The Moses Scroll | Ross K. Nichols

The Moses Scroll | Ross K. Nichols
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[@GnosticInformant]

glad you made this public. excellent video

[@kloklo4199]

It's awesome seeing people you follow indipendently, come together... 🤷‍♀️😊

[@6thandHarrison]

My jaw dropped after hearing the relationship to Jeremiah at around minute 25:00. 😮

[@zelenisok]

Another argument for the thesis that the Essenes had a different version of the Torah with pretty different morality (without animal sacrifices etc), as I already thought from those Jeremiah verses (and sources such as Philo).

[@susanohnhaus611]

Sort of the beatitudes with no curse at the end of each.

[@mathgod]

I love Woody Harrelson!

[@tongakhan230]

Jeremiah 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them; And your word became to me the exultation and the rejoicing of my heart, For your name has been called on me, O Jehovah God of armies. Revelation 10:9  I went to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. He said to me: “Take it and eat it up, and it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet like honey.” 10 I took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it, and in my mouth it was sweet like honey, but when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter. 11 And they said to me: “You must prophesy again about peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.” Since the scroll was open and not sealed, it was something that was to be understood. It was “sweet” to John to get the message contained therein but apparently had bitter things for him to prophesy, as he was told to do. (Re 10:1-11) Ezekiel had a similar experience with the scroll presented to him in which there were “dirges and moaning and wailing.”-Eze 2:10. The prophet Jeremiah loved Scriptural truth. Notice the effect that God’s words had on his heart. “Your words were found, and I ate them; and your word became to me the exultation and the rejoicing of my heart, for your name has been called on me, O Jehovah God of armies.” (Jer. 15:16) Jeremiah figuratively ate and digested God’s precious words by meditating on them. In that way he developed a heartfelt appreciation for the privilege of having God’s name called on him. Has our love for Bible truth moved us to recognize the unique privilege we have to bear God’s name and to proclaim his Kingdom in this time of the end? We are certainly not talking about literal scrolls made of papyri or any other substance.

[@strappedfatman7858]

Those who survive The Great Tribulation sing the song of Moses and of the Lamb. Revelation 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass+ mingled with fire, and those who are victorious+ over the wild beast and its image+ and the number of its name+ were standing by the sea of glass, holding harps of God. 3 They were singing the song of Moses+ the slave of God and the song of the Lamb,+ saying: “Great and wonderful are your works,+ Jehovah* God, the Almighty.+ Righteous and true are your ways,+ King of eternity.+ 4 Who will not really fear you, Jehovah,* and glorify your name, for you alone are loyal?+ For all the nations will come and worship before you,+ because your righteous decrees have been revealed.”

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

In what language was Moses supposedly writing? Hebrew wasn't a written language in his time period, correct? He was allegedly raised in Egypt so we assume he spoke and read Egyptian.

[@problactive285]

There was no "Egyptian" then either

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

@@problactive285 Please elaborate.

[@problactive285]

@@clinchleatherwood1012 you are assuming the people we call "ancient Egyptians" called themselves Egyptians? They didnt.

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

@PRO BLACTIVE No I'm not assuming anything. That's how the Bible, modern archaeology, Egyptologist and most people outside of scholarship refer to them. If I would have said Kemet I feel it would cause confusion.

[@garlandjones7709]

Hebrew was a written language in this time period, yes. Moses wouldve probably spoken multiple languages. Not just Egyptian, and likely not just Egyptian and Hebrew.

[@tmcge3325]

Prophets were called "seerers" because they were given visions and even names of future places, characters and events that will come. David writes about Messiah, Joseph is a prelude to our Messiah, Genesus 49:10 again, more about him that will come. And of course there are so much more, most of scripture is about the anointed one which is the new covenant, remember the Lord will provide his own Lamb and ge did! Anhow, I do enjoy these videos and pray for more knowledge to be found. Thank You and Peace!

[@tmcge3325]

@Kevin Chevalier Discovery of God by MIT Physicist Dr Gerald Schroeder....look it up!

[@eschneggs]

It was not 10 commandments in the original writings, it was seven Ways. All seven are in the dialog with the rich man in Matthew. Jer. 8:8 tells us the truth of what the Scribes then and since have been doing to hide the truth.

[@thescoobymike]

What were the seven ways?

[@eschneggs]

@@thescoobymike Honor the Way of Marriage, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not covet( love your neighbor as yourself), and Remember when the Creator teaches, class is in session on the Shabbath..

[@memcrew1]

@@eschneggs why would they try to hide the truth?

[@eschneggs]

@@memcrew1 TO keep us under their dominion, ..Full well they know the Ways and do not enter and prevent others from entering.

[@JeWCyDuDe]

@@memcrew1 seems as if everyone is a conspiracy theorist nowadays. Ross is no different. He's not interested I the truth but his version of it.

[@pastimerascals6227]

The 10 commandments are just 2500 old cooked verses that won't fit for the present time. Three are repeated and out of the remaining seven, the first one is just stupidity. When God is one and ultimate power why would he fear another God? Second and third make God just a man. The next four are human morals and common sense, with nothing Godly in them. In fact, Greek, Indian and modern philosophers taught better morals than religious teachings.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

How so

[@garlandjones7709]

Hebrew never says there is One God. In fact there are multiple Elohim in the Old Testament. You're misinterpreting the text you're referring to

[@exgi76gmailcom]

For example….”And you will know my name is the lord !” …….Really ? ….not YWYH ? Or Yah Husha ? Or Jesus ? ……your name is “The Lord “ …..I call False !

[@suferick778]

Great stuff - hope you bring Ross back again (and again)

[@integrationalpolytheism]

It's always good to take a second, unbiased, look at an issue, whether it be the Moses scroll or the evidence for a historical Jesus or any other controversial issue. Cult of personality and emotionally led decisions never result in good scholarship.

[@JamesTaborVideos]

Excellent job guys! Hope you do more.

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

Tell us what language Moses was writing in. Hebrew wasn't a written language in Moses life.

[@shainazion4073]

@@clinchleatherwood1012 Canaanite/Phoenician, is what Paleo-Hebrew is and it is this old.

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

@@shainazion4073 Thank you.

[@christo-chaney]

@@clinchleatherwood1012 what evidence is there that proves Hebrew wasn’t a written language during Moses’ lifetime?

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

@@christo-chaney It's pretty much excepted that Hebrew as a written language didn't exist until the around 900 B.C.E. Moses' time was 12 to 1300 B.C.E. Do you evidence that it was written in his time? If so we would all like to see it. Thanks.

[@cooljledge]

Thanks Derek. So glad you got to go to Israel. Looking forward to more exciting videos.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

"Imagine sitting on the mount of Moses and having to write genesis 1 to deut . . in stone." Weeks, it would take years. But I would happily chisel the Torah in stone as long as I wasnt the the poor sucker who had to carry around the Torah. So the put it in the Ark, could you just imagine the torah on stone inside a wooden, gold and stone ark. Four guys carrying it. I remember a prank we played in high school on time where we picked up that back of some dudes fancy sports car and put it into the bus lane. I took like 10 guys to pick up the back of the car and move (This was the mid 70s so 4500 lbs + 22 gallon gas tank). Imagine 4 guys carrying several dozen stone tablets. All day long. To be critical. 13th to 15th cBCE paleohebrew DOES NOT EXIST! Earlier linear might, but its going to be an intermediate between Protosinaitic and Phonecian and clearly distinguishable from paleohebrew. So the punctuation marks and other features are going to be interpretive (added). Quite honestly, to that point all legal codices in the east part of the levant, its got to be cunieform or it did not happen.

[@shainazion4073]

So, you are a linguistics Archeologist?

[@Darisiabgal7573]

@@shainazion4073 Lol, no. Just an addition. Making Cuneiform law tablets in the 15th century is a very doable thing. You could transport them around once fire and laid between straw and wood sleeves. Such documents were used as letters in the Amarna period which end in 1175 BCE. I mean you could hire an akkadian scribe to read the tablets so that clergy can memorize them. But that all vanishes with the LBAC. If you gave a cleric a cypher, he probably could read such a tablet because canaanite and Akkadian at that time where mutually intelligible, particukarly in El Elyon circles. But the problem is the Hebrew Bible gives us no evidence what-so-ever that this happened. In fact the Hebrew bible does not tell us anything about scribes in the period of Judges and Samuel, a 1000 year period. And this makes sense when we consider that paleohebrew is maybe early 10th century. So the Question would be why Moses wrote the Torah in some unknown script, there was no writting for several hundred years, and then Yahwist start suddenly writing again. Its a puzzle. Most scolars that still believe in Moses favor a late chronology, the writing issue might factor into it a tiny bit. There is 12th century 'phonecian' running around. To the lay, its a bit more sophisticated than the lithic inscriptions found earlier in the southern levant. We are left with two choices. 1. A borrowing and remake of Hammurabi like law found at Hazor 1700-1800 BCE, in cuneiform. 2. A later law done in early linear or protosinaitic, done in a very crude literary style.

[@TheColonelKlink]

Great discussion. Pretty amazing stuff all on its own but having James Tabor's interest (among others) is more than enough for me to perk up and pay more attention to this story.

[@richardkatzwer4916]

This blew my mind

[@thescoobymike]

Making forgeries sounds awesome tbh, requires so much knowledge and skill. Really is an art form in itself when you think about its

[@mariod1547]

It is fascinating. I recommend forgery and counterforgery by Bart Ehrman. Also documentary on Netflix about Mark Hoffman, that story is crazy and a must watch.

[@thescoobymike]

@@mariod1547 I read the more mainstream Forged but I have yet to get into the more academic Forgery and Counterforgery

[@bobbygoble9329]

This hypothesis makes a lot of sense. I noticed that Josiah was the first King to get the Judeans to honor the Feast of Booths. This didn't make sense to me because it implied that every Jew before then had disregarded a festival they were supposed to hold. This included everyone before Josiah including King David, a man after God's own heart. It makes more sense to me that Judah had a version of commandments from Elohim followers that was added to at a much later date. Definitely getting this book

[@madmanmark8387]

This was interesting and glad you ventured into Israel. Have you had a chance to see rabbi Tovia Singer yet? I remember months ago that you were saying you were going to go to Israel and then finally meet up with him.

[@keithlightizer156]

I remember Simcha Jacobvici talking about this almost 20 years ago. Maybe it was only on a local Toronto station because it never made any headlines.I hope they can track down the strips, imagine if they’re still together. Here’s hoping...

[@lunarmodule6419]

The real Indiana Jones! Thx

[@rainbowkrampus]

NGL, the setting is top notch. Great audio, lots of atmosphere, appropriate background. Derek, you're gonna have to redo your studio. Start by dragging in a bunch of sandstone blocks and making the whole thing open air. Gonna need to some really good filters to keep all the sand out of your computer though.

[@jackylee_jack]

Thanks so much for sharing this interview with us, Derek. I really appreciate it. These nuggets of information r so precious in helping us get down to the truth. We need more interviews with Ross! I have been listening to Ross' lectures on United Israel n i have been learning so much from him.

[@davidtyler3116]

Great interview!

[@scienceexplains302]

Deuteronomy 27 has curses of Ebal. 28 has blessings of Gerizim. @17:00

[@Emcee_Squared]

Fantastic video, hope the scroll is found, and carbon dating will add another layer evidence for its authenticity.

[@scienceexplains302]

Another possible that YHWH doesn’t appear is that the author believed it was too sacred to write, which would point to a later writing

[@PauldeSwardt]

Wow Biblical research just got more interesting...If true it is an absolute injustice that Moses Shapiro bled to death in that Dutch Hotel room - his reputation in ruins - at the turn of the century from TWO shots of a pistol!- but if there are any writers out there surely this would be a fitting plot for a Sherlock Holmes style drama........

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Samaritan Pentateuch and Samaritan Book of Joshua (Tribe of Ephraim) are written in paleo-hebrew.

[@shainazion4073]

Samaritan script is slightly different than Canaanite (Paleo-Hebrew).

[@ready1fire1aim1]

@@shainazion4073 In the Samaritan Chronicle (Books of Joshua) the Canaanites aren't human...they're Nephilim (giants). Tribe of Ephraim is from Joseph who was sold into Egyptian slavery. The Tribe of Judah calls the Tribe of Ephraim "half-breeds" due to their mixed racial heritage...which is super antisemitic (Semitic people being Jews, Egyptians and Arabs). Most Christians won't read the Samaritan Chronicle since it has an Arabic flair. :(

[@shainazion4073]

@@ready1fire1aim1 Egyptians are not Semites, they are from Ham. Mizraim is there father, Son of Ham. Arabs are Shemites. In the Tanakh, the Canaanites are said at some places to be giants, which the Nephilim were. In Numbers 13:33 after the Israelite spies return, they say, *_"And there we saw Nephilim, the sons of Anak. Who come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own site as grasshoppers, and so we were in their site"_* same thing. You really don't know the Hebrew Torah.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

@@shainazion4073 Which Hebrew Torah? The original paleo-hebrew, non-contradictory Samaritan Pentateuch or the later, corrupted and contradictory Masoretic Text version?

[@ready1fire1aim1]

@@shainazion4073 The Kuntillet ‘Ajrud inscriptions mention blessings by the names of YHWH of Samaria (Yehowa, God of Israel) and YHWH of Teman (Yahweh, God of Israelites). Like all ancient Near Eastern gods, these two regional gods must have had central temples. This article examines their possible locations and suggests that the combination of the Kuntillet ‘Ajrud inscriptions with the eighth-century prophecies of Amos and Hosea holds the key for identifying these. In light of a detailed analysis of Hosea’s and Amos’ prophecies, it is further suggested that YHWH of Samaria was the name of the major God of the Kingdom of Israel and his main temple was located at Bethel, and that YHWH of Teman was the name of the God of the southern desert regions and his temple was located at Beer-sheba. Israelite traders who traveled southward probably visited the latter god’s temple, offered him sacrifices, made vows to repay him if they succeed in the expedition, and thus turned him to be their patron god during their travel in the desert region. This suggested identification explains why the Judahite cult place of Beer-sheba appears in Amos’ prophecy alongside the Israelite sanctuaries of Bethel, Gilgal, and Dan.

[@markok4086]

Another gasbag. There are a lot of gasbags on here.

[@Erimgard13]

Sorry but I can't put any stock in the guy who was caught selling literally thousands of fake artifacts. Thousands. Everyone who examined the scroll when it still existed provided detailed and compelling arguments for why it was not genuine. The few who think otherwise today don't even have access to the thing they're defending, because it's been gone for ages. And claims that the Documentary Hypothesis and Paleo style writing wouldn't have been known to him are just false.

[@vegadon4112]

The 10 commandments come from the Egyptian book of the dead part of the 42 laws of Maat

[@lauratempestini5719]

We NEED to pray to THE FATHER!!!!: Job 28:11 …He bindeth the floods from overflowing; and the thing that is hid bringeth he forth to light. Psalm 94: THE LORD WILL NOT FORSAKE HIS PEOPLE 1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. 2 Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Ross, I’ll be praying for you and alll!🤲🏼🤲🏼🤲🏼

[@WatchmanJoshua777]

Moses appears several times amongst the god i believe in. God and God alone could change my mind but I believe commandments are also in our heart, we know right from wrong I Naturally. That's god! 🛡🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻🛡

[@lauratempestini5719]

THE FATHER Loved All HIS creation! 🚫Flesh Eating and burnt Offerings: This really deep deception!!! Going through our cannon there are several verses that ABA NEVER wanted any blood sacrifices!!! This is very understandable if we go back to The Garden of Eden and and OUR CREATOR’S original intent for man! Our food was vegetation. THE FATHER is The CREATOR of life!!! How could HE take pleasure in burning of any flesh ???!!! Supporting verses: Psalm 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. 16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. Jeremaiah 7: 21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: 26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. Isaiah 1: 10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Food Was Bread: Deuteronomy 9:17 And I took the two tables, and cast them out of my two hands, and brake them before your eyes. 18 And I fell down before the LORD, as at the first, forty days and forty nights: I did neither eat bread, nor drink water, because of all your sins which ye sinned, in doing wickedly in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.19 For I was afraid of the anger and hot displeasure, wherewith the LORD was wroth against you to destroy you Nehemiah 9:15 And (a)gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and (b) broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they (c)should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them. Cross References: a. Numbers 14:30 Exodus 16:14,15 John 6:31 b. Exodus 17:6 Numbers 20:9-13 c. Deu 1:8 You might think how could there be this contradiction in are Bibles???!!! But The Holy men of THE MOST HIGH GOD sent HIS Prophet to rebellious Kings, Priests, and False Prophets. Jeremiah 8: 1 At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves: 2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth. 3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts. SIN AND TREACHERY 4 Moreover thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; Shall they fall, and not arise? shall he turn away, and not return? 5 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. 6 I hearkened and heard, butthey spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle. 7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD. 8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. 9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them? Jeremiah 16: 19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. 20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

[@jonhart8801]

Amazing information guys I really appreciate it. After reading the Bible cover to cover once and obsessing over revelation I kind of gave up. I love hearing technicals these days🖖

[@5675492]

I really believe the prophet/ priest class added all the " god commands sacrifices of your best things/tithing/elaborate temple building " to the scriptures to create a gravy train cash cow for themselves .

[@horus4862]

I need more on this, can't wait for a hard copy, going to have to get the Kindle version today. Please Derek can we have a follow up on this?

[@starkiller9897]

Would love to hear alot more. Going to have to check out his book!!

[@SimpleTruth1309]

What if Moses was the most popular name in the phone book at that time, and this scroll was written by a different guy named also named Moses ??

[@thecontagiouscajun4795]

Genesis chapter 12 is no slam dunk. “….Canaanites were then in the land..” can be understood in the context as saying the Canaanites were already there.

[@Importantfeelings]

Popcorn time !

[@harveywabbit9541]

At least it's real.

[@scienceexplains302]

*no sacrifices* if the original text didn’t have sacrifices, then what is Jeremiah 7:22 arguing against?

[@constpegasus]

I’m blown away. Need to watch this more times.

[@deniss2]

Funny, the mere fact that you did this interview places doubt upon the authenticity of this manuscript. Then, I don't know what it says, but there is already an indication that it contradicts scripture, which I have every reason to believe as being inspired, and that makes me even more sceptical. It seems that the only way to get any further information is by reading this book. That looks like a sales pitch and makes me even more sceptical. Truth is, I won't hang my hat on anything said or written here, even though I'd like to read the scroll for myself. Perhaps it doesn't contradict scripture at all. Time will tell.

[@evaulrikajansson62]

Well IF you never have read it , how can you deem it authentic?

[@deniss2]

@@evaulrikajansson62 I've read the scroll for myself in the interim. Found it not contradictory, but not particularly convincing either. So, not problematic in content, but on the level of any apocryphal writing. Just somewhat interesting. Nothing in the interview is particularly convincing and the scroll isn't a bookworthy manuscript.

[@shaydowsith348]

Actually there are 613 commandments, not just 10.

[@nust8235]

Jeremiah seven is just saying that at that time it wasn’t commanded yet

[@amycollins8832]

Why TEN commandments? I think back to George Carlin "Because its a good round number!" And then he proceeds to break it down.

[@garlandjones7709]

It would be much more complex than that

[@EconAdviser]

Elo-kim is what Jews say instead, in order not to take the Lord's name in vain. Just like Jews say ado-shem for the other name of G-d.

[@garlandjones7709]

It depends on what sect they're from and where they're located as to what they use

[@patdainel9037]

I was listening to this with just the audio, and I thought, my god, I didn’t know woody harrelson was a biblical scholar

[@memcrew1]

Woody?

[@junebrumbeloe6939]

I hear Mathew McConaughey. Lol!

[@brianreardon159]

Well if nothing else can be proved. We've got the Moses basket 🧺

[@theunwantedcritic]

preachers can't make money if the people read and study the bible.

[@smariscal24]

Amazing talk, very interesting.

[@amadeus_k2466]

Well, that was rather disappointing

[@osuclassof88]

Canon from Arabic word Qanun=~law

[@laurief.2910]

Wow! What a great interview!

[@blingcicero6570]

Good perspective

[@asproyia935]

Moses . What . Roll has He in Time . 🐍

[@asproyia935]

Nice work Ross ,

[@strappedfatman7858]

Those that survive The Great Tribulation sing the song of Moses and of the Lamb. Revelation 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass+ mingled with fire, and those who are victorious+ over the wild beast and its image+ and the number of its name+ were standing by the sea of glass, holding harps of God. 3 They were singing the song of Moses+ the slave of God and the song of the Lamb,+ saying: “Great and wonderful are your works,+ Jehovah* God, the Almighty.+ Righteous and true are your ways,+ King of eternity.+ 4 Who will not really fear you, Jehovah,* and glorify your name, for you alone are loyal?+ For all the nations will come and worship before you,+ because your righteous decrees have been revealed.”

[@Waynesification]

The last verse is written by somebody else, it's a compilation. Which is true this one or the Biblical one. More proof is needed. Somebody writes about accounts, another may collect those accounts together and publish them. The person publishing the accounts gives a retrospective. A person finding an old book, or publishing a retrospective, may update the names of places in the book, and older language, to more current ones, at least the ones he thinks are right. Si, finding a very old lost book after extensive falling away, is a distinct possibility, and bringing it into the current language usage of the day. There have also been misalignments in historical time lines, and I would say deliberately to present a false picture. Also, presumptions have been used to attack the Bible. Was it originally camels, horses or mules that were used in the bible and mistranslated or we don't know our history on camels. With the above simple statements, the arguments here dissipate. There needs to be more rigorous research. The arguments in the video are very Germanic, not considering the the expanse of what happens in real life. The silver scrolls. Proof not a forgery? Certain people will go to extreme lengths to fool people, and live the lie. They will take things sideways, estimate, forge work trying to work out the forged work. Where's the proof it wasn't. I want to know if it was or wasn't? However, and this is going be a bit ironic, given that the interviewee reminds me of the following person. Ron Wyatt recorded many discoveries before the Ark of the Covenant, which is still in place, and people can still detect the extensive gold of around 50 feet down, with other evidence of what happened there. With the Ark, he also filmed the two tablets with the ten commandments. The footage is being withheld till a later date, but there was something about the ten commandments. Have a look at the video, the Ron Wyatt discoveries. I read one article that alleged the manuscript was possible in Sydney and burnt in a house fire, but convenient answers are not always true.

[@thecontagiouscajun4795]

“Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this command I gave them: ‘Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.’ But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day. Yet they did not listen to me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬-‭26‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The burnt offering was for God alone, and no one could eat of it. The sacrifices could be eaten by the priests and their families. The idea is God is not happy with Israel, and will not accept the burnt offering. Nowhere in Jeremiah chapter 7 does god say he never spoke about burnt offerings and sacrifices. He only says he did not do so on the day he brought them out of the land of Egypt. To make the accusation the fundamentalist hate this verse or don’t read it is absolutely silly. I honestly think the author here needs to read it in it’s context because a 5 year old does a better job of understanding this, than himself.

[@larocdokarnap3227]

Leviticus 19:16-17 I am the LORD (your God). Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Its a little different but it is in the Torah

[@etzelkaplan9677]

Jesus came 'only to lost sheep of Israel ' did not bring a new religion. he came to get the Israelites back to the 10 commandments and away from the 603 added commandments written by the rabbis. the rabbis weren't having it targeted Jesus for death

[@christo-chaney]

The rabbis didn’t add 603 other commands. The rabbis didn’t add the command about the tassels in Numbers 15 or inscribing any words on the doorposts of houses & on gates. That’s in the Torah. Not added by rabbis later.

[@etzelkaplan9677]

@@christo-chaney show me kapporet and purim in torah

[@christo-chaney]

@@etzelkaplan9677 see Exodus 18.13-26, Deuteronomy 1.9-18, 13.2-6, 16.18, & 17.8-13 for evidence. Judaism isn’t Torah only.

[@etzelkaplan9677]

@@christo-chaney I can/t find twirling a live chicken overhead in order to transfer your sins to the chicken on Yom Kippur anywhere in torah. its in talmud seems the rabbis were messing with their followers

[@christo-chaney]

@@etzelkaplan9677 that’s an orthodox innovation that most Jews don’t adhere to. See Jonah chapter 3 on how to atone for sin.

[@princenameless]

Interesting

[@stevenv6463]

I immediately thought of Jeremiah 8:8 when he brought up Jeremiah. That's fascinating.

[@jerdal6825]

In this week's podcast, I sit down and have a beer with Joe shortly after he changed my starter.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

No one knows who wrote the Moses story. It has the same importance as any other man made fable.

[@Mygoalwogel]

This topic is only a problem to the most fundy radical protestants.

[@jackiedunn9404]

It says ten because there were ten. Did y'all forget how to count

[@scienceexplains302]

The ten commandments that are called 10 in the Bible are not the famous 10.

[@Mamaosa63]

That full moon in the background is not real 😮 is it?

[@chemosh9565]

What is in the scroll that it couldn’t be canonized?

[@donnaburden.dip.d.analysis2148]

Fascinating research which makes sense. Xx

[@shainazion4073]

Have they ever carbon dated the leather? Or the inks to see what was used?

[@TobiasC-mg4zk]

The document has vanished.

[@PrisonMike-_-]

I have exactly no idea what is being talked about here

[@phillipburkhart7878]

Do you have faith that might be all you need

[@Armyjay]

Fascinating stuff, keep it coming man.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

ooooo. Ghost scroll stories. 😎

[@alexdiehl27]

Good job 👏 🤔🧠

[@dbr295]

Nonstop cope

[@ivanos_95]

It's ridiculous to believe that Moses have written the Pentateuch, considering that he came from the line of Levi, while the Septuagint in general is a canonical tradition of Judah, so there's a huge abyss between those two, what makes it possible that this "moses scroll" is coming from some lost tradition of the Levites, but it's also ridiculous to propose a random document which is completely foreign to every historical institution that came from Temple-Judaism, and claim that this document is the original source of the Judaic tradition.

[@shainazion4073]

The Septuagint is a Greek version of the Torah, not an original book.

[@ivanos_95]

@@shainazion4073 No, the Pentateuch is the Greek substitute for the Torah, while Septuagint is a general canon of the Old Covenant.

[@garlandjones7709]

@@ivanos_95 the septuagint was originally a Greek translation of the first five books of moses called the torah in Hebrew. It then later had the rest of the old testament combined with it. What it seems you're referring to is called the TaNaKh. The Hebrew Bible or Hebrew old testament. It stands for Torah, Nevaim(prophets), Ketuvim(writings...such as psalms and proverbs) Pentateuch means the five scrolls. LXX means the Seventy. Septuagint is the seventy written in letters, not numbers as LXX. The Pentateuch came from 70 Jewish translators to translate into Greek. The LXX/Septuagint IS the Pentateuch/Torah.

[@ivanos_95]

@@garlandjones7709 The main intent behind the Septuagint was to standardize the whole of Old Covenant or Tanakh in a single language. Obviously, the Pentateuch were the first books to be translated, due to their importance, and already being standardized into a single language. However, the Pentateuch is now exclusively the Torah, while the Septuagint is the Old Covenant or Tanakh in general.

[@garlandjones7709]

@@ivanos_95 this is the second reply I've encountered today where the message i replied to appears to have been edited with no mention. Either way, this post of yours is mainly accurate. I will lay emphasis on one issue. The Septuagint as is being called, as an old testsment translation, is NOT the TRUE Septuagint. I'll repeat. The septuagint IS/WAS the Torah. Pentateuch only. Now you concede that this was done earlier and that is true. However, it was done by 70/72 Jewish scholars and was held in high regard by the rabbis. The rest of the old testament later added to the LXX was not done by that group of 70 scholars, used different styles of translation, rearranged orders of books, and left parts of books out, etc. And was frowned upon in Rabbinic circles. I'm aware that most people associate them as the same thing today, but thst was not originally so. It's also interesting to me that the rabbis in the time of Jesus to the 2nd century 500 years after the translation seem to understand the LXX as just the pentateuch. They also had a different translation we don't have anymore either, though and that never gets mentioned by anyone I'm aware of

[@shirleydavenebeaudoin1971]

So the " Words" are a spiritual translation. Mostly through channeling or possession. No matter the scribe same entity speaking. In Hebrews he ask the reader " Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs to salvation? God does not communicate with us any longer. In this human form, but the angels or a entity does intercede for us. God judges in the congregation of the gods. So He's only correcting the lower gods who are being worshiped , By their fruits.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

That seems at least somewhat accurate. Intermediaries. The Angel of the Lord, Moses. Acts purports that the Law was given through Angels, its their argument as to why Jesus is a greater revelation, gift and truth. It's far more direct access to God than through a series of intermediaries. I think the New Testament, especially John, purports that God has spoken to us very directly in Jesus. No Angel of the Lord to speak to Jesus then Jesus speaks to us. No Angels administering the Law to Moses who then administers it to us. But God directly in and with Jesus speaking to us. In and through Jesus yes, but no intermediary between them. So John records or writes Philip asking Jesus to show us the Father/God and Jesus says “Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own, but the Father, as He remains in Me, does His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves". The word/plans of God made flesh. Tabernacling directly with us. It's so fascinating! I'm not sure if your familiar with "the law of agency". www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/894-agency-law-of --- if not then this concept may be an explanation for why for early Israelites when Angels seem to be clearly referenced people still talk as if it was seemingly God himself. One more thing, not sure if your familiar with Dr. Michael Heiser, your probably are, but he has shown that the Torah gives the idea to its ancient readers and us that God indeed gave the world over to his creations that some deem "lesser deities". And either they were bad from the start and that was our curse, or that God gave it to them in good faith to shepherd us in his name and they became corrupted. And so now God has been reclaiming this world and its people one by one. First Abraham the man. Then Israel the country. Then Jesus to the whole world. And now we wait for the final and utter and permanent reclaiming at Jesus coming.

[@BungieStudios]

@@youngknowledgeseeker The Angel of the Lord is Jesus. Sometimes angels, the servant messengers, are being mentioned but it's almost often Jesus prior to his incarnation. Particularly when He is speaking with first person authority.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@@BungieStudios In my opinion there is absolutely no way to prove that throught the Old or New Testament. It's simply speculation. Once again, in my opinion. Especially in the light of Hebrews 1 amd 2 where the author asks the rhetorical question "to which Angel has God ever said "you are my son, today I have begotten you"?". The answer being, none, and so why would you not understand that Jesus is higher than them.

[@BungieStudios]

@@youngknowledgeseeker Read the above. 👍

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Shirley I would like to add, rather than possession, the New Testament says the scriptures are God-breathed. So I don't think it was dictation for the most part. Not possession. It was men writing within the parameters of their own personalities and modes of speaking, but inspired by the Spirit, not of things their minds made up or their feelings. If that makes sense.

[@juditrotter5176]

As we get closer to the end of the Jewish Calendar I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that more and more miracles will reveal God’s message for us, no matter the religion we each may follow.

[@memcrew1]

As we get closer to the end of the Jewish calendar, I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing special happens.

[@phillipburkhart7878]

Everyone is so interested in finding the facts and evidence they forget about faith that is my blessing and not my curse but this episode just increases my love ❤ for my Creater

[@jameswright...]

Faith is auto deceptive and the worst way possible to truth. Faith by definition means to believe without evidence. Unless you think hindus Buddhist etc faith leads them to truth?

[@etzelkaplan9677]

the final revelation [quran ] would have to go to the children of Ishmael after children of Issac were cursed by moses as ' stiff necked and rebellious'. and Jesus ' vipers liars murderers as was their father satan ' they had added 603 commandments to moses 10 killed prophets and corrupted the Bible

[@shainazion4073]

The Quran and Quathem have nothing to do with God.

[@etzelkaplan9677]

@@shainazion4073 yep and the earth is flat does not move ' [bible] even today bible followers are referred to as flat earthers

[@garlandjones7709]

@@etzelkaplan9677 you're misinterpreting scriptureb

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Haven't people been trying to find Jesus (Joshua) in the Old Testament for millenia? Has anyone read the Samaritan Book of Joshua? He's right there. King Hoshea, Son of Elah. The Hero.

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

Who says? Christianity is a divided religion, divided along core doctrines, theology, translations, word meanings, interpretations, bible versions, denominations, sects, , rhetoric, dogma and more.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 True haha. But if you've ever read the Masoretic Text Book of Joshua...then read the Tribe of Ephraim's "Samaritan" Book of Joshua you'll see they are wildly different. I believe the Samaritan version. That's my Jesus.

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

@@ready1fire1aim1 Oh ok, that's fine 😃

[@shainazion4073]

The King has nothing in common with the story of Jesus.

[@shainazion4073]

@@ready1fire1aim1 Joshua is not Jesus. The name Yeshua means Joshua, it was Iouses in Greek.

[@NeuroticBliss]

How can this be authentically from moses when moses is widely accepted to be a myth even among Jewish scholars?

[@joemedley195]

You didn’t watch this, did you?

[@joemedley195]

If you had, you would have learned within 3 minutes that the Moses in question is Moses Shapiro, not Moses the prophet.

[@NeuroticBliss]

@@joemedley195 sorry. I had it on but was tending to a 2 year old and 3 month old. I'll watch it again when I can focus.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

In addition to this being a different Moses, academicians use "Moses" as a shorthand for the originator of the core of the Pentateuch, much like how they use the names of the gospels as a shorthand for the gospel writers despite knowing that the gospels weren't written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

[@astrol4b]

"how can these be the remains of the city of Troy,when Troy is widely accepted as a myth?" Same logic.

[@cindystevens4035]

I was just speaking about that today. Joshua 10.13 is proof that the Bible is not infallible. Revelation warns us if we take or add you will be cursed to hell. Well its out in there because the synagogue 🕍 of Satan did change the Bible. Its been a deep Rabbit whole. I stopped using the name YHWH 2 months ago. I found the Name YHWH in the inscription of the NIV Bible. But never in the Bible verse. So I adopted the Jews stance on not Calling on God's Name. I call Him Our Heavenly Father Now. The synagogue of Satan is most certainly behind this. Ive tested it on KZbin. If i mention the Phrase Synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2.9 the comment is removed. Jesus is Lord or Lord. King of Kings. God Manifested in Flesh.

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

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[@epicofgilgamesh9964]

You should look into the origins of Satan. *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"*

[@memcrew1]

Did you forget your meds?

[@rainbowkrampus]

Don't say YooHoo. Do believe in Satan. Huh? Are the jews right or aren't they?

[@shainazion4073]

Genius, did you ever read Revelations 2.8? It tells you that this was written to the Church in Smyrna, not the Jews. This is part of the *7 Letters to the 7Churches* It tells you that it was written to the early Churches at Smyrna, Sardis, Philadelphia and 4 others, not to Jews at all.

[@montymartell2081]

BS I've seen more ancient places at Disneyland

[@tittyrino]

Check out the channel The God Culture.

[@arvewilliams2639]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genizah?wprov=sfti1