The Most Hated Player In Smash Bros History

Today I cover and give my opinion on Hungrybox, widely seen as the most hated Smash Bros player of all time while also reacting to the video there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox. Enjoy the extra context and stories!
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[@r4ryder388]

I used to love Hungry box but then, I saw him in a supermarket. I approached him and told him how much I respect him and how he is my favourite smash player. Then we hugged, and it felt nice. But then he up throw rested me and killed me instantly.

[@j_sona]

LOL

[@notdxfurno]

Lmfao

[@lazyachilles4431]

Jimathy Nutron: hbox is a bad guy

[@drmegasteve4335]

I hate when people sleep on you

[@kimikimkimkimkimkim8125]

RIP dude

[@jukesdtj656]

"I very much recommend you watch the original" Me, who has watched it 3 times: Eh what the hell, I'll do it again.

[@gigaphoton376]

"I am 3 parallel universes ahead of you."

[@frenquencie]

Same dude, I watched the whole thing twice.

[@shalinchada5940]

frenquencie I also watched it twice

[@frenquencie]

Shalin Chada lmao the second time I watched it was because I wanted to see the sickness thing, but I just got so interested that I went back to the beginning to watch it all again.

[@dad4436]

You guys should also watch hbox and emplemon watching in when they discuss some more stuff and also armada watching it where he corrects some things in the video

[@travischewed]

I actually got to meet Hungrybox at a tournament, the feeling was surreal. I asked him if he was down for a match, and he just glared at me. I shouldn't even have asked him in the first place, he obviously had places to go. But then he spoke to me. "The game has already ended." I was confused, but then he jumped up into the air and then landed on me, rolling himself into a ball then proceeding to drill-rest me, sending me flying outside the venue. Such a great dude, love that guy.

[@FluffyDragon-cm8bz]

Lucky

[@devin5201]

''He plays a lame character'' is the most baby thing to criticize someone for.

[@cmdrfokker]

The Smash Bros community is mostly childlike in mindset at best, and the sad thing is that it permeates all levels of play as well as all AGES of players. There are people who are AGGRESSIVE in establishing that they do not play competitively and insult those who do, as though competitive players are somehow not only playing the game wrong, but that anyone who aspires to more than casual play is also part of a "problem" of some sort. I remember seeing people driven off of forums because they brought up more competitive concepts during a discussion of Smash Bros, and forum regulars trampled over eachother to dogpile on them and insult them. And like the racist trash many of these people also tended to mock and insult, they played it off as "it was just jokes bro, don't take it personally bro." I was never good enough to get anywhere competitively at Smash Bros, but one day I got the same treatment from people I thought were good friends. I decided then and there I simply didn't have it in me to keep pushing my skills forward and putting up with that level of bullshit from a "community", and stepped away from the game permanently. This is why I will always, always have respect for players like ZeRo and HBox, because they had the mental fortitude to weather a storm driven by people who would mostly crumble under that same pressure, and succeed where the vast majority of us would or have failed.

[@Random-io6iz]

id like to see them try to land a good rest combo its really hard hbox is a god

[@caleb8129]

people don’t dislike him because of puff. they dislike him because he’s apparently a dick irl

[@caleb8129]

it was never about the character with ppl like leffen armanda and mango

[@rusteddiamond7835]

caleb It is for hungrybox though for some god forsaken reason

[@josephmother3720]

I was actually a bit teared up when Hbox said “Do you know hard I work out here?” That voice, he got emotional and yet he held it back, it was such an intense feeling

[@crazysavages5935]

Or when he won the tournament and said that his dad said he will be good but not the best before he died

[@richardgibney1393]

I usually dislike these posts that state the obvious and say something that they felt however this post actually was pretty accurate of how most of us feel

[@jimathynutron2362]

Hbox is a bad person

[@dmgilla9134]

@@jimathynutron2362 dumb

[@Jytami]

@Jimathy Nutron if this was not a joke, you are an awful person

[@sebastiangutierrez7094]

This is random but I love when hbox's videos censor his curses. "WHAT THE puff"

[@MaybeMintz]

Yes

[@_SodaZ]

This is the content i subbed for

[@josephf.2126]

Esam does it too but with Pikachu sound effects

[@samtipa2834]

Ikr

[@sp3ctre5ive8]

He is respectful and understands that his audience is mostly younger people

[@MATTierial]

The thing I love most about HBOX, besides his hustle, is that his mom is on Twitter hyping him up after each of his tweets. Whether hes just posting a meme, or venting frustration, she's there for him. She even ended up in that Campbell's Soup ad with him. As someone who was raised by a loving single mother, that hits me right in the momma's boy feels. My mom is really great, best person I know personally, But HBOX might have the GOAT of mothers supporting him! He's had a rough life, but at least he had a mom that believed in him. It's so fucking wholesome!

[@Aymungoos]

*Campbells chunky soup*

[@nathenkrohn9889]

Same I love my mom just thinking about how much she did for me and same for HBOX mom

[@bord5581]

have u heard of smash 4

[@glonk7434]

MATTierial Ye same

[@countspyra9884]

I never had a mom, she died when I was one but I do have a step mom and shes so nice! Always there for me and not screaming like my dad when I do something wrong! Shes so awesome! I love the parents who are so supportive over tweets! It just warms my heart

[@felwinterslie8223]

Now there's a lot more of them to choose from

[@jellie2631]

LMAO

[@miscellaneousmedia3753]

there are so many ironic titles in this guy's collection of KZbin uploads

[@harleyoyelade9988]

@Just Some Guy With A Long Hairstyle Sucks

[@sareaper69]

@@miscellaneousmedia3753 it's unfortunate. Admittedly, no huge mistakes were made. Just flirted with his temptations.

[@untouchable7024]

@@Thomasjjhonek yeah but he wasn't a big punlic figure when he did that stuff he was 19 lol

[@acE-kc1ee]

I really like Hbox. I met him at CEO and he was really chill. We were talking after one of his sets and he proceed to down air rest me in the middle of the crowd and everyone cheered for him.

[@Andy-th6qs]

Wait did he down air rest you in the game, or in real life

[@Vanino99]

@@Andy-th6qs The answer is probably yes

[@cromm123]

@@Andy-th6qs Exactly

[@fupalover]

Not a true combo.

[@christophsorg]

Similar thing happened to me, he pounded me hard

[@MegaMikersGames]

I remember first meeting HBox at momocon and he was just the most down to earth guy. Always been a fan of his.

[@mariahmackey6157]

@@sheeeesh9745 yo you serious

[@wednesday9347]

Mariah Mackey I’m pretty sure it’s sarcasm. A stretch of what actually happened

[@kanehanson7183]

@@wednesday9347 No he is serious I can tell

[@kanehanson7183]

@@wednesday9347 he did it to me to

[@-snek.]

One time I saw Juan in a Wal-Mart sprinting down the rice aisle with a shopping cart making the rollout sound with his mouth and he actually vaporized a stack of Uncle Ben's on impact. He paid for the damage, apologized profusely and owned up to his mistake of using rollout in neutral. Really an all-around humble guy.

[@miguelestacio2983]

“Ironic.” - Palpatine

[@justsomegirlwithoutamustach]

Thanks Palpatine, we were thinking the same, unfortunately

[@HellHoundTSO]

"He could save others from hate but not himself."

[@mirkodrago2392]

I was waiting for the prequel meme

[@samuelherrera7462]

@@mirkodrago2392 karma

[@mirkodrago2392]

@@samuelherrera7462 Prequel memes are a pathway to many abilities some consider... Unnatural.

[@hypercube3495]

Hungry box isn't the most hated anymore....

[@icelion9629]

hard times

[@Julv_]

Now it's CaptainZack

[@minocosmapiraino3121]

😭

[@user-xs4sm8ev6t]

Everyone is hated!

[@yourerightdawg]

Yeah,Nairo or Keitaro.

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

It's alright to dislike a character, and even hate on a character. I personally have characters I do not like to play/play against. The thing you shouldn't do is dislike a PLAYER because you don't like the character they're playing.

[@rodrigofaraldo4932]

Fuck yasuo

[@kepris_5184]

bruh pac man makes my brain hurty but he funny as heelll when my friends play as him

[@jpupper428]

i mean, f#ck sm4sh bayonetta

[@SpudRusset]

Except king k rule players

[@GEM4sta]

Why? That's absolutely 100% fine.

[@germanazurin1501]

This is why I respect Hbox. He works so hard on everything and trains to be the best. Plus his Twitch streams are so good now and I like him for that

[@jimathynutron2362]

There are much better streams, and hbox sucks as a person

[@niht3405]

Jimathy Nutron opinions are opinions, but your is dodo

[@jimathynutron2362]

@@niht3405 thanks for stating obvious facts that literally anyone could've said, and then acting like a 3 year old. And your opinion is very bad might I add

[@botdog370]

Jimathy Nutron you should join his stream, he’s very nice plays with viewers and has good music taste. i don’t see how anyone can find him to be a bad person, unless you know him personally ofc

[@nonachyourbusiness1164]

@@jimathynutron2362 Try more please

[@reap3506]

What you said between 20:20 and 20:54 really hits diferent now ZeRo. I really hope you’re ok, please take care

[@setsers1]

Agreed...

[@redead8513]

Now he is back

[@donaldphoenixsilver2706]

So basically the main reason ppl hate him is because he uses Jigglypuff, a very light character that instantly gets KOed when the shield breaks and he still wins

[@jce1417]

Puff never has to shield, can kill any character off one conversion/button, can camp you out till the end of time and had a 100% safe lagless aerial that’s infinitely spammable. At least tell the the whole story kid.

[@neighbsCS]

You get rested more than once in a set and lose while being up and tell me that's a fair character that spams 6 jumps and can crouch under most attacks that aren't down Tilt. Hbox is lame as fuck and his behavior in public is why we love roasting his candy ass. If he would stop showing up, we would stop hating him.

[@rusteddiamond7835]

neighbs Hate the fricking character not the player Hbox plays too win not too play ‘sick’

[@neighbsCS]

I hate both

[@rusteddiamond7835]

neighbs Sorry misread the reply but I don’t think it would be at that level if hate

[@matthewharris2594]

"We're not gonna put two hour long reaction videos on this channel" Why you have to do Armada like that?

[@DBoy00]

rofl

[@quillu6379]

Lol I just watched armada’s video

[@jeffreykim1703]

Armadas video was mean and trash. He just came off as pretentious and kept criticizing hbox and the doc

[@7ic7ac]

@@jeffreykim1703 I didn't feel like Armada's video was either mean or trash. He was right to correct some imprecisions in the documentary that were even unfairly misrepresenting his own career - especially when this doc has over a million views and has the power to set the narrative. He never really criticized or even talked much about Hbox as a person. He's allowed to have his own opinions on whether a character changes the meta for the worse. Hbox himself regularly does the very same thing with ultimate Sonic, and that's ok.

[@SokoPrince]

Woops57 except I feel the point of the video was to discuss Hungrybox more than Melee, a critical analysis of the accuracy of the video is fine, but I wanted more insight from Adam about his perspective of Juan if he had any, and I left that video feeling unsatisfied because of it.

[@julianfan5794]

ZeRo: painted as bad guy Also ZeRo: has evil laugh For real, he’s a nice guy With an evil laugh, a great dynamic

[@eggdogtim8593]

I feel like back in the smash 4 days he kinda had a ego but he is a really fun guy now feels like he's being his true self now

[@hido...]

When the villain's past and story is revealed.

[@ProdBy.JayLo3]

Julian Fan god gave him a herd time for character development

[@nitro1743]

Dr. Heinz Doofenzmirtz

[@hoodclassicsofcalifornia]

I kinda hate Zero because he lit an unnecessary torch on fire, people hating Sonic. Smash community: doing whatever Zero: makes a video on why people hate Sonic Smash community: people hate sonic?... WE HATE SONIC! FUCK SONIC!

[@cimtenyato]

20:38 hits different now

[@willreynolds7630]

Shit you right

[@slippybeats377]

I want zero back mab

[@bentai_4676]

This just shows that the past will always just be the past, and the fact that he admitted that he fucked up and decided to change himself for the better makes me excited for the day that he returns.

[@carterbugg]

Oh how the tables have turned

[@miguelmontilla7088]

Almost everyone hates Hbox in melee, Ahhhhh but in ultimate... *Hungrybox Chants Intensifies*

[@AchedSphinx]

if jigglypuff ever becomes medium-high tier in ultimate, oh boy.

[@dull.4320]

Zero my friend, you're wise beyond your years. I truly believe you're a good person, and I respect how you're always so kind and understanding to all people. It's really hard not to feel discouraged and angry at how cruel and uncaring people in the world can be, but ultimately I understand you can't fight fire with fire. I just want to say thank you for being you. You're a constant reminder to me that there are good people in the world.

[@doodleshroom9101]

dull. This is an amazing comment and I’m subbing thank you for brightening my day!😀

[@tyallen3115]

@dull. this is amazing and i really do just wish the community could try to be better

[@4CrazyMexicans]

Step one is wanting to understand the other side, most people never make it that far.

[@Calgax]

well said, you also seem great :)))

[@wukongson5290]

Such a wholesome and true comment.

[@timeless1882]

13:58 this right here reminded me of when people were making fun of a child for being happy that he won a pokemon tournament. I was so pissed off at these people for saying the kid is "unprofessional" and "rude" to the other kid, even though the two are friends and I would do the same if I won a game tournament. People putting down others achievements just because they dont like them just makes me pissed off. There is another instance of this, such as Tyler1 hitting challenger while playing jungle only and people putting him down because they either dont like him or they just didn't want him to succeed. The dude grinded to get where he is and I respect him for backing up his bark with a bite.

[@Gio-kg4gb]

i love your eizouken pic

[@silvanatteveld6637]

One word: jealousy

[@IsaSaien]

I mean, tyler1 was a toxic asshole... I think people just didnt want to see him succeed because of the harm he and other toxic streamers did to the league community, not because he isnt actually good. I think tyler1 and a few other people in the league community are the complete opposite of zero and hungrybox. Tyler1 legitimately deserved to be banned, but because he is good at the game, people just gave his awful behavior a pass. Now, with that said, he has grown into a respectable icon of the community, and he legit reformed. But if he hadnt, if he had kept being a toxic asshole ruining games because he dislikes a player for whatever reason and whatnot, people would still defend him because he is good. He and many others did irreversible harm to the community. Zero and hbox were hated for arbitrary reasons. They didnt actually deserve it. Tyler1 deserves all the hate he got, even if he wouldnt deserve it now. There were also a few cases of popular streamers doing elo boosting or other toxic behavior and they never reformed. Some had to be banned permanently, and the community still defended them because "le troll is funny" or simply because of their high skill. Hbox and ZeRo pushed smash beyond its limits and moved it forward, and they were hated because they were gods amongst mere humans. Tyler1 and a few other infamous streamers pushed league back and very heavily harmed its community by making awful behavior and mentality common. Some streamers even had blacklists of people you had to troll if you came across in ranked. The backlash in this case is completely justified. And while im glad tyler1 earned a spot in the league community once he reformed and actually brought positivity and inspiration, many other streamers like him never did, and had to be banned instead. A little ranty perhaps, but tyler1's story is not at all similar to hbox's or zero's

[@wolfdragox5563]

9:06 - 9:47 THANK YOU, it’s so annoying for me to always hear how “bad” Brawl was when in reality it was a different game made for a clearly different audience, I understand why pros (specially Melee players) didn’t liked the game but I feel many people are mislead into believe that just bc it wasn’t competitive viable it was a terrible game, which is far from true.

[@argenisjrg]

Brawl is very fun. I've never seen it as a "lower" Smash game, and it has an awesome soundtrack selection.

[@Tangrowth_Fan]

@@argenisjrg I love you

[@StickMaster500]

If we’re talking about the most hated player or even the most hateful player, then I think that spot goes to LowTierGod as he’s just generally a toxic and horrible person in and out of Smash and other fighting games as all you need to do to is watch a video or stream of his to find out what kind of person he is

[@FakestLoogi]

Thanks for the explanation sniper

[@seblat1086]

StickMaster500 While I do agree with you that LowTierGod is a terrible person, he wasn’t ever as widely hated on online and in person as hbox

[@JayAreAitch]

he's hardly a player though. Hbox is actually relevant.

[@jimihendrix9318]

I think TheScore made an overlook on their list.

[@aIkaIi]

I feel like LTG is more of a meme though. Not as serious as Hbox.

[@SIMIFU]

The whole Pop-off argument is so dumb when you realize everyone and anyone can also pop-off.

[@toastbread2263]

Off topic ,but I like your profile picture 👀

[@ewngzedward6182]

I can understand if someone thinks his popoffs are cringy. But hating him for them is just crazy.

[@KemicalKiddMUSIC]

i popped off when i read this comment. Are you mad?

[@gothtearz]

Their logic is that you shouldn't pop off if you're playing lame. Thats dumb logic

[@itscoolthough419]

eWNGZ Edward for things like these is how you realize trying to understand the hate is pointless.

[@leofont6026]

I've always felt bad for hbox b/c I was actually first introduced to him through a documentary on him and I heard about his childhood and how rough it was. It only seemed to make things worse when he gets all this hate for just camping in a video game.

[@joshswatman7298]

I suddenly dont think hes the most hated now

[@ethbeast395]

Yeah, but people like zero and nairo really messed up, hbox is still the most hated player of all time, he has had tons of hate over the years, including death threats

[@sku7842]

I’m thinking there a long list of people who could fight for that crown lol 😂

[@gioasencio4946]

sadly

[@Christmasmoose714]

Woah really?

[@erronn.]

hahahaah crtlC ctrlV

[@bebopknux5857]

You know what's even more crazy? Back when Zero was in the scene he was treated as a bad guy. But the moment he comes to play some games everyone's acting like they've been best pals with him and he's never made them mad. It's crazy and also disgusting how quick we humans change. Sure i assume most of the subs here are the loyal fans but, imagine a world where Zero was still the best and he had his KZbin channel. Hate comments seeping away at him as he does the grind with the people who do care for him being snuffed out by the loud minority. Speaking of which... Can i say i hate how our world works with the minority the *Negative* Minority being so loud? You could barley do any wrong and someone is out to diss and harass you for just existing. It legit sickens me that as humans bad news sells. If we are not entertained by what's on screen whatever effort and skill the other player is doing is casted aside. It's just sad and tbh it won't ever die.

[@richrdz815]

Humans suck, I agree

[@KurisuSora]

Human bad, I agree

[@yogiya146]

Humans

[@flyingsheep9677]

Yea let's just get rid of humans, simple

[@ketchup4979]

*corona*: I’ll just pop right in

[@xoticanimations794]

Who else saw the title and thought “... But I like hungrybox-“

[@NewCrimson100]

I agree.

[@seanjung8578]

Me

[@speokeosai]

@Angga Antonio I'm assuming the typo is done on purpose correct? If so its good satire.

[@jackbuildersmasher6346]

Right here

[@cadencam1850]

Definitely me.

[@skylarea]

Choose your fighter! “Not the most hated anymore” or “this didn’t age well”

[@erronn.]

this didnt age well alt 69

[@stevenmcburney8167]

Not the most hated anymore Alt 420

[@erronn.]

@@stevenmcburney8167 nice a losing match up

[@wolfdragox5563]

“Not the most hated anymore” still stands correct, the other one, not so much

[@yesandno1106]

I absolutely adore this channel. As fun as the gaming side of the Zero channel is, it’s really nice for Zero to open up about himself or other people that are important in his life. Just shows you that he’s human too, not a figure talking and laughing over a game.

[@Boogieboy138]

When I was first finding out about the smash competitive scene, I could never understand the hate for Hbox. I always tried to learn and understand why. Eventually, I just came to terms that people are just idiots.

[@rekt_yer_nan_darding_5788]

Maybe you should just watch a full tournament of just him, it's mind numbing.

[@rayminishi689]

Its the playstyle they hate. Camping and overusing a kit that offers early kills and super safe spacing.

[@Hakokoro]

A big reason for the hate is basically leffen. Leffen is one of the players they worship and he absolutely hates Hungrybkz.

[@liamsmith8518]

@@rekt_yer_nan_darding_5788 well I don't think smash Bros tournaments were always these big public events, so it didn't really matter how you played, and I think even know it still doesn't matter, they are televising it out of choice, so if you don't like it, just don't watch it instead of being rude.

[@rekt_yer_nan_darding_5788]

@Angga Antonio I'm not asking you to throw a crab or anything. Just to understand the other perspective. People dislike puff more than hbox as a person. Even Mang0 got alot of "hate" for playing puff.

[@arnekim1922]

m2k's reddit post about the zero-hate was so sweet, didn't know m2k was so caring, love that guy even more now

[@kingvik2135]

Suddenly HBox isn’t the most hated, not even in the top 5...

[@akamarux75]

And now Hbox its taking ZeRo spot on KZbin lol

[@VeryYesGood]

@Saru oh damn, didnt hear about that

[@havardmj]

Who are top 5? I know about Nairo, Keitaro and Zero, but not the others

[@akamarux75]

@@havardmj Nairo its not hated anymore since his last statement. Idk about a top 5 but the most hated currently its Cpt Zack.

[@havardmj]

@@akamarux75 Ohh I didn't know about his last statement. Thanks for that. Yeah Zack deserves no.1 for sure

[@greymon1665]

I come here to rewatch a video and all I see in the comments are “hbox isn’t the most hated anymore...” and “this hasn’t aged well” 🤦‍♀️

[@JungleOfMeat]

I still can't stand him most. I dunno how he's so shit at ultimate considering he only plays 1 character, he's been playing every day since launch, is already a smash pro and has been playing since melee. Then he complains when he loses on melee despite barely playing it.

[@wolfdragox5563]

The first one is true tho, he isn’t the most hated anymore, new true villains showed up, but Zero was not one of them.

[@1800mexicano]

ZeRo:* *Puts hand up* * Camera Focus: *Aight, I'mma head out.*

[@Rzorclw]

Hbox seems to be a pretty nice guy, I had heard of the drama going around with him and decided to find out what all the fuss was about by visiting his channel and seeing how he reacts to losses and stuff like that. Well here's what I think. Hbox isn't that bad! He's very energetic and honestly really fun to watch. I don't blame him for being angry since obviously there's a ton of pressure to perform well when thousands of people are watching. I've never met him personally but from my perspective he seems very grateful for his fanbase and just overall a very happy and caring person. I genuinely don't understand why people hate on successful people just because they aren't "cool" or don't play a "sick" character. It's so dumb to me. That's just like saying that just because I like Star Wars, I'm garbage and a mean person, even of you haven't met me. If you don't like me, don't talk to me. If you don't like Hbox, don't hate on him for no reason. State your opinion respectfully, please.

[@BladeeLover1]

Honestly Hbox is an amazing person

[@jalene150]

I met him a few times throughout the years. He’s actually a genuine person. The documentary really caused some drama back in the day

[@fabulous7ssbu]

I couldn’t agree with this more

[@jakemarqzros2166]

A lot of people disliked him because he kinda cheated in Evo 2017 here is a link: dotesports.com/fgc/news/hungrybox-evo-coaching-contoversy-15916 But i still really do like watching hbox

[@dull.4320]

@@jakemarqzros2166 That was an honest mistake due to poor TOing, and people just used that as a reason to justify their irrational hate for hungrybox. It comes down to people not liking jigglypuff, and assuming that hungrybox is a bad person because he plays a specific character in a videogame.

[@CartierLuva]

how ironic

[@Star-ux4ql]

LunarX64 you still did comment it.

[@leon46295]

Man it made me so happy to see hbox win Evo after years of coming so close. Hes earned his place and deserves to reap the rewards now

[@christiant.-sg7719]

HBox is probably one of the hardest working and fighting players in Smash. I think some people need to respect what Hungrybox has done and not take things too far.

[@weason3000]

And earning a chemical engineering degree while staying as a top 5 melee player. Heck most people can't even pass an introductory college chemistry class..

[@REvoLverj98]

I'm not one to choose favourites, but if I was asked who the greatest god is in melee, I would easily say Hbox. Not just in skill either, but in character. The fact that he was basically demonized by almost the entirety of the smash competitive fanbase, and managed to not only succeed but get better and better shows he really should be given a lot more respect than he gets. I wouldn't want to even begin to know how it feels to be hated by the majority of a passion project or dream job you have.

[@adamquenano8563]

People should appreciate Hbox. He’s uplifted the game when others kick him down.

[@sp3ctre5ive8]

Yeah I might not like Hbox but I do have MAD respect for him to keep going to tournaments hosted by a community that CLEARLY hates him solely because of the Character he plays.

[@JpxfrdBruh]

Yeah I agree. he's really a great guy

[@kwelts]

@@sp3ctre5ive8 what bothers me about this comment is that the first thing you felt you needed to mention is that you don't like him.

[@n1njahawk]

Jpxfrd Bruh1738 same here

[@Michael-cg5qn]

Not really

[@thedrewdog]

"My, how the turntables..."

[@Fhdurhr2]

20:40 dam after everything that’s happened since this video came out this hits different

[@brando_ssb7577]

This was low-key the most wholesome zero video we've ever gotten. It's important to realize that no matter how famous, people are still people and we all make mistakes

[@YojimboJames]

NOOOOOO YOU CAN’T PLAY JIGGLYPUFF!! YOU HAVE TO PLAY A SICK CHARACTER WHO PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH!! haha puffball go snooze

[@TheRedVirus]

XD

[@tcoren1]

James Slomian haha balloon go to sleep

[@AileenandDeven]

You remind me so much of my brother man its crazy, countless hours of hard work and very understanding and accepting. love your videos man ✊🏽

[@aidanillg6617]

I like how if uploaded 20:20 now it would look like he was defending himself

[@imloadinq8536]

damn

[@flariz4824]

@Brendan Lewis Why?

[@GJunioTube]

If at first he had apologized instead of denying it, maybe people would believe in a change. I hope he tries to be a better person.

[@betorockmetal]

@Brendan Lewis because he said nasty things on an online chat conversation? dude anyone can be creepy on the Internet, but as long as you don't hurt anyone, i don't see why he should be so hated and punished and canceled ofr it, plus that fucking conversations took place 5 years ago and it wasn't a fucking crime.

[@burst0th]

Zero is a better man now. People who hate him are just idiots

[@marklake4411]

I see why nintendo doesn't support the competitive side now

[@Hundderx]

Good tbh.

[@ghost245353]

Do you know the Byleth reveal? The community is toxic and ungrateful

[@benniep.6023]

*Byleth Reveal be like:*

[@jonathanfreeman5398]

I honestly cant wait for more casual tournaments to happen, since people actual have fun and it is not as serious. The community is a lot less toxic and is able to enjoy the game they bought.

[@thejokerjokes7638]

ghost245353 it isn’t that much ungrateful when banjo and sans came out it was hype then joker came out of no where byleth got hate due to the fact it was another fire emblem character imo I don’t like the franchise but I do enjoy the character

[@dr.ominousalien560]

Hbox needs more love. He’s doing soo well in life, his stream and KZbin channel are growing rapidly and he got a degree in engineering. that’s actually godlike

[@jimathynutron2362]

Hbox deserves more hate

[@aknthegreat8721]

@@jimathynutron2362 u deserve less privilege

[@erockgoblue6295]

Just please go spread negativity somewhere else you are pissing everyone off and it’s getting on our nerves have some respect

[@jimathynutron2362]

@@aknthegreat8721 Less privilege than what? What are you referring to here? I don't see what you're trying to say, try getting less unintelligent and try writing again after that

[@jimathynutron2362]

@@erockgoblue6295 I won't respect hbox for being a bad person

[@ron3440]

HBox: Best player in Meele, suddenly hated. ZeRo: Best player in Sm4sh, suddenly hated. MKLeo:oh no.

[@erronn.]

Bet 5 bucks if joker never was in smash samsora will be better

[@ron3440]

Oh yeah, i mean hed still have His past mains. But yeah

[@erronn.]

@@ron3440 its my opinion

[@ron3440]

@@erronn. yes.

[@Benji_Jokjo]

@@erronn. it’s mkleos neutral that makes him the best

[@alexlugo7479]

Imagine hating someone for playing a character

[@willlauzon3744]

My bro insists on using nes and Zelda (no shiek). So I can see the point. But results matter. I trounce him and hungry box would trounce me

[@feyernightblade2050]

Thank you so much for using your platform to raise awareness of the amount of toxicity in this community which somehow goes unnoticed by people in the community itself because they are blindly contributing to that toxicity themselves.

[@york8757]

Hungry Box is amazing and deserves all the love and support, like stated we shouldn't judge someone for how they play but who they are

[@no_0riginality937]

Damn straight

[@raghavpatel720]

Gamingboi 7235 I don’t hate mega man

[@GuardianAngelEatos]

Absolutely agree!

[@sSynclare]

i hope zero rewatches this and listens to 20:06 to the end because you were right when u made this video and ur still right today. even you can still grow as a person today and can come back from this. just because someone makes a big mistake doesnt mean they can't learn from it.

[@scottboyd4872]

Yeah but zero is never coming back to online

[@giz1006]

on his Instagram he said he will upload a Sora reaction and he posted pyra/mythra clips and said that it wil be uploaded

[@NoPudieronConGuevara]

@@scottboyd4872 AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[@NoPudieronConGuevara]

@@scottboyd4872 AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[@codexboomer3288]

@@scottboyd4872 lmao

[@x.a.n.a.9397]

Looks like Hungry Box just Jumped to the top of the tier list dude to some Major Nerfs on people’s real life gross habits

[@felwinterslie8223]

Real life gross habits. Just wait until you find out about zero's

[@thedukeconiosantiago9180]

@@felwinterslie8223 eh pretty sure that was years ago

[@ascarmen42]

@@thedukeconiosantiago9180 Yeah, it was 6 years ago. Meaning zero was 19 (I think) when it happened. But people don’t want to accept that people can change.

[@mariavaldivia2490]

@@ascarmen42 actually it was very recent

[@ascarmen42]

@@mariavaldivia2490 No, it wasn’t. The incident occurred 6 years ago.

[@artfulcord]

When i saw the five gods picture everyone looks so epic and then there’s jut M2k sitting there confused as to what’s going on

[@Sunfade38]

That m2Charm.

[@gmailfaby]

“I truly believe that the only way for people to grow and become better is by allowing them to do so” -Zero You are truly inspirational zero

[@r1l426]

WhAt aM I FiGhtiNG fOOoOoooOOor?! -Zero

[@F1rsttimer]

Hbox is the reason I started watching Smash videos. I don't even play the game but I like the personalities and gameplay. It's basically pro wrestling but with Nintendo characters.

[@kiarashforooharpak3332]

same here bro

[@yourbodyis75waterandimthir44]

9:52 This aged extremely poorly. Even worse than rotten milk, holy sh**

[@Meleeman69]

BIG OH NO

[@laserbeamlightning]

Met Hungrybox in person and while his attitude in the past may have been a bit less mature, he really has become the Captain America of the Smash community. A great rep but as all first places go is hated as a symbol

[@shadowofthenight2492]

His attitude in the past was only because the community hated on him

[@JohnDoe-cp5fh]

Shadow Of the night exactly, the melee scene made him a villain and eventually embraced it

[@germanazurin1501]

Sometimes I don't like how the community treats players. They are people just like you too. RESPECT!!!! R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!!

[@silentknightx5055]

Watch Esam's video.

[@jimathynutron2362]

Why would you treat hbox with respect?

[@erockgoblue6295]

Because we are tolerant of other people

[@aslakfjeldvr1563]

"RESPECT!" in the voice of the guy from the movie Parasite haha. R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

[@jimathynutron2362]

Hbox doesn't deserve respect. The only thing he deserves is hate

[@Husky9802]

10:42 Hugs from Jigglypuff herself

[@chiri7199]

So Hbox is from Argentina?!?!

[@triffen7174]

This video really opened my mind to how discriminating against players for playing "lame" and "toxic" isn't at all a good thing. I have so much more respect and a lot less hate for players like H-box and Sonix after watching this video and although I still have no respect for their characters and they way they play, I don't think associating that hate with the players is ok.

[@snuggie1849]

Hate the character, not the player. Though i still think yoshi and especially sonic are degenerate

[@princiedv]

@@snuggie1849 Yeah, like I'm not gonna watch or root for Sonix or Wrath but I don't have to go out of my way to hate on them.

[@oliveryule1036]

To be honest this happens mostly in smash now days especially in melee

[@leinswaisbrick]

Imagine needing a youtuber to tell you that being a dick unrionically in a videogame is wrong

[@jimathynutron2362]

Hbox is a bad person and people shouldn't play lame

[@mae_lia]

6:01 tfw when you get banned from a melee discord server solely for maining puff

[@ThatGuyThomas]

wow

[@mae_lia]

@Angga Antonio wait what

[@starkiller7603]

I’m sorry that happened and I respect you as a person but please reconsider your life decisions

[@elicary26]

@@starkiller7603 what?

[@bangbangboom4742]

@@starkiller7603 ?

[@Tallybby]

i have wise words once said by a wise man "is only game why you haff to be mad?"~ ilya bryzgalov

[@camokazi1313]

🤣

[@okplay9446]

Ninja is typing...

[@dariuswhite9957]

Zero thank you for the daily uploads you've really been a help to bring me up during the day. Back when I had cancer treatments and were going through a lot of low points in my life your videos really brought up the mood. Also I wish Hbox didn't get so much hate, he seems like a really nice guy

[@lyonchen2024]

I actually love these Series, Zero's like a smash Encyclopedia and I'm able to catch up what I missed out on the past generations!

[@strikeforce1500]

Agree, I totally know near nothing about the Smash community's story

[@darblink3376]

💗

[@RoxlyReborn]

When I played melee back when I was really young with my other 3 friends on a couch I used to have so much fun and being introduced to the smash community entertainment side of things made me really excited just to watch. I watch these human robots do things I never even thought possible like for god sakes I was a Mario main back when melee came out and I thought he was the best character, back then we never knew any tech like wavedashing let alone jigglypuffs rest, so the first time I saw hungrybox play was mindboggling. He made my mind explode, here I am thinking "wow look at this idiot play jigglypuff, doesn't he know there are so many better characters?", then he does a rest combo so insanely fast that I didn't even know what happened. He has become my favourite person to watch since first watching him and I didn't even know people hated on him I just assumed everyone else was in awe as I was. In my opinion jigglypuff is sick and the person who plays him is even sicker.

[@brockc4233]

I saw the documentary on him and said wow cool

[@bach1500]

I agree 100%

[@drewlincoln2143]

Oh yeah

[@AndreasSaag]

Your statement is invalid because you don’t even know Jigglypuff is a she not a he.

[@jimathynutron2362]

Jiggpuff is boring and bad and hbox suck

[@cadenoverstreet5710]

This aged really poorly

[@lettuce01]

How so?

[@pufftv6099]

@@lettuce01 do you still not know

[@lettuce01]

@@pufftv6099 i do. i saw his reply to the accusation on twitter, and i actually think he handled the situation very maturely. for all the stuff i've seen in the past 3 months alone about famous people i know being called out for sexual assault, none of them handled it as well as hbox, and i respect him for that. He told people to hold him accountable and he wanted to make up for the situation in addition to apologizing. And no, i'm not saying i will excuse him for what he did, but i don't think what he did is worth being cancelled or made infamous, especially considering his response.

[@PBStriker101]

@@lettuce01 as someone who have read them, i assume that you know that this comes from years ago am i right?

[@lettuce01]

@@PBStriker101 no, actually, this has nothing to do with "a few years ago". The situation in question was very recent when i made my comment 4 months ago, which is why i was able to quickly find information about it (his apology was the first thing i saw on his twitter at the time). If this had anything to do with drama from years ago, then the comment would not be "this aged really poorly", as it has only been out for about half a year now, and it couldnt have "aged" if the drama already happened. Unless you are talking about the situation itsself. I know that the accusation against hbox was about things that happened in the years past, but the accusation itsself was relevant.

[@craftyplayz8150]

This video was just put on my recommended, brings back good memories

[@phanta8880]

I feel bad for HBox. He’s probably one of my favorite Pro Smash Players and idk why.

[@justzay4473]

HBOX and Zero are ironically my favorite players

[@migscrunch3448]

Isaiah Williams I agree but also with the funny ones like alpharad little z and choctopus

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic9017]

Same

[@Pogitoed]

captin crunch Well, they arent rlly pro smash players, I like them too tho ; the way home

[@NightxKilla]

Smashers: Git Gud xD HBox: Bet Smashers: *Surprised Pikachu Face*

[@HugeInsect]

STFU zoomer

[@felwinterslie8223]

Ok boomer

[@elCrack-cy5rs]

@@HugeInsect Hbox is the best my man

[@beticoandhisevildoge1055]

Uhh anyways did you know Hungrybox sings? There we go hate is no more.

[@knightofthenorth926]

I absolutely love watching puff, there's just something that makes fights 100x more intense when either character can die at 60

[@thegamegrumpsletsplayofmaj5727]

HungryBox: *plays differently to the other top Melee players* Smash Bros Community: “So you have chosen death”

[@xxmegagallade47]

It’s not that he plays different it’s that he camps in a game where every other character is known for being extremely offensive.

[@Code_EJ]

if you put a comma after “chosen” this comment will make more sense not hating just trying to improve a good comment

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

@@Code_EJ no? like, its because they chose to die. thats the joke.

[@Code_EJ]

@hhh hhh I feel that it would be more dramatic

[@Code_EJ]

but I see your point

[@TheLegendofCalista]

I really value your take on things and the fact that you’re using your platform to give people the opportunity to see difference perspectives. It’s really awesome.

[@FF18Cloud]

Damn, it sounds like he targeted Armada with that, "I'm not gonna make a 2 hour reaction video" line, cuz he did

[@FabioPradiante]

This is one of my favorite videos you’ve posted. It really showed who you are as a person. Thanks dude, for being humble and kind.

[@matchamixing]

Speaking of competitive Smash, I think ZeRo should bring back his Elite Smash coaching videos :)

[@madmoxxi7397]

Love zero but his coaching videos were convoluted and poorly executed

[@TheStickCollector]

I feel like I need them

[@benitolopez1028]

Yeah, Zero hasn’t made a regular video just playing in ages. /:

[@vince0f331]

Benito Lopez I’m glad those vids were boring

[@mlmooose8206]

Connor Boyd no

[@Kami10]

20:06 - 20:53 for those people rewatching this.

[@gorz2424]

thanks

[@MrBond-xs3cr]

Oh geez :(

[@vex_3455]

ZeRo He was the ZeRo ZeRo He ran the show Now ZeRo Is truly a zero

[@Victor-um9ce]

You haven't seen his response, have you?

[@themilkman7058]

@@Victor-um9ce what was it? I haven't seen it yet

[@ChaiPancakes]

@@themilkman7058 neither have i

[@vira3376]

Our zero admitted to it all and now we will most likely never hear from him ever again.

[@nerdock4747]

@@Victor-um9ce You mean lying about and denying it, then admitting it was true later?

[@Raziel_HHL]

In the words of Dark Souls messages: "Time for crab"

[@trevors4912]

Hungrybox gave me a free sandwich coupon from Jersey Mikes... so he’s a’ok in my book.

[@WarmSumol]

This hasn’t aged well

[@gorz2424]

How are you doing Zero? I hope you are feeling better. You should say something. I wish you could come back but I know you probably can't. Good luck on whatever you're doing. bye

[@azophi]

"The most hated figure in all of Smash Bros" Byleth, Bayonetta, Wobbling, Meta Knight: *allow us to introduce ourselves*

[@gj4312]

Byleth?

[@sebastianwilliams1539]

@@gj4312 His existence was enough cause for hatred

[@yellowbot.league]

Cool, but like, the title say player, not character or mechanic.

[@Anna-gd8sp]

Why not include Corrin? I still see hate for Corrin

[@endershel8163]

Back of buddy you are talking about my main. And I love that byleth is in smash y'all just hate Fe characters

[@ZDY66666]

I love how the camera always auto focuses on his hand but not his face. What's it trying to tell us? Zero is master hand and crazy hand conspiracy confirmed?

[@monoko1234]

Zero Hand for Smash 6?

[@jrobinson4801]

20:39 hits hard

[@bloodhoundtfcgmail]

My man zero...your 13 year old prodigy vs samsora popped up in my feed a few days ago and as a fan of smash since the n64 days I watched it...I now follow you and love watching these videos bro...keep up the great work!

[@Doge-ox6ci]

Hungrybox may be the most hated smash player but the most hated FGC has to be LowTierGod. The man has so much of an ego he cannot take a loss in any way and the only combo he knows and is probably best at is main menu --> close application

[@SmokeyAmp]

LTG is pretty inconsequential, he's never placed in a major and isn't really part of the competitive scene. The real villain in the FGC is probably F Champ.

[@astro_1707]

Atleast LTG can do frame perfect rage quits

[@georgeliquor1236]

At least LTG is entertaining...

[@daemon7013]

True. I pity that poor son of a bitch... at this point though rather than hate.

[@wintersummer1633]

LTG is pure comedy. i really dont get why people dislike him so much. all he does is rage. he doesn't put hands on anyone so to me it's all fun and games.

[@Nevanator2005]

I actually want to share my own personal experience with being hated in competitive gaming. Not for Smash, but for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tournaments in Las Vegas.. The more I watch videos about controversial players within Smash Bros, the more I start to relate their experience to my own, just on a much smaller scale. I still don't understand part of why the community hated me though. A point mentioned in this video is that a lot of players hate Hbox because he plays a hated character. But in Mario Kart, all characters do the same thing, apart from having different stats, so there's is no way they hated me just because of the character I played. You also mentioned some hate Hbox got for popping off, and I can also relate to this. In one tourney, after I won the first race, I believe what I did, because it was close, was I got up, had I quick little fist pump, and a "yes", and sat back down. Later, someone in their discord mentioned that he was visiting friends in Florida and he showed them that tournament. When I popped off, they asked if I had just one, and he replied, "No, that was just the first race," to which his friends said, "Oh wow, he seems like a real douche." But that's not the case because there's absolutely nothing wrong with popping off, especially after a close match. He also said his wife couldn't stop laughing because she thought it was true. I should also add, they're the parents of one of the younger competitors at the tourneys. So here you have the parents of one of the competitors, calling a 13 year old a douche, because he popped off. Wow. You also mention in this video that pressure kills passion, and I definitely agree with this. The way I was treated by them and the amount of hate that I got definitely played into me eventually quitting those tournaments. On their discord, they always try to shift the blame to me, in pretty much every way. At one point they even asked me to apologize for my actions, even though I hardly ever did anything. I feel like they definitely know what they did, which is why they asked of that, because they didn't want blame on them, so they try to make me take the blame. What they did to me as a player is absolutely ridiculous and I fear they'll do it again to another player that's even better than me. I'm a very optimistic person, I'm not depressed or anything, and there's nothing going on in my personal life that keeps me down. But what if a player goes to those tournaments who's the opposite of me. What if they are depressed, and what if they're being abused in their personal life. They might see those tournaments as an escape, as hope that things can get better, and then the community would do the same thing to that player as they did to me. That could drive their mental state down, and worst case scenario, they would commit suicide. I made a whole video about this and put it on my channel, and I put it in their discord in hopes I could drive it into their heads that what they did to me was wrong. Within just about 4 hours of me putting it in their discord, it got 18 dislikes, which tells me they really didn't learn anything, they're unwilling to accept that it's them and not me, and that they're toxic on a whole other level. One of the players in the discord, one who wasn't there when I competed and didn't know the background of my story, immediately commented on that video "Shut up, nerd." This is absolutely toxic of them, and they don't know it. It makes me worried for young competitors in the future who will go there.

[@eyeccantseeyouu]

Oh damn man thats unfortunate

[@rryumi]

As a very active Mario Kart Wii player who has played a bit of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with my friend, I can absolutely relate to your pop-off after the race. The intensity in packs can become ridiculously insane and especially at lap3 when you are in the middle of the pack a shock can change anything.

[@BertMagurt]

TLDR: people will always find a reason to hate you.

[@Recklesteen]

Yo dude, get back in those tournaments & those discords and dunk on those parents and their kids. Guess what? It's okay to be selfish and do things because you want to and because you have goals and things you wish to achieve. Link me the vid/clip when you eventually win your first Tourny!

[@Guitarman5200]

You have to go back and kick their asses one last time. Show them who's boss.

[@chandlerjohnson8908]

The message Zero displays here is amazing! I especially appreciated how he said nobody deserves to be hated for celebrating their greatest achievements. I haven't won any local tournaments or anything, but i've won several friend group sized tournaments and used to play at tournaments frequently. It was always so upsetting to see people hate on someone achieving something great. Many say "it's lonely at the top", but does it have to be?

[@soliderfromtf2]

Melee fans are like metal elitist. They only respect the subgenres they like and trash every other subgenres. Its like deathcore or slam elitist. They put their favorite subgenre on a pedestal and if anyone says anything bad about that genre they attack them.

[@omare8169]

Guys I think that zero is actually amazingly smart and I think that that this video is not just about smash it is a video that is actually for us as people to take into ourselves and Kinda be more empathetic. Also Zero if you see this comment keep up the amazing content for all of us during these hard times and I love you perspective on things and again never give up and keep up the hard work.

[@BananaSlayer_]

0:51 missed opportunity to say “not to mention I’m friends with Juan (hbox btw). I can use his first name because we’re tight like that”

[@scrub8781]

*because we're cool like that

[@fanoy7684]

69th like

[@OG_Yaki]

Scrub I haven’t seen your pfp in such a long time 😔

[@scrub8781]

@@OG_Yaki u saw me b4?

[@BananaSlayer_]

Fixed it, kinda just vaguely remembered the original off the top of my head. Should be more accurate now

[@davids1358]

I hope this video could make zero comeback to his channel like he said at the end of the video "Just because you made a mistake in the past doesn't means that your life is over" -ZeRo

[@xxdestroyerxxal]

well this is extremely ironic now isn't it

[@deftestaphid2026]

No because only near sighted idiots who where homeschooled hate zero.

[@nah4467]

I thought the most hated player was this guy named "John." Hell even Reggie called him out on his Expo video.

[@uetzel]

N/A H No Johns!

[@FRIONIELASTRALIS]

Stop.

[@michaeljohnson905]

How about having six hated players?