Jiu Jitsu Is The WORST Base For MMA? Kron Gracie Proved It? THEY ARE NATURALLY SOY?

[@ifgwelf]

Imagine Ryan Hall vs Kron Graycie just rolling all over the ring at eachother 😂

[@DubyasUFCAnalytics]

Octagon not ring

[@SuperSuperPork]

🤡

[@ifgwelf]

​@@DubyasUFCAnalytics ohhhhh nooooo I said ring not octagon 😢

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Joe Rogan would cream his shorts

[@botondbakos5954]

Ryan Hall can strike a bit unless he breaks his hand like in the fight against Topuria. He has no wrestling tho

[@carlospicywiener12]

I think the biggest problem with BJJ is 90% of the training starts on the ground and there is almost no takedown practice whereas wrestling is the opposite

[@crazyjimheath]

yeah it's weird , they gotta set it up with grapple ... or ground , like you said ... some of the BJJ during fights can be entertaining ... i get frustrated when they use the wrestling to dominate control (ragdolling) or wrapping the legs .. it's worse than the BJJ ...i swear lolol ... i love stand up .. but i can appreciate certain aspects of BJJ and wrestling ... that last Merab fight was terrible , just a boring thing to see .. the way i see it ..IF you aren't doing submission attempts or ground and pound with a ton of takedowns ... it's boring for fans , you aren't doing much damage ..it's point fighting ... basically trying to gas the guy and get the decision win .. great strategy ..but sucks to watch

[@DevDreCW]

Yep, I've given up on rooting for BJJ elites VS Wrestling elites now, the BJJ guy wants the wrestler in his guard, not realizing the wrestler ALSO trains submissions and control, but does so from a superior position.

[@Todo_fighting]

I had to leave a bjj gym because everybody hated me after using an uchi mata in the "wrestling" class, the coach only wanted single and double legs without lifting the opponent.

[@JamesKP17847]

@@Todo_fighting I’ve been to a worse gym the only takedowns they allowed were trips

[@Ishbu101]

A lot of gyms have wrestling classes now

[@dr.feelgood7615]

Kron looked like a damn fool, scooting across the mat like a dog with worms smh

[@jimirwin873]

Top notch analogy lmfao

[@abdulrabbani4520]

LMFAOOOOOOO YOOOOO

[@mistaschaub3280]

They just do it sometimes without worms

[@CumImGay]

@@mistaschaub3280 ACSHUALLY

[@ironmikehallowween]

Yep. Hate it. When they butt scoot towards I just want to kick them in the face, but I can’t. Hate it. Thanks for saying it.

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

Guru used to love BJJ classes because he couldn't feel heel hooks

[@danieljones6072]

Ryan hall kryptonite

[@stipemiocic_speech_therapist]

Kron Gracie had such a bad performance people were literally saying, “Kron put on a bad name for Ju-Jitsu, making guys like Ryan hall look bad” as if Ryan hall is somehow good🤣

[@Kut2Static]

Kron makes ryan hall look like jon jones

[@successkarate6393]

Kron is just dated in his Jiu Jitsu

[@crystalmoore170]

Yeshua Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect

[@crystalmoore170]

@@successkarate6393 Yeshua Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect

[@crystalmoore170]

@@Kut2Static Yeshua Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect

[@jessepaiz6356]

Jiu-Jitsu guys either need to follow the Burns or Maia path. Either develop striking skills and use your jiu-jitsu to scare wrestlers from shooting on you or develop a good wrestling and a strong top game. The way Kron Gracie fought was figured out at UFC 5 by Ken Shamrock.

[@zGJungle]

🤣😂 Love the Shamrock bit

[@GTR-dj2tk]

Totally agreed, most of fights between good grappler usually ended in striking

[@octaviovazquez5397]

100% agree

[@theinvertedprotagonist]

Demian Maia??? You mean the guy who attempted 50 takedowns in every fight without even scoring once? lol

[@JoriMikke78]

@@theinvertedprotagonist Doesn't Maia still have to most RNC's ever?

[@aeep1999]

Guru needed some drama to pay rent

[@jamesw512]

With these cards coming up I don't doubt it.

[@MMA-Mishap]

Someone watches the live streams 😂

[@thenedsmmachannel8970]

Can't blame him when you have 15-12 Angela headlining a card with Edmen Shabazyan as a co main event

[@Ckwisall]

​@@thenedsmmachannel8970 I think the next card is really good tbh, better than the last ppv

[@walkingolga6235]

the story he tells about being in muay thai is such bullshit. the thought of a young, chubby guru in his south london gym… looking at the incoming bjj class and thinking to himself “what a bunch of losers” is so hilarious.

[@Eagleone1776]

I wrestled in high school and now train Jui Jitsu and this dude is spot on. I kept talking to our coach that if we cant perform a good takedown then jiu jitsu doesnt mean anything. Fortunately, our he changed the class a couple months back and now has us wrestling atleast 30 minutes a class.

[@afonsodealbuquerque1879]

Based improver

[@DevDreCW]

Yep, wrestling to get them down, BJJ to strangle them lol

[@jameysaunders6420]

So you mean to tell me that guys on the street don't put on their special strangulation sweaters and get on their knees before fighting?

[@charlesbarkley223]

Did u guys get a real wrestling coach ?

[@anon2427]

I have respect for your coach for being man enough to change his lesson

[@Recilz]

“Everybody knows all fights start on the ground” -Jesse, Founder and Grand Master Of Mexican Martial Arts

[@deadsi]

Up kicks aren't illegal, kicks to "downed" opponents head are

[@piotrd7355]

"My probation officer told me that 90% of the fights goes to the gun". - Grandmaster Jesse

[@goodnamestaken]

Well that’s technically true…

[@kenwood2682]

Oldest martial art bare Knuckle, which then evolved into bear hugging then finally evolved into wrestling

[@markwrenn5965]

I've never in my life seen such confidence from a man in a wheelchair.

[@markwrenn5965]

Also, we know Guru has never had to worry about being seen as the small kid.

[@ReaganMiller]

@@markwrenn5965really what fucking loser

[@kunklekore5921]

Guru could lift his legs high enough to do high kicks back in his muay thai days, but ever since the accident he started eating a full large pizza with wings and ice cream every day.

[@mann8098]

😂😂😂

[@enricobreveglieri397]

He is the ultimate soy boy

[@anon2427]

@@enricobreveglieri397 lol no, there are way worse guys out there

[@roanora7853]

BJJ is gay cope harder

[@tylerdavis4101]

​@@roanora7853 you must be new here if you're missing the inside jokes

[@The10532124]

Firas Zahabi makes a good point as well. Its the only martial arts that doesnt emphasize on strength and conditioning

[@SpaceLikeAwareness]

I remember Firas Zahabi saying BJJ is the best Martial Art out there and to have as your base.

[@conor7179]

At a point it might have been. Fighting is very dynamic

[@tooltoad1974]

My sons were in a bjj/judo class and using wrestling to get kids down and get to subs and the coach got mad at my oldest for "using brute strength instead of finesse" and I was wondering how these parents are ok with their kids learning to try and use finesse in a real situation.

[@MrFredstt]

Maybe the other kids should've used finesse to stop your kid from taking them to the mat lmao

[@tooltoad1974]

@@MrFredstt 🤣😂 the guy was so pissed when my oldest son subbed his best student 3 times and my other son who's younger stalemated him. To be honest guru is on point making this video because I've always thought about how JJ could be fixed and it's with wrestling/Judo(real not Olympic) fusion, it essentially just becomes Sambo at that point though. Whenever I get rich I'm going to start a dojo here in the rough neighborhood I live in. I'm going to hire a kickboxing guy for the striking, and get a wrestler, judoka and a sambist together to develop an aggressive style that's similar to Sambo but with an American twist. It's one of my driving motivations to help my community.

[@paulhancock]

Brute strength and aggression is just toxic masculinity... No place for that in BJJ!

[@outis439-A]

BJJ needs more wrestlers teaching

[@lachlanross1]

What exactly happens if in a real fight someone decides to use brute strength 😂

[@AntiPeoplePersons]

The BJJ guys wearing Spider-Man socks and being dweebs is awfully accurate 😂😂😂😂

[@IMDUNNN]

Good points, but I still think it’s second worst behind being fat as your base

[@flashman4929]

Can we take a moment to say a prayer for guru? The bags under his eyes and the extra chub on his face recently is concerning man. I’m scared for him, and I’m always afraid he’s going to do something to hurt himself or others. Hopefully one day he can improve his appearance, attitude, and social skills and have his “first time” with a woman, and maybe even get a girlfriend. He’s losing a battle to social awkwardness and obesity, and we need to stop enabling him! We want the best for him!!!!!

[@brandonvladovic4194]

Definitely not, I've seen many jiu-jitsu guys get caught in street fights and random dudes just stomp and cave their heads in lol

[@Robothuck]

@@flashman4929 with the hat, the shape, the constant shit talking and the way he pronounces any word that rhymes with authority, he literally is an english Eric Cartman

[@dash4800]

Lots of fat guys won in the ufc

[@IMDUNNN]

@@flashman4929He’s losing the war. The load bearing rope is sitting in his Amazon cart and hes waiting for a reason to click “confirm purchase”

[@meanmrbean8641]

Boxing coach: “To use your boxing in MMA, you’ll need to learn wrestling and jiu jitsu.” Wrestling coach: “To use your wrestling in MMA, you’ll need to learn striking and jiu jitsu.” Jiu jitsu coach: “BJJ IS A COMPLETE COMBAT SYSTEM. THIS IS ALL YOU NEED, LOOK AT ROYCE GRACIE. ALL HAIL THE GRACIE CLAN. PLEASE DON’T LEAVE.”

[@karanvarma4843]

The whole Gracie d-riding has ruined BJJ. BJJ is a meme sport unless it's done by non-gracie's

[@Jannakennels]

@@karanvarma4843 truly

[@good8619]

​@@Jannakennels Fr whenever I see someone mentioning BJJ I immediately think of the Gracie d-riding.

[@zaheerdawood3814]

The fact that Zuckerberg just won a jui jitsu tournament confirms what guru says about soy boys doing jui jitsu 😂😂😂😂

[@jakexavier4958]

Soy and smart he was pretty on the money😂

[@devilpunishr]

There is a bigger problem behind this nob and guys like Tom Hardy winning these tournaments, most of bjj coaches just LET THEM WIN AND GIVE THEM BELTS just for popularity, i mean if you are a famous guy, the time you will get to a higher Belt will be 10x faster lol what a joke nowadays

[@bigheadrhino]

Gilbert Burns and Oliviera are the best examples of how to take advantage of having strong BJJ. It allows a fighter to have an aggressive striking style without worrying about being taken down, with exceptions of course.

[@kingt0295]

Yeah Islam being a dominant wrestler with great submissions didn’t fear Olive when get got dropped at all like Justin and Dustin did lol, Charles style got countered hard

[@imma5761]

​@@kingt0295 rewatch the fight, islam didnt do THAT good as you like to imply. Fight was pretty much equal until that knockdown that islam used to pass olives guard and sub him.

[@kingt0295]

@@imma5761 ived watched it a couple of times trying to cope with the result as a massive Olivera fan but it was going Islams way even in the first round he landed well then as soon as the only meaningful thing happened which was the knockdown it was over, the fight wasn’t a beat down or domination prior it was pretty average with a lean to Islam in the striking then it was over imo

[@Curu1]

@@kingt0295 It's always the same "how good was he when against Islam or when against Khabib...!!" Yeah no shit Islam and Khabib beat Oliveira or beat Conor or ..., they beat everyone else as well. It's so fucking bad when people use Islam or Khabib as an argument for how good sambo is or for the inferiority of another fighter, like no shit the BEST EVER always win, it's not that Oliveira is bad or sambo is so much above anything else etc. it's that Khabib and Makhachev happen to be so much better than any other fighter in the world...

[@pedrod854]

@@Curu1 Islam got slept against a jiu jitsu guy, don’t pretend it didn’t happen

[@successkarate6393]

Jiu Jitsu is essential for MMA but you can't win on old school jiu jitsu anymore because people now know how to defend it

[@thenedsmmachannel8970]

It hasn't been like that in nearly 15 years. Maia and Charles still got subs but it came from offensive wrestling or from their striking. Guys like Kron, Puelles, and Hall don't get far in today's sport

[@boogaethje]

Rory Mcdonaly was the dude I thought for sure was going to be the prototype kind of moving forward. The next generation just jumping in learning everything at the same time.

[@YearsOVDecay1]

Idk about "essential" I think solid boxing,wrestling,and judo if you want could do fine....if someone was good in those and never learned a shred of bjj that they could do just fine in MMA.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

​@PJ Rivera yeah you can't do the Anderson silva vs sonnen move anymore. To slow to patient. You have to immediately throw up subs, elbows, attempt sweeps ect. To get the advantage on your back

[@bigsmall2842]

Exactly. It’s the most important in terms of basics, but if that’s your forte you’ll get chewed up.

[@Raised-Right]

There's a reason the Gracies didn't invite a real wrestler to the first couple UFC events. There's a reason they didn't allow Ken shamrock to have his wrestling shoes but let Royce have his pajamas. There's a reason Royce left fighting for a while after he barely made it past Dan Severn.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

Your first sentence contradicts your second and third sentences

[@branlopgar]

​@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 Not really. He's implying Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn didn't come from real wrestling. Both were in the WWF when pro wrestling made more money than MMA and wrestling. Agree it's still a delusional take, but it's not as contradictory as it seems

[@olegkarpov3688]

Talking like gracie didn’t weigh like 40 pounds less than all of those guys

[@EugeakaEugene]

​@@olegkarpov3688 the game has changed. Gracies were good at marketing and they knew who they picked to fight. A wrestler could be a white belt and submit black belt just like it was when Jones fought Belfort. Jacare was a black belt for decades and was top ranked fighter and his BJJ didn't worked against Gastelum who received his black belt only the same year when he fouht Jacare. Miocic knocked out Werdum. There are plenty of videos of competitions where karate, hapkido are not allowed to punch bjj guy and bjj guy easily submits them. There is a good Tyson's phrase - everyone got a plan before getting puched in the face

[@DM-sy4hg]

God the comments on this video are so dumb. He starts off saying he is going to offend BJJ practitioners but all of this is so dumb no one should be offended really.

[@willyk-fv6ok]

I go to a jujitsu school and it drives me insane that only like 25% of us work on wrestling as much as our ground game And i agree with the guru 100%

[@701delbronx8]

Justin Gaethje has 0 BJJ yet would destroy everyone at your school in a fight

[@frenchfriedtaters]

@@evilkhamzat goes to your school?

[@itzAndy03]

​@@frenchfriedtaters Kron Gracie would probably destroy all the soy boys in your school

[@Snozcumber]

Some of us are in our 40s and can not get injured

[@Todo_fighting]

That's what i love judo, we throw each other and get back up like nothing, same in wrestling training against wrestlers but when throw a bjj guy in wrestling using upper body takedowns they cry.

[@Gleepglurp]

As a 5'3" vegetarian brown belt.....I agree

[@Todo_fighting]

😂😂😂😂

[@GarikaiGumbo]

*vegan

[@addyfilm]

@@GarikaiGumbovegetarians can eat eggs ! 🍳

[@LordHolley]

bjj is fun, It's a good social event, and it's great exercise. It's something you can do and not get your face rearranged. That being said, all of your points are valid.

[@imma5761]

You can do boxing or kick boxing with light sparring and have perfectly clean face and ears

[@LordHolley]

@IMMA Are you trying to tell me that even with light sparring, you've never been caught or pop somebody a little extra hard unintentionally? No one's ever got a bloody nose? Because if that's what you're laying down, I officially call BS. Either that or you just started.

[@flashman4929]

Guru is so Chad for being overweight and in such pathetic physical shape, but still levying criticism on BJJ. He just doesn’t care. So sigma.

[@anon2427]

Where’s the lie though?

[@James-wm2ov]

And you’re so chad for being so offended at the facts he’s speaking… Right?🤔 🤣

[@shadow_realm47]

He's an asshole but he's not lying.If you could learn only 2 sports you'd learn Muay Thai and catch Wrestling.

[@based-ys9um]

Soy bjj guy

[@heisenb3rg]

Yea that’s facts. You also need to be somewhat capable on the feet to compete in mma. Kron looked like someone they picked up off the street

[@heisenb3rg]

@deez3063 🤣🤣

[@astroamc]

All Ju-Jitsu instructors: "DON'T LET 'EM BULLY YA SON!"

[@alanrastelli]

Don't let them bully you, son!

[@jasonrick6148]

BJJ is literally for Hollywood actors to larp as a fighter nowadays. I can’t take BJJ seriously anymore ever since seeing Jonah Hill rolling on the mats, acting like a poser.

[@fredred5037]

Demi Lovato isn’t a MONSTER!!!??

[@boogaethje]

Rickson Gracie has an issue with the state of BJJ today. He contends that it needs to be taught as a self defense rather than the sport BJJ aspect that has become more prevalent. I’m fairly convinced wrestling is the way to go. Serviceable striking and the submission game can be adopted , worked into the base quicker than trying to play catch up on wrestling.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

Best martial art for any average guy to pick up to be able to fight is probably wrestling and or boxing. You don't mess yourself up as much in training as you do in kickboxing and you can pretty much steamroll anybody in a street fight within a year or so

[@DevDreCW]

If we go off MMA Sambo + Kickboxing is king.

[@karanvarma4843]

The correct meta is Muay Thai+Boxing+Wrestling+Judo+BJJ to end the show.

[@okayretard6050]

@@DevDreCW Sambo isn’t a martial art

[@ifgwelf]

Thank you for reminding me of when Ilia battered Ryan Halls dome in 😂

[@kamikazeplays6818]

Ilija is bjj black belt and started with bjj💀. But maybe its just him

[@brandonvladovic4194]

@@kamikazeplays6818 yeah but hes a heavy striker. not a jiu-jitsu purist lol

[@ifgwelf]

​@@brandonvladovic4194 Ilia is truly a mixed martial artist

[@kamikazeplays6818]

@@brandonvladovic4194 the point is he started with jiu jitsu and picked up the striking. Guru said no jiujitsu guys pick up other martial arts well

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

What made it even better is that Joe Rogan was talking him up to he some bjj wizard than he gets flatlined 😂😂😂😂😂 poetic

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

It’s conversations like these that make me love martial arts. It’s such a vast community with such strong opinions. It’s great really.

[@Malak-ok7kg]

soy comment

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

@@Malak-ok7kg :,( oh no

[@veggiestardestroyer8375]

Bruh you’re soft cuh

[@TheCristianalvarez]

@@Malak-ok7kg shut it yid

[@pattymcgee2]

I'd love to see this guy compete in any combat sport. Those who can do, those who can't have MMA KZbin channels.

[@brandondov8022]

“DON’T LET HIM BULLY YOU SON!” - Average BJJ Recruiting Slogan

[@Jp-do9ny]

😂😂

[@jamesbrandon8570]

Jiri said it best “I don’t play jiu jitsu games”

[@imma5761]

And then did rnc to save his ass from losing against 42 year old glover who was in the prime decade ago

[@GoulagInamte777]

@@imma5761 RNC isn't just jiu jitsu, Khamzat uses them all the time and he's a wrestler first

[@saunajoe5973]

​@@imma5761glover the bjj black belt got submitted by jiri lol

[@rally_chronicles]

​@@saunajoe5973hehe

[@sayville_silver]

I do Jiu Jitsu.. I very much enjoy it. On the days we play around and have some MMA rounds... getting punched quickly eliminates the ability to do most jiu jitsu lol, you really gotta find someone who doesnt know what they're doing to be able to take advantage of the moment. Idk about soy though, Snapping limbs is pretty serious.

[@andresdias8264]

One of the biggest problems with BJJ gyms is they don't do conditioning. Class is like 1 hour and they learn and practice some techniques but don't finish with any conditioning. I've seen HS wrestlers giving elite BJJ guys a really hard time simply because they can overpower the BJJ guy. That's probably also why roids are rampant in the BJJ world.

[@eveningstar7812]

they also demonise athleticism. If you try to use superior strength and conditioning you are “muscling it”

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

That's not a problem at all. You are trying to compare recreational players with top competitors. The high school wrestlers should try and compete with BJJ competitors who compete frequently and succeed. The results would be a lot different.

[@eveningstar7812]

@@MrPotatoesLatkie BJJ should be inherently like this though. Wrestling whether you are competing or not is tough.

[@tomrobinson3420]

So you're saying bhj guys aren't strong or powerful and then you say they are on steroids which one is it?

[@Urmomma5f4t]

@@tomrobinson3420they need roids because they literally aren’t used to the grind wrestlers and other combat sport athletes do. For a lot of BJJ guys bjj is their first sport ever . They’re not athletic generally…and that ends up meaning they aren’t used to that conditioning flexibility training etc other athletes do. So BJJ guys shortcut and take a pussy way out by using roids. I’ve known SO many natural wrestlers maul BJJ guys physically. It’s hilarious even with roids they still aren’t physically imposing

[@Idranim]

“Jujitsu ain’t real just stand the fuck up”-Derrick Lewis

[@keithgordon3823]

GURU can spot those Jujitsu "Types" a mile away!!! 🥋👀 And for the record, GURU...I wasn't wearing Spiderman socks! I actually had the whole Spiderman costume on, under my Gi 🕷️🕸️🥋

[@evanhughes9899]

SBN?

[@riccocool]

Not that there's anything wrong with jujitsu. Jerry Seinfeld

[@syndrome5372]

I know a guy who did jiu jitsu, and we ALWAYS told him youre not hard and it doesnt work in a real fight, which he laughed at and called us casuals. One day we are on a night out and it kicks off. Hes fetting started on, and the guy has like 4 friends gathered around watching. The guy i know said something along the lines of "dont worry. I got this" while the rest of us are like dude please dont lay on the floor. Long story short, one of the guys friends glassed him in the neck while he was trying to take the guys back, and my friend nearly died 😂

[@hakunamatata-w3873]

haha. BJJ can make people delusional

[@CamTheEaglesFan]

Cannot wait to see people taking this way too seriously on twitter, keep it up Guru!

[@luiz9672]

Bruh I actually knew a guy that started wrestling in high school who started with bjj and his nickname was spidey and he wore spiderman socks for the wrestling matches😭💀

[@theportlypilgrim7249]

I think the problem is that jiu jitsu and wrestling are separated. Jiu jitsu without wrestling is like striking without being able to use your hands.

[@snakesoccult2444]

Thats tae kwon do lmao

[@samizdatbroadcasts7654]

This became immediately apparent to me about a week and a half into MMA training.

[@jabibgalt5551]

I fell in love with jiujitsu immediately during the first rolling session. That being said, I totally agree with you. Watching Ryan Hall's last fight and Kron Gracie last Saturday, man it was just embarrassing.

[@ironchad5656]

Do you wear Spiderman socks?

[@franz_outside]

Soyyyy

[@jabibgalt5551]

@@ironchad5656 LOL no I don't. I didn't stick to jiujitsu long enough to fall 'full on' into that culture. I don't go to classes anymore, but I do try to train with friends whenever possible. Spiderman socks aren't allowed. Actually, I find wearing socks to roll to be quite uncomfortable.

[@icelly3380]

ryan hall did alright in his last fight

[@jabibgalt5551]

@@icelly3380 By "alright" you mean imanari-rolling his ass on the canvas like a fool with no success at all, to only get brutally KOed?

[@Zeddy11]

The BJJ rant is HERE

[@constantintummescheit4314]

I wrestled, I did Bjj, I did mma and I did kickboxing too and I really believe bjj is so effective if it’s used correctly you have to be athletic too and most bjj guys aren’t really athletic it’s just got so soft and I train to be athletic and fast with technique

[@drake1896]

from my mma gym, the grapplers are often much stronger than the kickboxers

[@karanvarma4843]

BJJ is piece de resistance of MMA. If you want to end the show quick you need jiu Jitsu. But Judo is basically the superior and the original version of BJJ. Khabib,Fedor and Islam are Judo specialists. BJJ gets all the hype while it's original Father Judo is far more effective and realistic.

[@drake1896]

@@karanvarma4843 judo is underrated but still not that good

[@karanvarma4843]

@@drake1896 there are no good judo guys who can train. All the good ones are either in Germany,Russia or Japan Unironically. American Judo is non-existent

[@drake1896]

@@karanvarma4843 I didn't say I was american

[@supersoldierx40]

Its multiple factors some of them are somewhat stubborn and think its still 1993 so they don't really try hard to learn other martial arts Other factor is jiu-jitsu is kinda slow and not really explosive that much so they don't focus that much on their athletic side and mma requires u to be pretty athletic They're obsessed with technique and don't give athletic ability that much care like traditional martial arts like wushu or something they just practice the moves usually and don't focus on being an athlete Jiu-jitsu also has weak takedowns and being not explosive makes them a bit slower at striking until they give it full attention

[@highestqualitypigiron]

Jujitsu is really good against people who don't know jujitsu. As people get better on the ground it becomes exponentially harder to attack them. IE a purple belt could pretty easily stall and play safe against a black belt even though there's a 5+ year experience difference. This is probably why jujitsu is the go to for self defense because majority of the general public don't know it.

[@anon2427]

BJJ isn’t the go to for self defense, that would be boxing or kickboxing. In Brazil it’s true but not elsewhere

[@highestqualitypigiron]

@@anon2427 stop listening to Andrew tate, every first responder, cop and military combatant in the west has BJJ as part of their training. You knock someone out and they bash their head on the concrete you will be charged with murder, if you don't break your hand first

[@boshirahmed]

Bjj guys can do easy takedowns on guys who don't know any wrestling. Royce Gracie had it easy in UFC 1, later on he did not look that invincible. Half the MMA fights finish by knockouts. First UFC all the fights went to the ground.

[@konev13thebeast]

​@@boshirahmedjust because Royce could, doesnt mean that the vast majority of bjj practitioners are proficient with take downs

[@boshirahmed]

@@konev13thebeast read my tweet again bro. He struggled at later UFC fights. It was easy in the beginning when he fought strikers who had no clue how to defend takedowns.

[@frankiecal3186]

Catch wrestling was deemed too dangerous for American schools since it involved chockes and bone breaking submissions. So the schools modified it taking out the submissions and chokes and called it Folkstyle wrestling. Catch wrestling is what Helio was tought under some Catch wrestling submissions specialist. Helio then just relabled Catch wrestling moves Into Gracie JJ. That's why the rear naked chock is in Gracie JJ but it was originally called a sleeper hold. Another move relabled was the triangle which was called "The fighure Four leg lock. The Gracies stole everything from Catch Wrestling and never gave credit from where it came from mainly Frank Gotch.

[@luisfernandoenrique]

Very interesting, will research more about this

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

Another CACC propaganda revisionism. Great

[@prandz420]

Bjj comes from judo not catch

[@frankiecal3186]

@prandz420 Helio Gracie trained judo, but most of their systems and techniques are catch wrestling Helio Trained under Orlando Americo "Dudú" da Silva.

[@outis439-A]

Did they really steal? They were pretty open about it. And anyway, Helio tried tried to allow a smaller guy to beat up a bigger guy in CACC. He lost to a CACC wrestler but really- he was a catch wrestler, he was a judoka. BJJ is basically or was a hybrid of these both

[@whitenoiserelaxation5371]

Jiu Jitsu is absolutely essential to MMA and by far the most difficult of the three to get good at. I understand what you're saying. However, Kron and Ryan were literally doing NOTHING BUT Jiu Jitsu in a MMA match which consists of striking, wrestling and Jiu Jitsu. You cannot just be one dimensional and expect to win. Interweaving your Jiu Jitsu with your wrestling and striking is key and if you lack Jiu Jitsu you simply won't be able to compete. Although, some people have success being one dimensional once its discovered they have no ground game its game over.

[@kingt0295]

Usman and guys like Colby counter that, Usman and Colby have mid striking and elite wrestling with extremely low level BJJ it’s why they’re mostly decision machines, their style of wrestling with zero BJJ carried them on a wave of Ws to the top if you’re a wrestler you just need basic BJJ defense tbh its supplementary. Usman has 1 entire sub win and 1 sub loss in his entire 25 fight career

[@whitenoiserelaxation5371]

@@kingt0295 Yeah, pretty much! I mean can't argue with what Colby did to Maia, but again I think Maia is pretty one dimensional as well. You're right, but I'd like to see someone better at Jiu Jitsu in 170 test it more. I mean besides Maia, Magny and Gunner Nelson not a lot of excellent Jiu Jitsu in 170 division.

[@kingt0295]

@@whitenoiserelaxation5371 yeah fair, 170 has always been the wrestlers division for whatever reason if the champ isn’t a dominant wrestler most of the top 5 is lol

[@JackTenrec-qk4zp]

"Jiu Jitsu is absolutely essential to MMA and by far the most difficult of the three to get good at" - why do you think that ?

[@ImReadyD151]

The problem with Sambo is they barely offer it anywhere in the US. At least where I’m from. Jiu Jitsu is just everywhere, and it’s hard to find any adult wrestling kinda thing because it’s aimed at kids

[@abyss5883]

Just be Sean O'Malley and be a character with amazing striking but OK BJJ and you'll be ok

[@shutda0fuckup]

@PJ Rivera interesting since a lot of sambo guys love rolling for leg locks when you try to take their back standing.

[@goodthanksbro]

They also don't train leg attacks, so anyone half decent at heel hooks will decimate them

[@youngbuddha7778]

Sambo is very very good but Jesus lots of dick riding volkanovski never did sambo and he wasn’t beat up/ or fucked at the ground AT ALL against Islam lol.

[@youngbuddha7778]

@@goodthanksbroruotolo bro fucked world champion sambo (yes American bros I know it’s only grappling still he quite easily won against sambo champion and he is 19, imagine ruotolo in 8 years lol

[@nacktheslayer9882]

People forget that as long as you train wrestling and striking you only really need like basic bjj. Even in self defense if you've trained bjj for a like a year you can most likely handle anyone with no grappling experience

[@sickheadjoker1421]

BJJ is not a bad base at all for mma, it's just people forget that they need to condition their body and build some type of muscle and have a good kickboxing and boxing skill set and your all good, alot of the people that do jiu jitsu just do that and do nothing else which is WRONG, YOU NEED TO DO MORE THAN JUST JIU JITSU

[@Patrick-sheen]

I think everyone with even a slight understanding of MMA would agree including BJJ people. It seems like a whole lot of people see MMA vs other styles which just doesn’t exist anymore. The wrestlers, kick-boxers, everyone has had to adapt.

[@fangiscool1]

​@@Patrick-sheen cap. Wrestling with a little jujitsu is very effective by itself. Jujitsu with a little wrestling (or striking) is not effective at all for the most part. Only a couple of exceptions

[@Patrick-sheen]

@@fangiscool1 what’s a little Jiu Jitsu? None of these guys have a little anything. They train everything. We have seen that wrestling on its own with no strikes or submissions is not enough. It’s a mix, always has been, always will be.

[@fangiscool1]

@@Patrick-sheen if you think that's true, you've never trained any art common in mma. An obvious example is Alex Pereira. You would say he has more than "a little bit" of wrestling? I've wrestled and I've watched plenty of UFC fighters do jv caliber wrestling stuff. Top pros can and somewhat often are novices in at least 1 of BJJ, wrestling, or striking. Wrestling with a little BJJ isn't enough? Uhhh, Usman, Askren, Sonnen. It's pretty easy to name of few just off the top of my head. Usman only developed any decent striking after he was champ

[@primuspilushb]

Im a purple belt in BJJ but Ive been wrestling for 30+ years. I teach takedowns on Sundays because BJJ's takedowns are absolutely horrible.

[@seriouscommenter1]

“What’s that… this guys got spider man socks on. I wonder what class he’s attending?” 😂

[@ericl1555]

They kind of train to lose an mma fight (fighting off your back is losing) The pacing is way off Tapping out is encouraged They spa starting from the ground (so you get blackbelts with no take down skills)

[@coen226]

BJJ is the CrossFit of Martial Arts

[@dhuss14]

CrossFit hate is cringe. Fighters are essentially CrossFit athletes. Wrestlers are CrossFit athletes.

[@coen226]

@@dhuss14 Ghey

[@flashman4929]

Hope you’re taking care of yourself Guru. The bags under your eyes and the extra chub on your face as if lately are concerning. We care about you. Please take care of your mental and physical health. We don’t want you doing anything to hurt yourself or others. Remember, you are loved.

[@Bluis5445]

He did get fat huh to be fair he was always chubby.

[@Cantthinkofname-rp3iw]

We know it's you Dan hardy

[@phishdough]

He’s unironically soy that’s why he looks like shit but he has the audacity to call fighters soy

[@jjwh]

Keep pumping out videos piggy

[@drewwilson6639]

​@jjwh that's messed up but really funny

[@itsirrelephantman]

Zuckerberg won a jujitsu tournament, if that doesn't tell you its for nerds then I don't what will lol

[@robthevampireslayer3211]

After 30 years of BJJ in the limelight none of the BJJ gurus ever thought of adding wrestling as part of the system and would rather add hundred of useless submissions that would never work in real life or combat sports.

[@boogaethje]

Never seen anyone get caught in a twister or electric chair. 😂

[@prandz420]

Strange casual comment

[@Jannakennels]

So, there’s two issues: 1. Wrestling requires athleticism and BJJ guys are pathetic and unathletic, generally 2. The amount of time it requires to learn BJJ techniques doesn’t allow for extensive training of similar disciplines Judo makes more sense

[@robthevampireslayer3211]

@@Jannakennels I forgot about Judo, judo would be very good if it was original Judo and not the olympic kind.

[@boogaethje]

What with the scoring if control time and takedown winning fights , wrestling n has an advantage there as well.

[@Yusuf-zw6il]

Natural chads like Adesanya choose kickboxing! Nice to see you’ve had a chance of heart jewru, he is the black dragon for a reason!

[@sh0ckwave425]

Jui jitsu is the vegans of the UFC

[@slugtothechest]

Beautifully put. Jiujitsu is so cringe! Jiujitsu is e route to become the next CrossFit.

[@dhuss14]

Don't insult CrossFit. There's little worse than brain-dead meatheads who think being a complete athlete (crossfitters) is 'cringey'. Wrestlers are CrossFit athletes.

[@shamilabdurakhimovapprecia9314]

Using Kron as an example for bjj in mma is like using Dean Barry as an example for striking

[@the-mma-guru]

I'm really speaking on it as a whole but just using Kron as a relevant example seeing as he just fought. We just don't see anywhere near as many pure jiu jitsu guys rise to the top in MMA compared to Wrestlers and Strikers.

[@shamilabdurakhimovapprecia9314]

@@the-mma-guru i really can’t think of many pure strikers who are champs rn

[@thewretch4081]

​@@shamilabdurakhimovapprecia9314 not many PURE wrestlers either

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Found the salty BJJ guy in the comments 😂

[@shamilabdurakhimovapprecia9314]

@@drunkenmmamaster419 literally sambo guy 🤣

[@obviousstraightguy]

One of the lamest things you can see in MMA is a jiu jitsu guy lying on his back opening his legs trying to coax his opponent into jumping into his guard. This is because the jiu jitsu guy can neither take his opponent down nor stand up with him.

[@boshirahmed]

This fighter won a fight refusing to go down and kept kicking the legs of the bjj guy. I should add it goes both ways some stand up guys are clueless on the ground. It's not easy to be all rounded

[@maxspeakstruth9988]

facts

[@hopchop966]

Ian garry actually started his mma journey through doing jiu jitsu classes just getting himself in the gym But ian garry chose to take kickboxing classes and work on his standup until it was his best weapon. as someone who had kron gracie to submit charles, it was an embarrassing performance. It was basically Aljos/Ryan halls strategy except humiliating the family name of the gracie. being a gracie and couldn’t even keep top position or get effective takedowns was yucky

[@MrSpiralling]

also kron garcie is a judo black belt and couldn't get a takedown lol

[@LiamM_]

u bet on kron ahahahaahahhaahahhhaa

[@deepg9120]

So happy for Ian garry

[@afonsodealbuquerque1879]

​@@MrSpiralling jiu jitsu fighters get fake Judo belts

[@user-go2xi7zq5q]

Disrespectful to put Aljo in the same bank as Ryan Hall. He is one of the most well-rounded fighters in MMA today. Is a dynamic striker, has a college wrestling background, and has the most dangerous BJJ in his division, on top of having a good gas tank. Hence him being the champion in a now stacked division.

[@Mike-qz4by]

CM Punk must be a 17th degee pink belt in jew jitsu

[@travismiller1491]

He's so right. The thing I hate most about BJJ guys is they do nothing fucking else. I could do two hours of muay Thai then it's BJJ class and if I get tapped out, they be celebrating hard like I didn't just train and hard spar literally for two hours while they sat and watched like fans 😂.

[@2smart4uu]

I agree with the sentiment but watching a striker not be able to get off his back for 3 rounds is equally as frustrating imo

[@averagejoe3722]

Ryan hall rolling around like a fool then getting flatlined is too fcking good

[@jimhendericks]

This is where the OG's of BJJ were worried about sport BJJ spending too much time developing unrealistic positions when there are strikes involved. But let's be real, if you don't have a balanced skill set you aren't ever going to make it to top 15 in UFC in today's era.

[@eveningstar7812]

sport jiu jitsu isn’t necessarily the problem. There’s no striking in wrestling yet it transfers so well. The problem is sport jiu jitsu rarely rewards takedowns and winning on points without a submission is common. Jiu Jitsu competitions should be submission only and with tie breakers going to the guy who secured the takedown(s).

[@SINdaBlock411]

jiu jitsu only works against people who can't wrestle for crap, a guy who's boxed and wrestled for a year would beat a lifetime jiu jitsu guy

[@ingo505]

that is just wrong

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@ingo505 like hell it is lol keep coping

[@2smart4uu]

Learning to counter against BJJ> knowing BJJ

[@ryanpalma5947]

Guru is so funny, his mma commentary is endlessly entertaining to me, really been enjoying it recently

[@rr-mt9np]

Studies prove Jujitsu is for nerd 🤓 Mark Zuckerberg approved

[@CombatPIG0311]

You can train BJJ for 15 years, and never be tough. You can't make it through the first week of Muay Thai, without some degree of toughness.

[@dirtygeazer9266]

Mua Thai doesn't compare to wrestling though it's kinda got the same gap from mt to bjj

[@tristanjoao3464]

"One of the greatest minds in the sport" Joe said during The Hall fight

[@HDoug412]

One of the funniest commentary moments ever was when Hall unsuccessfully rolled at Topuria for the dozenth time and was folded up underneath him like a contortionist while Topuria was deciding whether he should ground and pound him or just stand up and Rogan shouted “Topuria’s in trouble here!”

[@tristanjoao3464]

@@HDoug412 yeah i really appreciate Joe but sometimes he just talks nonsense

[@coltizz]

I’ve done a little bit of everything MMA,Muay Thai, taekwondo and BJJ. What I love about BJJ or grappling I general is that you can go all out and not be afraid of your own or your partners health witch is very good for a real life fight scenario being used to fight at high intensity. I’ve always been lifting weights and when I worked as a security guard for 6 years so I’ve been in some violent situations. And the one Marital art that helped me most was definitely BJJ combined with the fact that I was pretty strong and could over power a lot of people and drag them/takedown to the ground and control them from there with ease. The fact that skinny bullied kids do jujutsu just shows how effective the art is for self defense and confidence. I’d rather have them in the jujutsu class or they go to some other weird stuff… Anyway I don’t even remember the point I was going to make expect that jujutsu guys should lift weights.

[@hadrian2505]

It's simple, striking attracts fighters, wrestling attracts athletes and bjj attracts bullying victims that don't want to get hurt.

[@hakunamatata-w3873]

well said

[@wiserhiphop3202]

The spiderman socks line had me rolling

[@Thunderfist_McBeefcake]

It's hard to catch something that doesn't wanna get caught.

[@ILOVEMMA_]

Jiu Jitsu is very important in MMA but when you have other things to go with it, you cant just be a jiu jitsu artist with nothing else on your arsenal bc that way jiu jitsu is useless

[@byrdfeathers3552]

Lmao I started practicing mma in 2009. The bases are bjj and boxing/kickboxing. I love bjj but he’s not wrong

[@MotivationCRE]

Its the mindset of jiu jitsu training that makes it less than optimal for mma/self defense, we deal with very dangerous techniques that even using a little too much strength in can lead to life-changing injuries. So we take a more strategic, slow and careful approach so we can train longer and learn more. also, not everyone does martial arts for mma, self defense, or "proving they're the man". Some people just do it as a hobby, something they enjoy and find fun to learn, or even just as a fun engaging workout.

[@Ktmfan450]

Thinking BJJ is the ultimate martial art is like thinking the earth is flat

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Wrestling literally trumps every martial art in mma , and decent wrestler from college in America or the cliffs of Dagestan would destroy most BJJ black belts in a fight

[@sebastianhunter8766]

Rugby is a better base for mma

[@adamwhitehead1253]

Guru is just salty that his legs are paralyzed and he'll never experience the satisfaction of throwing up a triangle.

[@robthevampireslayer3211]

Rugby league is the best combat sport as a base. Both Volkanovski and Tuisava both played high level rugby league and even though they started mma late they are both top UFC fighters.

[@beachforestmountain4269]

Broncos are ripping it up this season.

[@NotFoxUK]

Union is better

[@Porcupethtonia]

This guy makes some decent points about the limitations of the guard pulling sport style of Jiu-Jitsu without any wrestling. Nobody’s arguing that that’s not going to be the most effective strategy in MMA. However, he fails to mention that the rule sets of MMA are more favourable to a striking stand up style, primarily due to the fact fighters can use the cage to get up more easily and if they can focus on not getting taken down and delay the takedown as long as possible late into the round and ride out the round if they do get taken down, they get stood back up at the beginning of the next round, so this has greatly reduced the prevalence of submission grappling in MMA. And even with these limitations, you still see tons of Jiu Jitsu submissions in MMA. If the round structure of MMA and cage weren’t such detrimental factors to grapplers, the threat of submissions would be a much bigger issue MMA fighters would have to contend with than it already is. That’s just my 2 cents on the matter. 😊 PS: Hearing what martial disciplines are considered “Soy” and which are “Chad” from someone that can easily be characterized as a fat neckbeard themselves was the ironic comedy of this video. Look in the mirror and fix your own soy issues before you leverage it as an insult against others.

[@frankiecal3186]

Folkstyle wrestling is way better just look at all the UFC and Bellator champions most of them have a background in Folkstyle Wrestling in high school,college,graduate school,army or WORLD TEAM.

[@derrickrobinson7269]

Honestly, as a NoGi only guy, I definitely notice what you are talking about but I notice it mainly with Gi purist. I think it's something about the Gi being traditional and how far gone it is from modern MMA that breeds that kind of environment. I've spoken to a few of Gi purist myself and they usually tell me they prefer Its slower, they have grips to stall, it's more traditional, they're old, etc.

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

Oh come one. No one who trains in a gi for recreation or competition does so for MMA. If they want to train MMA, they train no gi grappling, along with other arts. A gi wearing environment doesn't have anything to do with breeding any kind of environment for MMA.

[@bjed21]

90% of fighters have a jiu-jitsu base.

[@eliwhitney7038]

BJJ really banks on the idea thag a smaller guy can beat a larger opponent.

[@thatpersiandude7386]

You’re right Bjj requires much less Strength and power compared to wrestling or even stricking ! It’s mostly technique.

[@mynameismin3]

100% you are wrong. I usually agree with guru, but on this, he is wrong, that is a fact. The examples you give, are simply due to the fighter not being well enough rounded, or simply not being good enough to stand with their opponent. If you are a jiu jitsu black belt from a good gym with good lineage, you can destroy 95% of all men in the world.

[@maniac3372]

This video is the truth. BJJ should be supplemental to your overall kit.

[@fennec812]

BJJ (at least in America) is definitely now an art geared for the masses. It bills itself as “the safe one,” really preys on consumer desire for instant gratification, and the tournament rules are… well, honestly they incentivize stalling. And it’s dead on the money to say a lot of guys who do it think they are killers. It’s a good martial art, it is, but it is now marketed *heavily* towards people who would rather it be more art than martial. That’s not to say those people can’t train, but the emphasis towards that kind of commercialization means there are very few gyms that prioritize the martial component. It’s the whole culture of “It’s like a chess game, bro 🤙” versus… I’m going to smash you into the canvas and punch you until someone has to come stop me. The reality is that there is a tactical element to every martial art, it’s just that BJJ has elevated that far beyond anything else. Meanwhile most other martial arts celebrate and revel in a more aggressive ethos. Personally, I don’t care. It’s different strokes for different folks. The only thing that bothers me is when a BJJ purist blue belt thinks it’s the UFC1 days and that they are suddenly going to merc everyone.

[@gordonmorris6359]

I'm no expert, but I had a summer of Judo as a kid and a season of wrestling in high school, and wrestling definitely is the best conditioning when it comes to stamina or cardio and wind, better by far than I ever had in football, baseball, and basketball.

[@MrSpiralling]

yeah judo guys are very strong as well but wrestling cardio is amazing

[@gordonmorris6359]

​@@MrSpiralling We did 12 minute drills with mixed exercises non-stop, to prepare for the 6 minute rounds. For 12 minutes you'd be running in place, push ups, sit ups, jumping jacks, constantly moving.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

No athletes from Regular Teamsports are even close to wrestling shape. They all lack either cardio or strength. It's such a great sport

[@gordonmorris6359]

​​@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 The conditioning we did in football and basketball was basically just running long distance and sprinting and jumping, lateral side to side running, weight lifting, calisthenics, all good, but not as effective as the prep for constant straining in wrestling for six minutes straight each round.

[@gordonmorris6359]

​@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 Even soccer, which has more running than football, it just doesn't last as long, you get to rest all the time.

[@Bigtap88]

It’s all about matchups. Kron gets fed to actually good fighters while Bo nickel gets fed to bad fighters.

[@mpforeverunlimited]

This was what each fighter was asking for

[@bradleye660]

Cmon man this is a cop out and you know it. Kron looked like a complete fool.

[@Bigtap88]

@@bradleye660 jamie pickett held zero advantages over bo nickel. Cub Swanson was a vet with 24 fights in the ufc. Jourdain is probably the best prospect out of Canada with an insane resume himself. Like it doesn’t come close. Kron definitely got fed to the wolves while Bo continues to fight cans. Tresean gores best opponent was Cody brundage 💀 and he got KO’d.

[@hamez2192]

Firas Zahabi said the main reason these Jiu-Jitsu guys don't perform is the complete lack of strength and conditioning in the training. Wrestling IS strength and conditioning, and they also do lifting and other work. Jiu-Jitsu guys often just don't have drive or strength, or the ability to get the takedowns they need.

[@chrisa8044]

Great video. Yes wrestling makes you more athletic. Once I took up wrestling I became better at all other sports and it does make you tougher. I’ve also noticed the guys with the most effective submissions in mma are the Dagestani wrestlers. I will say that bjj is hard in other ways as you have to think things through whereas wrestling and striking you rely more on instinct.

[@kooltactic8269]

A lot of lanky guys in Under Armor shirts are very angry right now 😅