The Military Decision That Could’ve SAVED the Galactic Empire! (Canon)

[@starwarsreadingclub]

Hey everyone, thank you so much for all of the support recently! Just to be sure, the information regarding the Imperial TIE Fighters and the First Order tactical simulations is primarily found within the recently released “Star Wars: TIE Fighter Owner’s Workshop Manual.” That said, I can’t wait to hear what you all think as this is one of my favourite discussion topics here on the channel. Thank you for watching and I hope that you all enjoy today’s video!

[@smokybear4204]

Another thing that could of saved the empire would be more smaller ships designed too beat starfighters

[@davidring681]

Star Wars Reading Club I disagree that the first order upgrading their fighters had any marked effect. star killer base is the biggest example that comes to mind. They had dozens and dozens of new shielded tie fighters against what maybe 20-30 resistance Xwings. How did they learn anything? The first order is shown to be incompetent in both of the new movies. The opening of the last Jedi is another perfect example. How can you say they made improvements when they didn’t even launch fighters to protect their most valuable space asset until all of their aa guns where hilariously destroyed. Like what? Not even alert fighters. I would love to believe the first order is a threatening enemy that’s learned from the mistakes of the empire but in the movies they are just incompetent hilarious buffoons who make no sense and act as if they didn’t learn anything from the past including how to be intimidating as the first order is about as intimidating as a wet noodle lol

[@xjosna4485]

I always thought of the basic Tie-Fighters being overwhelmingly unprepairedin Battles. Not only because of the lacking shields and hyperdrive, but also because of their very design. In my view, the empire made this line of star fighters way too much of an easy target for their enemies.

[@last.atlantean]

Tie Defender Is Best; Although, From my Point of View this Channel is Evil (666 videos)

[@中华民国万岁-c4g]

Star Wars Reading Club also there is no strategy to change the outcome. A 15 year old padawan, somehow defeated a naval taction who took on 2 lucre hulk battleships and defeated them with no casualties and 2-3 cruisers.

[@franktedder1236]

I like how it was titled saved the Empire instead of doomed the rebellion. Long live the emperor.

[@turnaboutshitposter9614]

I was about to like the comment... But I noticed the number was at 66. *execute order 66*

[@darylsdesigns6679]

“In my view, Director Krennic’s project has been nothing but expenses and excuses for years on end.”

[@jlokison]

@Death AGirl Vader helped with that... and seems to like Dad Jokes.

[@echosdatacore2056]

Hail Admiral Thrawn!

[@christopherwoodbury7520]

@@jlokison Proof that vader subconsciously knew his children survived.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Thrawn and Vader would agree with you.

[@JanPeverell]

What I would do is --- not build any kind of superweapon --- not build 19 kilometer long, overly gigantic Super Star Destroyers --- refine ship designs like those of the Imperial Star Destroyer to make them more efficient with regards to energy and crew requirements --- equip all star fighters at least with shields and ideally with hyperdrives as well; more efficient designs would be welcome here too --- better balance the number of star fighters and capital ships

[@NiiRubra]

Yep. The one thing I slightly disagree with is the size of ships, maybe not overly gigantic SSDs, yeah, but there is a little bit of value in having a very big, intimidating ship. Not to mention that, if this big ship had strong shields, it could serve as physical cover to protect your other ships, and if the worst comes to pass, you can probably ram smaller ships, you wouldn't want to be in the receiving end of that, right?. So maybe a handful of giant space battering rams would be good.

[@EchthelionII]

Also, put Thrawn in charge of the Imperial fleet and ship design.

[@JanPeverell]

@@NiiRubra 3 to 5 kilometers would be doable, i think

[@iwu-xm3xc]

I would add better pilots too

[@jlokison]

Decent escort and support vessels used in conjunction with your capital ships would also help. I envision a task force responsible for multiple systems to be something as follows. A 5 to 6 km long task force flag ship, armed with with a variety of long and medium range turbo lasers and ion cannons, banks of multidirectional launch missile/torpedo cells, and tons of point defense/close in weapon system laser and hyper accelerated projectile cannons. It should have it's own interdiction generatorand the best sensors and communication systems available. In addition to bays for repairing escort vessels and fighters might also consider fleet and planetary bombardment drones/missile launch cells, each weapon carrying payloads of dozens to hundreds of simultaneously launched independantly targeted proton torpedoes (such a weapon system could be large enough for light shields and maybe even a droid operated hyperdrive, which after an incident like the Radus/Supremacy collision could replace torpedoes and launch tubes with a high density penetrator nose, super heavy focused shielding, and a hyperdrive without any safety features, now you have a super weapon) 3 to 4 Interdictor Star Destroyers, primarily equipped with very long range weapons and lots of point defense. 9 to 12 Imperial Star Destroyers, all of these need more point defense systems, 3 to 4 might emphasizes larger fighter compliments and 3 to 4 might have missile launch cells. 42 to 57 (3 per star Destroyer sized vessel and 6 to 9 for the flag ship) escorts specialized in coordinated fleet defense against fighters, drones and missiles, such as the Lancer, with strong enough weapons to hurt freighters and civilian cruisers. 27 to 36 multipurpose light cruisers to provide additional fire power and options to commanders in large engagements but also as quick reaction forces when a Star Destroyer is too much. 3 to 4 reconaisance/communication/electronic warfare vessels because ships can communicate while in hyperspace and sometimes you might want to change your plans before you drop into a system. Several special operations vessels these might be in the corvette/frigate/light cruiser range or smaller. Fill all you fighter slots and replace losses asap. Task forces such as this should be able to respond to a variety of problems and make more sense for a unit like Darth Vader's Death Squadron, or Thrawns battle group. Although I think Grand Admirals might have several such task forces, but that depends on how common Grand Admirals are. In most cases you might only need a single Star Destroyer with its escorts to deal with a problem on a planet or system. You also have 3 to 4 groups of an Interdictor Destroyer and 3 other Star Destroyers with 12 defensive escorts, 9 multipurpose support ships and an EW ship, which are more than enough to deal with most star systems if a problem occurs. The large number of defensive escorts is to provide good 360°x180° protection for the Star Destroyers and cover and blind spots. Such sub groups and the task force as a whole would be more difficult than lone Star Destroyers for groups like the Rebel Alliance to take out. Your still going to have patrol groups made up of smaller ships including the light interdictors and carriers, these would be part of a Sector fleet. Sector fleets will need to fit the needs of the sector and the Moff of that sector.

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Forgoing super weapons to make a large, powerful and versatile fleet would have been far more effective.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Less than you'd think: the Empire could barely crew the ships they had, so the Empire had already reached its peak. Tarkin knew this, which is why he tried to rule through fear. The Empire might have been able to make up the difference with droids, but Palpatine wanted a military he could control in its entirety. Even then, droids are vulnerable to shutdown orders. Tarkin actually had the right idea, but his mistake was using the Death Star immediately upon Alderaan, a massively influential planet who's destruction could easily trigger widescale revolt. If he'd blown up a planet for use as a mine (the Death Star cover story,) the implications alone might have been enough to end the Rebellion. Too bad Tarkin was bonkers.

[@echosdatacore2056]

Maybe equip the Star Destroyers will superlasers would have been less expensive...

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

@@bubbasbigblast8563 They lost over two million personnel between both Death Stars dude.. Pouring more resources into fleet development could have resulted in ISD's with smaller crew requirements. Or focus less on ISD's and more on smaller/faster ships to counter the rebellion. You don't need millions of heavy cruisers to fight an enemy that focuses on corvettes and frigates because of resource constraints. Better fighters, more smaller craft and the empire would have fared much better.

[@DarkSpyro707]

you know, crewing these ships wouldnt be a problem had they just kept cloning...

[@Gamerafighter76]

Eeyup.

[@Shadx27]

General Maarek Stele heavily advocated for shielded fighters. After obtaining a substantial kill count, people began to listen to him.

[@CrazynutterAJ]

"some incompetent Admiral " inserts image of Admiral Konstantine love it xD

[@Qardo]

Way the Empire could have survived. They should have listened to the Blue Dude.

[@bagsikdangal]

_Witness the firepower of this fully armed, and operational battle station!_ -Emperor Palpatine

[@echosdatacore2056]

I loved that quote...

[@SEAL_Meme_6]

That is something I like about the First Order, they didn't put pride over their tactics.

[@Dwamak]

Empire At War was one of the best Star Wars game ever.

[@robertagu5533]

Still is

[@synthilein]

I totally agree. With all the mods it's one of my favourite RTS Games

[@TyrannoNoddy]

"some incompetent admiral" *shows Konstantine* lol

[@thejollypirate5669]

Much obliged SWRC enjoyed! 👍👍

[@asianwithamask8333]

The Empire: A galaxy wide superpower with millions and millions of funds for its army. Some farm boi: I’m about to end this mans whole career.

[@wet_weather_imp]

Adding just shields would have been amazingly beneficial. The Empire didn’t include them because they wanted quick, cheap, swarm ships.....cheap being the key word. So although adding shields would cost more, it would cost less overall than to keep producing more TIE’s and Pilots to replace the ones that were destroyed. Survivability can drastically reduce costs, even though it will initially cost more

[@ddillard143]

My thought exactly. It's like buying cheap $10 sneakers for Olympic runner. He's going to go through many of those cheap sneakers and have sore feet when all he had to do was buy some quality sneakers

[@hodor9851]

@@ddillard143 but not TOO quality. Too much quality is what the empire learned from the old republic. The olf republic's clone trooper armour and training was so expensive, that they could only afford a total of a couple thousand of clone troopers. The empire knew this and lowered the quality of their armour to make it cheaper, but yet, still making it effective.

[@Gor85]

This is great. Luckily for the galaxy and freedom Empire underestimated their own. And the Rebellion

[@soulman71901]

"In the imperial Navy you can sail the Tatootine sea"........ ♪ ♪ ♪

[@scoots291]

You can join the empire today. You can hang out with all the droids

[@ratbat1072]

But im han solo

[@Pandadude-eg9li]

Put a grate on the 1st Death Star's reactor shaft. Would have literally only costed 30 or so credits.

[@jamesstaggs4160]

They rejected all the ideas of the Empire that didn't work, save for building another Death Star....

[@kauske]

Chuck asteroids at it until it runs out of ammo and one hits it. It's literally putting all your eggs into one basket. Why even bother with a planet destroyer? Just shove an asteroid out of orbit onto a planet, it's infinitely cheaper and has the same impact of killing all life. Hell, just hyper-drive a few tons of steel into a planet, going faster than the speed of light it would annihilate everything on the planet. Having FTL tech and not using it as a weapon is more or less a failure on the part of the writers. I'll give Disney one thing, they had the guts to show that FLT tech is basically an unstoppable fleet destroying weapon. The amount of energy the death-star puts out to blow up a planet is basically a mouse-fart next to the energy it would take to accelerate a tonne of steel to 99.99% lightspeed. The fact the death-star can either accelerate beyond light speed, or fold space to travel faster than light is more impressive than it being able to blow up a planet. To put it into perspective, if you tossed half the mass of Mt. Everest worth of antimatter at earth, it would be enough to overcome the gravity holding earth together and turn it into just space debris. If you wanted to fld space between Earth and our nearest neighbour of Alpha Centauri, the most conservative estimates would require you to convert all of Jupiter into pure energy. So that's taking half of Jupiter, and an equal mass of antimatter, assuming you could perfectly capture all the released energy, just to theoretically FLT to the closest neighbour. Realistically, you'd probably loose so much energy you'd need several Jupiters and several Jupiter sized masses of antimatter.

[@echosdatacore2056]

Jesus, Grand Moff Tarkin & Emperor Palpatine were complete idiots sometimes. They really should've looked at what Grand Admiral Thrawn had to say. I feel like if Admiral Thrawn led the Galactic Empire, they're would be no Death Star, second, no Superweapons. All what you need are strong capital ships, excellent starfighters, maybe a a couple of Star Dreadnoughts.

[@jamesricker3997]

If talking had moved the Death Star against the rebel fleet at the Battle of Scariff instead of overkilling director Krennic, the rebel fleet would have been destroyed in the rebels would not have gotten the Death Star plans

[@MrMultiPat]

I'm sure not including shields on TIE's also helped the Empire cut costs for manufacturing. I might give that reference book a read.

[@smokybear4204]

Shield are very expensive even if it gave it the weakest shield possible they would almost double the cost of each tie. Also you gotta remember with a shield they would need a power source just for it too not cut into the power for the engines and weapons

[@Banchoking]

But given how expensive it is to replace pilots, it's an investment that would have paid for itself.

[@smokybear4204]

@@Banchoking I agree most of the ace pilots the rebels came from the imperial piolts so that just shows how good the training there is. But I really always wondered why the empire who literally controls the banks, comapnies, factorys etc.. why was the cost such a huge factor in their decision too not put shields on their starfighters I mean for one SD you could outfit 10 ships worth of ties with shields if not more not even considering what they could get out of a SSDs worth of shileds

[@seekerofnothingness6148]

4:38 Good idea showing Admiral Idiot there. I mean how dare he to question a order from Thrawn

[@RyanTheDark]

The Empire 'definitely' didn't had the high ground during that battle.

[@1God1Fury]

How can be any high ground in open space??

[@jamesricker3997]

The Death Star actually launched all its tie fighters But they were playing zone defense, each tie fighter squadron was responsible for protecting a different area of the Death Star That prevented them from swarming the area over the trench with thousands of TIE fighters

[@ddillard143]

Any Imperial Starfighter pilot that doubt it they were cannon fodder only had to look at the fact that their ships had no Shields

[@gpaje]

The First Order learning from their mistakes is B.S. The last movies clearly shows they didn't do anything different. Complete with not using fighter support to protect their capital ships until the battle had already started.

[@apollyonkatastrefia1586]

the first orders shields sure didn't seem to help them at starkiller base. strange how it would have changed the Battle of yavin and battle of endor but it couldn't do anything for starkiller base.

[@ddillard143]

I know right. Too bad but the bad guys have to lose

[@mmoolman1969]

At the time of the death star the tie defender was still in it's prototype stage and prooduction was stalled by the rebel attack on lothal.But I really wish they were at the battle of yavin.

[@_Dovar_]

It is that or just build more Tartan cruisers...

[@teakat9608]

Tartan cruiser reporting...

[@mitchellhayward6492]

We should keep in mind: energy shields aren't always a guaranteed advantage. I believe that literally the first X-Wing destroyed on screen, is destroyed only after taking a single hit.

[@jamesbodnarchuk6245]

Great vid! I'll send in 25 Cylon raiders & 1 Base star.

[@khyronkravshera7774]

The 1st order era isn't Star Wars it's Disney Wars.

[@RocketHarry865]

Wonder if the Empire should have a combined arms doctrine task forces with one or two imperial class star destroyer as the ship of the line with a Venator II as a carrier and a number of support ships and escorts. The Imperial class star destroys would have mostly shielded TIE Interceptors for the local space area defense and interception role whilst the Venator II would carry the long range hyperdrive equipped strike fighters and bombers for long range strike capabilities.

[@undead4500]

As a counter-argument to this point, there would be more imperials defect to the rebellion if their Tie fighters were more advanced as most imperials were not THAT loyal to the Empire and most of them serve the empire because it is their jobs while the First Order is made up of the most loyal imperials they were also not beyond having defectors either. (Example Finn who escaped with a Tie fighter)

[@chomabcjabeb233]

But Palps could not survive forever. Remember the chosen one

[@Gamerafighter76]

I think Thrawn and Vader had it right about not relying on a super weapon when you could bolster your ships.

[@redcrosseknightmusic]

I've always been curious how ships enter atmosphere from space - especially if they have no shields, how does that work?

[@GivemesubscribersIwantacheckma]

redcrosseknightmusic Maybe the atmosphere on different planets are well different than earth

[@GivemesubscribersIwantacheckma]

redcrosseknightmusic or just space magic...

[@BlackEpyon]

Repulsorlift. Same tech that makes their speeders float, just turned up to 11 so that you float away into space.

[@garrymoloney9570]

don't even joke about the first order having limited resources when everything we've seen in the movies contradict that statement

[@jamesharrington001]

I've got a great one for some musings, what if the X-wing had become the maine line strike craft of the Empire... what would the Rebels adopt as their strike craft? I think they'd likely have A, B, U and Y wings supported by Z-95's and R-41's.

[@Yothirjgdit9595]

Next to the y wings and a hammerhead there is what I believe is the ghost. Please check it out.

[@daniels7907]

What if they had been smart enough to not have exposed bridges on (Super) Star Destroyers?

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Product of its time in more than one way lol

[@jamesricker3997]

Technically the bridges were not that exposed, they were separated from the rest of the ship to prevent the command systems from becoming collateral damage from another hit and had their own independent shield generators, making it the most heavily shielded part of the ship It looked good on paper, in reality it didn't work as well

[@TwoFace123-f2n]

First, you know what, I don't like saying first anyways, what's the point in that? I'll no longer say it anymore. Anyways, great video.

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

It's a nice victory to be first. Enjoy it! I'm used to competition with sports. It's nice to win, feels good.

[@TwoFace123-f2n]

@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw I guess your right.

[@rjonboy7608]

I thought the idea of the standard TIE fighter was speed, size, and maneuverability. They didn't even have real life support systems or armor. Every bit of power went into thrust, which was great until the X-wing was invented (I believe not long before Yavin). The X-wing was a TIE killer. The older Y-wings did not do well against TIEs. (Some of this seems to have been retconned since, but in the movie that's all they had, no A-wings, B-wings, F-wings, or F-words.)

[@HybridRenoII]

It would be like when the Leader of The Luftwaffe Herman Ghoring looked up saw The American P-51D Mustangs... "The Wars Over" Air Superiority can and would go a long way

[@thomasdaywalt7735]

Thrawn was right the out come of victory is determined by even the smallest detail he know that a tie fighter with advancements was the key if thrawn succeeded in the defender it might have change star wars as we know it

[@michaelhartman2823]

I got a good military idea...put Thrawn as Grand Moff! Next keep Palpatine visible and nice, keep Vader out of sight. How about not blowing up Alderan? Ticked off a lot of people

[@hermaeusmora345]

First Order TIES Have Shields? Tell that to Poe Dameron.

[@mirrorslash028]

They don't protect against missiles I guess

[@DanTKD87]

Unfortunately as we see in the movies the first order completely disregarded all of their research.

[@january3rd293]

DARK LORD OF EVIIILLL!!! Yeah, lore FO and movie FO seem like entirely different organizations.

[@LCTesla]

More Tie Interceptors would have worked. They dodge blaster fire easily so they don't need shields and their firepower vs. starfighters is excellent. Tie Defenders and Tie Advanced don't look suitable for mass production on the scale required.

[@philheier6345]

STAR WARS READING CLUB I have an IMPORTANT Question. Why hasn't the empire turned on their Tractor Beam to transport Red-Squadron and Gold-Squadron (The X-Wings and Y-Wings which Attacked the first Death star in episode 4) to a Death star Hangar as they did with the Millenium Falcon after it reached the destroyed Alderaan-System. Where there to many rebel-starfighter to bring everyone to a Hangar or did it cost much Time to reload the Tractor beam after Obi wan kenobi had turned of its Power. Or didn't Tarkin want to waste Energy in the Tractor Beam? Did he rather used the Energy dir the Superlaser so Yavin 4 could be destroyed quickly? Was he just arrogant? Or do you have another reason? Could you answer this in a Following Video, PLEASE? Because your Videos are GREAT!

[@bdills89]

I find it extremely coincidental that these mistakes are real similar to our military

[@alphacentary]

Lack of shields could have been overcome with numbers and point Defense on ISDs. At no real extra cost to the empire.

[@musicwarrior7630]

They say one ISD could subjugate a system.... If that was the case then cruisers and frigates should make up the bulk of a fleet with an ISD as its center, that combined with versatile fighters and bombers the empire would of ruled far longer than a thousand years....

[@kauske]

If the Empire developed some half decent guided missiles instead of relying on WWII style AAA batteries. :P Or like, even a modern style direct-fire AA weapon like the CWIS systems seen on real world naval ships since about the late 70's.

[@SanvelloSerapiega]

Did they simulate the force guiding the death stars destruction in the battles cause that might be why sidious thought shields were useless

[@darthmemeious9526]

you mean the shield generator over the exhaust port? too expensive

[@silvervalleystudios2486]

Anybody notice how the rebels didnt have an evacuation plan for Yavin 4 like they didon Hoth?????

[@mtdewxtreme669]

I love ur vidz can u do one on admiral daala please

[@thomasdaywalt7735]

The liberation of lothal was the most important

[@molochfilmstudio1037]

Empire was prepared for massive war, something closer to Clone Wars and Vong invasion. They were focused in other things. Thanks to their tactics they were capable of fast destroying enemy and take ovee planet with only one ISD. However, guerilla war was totally dofrent thing and this was tactic used by Rebelion. Its not that simple to convert entire navy to diffrent tactic, when you have to produce totally new equipment and train officers in new approach. Such massive changes would strike budget heavier than death star.

[@Dark-Lord-Of-The-Sith]

Since TIE Fighter came out and I spent hundreds of hours playing it, one thing has bothered me. The TIE Defender is so incredible that one can single handedly take out a screen ship, why were they not front line assets? Yes I understand The Gunboat Diplomacy they wanted. Yes Defnders cost a lot. Yes elite pilots were the ones that could handle the incredible Starfighter. If the Executor had all the TIE Fighters replaced with TIE Defenders, the Rebel Scum would have been crushed in short order.

[@dragonsword7370]

When first developed I'm sure it mattered but Many years later by the death star/yavin era shield generation technologies got Better! Plus, if they out in the effort it would have been easier to make them down the road. Plus, pilots surviving longer means better veteran pilots too!

[@CD-Freedom]

How do you think the empire should have organized its fighter corps?

[@thomasdaywalt7735]

So a tie fighter with a medium shields history would had been differnt

[@user-po8ri5pq9g]

1:06 is it just me or does that TIE need to eat a cheeseburger?

[@superomegaprimemk2]

If the empire had invested in their fleet instead of the Death Stars that would of changed everything, the rebels wouldn't of gotten the moral boosts from their victories, Yavin was their biggest sucess in terms of moral, they took down the weapon that wiped out a planet, if the empire had only put their money into the fleet instead, the rebels would not of gotten the boost they got when people learned of the destruction of the planet, also, it wouldn't of set Luke Skywalker on the path to becoming a Jedi, Han would likely still be on the run from Jaba until he can get enough money to pay him off, then again, one doesn't wonder why Han didn't just use the falcon's weapons to blow Jaba's palace up with the Slug inside, its not like there was any defences as such.

[@gpaje]

It's called Plot Armor. They didn't need fancy Tie fighters, they just needed to actually deploy them in a way that wasn't moronic. Like actually having them on patrol around bases and stations instead of waiting until a full attack in underway before launching any of them. Of course having any strategic sense would mean the rebels would have no actual chance in winning. The problem is they made the Imperial Forces too strong and only incompetent leadership and strategy by Imperial forces would allow the Rebels to beat them.

[@-cookiez-]

Reading what would you prefer, quality or quantity?

[@EchthelionII]

Quality, always choose quality.

[@imposterblockade1826]

No quantity look at the droids and clones the droids had more they were built in days meanwhile clones took weeks to months training as they grow up tbh id use a droid army while my clone army was training up

[@EchthelionII]

@@imposterblockade1826 But in the end you're still choosing quality over quantity.

[@EchthelionII]

@Nathan-DTS I think I would agree with you on that, for combat quantity is probably better, but it's best to sacrifice a little bit of the quantity for quality, 10 extremely well trained soldiers could accomplish more than 20-30 (realistically in my opinion) average trained soldiers. I guess it all depends on what it is.

[@LordSStorm]

Think about it. Even if they only equipped them on ships deployed to the Death Stars, things might have been different.

[@tacitus7698]

Considering the death stars were already manned by the best and the brightest of Imperial officers, they should have been garrissoned by TIE hunters/defenders/advanced completely. Besides, if the Empire wanted expendable starfighters, it could just have gone with the TIE droid or a modern iteration of the vulture droid or Tri fighter, if paired up with an elite corp of manned heavy fighters, those could have been deadly.

[@Ragnarok6664]

Bring those shields 🛡!!

[@fadadioX]

"limited resources" builds superweapon bigger than the death star

[@hodor9851]

They never said they had limited resources

[@grandmofftarkin8519]

Thrawn: 900 IQ plays

[@imposterblockade1826]

They gotta start making clone wars era movies or tv shows again they have stayed w the skywalker empire vs rebels era since the fucking 70s the 1970s

[@robertagu5533]

So shields were ALL that was needed to beat Rebel fighters... being. Vet myself... I rather doubt it seeing just how powerful an average Xwing woulda been compared to even a shielded TIE. We saw how fast and easily Poe and most his flyers STILL stomped FO forces, shielded or not, and Plot didn't really have much to do with it. All they'd had to done is shoot them a few dozen more times but when your space fighters shoot a crap ton of blasters bolts as fast as they do.. that's probably not a problem a few seconds longer shooting the TIE in question wouldnt have fixed for the typical X, A and maybe even Ywing fighter even when actually shooting it out with a TIE

[@lebitelexie9350]

Personally and using some novels to back me up... I think The Destruction of hte FIrst Death Star could've been stopped if simply Tarkin wouldn't be soo arrogant and underestimating the rebels. The Death Star was chock full of TIE fighters who could swarm the attacking rebels in matter of seconds but Tarkin ordered them to stay, wanting to deal with them through the station's superior firepower. It's not even the shields... Only Darth Vader and his two wingmen were up there. TIEs should've been used as intended. In large swarms.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

The Death Star was a HUGE waste of resources, it was only ONE, when it blew up a planet, the resources that planet would've given if conqured were lost. They could've build, lets say, 1000 Star Destroyers instead, maybe even equipped some of them them with a smaller "Death Star laser". And you're 120% right when it comes to fighters, just a little shields would ensure fewer losses, meaning less resources wasted from having to replenish lost fighter.

[@joehayes9933]

TBF, the Death Star worked. If not for sabotage then it was pretty much invincible and Death Star II had rectified those flaws. The Empire chose to gamble and lost.

[@synthilein]

1:02 I like your diction!

[@steampunkster2023]

Oh well, every villain organization must have an Achilles heel. Which makes me wonder what would be the flaw of First Order in the next and last episode of this franchise, messed up as it is.

[@rickykravitz374]

I mean. Ig-88 was literally taking over the second Death Star so it kinda needed to be destroyed

[@lord.vader.himself]

The Empire would have won if the Rebellion didn’t have plot armor.

[@jamesricker3997]

Tie Defenders still might not have been able to win the Battle of Yavin The Death Star deployed all its tie fighters in Zone Defense. Without Darth Vader being present it would have been Porkins who got to kill shot on the Death Star

[@CadillacDeMille]

It's an interesting idea but it doesn't seem JJ Abrams was told about it. Go see Poe Dameron at Takodana...

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

They have shields, the shields just don't last past the first few shots: they're meant to stop glancing blows while you juke away, not absorb dozens of hits.

[@ReplicatorFifth]

First Order was so cool before TLJ. What could have been the most intimidating enemy :(

[@alluringming]

Aside from better navy the imperials should listen to officers who may had more experience in arm conflicts. Such as sideous not listening to his own men when they aired their opinions. Good flexible navy and ground forces with better command structure with very little resources going to super weapons

[@Davitofrito]

wouldn't they have won if they had just deployed their TIE fighters en mass at Yavin? Didn't the DS1 have thousands of fighters just sitting in hanger racks going unused because Tarkin was too confident?

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

It's certainly possible, but attacking fighters in the trench would have been beyond almost all of the TIE pilots. Even Vader's wingmen didn't try taking shots, leaving it up to the Empire's best pilot.

[@PurityKontrol]

If a frog had wings...

[@wakinyanredwolf6949]

As you said, putting shields would have cost the TIE speed, and the ability to move as they did Also it would have cut down on the fighters weapons power. I feel like this was done to close a loophole in the origtrig. But I also don't think it works logistically. In other words it's the Dr Strange "only way". "Well it would have happened that way because the first order ran tests". Uhm, no. This falls flat for me

[@karlrovey]

It sure didn't hurt Vader's TIE.

[@wakinyanredwolf6949]

@@karlrovey right? Notice how much larger Vader's TIE was!? Because it would have needed more power for the shield, so it had a bigger powerplant. All the regular TIES would have had to been upgraded to handle the bigger powerplants. Then they are no longer regular TIES, they're TIE Advanced. Regular TIES couldn't handle it without the loss in power to other systems.

[@jasondunbar3592]

Cheap and cheerful quantity over quality

[@hodor9851]

*But doesn't quantity count as quality?* -The Second Reich

[@bluenight104]

Further proof that Tarkin was an idiot, and his incompetency was what truly doomed the empire. Had Thrawn had his position the rebellion would’ve been routed within a month and his more reasonable nature would’ve placated many civilizations that eventually rebelled.

[@stuartnaknakim9441]

Yes

[@BNOBLE981]

Or they could have just gone with Droid Star Fighters like the separatists, would not matter how many got shot down then. Or you know just better AA in general for the Death Star and Star Destroyers.

[@tobolulo]

You should have told this to the scriptwriters.

[@alexgrabienski4185]

First Death Star could even have been saved, if every available Tie fighter would have been deployed in battle, not just Darth Vaders personal squad. Read something about that the rebel pilot would have been outnumbered by 50 to 1.

[@alexgrabienski4185]

@Nathan-DTS in Episode IV an officer came to Tarkin and said, that there is an possible threat for the station and that Tarkin should be evacuated. So I think they knew, that something were wrong.

[@hornet718]

Actually, if the clone army was maintained and not used conscripted soldiers throughout the galaxy, Imperial desertions would not have existed. The number of clones that fled the Grand Army of the Republic were less than a percent compared to the millions of soldiers that were produced, fought, survive and died on the battlefield. Additionally, what was also present but not talked about was the pro-human movement putting humans in charge of key areas of the republic and promoting privileged individuals to the rank of admirals, generals and moffs who did not have practical military leadership skills also doomed the Empire. What would the Empire would be like if Thrawn was Grand Moff instead of Tarkin? The Imperial Navy would have been vast and the Death Star would only have been built only after the navy secured the galaxy. Thrawn would also have many individuals positioned who could lead and carry out orders efficiently, the officer core would have been stronger and Vader would not have execute many in the Empire for failure or incompetence. It is clear Palpetine did not want to manage the day-to-day operations of the Empire but if he looked deeper into Republic and recruited those based on skill and not pedigree, the rebellion might not have been formed. Thrawn, though strict in protocol and duty, would not have been a brutal warlord as Tarkin and the other moffs and admirals. Only when it comes to attacking the empire would we see Thrawn's cold calaculations be swift and brutal. Thrawn for Grand Moff in 15 BBY!!!

[@中华民国万岁-c4g]

No, just name thrawn as supreme naval commander.

[@jamesfry8983]

im a pad thai fighter those evil noodles must die the only way how with chopsticks

[@angelr864]

Do you love destruction with low cost

[@johnO21]

Join the Empire

[@mason3872]

Definitely not the advanced v1... have you seen that ship?

[@theAverageJoe25]

Tarkin was a dumbass, instead of a military of advanced efficient and high quality ships, fighters, walkers, and troops, Tarkin decided it made more sense to have a large military comprised of flimsy shieldless fighters, oversized ships with over exposed bridges and shield generators, and super-weapons instead.

[@farhanrahman3609]

real vid starts at 1:40