The Most Underrated Scene in The Lord of the Rings

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Master Samwise

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@itsorcacraft9037
@itsorcacraft9037 8 ай бұрын
I wish more people were like Jackson. Actually caring about what the creator of the story wanted and valued
@JSFal
@JSFal 8 ай бұрын
Its so sad that that being the core idea behind an adaptation no longer seems to be a consideration at all. Its why adaptations are mostly terrible today.
@itsorcacraft9037
@itsorcacraft9037 8 ай бұрын
@@JSFal I recently read the Hobbit. I knew it was a bad adaptation but I had no idea how much stupid filler there actually was
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
We honestly didn't deserver the Jackson films. Flawed? Yes, absolutely. But I can't imagine any other filmmaker would have surpassed them.
@JSFal
@JSFal 8 ай бұрын
Jackson's Lord of the Rings feel like the best that could be done in the situation, which was really fantastic, like Samwise, they are still my favorite movies. The Hobbit was a money grab by producers that dragged a bunch of names into to try and make sure it made some money.
@RedundantDan
@RedundantDan 8 ай бұрын
​@@JSFal100%. After learning about what went on in the production of The Hobbit, I'm convinced that the only reason the trilogy is even remotely palatable is Jackson's sheer determination.
@envee1014
@envee1014 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate how you clearly explained Tolkien’s Christian/Catholic faith as the underlying theme of his works (and Jackson’s films). The message that we are not responsible to win at life, but instead to simply try with what we have been handed, is both humbling and empowering. In addition to that, it encourages us to consider that things like hope and good are not subjective opinions but instead actual absolute values outside of our control.
@southernlady5085
@southernlady5085 8 ай бұрын
Well said!
@ianbuchan8548
@ianbuchan8548 2 ай бұрын
I hope I meet you one day. You deserve a crisp high five.
@ethenallen1388
@ethenallen1388 8 ай бұрын
I feel that Peter Jackson was doing more than honoring Professor's Tolkien's work when he made the Lord of the Rings movies, he was trusting it. He may have gotten the letter wrong in many places, but he knew the spirit would move audiences of today just as much as when those books were originally written.
@nancyhayes9958
@nancyhayes9958 8 ай бұрын
The movies =feel= like Tolkien. If I start looking at the details, I see all the differences between book and movie. If I just relax and enjoy the movies (and shoot Denethor with my fingers half-a-dozen times), I feel the same enchantment I do when I read the books.
@trequor
@trequor 8 ай бұрын
Exactly. The prime objective of adaptation must be to maintain the core theme
@martar.2085
@martar.2085 8 ай бұрын
YES ​@@trequor
@Quasimodo-mq8tw
@Quasimodo-mq8tw 6 ай бұрын
I was interviewed by our local radionstation after i came Out of the Premiere of fellowship. "The movie Has Spirit" IS all i could say😅(IT sounded even worse in German)
@alerocillo
@alerocillo 8 ай бұрын
The Far Green Country scene, no matter how many times I see it or remember it. It always gets me every time.
@colleenross8752
@colleenross8752 8 ай бұрын
But, ironically, Pippin will never see those shores
@di3486
@di3486 8 ай бұрын
The far green country is actually England.
@OdeInWessex
@OdeInWessex 8 ай бұрын
​@@di3486The book is absolutely rooted in England at it's core, pun intended, and is personified by Sam imo. And yes I know how Professor Tolkien took that core and overlaid it with his Norwegian heritage and the mythology of other countries. The blend is unique and extraordinary. The only real test of a work of art is time and in light of that LOR passes with flying colours. I've loved it for decades and never tire of reading the book whilst the three films are Christmas tradition now.
@justiniani.4501
@justiniani.4501 8 ай бұрын
When Gandalf says that death is a path we all must take, I always interpreted that as him deliberately humbling himself to Pippin's level to make death seem less scary. Obviously, he's trying to make Pippin feel better, and if he had said something like "Death is a path all you mortals must take," it wouldn't have nearly as much of a positive impact on the poor Hobbit.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
Very good point.
@sivad1025
@sivad1025 8 ай бұрын
I've never understood this criticism either. Even if Gandalf did not eternally die, he did suffer a bodily death. Christians have no issue saying that Jesus suffered death even though he is risen and alive
@southernlady5085
@southernlady5085 8 ай бұрын
It’s not just feeling better; rather, he is conveying the sure and certain hope that Tolkien embraced of his Faith in Christ, one that he nurtured through the sacraments and the love he had for others. We need to remember he was a daily communicant in the Catholic Faith, and took his obligations as a Christian VERY seriously. Even in the Great War, when he served in the trenches in France, the chaplain of his Regiment would, as often as possible, bring him Eucharist. For him, that was the tangible foretaste of what is the reality beyond our earthly existence, that of heaven and Christ Himself who welcomes the Faithful. A truly superb book, newly published, Tolkien’s Faith, A Spiritual Biography by Holly Ordway, deals with Tolkien’s spirituality and his relationship with the Catholic Church in England, and how that influenced every aspect of his life. I HIGHLY recommend it if you want a deeper understanding of any of Tolkien’s works, but especially the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I’m reading it alongside LOTR, and it has given me tremendous insight into the mind and extraordinary Faith of Tolkien, as well as factual info. on his life, like his experiences in both WWI and WWII. Truly, this is one of the best non-fiction books I’ve ever read. The theology presented is very clear and accessible and the biographical material is the most in-depth that I’ve ever read on Tolkien. In addition, Ms Ordway also has included photos from Tolkien’s family life and of others who were of importance to Tolkien. The biography has extensive endnotes with commentary, pages of bibliography and recommended readings, and a glossary of theological and other terms used in the book that the casual reader might find helpful. Ordway’s book is a true treasure for all fans of LOTR, Christian or not, if you want a greater understanding of this great man’s core beliefs and inner spiritual life. LOTR would not have been written the way it was without Tolkien’s deep Faith and his personal convictions about the nature of the human spirit. I would daresay to fully understand LOTR, you must also understand these things that he held most dear. This is really a superb book! You won’t be disappointed should you purchase it. It’s one you’ll keep alongside your LOTR trilogy books on the bookshelf! PS. I don’t receive any renumeration nor am I associated with the author in any way. I just really believe that of all the biographies and commentaries I’ve read, this one stands head and shoulders above the rest!
@lukeholwerda14
@lukeholwerda14 8 ай бұрын
@sivad1025 Amen to that, Gandalf is surely speaking from experience in this instance.
@StephenKendall
@StephenKendall 8 ай бұрын
This comes just after Gandalf humbled himself by saying “there never was much hope. Just a fool’s hope.” After repeatedly calling Pippin a fool, that acknowledgement of the foolishness of the whole quest really hits.
@Danno-tl4rp
@Danno-tl4rp 8 ай бұрын
Another beautiful description of Heaven are Aragorn's final words: “In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory.”
@tkinsey3
@tkinsey3 8 ай бұрын
I was at my father's bedside when he died last year from cancer, and this scene kept replaying in my head. We had had terrible storms all night, but as the morning arrived, the sun rose and shone brilliantly through the windows. I had one more sunrise with my dad before he journeyed beyond to that far green country. Tolkien's words have consistently given me great comfort, and none more than that morning.
@placebo5466
@placebo5466 8 ай бұрын
When you have as much passion as PJ had making these movies. I see "mistakes" as just creative flourishes by the director and everyone else involved. The movies had everything they needed to have in them. Stayed true to Tokein as well as they could in a movie. I love Tolkein as much as the next die hard, but the anyone criticizing this movie for not being "pure" enough needs to take a seat. So happy you covered this scene, it has always been a favorite of mine. Kind of morbid but I wouldn't having this quote on my tombstone hopefully many years from now.
@aquaarietta
@aquaarietta 8 ай бұрын
Got me misty-eyed with the use of Jupiter at the end there. Excellent music choice.
@phendan
@phendan 8 ай бұрын
Indeed, I liked pretty much all the music used. Wish there was a track list so I could listen to them all actually!
@jroden06
@jroden06 8 ай бұрын
Just got there and you're right - instant tears.
@loganbaer8990
@loganbaer8990 8 ай бұрын
The tune of the hymn sung at my wedding, a bop
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
My favorite piece of music ever written.
@fragilefreak2062
@fragilefreak2062 8 ай бұрын
Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and God of War OST pieces i believe.
@dococ3272
@dococ3272 8 ай бұрын
It really does warm my heart to hear someone point out how even though Jackson did change some things, there was no one better to take this work to the big screen than he and all the men and women involved. We don’t see passion like these movies often anymore. We just recently showed our 10 year old the series. Instantly fell in love and now has LOTR on next to read after the Harry Potter books. When I say fell in love I mean as passionate and in a state of pure joy as I was when I was growing up and got to see them in theaters after already reading the books a couple times. The books will be like the extra extended extended cut lol with some tweaks. That being said, he and my wife bawled their eyes out at this scene and many other scenes. It is truly a beautiful story.
@LisaG442
@LisaG442 8 ай бұрын
Jackson nailed the flavour of the books perfectly. That’s why the movies were so successful. There were already legions of Tolkien fans before movies were made, he knew he had to get it right. There are also huge difficulties making a book work in a movie, sometimes perfect book scenes just won’t work in a movie so changes have to be made.
@JSFal
@JSFal 8 ай бұрын
To nitpick, when Men die their spirits do make a pit stop at the Halls of Mandos, which are in Valinor. They are held their for a short time before being sent from the world( check Beren and Luthien for an in-text example) So Gandalf is not wrong here, he just isnt fully explaining. Which he can't since the fate of Men after leaving the halls is not revealed to him or anyone else. Fantastic video though! I love this scene too, it does get the theme right even if it misses some details. You do an excellent job of explaining these themes and ideas powerfully. Thanks for making the videos. Also, Dive well!
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
Just when I think I know something about LotR lore... thanks for sharing!
@JSFal
@JSFal 8 ай бұрын
@@master_samwise its a dense topic, for sure. I shudder to remeber stuff I used to staunchly believe about the text from one reading as a kid, mixed in with the stuff from movies and games. Glad I could contribute in some small way
@uwesca6263
@uwesca6263 8 ай бұрын
When gandalf died after the battle with the balrog he said later that he walked paths he will not speak of. Maybe gandalf saw a short glimpse of the afterlife of man granted by illuvatar and when he got back he only told pippin a part of the truth to eas his fear.
@JSFal
@JSFal 8 ай бұрын
@@uwesca6263 I had not thought of that... its very reasonable from what I know that he was taken to the timeless halls during that. That would make him the only being on Arda to have any idea of it. Thats cool, thanks for sharing.
@Marc-vk7rl
@Marc-vk7rl 8 ай бұрын
While it's true that mortals make a pitstop in the halls of Mandos, I always thought they basically wake up there after dying. So they don't get to see the rolling back of they grey rain curtain and the far green country. What do you think?
@drtaint
@drtaint 8 ай бұрын
I also like how there's a huge contrast between how Gandalf treats Pippin in the beginning of the series to how he treats him in Minas Tirith.
@random22026
@random22026 8 ай бұрын
The Grey...the White...viva la difference
@ilikesniffingpaper
@ilikesniffingpaper 8 ай бұрын
I think I'd be hard to treat a young child (sized) hobbit badly when he and you are about to go into battle
@ethenallen1388
@ethenallen1388 8 ай бұрын
Donethorn chose to burn himself and Faramir because he'd given up. Pipin sought Gandalf's help in stopping that horror because he had not given up. When Denethorn lit that pile, Pippin jumped on to roll a much larger and heavier man off. He'd earned Gandalf's affection and respect.
@SalvableRuin
@SalvableRuin 8 ай бұрын
​@@ethenallen1388There is no character named Donethorn. It's Denethor.
@ethenallen1388
@ethenallen1388 8 ай бұрын
@SalvableRuin I'm sorry about my terrible spelling. I do try to proofread my comments before posting them, but mistakes do slip by me at times.
@Tsathogguah
@Tsathogguah 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for highlighting this beautiful scene. I think Tolkien was using Valinor as a metaphor for the afterlife in the books. So Jackson got it more right than you think!
@drinaldi2000
@drinaldi2000 8 ай бұрын
Couldn't help but catch the, "O God Beyond All Praising," towards the end after you started talking about Heaven. Bravo
@simonemmen4464
@simonemmen4464 8 ай бұрын
If I may add a point to this scene. Going just on the movies, this scene can still work magic. Gandalf dies and is sent back. So, you could think he has seen the other side and is telling Pippin what he saw in this scene: "Fear not, because it is good there". + Sir McKellen's delivery combined with Shore's score is just... perfection
@ianbuchan8548
@ianbuchan8548 2 ай бұрын
Without reading the books, that's always how l interpreted that scene.
@johng92
@johng92 8 ай бұрын
Frodo’s “waking-dream” at Tom’s house has to be one of my favorite literary passages of all time. Tolkien’s way with words truly was and is incredible.
@beautifulcuriousknits4830
@beautifulcuriousknits4830 8 ай бұрын
Holst's Jupiter goes so beautifully with this movie, and with the themes of hope and joy!
@garmisra7841
@garmisra7841 8 ай бұрын
In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Tolkien's words are filled with fundamental hopefulness, that couldn't be diluted through PJ's interpretation regardless of how good or bad it was. Mad respect to PJ, but utmost love for JRRT.
@nancyhayes9958
@nancyhayes9958 8 ай бұрын
I love this scene for so many reasons: Gandalf’s love for and comfort to Pippin, the glimpse of hope and Light in Darkness, the sheer beauty of Tolkien’s words expressed so well by the actors, but none of these are the main reasons I love it. Gandalf is a Maia, sent to Middle-earth to kindle hope in those who oppose Sauron. He’s been away from Valinor for centuries, with only vague memories of his home. I think one of the things he regained when he was resurrected as Gandalf the White is clearer memories of Valinor. I love this scene because I think Gandalf is a little homesick. Since Gandalf has fulfilled his mission with every ounce of his will and power, his memories are not tarnished and, one day, he will be allowed to go home.
@kazemccloud
@kazemccloud 8 ай бұрын
Even if Jackson got many scenes and quotes wrong or said by a different character, I love the movies dearly. To bring forth such a masterclass of literature with so so much lore and details as a movie adaptation, it's a gigantic challenge and he did it justice. This crushing hopelessness paired with the unending will to try the best they can was done soooooooooooo well in the movies. Thank you for reminding me how beautiful the movies are. Love your videos, It's always such a joy to watch
@michaelhallock1428
@michaelhallock1428 8 ай бұрын
As a person who read the books several times before the films were even in development, there are lots about the film I wish had been handled differently. I have a list. But that doesn't take away from my very sincere admiration for what was achieved with these films. And I can always get around my quibbles in two ways. I can remember what happened in the books and mentally substitute as necessary when watching. Second, I can respect that different people can have their own interpretations and understanding of Tolkien's work. And that's OK. As a teenager, I loved each Christmas time when I could go to the local bookstore and see that year's Tolkien calendar. Every month had a work of art depicting a different moment from Tolkien's legendarium. I loved how each piece never perfectly matched my own imagination, but that I could see how each interpretation was perfectly valid given Tolkien's words.
@dawnezone8491
@dawnezone8491 7 ай бұрын
Oh I remember those calendars too ♥
@rodneyaustin3999
@rodneyaustin3999 8 ай бұрын
Great video. I agree 99%. My only disagreement is that I would say there are two underrated scenes, the other is in Moria when Gandalf gently encourages Frodo after his despair about the ring. Two great statements in under two minutes. (I became a sub after seeing this wonderful video essay)
@mclovinjr9086
@mclovinjr9086 8 ай бұрын
This is a scene I always come back to. Truly a comforting quote that brings every human some peace, and something everyone should hear.
@michaelman957
@michaelman957 8 ай бұрын
Slipping in "Oh God, Beyond All Praising," as you talk about Divine Providence was an inspired music choice.
@mikedangerdoes
@mikedangerdoes 3 ай бұрын
You don't know how much I needed to be reminded that hope is exists and its okay to just be happy with having done as much as you can.
@scottybreuer
@scottybreuer 8 ай бұрын
The amount of repurposed Tom Bombadil content in the movies shows how even people who think he's a silly character appreciate Tolkien's prowess as a storyteller.
@michaelwaldmann5468
@michaelwaldmann5468 8 ай бұрын
i think philippa boyens explains somewhere on the extended edititon, that they actually would have loved to include Tom, and only had to leave that storyline out, because it didn't fit into the movie structure (and i agree here). And as far as i know, they even edited the movie purposly in a way, that makes it possible to imagine, that they went to Tom between scenes.
@zztopz7090
@zztopz7090 8 ай бұрын
I think the books are even heavier than the movies, and Tom is such a pleasant relief amidst all the chaos. Its like revisiting childhood one last time.
@pbj1984
@pbj1984 7 ай бұрын
"A Far Green Country" and "The Lighting of the Beacons" have always been very powerful and well-done scenes imo, using the story but also the score and cinematography to great effect.
@OGA103
@OGA103 8 ай бұрын
It's been a couple decades since I've read the book but I absolutely adore the movies. They are almost perfect in my eyes. It's always incredibly hard to translate a novel onto the big screen and I truly think Jackson nailed it. I know there are differences but the spirit is all there.
@Travelin_Man1
@Travelin_Man1 8 ай бұрын
This analysis is truly beautifully done. I fancy myself - as one who has feasted on all Tolkien’s books and as a lover especially of the Silmarillion, and who has read biographies of him - as having some understanding of his worlds. And as one who fervently believes and seeks “the far country”, I also share, I believe, Tolkien’s heart to some extent. What you say here is spot on. That scene with Gandalf and Pippin truly conveys something in the deep essence of Tolkien and his world… and you nailed it… hope. Hope that indeed we are all on a hero’s quest for those green shores. I believe Tolkien desired this with all his heart… as do I. Again: well done, well done!
@juanjacobo36
@juanjacobo36 8 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh... I clicked knowing this scene, and it being one of my favorites already. But your explanation of it honoring the professor and the essential message of hope really hit me. When we expend ourselves in the service of the good that providence will step in and do what we cannot was just what I needed to hear today. Thank you
@MargoB
@MargoB 8 ай бұрын
Me too! Beautiful description of this wonderful scene. Thank you Master Samwise!
@zacrast16
@zacrast16 8 ай бұрын
This is literally my favorite scene in the whole trilogy. Every time it happens it gives me chills.
@chloelam143
@chloelam143 8 ай бұрын
I think if you constantly point out the flaws in the movies one can never see what was achieved which is impressive. It takes a whole day to get through the extended editions of the films and we expect them to be one for one on a multi-day series. Yes they are flawed but they still capture the moments that matter most in ways that are easily accessible. I think many scenes would not hold near the impact if it weren’t for Howard Shore composing the soundtrack. Or maybe even the lighting in this scene. Hearts and respect were truly poured out for a wonderful story that can now reach younger audiences.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
Howard Shore is an absolute genius. That man can make me feel things I never thought possible.
@chestnut1064
@chestnut1064 8 ай бұрын
I'm always so glad to watch your videos of Lord of the Rings, I have learned a lot.
@newmancl0
@newmancl0 8 ай бұрын
We just Rewatched LotR (first time for our kids). Those movies hold up so so so well. Still the best movie ever made IMO. Some of the changes from the books I'm a HUGE fan of. Theoden, for example, gets an arc in the movies. Its fantastic. He is much more one-note in the books I love both the books and the movies. I'm no some kind of expert/megafan. But i've read LotR half a dozen times and still absolutely love the movies.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
I have a whole 40+ minute video on Theoden, and I talk about why Jackson made him the way he did (my best guess, anyway). He's a wonderful character in both, but yes his arc in the films is absolutely wonderful.
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 8 ай бұрын
Boromir is also better in the films.
@youngzoomer
@youngzoomer 8 ай бұрын
honey, new master samwise LOTR video dropped
@mentacose
@mentacose 8 ай бұрын
Felt that LOL
@swolecapybara
@swolecapybara 8 ай бұрын
I love your assessment of this scene. It’s one of my all-time favorite LOTR moments, and I cry a little each time I watch it. As a religious person myself, it makes me think of the home I don’t remember but know exists somewhere beyond this world.
@CatholicNicklas
@CatholicNicklas 8 ай бұрын
As a Roman Catholic and Tolkien fan, thank you for not ignoring how Faith influenced his great works!
@micahsmocs2742
@micahsmocs2742 8 ай бұрын
Bluey’s Sleepytime score over LOTR?! Genius pairing and great vid :)
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
HAHAHAHA I genuinely love that you recognized the music from Bluey. I adore that episode, mostly because of this music. If you didn't already know, it's a piece by Gustav Holst called The Planets, and this particular bit is from the Jupiter movement. The actual performance is by the US Air Force band, so it's in public domain.
@micahsmocs2742
@micahsmocs2742 8 ай бұрын
@@master_samwise Thanks for the tip, I’ll be sure to check that out right away 👍
@heidineef6918
@heidineef6918 8 ай бұрын
I LOVE this, but I will say two things, which I think make this scene in fact accurate to Tolkien's lore. One you do mention towards the end, that death is in fact NOT the end for either Gandalf or Pippin. Though their paths will be different, at least for a time, and perhaps forever, depending upon what exactly the gift of Iluvatar was to men. But secondly, and really branching off from that first point, is that Pippin is going to Valinor when he dies, even if it is only for a brief time. The Tale of Beren and Luthien reveals that after death, the souls of men pass on to the Halls of Mandos, where they remain for a short while, before they are sent beyond the borders of Ea to whatever Iluvatar has in store for them. So while Gandalf IS skipping some of the exact details of what Pippin's fate will be, he is giving him just enough of what HE knows of the Fate of men for Pippin to be able to face what seems like certain death with the hope which was so central in Tolkien's works.
@ethanedwards7834
@ethanedwards7834 4 ай бұрын
I love your choice of music for this video. The irony of talking about the beauty and necessity of death while hearing dark souls music, a game where you have been cursed with undeath, is fantastic. And your use of Jupiter at the end really hammered your point home. Well done.
@samyty1530
@samyty1530 8 ай бұрын
These little snippets in the movie were indeed extremely moving and captivating. This line about the silver veil is my favorite line from the trilogy
@jornspirit
@jornspirit 8 ай бұрын
...the movies are a love letter from Peter Jackson to Tolkien... couldn't say it better... 💖
@vandywn4352
@vandywn4352 8 ай бұрын
This message of hope through the lens of Lord of the Rings is really blessing me today. Exactly what I needed to be reminded of Love your content and loving the timing today more than usual
@motivation4u854
@motivation4u854 8 ай бұрын
You’re a bastard for including Jupiter the bringer of jollity and making me cry lol
@villagerofficer
@villagerofficer 8 ай бұрын
Last time I was here you had 100k, now you have 103k. Way to go man! I agree with what you said here, and thinks for letting me, and a lot of other people know. I've seen this movie three times, and never realized this inaccuracy before, always connecting it to whatever equivalent of heaven is, in middle earth. I don't watch a lot of LOTR videos, but from the ones I have seen, I don't think this scene is talked about enough. Thanks again.
@whynot1548
@whynot1548 8 ай бұрын
Jackson's rendition was as good as humanely possible. Given the fact Tolkien outright dissed the idea that his books could be filmed.
@pwnagepanther5857
@pwnagepanther5857 3 ай бұрын
I cry everytime I watch your videos, your inclusion of Dark Souls theme while discussing themes of despair and defeat are perfect. Please keep gushing about Tolkien, you do his memory so much justice.
@7horsefan970
@7horsefan970 8 ай бұрын
Hope is the message of the entire story and could not be more timely. While none of the events in LOTR are true, it's essence of hope is true and is a part of nearly every human story.
@JRCSalter
@JRCSalter 8 ай бұрын
That is my absolute favourite line from the book, and the scene is one of my favourites from the films.
@matthewarant377
@matthewarant377 2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite scenes. The language of Tolkein is something that adds so much. It feels like living history. Phrases like "The grey rain-curtain of this world" and "The wind is in the west" are somehow elevated above the simple meaning of their words. Ian McKellan's acting communicates it so well.
@lewishamilton537
@lewishamilton537 8 ай бұрын
I like the way you described the issues with the scene and instead deaming that it’s not worth the watch you highlight how it’s great in its own way.
@IrishIronArmalite
@IrishIronArmalite 8 ай бұрын
My personal favorite scene. It's one of the few scenes thst can genuinely make me shake with emotion, especially as a Christian. Gandalf describing heaven to a fearful Pippin and why he shouldn't fear death, it's nothing short of beautiful.
@joshuaball3867
@joshuaball3867 8 ай бұрын
I think in general the changes were good and helped the story translate to the screen a little better. As for the Valinor thing, it is no longer a part of the world since the fall of Numenor when the world was changed. There is an element of magic here that the elves and these ships basically sail to space, the only ones which can do so. Also, the Silmarillion makes it clear that mortals pass through on their journey to beyond the world, passing through a proverbial door. I do agree that this is a highly underrated scene
@andyw5933
@andyw5933 5 ай бұрын
That switch from the Dark Souls 1 music to that beautiful hymn when moving from despair to hope was not lost! Thank you!
@IanDaMann12610
@IanDaMann12610 8 ай бұрын
I wish my words could express how much this movie, and how well your video incapacitated everything it stands for, means to me. :)
@chucksmith465
@chucksmith465 8 ай бұрын
I have read the books and seen the movies many times and I must say that your comments catch the spirit of Tolkien’s stories perfectly. Very well done, indeed.
@ALTR_no_EGO
@ALTR_no_EGO 8 ай бұрын
Yes! While not technically correct, the heart of the scene is true to the source material. It's the spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law, kinda thing.
@stimpsonjcat67
@stimpsonjcat67 8 ай бұрын
"There never is a happy ending because nothing ever ends." - Shmendrick
@JasonGabler
@JasonGabler 8 ай бұрын
I've always believed that by far the most Tolkien-like addition was Gandalf and Galadriel's "Why the Halfling?" scene after the White Council. "Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."
@DayTripperrr
@DayTripperrr 8 ай бұрын
I always saw this scene as Gandalf telling Pippin that Heaven exists and that there’s a whole new life waiting for him on the other side.
@patrickm6009
@patrickm6009 8 ай бұрын
Gotta love that Planet Suite by Gustav Holst.
@MountainFisher
@MountainFisher 8 ай бұрын
I read the books so of course I watched the movies with a critical eye. My biggest complaint was never what Jackson cut from the Legendarium, but what he added to it. Yet be that as it may Jackson didn't add our modern day baggage to the Story. For that alone he deserved the Oscar.
@joelwashere5382
@joelwashere5382 8 ай бұрын
The messages inside your videos bring strength to my bones 😊
@fr.thomaslugge6343
@fr.thomaslugge6343 8 ай бұрын
Master Samwise, I just want you to know that the orchestral “Oh God Beyond All Praising” starting around 7:45 was not overlooked-nice touch!
@tiffanyfranklin4769
@tiffanyfranklin4769 8 ай бұрын
This was so beautiful 😭
@jimorr820
@jimorr820 8 ай бұрын
Well said. You made me feel hope. The melody from Holstz "Planets" is used as a hymn in the Catholic Church with the theme of hope. Thanks.
@LadySilmarien
@LadySilmarien 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful essay Master Samwise. As he is giving up his life Aragorn tells Arwen that they are not bound forever to the circles of the world and beyond them is more than memory. He understands the Gift of Illuvatar. I expect the Hobbits go where Men go when they die.
@stephensignorelli437
@stephensignorelli437 8 ай бұрын
Funny enough, this scene and the lighting of the beacons are my favorite in the entire trilogy (both with Gandalf and pippin). Also, only Jackson can change things from the book and still make it brilliant. Still wish we saw Glorfindel though.
@mentacose
@mentacose 8 ай бұрын
SO here for this!
@EvenstarSaima
@EvenstarSaima 8 ай бұрын
*sobbing*
@pbj1984
@pbj1984 7 ай бұрын
Beautifully said, beautifully done, thank you
@Galimeer5
@Galimeer5 8 ай бұрын
The movies may have failed at the impossible task of adapting a fantasy epic into film, but they were still a faithful retelling of the story. Rings of Power can't say the same.
@nancyhayes9958
@nancyhayes9958 8 ай бұрын
I’m a reaction-video junkie, at least where LOTR is concerned. I can’t even watch reactors to ROP without getting ticked off (Again? Still?) over so many things, to the point I can’t watch the reactions.
@ninakrishnamurthy6674
@ninakrishnamurthy6674 6 ай бұрын
What exactly do you mean when you say "The movies may have failed at adapting a fantasy epic into film"? Do you mean that they're a poor adaptation? No, that can't be it; you literally said they were a faithful retelling of the story. Do you mean the films aren't epic in scope? In that case, what IS epic to you? Do you mean that they are a retelling and not an adaptation because they aren't a literal word-for-word translation of the book onto the screen? To which I say, if that is your standard for adaptation you're doomed to be disappointed.
@WadeWojcik
@WadeWojcik 8 ай бұрын
This scene may be underrated by some, but certainly not by me:) Great video!
@NClark-lp3bq
@NClark-lp3bq 8 ай бұрын
That was beautifully inspirational, you never fail to impress.
@Heywoodthepeckerwood
@Heywoodthepeckerwood 8 ай бұрын
The LOTR movies together are the most epic piece of movie making in history.
@codycooper9115
@codycooper9115 8 ай бұрын
I like how every seen of a character showing “hope” is Aragorn…. Plus one Sam. Frodo may have carried the ring… but Aragorn really carried everyone else.
@FGCbaronkorvo
@FGCbaronkorvo 8 ай бұрын
Another incredible analysis Master Samwise! Your love for Tolkien's work shows through in all your videos, but this one especially.
@cassiejarrett-clark5980
@cassiejarrett-clark5980 8 ай бұрын
Love this so much! One of my favorite scenes 🫶
@mobes8876
@mobes8876 8 ай бұрын
Great video, and yeah, it totally captures the hope and feel of the books. But dude. The music at the end reminded me of the Bluey episode and I started crying way too hard on my drive to work.
@CJ-111
@CJ-111 8 ай бұрын
You just have to look at Amazon's failure to see how much Peter cared about Tolkien's work
@gaslightergus
@gaslightergus 8 ай бұрын
Great video, as always The music choice was a bit comical As Dark Souls fan I found it kinda funny how you speak of a paradise land while having the themes that are etched in my brain and associate with a dark and gloomy environment of Souls series play They are enchanting, yeah, but it was still kinda funny
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 8 ай бұрын
I love the Dark Souls music. If you don't know the world that accompanies it, it works very well for these calmer, ponderous videos. But yeah, kind of an ironic choice,
@jeremy1860
@jeremy1860 8 ай бұрын
No other could do this role quite like Sir Ian 😊
@yorktown99
@yorktown99 8 ай бұрын
Nice touch with the instrumental music, "I Vow To Thee My Country" by Gustav Holst.
@noneofyourbusiness7965
@noneofyourbusiness7965 8 ай бұрын
Tolkein was a Christian and communicated the Christian message of hope for the home that all Christians wait for.
@juliagoodfellow7539
@juliagoodfellow7539 8 ай бұрын
Yes. That why dumping the whole last part of the book (The scouring of the Shire) is so weird.
@generalj216
@generalj216 8 ай бұрын
@@juliagoodfellow7539that was just for time
@LightOfReason7
@LightOfReason7 8 ай бұрын
Good and wonderful points. Most people in Hollywood just don't care enough like Peter Jackson did
@trihard6989
@trihard6989 3 ай бұрын
This was the video that made me fascinated with your channel. Love it.
@Eilonwy95
@Eilonwy95 8 ай бұрын
A beautiful scene. Hope is something we all need.
@sdev2749
@sdev2749 8 ай бұрын
Hope comes down to the simple "flight or fight" response ingrained into us ever since man first became man. When faced with peril, all creatures must make a split second decision based on the reaction to a stress of peril. It begins in the amygdala, which triggers a neural response in the hypothalamus. The being will either overcome its fear of the confronting situation and choose to fight, or sucom to the fear and choose to run for survival. If the being chooses to fight, then they see hope, a way out, a willingness to fight and overcome the threat. If you have hope before facing a threat then your ability to overcome fear increases as long as you stay true to that hope and not give up.
@di3486
@di3486 8 ай бұрын
Also, when Tolkien talks about a Far Green Country, he is describing England. Tolkien loved England beyond words and it is a nice touch to use that phrase to also show his message about death as a gift.
@daguroswaldson257
@daguroswaldson257 6 ай бұрын
How Gandalf describes going to Valinor always reminds me of heaven and it reflects on Tolkein's Catholic Christian worldview.
@Sarchina
@Sarchina 8 ай бұрын
I'm an atheist but there's nothing that makes me wish I could believe in a religion and life after this, as much as Lord of the rings, specifically this scene and the Grey havens scene.
@goldilocks913
@goldilocks913 8 ай бұрын
Ah , me auld eyes are a’leakin agan
@duncang3062
@duncang3062 8 ай бұрын
jupiter is such an amazing song and perfectly matches the theme; wonderful choice!
@attackmanatee02
@attackmanatee02 4 ай бұрын
What you said about his Tolkein's religious views really show how important this scene is for Pippin. He's bding told by Gandalf that there is no need to fear death, because what comes after is only an improvement. Reminds me of the hymn titled "This World Is Not My Home". There is also the similarities in Tolkien's description of Valinor to the bible's descriptions of heaven. Several descriptions include a shore that you reach before heading past it to paradise
@M00nscr1pt115
@M00nscr1pt115 8 ай бұрын
The Dark Souls music fits LoTR perfectly! Awesome video 👍
@bradmenpes809
@bradmenpes809 7 ай бұрын
Well said. Jackson may have infuriated fans of the novels by making (some) necessary narrative changes, but he got the spirit of Tolkien's work completely and beautifully right.
@jessecv
@jessecv 7 ай бұрын
A wonderful video. Subscribed and hoping for more. I also loved your use of music from the Dark Souls Franchise. It fits so well with LOTR.
@davidholaday2817
@davidholaday2817 8 ай бұрын
I was just thinking this, and I find it weird that I have always thought this, and never actually out loud mentioned it to someone.
@southernlady5085
@southernlady5085 8 ай бұрын
Superb commentary w/video! Well done!
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