The MOST GAMEBREAKING Combo in The Battle Cats...

[@DiceyMuch]

Alternative title: Sleep deprived man rants about how much a 52 frame a difference makes for 36 minutes and 20 seconds

[@tmmaster6904]

think about how long a battle lasts though, half a second of difference is a lot when you're shaving off half a second 2000 times

[@CannedJuiceYT]

The funniest part of BC nowadays is when a new hard stages comes out, people get stuck on it, and then the answer all along was to just run biobone (sometimes with minisaurus) and then spam low CD units with like maybe Bahamut or a broken backliner for support. Wow, isn't strategizing in the modern era just so fun and challenging!

[@LucasIVYT]

I've had my fair share of "okay strategizing isn't working, but what about triple research rock courier?" and then it works

[@Oscar-mj8fq]

@@LucasIVYT2024 meta

[@PeaLabs]

@@LucasIVYT Japan's laws on video games make them very weird to balance. Like in the US, the biggest governmental thing surrounding video games is the ESRB rating system and child gambling. Their laws make gacha games from Japan less balanced, a good amount of it should be rethought.

[@Ttwatt]

​@@LucasIVYT what you think of the cap'n had+ Moby Dick+ back to school all share normal and crazed whale

[@wlatislov]

Bad boys(L) 🗿

[@Pudding404]

I still can't believe we sacrificed old fortuna for 0.87 sec reduced cooldown. This is tragic.

[@dabludino2831]

Lmao

[@CompactSuperfeline]

They used research combo on o fortuna

[@Timtams72]

The tripe bun bun when I spawn rock research:

[@penguinclub2008]

@@Timtams72 Baby boom:

[@Doomfriend2brother]

Golden: ​@@penguinclub2008

[@BenjaminBroom-n4r]

I call it professor stone

[@jovindsouza3407]

Biobone+minisaurus is the very embodiment of "balancing what's that??" It's unbelievable that it exists but I have to admit it's very funny.

[@tomacmar]

nah, cheating heart + kimono champs

[@booh5453]

​@@tomacmar bad guys cheating heart

[@tomacmar]

@@booh5453 if you wanna nuke enemies with lasvoss, i don't have lasvoss so i use the other 3 slot large research up combo

[@theomegameep6570]

that shit knocks biobone and minisaurus out of the park

[@encrypted2558]

​@@booh5453poopie dookie

[@birrock4]

I think the Boulder into roadblock joke could've been that a fallen boulder can obstruct roads and passageways(?

[@LucasIVYT]

something like that!

[@coolguymcfly]

@@LucasIVYTmaybe it could’ve been associating the first two letters in road and last two letters in block to make rock lmao

[@amankolli]

@@coolguymcfly i thought rock and block

[@fabiandarkness2090]

35:20 can confirm, had Vigler for like 6 months now and haven't spawned him even once. Goated unit tho

[@iandean1112]

He's useful against relics for me, but the np wasn't cheap

[@tmmaster6904]

my level 6 vigler is one of my go to units fr

[@tmmaster6904]

I've honestly thought about investing in him to make him usable since I'm going to be bringing him anyways for ages, but I've just never gotten around to it because I perpetually have other units to invest in

[@user-gy2ix2dg6f]

@@tmmaster6904he’s an incredibly strong choice in relic and zombie stages and benefits a lot from being leveled because of his “strong against” ability. Definitely worth investing in especially if you’re using him anyways

[@XskullDrSkull]

Sanzo detected

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Outclassed by Manic Titan Cat

[@Ozdestro]

sanzo outclasses this comment

[@Snearek]

I loved when Sanzo said "It's sanzoin time" and started to Sanzo all over the place

[@h1people._____.]

It’s that one person who makes battle cat videos!

[@nogginthepoggin]

This comment is outclassed by sanzo

[@literallyaloafofbread]

Cheating Heart + Bad Guys go brr

[@ClaireTheSaltyHypocrite2309]

i’ve tried using those combined but it really doesn’t seem to be much better than bad guys

[@_TripleAAA_]

@@ClaireTheSaltyHypocrite2309Bad guys is about the same time same as the triple small combo (2.63s for BG vs 2.61s). Adding Cheating heart saves an extra 1.73 seconds and is about a 67% increase to both so yeah it’s not crazy. Especially since many medium cooldown meat shields already hit minimum/close to minimum cooldown

[@0broop0]

​@@ClaireTheSaltyHypocrite2309stuff like ramen hits 2s anyway, but heavy assault cat goes crazy

[@Akif-ln4vp]

The fact that courier is not just a really broken anti behemoth and anti red. It also have one of the best worker up combo in the game

[@noobysanwich]

kunio

[@Akif-ln4vp]

@@noobysanwich they give the same effect but courier combo have him and a great anti Zombie in it. And also kunio can only be obtained through an event

[@BenjaminBroom-n4r]

With what

[@scheeep7376]

I love watching these video where you ramble on about strategizing, but it also makes me realize just how terrible Razorback is in terms of Battle Cats enemy design. Someone once described him as a "lock-and-key" enemy, and that is a perfect descriptor of him. If he's in a stage, you must bring a specific unit (Bombercat) that absolutely trivializes hi, or die - that is practically the antithesis of strategizing. I suppose Metal enemies and Behemoths also have a similar issue, but it's most evident with Razorback. I'm surprised that you listed Cameraman's slow speed as one of her weaknesses, since it's also one of her strengths. You've probably covered it in a previous video - her slow speed allows for easier stacking, and also makes her preferable for stages such as Kappy Jr. or Crazed Moneko. In fact, her stackable power is so ridiculously strong that she and Paris shred early SoL to pieces - the other day, I was making BCU stages in the style of early SoL (more specifically, I wanted to replace Neverending Cat Story and Castle of Fish), but Paris and Cameraman were so powerful that I had to overtune the enemy magnifications to the degree where the strategy boiled down to mindless meatshield + camera or paris spam. Just out of curiosity, what would you consider as a "superboss" in Battle Cats? The Advent bosses? The Tower bosses? (my gosh i went completely off-topic)

[@LucasIVYT]

usually event bosses or story bosses

[@ghost-qm2lj]

Yeah razorback is lock super basic lock and key, why did they think lock and key works well in a STRATEGY game??? Doesn’t help that bombercat is really hard to get

[@scheeep7376]

@@ghost-qm2lj ah right you were the one who used "lock and key" to describe razorback, and it couldn't be more accurate - people also hate Super Metal Hippoe and Sir Metal Seal for the same reason (though to lesser extent since there are more crit hit units), and Behemoths (though chances are one is probably going to bring Courier regardless of whether there are Behemoths or not) - it's also why Colossus Slayer and Behemoth Slayer (not sure about Sage Slayer) are stupid and bad for the game's health (Witch Killer and EVA Killer are excused because collab funny) on another note, whilst looking on mygamatoto (Spica has issues presumably because of UBlock) for my previously mentioned BCU thing, i realized that it's not just SoL 11~12 which are copy-paste subchapters - SoL 11~15 (Neverending Cat Story ~ Parthenon) are all just carbon copy stages of previous subchapters but buffed (exception with the three enemy debut stages, Labyrinth of Hades is cool), that's five subchapters of copy-paste filler - wow early SoL is boring af until Low Tide Beach

[@ghost-qm2lj]

@@scheeep7376 Yeah, metals and behemoths are unfun because they limit strategy. Metals force you to use crit units and you instantly lose if you went into a stage unprepared and SMH/SMS shows up. Some of them are also just way too annoying like metal doge and wild doge. I agree with you, a good chunk of early SoL are just remake stages, but even worse than the early UL remakes because there was such a limit amount of enemies. Labyrinth of Hades is a good stage because bun bun black and kory synergize well, although Octo kind of killed it. I really hated playing early SoL since it was so boring. Also, spica works fine for me and i use ublock. What issues are you having with spica?

[@theomegameep6570]

i think superbosses are bosses like luza, Mecha bun, relic bun, and meta filibuster. as well as the final boss for each respective story mode section (eoc, itf, cotc, and aku realms) and uril for both towers.

[@OwOMoment]

this video really made me think about how if it wasn't a flat decrease but percentage instead, it kills off many things like boulder, ramen, etc (although to be honest the effect will prob still be noticeable) which can be good or bad depending on who you ask, however imagine the % based research on units like abaha/idi, how it could've been on stages like infernal 50 idi chain and such, or cybepunk making cyber stacking slightly more bearable, it probably isnt as powerful even for uber players, however to be honest, I think i would've enjoyed the percentage combos more, just smth to think about

[@astablemultivibbrator8538]

You answered your own question. Percent-based reduction is too strong for long cooldown units, but barely significant for short cooldown units.

[@OwOMoment]

@@astablemultivibbrator8538 it was never meant to be or phrased as a question, just a simple thought (as the last 4 words of the original comment said)

[@fbhnied]

Man, i don't even play this game. Suddenly YT recommended videos about this game and now I'm kinda bingewatching any videos got recommended, including this one.

[@Muvie-z4g]

that "for the gays joke" was peak

[@GentleShivers]

agreed, i had to rewind to hear it again

[@Mr.ChaosPollensAllAround]

@@Muvie-z4g Timestamp?

[@clobzz]

the crazy thing is the units that are present in minisaurus…a meatshield of which is 2s cooldown normally but being present in a research combo means if you use it, its just a cheaper mohawk, and then the best critical hitter in the game, which especially if you have cost down on him, you can just spam tf out of him

[@ky7501]

Even if research became %-based, that would open up new strategies for stacking higher cooldown units. If you had a 20% cooldown reduction, that would turn a 2 minute cooldown Uber into a 1 minute 36 second cooldown Uber (-24 s). Even for small units, a 3 s cd would become 2.4 s cd, not as broken but still very helpful

[@TheStrangestLad]

great video to watch while popping off because i finally beat UL after 3 years of playing

[@TheDuckyDino]

29:06 the fact that they didn’t even use Lasvoss’ research combo is the cherry on top.

[@penguinclub2008]

The power of minisaurus+biobone makes rock even more broken and spammable than he already is…

[@UniversalPlanetGaming]

24:20 i heard some Souptasta in there

[@AddiTheGrea]

oh no I hear it

[@unlegendaryduc]

I can't unhear it now lol

[@quanthanhduong997]

6:23 i love -10% chance to crit

[@BenjaminBroom-n4r]

1 in ten chance for the meat shield to kill you

[@shau_20]

I love stock images, great vid btw :)

[@AhidepociereMartynov]

29:06 I know exactly who that is lmaoooo At least you had the courtesy to censor the name.

[@The_honored-guy]

who is it pls I must know

[@Clemente-0]

"Lasvoss spam" is wild lol

[@BenjaminBroom-n4r]

Something you neglected to mention was shitakis tf having a 1 unit small research combo meaning that you could bring kimono champs or bad guys shitaki and have room for another combo or unit to make another combo like basic cat (with bad guys) or menekei

[@SpoopyChicken]

I love wotching a 36 minute video essay on a topic that I already know everything about!

[@dabludino2831]

Nothing is more as OP as Cheating Hearts? + Kimono Champs/Bad Guys

[@kubo7553]

That's like 4 seconds reduction

[@KoishiKomeijji]

​@@kubo7553 its may be small but its really helpful

[@Tem07]

What is funny to me, is that I feel Bellydancer is strong enough *without* research combo that I don't use it with her unless she is my only meatshield. She can definitely work as a solo meatshield depending on the stage.

[@Tankozilla13]

24:07 thats why a canned Juice considers rock the best unit in the game

[@augusto659]

Remember when you said "imagine if you Double tap one treasure you go direct to the stage" 2 years after hes here

[@CupapiTG]

Nice video. Can you imagine if research combos were percentage based? I wonder what % the Sm combo would have to be to be useful? Maybe 15 to 20%. The M might be 25 to 30%, The L should be 35 to 40%. Seems pretty hard to really balance, though. Anyway though, as you said, the fact that it's a flat increase shines some very needed light towards the low-cooldown units, especially meatshields.

[@BenjaminBroom-n4r]

Imagine being able to spam bahamut💀

[@darioselvi8872]

spamming dasli would be insane

[@daniiii888]

Now just imagine if research combos were percent based and you could lower the cooldown of an Uber by like 50% 👁️👁️ (suddenly nekolugas are S tier)

[@abfs5470]

honestly I don't think that would be enough to make the average luga good lmao

[@LucasIVYT]

nekolugas turning from 5 years to spawn to finally having a iron legion tier cooldown

[@TaseenAlim]

First you made the dasli video, then the bahamut video and now this. I am loving these videos! Which topic would you make a video like this on next?

[@superkonijn988]

Yeah rock really pushed research combo over the edge. I think all in all research combos themselves are really powerful especially when combined with specialized MS but are only as game breaking as the units themselves allow them to be because the units that benefit the most from research combos are almost always spammable units that were considered great units anyway. Its baffling a unit like rock cat was allowed to exist in a world where Ponos should have known just how powerful research combos are (and i figure they know due the limited distribution of this kind of combo), it having a base 4.8 CD already makes it quite powerful to bring in a generalist line up since the ability to guarantee stall (unless your name is starred UL) is just THAT powerful, let alone the other applications Stone cat has like chip, attack baiting, rusher etc. If rock came out with smnt like 8 sec CD it would still be regarded as one of the best units since its niche is not replicable by almost any unit. A unit like Doron who shares this backswing stalling presistance is considered a huge deal for the unit and i often find myself bringing doron just for that alone and this isa minute long CD unit!. At the very least rock cat is a really versatile and fun unit to play with even if its as overpowered as it is and i think this is one of the reasons people don't complain much about research rock in the first place as opposed to smnt like Courier which has the stigma of Behemoth's and being too accesible where it breaks stages when gotten in the early/mid game. Edit: Also i have to add that while it seems like a waste, adding beyond research L for research rock is actually still a benefit. Most notably this allows it to much more consistantly stall socrates and hypothetically would allow a no gacha clear without cheese if No gacha players had access to research L + S which is insane to think about.

[@XZANEOUS]

I still like the "bad guys" combo being a 3-slot L research combo just needing lasvoss lil nyandam and killer cat. ABSOLUTELY BROKEN

[@CoffeeHype7356]

There's also something that isn't really relevant to research combos but I wanted to mention it because I have used it a lot, what I like to call "BetterBone" which is Kai, Vigler, and Riceball. Same effect as biobone with a 10% defense combo. Peak ubercarry but it's really good.

[@oilflanker]

I have a full slot saved for triple research now it’s also convenient for crowned sol since I just find half the amount of units for lineup building

[@Brightplays]

22:23Can can does what ever can can can because it can

[@Bananaadchannel]

2:41 Thank god its not called bony hazard

[@icemast2390]

Base catasaurus crit chance is 7% (with talents is 12%) We love the comment section and the tendency to call out minor mistakes

[@Pufferfish_Pond]

25:37 "aside from that (zombie enemies) boulder cat basically perfectly stalls everything" Cybear who literally oneshots rock: am I a joke to you?

[@romagusar6133]

Oh yes enemy with 999,999 attack that you encounter only a dozen times is able to one shot a rock

[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

Does the word "basically" mean nothing to you

[@quipo2029]

I prefer the Cheating Heart and Bad Guys combo or as I call it Cheating Guys

[@cherylleang2954]

this is basically canned juice rock video part 2

[@crhis_cream]

17:54 actually didnt think i was watching for this long until you said it 💀

[@n2spagooter692]

Bad Guys/Land-Air Assault is my personal ubercombo banger

[@Globfeesh]

Ponos showed early signs of crack addiction much longer ago.

[@Livestreamnio]

I did not know what the reasearch combo did until i watched this video ty for the explanation very cool ❤

[@laurentiuslancaster1657]

With PONOS recently releasing some good Cat Combis lately I'm more in line in trying to get those Ubers rather than Fest units

[@Traltz]

vigler mentioned perfect video

[@Whitehole5615]

biobone mini saurus is amazing, as a battle cats youtuber this is in so many of my tutorials you made me think on how and when to use them

[@boxcart4533]

Research increases both your defence and your offence at the same time more than defence and offence combos… perfectly balanced

[@yosoyt6765]

man i didnt knew vigler was that good i just had him bc he was a wave ¨nuker¨ and his stun

[@nogginthepoggin]

I love research combos Because i can just make enemy suffer trying to hit rock cat over and over and over and over

[@anotherjason]

Verger owners know the true limits of how far research combos can go

[@baidman3148]

very infomitive thx lucas

[@Totallyrealroddhoward]

Who needs research combos when you can have cat god and baby boom

[@snowybeefrblx8748]

This feels like the spiffing brit but for battle cats

[@evanderyorrel3549]

I love spamming my dasli's with broken catcombos

[@clash_king1025]

Research combos is the reason I started seedtracking for Ubers LMAO

[@OATHOFVIRTUE]

if you ever see me spawn vigler, just know i'm cooked and have nothing else to spawn

[@GuardianOfTheFloodedFortress]

So research combos are kind of like a jack of all trades kind of thing

[@blazie42069]

biobone, vigler combo, and the asiluga combo are all pretty busted

[@osrakhlil8863]

you HAVE to see the treasure in battle cats

[@omniretheforgotten1676]

I got vigler super early and never lnew what he was for. It was untill i looked him up on yt that i found out that "holy hell i got so lucky". Plus he dose have uses mainly first and second form for flying and alien freezes as a extra cc. He just a cool dude to have.

[@yeamelol]

I did not realize it was 36 minutes long , but I'm not complaining

[@Akif-ln4vp]

My ramen after getting bio bones combo : an impenetrable fortress of ramen

[@craberadicator9446]

Cant wait for the 2 unit L res combo next year so we can double L res combo.

[@LudovicoPetroleumScallywagVII]

Moral of the story: more cats in the gate game is good

[@Rleasure0XD]

Im always strapped with vigler+riceball

[@Xynbra]

I have the ubers necessary to do the L + M research combo and it is very funny to spam my way though alot of levels, even using some relatively low recharge ubers like Balrog even though it doesn't make that much of a difference but it does feel like it makes a difference for them

[@Bander_gaming]

I can't believe he didn't mention kuu when talking about long cooldown units (maybe he found a better waifu)

[@offlinenoobieytand482other3]

Mr and the zombie cat research combo might be M or L in disguise as Sm

[@NorhanAlborihi]

‏‪22:24‬‏ the cancanest speech

[@TheCatfishCrusader]

That map jumpscare got me 💀

[@nicholasali3566]

God, it feels even better to have Cheating Heart

[@eddy796]

Im surprised you never brought up Shitaki Sparrow in this video for his stupidly nice combo. As a unit he’s pretty bad, though against St. Doberman and Aku Gory he does really well, but such a low slot combo for angel and even aku stages is crazy nice.

[@charred9861]

me getting the forbidden research xxl with cheating heart + bad guys

[@EnoshimaGuertena]

I’ve been playing this game for like 6 years or so? Research combos has its place but I frequently use bio-bone even when it’s clear there isn’t much reason to, or it’s worsening my lineup. In my recent experiences, Modern cat feels unusable without research combo. Angel dober having surge feels like an attempted counter to ramen + research but ramen still does the job (usually?). This video just goes into detail on why I naturally bring research instead of just using ability UP combos.

[@zemufinman1639]

Thank you for reminding me to TF diablosa

[@Brightplays]

Honestly imagine if research combo was percentage instead of flat.

[@Brightplays]

We love research

[@Green-ii8nr]

If the research combo was percentage based then it would benefit those with higher cooldowns

[@robot2022-sl3tg]

I love learning stuff

[@Quinimunn]

TROPICAL CRUST IN ROCK SEGMENT LETS GOO

[@CuriousNeon]

Kon kon kitsune~!

[@axeloctavio5787]

Literally beat all of 4 star sol with either triple research combo and spam courier and ramen, if that didnt work spam cyborg and haniwa, about at the halfway i got vigler and it went downhill from there

[@b0mberr330]

10:20 wasn't attack combo 10/15/20% per level?

[@astablemultivibbrator8538]

It is

[@Sporketto]

no way lucas video rel

[@charleycheng8043]

How would you feel if research combos were percentage based? I personally think it would be a lot more balanced and fun since a 20-30% reduction on big units sounds really interesting, especially when cycling rushers. I also think the fixed reduction has been really bad recently with the introduction of cone+tf uril

[@Krawdy]

Lets go, we get another 40 minutes of yapping

[@grassvfx]

Also having half of your lineup dedicated for combos slaves isn't always an issue cause M-L research combos eats up your money if you spam. If you don't have the money to use your units, the units don't exist(?) 🤷‍♂️

[@LEOG31]

Yeah, since i started using vigler's combo i can't live without research, it feels like meatshields or spamable units have really long cooldowns (mainly sanzo for some reason) and btw, i think vigler can be a pretty good cc (just tf) 100% to freeze zombies and relics with talents is pretty good, but i have to say he falls off once doron is unlocked because against zombies is not that good match up

[@treestand7994]

It costs an epic seed for the m att up combo with uber

[@EnoshimaGuertena]

You know UL 3 star is bad when the right amount of peons could somehow kill rock cat

[@supernova3241]

20:07 RANGED MEATSHIELD THEORY!!!!

[@domedheh]

Lucas posted after 50 years!!!!

[@romagusar6133]

Proposition: make a video about gamatoto, ototo corps and canon mechanics

[@Nightmare_52]

my go to top row if i dont need more than 5 cats for a stage is bad guys + rich cat and kunio start the game with more money and at cash lvl 4 + large research bonus

[@Kurotae]

We lost O Fortuna….. for research combo

[@Myfin_owkw]

Still its a sacrifice am willing to make

[@misterhappy444]

Yiik mentioned

[@LucasIVYT]

me playing omori