The Most Absurd Conspiracy About Jesus (REBUTTED)

[@redmagelibra2897]

I had a family member buy into this, and linked the documentary to me awhile ago. Instead of pushing me further from Christianity, it pushed me to read more actual academic and apologetic works. I am now attending OCIA classes. So that backfired 😂

[@Clyde-S-Wilcox]

That's the danger in spreading lies. The weak minded and gullible will beleive anything, but the wise will learn the truth while trying to confirm the lie.

[@antoniosanjurjo8442]

Amen and congratulations on attending OCIA. Welcome Home

[@redmagelibra2897]

@Clyde-S-Wilcox There's a much longer story there. I think people who are ex-christians especially those who had a rather guilt ridden experience almost need something like this to be true.

[@d.a.tsun5104]

When I lived in SE Asia, the same information was used by the muslim 'scholar' in order to 'debunk' Christianity. But in doing so they inadvertently would also debunk Islam.

[@firangele8094]

Praise be to God! 🙏🙏🙏

[@ninjason57]

Satan is getting lazy.

[@zacharyboudreau9127]

Why would he need work hard when we don’t?

[@461weavile]

Unfortunately, he has the opportunity to be lazy. Our culture makes it easy enough for him to afford that luxury.

[@Christusvinci]

Or crazy

[@stevem2529]

It is all batshit bonkers

[@HaleStorm49]

He's been lazy since Nicea.

[@B59800]

Josephus & Tacitus, a Jewish high-spciety-er & Roman Aristocrat, the last people to sympathize with Christianity, still recorded John the Baptist & Jesus, yet some people just can't accept this.

[@Clyde-S-Wilcox]

Compare it to a spouse who's repeatedly cheated on who won't stop insisting "BUT S/HE LOVES MEEEEE!"

[@andreyillnips7550]

*society

[@theo-dr2dz]

Josephus was a Jewish priest. He was requested to be a leader in the revolt, but declined, because he forsaw that the revolt wouldn't stand a chance. It hardly took a Nostradamus to predict that. In the end he was morally blackmailed to do it anyway and he did, out of sense of duty and solidarity. The revolt failed, and Josephus was captured by the Romans. He was enslaved but because he was an intellectual got access to Vespasian and befriended him. He wrote his book in order to justify his involvement in the revolt. Hardly the kind of person that would invent Christianity. Compared to this theory, the "Paul McCartney is dead" thing is a pinnacle of logic.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

Tacitus does not record Jesus of Nazareth. He may have been referring to Jesus of Nazareth, but that is not conclusive.

[@penandsword4386]

They noted that Christians existed. Josephus and Tacitus were on the scene after 73 AD. They never came within 100 miles of "historical Jesus"

[@fallenkingdom-zd8xh]

Happy Feast Day of the Immaculate Conception! Remember to go to Mass since today is a holy day of obligation.

[@newglof9558]

It is, but many dioceses (including my own) offer a dispensation from attending Mass today, though it is recommended that you do something extra in honor of the day (which could, but doesn't necessarily, include attending Mass)

[@Ruudes1483]

@@newglof9558Our parish had a vigil Mass yesterday, thankfully.

[@sivad1025]

Tlm still celebrates on the 8th. But happy Immaculate Conception!

[@vtaylor21]

If a person claims to be an “expert” of Christianity are usually not a Christian and probably have a negative view of Christianity.

[@valkyrestudios416]

And when an expert is Christian they dismiss him and reject the idea that he is an expert simply because “he is biased”

[@nicbentulan]

​@@valkyrestudios416 here's the truth by majority vote : - Anti-theism Vs other? Other? - Theism Vs honest atheism? Theism. - Non-Islam Vs Islam? Non-Islam? - Abrahamism Vs Dharmism? Abrahamism. - Christianity Vs Judaism? Well you know Gasai.

[@newglof9558]

​@@valkyrestudios416this. I don't know why atheists presume themselves to be neutral. They're often the most dogmatic people I've ever met

[@SandwichDoctorZ]

​​​@@valkyrestudios416 Exactly. It reminds me of times i'd reference Tacitus or Josephus (non believer historical source) and the Bible (as a historical collection of the believers' and eyewitnesses' testimonies), in a debate, and there's often a reply which is some version of "well, name a NON-believer who was an eyewitness, then i'll believe you!" Or "The christian sources would be biased though" They dont stop to consider they're asking for a paradox. If a non-believer says "i saw Jesus rise from the dead!" They're not a non-believer anymore, are they? Lol the closest example to what they're asking for is the apostle Paul, who was a pharasee who converted after seeing Jesus, but an atheist would still consider that a christian source for the same reason. His records would become part of the Bible too to begin with. It's frankly frustrating tho how dishonest some atheists are about this point. It's like demanding "name an atheist who believes in God!"💀😅😂 Their replies also imply that if someone's biased, their sources are untrustworthy, which is a flawed claim, as it ignores all the bias an atheist would have too, from a bias for naturalist philosophy, to bias in favor of individualistic desire, etc, as if that bias doesnt impact they're conclusions. Everyone has some level of 'bias', so it's an odd assertion that a bias should invalidate a point completely

[@llamahguy7229]

​@valkyrestudios416 sure some people may incorrectly do that, but where was that fallacy made in this video?

[@HipHip_Jorge]

I once bought into this documentary. Lost my faith for a bit. I regained my faith once I learned Pope Clement of Rome is not the same guy as Clement of Alexandria. Clement of Alexandria was a Flavian. I’m now in OCIA to become Catholic. Thank you for rebutting this video!

[@newglof9558]

Jesus mythicism should be treated similarly to flat eartherism.

[@JesusisKing134]

In academia the idea that Jesus wasn't a real person is laughable. It is strange that the atheists who claim to be the champions of science and reason missed this.

[@E-pistol]

Saints believe in flat earth, flat earthers today believe in Jesus. Do you believe in nasa and spacesex ?

[@newglof9558]

​@@E-pistolproof proof of your claim sir

[@E-pistol]

@@newglof9558 , N.A.B. page between page 6 and 7. 😂

[@Royal-94]

​@@E-pistol spacesex?

[@irritated888]

Question: "when fringe scholarship rejects you, to whom do you go? Answer: the History Chanel.

[@shnookiepookie9971]

Of all the academic fields, I would have thought historians would have been the last to allow such inaccuracy become mainstream. I don't think I've known one to let a detail slide without some comments. Maybe it was bringing in the aliens that did it! 👽

[@jomidiam]

@@shnookiepookie9971 The History Channel is a business first, and there's a bigger audience for fringe ideas than for serious history. It's always about money.

[@shnookiepookie9971]

@jomidiam Well yes, but some integrity used to be a thing, even among businesses when part of scholarly fields. My comment was more for all of their programs being false now, rather than just a portion. I'm not entirely sure there are more people interested in illogical conspiracies than actual history either? But they do reality shows too which may be the bigger draw. Either way they're definitely not a history channel anymore and that's sad.

[@jomidiam]

@@shnookiepookie9971 I think integrity is a rare thing and always has been wherever money is involved. When we encounter integrity in business, it's a bonus, not something to be expected. Money is too powerful a force for most people to resist.

[@shnookiepookie9971]

@jomidiam I disagree. I think integrity was not rare until the abandonment of Christian culture. At least at a base amount

[@raymondrinehart5957]

As a Protestant , I listen to as many catholic KZbinrs/ podcast as I do Protestants. It just dawned on me today.

[@jackieo8693]

I've been arguing with anti Christmas "Christians" online. One accused me of worshipping "Nimrod." These people are crazy.

[@Christusvinci]

Nuts 😂😂😂😂I tell ya

[@moczs]

I used to stop celebrating Christmas because it was created to compete against a pagan holiday, because it became more secular than holy in the culture and also because of the fact that we don't know when Jesus was actually born. Last time I did, I was a little boy. I'm not willing to be one of those conspiracy theorists christians because most of them are kinda ignorant and arrogant. In fact, I stopped celebrating any other holiday too,.but the reason for that is that I don't think there's such thing like a 'special day'. The only thing that remained was the Pentecost day, but even for that, I just contend myself of partaking in the sunday worship. Two christian evangelists (I dont know his denomination, maybe catholic) tried to talk to me about some Christmas Church event but I was so distracted that I just said "I don't celebrate Christmas". And they said "Why?" while being stunned. And I didn't know what to say, so I basically just used the fact that I'm doing health studies as an excuse. I still wish them blessings as they were bold enough to stop me on the street to talk about Jesus in some sort of way. One of the friends I met, who did celebrate Christmas but only culturally because he was a non-believer in school was kinda shocked that I didn't celebrated Christmas at all while it being a christian holiday. For now, Christmas for me is just a yearly sale period with bunch of hypocrites pretending to do good the next year. But I admit it reunites family, which is honorable. The only time I do something significant on the 25th December is if my aunt actually calls me for a family dinner. I spend time with them because I'm not a religious jerk who thinks that partaking with family is wicked just because Christmas is 'pagan'. Should I celebrate Christmas again ?

[@jackieo8693]

@moczs of course! Why wouldn't a Christian celebrate the birth of Christ? Who cares if it took the place of a pagan holiday or not? Who cares what the actual date was?

[@Christusvinci]

@moczs and who says Christmas is pagan, I really don't understand Christians, especially prots, I really don't get. They don't know and they don't ask. It's all about vibes for them. Christmas was set against the hannukah which is the dedication of the new temple. What is the new temple.? The incarnation of Christ into the Human flesh. It's. Week long celebration culminating in Christmas and commemorated with the lighting of four candles for each week up until Christmas. As you know a large population of the early Christians are Jews.

[@moczs]

Ok. Then thanks for the rebuke guys, I guess. I'll make sure to study the origins of Christmas in depth

[@HallowMas-m3s]

You know it's spoop when they have to play music to play on emotions as they present their case.Anytime you hear swells in the music while watching a documentary, you're being cheesed.

[@tc59932]

Not necessarily - production quality can be maximised without the content being presented untrue. However, if it’s absurdly dramatic and the claims questionable, then the intention is clear

[@rogerkearns8094]

There's never any music in church, of course.

[@anthonyoer4778]

​@rogerkearns8094 in churches with music, there are also songs and prayers. All readily available with scripture for anyone.

[@ToddJambon]

It's crazy to me that some people work so hard to try to disprove God and/or Christianity. It is futile to attempt it. But what is their goal? Is it for their own glory to feel smarter than everyone else? Do they think the world would be a better place if everyone renounced God/Christianity? Because I would really love to see statistics that show rates of violent crimes among regular churchgoers vs. non-churchgoers. These people are working for the devil, whether they know it or not.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

No one needs to renounce that which has not been demonstrated to exist; i.e., a god or gods. Simply remaining unconvinced, as theism is not epistemically justified and is irrational, is the most honest position to hold. It's commonly referred to as having a good epistemology.

[@ToddJambon]

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 You can hold that position while not making documentaries trying to convince people their 2,000-year-old view is wrong. My beef is not with the belief, which is understandable one. I want to know why they feel compelled to convince everyone else that their view is absolutely correct.

[@ToddJambon]

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 You can hold that position without making documentaries trying to convince people that your view is the correct one. They have every right to make the documentaries and be unconvinced apologists for their cause. I just wonder what their goal is. For Trent's podcast, for example, I can see that his goal is to convince people that Christianity is true with the goal of drawing people closer closer to God and Heaven. Lastly, I would say it's only an opinion that God has not been demonstrated to exist. There have been countless miracles, apparitions, conversions, etc. over the history of Judaism and Christianity. You can choose to believe that in all cases, there are scientific explanations we don't know of yet, that people are lying, and that conversion is just a reprogramming of the brain rather and a reinvigoration of the soul. Lastly, the fact that anything exists violates the law of conservation of mass. And the universe clearly runs on mathematical rules that are highly unlikely to be random. Some people bring up the eternal universe theory when I talk about this; but that makes less sense than intelligent design when using logic.

[@karlmarxsteingoldberg-kike4046]

because the false cults are obviously stupid. Christianity is so effective and airtight that it forces them to use bad faith “arguments” to delegitimize it.

[@justpodzol9681]

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 Wooooooow, what a *smart* guy you are. I bet your parents are so proud of you for being so *smart* and *intellectual.*

[@Nidhogg13]

My childhood knowledge of Greek and Egyptian mythology kept me from believing the whole "Jesus is just the same as these pagan gods" thing when I first heard it. What those ancient pagan religions believed is just nothing like what Christianity preaches.

[@EmilyAlton-q8m]

Same here. I was into mythology as a kid, Egyptian, Greek, Celtic, Norse, whatever have you. When I first saw the Zeitgeist film that claimed pretty much every pagan god was born on December 25th, of a virgin, had twelve disciples, preached, was called the Son of God and the Alpha and Omega, I just had to laugh.

[@danielanthony8373]

There were similar stories mythologies etc ie Hercules half man half God These stories and mythologies was God preparing the World for his arrival

[@zach415]

Titus’ reign as emperor began in 79 AD but the Didache was written in 70 AD. Nearly a decade before Titus’ reign

[@madsocsci]

*at least 70AD. 😁

[@Tyler-iv7po]

​@@madsocsci *at most 70AD

[@madsocsci]

@Tyler-iv7po Talk about nitpicking. Pretty sure you knew it was meant as "at least that long ago." Whatever makes you feel good.

[@Tyler-iv7po]

@madsocsci Stop crying and take the L. Do better next time and you won't look so foolish.

[@penandsword4386]

Um, no. There aren't any fragments that pre date the year 110 . But still it's Roman - approved, anti -rebellion, and anti -Jewish like the rest of the NT.

[@ElvinRams]

There’s a crazy amount of absurdity in using the fact that Jesus quoted the OT as an argument against Christianity. Like, how do you get to that point? That’s the entire point of Christianity, that Jesus fulfills the OT. 😂😂😂

[@nicbentulan]

Time stamp please?

[@ElvinRams]

@nicbentulan 6:09

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@ElvinRams it's far crazier to follow a jewish tribal God when you're not jew.

[@nicbentulan]

@ElvinRams OMG THANK YOU GOD BLESS YOU

[@penandsword4386]

Or. they're both books, with super heroes doing miracles, that are absolutely unfounded, fulfilling "prophecies" , after the fact.

[@fhblake04]

Christ is King.

[@oliverneftaliandradeayala8504]

AMEN

[@LukeCayton-b2g]

@@oliverneftaliandradeayala8504forever and ever

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@fhblake04 God is a cosmic horror.

[@onvogmasaj]

Christ is King

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

Based

[@SantiYounger]

Thanks for all the incredible work you do Trent, I came back to Catholicism and you played a major role in helping me understand the Catholic church and its beauty

[@rosecorcoran]

To quote Tim Gun trying to respond diplomatically to an absolutely insane take: "That's a...... point of view."

[@debranaumczik6286]

This Blows My Mind things people come up with ! Wild ! Mercy and Christ Peace to All Believers and all Our Apologetics 🙏🏻✝️💗

[@thinkandrepent3175]

Brings back flashbacks of the History channel running shows about a made-up Jesus or questioning his existence. They would even show them on Easter and Christmas.. no shame

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

So glad you covered this! I believed this theory too for a while. Or a similar one “creating Christ” book & documentary. But Mary came to me about a year ago while I was visiting Assisi and I came to believe in Christ through my vision.

[@StringofPearls55]

That's pretty cool! Mary always lead us to her son.

[@justindesouza977]

would you mind sharing the vision

[@megred7364]

Thank you for addressing this again! I don't know if it's just me, but I keep seeing these conspiracies popping up online.

[@nickw9766]

Anyone who says that Constantine made Christianity the state religion is no historian. Sorry.

[@Crownofsamuel]

What did he do tho, I'm just curious

[@adamdewitt6430]

​​​@@Crownofsamuel Constantine LEGALIZED Christianity. It became an officially state-tolerated religion - meaning you could no longer be arrested, tried, punished, or otherwise persecuted for practicing it. And the church could now hold property. Among other benefits of not having the legionnaires on your back waiting to crucify you (slight hyperbole) for not sacrificing to either Caesar or Holy Roma (Rome itself as personified as a female deity), and instead insisting that Jesus is King. Edit: The designation of official and sole religion didn't come until after Constantine.

[@carl-yawatha]

​@@Crownofsamuel 10:00 mark, Trent explains it

[@penandsword4386]

Really? The jews wrote that submitting to Rome is a best case scenario? And the messiah was a cooperator with the empire ? Sure, why would Judeans want independence from the Roman army, when maybe some one could turn water to wine and walk on waves and come back from the dead, and speak in prophecy and fly though the air ---

[@DarkArcticTV]

there's a guy on reddit/discord who has been obsessed with this theory for years on end and have been trying to convince christians of it

[@TheCharlie1701]

That is absurd. I've never heard any conspiracy with soooo many holes, and I used to hang out with art school hippies.

[@wjgranger5]

That Zeitgeist documentary back in the 2000's was by far one of the most destructive videos that came out. I still feel like it was a miracle I didn't buy into it when most of my friends did.

[@reviewspiteras]

That guy who co-wrote Jesus mysteries and faked that archeological evidence got me laughing "its like the universe wanted us to make public our findings"; These pantheist always gotta tell on themselves.

[@IsaiahWagner-jx9kb]

“I don’t believe in god except when it’s convenient”

[@elbowrustler]

I’m an agnostic and the idea of a non-historical Jesus is absurd, lol.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

I am an atheist and, per the historical data, I find it extremely improbable that Jesus of Nazareth was not a historical figure. It's far more likely than not that a first century Jewish teacher that we refer to as Jesus of Nazareth actually existed and had legendary developments occur about him after his death.

[@nicbentulan]

6:40 John 13:34 proves Christianity to Jews Muslims atheists and to everyone. Yahweh said only Leviticus 19:18 & Deuteronomy 6:5 but never John 13:34 in a single verse in the Tanakh 'Love one another as I the Lord your God love you.' Covenant equation John 13:34 = Leviticus 19:18 + Deuteronomy 6:5 - PROVES EVERYTHING. These 3 verses can't be 'corrupted' as Muslims say. The new commandment John 13:34 sums up and proves Christianity, fulfills Jews & honest atheists and defeats Muslims & anti-theists. Why, and what's the difference between 'Love one another as Jesus loves you' and 'Love one another as Yahweh loves you' ? ​@@nonprogrediestregredi1711

[@richardcastro1276]

We will all know one day... the truth. But by then it would have been too late if you guessed wrong. As for me, I am extremely certain because of miracles that have happened to me.

[@elbowrustler]

@@richardcastro1276 It sounds like your experiences gave you a lot of insight. Thanks for sharing your truth!

[@ben0298]

These conspiracy theories are difficult for the average person to debunk. Most dont have time to fact-check anything, so it is understandable that some could be taken in.

[@Christusvinci]

@@ben0298 if we Curtains are serious about if faith then this is the new battle ground

[@ben0298]

@Christusvinci We should draw this to a close 😜

[@auraguard0212]

The documentary claims that Constantine was part of the Flavian dynasty. No; Flavius was just a really common first name in that era of Roman history.

[@hunter-dx2lu]

The cow flavia

[@karachie2008]

“ The Stupid are always with us.” - John 21: 26

[@Clyde-S-Wilcox]

Watches Catholic video Sees South Park clip Yeah that was not on my Bingo card.

[@pelinalwhitestrake9612]

Catholics can have humor sometimes

[@debbiegraham5585]

Thank you, Trent Horn

[@Clyde-S-Wilcox]

Yeah... the society that nailed people to wood who displeased them was totally subtle enough to think up this kind of of psy-op. 🙄

[@msuspartan2016]

This documentary shows up on auto play so many times for me.

[@DanyTV79]

Great video, as always.

[@scottgun00]

2:23 Why does their pic of Paul look like the monk from _Diablo 3_ ? 🤣

[@raphaeld9270]

Maybe AI art? Not sure where this snippet is coming from, maybe from a Paulogia video?

[@raphaeld9270]

Yeah it is a Paulogia video : " Who Really Wrote the Letters of Paul? (New Testament)"

[@raphaeld9270]

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[@Zetact_]

The talking about the amulet also shows a real problem about using "CE" because when you simply write, "A third-century AD amulet" as you SHOULD it makes the entire paragraph look really ridiculous. It's like a "$9.99 or $10" slight nudge to your instinct. Even if the amulet is 100% real, dating it to the third century means it implies NOTHING about early Christianity.

[@devotedandfree]

7:35 Literally what other religion before Christ has this many similarities? They literally make this stuff up on the fly

[@lungbarrow639]

The Cult of Dionysus is what you’re asking for - Dionysus, according to tradition, was the son of a God (Zeus) who was born of a human female, who’s first signature miracle was related to wine, who had a discipleship of a dozen humans (they were females instead of males but still disciples) who was persecuted by the governing authorities for his claim, who referred to himself as “the vine”, etc, etc. I would recommend The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku, which goes over dozens of examples of Parallels between the two figures. It also touches on the Greek language and how the Gospel of John uses phrases verbatim that were found in The Bacchae, when describing Dionysus’ story.

[@brittoncain5090]

@@lungbarrow639Cool story. What's your source for any of that?

[@kuafer3687]

​@@lungbarrow639 Dionysus had multiple myths about his birth, sometimes his mother was another goddes, the one with the human mother include him being sewn into the Zeus' thigh, he had multiple followers not a dozen, "being persecuted by government" means literally one dude. And it's his followers who were persecuted not him. And they teared the dude apart.

[@rmac9177]

@@lungbarrow639 I think there is a of Old Testament context that is left out of this however. Dr Michael Heiser would be a good person to reference on the story of Jesus and the Trinity being present in the OT. One very common theme that can be found in the OT are nearby gods (Baal for example) having their description be attributed to the Jewish God. Except it is done in a way to say this is the true God where the other is a counterfeit. For instance, the prophetic writings of Daniel describing a vision of the Mesiah coming as the Son of Man on the clouds (the cloud rider), referencing the second coming. Baal was known as the god who controlled the weather and this was done on purpose, but this isn’t meant as a copy. It’s saying you think Baal controls the weather? Think again, the Messiah ride in on them. Especially important to remember that Baal was morally evil compared to the Jewish God and a distinction needed to be made to the people at the time who worshiped multiple gods. I could see this being very similar comparison between Dionysus and Jesus who promoted almost a complete different lifestyle from each other. Also the idea of the God Man is actually very much hinted at in Jewish writings prior to the gospels. I need to read more in depth from the examples you gave, but my guess is those authors don’t go into the actual links to OT context but maybe I am wrong. Appreciate the post though, like to read more about how people interpret these things.

[@rmac9177]

@@lungbarrow639 I think there is a of Old Testament context that is left out of this however. Dr Michael Heiser would be a good person to reference on the story of Jesus and the Trinity being present in the OT. One very common theme that can be found in the OT are nearby gods (Baal for example) having their description be attributed to the Hebrew God. Except it is done in a way to say this is the true God where the other is a counterfeit. For instance, the prophetic writings of Daniel describing a vision of the Mesiah coming as the Son of Man on the clouds (the cloud rider), referencing the second coming. Baal was known as the god who controlled the weather, but this isn’t meant as a copy. Its saying you think Baal controls the weather? Think again, the Messiah will arrive on them. Especially important to remember that Baal was morally evil compared to the Hebrew God and a distinction needed to be made. I could see this being very similar comparison between Dionysus and Jesus who promoted almost a complete different lifestyle from each other. Also the idea of the God Man is actually very much hinted at in Jewish writings prior to the gospels. I need to read more in depth from the examples you gave, but my guess is those authors don’t go into the actual links to OT context but maybe I am wrong. Appreciate the post though, like to read more about how people interpret these things.

[@MoonlightDnobis]

Saw this after the billy carson debate😂

[@LukeCayton-b2g]

I always think of Billy Carson when I think of conspiracy theorists 😂

[@raymondschmitt8975]

This is just the plot of Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

[@Gyvulys]

6:14 "it's in fact from the Old Testament" Well... that's what Christians knew all along. Our Lord said so Himself - *"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them"*

[@batmaninc2793]

When they’re so desperate in their hagiophobia that they create their own fictional universe.

[@BensWorkshop]

Great work.

[@thomasjefferson6]

Wonderful presentation, concise, informative, and accurate. This is Trent Horn at his best.

[@supernerd8067]

8:38 I wonder if this is where Atlus got their ideas for Persona 3 back in 2005 and 2006. In that game, the persona Orpheus, based on the Greek hero, evolves into Messiah, which looks nothing like Jesus. Granted, SMT games are the last place to get theology, especially if they are getting it from terrible sources 😂.

[@josuesilva9409]

Didnt think I would see someone talking about persona in here 😂

[@EinSofVirtuoso]

I have to say the most absurd in my opinion is the "Jesus was a mushroom" theory lol

[@DanV65]

I guess they had a Time Machine and wrote the Old Testament as well. 🤷‍♂️. The existence and crucifixion of Christ is historical fact. If you have any other theories you are just denying historical fact.

[@AlCapwnd-tb5ow]

However the resurrection and “son of God” thing are not historical fact.

[@haitaelpastor976]

"The existence and crucifixion of Christ is historical fact." You sure about that? Because the evidence is NOT there, pal.

[@DanV65]

@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow yeah just the 500 people who claimed to see him after he was crucified and all of his disciples that were tortured and brutally murdered proclaiming it.

[@AlCapwnd-tb5ow]

​@@DanV65 The problem with your comment is the fact that 500 people in no way claimed to see him after he was crucified, instead a single person (Paul) claimed 500 people witnessed him (some 20 years after the fact as well). A single person who wasn't an eyewitness themselves mind you. "all of his disciples that were tortured and brutally murdered proclaiming it." We don't actually know that more than maybe one disciple actually died in any way as a result of not denouncing their faith. Also, just because somebody dies for their beliefs does it make those beliefs true?

[@DanV65]

@ your argument doesn’t make very much sense. Considering you’re saying that a man making these claims 20 years after they happened is less believable to you than you saying they didn’t over 2000 years after they happened. A lie that’s lives on for 2000 years and believed by 2.4 billion people today doesn’t seem very likely. I can’t think of a lie in history to be that successful my friend. And hey in the end If I chose to follow this faith and live my life by it. I lived a life of love, selflessness, and hope for the future, never fearing death and living a good life. If that’s the consequences for being wrong, I’d be okay with that 👍.

[@etantife]

You and Wes Huff should have a discussion

[@karlmarxsteingoldberg-kike4046]

the voice in that first documentary is on par with a needle scraping my eardrum

[@carolzappa1804]

You're so smart.👏👏👏👍🙏

[@everetunknown5890]

Acts 26 is a great chapter to read about this subject, or just in general. It's very inspiring. When you see how personal and how greatly articulate Paul's testimony to King Agrippa is it's hard to say Paul made it all up, or worse, that somebody made up Paul

[@jacobrahe8726]

Can you do a rebuttal about arguments against the Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma and Juan Diego

[@kathygallagher3662]

Unbelievable. A “documentary”about the history of Jesus Christ but denies the true history. As always Mr. Horn, I appreciate your content and your perseverance to debunk atheistic idiocy.

[@sammygoodnight]

Thanks! I'm a connoisseur of first century conspiracy theories, and this one was a doozy.

[@CatholicaTV]

Sigh…satan simply doesn't want people knowing Christ.

[@bobinindiana]

What do you think of The Vatican displaying a creche with Jesus lying on a keffiyeh? Are Jesus and Allah the same really?

[@haitaelpastor976]

God's bodycount in the Bible: millions. Satan's bodycount in the Bible: zero. I rest my case, your Honor...

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@bobinindiana That Satan does not kill anyone in the Bible. Not a single one person. If the realm of the dead had to be enlarged, it's because God killed too many people.

[@bobinindiana]

@ Satan would murder everyone if he could. God can turn a person’s body over to Satan for destruction. I Corinthians 5:5. Most people are lost in sin & bound for Hell.

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@bobinindiana So God sends people to Satan to do his dirty work?

[@Ryan78900]

great vid

[@DanielKabweMusonda]

Nine minutes is insane ❤

[@andyfisher2403]

I enjoy your content and books. I miss the longer rebuttal videos though.

[@EstebanGunn]

You need to rebut that low hanging fruit because it does spread.

[@rescuehamster1734]

I clicked on this thinking it would be a fun and silly video. But it has dawned on me that my atheist mother has used this argument to push back against my faith's legitimacy. This is wild.

[@MoonMoverGaming]

This theory is to history what Flat Earth is to physics.

[@hrvad]

The "fishers of men" part cracked me up. How could they say such a ludicrous thing!?

[@EricA-xd9fn]

It should be almost indisputable that an inspirational individual named Jesus existed in Judea around 30AD. What that means to the subsequent theology of Christianity is where there can be sincere differences of opinion.

[@andrewpearson1903]

The confidence with which he says that Flavia Domitilla’s son was Pope Clement I should shake everyone’s confidence in the pronouncements of “scholarship.” This is just how scholars speak, even the good ones - even when they’re talking about hypotheticals they don’t say “I think X happened,” they say “X happened.” Read scholarly texts accordingly.

[@DestinyHime]

Strange the Romans never did the equivalent of this over in modern day Britain. They had way more problems keeping that place under control.

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

I just want an easy refutation to the whole "Christ went to Tibet and studied Hinduism/Buddhism before he started His ministry" nonsense

[@LorenzoPelupessy]

No evidence supporting such a claim and the guy that wrote the book is a famous new ager

[@MoonMoverGaming]

Easy: there's no evidence for it whatsoever. There's nothing even to refute. And if it were true....so what?

[@pablononescobar]

Thing about the name “Flavius”-the Roman emperors used the names of prior emperors as titles to lend legitimacy to themselves; most obviously, the use of the titles Augustus and Caesar by people who had no connection to the Caesar branch and of the Roman gens (clan) Julius

[@taylormade19]

Trent, you should totally do a video on people claiming Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet.

[@spencerd8504]

My main problem with this theory right off the bat is that they want me believe a 'lie' like Christianity can be man-made. The more you deal with the apologetic more you realize the evidence and well rounded defensive capability of the christian religious ideas that vastly outstrip any other religion you know on planet earth. If humans were capable of creating something like that they would not have been the abyssal failure of specious that repeats mistakes after mistakes be it be their rulers after rulers and civilizations after civilizations.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

“Wizard's First Rule - People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.” Terry Goodkind

[@SaltShack]

“Christianity worked within Roman rule to change Rome from within”. That is exceptional commentary. So why didn’t the Papacy remain within the Body of Christ and change it from within having this example from History? The Apostles did it among themselves when confronting first century controversy. St. Maximos endured mutilation by the Church to keep the Church from continuing in Heresy. The Popes excommunicated, unilaterally rebuked after the fact Councils it originally accepted fully and freely and finally Sacked Constantinople in 1204 the plunder of which decorates Rome and Venice to this very day.

[@centurion7398]

Silliness, silliness, all is silliness.

[@tristenwilliams1943]

When I was a young idiot I watched Richard Carrier’s lecture on this topic, and I totally bought it. I was dumb enough to even post it on Facebook. Even as an atheist, I was so embarrassed when I learned how wrong it was I issued an apology for posting it 😂

[@firangele8094]

Jesús is the way, the truth and the life! 🙏🙏❤️

[@trueblueclue]

Trent looks more and more unhinged in every thumbnail

[@astoranoble8915]

6:13 What this guy says here actually got me to laugh out loud. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you actually comes from the OT. Jesus didn't make that up." Yeah, you're getting it! lol

[@YolBasDa]

There’s always going to be people who won’t believe, that’s their wish, leave such people alone don’t listen to their nonsense , let them go to hell. The people who want to find out, tell them the gospel, give them evidence and pray for them.

[@zita-lein]

“…Frustating delusional fanatic…” Nuff said, pretty much. Thanks for this report! 💜❤️💙

[@sunnyclimes4884]

It always baffles me why people like this are obsessed with providing Jesus didn't exist. I knew someone like this years ago and I know his hatred came from something happening to him when a child, so obviously all Christians are the same, quite sad really

[@trevorhanlin4247]

near 2:28, that is a BEASTLY depiction of the apostle paul. I kind of want that as an icon now

[@michaelhotard1557]

When a person is determined not to believe, no amount of evidence to the contrary will change that person’s mind.

[@georgepierson4920]

True.

[@drewd5811]

I'm not going to read that book, but I get the strong feeling that it would get a failing grade in a high school history class.

[@boxofturtles761]

as an atheist, jesus mythicism is ridiculous and give us a bad name

[@onvogmasaj]

CLASSIC TRENT. love it when he defends the Catholic faith instead of false ones

[@dave_ecclectic]

The Romans first invented a religion to prevent Jewish uprisings and then persecuted these mythical people? The people that were invented for the empire.

[@southbug27]

Who else can feel Trent’s frustration with ridiculousness in the thumbnail picture??? It looks like he could have a nervous breakdown if he has to hear one more ridiculous theory. We feel your pain Trent, & we appreciate you bringing the facts against the nonsense. I can’t imagine how exhausting it is. 🙏🏼💒

[@seanleech8214]

Thank you Trent. Magnificent.

[@Christusvinci]

It's Constantine's fault, Trent 😎

[@amberclear7016]

Thanks, Trent.

[@chriscross7494]

The point of the good samaritan Isn't it just answer the question who of who is your neighbor that Jesus was asked but that you should go and do likewise, be a good neighbor to people.

[@alexraven5456]

Sulpicius Severus wrote that Titus said he hoped Judaism AND Christianity would be killed off with the destruction of the temple. I’m sure Vespasian and Domitian felt the same way.

[@ji8044]

No that's not true, no such quotes.

[@alexraven5456]

@@ji8044 Yeah it’s not a quote from Titus etc from the first century. It’s I guess a stated opinion in Sulpicius Severus’s Sacred History, Book II, Chapter 30.

[@maplebob23]

I remember that you could buy scholarly proof that the Gospels were written by Josephus Flavius in the classified section of Fate Magazine in the eighties.

[@Maxfr8]

Flavorless Max, the Zeitguy

[@kainosktisis777]

Isn’t it amazing the level of mental gymnastics people go to to deny Christ as Lord?

[@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν]

Weren’t the first 3-4 Popes martyred?

[@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν]

By the Roman Empire.

[@swebilbo]

Soooo were is the original texts? Why only copys? Were did all the people that got resurected and walked into Jeruyslam go? Why no mention of this in any secular sources?

[@MoonMoverGaming]

We don't have the original of ~any~ text that old, aside from stone inscriptions and a few letters. That's an unreasonable expectation. The passage in John about the dead coming out of their tombs is rather ambiguous. I'm inclined to think of it as hyperbole, to which John seems more inclined than the other Gospel writers. If it did literally happen, it may be that they were only ghosts or apparitions, or that they ascended into heaven. For secular sources regarding the crucifixion of Christ, see Josephus and Tacitus. (Neither of them believed in His resurrection, of course - if they had, they'd have become Christian and I wouldn't be able to call them "secular sources.")

[@swebilbo]

@@MoonMoverGaming "That's an unreasonable expectation." Yes if its man made... But if a god tried to preserve his words i woulkd think that would be easy for him.... Yes there were many myths about people coming back to life, resurections, lonmg before the christ myth ever happend. So is being born from a virgin etc. Even viking mythologi have Odin hanged on tree , offer himself as a sacrifice and rises later much mnore powerfull...

[@ji8044]

John's gospel is all theology, crafted around some basic facts about the life of Jesus. So of course no zombies walked around in Jerusalem

[@MoonMoverGaming]

@swebilbo God's words have been entrusted to the church for preservation. The Bible is only a tool to that end. There are no historical accounts of Odin. All we have written of him was written by European Christians, trying to recall what it was their pagan great-grandparents believed. Can you tell me in what town or year Odin was born? Do you have any direct quotes from him? Any eyewitness accounts from people who knew him on Earth? Odin is no more substantial than a puff of wind. Jesus was a man who walked the Earth in recorded history.

[@MoonMoverGaming]

@swebilbo Sorry to double-post, but the next KZbin video I watched after this one turned out to be highly relevant. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHKwioWKmrNorJIsi=60WMuNoDQpQoRebK 12:32 - 22:09 is the most relevant section. This young man explains the issue very well, I think.

[@Starrboy94]

This guys sounds like Billy Carson but without the aliens.

[@SINQUEFIELD83]

How were the apostles and the Church able to convince people all around the world of Truth in Christ. But in modern times, Christian parents are not even capable of convincing their own children of Truth? America was 90% Christian not too long ago, so what happened?

[@haitaelpastor976]

Because those apostles didn't exist either. Any evidence of them? Nothing outside the Bible, so no evidence at all.

[@SINQUEFIELD83]

@haitaelpastor976 Call them apostles or call them ninjas. I dont care. The evidence is that information existed and and information spread and became one of the most dominated religions in the world. I am not interested in engaging with a strawman

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@SINQUEFIELD83 Yeah, information about the OVNIs of Roswell is also out there, and still tons of people believe that. Christianity had the most powerful western empire making it official, and spread hand in hand, and then with all western civilizations, the ones who also spread widely. And sadly, as a side effect it gave birth to the islamic cancer, who directly spread through plain simple bloodshed.

[@DeathoftheWest]

​@@haitaelpastor976The Bible doesnt count as archeological evidence? They existed. Their influence would have never spread if their lives and deaths were not real.

[@renjithjoseph7135]

​@@haitaelpastor976 casually dismissing texts dated to 70 years of the events they describe? You're such an intellectual bro 😂

[@henryschmit3340]

The Roman emperor wouldn't invent Jesus/God in the flesh. That would be in direct competition to the emperor's own 'divinity'.