The Real Reason Thrawn Developed the TIE Defender! (Canon)

[@starwarsreadingclub]

Imperial officers: To ensure the future of the Empire we’re going to…limit the capabilities of our TIE Fighters. Grand Admiral Thrawn: …oh. Here’s a better idea. Thank you for watching everyone, I hope that you all enjoy today’s video!

[@Paerigos]

You know... I have been listening to Ascention audiobook last week again... It was so Gratifing to get to the passage where Jagged, Tahiry, and Ashik evacuate a dying star destroyer using 3 of the remaining TIE defenders... the thing was perfectly workable 45 years after the battle of Yavin. (I assume they gradualy got better reactors guns and shields though)

[@lordvader7716]

Star Wars Reading Club He is a good general

[@michaelaj5977]

Thrawn: here's a better idea Empire: ...nah

[@articusramos808]

Clone veteran: Tell me about it, I once flew a v wing.... now its collecting dust.

[@MyButtsBeenWiped]

Well, the obvious problem, is, that TIE Fighters are named TIE Fighters, because they have Twin Ion Engines. Each Engine has a Solar (Ion Collector) Panel attached to its Engine. In Fact, this actually works out for the TIE Bombers as well, for the exact same reasons ! Hmmm, ... ... ... Well, How About That ! Anywyay, this TIE Defender has 3 Columns (arms, legs, however one wishes to go with it !), each with 2 Solar Panels (Ion Collectors) attached. So, that, of course would add up to, at the very least, 3 Ion Engines with 2 Panels per Engine, or, 6 Engines with 1 Panel Per Engine. Now, I am not sure what particular Mathematics are being used here, but 2 of anything has always (Historically speaking, that is !) had a multitude of differing names, as in bi (bi-cycle), di (di-sect), duo (The Dynamic Duo), pair, (a Nice Pair), and Twin (Twin Ion Engine), just to name some ! So, as I was saying, I do not recall Twin ever being referred to as 3 of anything, much less 6 of anything ! Of course, I am only using True, Basic Mathematics here to Best Describe the use of the Terminology for the word, Twin. Either way, the Nomenclature of TIE (Twin Ion Engine) is no longer applicable for the Defender. But, Hey ! It's Disneys Scar Warts ! Who knows what math they use ! Who REALLY Cares ?!? After all, Disnesy Scar Warts are just Fiction, afterall ! Including anything that might even REMOTELY attempt any Relation with the True Star Wars ! Well, it certainly isn't Real Math ! By the way, I really LOVED Rebels ! I can't explain it. I Just Do !

[@aliastheabnormal]

And this is why people are willing to die for Thrawn while people just die for the Empire.

[@mr.boomguy]

Wonderfully said!

[@thedoruk6324]

Because thrawn *loves* maximum destruction with minimum cost, he's economical!

[@xSuperiorManx]

"Minimum cost" when talking about a TIE Defender... :-/

[@HotWheels_OW]

@@xSuperiorManx The ends justify the means; while there are many methods you can produce a starfighter it needs to be able to adapt to a plethora of roles in combat, this is especially important for strategists so that they can pickup and exploit vulnerabilities in the opposing fleet. From what I gather, TIE Defenders are expensive, but they are an investment that produces results in a multitude of situations let alone the improvement of survive-ability odds for veteran pilots. Whereas a project such as the Death Star is great at putting the galaxy in line (in theory) it can only effectively put down one insurrection at a time, if you have the equivalent in funding for that project in multi-purpose fighter craft you can put down multiple insurrections/rebellions effectively. Given that the rebellion relied heavily on smuggling and piracy for both funds and supplies having a dozen of these buzzing around each major system with a lightning fast response time would no doubt have a major impact in the war effort even without considering their performance on the battlefield.

[@erickuo2786]

@@xSuperiorManx Minimum cost if you are talking about keep training new pilot and have loyal experience Pilot under your control.

[@julianefaria7508]

@Victor Nikolai But so is the Death Star. The defenders were expensive but they survived the battle most of the time and so did the pilots. It’s an investment and I believe it would’ve been worth it

[@echosdatacore2056]

Thrawn is brilliant military officer, I believe he SHOULD be the one to command all of the Imperial Fleet. He's an military strategist. He should really lead the Empire.

[@AAhmou]

In Legends he had a chance to represent the imperial remnants hopefully he will get such a chance in canon.

[@echosdatacore2056]

@@AAhmou, I have fully studied his character within Legends and Canon. I fully understand what you mean as well, I'm currently reading The Last Commmand of the Thrawb trilogy.

[@lancer737]

Theirs plenty of Grand Admirals superior to Thrawn though, and Palaptine has powerful far sight.

[@Zachomara]

@@lancer737 That didn't really save the Death Star one or two; or prevent himself from getting betrayed; or losing his Empire; or buying into Tarkin's idiotic doctrine... I haven't read the books, but it seems like Palpatine's far sight wasn't as far as he probably should have had.

[@lancer737]

@@Zachomara The First Death Star was lost on purpose. Again the only reason the 2nd one was lost was because of Luke and nothing Thrawn could do would stop Luke. The Empire wasn't lost as it controls the galaxy both in legends and new lore.

[@BlueSpaceRanger]

Can't blame the pilots for defecting when given a crappy fighter. Its Pretty much like giving a soldier a knife and ordering them to attack a tank. It basically telling them that their lives are worthless and expendable.

[@lillith3159]

Yeah, i mean they had the fucking Wedge Antilles in their fighter academy but the ruthless lack of etic that they tried to indoctrinate the pilots with scared the hell out of him and made him defect to the rebels. Imagine how diferent things would be if some amazing pilot like Wedge fighted for the empire instead of the rebels.

[@atigerclaw]

The empire treated its volunteer pilots like conscripts. "We don't trust you to bail on us the moment you think we aren't looking. So you will fly this deathtrap that can't go anywhere without a mothership." This isn't even the 'we didn't need anything better than a TIE Fighter because nobody was stronger than a police force' excuse. The imperial leaders knew quite clearly how ugly the galaxy was, and how well equipped rogue elements really were. The Tarkin Doctrine was just as much about ruling your own forces through fear as it was invoking fear in the people. A powerful propaganda machine might have gotten bright-eyed cadets into the fighter academies, but fear of stepping out of line kept them serving. At the same time, being a TIE pilot served as both a skill and loyalty test. Flying the suicide coffin that was a TIE into a battle would serve to clear out people who didn't adapt ASAP, and also prove pilot loyalty if they lived long enough to get into a TIE Interceptor. It's insidious. Probably way Palpatine was Darth (in)Sidious.

[@ronjon7942]

Heh, ya. As cheap as they are, Tarkin was still pissed they cost more than the pilot did.

[@nexor7809]

@@ronjon7942 the tie may have been very cheap compared to other military fighters, but it still cost about 60,000 credits, and the engine the TIE fighters had was as a matter of fact very good. Solar panels also made them very sustainable

[@crisisamonginfinitedarthsa4220]

If had Palpatine had followed Thrawn's advice, the Rebellion would have been crushed.

[@이동연-c6d]

Crisis Among Infinite Darths AC He loses his control after the order 66.

[@lancer737]

Your forgetting Luke, TIE Defenders would do jack since he personally with the force killed multiple Star Destroyers with just the force.

[@EchthelionII]

If Thrawn was in charge from the beginning the war would be over in less than a year.

[@ratbat1072]

But the rebellion has plot armor

[@MehrumesDagon]

@@lancer737 the only force user I recall ever shown destroying Star Destroyer with force alone was Starkiller, and he's no longer canon....

[@JanPeverell]

Thrawn was the hero the Empire needed, but they did not realize it until it was too late. Well, in canon at least. In Legends, the Empire came to realize it, but then there was this one traitorous Noghri...

[@starwarsreadingclub]

I could do a whole series on what the loss of Thrawn meant, but the way in which Thrawn actually studied information moving through the Empire has been amazingly shown in Canon. He was able to determine the designs of the Death Star, and now prove why a new starfighter was needed. Great stuff!

[@xenniealchayliss2489]

Cannon is trash. Legends for life.

[@HarleyTrent378]

Tarkin’s doctrine had so many issues. He was wrong about the TIE fighters and the Death Star as well.

[@metalc.s3170]

The tarkin doctrine was logically only really good for the short term, not to be the main imperial military doctrine. But unfortunately it’s only one of the serval huge mistakes the empire made

[@lancer737]

I disagree, the doctrine have few flaws, the problem is force users like Luke ruining everything, no doctrine is going to change fate.

[@metalc.s3170]

lancer737@......., well there’s no argument against that. Farmbois with force sorcery trump everything 😅

[@HarleyTrent378]

The Tarkin doctrine basically ruled through fear. In the long term, fear isn’t going to control a large population, no matter how large the military is. Eventually, a force that is stronger will be dissatisfied with the rule of fear, and rebel.

[@anonymouspotato1082]

Don’t forget the flaws it created with the Star Destroyers and At-Ats.

[@jamz_sama5760]

It would be cool to see Ezra and thrawn having to work together to survive In the unknown Regions

[@starwarsreadingclub]

You're so right, this is currently my dream scenario Jamal. As a huge fan of the story with Thrawn and Ezra, I can really only picture this as a film or TV series, but I'd take a novel if we have to. :) Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.

[@jamz_sama5760]

Star Wars Reading Club do you think they will continue this in a comic if so do you think it will be a planet that we are aware of in the unknown regions or somewhere completely new?

[@Shadx27]

If they ever make a Tie Fighter PC game into a story, Admiral Zaarin now resurrects the Tie Defender program...

[@Oh_well339]

That game was amazing, good throwback.

[@greatsayain]

It's been a long time since I played the game. I want to replay it. Didn't Zaarin rebel against the Empire and he had the Tie Advanced. So when Thrawn was sent to hunt him down he needed something better. Hence he developed the Defender. That a the origin I know.

[@Shadx27]

@@greatsayain No, Zaarin developed the Tie Defender. Thrawn countered with the Missile Boat.

[@andrehenrique2093]

The lack of shields in tie fights never made sense to me. Only in movies such doutrine would work.

[@lancer737]

It saves weight on the fighter not having shields, that besides the fact they can just have them and launchers mounted to them if needed.

[@MehrumesDagon]

Weight, power and cost saving. Irl equivalent of Tie Fighters would be infamous Japanese Zeroes from WW2 - where design assumed, to quote in here - "performance is all protection they need". And for a good chunk of War it was considered best fighter plane by all sides concerned. Unfortunatelly for Japanese pilots tho, not only USN have developped plane to match Zero's agility while being much better protected, they've also developped fighting doctrine that neutered advantages Zeroes had. TL:DR such doctrine kinda did work irl but only untill oposite site developped counter measures.

[@lancer737]

@@MehrumesDagon That doesn't work exactly because the TIE FIGHTER was constantly given things like better cannons, near the end of the war, every TIE, not just TIE Fighters, had cannons so powerful that they can kill any Rebel fighter no matter the shield strength and armor thickness / design.

[@MehrumesDagon]

@@lancer737 and better cannons totally were weightless, costless, and took no power to discredit point of"weight, power and cost saving"? Zeroes didn't get outclassed because their cannons couldn't shoot down better protected US fighters (spoiler alert they still could) but because of US fighters catching up on performance (while still being better protected) and improved engagement doctrine of USN fighter pilots. And Tie Fighters are precisely same on core concept - superior maneuverability, and extreme firepower with virtually no defences. And as Zeroes getting outperformed by later USN fighter models, Tie Fighters get's outperformed by X-Wings.... Also it wasn't me who came up with that Analogy, Lucas himself have admitted that Tie fighters are based on Japanese WW2 fighters doctrine...

[@lancer737]

@@MehrumesDagon In the lore, all cannons on TIEs use their own independent power source. Considering what shield generators do, as opposed to cannons, the cannons are cheaper. I never heard GL say that about TIE Fighters, it doesn't exactly work as an analogy though because Zeros didn't have that great of fire power vs early war US Navy fighters except maybe the Buffalo. X-Wings do not outperform TIE FIGHTERS exactly, they both are considered equals overall. It would be the hit and run tactics that help the X-Wing get lots of kills. Look at the Battle of Yavin, 9 TIEs took on over 30 wing fighters, 2 or 3 TIEs survived while only 3 X-Wings, 1 Y-Wing, and one Arrow Head Survived. The KDR is much higher for the Empire. At Endor the overall numbers were 2 to 1 only when all the fighters from the fleet fought, they didn't though because lots of Squadrons were given defensive objectives and they didn't all fight till Lando merged both fleets to avoid the 2nd Death Star. Theirs no super clear numbers, but the Alliance likely lost more fighters than the Empire. The Alliance lost 60% of all their A-Wing Interceptors, and those are the Alliances most deadly dogfighter at the time.

[@grand-dadmiral]

Treat your every asset as indispensable, until they aren't. Do not limit yourself for fear of betrayal, for your limits will be more tightly bound than any single traitor could restrain you with.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

And what about you, Thrawn? Would the Emperor be wise to put his full trust in you? Can you really be trusted to obey and serve him above and before your own people, like you so promised him?

[@grand-dadmiral]

@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain If he did not, he would lose his most valuable asset.

[@lilpretzel5629]

I can't get enough videos about Thrawn 😆...best character !

[@EchthelionII]

Agreed

[@jameswg13]

You also missed how Vader approved the project as well and helped with improvements

[@mcpics4448]

Thrawn making correction to empire since his entering

[@dankmemer2774]

Empire: “Why you deffect?” Renegade tie pilots: “they got better whip”

[@RyanTheDark]

I can imagine him and Ezra in the unknown regions.

[@Paerigos]

Well... I still keep hoping Thrawn and Ezra show up with needle-like Star Destroyers and Clawcraft to clean up the mess. Empire of Hand and well Ezra could actually start Imperial Knights...

[@LordSStorm]

A good leader understands their troops, and listens to them when appropriate.

[@SEAL_Meme_6]

What caused the Empires fall was Palpatine's hubris and Tarkin's doctrine.

[@lancer737]

Not really. Luke and Anakin were destined to end Sidious. That being said, Sidious is one of the few successful villains ever in all of fiction alongside Hannibal Lector and Kefka from Final Fantasy 6 as they are the only ones to completely their primary objectives and or most of them, not even Thanos can make that claim as in every medium he has most his actions reversed.

[@johannesmakila2459]

There are many reason why Thrawn is my favorite character in both canon and Legends and one of those reasons is one that was talked about in this video.

[@RRaptor86]

Thrawn is the only Imperial officer I’d wanna serve under.

[@daghostds]

As someone who flew to the rank of General in Tie Fighter (the game), the Tie Defender is still the best ship in the whole Empire. It's wasting the potential of your best Ace if you leave them in a crappy Tie Fighter.

[@greatsayain]

Isn't the origin of the Tie defender a lot different in that game?

[@daghostds]

@@greatsayain Yeah it was designed almost 10 years later under the supervision of the traitorous Grand Admiral Zaarin who attempted a coup on the emperor and failed due to the intervention of the player (Maarek Stele ) and Vader.

[@greatsayain]

@@daghostds thanks. I didn't know the player had a Canon name. You said 10 years later . 10 years after what?

[@daghostds]

@@greatsayain Almost 10 years after where they introduced it in Rebels (5 BBY), Tie Defender entered limited service in 3-4 ABY for mostly Ace pilots in the EU.

[@khukri_wielderxxx1962]

THIS...is why the Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy should have been the sequel trilogy instead of the garbage we got from Disney

[@nickbowling9383]

I love that Thrawn is lauded as the smartest admiral in the Imperial Navy and his greatest creation is a is just a TIE that isn’t absolute dog shit.

[@thelonewolf9866]

Would you rather have: Thousands of starfigters chasing one space-wizard & his friends? Or: Have the same spacewizard blow up your one really expensive toy?

[@lancer737]

That space wizard will destroy both, so nether is gonna change the outcome.

[@AGS363]

How is the lack of shielding supposed to increase loyalty? I understand the missing hyperdrive. But no Shields? If there was any doubt that Tarkin was crazy, it should be gone by now.

[@lancer737]

I don't believe this lore, because they made it clear in the lore in tech books that they usually dont have shields because of cost and weight.

[@toomanyaccounts]

having too cheap starfighters wouldn't make pilots loyal. as for weight that issue can be dealt with.

[@lancer737]

@@toomanyaccounts It was dealt with, they removed the shield generators, having small generators that doesn't disrupt the TIEs flight capabilities is very expensive I assume since the generators in all Rebel fighters are almost as big as the pilot themselves.

[@Celestial_Wing]

God I wished they had made Episode 7 - 9 all about Thrawn being the Villain/Anti Hero. Would love to see Thrawn try to reorganize what was left of the Empire and enforce order in the Galaxy naturally coming to odds with the Rebel Alliance until being forced to form an armistice with Luke and the Rebels when faced with an even greater threat which I think was hinted at in one of Thrawns books.

[@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102]

I remember playing the TIE Fighter game extensively. The Defender was certainly the most overpowered fighter in the game. It was the first appearance of the Defender and in legends it was in fact developed by Grand Admiral Zaarin. That Zaarin went rogue on the empire and took his TIE Defender squadrons with him and all production facilities were the legends reason why the fighter was absend in Return of the Jedi.

[@karlrovey]

He also took the Missile Boat.

[@DynastyGuy]

Take care of your pilots and they'll stay loyal to you. What a strange concept.

[@maryuma7]

I love how you end your videos 😁

[@dustybunny6716]

Just bought the Tie Fighter manual. Love it. ^_^ Odd how the Empire would spend so much to train pilots and just waste them on death traps like the Tie. Still love the Tie though.

[@Eucep]

Leave it to Thrawn to actually think about an empire rather then a Sithshow.

[@Fimbulvinter19]

Thrawn would also have been planning way ahead to the inevitable conflict between the Chiss and whatever threat was looming out beyond the unknown regions (Now known to be the Yuuzahn Vong). It was after all the whole reason he served the Empire in the first place. The Death Star could only strike one target at a time, which simply wasn't good enough for his needs.

[@e21big]

Thrawn: as it turn out, giving the pilots a crappy fighter actually make them less loyal Tarkin: (surprise Pickachu face)

[@falloutghoul1]

Imagine how beneficial having a tractor beam on a starfighter is. You can knock pilots off their course, and even keep them in your crosshairs.

[@GhostEchoX17]

I love this video. I stated on a previous video of yours that I really do love tie defenders and this video helps explain it. Thank you

[@UncleMikeDrop]

I wonder what Thrawn could've done with the A-Wing series. It was a Kuat Systems Engineerimg product after all.

[@defensivekobra3873]

Its meant to be agile, nothing needs to be inproved here

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@@defensivekobra3873 Well, that's where you're mistaken. There is ALWAYS room for improvement. The RZ-2 A-Wing and the TIE-Defender are exemplars of that fact.

[@loganthekrogan2182]

I can see merits from both of these military leaders. I agree that the standard TIE needs, ordinance launchers and shield generators. However, adding a hyperdrive increases the risk of desertion as well. Perhaps, if they simply added a hyperdrive but not included a navigation computer, It could have solve the problem.

[@Gamerafighter76]

Thrawn was that commanding officer/boss that believed in giving all those serving under him a fair shot.

[@communismwithgiggles2515]

Thrawn's back must hurt from carrying the entire Empire's human resources department

[@derrabbit7289]

I love the look of this ship! It was one of the first Star Wars X Wing miniatures I got.

[@ectogambit]

In the Tie Fighter pc game it was Zaarin who developed the Tie Defender and it was Thrawn who developed the Missile Boat to counter it.

[@user-ft3jq5vi2l]

Because they aren't destroyed by a single space wizard on a fighter!

[@zaqzilla1]

I like how Trawn was the only one who wanted to know why so many people were defecting. lol

[@akuladoctor7355]

Most Imperials were looking for their own gain only, and did not cared for the cost. Thrawn never cared for glory. He cared for efficiency, and defecting imperials hurt efficiency. It is a problem that must be solved. And one potential solution is to eliminate the cause of the problem. And Thrawn is known for trying to look for different potential solutions in order to find which one is best. Even if his thinking is too fast for most people to follow, and only see the end results. By developing a fighter with much greater efficiency he achieves multiple goals. First a portion of the defecters no longer defect. Second the navy gets a strong fighter that can fight efficiently against the Rebels' own small craft. And third he gives more option for the Empire to increase their presence. The Tie Defender had it's own hyperdrive, and thus capable of doing patrols without the assistance of a cruiser. This would have allowed the empire to maintain patrols to nearly everywhere at once. While these patrols couldn't stop a large invading rebel fleet they could have alarmed nearby imperial fleets about the incursion.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

1:29 A lot our pilots don't like the fighters, because they don''t have fx. shields, but don't worry about it, it makes them loyal. Tarkin you idiot. Like giving your infantry sticks and send them to fight someone who's using modern automatic weapons.

[@suddenshotty]

I completely understand the Tie Fighter pilots, who would seriously want to fly in a death trap?!

[@lancer737]

Most the people in the Imperial Navy did, since most of them are the washouts from the Imperial Pilot program.

[@mitthrawdoritos30]

Thrawn: Palp can we get Tie fighter? Palp: We already have Tie fighter at home. Tie fighter at home:

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

HOPE HE'S IN ep 9......

[@jonathanryan9946]

Could you cover Thrawn vs Zaarin from Legends? Plus the development of the TIE Advanced, TIE Defender and Missile Boat in that story.

[@OneWhoKnowsThings6009]

Thrawn fought for the people.. If he was emperor in canon all I can say is the empire would be in a better condition then the new order lead by smoke..

[@Fredo63200]

He felt that the Empire needed to sell more toys.

[@skybot7091]

I thought it was made to counter the powerful a wing interceptor which had shields, hyperdrive like the tie interceptor

[@kharilane1340]

TIE Interceptors don't have shields or hyperdrives. They are just faster TIE Fighters with cool wings.

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

For being held in such high esteem, Tarkin's doctrines were generally a horrific failure. Why did Sidious place such trust in a man who's dictates failed so regularly?

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

Well believe it or not, Tarkin’s general intelligence rivalled that of Thrawn’s, and the Emperor’s surpassed them both.

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain I don't doubt his intelligence, just his practical judgement. He seems to hold to doctrines that ultimately backfire in the long run. And you would hope given his military service he would understand the need for quality. I would not choose him for such a role as he had

[@kharilane1340]

The problem was the mindset of the real decision maker, Darth Sidious. Tarkin's methods bred fear through out the galaxy. The Dark-side of The Force is powered, in part, by fear. Tarkin's doctrine actually made the Sith Lord PERSONALLY more powerful. Sidious cared about that aspect more than anything else. That was the reason he endorsed Tarkin's terror machines over Thrawn's flexible navy, his own personal gains!!!

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

in the old game star wars rebellion (a very old RTS) which was a far superior game to any SW rts that came after it... I realized just how ASS building the death star was and how insanely limiting the tie fighters were, the alliance fighters would literary pulverize my vastly superior fleets because I would lose half my star fighters early due to them slowly deploying from star destroyers (the alliance fighters hyper spaced in with the fleet) it was not until I reached the tie defender and lancer frigate (both which thrawn researched) that I realized how insanely more powerful my navy became, the alliance had to marshal more capital vessels and match my tie defenders fighter to fighter if they wanted a chance to win, the death star was a HORRIBLE waste of resources, and with its cost I could make tens of capital ships and hundreds of tie squads (it should cost more but the game limited it) I wish one day the game will get the remake it deserves

[@akuladoctor7355]

In Empire At War the Tie fighters got deployed real quick, and usually right after jumping on the battlefield. Meaning that unless, if you had the fleet jump into the middle of a fight the fighters, and bombers are already at your disposal. But seeing most movies, and illustration i can see the point. They can release a limited tie-fighter at the same time, and the Rebels can basically shoot them as they move out. As for the deathstar being a waste of resource. I am not fully sure about that. It was meant to be a deterrent mostly. The idea of terrifying everyone into submission. If you fight, if you rebel, then we can blow your entire planet to dust. It is similar to the Atomic bomb in real world. Nobody likes to attack a nation that has nuclear weapons. Knowing, that if they decide to use it, then there will be extreme casualties.

[@darkwolf4434]

Thrawn destroys Tarkin with facts and logic

[@TheBlueMatrix]

there is one more thing left out, lets say if thge pilot did turn against the empire using this vessel or it itself got stolen there is a kill switch function that will disable power and detach all gliders from the tie and leave u completely vulnerable

[@ronjon7942]

Oh, no doubt. That’s standard dark side stuff. Didn’t Darth Malgus have cyber implants to keep him under control or restraint, or even kill him?

[@TheBlueMatrix]

@@ronjon7942 i dont study malgus much but if its anything similar to vader involving limitations then absolutely

[@sbs3000]

I addition to their lack of the Empire's boundless resources, could the TIE Defender have influenced the development of higher-quality TIEs by the First Order?

[@BitoyV3]

Was a fear of desertion the reason TIE Fighters didn't have a heavy weapons payload either?

[@razvandobos9759]

The TIE Phantom should be canon.

[@lancer737]

Legends is canon, its just secondary canon.

[@monarchist1838]

Anyone here after Tales of the Empire where Thrawn’s role in the creation was retconned and now Morgan Elsbeth actually invented the Tie Defender?

[@brainplay8060]

Tarkin seems to be the whipping boy for every bad doctrine. There was no need for a hyperdrive when the dogfighter's job is to defend capital ships against other ships. Meanwhile the capital ships did all of the heavy lifting for everything else. The Rebels didn't have capital ships so they needed something with a hyperdrive. Shielding isn't as big of an issue. It's a second chance only. A single volley will typically take down shields while the 2nd volley kills you. Even the really heavy shielding of the Ywing was quickly stripped by Vader in the trench at Yavin. Most ships had to sacrifice a heavier powerplant to meet the energy needs just to have them. TIE could out fly an Xwing easily but being clipped could take you out of the fight or killed.

[@kharilane1340]

In reading the comments, I am seeing a lot of folks questioning the Empire's general doctrines, and with good reason. What I think they are missing in their understanding of why those doctrines were enacted is the influence of Darth Sidious and the Dark-side of The Force. Remember that the Death Stars and the SSDs weren't just supposed to be weapons platforms. They were specifically designed to strike fear into the hearts of the galactic populous. Sidious, being a Sith Lord, could and did use that fear to make himself, not only politically more powerful, but also more powerful in the ways of the Sith. Imagine the power that a galaxy full of terror would have given a Sith Lord of Darth Sidious's magnitude and you can clearly see his reasons for implementing what was really a cataclysmically flawed doctrine. Sith Lords are all about their own personal power and this doctrine increased Sidious's own personal power to unbelievable heights. In fact, I believe it was this aspect that made Sidious the most powerful user of the Dark-side in Star Wars history.

[@marcoslaureano5562]

They need to bring the Chiss Tie, the Clawcraft, into canon.

[@texanchiss4875]

Well said.

[@maarek71]

In the old canon the Defender didn't come out until shortly before the battle of Endor.

[@johnboats9075]

This is my favorite ship in all of star wars. Like night and day compared to a tie fighter.

[@projectdarktrooper2721]

I wonder what he would think of the dark trooper project.

[@tenebrous-merciless.3962]

Thrawn always got results. The only thing he can never truly calculate is the Force. Even with the latter he would come close. :)

[@chomabcjabeb233]

This guy has stopped using the frase "In this video exposé"

[@donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244]

:(

[@EchthelionII]

I hadn't noticed.

[@FirstArchon]

i hadn't noticed but THANK GOD!

[@EchthelionII]

Wait a minute........you misspelled phrase.

[@stilth60050]

When was the tie defender used?

[@ryansanico6539]

We need more about Thrawn and Ezra Bridger what happen and what did those two did during The Galactic Empire Civil war, going to hyper deep space did those two keep on fighting,or talked for peace?

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

they might be in ep 9.

[@cz1589]

How does the development of the Tie-Advanced fits in this picture? Its also an excellent fighter with almost the same features except an ion cannon (Tie Fighter game) From an fictional-historical point of view: often, the origin and motives of projects get shady during time, and research will search in many sources and sides. In real life, but also in fictional stories you might note such. (Except the fact this is just a movie product with all illogical elements, not to mention contradictions).

[@brandondudley3202]

When will the Rule of One video be out? I can't wait to see it 😁

[@solid2713]

what was thrawns thoughts on the force

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

enigma he said

[@kamranc.1977]

Noble - Thrawn definitely a special character

[@thebravegallade731]

They had ONE job. Like OK hyperdrives I understand, unsessisary for an escort fleet. they should have just made the standerd model a tie interceptor with some shields.

[@sarahmaryrules2]

Grand admiral Thrawn is sooo cool!

[@Justice094]

Tarkin truly was a fool.

[@thunderstudent]

If Tarkin rejected Thrawn’s request and caused the grand admiral to defect the rebellion would have been unstoppable.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

Thrawn for emperor

[@akuladoctor7355]

The no hyperdrive, and dependence other ships aren't that bad idea. It guarantees that the pilot cannot desert during the battle at the very least. Unless Rebels manage to capture a large imperial ship. However the lack of shields, and strong weaponry are truly a bad idea. It means their efficiency drastically lowered, and peoples usually don't like suicide missions. When going into that fighter is a 90% chance of death, then people might reconsider their options to avoid it.

[@DarrelsWonderland]

Thrawn is my favorite Officer!

[@Attaxalotl]

1 Tie defender W/death star plans Vs 1Death star. Who would win? Tie defender obviously, It has missiles.

[@night-x6793]

So other words he wanted to show off new cool toys to make lot more people join his side to get one of those new toys.

[@akumaking1]

Thrawn should have been running the Empire.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

Why?

[@akumaking1]

@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain Read the Thrawn Trilogy for examples.

[@trosway]

It would have been to watch these in action

[@Thomas20Smith]

I’ve always wanted to pilot a craft that had a zero percent chance of survivable when engaging rebel scum, just separates the dumb from the smart people.

[@Me-cm5ql]

Cuz its bad ass

[@Banchoking]

I want to see what Thrawn could have done with the Supremacy.

[@kharilane1340]

He would have hated that ship, as he did the SSD's and the Death Star projects. Thrawn wanted the Empire to develop better cruisers, frigates and fighters, not more behemoth weapons platforms.

[@Lego-Joe-1]

Who else wants to see a TIE Defender lego set?

[@lancer737]

We got one, it was kinda cool.

[@DrownedInExile]

The Empire probably could have done just as well by replacing the old TIE/Ln's with upgraded TIE Interceptors. Give them shields, life support, and torpedo launchers, but no hyperdrive. As is, Thrawn's T/D strikes me as massive overkill. Even the Empire's bloated military budget would be strained to include large fleets of Defenders in every battle group. At least not without drawing resources away from projects like the Death Stars.

[@FirstArchon]

not if you consumed the entire tie flying coffin budget

[@kharilane1340]

If you get rid of both Death Star Projects, the TIE Defender or your idea of the enhanced Interceptor, would have been way more affordable to mass produce. The problem was really Darth Sidious. He wanted the Death Stars and the Super Star Destroyers because they produced terror which the Dark-side feeds off of. In short, the effect of those weapons on the Galactic populous would increase Sidious's PERSONAL strength. He cared about that over any other factor!!!

[@DrownedInExile]

@@kharilane1340 Good point, I hadn't thought of the terror-effect on feeding the dark side. All the more reason to replace T/LNs with enhanced T/I's. T/D's strike me as an ideal or perfect solution, and perfect is the enemy of good.

[@MrNihilist74]

Would have looked cooler if they angled the wings in instead of out.

[@ArteriusSaren]

Just imagine absence of plot armor in SW, you don't even need TIE Defender due to number advantage of Imperial Navy, even if you are Wedge Antilles you're in trouble with odds 3:1 against you.

[@FirstArchon]

I don't think the tie fighter have ever won a 3:1 engagement

[@jonnyblade3234]

Without shields wouldn't the tie fighter be vulnerable to space dust. Also they would have had to implement additional plating to protect against solar radiation

[@lancer737]

The materials that SW ships are made of us dramatically more durable than what we have. An Imperial 1 Star Destroyer hyper spaced rammed a CR90 and didn't even take a scratch.

[@kharilane1340]

The "wings" of a TIE Fighter are actually solar arrays that draw in the solar radiation to help power the ship.

[@KEVMAN7987]

Too bad the Thrawn clone was killed by Luke & Mara in the EU. If he could have been turned to the side of the New Republic he would have been a great help during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.

[@ArteriusSaren]

Nah, story about good and evil too good to be fair and square with the logic. They're rather lose hundreds of billions because of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, than let someone take part of they precious freedom. Only Revan can understand him.

[@coreythorne6936]

Thrawn might have been a better leader to lead to Empire instead of Palaptine.

[@xenniealchayliss2489]

Tie defender was on pc games before zhan came up with thrawn tho?

[@lancer737]

Yeah, the way I take it, Thrawn is experimenting with his own leased TIE Defenders, as Zaarins are slightly different, arguable more dangerous than Thrawns.

[@kharilane1340]

@@lancer737 Zaarin's storyline is no longer cannon. The canon TIE Defenders are solely the pet project of Thrawn. I do like the Legends storyline better but at least we got the best Imperial strategist and the best Imperial fighter out of it. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was Thrawn who defeated Zaarin when he went rogue and Thrawn got Zaarin's now vacant Grand Admiral slot.

[@lancer737]

@@kharilane1340 Legends are still canon, secondary canon to be exact. Theres nothing definitive that makes Thrawn the soul creator of the TIE Defender. Lastly Zaarin was constantly beating Thrawn in their conflicts, it was his own officer that caused him to lose as he was a Rebel supporter, he stole everything Zaarin had stolen from Thrawn and was gonna hand it over too the Rebels until his ship was destroyed and all the valuables were lost.

[@RocketHarry865]

so limiting the capabilities of the tie fighter made the pilots rebellious cause it made them felt like they were expendable

[@mikkelnpetersen]

Unless you can build a Death Star for EACH star system, it's useless.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

In other words thrawn's philosophy is more thought out.