, Don't Be Microsoft.

[@harshnemesis]

No they didn't they were just fanboys, at that time the internet explorer was the most advanced browser and that continued in early 2000s

[@supahsta400]

@@boylumbago1590 Now "Don't be evil" means "Don't be Google" xD

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Dark The early 2000s is when that changed

[@stoltobot]

halycon404 Really? IE was the best browser on the market back then? Maybe because it was the lowest common denominator as it was on so many computers and people had to develop around its Poor implementations and misinterpretations of the HTML standard. I dunno, perhaps you’re right. Maybe the hijinx didn’t start happening until IE5 or so, when Microsoft was into the 2nd ‘E’ of its 3E plan to monopolise the internet browsing space by extending IE to not work like it should. When I was doing web stuff a long, long time ago it was a fairly well established fact that IE sucked and you just had to bite down hard on the bit and work around it.

[@MrPatters]

The Company Elf

[@Jim-so3zm]

Should've done this as a collaboration with Company Man

[@EmilySucksAtGaming]

@DaLegendaryFox hell yeah

[@Jim-so3zm]

@DaLegendaryFox Fuck I would love to see that.

[@Shlooomth]

It’s hard to imagine there even being major competitors to DOS, given how monolithic Microsoft has become

[@KrunchyTheClown78]

I mostly use linux now. Windows is no longer required for me anymore, except for some games.

[@theobserver4214]

Tsavorite Prince Wine can be unreliable with some games. If you are going to use FSX you NEED Windows as the game is already unstable CPU wise.

[@harshnemesis]

That's because you got used to the crappy inferior alternatives. The compromises you make just to not support the big bad guy... haha I think I will go with the better user experience.

[@KrunchyTheClown78]

@Cheryl I haven't booted up Windows in a month. Thats how often I need it to play certain games.

[@zeyode]

​@@harshnemesis So windows sucks dick then?

[@nokyan]

@@harshnemesis "it's actually like using windows" never read something that stupid for a long time. How is using a compatibility layer for running programs written for a arguably bad operating system on a better operating system like using said bad operating system?

[@moth.monster]

The story of Internet Explorer is a scary one. We can't have the same IE6 problem happen with Google Chrome.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Even though I'm a Chrome/Chromium fan, I think Firefox does a good job of keeping Google in check at least on non Chrome/Chromium OS based devices.

[@MordethKai]

"more open and competitive" yay, we now have multiple monopolies....

[@Zephyrus0]

Mono means one, a multiple monopoly would be oligopoly

[@MoosieSingh]

10:42 Jobs: "Since we believe in choice..." yeah fucking right.

[@atemoc]

Ahhhh the Embrace Extend Extinguish strategy of Microsoft... All Linux users here perfectly know what it is and what it means x)

[@MCDorups]

PAIN IN THE ASS

[@noellewastaken]

Wait... Embrace... Extend... Extinguish... Microsoft recently announce that they will *EMBRACE* open source... O H N O

[@atemoc]

@@noellewastaken Exactly x) Meh, look at what they did, they bough GitHub, they created their own linux distro that requires the proprietary Microsoft's Visual Studio to run and to code for... But I don't think they will ever "extinguish" Linux... At least not fully x)

[@wordart_guian]

Extinguish as a threat, not as a product. Java was not killed by microsoft's embrace, It simply became no longer a threat. If Linux is embraced, It won't die, but It won't threaten Microsoft anymore either.

[@donotryon9389]

Meh you have to be somewhat relevant for it to really matter and Linux isn't, has never been, and never will be. That boat sailed long ago. Good for servers(I would argue not even the best), nothing more.

[@kgsws]

What about DirectX? Remember when windows had a maze screensaver with OpenGL logo? What happened?

[@askhowiknow5527]

To be fair, “concerned” is ambiguous. It could mean interested, worried, or just related.

[@PtrkHrnk]

Chrome is the new Internet Explorer...

[@StephenGuesty]

But chrome sucks...

[@PtrkHrnk]

@@StephenGuesty So did IE...

[@StephenGuesty]

I use IE from years +now...

[@StephenGuesty]

Nothing bad at IE.

[@MirekFe]

Chrome sucks on Windows. It's great and snappy in Linux. I use Chromium too, because I get to test the features that you'll get, in a couple of months on Chrome.

[@kei_2535]

Integrating Internet Explorer as deeper part of OS just because to win in lawsuit. Eww, what an ugly practice. Now I know why I saw strage similarities in Windows 98 between IE and Windows Explorer.

[@harshnemesis]

Yeah, but I personally think, that the whole notion that microsoft shouldn't be allowed include a product for free with the operating system because oh boo hoo it hurts the competition because most users are comfortable with using what they already have installed, is stupid

[@SjoerdvanGestel]

since we believe in choice... that got lost along the way

[@ElvenMans]

They still believe it, look at all the Windows 10 versions! LOL

[@SjoerdvanGestel]

@@ElvenMans I was referring to Steve Jobs / Apple

[@campkira]

@@SjoerdvanGestel Just go with Lesser evil. One just terrible hardware company who saying they are software company the other is a software company who manhandling other.

[@harshnemesis]

@@ElvenMans What's wrong with that? What's wrong with paying less to not have features which you don't need? Even if you need more features later down the road you can just pay the difference to upgrade, not the entire price.

[@cauldronofstardust]

For anybody comparing Google today to Microsoft of the 90s, you really are failing to remember the computer scene of the 90s. Google is nowhere close to being the colossus that Microsoft was at that time. And for those too young to remember, you cannot conceive of how powerful they were. There’s really nothing today that 90s Microsoft can be compared to help comprehend the magnitude of their power. The 90s were a time when computer hardware was a more of a non-factor than it had been before or has been since (there were no smart phones, or tablets, & all the computers at the time, be it a Dell, or Gateway 2000, or Compaq, or Packard Bell, or Hewlett-Packard... were all just beige box clones of each other, with all of them running on MS Windows). There’s a reason the return of Steve Jobs to Apple was a big deal: Apple was virtually dead at that point. The internet showed some exciting promise, but hadn’t really proved exactly how websites could actually make money (dot com bubble, anyone?). The only major tech company that Microsoft failed to made a dent in back then was the ISP, America Online (“Welcome. You’ve got mail!”). But every (& I mean EVERY) computer at that time was a beige box or tower PC running MS Windows. That was the 90s in the world of computing: Beige boxes running on Windows. And Microsoft bundles were killing off all other software competition. Microsoft was all-pervasive-you HAD to use Windows. EVERYBODY used Windows at that time (unless you were a super duper weirdo geek who used Linux, which was in a really rough, not at all user friendly state back in those days). In contrast, today I have a Dell laptop that runs Windows & I surf the web on Firefox, while my smartphone is an Apple iPhone using iOS software & a Safari Web Browser. Google who? Google what? But-then again-my main email is a gmail account, so I guess Google really is every bit as much the big, imposing, world-conquering juggernaut that 90s Microsoft was. I stand corrected. And before anyone points it out, yes, I’m aware that I’m watching KZbin right now, which is a Google-owned website. You cheeky little smart alecks, hehe.

[@EnvAdam]

17:15 ~ Its kinda funny how long Ive been using Firefox, I will argue that edge isnt too bad but its not what Im use to 17:58 ~ same with linux, been using it for ages and It has its place for me which is primarily server, utility and general maintenance since even Ubuntu is small enough to fit on a USB stick and even then isnt too slow, I used this to repair computers and laptops for money a long while ago but ever since there has been a trend toward people using tablets and phones Ive seen less customers but slightly more for people wanting custom Gaming PCs. but these I figure are topics for other videos.

[@wordart_guian]

I had forgotten Monopoly was an actual Word in english. I thought Microsoft éditéd its on version of the Monopoly Board game.

[@gcanary562]

Hahaha I thought that too!

[@eduardoavila646]

It would be surelly interesting

[@Obscurai]

That reminds me of this old joke. Q: How many Microsoft employees does it take to change a light bulb? A: None. Microsoft redefines darkness.

[@wordart_guian]

@the4kman I'm french, my keyboard inserts accents all the time

[@kefka900]

I used Firefox when it was called Firebird. :)

[@fullanalysis93]

Like a pheonix, Netscape reborn! That makes so much sense.

[@Camelotsmoon]

It was called firebird at one point? Interesting.

[@Joe3D]

I used Opera when was more famous than Firefox.

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

Does that mean they forgot to rename Thunderbird to Thunderfox?

[@LuProch]

When you said that Microsoft should split into two companies, my immediate thought was, that they should be called "Micro" and "Soft" :-D

[@PtrkHrnk]

17:50 except it didn't...

[@fullanalysis93]

@hunter0one MS will probably try to make a new frankenstein licence and fool developers into using it

[@lmcgregoruk]

17:07 - 17:21 They also didn't stick to that either "Microsoft failed to include the screen in the Windows 7 SP 1 update, which led to a 63 percent decrease in Firefox downloads during the nearly 15 months that Microsoft failed to show the screen to SP1 users, costing the company about 9 million downloads. Microsoft was fined €561 million for failing to show the screen to Windows 7 SP1 users.

[@xabbott]

This ends in such a weird way when you consider Microsoft's continued dominance on desktops and it's services are very diverse now. They are in the top 3 companies now with Apple and Amazon in market cap.

[@coows]

Just us linux. Linux has more and more games on it, including csgo, kerbal space program, rocket league, and much more. I'm trying to switch right now

[@yellowcrash10]

Steam for Linux also has Steam Play/Proton which lets you run Windows games.

[@PierceMD]

What did you switch to? I'm on Manjaro rn.

[@SmilingDepression]

i usually try out linux every 12 to 18 months but i always felt like something wasnt quite right and i end up going back to windows. maybe saying it feels like a prototype would be the right word. in 2016 i actually took the time to learn and tailor a distro how i want it (in this case Arch - instead of going for ubuntu / mint / manjaro, etc) while learning a whole new WM (i3). this was the closest i got to making it feel like home and rock solid (not a prototype). but then every open source / free alternative software i'd use (chromium / firefox, open source AMD drivers, etc) just didnt work as good as proprietary. i could've tried to just live with it but i like my computer to work *as best as it can* so i began installing proprietary softwares and drivers for most things. in the end only about 10-15% of my software (excluding gnu/linux themselves ofc) were proprietary versions just cuz they worker the way they should. imo this is a problem with open source / free, having a community design something for themselves then release it to the public VS a corporation making a product for the whole word to embrace (buy) instead. anyway at that point i decided there was no point in continuing to use linux (limiting my game selection *fuck emulation and all its problems* amongst other things) while the majority of my software were just proprietary anyway and went back to windows. havent tried linux ever since (2016).

[@CoolBird420]

if there was a Microsoft version of Monopoly bet these would be the pieces Microsoft logo Clippy Master chief (pretty much the car everyone fights over) Cortana minecraft steve (cuz Microsoft owns Mojang) that's all I can think of now

[@brewHamm]

Boxed Windows XP/10 Floppy Disk IE Logo XBOX Logo Original XBOX

[@wordart_guian]

Links the cat Some PURBLE Rover the dog The Ninja Cat Riding An Unicorn And one of the places you could buy would be the Bliss hill

[@wordart_guian]

Oh and forgot the MSN buddy

[@bandombeviews6035]

Some properties Windows ME and Vista are the first 2. XP and 10 are park place and boardwalk

[@wordart_guian]

eeh Vista was great! It had DVD maker Movie maker media center the gadgets and PURBLE place! And It ran perfectly on post-2008 hardware, an is the reason post-2008 hardware stopped stagnating (when you keep the same os for 6 years, the industry stagnates of course. Thinking about It, there should be a Nokia River that you can buy too

[@moviebod]

Excellent. Very well researched and not an ad in sight. Thanks :)

[@pikminfreak0011]

It's kinda hilarious that in the end, when you think about it, Netscape kinda did end up beating Microsoft in browser popularity, albeit in a sort of reincarnated form. Good thing too, IE (and edge) kiiiiinda really really suck

[@kd1s]

Well I run MS Windows 10 - but the productivity suite isn't Microsoft. I refuse to pay the subscription licensing. So I use Libre instead.

[@alessandrolira4035]

yea I use libre whenever I use linux, but I found a way to get office for free so why not right?

[@kd1s]

@@alessandrolira4035 The Libre writer and even Calc has ways to export as Word and Excel doc/docx and xls/xlsx. So there's that on Windows and Linux.

[@alessandrolira4035]

@@kd1s exactly, I've used that so many times to hand in assignments, since most professors want docx files. As long as it works I dont care which one I have to use.

[@wordart_guian]

Office doesn't have to be a subscription. Personally I can't bear OpenOffice, LibreOffice is better but still doesn't have half the features I Want. I guess I can't blame it, it's free and it's a good thing it exists for many people, but that Office exists is a good thing too for many others.

[@kd1s]

@@wordart_guian The only thing I miss about office is the VBA in all the applications. Haven't found an analog to that in Libre but I think it's all in Python and I do know Python.

[@cheatsenabled1662]

PC doesn't mean Windows. It means personal computer. A personal computer could be running Windows _or_ Linux. Or both. Technically PC can also mean Mac, but... well, it's Mac. Can you even call it personal? Same kind of goes for Windows, but oh well...

[@jamesslick4790]

Yes, The concept of calling MS DOS /Windows based machines "PC" is solely based on IBM's use of "Personal Computer" as a brand, other companies did use the "personal" term, The Time-Sinclair 2068 (American heavily modified ZX-Spectrum) physically had PCC Personal Color Computer " printed on the machine., for example. Generically, A Personal Computer is a general purpose computer that can owned and used by an individual (as opposed to a mainframe, super computer or an embedded system.) A Windows machine can be a PC, So can a Mac or Linux or Commodore 64. Also iOS, Android and PalmOS devices ARE personal computers. Games systems blur the line, but although they ARE computers owned and used by individuals , but they are not normally considered PCs as they generally run only one type of software, BASIC was released for the Atari 2068 and web browsers on consoles is a thing, So it IS a blurring line.

[@RodrigoDavy]

It comes from "IBM PC" and "IBM PC Compatible", but I hate that in English people have been using as a term for a computer with Windows installed. I'm using Arch Linux right now and my machine doesn't stop being a PC because of that, I still have Windows installed in case I need some software that needs to run on it Also, for most purposes, a modern day Mac is basically a PC in architecture. It can even run Windows and Linux with minimal software modification (I think they use something called bootcamp to allow that)

[@DanaTheInsane]

I built PCs from the 80s till Vista. Never again. Seriously, fuck Microsoft,

[@mariannmariann2052]

So is Xbox. The Xbox kernel is basically a modified Windows one.

[@ElvenMans]

@@DanaTheInsane What are you using nowadays? My guess is Mac from your avatar, but i'm still curious heh. My MS hate is really on nowadays with Windows 7 getting close to becoming obsolete and because MS is forcing Windows 10 on people. I always wanted to try Mac, but never got around buying one, but maybe soon..

[@nokki25]

Why is that I cannot remove Safari from my iPad? Isn't it basically the same predicament as with MS and IE?

[@ThatNormalBunny]

Yup so is Google with the Android OS. Why can't I remove Google Chrome from my phone and install Firefox as the native web browser

[@friedcatfood]

You can since 3 years ago. And they weren't forced to.

[@Wonginism]

Some of the learnings and outcomes of this would be interesting to investigate when it comes to theorizing if microsoft could've made windows phone successful and a bit on why they didn't really try to make windows phone successful.

[@Lycanite]

At least with open source software growing and growing it can never die so long as there are people who embrace opensource, eventually these monopolies will die off, hopefully.

[@AlyssaMcNeil]

Just like what Electronics Arts did with other companies :D

[@mrman7498]

Alex Mc *insert different time space universe image here*

[@JosephKeenanisme]

What's funny is that if all those people bitching about Microsoft or Goggle were to actually stop bitching and switch to other systems... but that would mean people bitching about something else just to hear their own voices.

[@kenzie2191]

“Walled garden windows ecosystem” Jesus how times have changed.

[@afarewelltokings]

That CNN article about removing IE from 98 was published 6 hours before i was born. i really was cursing internet explorer right out of the womb

[@MrBranh0913]

Omg flashback overload seeing the Real Player logo

[@zdrux]

Microsoft has a large share of the market, not a monopoly. Nobody is stopping you from going out and using any competitor products.

[@melonheadthecherrybomb5886]

That's a funny joke. Do you know how many people have actually heard of Linux? Not many. Yeah, sure we have "choices", but not many know of them vs how many know Microsoft. It's like saying that I can choose a different career path in Detroit when the only jobs around are in retail. There not many competitive alternatives yet.

[@peterjansen4826]

Now I understand why Dell and other OEM's don't give a discount for a laptop/desktop with Linux instead of Windows. Dirty practices from Micro$. I don't know this channel, I will check it out after having taken a look at the recent videos.

[@harshnemesis]

What do you mean? Last time I checked laptops without the operating system are cheaper. As far as charging for installing Linsux... I think this is a fair one because now they have to support that. This usually means X hours of free tech support they have to provide at best and return at worse... Just see what happened with EEE pc that came with linux rather than windows to save cost... over 75% of them were returned, yes linsux is that bad.

[@peterjansen4826]

​@@harshnemesis It is quite simple. OEM's have a deal with Microsoft: you get a good price per license (like $15, it depends on the size of the OEM but this is a good estimation) but you buy a license for every laptop which you sell. Why? Simple. It is not about the money for MS, it is about Windows being bundled with the laptop. MS its game is to get users addicted to the Windows eco-system to tie the users to MS-software. Don't believe me, read the MS part on the vendor lock-in wiki on Wikipeda in which a quote from one of the bosses of MS is given which comes from a testimony to the European Union when MS was investigated for anti-competitive (illegal in the EU) behavior. Even if OEM's deliver a laptop with Linux pre-installed, which is awesome, then still the OEM pays a license for that laptop and consequently the cost of that license is being added to the price of the laptop. Yes, the OEM gives the license key with the laptop, despite pre-installing Linux. Now, it is possible that the OEM is nice and doesn't charge the cost of the license but they do pay that license to MS for that laptop with Linux pre-installed. It also is possible that the laptops which you have seen that have Linux pre-installed have lower performance hardware because Linux needs less capable hardware. I know because I use both Linux (daily) and Windows (when I have to).

[@harshnemesis]

@@peterjansen4826 Wrong, MS is a business, sure popularity helps alot but without that resulting in money somehow it's meaningless. Once again we bought three laptops without an operating system 2008,2009,2016 and it was cheaper, so you're wrong again... Also the reason why it's either windows or no OS is because laptops with linsux get returned alot more, don't believe me? look up the EEE PC fiasco. Linsux just sucks, that's all.

[@peterjansen4826]

​@@harshnemesis Once again, it is completely irrelevant whether or not you paid less for those laptops. OEM's do pay a Windows-license for every laptop which they sell. That is the deal! Maybe you didn't buy a laptop from an OEM but from another kind of company (like MSI which buys laptops from an ODM). Maybe they gave a discount. I don't care, it is irrelevant. It is a fact that OEM's pay a Windows-license for every laptop which they sell. "Linsux just sucks, that's all." You haven't ever installed it on your system, have you? These days Windows is better than Linux for most users. Install it on your system and use it 90% of the time for half a year, then I might be interested in your opinion on Linux. I know both systems well: Windows and Linux. I would put Linux on my mother her computer. For ease of use, for comfort (faster, less bloated, less RAM) and for safety. I am a gamer and in otther regards I am a power user. I boot up Windows regularly and I have used WindowsXP, Windows7 and Windows10, I can compare both systems. Neither is perfect but Linux is better.

[@harshnemesis]

@@peterjansen4826 No it's not irrelevant, your argument was that the consumer has to pay the same whenever they want windows or not, which is untrue and you're wrong. It doesn't matter what OEMs have to pay, that's completely irrelevant to the argument. Btw I tried out linsux and it was a major suck as expected, it felt like windows 3 or something, hahaha especially with alternative programs because many windows programs weren't available

[@viniqf]

Thank you for uploading!!! You are by far one of my favorite KZbinrs Today is a great day

[@mmcplus1947]

Monopoly: Microsoft edition

[@iamanubhavdutta]

Videos about the old computing days somewhy motivate me... Idk why

[@MineCrafterCity]

They focused for so many years on IE. Still trying with Edge... Yet no serious person uses it...

[@fortuneflux]

ahh so many people so happy to get Windows 95. Few months down the track, blue screen of death... and not so happy

[@JorianFX]

This is some new information for me

[@kingonduty2825]

lol

[@stefanhofmann2521]

This is a new comment for me

[@Architector_4]

+Stefan - TravelFlow This is a new reply for me

[@stefanhofmann2521]

This is a new reply to your reply... for me

[@Architector_4]

This is a new reply chain for me

[@matthijshebly]

Let the haters come, but: Microsoft under Satya Nadella is a different company altogether. Microsoft now has some of the best software out there, Open Source, such as e.g. VS Code and other products.

[@papabones8753]

*Absolutely proprietary*

[@boomerkuwanger3700]

@7:50 Is that true? AFAIK, you can run 16-bit Netscape Navigator on Windows 95. Or was the extant versions incompatible because of the changed/new network stack (IIRC Trumpet Winsock was used in Windows 3.x)?

[@gwgux]

This is why free and open standards are absolutely vital to the future of computing. They're our only defense against the big mega corporations when government fails to act like when they failed to break up Microsoft.

[@MG-hn9ed]

gwgux Free and open standards like Netscape? Even they couldn't sustain the free model. If software engineers are expected to make their work freely available, what then would be the incentive for them to have made the software in the first place?

[@heisvi9317]

@@MG-hn9ed donations mostly

[@link1565V2]

Microsoft's strategy back in the day was to make their software the best, so everyone used it. Nowadays the strategy is to make the software look the coolest, strip features and charge a premium for the privilege. This applies to pretty much all areas of consumer technologies these days. It's sad.

[@shaiyacoprez2812]

10:42 "Since we believe in choice" - Funny hearing this coming from Apple, a company who is trying to limit your choice of repairing or modifying the Apple products you own.

[@noisyplanet3397]

I wanted to buy a new Macbook until I realised they glue the batteries to the cover now. I was so disappointed because I loved using Apple's OS. But I ended up buying an HP Pavillion Power 15. Another turn off was trying to use an external storage drive that been formatted using Windows.

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

Louis Rossman, an electronics repair KZbinr, has a lot to say about Apple providing "choice", especially in the repair space.

[@TorutheRedFox]

back then, Apple was different just look at the iMac G5, it's literally designed for expansion, and it being ridiculously easy to open and upgrade (and possibly repair) by the user was literally one of the main selling points of the G5

[@KeithBoehler]

Watching this on Firefox and Linux right now.

[@qpol]

**Google Chrome** The browser Microsoft failed to.

[@MrSEA-ok2ll]

I remember how quickly Netscape went from King to deceased ware...the computer industry was and is volatile and cannibalistic.

[@CEKROM]

10:33 *NO!* =D

[@ccricers]

That's savage how the EU made their version of Internet Explorer load a list of other browser links as the homepage.

[@teleringdataspesialisten1869]

So can we expect Google to have to remove bloatware from Android anytime soon? O_O

[@shockwaverc1369]

also spying practice and abusing of its monopoly by creating services that spies and collect data on innocent users (ie recaptcha)

[@Atlas-yh6vg]

@@shockwaverc1369 Alternatives to ReCaptcha?

[@shockwaverc1369]

@@Atlas-yh6vg hcaptcha if you need something similar but its privacy policy isnt great either best thing imo are captchas that asks you to answer math or common sense questions

[@purpleboye_]

Windows: you do not have permission to do that Hades: *I own you*

[@station240]

I miss Netscape 4.77, now there was a proper web browser. The cache was an actual directory and worked properly, it loaded fast, it didn't use stupid amounts of memory to show a basic webpage with images on. The modern browsers (yes even Firefox) are bloatware, designed by committee, messes. Lets add a ton of different file syntaxes to HTML4/5, XML, CSS, JSON, that totally won't bloat out the browser and make it run like a snail.

[@TheCandoRailfan]

You can't blame the browser because a modern web page (like Facebook) is using a lot of RAM. BTW KZbin uses HTML5.

[@700gsteak]

Yea I remmber back in the day opening the cache directory and picking the files out of it. It wouldnt work nowadays even if they kept that in newer browsers because far too many websites obstucate the code with scripts, use on demand loading techniques and the same names within the same page so that they overwrite each other.

[@Quamikaze]

6:00 that's the only way I watched all the videos on the Win95 CD as a kid. :O

[@BobSmith-cj6ph]

10:43 ha funny joke there steve

[@peacefusion]

I dont know man, I think every OS is a monopoly now with thier own web brower, search engine, game store, app store. Apple and MS really dont want to let people move any program outside thier computer. Especially when it comes to programs needing specifix IOS or andriod compatibility. MS needs to take a huge humble step back and live off thier OS and let it be what Linux is trying to do, a fully compatible system. But even with games they pride themselves on thier game passes and rentals so that people stay on a leash.

[@matthewdilks2677]

It’s impossible for every OS to have a monopoly. That wouldn’t be a monopoly

[@lordcrayzar]

And idiots pretend they aren’t doing the same thing with gaming now

[@hotgarbagellc]

You do a great job with these videos.

[@hoherspatz9573]

It says much when they force you to update

[@stephenwabaxter]

There is no doubt that Microsoft is a much more aggressive company that puts profit above just about anything else. The point is that Microsoft have lost out in many areas because they forgot about innovation when they were concentrating on revenue generation and profit.

[@hoherspatz9573]

@@stephenwabaxter I agree

[@JOELwindows7]

Edge is built in UWP and cannot be deleted. Unless, by risky hacking. Also Edge in the future major Windows Update, will be *based on Chromium* . Microsoft Chrome.

[@MasterGeekMX]

They: Wintel Us: Linamd

[@magburner]

You: Linamd Us: Lintel

[@user-gb7cl8np3p]

Me: Winamd

[@PSKResearch]

Something's wrong with the timeline. I was definitely using a Mozilla browser around 1996 with the Linux version of WebTV, & later with the Windows version of WebTV in 1997.

[@Yuzuzuzu]

Squishing potential threats, because actually competing takes too much time

[@Obscurai]

The name "MicroSquish" was actually used internally.

[@SarmadTechLab]

"Since we believe in choice..." - Apple 1990s

[@Willibef]

"The tech industry has gotten a lot more open, competitive, and most of all diverse since the days of the Wintel dynasty." What are you smoking?

[@AtomicPurple]

The closed captioning data is visible in the C-span footage at 16:00

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

Microsoft created .NET as a direct competitor to Java. That's why after buying Minecraft, which started as a Java game, they started focusing more on the Bedrock edition (and the C++ Windows 10 version) and less on the Java edition, which they will eventually phase out when they think they can get away with it without too much backlash.

[@JoePCool14]

Microsoft ending the Java Edition would cause backlash at any point if they tried it. I don't really see them doing it. It's just a game, it's not an operating system or program with alternatives.

[@sundhaug92]

.Net was created because they wanted to make a managed language and Sun blocked them from making their own java (J++)

[@Henrik0x7F]

C++ is not necessarily .NET and the main reason they switched is because it's faster.

[@DataWaveTaGo]

Note that at 5:08 - Time Magazine February 19, 1996 Netscape's Marc Andreessen The Golden Geeks - has the corner-wrap "TV VIOLENCE AND SEX -Will the V Chip Help?" Note To V Chip - The Kids have already discovered, well, NetPorn... it was called Usenet, huh...

[@Kamel419]

I love the video, but at the end you seemed to imply that Microsoft no longer has a monopoly. That isn't so, they have kept up their shady business practices and in turn has kept competitors from arising. Microsoft isn't that scared of mac, because you have to buy a different computer to use it. Linux on the other hand is 100% free and runs on any PC. Microsoft is now partnering with OEMs to ensure windows is the only OS that can run. If you could run Windows software flawlessly on Linux, the world would experience something that it's never seen before - the ability to actually choose what OS you want to use.

[@wordart_guian]

If you could run Windows software flawlessly, you could run Windows viruses flawlessly too. They go hand in hand. Sorry.

[@MP-tz2yn]

Why do Linux fans always shove the "pls use linux it free and runs on anything" everywhere like yeah dude no even though I know Microsoft's spying practices I can't switch because of how used to I am to the components

[@ArtdesTests]

And that's how I met your modem

[@ToTheGAMES]

Firefox

[@Clay3613]

Forever!

[@iLiokardo]

I love the scrolling tabs, best feature.

[@MP-tz2yn]

id use it but I already have too much history and saved passwords on chrome

[@lordcron]

What a wonderful trip back in time. I made the shift from the fast food industry to the Tech Sector back when Windows 95 was just about to hit the market. It was so cool! Loved how fast the industry was moving and changing.

[@davinp]

Also the Apple Monopoly. They unfairly dominate the smartphone, tablet market which Android doesn't get the recognition even though Android is the most popular mobile OS. Apple limits it's OS just to its devices instead of partnering with OEMs the way Microsoft and Google do. Also, they don't make their own apps for Android or Windows, which they should. By limiting their software they are able to dominate and mark high prices on their devices.

[@W_Wolfie]

i think if people come to the conclusion that apples success reason is only limitations then they prob wont buy apple shit anymore.

[@tommytwotones128]

Your music is so chill

[@stevejohnson1321]

Yet of course micro-softie still tries daily to promote their crippleware to me, even though I haven't run their toy operating system for over 10 years. Not only did they lose me as a customer, but I now don't pay anything for my applications.

[@KeiKAndLies]

Cool

[@chrisfratz]

13:46 Bill Gates's responses here remind me of when you try to talk to a modern smart assistant today, but get poor results.

[@stargirl3352]

And in 2019 M$ is cooperating with Canonical... Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.. I just hope Linux will survive and finally kill M$ Window$.. It would be the best for everyone.

[@911Salvage]

Microsoft will not achieve anything by extinguishing Canonical. The latter hardly has any influence anywhere. It's not the driver of any meaningful open source project that other distributions depend on, nor is it the sole owner of any pivotal proprietary technology. Its distribution is neither unique nor the absolute best, so it's completely replaceable with any of the half a dozen or so other major distributions available. Even if Canonical were to die now, somebody would simply take their Ubuntu source tree and start a fork based off it.

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@911Salvage We don't even need the Debian, and Ubuntu source trees with Distros such as Manjaro, and Arch. I personally run Manjaro Deepin as it just works, and it's not another Debian/Ubuntu clone distro where a new one tends to pop up every month or so now trying to say they are different in some way, when they really are not.

[@stargirl3352]

@@911Salvage Sure, but you have to see that Ubuntu/Debian are the most popular Distros among users, simply because they are easy. If this Distros and all their forks are gone, people will have a relatively hard time switching from Window$ to Linux.

[@TheCandoRailfan]

At least Windows is way way better that MacO$ and iO$ and all Linux Di$tro$.

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@stargirl3352 No Arch(for very advanced users), Manjaro, Chrome/Chromium OS, and The Android X86 project can take the place of Debian, and Ubuntu fairly easy. the only downside of Chromium OS is that at least with the builds from Neverware, and their CloudReady OS is you need either Windows, or an official Chromebook to use the Chromebook recovery tool to do an official write of the ISO to a USB, as it does not work in Linux, or MacOS at this time, and other methods of writing a USB key are hit, and miss depending on the 8GB or 16GB USB key you are using due to the flash chip firmware.

[@Thevaporwaveraver]

watching this with headphones dude.... you nearly bust my ears.. your voice over is so quiet (and these are great headphones) your clips are ear busting... long time watcher of your content btw.

[@seijakijin1160]

Microsoft isn’t a monopoly anymore. Now it’s google. Get ahead with the tiems

[@Wonderful_Productions]

Never heard of Middleware before... but I'm Happy to have learned something new! Excellent video Science Elf!

[@anselminos5238]

yes middleware is a thing and your browser actually runs one too for a language called javascript which actually does not have anything to do with java. javascript is used to make websites interactive and also it is a way that you can be tracked.

[@BabaDee08]

Just to risk sounding like an anarchist, Microsoft had to do what was needed at that point to survive. Everyone else is doing that today too. Buy them, if they refuse, make a clone (wink wink Facebook)

[@kirishima638]

Not at all. MS was a successful company from the DOS days. They ripped off other people's code and products, bought out their competitors and undercut their prices to force them out of business, and used bullying tactics to force hardware makers to bundle only their products. It was the Internet that killed off their parasytic manopoly; the browser made desktop applications (almost) irrelevant. I honestly believe that MS setback the computer industry at least 20 years. We had so many innovative platforms and technologies in the 80s and 90s that were all forced out.

[@Ddiaboloer]

They were the most profitable business world wide at the time. To say they needed to act so aggressively to survive is just wrong. However this story doesn't describe the worst a monopoly could produce, it could have been worse

[@MisakaMikotoDesu]

The kinds of things Microsoft were doing were and still are illegal.

[@wordart_guian]

honestly, as someone who went through nearly a décade of being bullied and feels like the Word is too soft for what it designates, i'm unsure you could apply the word "bullying" to companies and market tactics.

[@rexthedaneremover5169]

@@kirishima638 Could you list any of those platforms?

[@peabody4217]

screw microsoft i switched to linux 4 yrs ago and now I have control over my computer NOT some corporation. my computer now does what I WANT IT TO DO!!! thank you linux mint!!!!

[@Anonymity55]

any linux users here

[@jarekmars8141]

14:55 Two companies MICROS~1 and MICROS~2