The Most COMPLICATED Ability In Pokémon

[@Vicusly]

American Day Cameos: 0:25 - America song (if that counts) 1:11 - ‘Murican Flag Pop up 3:12 - Freedom Pigeon 3:16 - Ben Shapiro Glock 3:19 - Normoe Ben Shapiro 3:47 - American Gumshooes regional variant 5:17 - this has gotta be an American band, idk who though 5:30 - the equivalent of Queen Elizabeth but American and limited term length. He’s drunk, go home 6:30 - the power of friendship, but in a cleaner/detergent 7:18 - Bush did steel beams 7:31 - is family American? Do all the memes count as American Cameos? If so then there were a lot more. Did I win?

[@MattBudYT]

I count almost all of those! But you definitely hit the 5 mark I was looking for. 5:17 there is an american reference, but it's not the (canadian) band Nickelback. 6:30 This is a stretch but Billy Mays was American. 7:31 nah but I guess driving fast cars and explosions might be Missed one at the end but that's for the true watchers

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

5:17 Baseball! 🧢⚾️

[@Vicusly]

@@jesuisunstroopwafel I didn’t even catch that lol

[@shelmet5]

i legit just going to bulbapedia to see what moves are affected by sheer force (for my braviary in a nuzlocke) when this was posted

[@MattBudYT]

Braviary has some solid sheer force boosted moves but I find likes to run Defiant with its 120bp STAB attacks usually. But Hisuian Braviary definitely takes advantage with Hurricane/Air Slash, and Psychic. Fun mon!

[@shelmet5]

@@MattBudYT defiant is a hidden ability also its pokemon white so no hisuian but ok

[@shelmet5]

still appreciate it

[@PorygonBugado]

Braviary foesnt get a single stab move boosted from Sheer force than isnt like Sky aatack or rock climb

[@murkrowyeet8484]

Ah yes, the ability designed to simplify the effects of moves to raw damage, but which in turn is significantly more complicated

[@JeremyShen13]

one shorthand for "secondary effects" i've heard is "anything that happens after the damage of a move". for instance, crit chance happens at the same time as a move's damage, and charge turns happen before damage, so they don't get cancelled. but anything like status or life orb recoil happens afterward, so they do get cancelled. it's not perfect (in particular, i have no idea how to explain cell battery working as normal but not berserk) but it covers most use cases

[@MattBudYT]

@@JeremyShen13 yeah it seems a little inconsistent in that regard. I thought for sure those other items wouldn’t proct, but they did😂

[@travisowens8905]

maybe it procs because it does all the damage calculations then rolls the rng for/ adds secondary effects which all happens during their turn and the items works independently outside it. could explain why certain abilities don’t work as normal. as for items like the battery and the like maybe they proc twice with the first one being ignored. at the end of the turn the activation clause of being hit by a certain type of move has been fulfilled and activates regardless. i’m pretty sure it uses the “if” keyword clause where things like galisopods emergency exit say”when “ and since the trigger is silenced it just stays there where if it said if below half hp it could proc again. just a theory. maybe the abilities and items work the way they do due to the wording and activation clause.

[@vez3834]

​@@MattBudYT if I had to guess it just depends on how it was coded. Cell battery might be a binary true/false, and the Maranga berry would be a variable percentage of 0% or 100% (depending on if their condition was met). I'm not sure how to check it though. Other than looking at the code.

[@realmdarkness]

Could you imagine if Sheer Force did remove recoil and 2 turn charging? It would be like a supercharged Rock Head with additional bonuses!

[@frankchen4229]

Then rock head would have no purpose. Then again Magic Guard outclassed rock head anyway

[@unkindled6410]

​@@frankchen4229magic guard removes recoil dmg?

[@frankchen4229]

@@unkindled6410 magic guard blocks residual damage to the ability bearer. So yes, magic guard blocks damage from hazards, status, *recoil*, leech seed, etc to

[@unkindled6410]

@@frankchen4229 does anyone with magic guard learns recoil moves? its a rare ability afterall only 4 mon lines learn it.

[@frankchen4229]

@@unkindled6410 they get double edge. oh and it also indefinitely blocks life orb damage

[@tomrejor4842]

I think this is something worth testing on cartridge to actually see if everything is right, since Showdown has had issue of wrongly ported effect for niche stuff before. While it's most likely they have it working properly, there is definitely a chance that for super niche never seen item they have just not thought of implementing it or have some mistakes somewhere

[@cgrw1]

Yeah Marty is usually pretty thorough with this stuff, but given it has the potential to change between gens, always potential for something to slip through the net.

[@mrtable2861]

3:45 Not quite. Sheer Force boosted moves negate the secondary effect of items that activate *after* attacking. From what I understand, there are 3 phases in a turn: - The moment before attacking, where things like damage and whether you can even use the move (like if you're choiced, locked into encore or paralyzed/asleep) are factored in; - The moment after attacking, where things like secondary effect of a move or certain items and abilities are factored in; - And at the full end of the turn, where things like status (mainly toxic and burn), weather (like Sanstorm) and certain items (like leftovers) are factored in. The first 2 happen each once for each pokemon during a turn (assuming the 2nd one moving hasn't fainted yet) while the last one happens at the full end of the turn. And it's the effects of items/abilities happening during the 2nd phase, *after* attacking, that moves boosted by sheer force ignore. Case in point, life orb. The effect of boosting damage is factored in *before* the attack is launched. But the secondary effect of dropping 10% HP occurs *after* the attack is launched. So the former is still up but the latter is negated. Also explains why the Kee and Maranga berries have their effects negated.

[@Rivecha]

3:51 Landorus Jumpscare for those who could be triggered or have related trauma

[@grunkleg.2934]

There are also a couple moves out there that get the Sheer Force boost in spite of not having consistant secondary effects. The two examples that stick out to me are Alluring Voice getting boosted even if the target hasn't raised their stats and Order Up getting boosted without a Tatsugiri in the user's mouth. Before getting patched out, Jet Punch also got boosted by Sheer Force despite having no additional effect. To me, this says one of two things about how the Ability functions. Either there's a specific Sheer Force flag that the Ability checks for before doing anything, or what I think is more likely, it checks to see if something counts as a secondary effect and then ignores it. Basically what I'm proposing is that Jet Punch early in development had a secondary effect like dropping the Defense stat, they got rid of it by having the chance of that happening be 0%, Sheer Force checks to see if there's a secondary effect, which there would be despite the 0% chance, and then does normal Sheer Force things. It would explain why it affects items and other Abilities. Such things are likely coded as secondary effects

[@MattBudYT]

@@grunkleg.2934 I tested those too out of curiosity and thought it was cool they got the boost. I think Psychic Noise might also get the boost. I wonder if Jet Punch had a secondary. It is already a busted enough move. Maybe it had something and it was changed to be a priority move instead?

[@grunkleg.2934]

​@@MattBudYT​​​Psychic Noise's effect gets blocked by Covert Cloak and Shield Dust, so without even checking on Bulbapedia, I can say it gets boosted by Sheer Force. Same with Salt Cure. Fling on the other hand is not boosted despite being blocked by Shield Dust, but I think that comes down to an order of operations

[@je19493]

Another weird interaction: palafin's jet punch USED to be boosted by sheer force and keep its priority, but this was patched out. Have no clue how this mistake happened or how on earth game freak noticed

[@SakhotGamer]

boosted by removing what secondary effect exactly???

[@je19493]

​@@SakhotGamerBy removing absolutely nothing. Was such a clear bug to include jet punch in the list of moves that are boosted by the ability

[@saiyanfreak]

Another ability that is just about as complicated is Parental Bond. In some ways, it might be even more complex. I’d love for you to make a video on that ability.

[@LuDogg805]

Golispod's Emergency Exit will not activate if HP is lost by: Curse, Pain Split, Struggle, Belly Drum, Substitute, and Sheer Force (which you covered).

[@mettatonex7221]

I think someone should do a video on Wimp Out and Emergency Exit at some point. You may think these abilities simple, but the way they interact with other moves and abilities can be pretty weird. For instance, did you know that if the use of U-Turn or Volt Switch causes Golisopod to switch out, the Pokemon that used the pivot move will not switch out themselves?

[@SteveScapesYT]

The Japanese name 力づく is more like “do by force” or “force it” I think it’s no surprise based on the description that every Pokemon besides the weird Mega Camerupt that has this ability has ATK > SpATK despite most abusing it for special moves.

[@KayzIdeas]

1:10 American Flag 3:11 Bald Eagle 3:45 Tonald Drump 5:30 Boe Jiden 7:17 I, uh, don't know what to call that but it's there. Happy 4th of July! I've never actually played around with Sheer Force before, but I'm definitely gonna play around with it now.

[@MattBudYT]

@@KayzIdeas good job finding 5! Happy 4th of July. Sheer Force is a really fun ability, one of my favourites to use. Thanks for watching!

[@Andreecals]

That was actually very interesting, I actually didn't know about these weird interactions... It made think though, that a really interesting topic would be moves that benefit from abilities that require ability changing shenanigans to work like that. Like the sparkling aria combo you mentioned, but there are numerous examples, like the signature cutting moves that could be boosted from sharpness... I think ability changing to check interactions is one of the most interesting things in the game

[@MajinReptile.UltraMajin]

That part where you go "yeah" and a image of Steve-o popped up caught me off guard 😂

[@SplodgeOfChippy]

2:02 Doesn't kleavor have sheer force?

[@MattBudYT]

@@SplodgeOfChippy it does😂 completely forgot about that since I’ve only used sharpness

[@bulborb8756]

it does, but it doesn't run it much because sharpness is great to boost both x-scissor and stone axe to make them stronger

[@matthewdodd1262]

I get the idea that moves or items that get effected by Sheet Force are really simple to classify once you start to really undersrand Sheer Force. The trend is that everymove or item that are effected are ones with effects that occur in response to a pokemons move, and only take effect in those circumstances.

[@dooom123]

1:54 Kleavor has sheer force bruh

[@ceumadorgas9407]

Mold Breaker is another complicated one, maybe worth a video

[@techknight3753]

Things get even more complicated in gen 9, did you know Palafin's Jet Punch is boosted by sheer force? Not only that, but the priority nor the "punching" property are removed, it just boosts it with no negative.

[@theking8347]

That was patched out.

[@jonathanbernhard5418]

How does it work with Struggle? Does it count as a regular recoil move?

[@JTripp999]

Congrats on 10k!!!

[@MattBudYT]

@@JTripp999 thanks bud!

[@The_Juggla]

Trick room curse Rampardos with Sheer Force, Life Orb, and Rock slide. What is a resist?

[@Hammerbruder99]

Thanks a lot for this video, I didn't know about the interactions with other abilities and items. I know that this knowledge will come in handy one day because I partake in draft leagues. Bypassing Berserk is absolutely awesome, as Moltres-Galar can become quite dangerous very quickly. Or imagine that I have a Sheer Force mon like Mawile and the opponent has got a Tinkaton; then I can safely click Knock Off without having to fear that Tinkaton comes in and steals my Life Orb with Pickpocket. ^^

[@PokemonFan-bk6vc]

Off topic, but love the Feraligatr in the thumbnail!

[@ten7554]

Everything in the game is complicated, it's just that this Ability has had absolutely zero UI or readability on-screen in the games

[@skillhunter4804]

Some of these may not be true, because showdown testers still have to take a lot of interactions on cartridge into account In the first week after samurott-h was introduced, it was setting spikes on showdown even if it got KOd by rocky helmet, something that shouldn't happen I'm particularly doubtful about its interaction with sheer force, it doesn't come up in any OM afaik

[@alathreon8315]

Note that since you are working with very specific details, you should test it on console, since the behavior might be different.

[@hershy1594]

I did not need that jumpscare at 3:50

[@Lambs4lyf]

the last 4 seconds lmfao 😭😭

[@samuelcastillo5246]

Okay, thanks for this video, I wanted this information for years

[@brandonhiatt2546]

For sheer force users i have to go eith my boi feraligator with Liquidation, Crunch, Ice beam/blizzard and dragon dance/focus blast.

[@hej100]

I wonder if pokemon showdown correctly handles these weird edge cases if compared to the official pokemon games.

[@MattBudYT]

@@hej100 it’s very accurate, there may be a super small mechanic they have wrong every now and then (they had the item metronome programmed wrong for a while) but they seem like they test even the weirdest of mechanics and implement them the same as the games.

[@GamingGuyTy429]

Congratulations on 10k! I think subbed when you had just over 1k and I was blown away by your content. As a VGC Poketuber, a lot of the information you share helps me out in my battles / videos tremendously! Keep up the great work! Just a matter of time before you reach 100k, as this is easily one of the best Pokémon channels on youtube. Video idea: Top 10 (Non-legendary) abilities video? I'd absolutely love that! Happy 4th of July to all who celebrate! 🎉❤

[@MattBudYT]

@@GamingGuyTy429 appreciate the comment and wish you the best in your youtube journey as well❤️ It means a lot that people get use from my videos. I’ll add that idea to the list and see if I can make a good one sometime! Happy 4th!

[@Melvonathan]

Rampardos with rock polish.

[@tordlindgren2123]

Did not know about the life orb thing

[@pancakes2455]

"both ingame" *shows 5 games that dont have that ability*

[@mjdxp5688]

If you want some more confusing mechanics, check out Future Sight's Bulbapedia article.

[@danielj5136]

Hey does eiscue's ice face work when hit by a sheer force physical move?

[@EvMatt-i8w]

Learned so much thank you for this

[@DarkTrainerGas]

I been battling all my life and learned a shit load today lol

[@nathanieljones8043]

life orb is a bug it only works if you use a move already effected by sheer force

[@NathanYouTubeGaming]

Matt you are an amazing KZbinr and are you doing anything for the 4th?

[@MattBudYT]

@@NathanKZbinGaming I celebrated Canada day on the 1st since I’m Canadian. But I live close to the states so there’s usually fireworks going off to enjoy where I’m from!

[@NathanYouTubeGaming]

Sorry, I didn't know you were Canadian, but i've been to walmart in Canada and there is some good candy :)

[@goGothitaLOL]

Who else but Nidoking Cool ass design, cool ass hidden ability, and a cool ass movepool What’s not to love besides maybe its 85 Spe

[@camoveteran2219]

How does sheer force work with Fling? Will a toxic orb still poison?

[@oucyan]

I think High critical hit chance should work with sheer force. how is an increased crit chance not a secondary effect?

[@iatedhamster]

Mattblud what is your favorite species of rodent ?

[@MattBudYT]

I like the Bidoof/Zigzagoon lines

[@danielsmith5032]

I think Nintendo needs to get their act together and fix the coding for this buggy, inconsistent ability.

[@maxhadanidea]

0:03 "in-game" shows the generation before sheer force was introduced

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

Metapod for president

[@MattBudYT]

@@elcalabozodelandroide2 🫡

[@Eddie_Enfer]

I think Moldbreaker is a little bit complicated as well 🚬

[@SashkoR_r]

The best poketuber❤❤

[@Eddie_Enfer]

Tbh I think Matt is rather underrated, but is nice he's growing

[@Someone-alive997]

1 THOUSANDTH LIKE I FEEL SO POWERFUL

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

Frick, I forgot today's America Day (I was busy watching the UEFA EURO 2024).

[@nathanblank1742]

Hey guys did you know that

[@LilskeevsGaming]

Kleavor has Sheer Force. Also this video was weirdly political.

[@MattBudYT]

@@LilskeevsGaming 0:24 added some ‘murica memes/refernces for the 4th of July since most of my viewers are American. I’m Canadian anyways so I enjoy laughing at their politics (ours aren’t much better I know).