The "Miracle Cure" Raises Serious Concerns | Dragons' Den

[@robinthebobin6537]

Everyone gangster until Deborah gets her hand on a legal document

[@ebonimom6964]

Yes. Shes great at scouring through documents and tearing them apart.

[@deanellison9206]

Sat there wearing leather shoes, eats meat, etc. Sit down…..

[@roberthutchins4297]

I am amazed at the speed at which Deborah goes through legal documents. I wonder how much of the shows have a preceding element, when any relevant documents are inspected. I know that happens on the American equivalent of Antiques Roadshow, say.

[@robinthebobin6537]

@@roberthutchins4297 100% I am completely sure they get a good look at all the documents beforehand, and I also imagine the show is quite scripted on the dragon side, especially with regards to the point in time they have to drop "bombshells". It only makes sense; good TV needs good pacing and tension to keep it interesting. I would be very interested to see a behind the scenes for dragon's den tbf

[@EJKelly]

Deborah is great Takes no prisoners

[@commodore665]

Bollocks , the biggest concern for men ( over 40 ) is not grey hair , it's going bald .

[@davidmg1925]

Totally agree

[@i8-2much95]

commodore665 Bollocks, the biggest concern for men is no blad, it’s woman.

[@johnsmith-wx5fb]

What about nob size?

[@madclown7308]

I agree, I'm 25 and has grey and getting bald but i am more concerned of my baldness

[@chrisstanley9477]

Not to mention makes you more aesthetic

[@pavladavlas]

You know shit’s gonna hit the fan when Deb asks for the documents.

[@DeeSee77]

Deb hahaha

[@MCFC111]

Certainly

[@abdalazizalattar7073]

You make me laugh

[@bilalahmed2123]

lol

[@cannonball9478]

😂

[@psoteriou3884]

That's what I like about Deborah: she's razor sharp, she can see through crap like this and she's willing to put herself on the line and call them out on it. Respect.

[@WobblesandBean]

Right? I adore her, nothing ever gets past her.

[@ryannorthway2540]

Just want to add that the chemical that was tested on animals is called glycerin. If you've ever used lotion, soap, eaten ice cream (even the organic ones, because glycerin is organic) or basically all make-up products then you've used/eaten glycerin. The same chemical Deborah berated this woman for including in her product, Deborah also uses in her own products that she sells, and yes, if she buys the glycerin from China then it was tested on animals (and I guarantee she buys it from China because they produce the cheapest). Electricity was first tested on animals, should we not use it because of that? A majority of her "shtick" on this show is to misconstrue or completely misread/misinterpret basic chemical knowledge. There is a reason Deborah goes straight for the MSDS sheets of products, and its because you have to be trained to read them properly and if not, you can make up basically any inflammatory statement you want about any product.

[@ellenkarlsson9490]

@@ryannorthway2540 She didn't berate her for using glycerin, she berated her for using a product tested on animals.

[@love922007]

I didn't used to rate her years ago.... Now I really really respect her. She's very fair.... Understands all the paperwork and never puts her ego over the entrepreneurs. She gives them a bridge of retreat if another dragons unfairly harsh. She never seems to punch down.

[@ryannorthway2540]

@@ellenkarlsson9490 I'm just trying to point out that Deborah framed this thing incorrectly. The X-grey lady never tested her product on an animal. She bought glycerin from a company that was legally required to test it on animals. Again, if you buy any chemical from China, as many (most) small companies do, then you bought a product that was tested on an animal.

[@Aaron-kp6kp]

Did you guys notice how the woman says “It’s very long” when giving the documents? She was hoping that since it’s long and maybe complicated, they wouldn’t want to read it.

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

Yep, spotted it immediately too....and that would`ve really got the Dragon`s goat, not just mine.

[@livin4thelamb499]

Yeah, I definitely noticed that.

[@bettym.3996]

...and inside here, which is a lot of reading..."

[@janeclarkson8471]

I thought the same. Deborah knows exactly where to look first!

[@ameliashostak4764]

my exact thought!

[@carpii]

she tested it on 50 people for 28 whole days. None of them suddenly went grey, so I guess it really does work

[@realdiamondshow]

Exactly...a 28 day test on 50 people is an idiotic scientific test. Totally insufficient.

[@MinotaurvsCyclops]

Could just be dye? Lol

[@Mashburn007]

Well she said that she improved the strength of the formula by 6 times than the companies like L'Oréal etc use , so yea it must work , the dragons were just scared and pissed that it's not something like a fool with a pot of gold came to them for their help so they could milk the fool for bollock amount of profits. Her product may not be the first but it may definitely end up being a hit seller in saloon space . There are hair loss/fall products so flushed in markets and people does try them out of their misery, u ever heard of a hairfall product that actually works? Hehe 😁, this could have atleast saw some sales from the people who suffers from grey hair genetically or at an early age

[@carpii]

@@Mashburn007 Yes but when asked how she can prove it works, she mostly just explained what the chemical agent is believed to do. She isnt a chemist, and so when she says she improved it by 6 times, she most likely means it was simply concentrated. Besides, she has no exclusivity on the substance, so in the unlikely event it is effective, there's nothing stopping L'Oreal licensing the same substance from the manufacturer, improving it in their labs (no doubt with much more resources than she had access to), and then any market share she does build is simply eliminated

[@MorriganSlayde]

As a statician, I freaking cringed so hard.

[@HelloMyNamesNino]

“This kind of thing makes me really cross” 😂 when someone uses the word ‘cross’, the other person instantly becomes a 6 year old

[@pippipster6767]

But what happens if the other person is 5 ?

[@2amdreaming]

Pip Pipster 😂😂

[@caitlin9007]

Nino just got ya to 200 likes

[@ineedaname1341]

@@pippipster6767 hMmMmMmMmMm

[@censored9889]

but let's be honest, how many products that have been tested on animals has Debra used in her lifetime...? I don't rly get why she's so angry about it being used on animals.

[@shadowmoses6084]

“They will regret that” “I have got a phenomenal product” Company went bust in 2017. I think the dragons will be ok.....

[@justinlynch3]

I guess the dragons was right then.

[@tc5290]

Thank you oh wise Anon, saves me the minutes of research and half an hour of reading other pitch failures

[@choonfeilai2919]

Is it true? This lady company went burst? So meaning the product is in fact not delivering the effects she claimed in the first place?

[@Myriadconsciousness]

@@choonfeilai2919 obvi

[@normative]

@@choonfeilai2919 Don’t you think you would have heard of the company by now if the product actually worked?

[@maxithalo7796]

when she repeated the scientific explanation word by word you know its a scam lmao

[@seanjones2524]

Sajida: "Research shows the biggest concern for men over 40 is going grey" Me, whose living costs have gone up £400 per month in less than a year: "oh no, my hair"

[@exysness]

HAHAHAH xD

[@ineedanewname.8169]

Even when this was filmed I'd think it would be going bald/receding hair, not the fact that the hair is going grey.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

@@ineedanewname.8169 Yeah a lot of men look great with greying hair tbh, like that George Clooney look

[@Blackmuseops]

Yeah imma go with rent, food, coffee & Cigarettes. In that order. & I have it easy, being a bachelor with no kids

[@fullmetalhxh]

sean, i truly admire your restraint from pulling your hair out in the current spiralling out of control costs that you speak of

[@mattleuty5285]

Whenever Jenny gets a grey hair she simply pulls it out.

[@naraharimv]

🤩🤩

[@LondonSambaDancerBellydancer]

lol

[@vienogola1421]

🙄🙄😊

[@mt2314]

No she doesn't. She has Chuck Norris pull it for her. "It's out"

[@samael5200]

LMAO

[@UNS1.Centurion]

She obviously knows that it doesn’t work, otherwise she’d be defending it to death when the dragons say they don’t believe it.

[@peterd440]

XGrey's Twitter account was created the day before this aired and became inactive after 5 days. The company was dissolved shortly after.

[@markyfilarky]

Got proof of your claims?

[@peterd440]

@@markyfilarky Do a search for them and you'll find details of the official company registration and dissolution at Companies House (it's public record) and the Twitter activity.

[@CRYSAW]

you are 100% correct

[@Raj-ul9my]

they why whd she waste her time their? and her money??

[@TomRNZ]

I seriously doubt that the number one concern for men over 40 is going grey. As a man who's nearly 40, I don't really give a shit about going grey. Going bald on the other hand... 😱

[@TomRNZ]

@@xokksDOTcom I was always told that I would be bald by thirty. My grandfather and uncle on my mum's side are bald and were both bald by age thirty, and my great grandfather on my dad's side was bald. Still, here I am, thirty-nine in a couple of months, and no sign yet. Could still happen, I guess, but hopefully not for a while.

[@karlakor]

@@TomRNZ If you are 39 years old and still show no signs of baldness, then it seems safe to say that you have beaten the odds and will never lose your hair.

[@SHADOWNINE79]

Nothing wrong with being part of the Marvin Hagler appreciation society.

[@glengraham7080]

J was quoted looking forward to being a distinguished looking grey - gutted that instead my hairs getting thinner and starting to recede.

[@yeismeload]

Salt and pepper can definitely work anyway.

[@timholder6825]

When she admits it is tested on animals the aghast looks on the dragons faces is priceless.

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

"Its not tested on animals" Apparently, rabbits and rats don't count.

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

@CC lmfao... what?

[@BeeLZBeeb]

IKR, actually stood there and lied while the evidence is right there in Deborah’s hands. Says it all really, con woman through and through

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

@@BeeLZBeeb At this point, im actually more confused by the first person who responded. I get what he said, i just don't understand how anyone could think that.

[@BeeLZBeeb]

@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 I wouldn’t worry, sounds like a troll fishing for reactions

[@swkenny]

@CC If you genuinely think that then I hope someone does horrendous tests on you one day & see how you like it, POS.

[@Elmira-s4w]

Legend says she’s still waiting for Deborah and Sarah’s apology

[@MrMetalManMe]

No more grey hares

[@supadupairishboi]

👍

[@MooreLanguageSolutions]

😂

[@youreakeyboardwarrior3624]

This should be top comment 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@andrewward4983]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lucygoldstone1155]

@@MooreLanguageSolutions haha 😂😂

[@wolfieeeee256]

If it really worked she wouldn't even need the dragons

[@Bigsby_]

spilers it didn't companycheck.co.uk/director/916648501/MRS-SAJIDA-RASHID/companies

[@sophiawatson1970]

@@Bigsby_ oh my goodness.. She's got a string of failed businesses in her name.... Wow!

[@seanjosephhayes]

Agreed. People would be begging her to let them invest and begging her for stock of her product.

[@thetessellater9163]

She mentioned L'Oreal - they were not interested in this hugely profitable multi-billion pound product - who would have thought.

[@seraphina985]

@@seanjosephhayes Honestly you would probably not even need to worry about attempting to produce it yourself. You could make yourself a fortune simply by licencing the patent out to one of the established giants in the pharma or personal care industries for them to produce it. Probably would make the most if you invited them to tender offers for say 5 years of exclusive manufacturing rights to begin with the resulting feeding frenzy is likely to trigger a bidding war heh.

[@WobblesandBean]

Treated on only 50 people over 28 days. From a Chinese company. YEP SOUNDS TRUSTWORTHY

[@TiffyVella1]

50 political prisoners they shot on day 29.

[@fluoridefree]

Like all the experimental jabs the media are pushing non-stop.

[@WobblesandBean]

@Pangaea I wouldn't be surprised, either.

[@AmandaJ355]

All she had to do was say "you won't be able to work or fly without this" and sales would be through the roof.

[@patscanlan2678]

A new admiration for Debra....well done for raising the animal testing aspect!

[@gordonramsdale]

Listen, things need to be tested, now, would you prefer we test things on humans? Or just not develop any new products?

[@xoxoxo5139]

@@gordonramsdale erm yes 😂

[@ems963]

@@gordonramsdale of course we would prefer that!

[@RM-ti8nf]

Most unnecessary things like cosmetics are tested on animals. Yeah human volunteers is a far better idea. No one up for it? I guess the product isn't that vital then.

[@dansanders2002]

@@gordonramsdale I would prefer it tested on humans because humans can consent - animals cannot.

[@remchaill9898]

The company was dissolved in 2017 without having done any business whatsoever.

[@bilalha123]

They did a lot of business in the rabbit market

[@DocBree13]

thank you

[@sp-pz8uc]

Maybe she should of tested it on more hares, not rabbits.

[@seanjosephhayes]

😱 I’m shocked to my very core! Nearly scoffed myself to death when she said they’d regret their decisions. 😂

[@jamesdspaderf2883]

@@sp-pz8uc hahahahahaha

[@SkynetTeamDREADWING]

Deborah just goes straight to the point plus she is good at finding flaws from the statements alone. KOOODOOS!

[@frankie-1076]

Ali Abbas 😂😭

[@PolitischTourette]

She really is a sharp knife isnt she !!!

[@manladan5929]

Interesting World Deborah is the second best dragon after Duncan

[@thetessellater9163]

The Dragons do have great respect for each others opinions, Deborah especially.

[@stinameaner]

@@thetessellater9163 mostly, not always. They've classed a few times

[@MrMongoose221]

How did they breaze past her explanation of how the testing was done. 50 people over 28 days? Lol

[@stormlecat6421]

And the torture on the poor animals

[@MrMongoose221]

@@stormlecat6421 Yeah that was pretty crazy too. Probably happens more than we think unfortunately though.

[@nickwilson5390]

Its such a small sample size and a tiny time frame. It would have to be a yearly trial at least

[@tessjuel]

Probably because they didn't have time to cover all the holes in ehr story properly. There were so many of them.

[@JoshuaDillonn]

MrMongoose221 she’s sexy af

[@andersonaldo1340]

It would take a doctor with a chemistry degree and business contacts to ever make this product, not some random hairdresser who buys any old solution from china and markets it as a miracle cure

[@smallbarnyardanimal4719]

Seriously... She talks about this "alpha hormone" to make herself sound smart, but she is just regurgitating a word she heard and has no understanding of the science behind it. She probably doesn't even know what a hormone is...

[@toddstones6949]

Not too mention tat massive brands have already sank hundreds of millions of dollars into solving this problem. So lady with 40k is not going to fix it

[@fluim0102]

It's not always the big boys coming up with the solutions... they can also really suffer from tunnel vision.

[@huggers5733]

Her: it’s not tested on animals Deborah: it says right here it’s tested on animals Her: other than the testing on animals it is not tested on animals 😂

[@timothylanders3189]

Monty Python haha

[@jaylockwood5030]

Deborah proving she is the Alpha Dragon!

[@theone7644]

Jay Lockwood she plays with her bougies all day

[@D-Ry]

She shares that honor with Peter

[@pocketman5510]

She's got the biggest cock there

[@jimtheburrito4080]

Debra ain’t shit will only be interested if it’s a safe bet or someone else is interested

[@FISHGOMOO4321]

@@tobsstone are you disabled?

[@Vitalstatistix]

*The day someone finds the solution to stop hair loss and grow hair back on bald people, he will be the very first multi-trillionaire*

[@abc-ni9uw]

Yes and I'll be his/her partner for sure :)

[@hhhdhhshs5120]

Or she

[@nathanhyland36]

There already are proven solutions to balding, all FDA approved that they work, just research it.

[@nigelfarage69]

@@nathanhyland36 Finasteride? No thanks. Don't want my boners to disappear.

[@kayhannan4089]

Sir Nigel Farage heard of a hair transplant? My dad underwent one and grew back all his hair - no bald patches.

[@kylefox666]

I find it very infuriating that the entrepreneur didn’t look horrified or concerned that this was tested on animals and animals eyes….

[@blindbrad4719]

It wasn't. Glycerin in the past has. it's literally so you can say your product hasn't been tested, but the ingredients are known to be safe. it's called lawyering

[@carriew5106]

I had to have a lot of my hair shaved off as part of medical treatment. It's been re-growing for a year and I have less grey hairs than I had before. Which is good as I'm not allowed to dye my hair any more! So this sort of treatment would in theory appeal to me, but I've learnt to embrace the grey hairs that I've got and just be grateful for the extra years I get to live. Whatever colour my hair is.

[@nineteenfortyeight]

You could henna 🤔

[@Right_Said_Brett]

"I have found a way to spin straw into gold and I verified it by shoving fistfuls of sulfur into puppy dogs' eyes" How exactly did she expect this pitch to go down?

[@kineticblues2766]

Right Said Brett Well Said Brett Left 👏

[@sirlionel3381]

This is so underrated 😆

[@Kraggypandapops]

Here here

[@Hunter88993]

Right

[@annettecorbett9842]

🤣🤣

[@thefox9222]

Debra sticking up for the animals! Love her

[@longq5198]

In this regard, absolutely!

[@Yuni009]

Deborah Meaden standing for animal rights is such a mood ♥

[@esw6200]

they sorted grey hair out years ago ,it is called hair dye

[@ThatBritishSnep]

10:26 "They're soooo going to regret that" This quote annoyed me the most.

[@Alex-jg2bc]

iirc, in 2017 the company went bust

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

@@Alex-jg2bc She had set up 5 companies that all went bust within 2 years, lol

[@acesigma06]

So clearly a scam, company now dissolved, guess she ain’t getting apologies soon

[@spiritualfreedom5372]

Oh come on give her a chance ;)

[@nake89]

@@spiritualfreedom5372 No.

[@perryrush6563]

Thats the update I was looking for!

[@susanwaugh2383]

I don’t believe it was a scam…it just didn’t work out

[@zaheersarang6466]

@@susanwaugh2383 I think she would've taken the money and dipped tbh.

[@user-ct8my8rv9c]

Never met anyone, literally anyone, who’s said grey hair is a number one priority or even a concern lol

[@shawnmcdoge2215]

@Ping Bong wow this was a random angry post lol who hurt you?

[@needarandomname4330]

I wouldn't even mind if I woke up full grey tomorrow. A 21 year old with pretty much white hair? It'd be awesome!

[@StefanReich]

@@shawnmcdoge2215 His ass hair is going gray, he's tilted

[@karimmarinocastromartinez34]

Almost every women or even men why do you think there Is a dye producs for older mens

[@toriamigo]

My favourite thing about Deborah is how passionate she is about the environment and animal cruelty ❤️

[@Hereford1642]

Until it hits the bottom line. The palm leaf disposable plates she rejected because they were a little bit more expensive than existing disposable solutions.

[@toriamigo]

@@Hereford1642 i agreed with her on that one, there arent many who would pay more, especially those on a budget. It would be great if we could find more affordable and sustainable options.

[@blindbrad4719]

She should've known better how efficacy studies work then. you don't test ingredients that have already been tested. documenting that it has been done in the past doesn't mean the product in its entirety was tested on animals. she found both a good loophole to back out, and provide entertaining bombastic TV.

[@9VK7]

10:00 Thought Touker was gonna start singing Chop Suey

[@kntrmnd]

Hahahahaahahahahaha underrated comment.

[@robinthebobin6537]

😂😂😂😂This actually made me laugh so much to be fair, this comment deserves more likes

[@melsimmons2885]

This comment is perfect

[@RiotontheRadioMSCR]

Wake up! Put this on your grey hair and do your makeup.!

[@CyberSystemOverload]

When Debra gets going its like a laser beam through butter. Sajida actually thought that using buzzwords would make her case?! I wonder if even she believes what shes claiming. I remember what a dear friend of mine who was data analyst once said: "Anytime someone brings up studies, results and stats - immediately ask what the sample size was"

[@schreingeiss]

Deborah is always the one who has to look through the paperwork.

[@graham9352]

She always finds something

[@schreingeiss]

@@graham9352 Exactly lol

[@miserablegaming7319]

I've had grey hairs since I was a teen and it doesn't bother me one bit most people say it looks good actually, however as others have said going bald is a big worry!

[@gruphenio6787]

Deffo 😣

[@paulbrown6464]

I find grey hair very attractive, much better than an older man having an obvious dye job

[@cleo8332]

as soon as Deborah said "it's tested on animals" , the lady had lost all the dragons. nothing should be tested on animals!

[@fluoridefree]

Practically every pharma product has been tested on animals and humans. The only exception to the animal bit is recent vaccines. Pharma don't need the animal testing alibi any more and rightly claim tests on animals can never be reliably extrapolated to humans. Will we react like a mouse, a monkey, a dog, a chicken or a hippopotamus?

[@CalCapone3]

Medicine should absolutely be tested on animals. And unless you’re a vegan, opposing using animals for safety testing but supporting using them for food is ludicrously hypocritical.

[@chilli-iceolive-abode2447]

One test in 2012. I'm sure you have used many things over the years that were tested on animals at some point. Typical virtue signalling BS.

[@BleachRush]

where do you think your pharmaceutical products come from? have you heard about lab rats?

[@karmajarrule]

Dog food should be tested on dogs

[@johncoffey724]

Deborah went IN on this! She's right too. Testing 50 people over 28 days is not enough! The company dissolved in 2017, so I guess the Dragons were right.

[@Jaydenricardo590]

“Wake up, dreams over, I’m out” Touker takes prisoners

[@VanlifewithAlan]

I suspect a 'cure' for grey hair may one day come onto the market but that product has to work from the inside to change those factors which lead to the hair changing colour. This appears to me to be like a dye. If I wanted to have green hair I am sure I could go to a chemist and get a green dye. I also think that there will be a cure for baldness one day which will also work from inside.

[@jeffhack6839]

There is a cure: Just get some kind of jab before you reach puberty. OH WAIT. JUST IN. 'We have made a puberty blocker'!!! Reality is.......... Cheers.

[@abc-ni9uw]

Going grey is the biggest problem ? NO going bald is the problem

[@MrTangolizard]

Sal khan not really most of us couldn’t care less making sure my kids are raised right is the most important thing for me and paying the bills

[@xalexflanaganx]

Sal khan ik just dye ur hair Jesus Christ

[@abc-ni9uw]

@@xalexflanaganx how about just fuck off and don't forget to pay for your kids bills even when your 90 and they are in their 50s

[@wilsybhoy]

Sal khan calm down you 🤣 who pissed in your cornflakes

[@nickforde9858]

@@abc-ni9uw Going soft is the biggest concern for men which is why Viagra made $1.6 Billion in sales last Year.

[@ricecrash5225]

Because Chinese companies are so good at protecting intellectual property. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

[@zootsoot2006]

And following strict scientific testing rules

[@tomjones6002]

Ah I see we have a few racists

[@samuelpoulston2964]

Definitely need to restrict the use of the laughing emoji for trigger happy users like you.

[@ricecrash5225]

Samuel Poulston Yep because laughter is the biggest problem we are facing today. Congratulations on challenging the big issues.

[@ricecrash5225]

Tom Jones Why ? What was racist. Pointing out Chinas horrible record of stealing intellectual property rights and poor safety records is now racist. Can’t criticise anything nowadays without wankers like you virtue signaling. Let me guess your Jewish and now I am anti-semitic for calling you a wanker.

[@davidmg1925]

I'M in my mid 50s, im going grey and couldn't give a hoot. It's having hair to go grey that's my problem.

[@thetallestdwarf7041]

The fact that she's taken aback when Deborah calls her a snake oil saleman proves she is either exactly that or a loon. If she were the real deal, she would expect a negative reaction and would acknowledge how unlikely the whole thing is.

[@MicahAP514]

I do love how the camera cuts to nervous shots of all the male dragons when she mentions grey hair

[@aliceking3818]

Deborah: ‘it’s tested on rabbit eyes, inhalation of oral for the mouse and on rabbit skin.’ Woman pitching: ‘it’s not tested on animals’ Deborah: AM I A JOKE TO YOU??

[@etherspin]

I wasn't clear on that one because she mentioned "glycerine" and said that this component was tested in 2012 so she may just be declaring that wherever she sourced the glycerine from tested that ingredient a few years ago - this would be a very different proposition to her having her combined formulation tipped in the eyes of rabbits etc

[@aliceking3818]

Tim Marshall I completely understand where you’re coming from but the facts are it has been tested on multiple animals and she said it hadn’t 🤔

[@yeismeload]

That part was hard to watch lol

[@GottaLoveShuckle]

@@aliceking3818 New ingredients in food and cosmetics are forced to be tested on animals to prove they are safe. The only difference with different beauty companies is a lot of them test their complete product on animals, not just any new ingredients that would be required to be tested. I guarantee you buy stuff tested on animals all the time from makeup to toothpaste without even thinking whether it ir not it was tested on animals.

[@aliceking3818]

Ecocritique The only issue I was raising was she was lying to an investor after she’s asked for thousands of pounds. As a creator of a product I’m sure she knew that it was tested on animals. She lied. Period.

[@Giroutte]

You would think that the "number 1 concern" for men over the age of 40 is hair loss rather than grey hair. Grey hair you can just dye it over, hair loss it's a much more concerning issue as curing it is way more difficult an expensive so I wonder what ass is she pulling her market research from.

[@DellaWatson-cz3mq]

Thats exactly what their main concern is

[@i8-2much95]

She looks the sort to mistreat her staff at the salon, her staff must laugh at her behind her back.

[@magicbeans6153]

@Bigtombowski she doesnt have sexual intercourse , she goes straight to fisting ,elbow deep....dry

[@manladan5929]

Magic beans um

[@jkm6546]

@@magicbeans6153 LOL

[@davidrochester7321]

Once deb"s read its tested on animal"s she have been closed down

[@6277D]

I hate and won't touch anything that's been tested on animals. The pitcher should test it on herself and see how she likes it. It's absolutely heartbreaking and she should be ashamed of herself. I know plenty of other companies do it but in my opinion it's not right or always necessary.

[@Jane-yg3vz]

The only way we can have products that aren't tested on animals is if the ingredients were at some point tested on animals or humans. Just because the products you use don't test on animals themselves, that doesn't mean the ingredients weren't at some point. They're just passing the blame on to someone else. We're all to blame. We all use things that are only possible because animals have suffered at some point.

[@reginalram9050]

...and she hopped on her broomstick and flew off into the night

[@i8-2much95]

They done her dirty with that thumbnail, they clearly did not like her.

[@tariqzaman4491]

Tru say raast claaat

[@iona5439]

They’re angry because she cussed their Grey hairs lmao

[@JR-ch4sl]

Tariq Zaman ahki

[@i8-2much95]

Iona they are angry because she tried to scam them. She opened social media accounts 4 days before going to this show, as soon as she got exposed by the dragons she closed everything, website, social media accounts, website the whole lot.

[@iona5439]

i 8-2 Much You didn’t get the Joke.... She mentioned their grey hairs @ 1:29

[@mcnooby383]

Jenny isn't in the video because she's already declared herself out.

[@mrcoconuthead5699]

😂

[@djpeekay25]

The word “offer” is foreign to her.

[@markperryman1797]

This is before Jenny was asked to be a Dragon

[@eligould774]

@@markperryman1797 We know 😌 It's a joke

[@markperryman1797]

@@eligould774 No! You don't say?! Well I can't believe it! , omg I'm dumbstruck, really?! Incredible, amazing! Surprise of the century! I won't sleep! Unbelievable!!

[@shugzm9016]

The best thing about grey hair is that you get to purchase X grey

[@samwiseghanjee8218]

I mean, I know her product is bad, but does Peter have to insult her personal hygiene? 8:05

[@ketchup5344]

God bless Deborah for refusing to have anything to do with animal tested products. Im so proud of her. Smart woman 100% 💪👍👍👍⚘🌈

[@zodd67]

And yet she probably eats meat or funds the dairy, egg industry a bit hypocritical isn't it?

[@ketchup5344]

@@zodd67 i dunno. Maybe she doesnt. Maybe shes a vegetarian. Id like to think so.

[@zodd67]

@@ketchup5344 she said she isn't in one of the pitches I recall

[@ketchup5344]

@@zodd67 Well thats it. I dont love her anymore infact (you may well groan now but here goes...) Im out.👀😭💥😁

[@zodd67]

@@ketchup5344 Haha fair enough, it was in the "It shouldn't have been called a sausage" video at 4:15 she just does the occasional meat free days...

[@araucariapasquale1]

I agree with Touker. She seems like a decent person. But he is also right that she seems to have almost willingly allowed herself to be fooled into believing something that 2 minutes of common sense would have suggested cannot be true, or if true, at least a few more incisive questions should be asked. It is this subconscious giving in to delusion that it is the moral responsibility of entrepreneurs to guard against. Or they mostly deserve to be taken apart like this.

[@stevechristie2569]

Most investors just want to make money legally. A helluva lot of products don't actually work. The law is weak.

[@djayyoda]

If it sounds too good to be true….

[@SString215]

Her: “it’s not tested on animals” Blonde lady: “this says it’s tested on animals” Her: “yeah” 👁👄👁

[@ScottOSaurus]

She looked so smug after taking about her “aLpHa MiLaNoCiTeS.”

[@shxnx3646]

Hahahaha

[@jyack275]

Deborah has cool values not wanting a product that tests on animals.

[@dc5285]

ingredient was tested not the product

[@TJ-jw1wm]

@@dc5285 testing on animals at all sucks

[@thevan3293]

Her company stopped trading 2017. Hair today, Gone tomorrow.

[@Clegane90]

Good job, say no to animal testing. That is just sick

[@sykessaul123]

What would you say we replace it with? Straight up human testing?

[@JR-ch4sl]

WeirdestWolf yeah test it on rapists and nonces not innocent fucking animals

[@tobsstone]

Guess you dont eat animals then?

[@agg5984]

@@sykessaul123 If it's not testing a life saving drug, you shouldn't be testing your shitty product on animals.

[@sykessaul123]

@@agg5984 I'll agree with cosmetic products not being tested on animals, I think the cosmetic industry is waaay outta proportion in general but broadly criticising animal testing which saves millions of lives in the long run is just stupid.

[@msstarlight4770]

She's absolutely crazy, nobody would believe her claims. 😂😂😂 Edit: I tried to find out if she still has the business/is still selling. But all I found was that the company was shutdown in 2017, two years after this episode was filmed.

[@davidmg1925]

She's put £40K of her own money into making it 6x stronger?

[@periperihustle4561]

David Farmer she’s been bent over a barrel, did they see her coming or what. Pay us £40k. We’ll make it stronger for you, there you go, done.

[@etherspin]

Not as simple as whacking it into a saucepan to reduce the water content, making it 6X more efficient in this case would involve not making it more irritating to skin (or increasing other problems)

[@davidmg1925]

@@etherspin ok/understood.

[@christophercantrell2821]

“A hare’s breath” and “A hair’s breath away from failure.” a double whammy in one cheeky remark, well played Evan, well played, you certainly have some top notch narration game!

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

Yeah, he`s almost on par with Murdoch`s Redtop. One of their better offerings was after Brazilian F1 driver Pedro Diniz crashed and a fireball ensued. The headline read "Diniz in the oven"

[@gordonramsdale]

You think he writes these?

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

@@gordonramsdale Comes out of his mouth, he ingeminates the bilge, so good enough for me.

[@stitchgrimly6167]

I always thought the saying was 'a hair's breadth'. Makes more sense to me than 'hare's breath'. E: I just looked it up and yeah, 'hare's breath' is a malaprop.

[@LeofromFreo]

The grey hair falls out. No more grey hair. 🙄🙄🙄

[@jimmygummidge9865]

😂😂😂

[@matteohman]

haha

[@WobblesandBean]

Most likely.

[@SilverSparkles22]

Boom

[@Swnsasy]

I've never heard a man over 40yrs saying Grey is their biggest concern, it's BALDING!! Right off the top she's untrustworthy..

[@lepre4720]

Indeed

[@ThePakfairy21]

That backaround music when Deborah started to ask questions was spot on. Well done Team Dragon.

[@brettlee6211]

50 is nowhere near a large enough sample size and 28 days is no where near long enough of testing time. If anything like this was presented for publication for any respectable scientific journal, it would get torn up and thrown into the bin

[@benmayhew5314]

Jenny: Wow thats a brilliant product and for that reason, I'm out Touker: I'll give you London office space but i want 99.9% Peter: I have a LOT of contacts in this field and could legit buy every other dragon in this room Deborah: give me the patent. Tej: hey, u wanna put it in Holland & Barrett? "but its a bicyc.." yeah, but it could be a bicycle in a HEALTH STORE Theo: Ill give you all of the children's inheritance for 5x the equity limit you said Duncan: *unintelligible angry scottish words*

[@rayjay1975]

She's been watching to many American shopping channels.

[@arnietapp423]

too

[@KR-jg7gc]

As a guy who's more in love with the unravelings of nature.. I *couldn't give a damn* about my hair going grey or going bald.. I have over the years started growing white hairs on my eyelashes, and one white hair on my mustache.and I'm *absolutely excited* to see what's going to happen

[@FurryWulfz]

Hair dye exists anyway, and can be bought now in the colour of natural hair. No reason to get snake oil hair products like this.

[@thedoctorchants]

Oh my god. This is so wrong. From the second she said her name , I for some reason realised and them she said Chinese company. And then animal tested ...game over

[@pippipster6767]

Yes she is one step away from being a Nigerian prince who would like to transfer $10 million into your account

[@carolcoates3750]

the doctor chants 00 Exactly my thoughts!

[@ezzwhitezombie666]

You realized she was a scammer when she said her name? Doesn't that make you kind of racist ?

[@nigelwilliams9307]

Well done Deborah for sticking up for animals!

[@redblade8160]

Snake oil is exactly what it is! Putting something topically on your scalp to prevent grey hair is not going to stop the body producing grey hair from within, no more so than dyeing your hair will make it permanently stay that colour.

[@conjonsilver_]

Peter Jones: :I really do hope we were wrong" 5 years later... Peter: " i was right as usual" 😏

[@shivsaranshtv5101]

he said i really hope we were not wrong wdym and why tf is everyone liking your comment just stupid

[@shush97]

I have the exact same question. You don't deserve this many likes, it's an absolute outrage

[@conjonsilver_]

@@shivsaranshtv5101 Peter is usually right in the den so him saying I hop we are wrong is unusual of him but my comment says he is right and the business didn't work and he could be smug as usual in a cool way Haha

[@AfternoonLemon]

@@conjonsilver_ - he said "I hope we're NOT WRONG" because if they are wrong they've potentially missed out on billions.

[@wilsybhoy]

Shashi Mali it’s only likes mate who gives a fuck

[@DrKikiV]

I'm not anywhere near close to a shark and I would have been tearing that product apart. Deborah is my hero on this. She speaks for the entire cosmetology industry on this.

[@ALEXMGFASHION]

It’s true what Deborah said! If anyone invent a product that you put in the hair and will never get you grey that person would be a billionaire! That would be an amazing breakthrough.

[@SharonVeeLee]

Dude, common ingredients like glycerin, mica, etc are all individually tested on animals or at least have been in the recent past. The gunk on Debra's face likely has components with a history of animal testing. The owner's final product was likely what she means about "not tested on animals," not "no ingredient has ever been subject to animal testing."

[@BernardKiprop]

Her look when Debrah says how it's tested... She didn't expect her to read that far

[@rtsharlotte]

I don't have a problem with gray hair because I'm skipping it and going straight to white hair!

[@zarasamuels9377]

Glad I'm not the only one

[@rayjaymor8754]

4 years on (they said this was in 2015) and I've not heard of this lady. Definitely sounds like she was pushing BS :-P

[@Alex-jg2bc]

Late reply but iirc in 2017 her company went bust

[@matthewkonerth5913]

0:43 "Market research shows the number 1 concern for men over forty is going grey." Touker and Peter exchange a sorrowful stare of mutual mourning. They have known this pain.

[@memyself717]

The producers clearly vetted this one and knew it would get ripped to shreds.

[@mystwolfe7791]

I prayed that I wouldn’t go grey. So the Lord just made my hair fall out 😂. He answered my prayer. I guess I should have been a little more specific

[@nineteenfortyeight]

😂 I always pray loopholes too

[@squigglebigbird9121]

😂

[@Pymmonz2004]

When Deborah asks for papers, it’s over.

[@davidlockett1370]

There's so many con men/women out there that Dragons Den will obviously trawl up a few of them.

[@SuperSweetToffee]

Hair falls out. "Look you got no more grey hair" BUT I'VE GONE BALD

[@Zoebubble]

There is never a need to test cosmetics on animals. Deborah saw straight through it ❤️

[@arkosen7548]

You know insulin still now and till about 10 years before was being made exclusively from the gut of pigs? You know more than half of the medicines you consumes are tested on animals before put on human trains that makes you keep healthy and alive?

[@ggavalon5803]

@@arkosen7548 If you're going to make a statement don't lie about it, Worldwide there is very little Pig/Cow produced insulin

[@arkosen7548]

@@ggavalon5803 haha just do a little research ... the third world nations rely heavily on porcine insulin. In fact a few days ago, the world's first successful pig heart transplant was carried out which the recipient survived for 2 months which is massive in context of the situation. I'm a physician so i know my world and don't come back at me.

[@ggavalon5803]

@@arkosen7548 this man talking about Insuline.... Then brings up a heart transplant that doesn't have any correlation. Sure I belive you work in medicine. Random KZbin commenter

[@ggavalon5803]

@@arkosen7548 why would 3rd world countries use the cow/pig versions when it's more expensive lol

[@BecciBex]

Getting old and going grey is a privilege, not a problem.

[@diegogiovannimusic]

"Wake up, dream's over" *OOF*

[@hanedorm]

While I think the product is almost definitely crap, I don't think the reasoning behind the dragon's justifications were valid here. They didn't state anything other than opinion or inference.

[@winkblue6851]

I think unethical production is a fair enough reason not to buy into it

[@SamuelMM_Mitosis]

@@winkblue6851 if you're concerned for animal testing I'm assuming you don't eat meat?

[@anthonyhutchins2300]

Well yeah... If your opinion is that it's trash then you probably shouldn't invest. Lol

[@obea003]

@@SamuelMM_Mitosis nope, fine with humanely killing animals for food, but absolutely not for torturing them for the beauty industry. I buy local meat, from local butchers and am from NZ, i know my food isnt being tortured before being killed.

[@SamuelMM_Mitosis]

@@obea003 there's a humane way to murder a 2 year old cow? Is there a humane way to kill and eat puppies?

[@ThatOneBarron]

This woman got roasted by Deborah so therefore, I'm out

[@palimpsestransparent]

*Deborah

[@Isa-qh3ue]

Dominic Easton true that they do same with drugs and medications

[@aweescotsdog8358]

Dominic Easton It was quite telling that at the end the dragons' primary concern was that they had not passed up the chance to be billionaires. Even Deborah herself was more concerned with not being proven wrong. Had she been, I wouldn't be surprised if she engaged a team of evil lab technicians herself to do unspeakable things to rodents in an attempt to overturn the findings. I wonder how much research she does to ensure that the cosmetics she wears (and other products that she uses) are only from companies that do not engage in such activities. To be fair, most of us do not want products to be tested on animals and few of us do the research to check. But I do find Deborah's outrage a tad faux all the same. She could have expressed her concern without the pretence.

[@Boshek2019]

There is a movie with EXACTLY this premise, I forgot the name of it About two companies fighting over a baldness curing formula And at the end of the movie it turned out to be a generic shampoo formula and they both got played

[@GhostChild191]

I love that KZbin's automatic subtitles were able to detect the emphasis on "not" when Debora said, "but I am NOT"

[@KYAN1TE]

Peter saying "this is a bold/bald statement" is absolutely genius!