the most unnecessary love triangle of all time ❤️

[@adrianschroeder2798]

As a kid it felt like this had 10 seasons

[@thatgirl8036]

thats what i thought too after rewatching!!

[@Chukz05]

Frrr

[@HitsugiHime]

It definitely drug it’s feet with the pacing

[@Handyrandy2233]

The show would rather have a messy love triangle then setting up Tori and Andre,like there’s an even 8 members of the group

[@lelnel6242]

Or Jade and Andre, he had a crush on her in one episode

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

I see the appeal and I am a friends to lovers gal, but I do like them better as friends. They have good chemistry, but I never saw any hidden feelings for each other.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

@@lelnel6242i shipped jade and andre.

[@jaysteezy2]

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 yea theyre werent any hidden feelings but the thing is imo it could be easily developed if the writers wanted to do it. just like jade and andre imo i never saw any feelings until they made it happen. pretty much either pair wouldve been better than the love triangle

[@toriplayssg]

Idk what’s up with everyone shipping Tori and Andre that’d be so weird they have like a sibling relationship

[@dancingsun2]

Honestly Andre is a better love interest for both Tori and Jade than Beck💀

[@propogandalf]

Still love Beck though. Actually, maybe it's just Avan Jogia and not Beck.

[@corridawn3851]

I kinda feel like they were afraid to have an interracial relationship honestly. Like I love having a platonic male-female friendship, but you didn't give your one non-white main character ANY love interests the entire show??

[@RememberMeGirl13]

I always thought that was because Andre got some actual depth. Beck always felt like the writers went "well hes hot..... and a nice guy...... that should be enough, right?" and then patted themselfs on the back and continued to backtrack every development he made.

[@vivergodamn]

True

[@camdecay]

andre’s a better love interest for tori, jade, AND beck

[@Nameless_mixes]

“Tori’s not my friend. I only tolerate Robbie. Nobody likes Trina. And Cat’s basically a pet.” Jade unintentionally admitting that she actually likes Andre as a person lol

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

Andre was just chilling and that’s why he’s my favorite

[@Laramaria2]

She also lets him touch her. She doesn't like to be touched but she does let him touch her face, she later hugs him and when she had to give him a character to play at the sleepover, after she says "you're pregnant" he asks "who's the father?" and she actually smiles a little. So yeah, I think she likes Andre or at least she likes him well enough 😂

[@Clxxdyyyyyyy]

Andre was awesome, of course Jade doesn't mind him being around

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

@@Laramaria2 I used to ship Andre and Jade

[@Cyntaria]

Okay but like Andre was so chill throughout the show. True MVP

[@trinaq]

When you realise that Beck could have easily gotten out of the Alphabet game by saying "Let's not" after Tori's "Kiss Me."

[@Kikiricki11]

When improvising you can never say „no“. BUT he definitely could have said an alternative like „let‘s go outside instead!“ or smth like that

[@rosiesapperstein6400]

I think the real reason was because he agreed jade was out of line with how she treated tori and the kiss was meant to irk her a little

[@uhlanthe]

literally thought this exactly

[@sabrinapierre9756]

In the extended version of the pilot he says “little weird” but it was cut 😢

[@andieouso]

@@sabrinapierre9756omg!! Yesss I remember that

[@FormerMoonGod]

Take a hint will never not slap.

[@Jade_West2010]

Fr

[@SamiraNur-xg8uk]

I love take a hint but my fav is give it up

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

Beck pissed me off on the show sm he never told the girls he had a gf and was always kinda flirty w them or not adressing the fact that he was taken💀

[@low-keydrama1260]

And then when Jade would get mad, Beck would pull the “Ugh you’re so insecure and controlling! You need to calm down!” Like are you seriously gaslighting her after you decided not to any girl who’s interested in you that you’re taken????

[@myeeeeeh]

@low-keydrama1260 I never got why Beck never told any of these girls he had a gf. In the Freak the Freak Out episode, Cat was the one who told those girls hitting on Beck that he had a gf.

[@anni1348]

Exactly! Beck never actively told these girls who flirt with him, to stop or that he's already taken. Which would be his responsibility being in a committed monogamous relationship. Jade was extremely jealous, but Beck never really behaved in a way that would show her that she actually can trust him on being loyal. The show only portrayed Jade as the only toxic part oft their relationship, without acknowledging Becks toxic behavior as well.

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

@@anni1348 Yesss glad not only i had a problem w him and that that the toxicity was always put on mostly jade when beck was def not reassuring to her enough😭

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

@@myeeeeeh ye lit jade s best friend had to step in bc her bf couldnt say two words 💀

[@ethanramirez939]

Honestly every person in this triangle would have been better with Andre

[@plushdragonteddy]

YES !! everyone talks about tori and andre, but tbh beck and andre had chemistry too!

[@vanna_novella]

I’d love to see the love rectangle

[@ITEEZ-]

Let's just say Andre gets along with everybody. He just had that easy going energy. He doesn't give love interest at all though

[@lia701]

​@@plushdragonteddyThey are twins bro

[@HitsugiHime]

Andre was just all around a great guy

[@sarahhenry564]

You’re gonna tell me they go to an arts highschool on Hollywood and nobody’s queer?? Nah bffr

[@Breezy-jm2tt]

NO FR

[@Grace_katherine]

i’m pretty sure we can all agree that like literally all of them were clearly bisexual lmao

[@corvusfunghi]

fr though

[@pls2213]

@@Grace_katherine "they were all bisexual" 😍yeah i loved the episode where andre and beck make out- oh wait i just made that up like y'all do with this TIRED narrative😭

[@pls2213]

i knew it was GRAVELY unrealistic the SECOND they introduced SINJIN and immediately didn't give his character a crush on robbie/hell even rex ... it's insulting, comphet, and a borderline mirco aggression (ie: jade's "i hate rainbows" -cuts immediately to that one teacher nod in agreement LMFAOOO) that neither him, robbie, or ANYONE in ANY nick sitcom for that matter is queer... and the most we EVER got? perez hilton guest staring💀💀💀

[@historyshaker7412]

fun fact a necklace that Tori was seen wearing across multiple episodes was seen on Jade several times after their date episode

[@Jade_West2010]

I stole it.

[@DearMonroeville]

Learning about Jade keeping Tori's necklace after their date episode really just altered my brain chemistry.

[@Jade_West2010]

I stole it, actually.

[@yeonjunyunjin]

​@@Jade_West2010lmao

[@ITEEZ-]

Think I'm the only one that shipped them

[@Jade_West2010]

@@yeonjunyunjin Yeah, she found out and let me keep it anyway. It was weird..

[@AKATSUKIROBES]

​@@ITEEZ- I shipped them hard. I didn't care about any other relationship 😂

[@Akursedtime]

Going to say this Tori and Jade had more chemistry than Beck ever had with either of them. And the absolute disgrace that the writers chose Beck and Tori when Andre and Tori were right there. RIGHT THERE.

[@shanicefelix5674]

👏👏👏

[@smr6141]

Agreed, Tori and Jade’s friendship had more depth and nuance than any of those ships ever did. I would’ve loved to see them together or at least become closer friends. That pretend date episode was one of my favorites of all time because it’s some of the closest we ever got to see them getting along it was so cute

[@Akursedtime]

@@smr6141 I shipped Tori and Jade so hard. Of course, I understood if they didn't pair them romantically since its' Nickelodean. But I was truly shocked that they didn't even pair up Andre and Tori. They had good chemistry and for a heteronormative show. They could have worked too.

[@ITEEZ-]

Tori and Jade could have easily had an enemies to lovers storyline . Skill issue and missed opportunity tbh

[@Kfields1234]

@@ITEEZ-noo tori and beck and andre and jade

[@-Jimini-]

Even before I fully had a grasp of what a healthy relationship was, I’ve always found the whole “Easy is boring” thing so weird and confusing, and now I just find it fully unsettling, like, outside of the tone of the show, that feels like a textbook sign of someone unable to get out of a toxic relationship

[@smr6141]

Ok I kinda agree with the statement but hear me out before you attack me. I think what people mean is that uneventful relationships are boring where there’s no variation with the person. However, uneventful shouldn’t correlate to easy. My current partner and I have very opposite interests and opinions on things, but at the end of the day we have similar longterm goals. Before that I mostly dated people who were really similar to me and it got really boring really fast. So yeah, I really think they could’ve put this thought in phrasing that didn’t come off so yucky because rewatching that yeah it did make my skin crawl, but I know what they’re trying to say. Too much complacency isn’t great, but neither is constant disagreement which Jade and Beck unfortunately didn’t seem to get.

[@star0nyx]

​@smr6141 I think the thing that is missing from your explanation is how easy can equate to anything boring. Easy is beautiful. Easy means it's easy to express emotions and be understood as well. Easy to validate, easy to feel seen. Compatibility in terms of hobbies is like a whole other thing. And that should be easy too even if you have different hobbies or views

[@star0nyx]

Arguments are normal in many relationships but as I'm aging I'm realizing that some relationships actually do not need to have that. Maybe a disagreement here and there but discussions then occur. Not constant fighting. Constant disagreements that come from feeling defensive because neither of you have worked on your ability to regulation emotions isn't cute. It isn't a love you need to experience!!

[@lauraelizabethbrown]

The show was also written by a man named Dan Schneider who has a foot fetish and perhaps is too big of a fan of the playground and those who are on it. So I wouldn't try to get worked up over the lack of reasonable relationship advice.

[@malittt4834]

I really wanted the creators to expand on Andre and Jade’s relationship, that one episode was not enough 😤

[@blahh_yaya]

A Jade x Andre shipper! Finally!

[@marieangels6]

Andre never actually liked Jade tho... He only had a short term crush... He got over it

[@CrystalChrysanthemum]

@@marieangels6it could’ve been more though

[@ITEEZ-]

​@@marieangels6I honestly think he liked her cause she reminded him of his grandma 😭. It was honestly giving mommy issues like yes please torture me.

[@JaxNovoa509]

@@blahh_yaya I'm a Jade and Andre shipper as well.

[@BirdPeopleArentReal]

Imagine worrying that your bf is gonna cheat on you, and then to get you back he makes out with the girl you were worried about. Beck is truly the worst

[@chocolatecream5593]

He is the worst but Jade kinda set it up by being so rude to Tori beforehand. She should’ve directed that energy towards him tbh

[@Kfields1234]

@@chocolatecream5593exactly

[@jordygarcia3119]

It’s hard not to say that we didn’t get Tori and Andre because he was Black. Nick shows during that era never gave Black characters any real substance so they definitely would never sign off on a Black character being the love interest of a show’s lead

[@izzywoods794]

I gotta insert that it was Dan Schneider’s shows that did that😅. Zoey 101 never rly saw Micheal in a relationship, Drake and Josh was all white, Victorious, iCarly was also all white (T-Bo was black but was just a crazy juice guy)

[@Slvttyalien]

Micheal was with lisa on zoey 101. But theres deff no interracial dating

[@awsomedude23456]

I do see what you’re saying but I don’t think him being black was the main reason. Nick pretty much NEVER gave their lead characters lasting relationships, and when they did those characters barely made appearances. For example even tho Mindy became Josh’s girlfriend, she only appeared in 6 episodes after that

[@justarandomsquirrel]

exactly! i know this doesn't technically count as being all nick's fault, but it's the same way i felt with prince naboo in winx club. wym you're gonna kill the 1 black love interest AND the love interest of the one black fairy?

[@justarandomsquirrel]

@@awsomedude23456 i see your point but in the case of victorious, almost every character had a romantic subplot/ romantic moments with someone on the cast: tori and beck, cat and robbie, jade and beck. in the 2 latter examples, these moments were quite prominent in multiple episodes. yes maybe only beck and jade remained endgame, but it was distracting that andre was never really given moments like this

[@Nameless_mixes]

I think the argument Beck and Jade had in the closet with Cat was very telling about Cat’s personal life. The way she was saying “I’m under my bed” and panicking was so heartbreaking. You can tell that Cat has a very dysfunctional family (and all the stories about her brother don’t help). For a comedy relief character, she had the saddest back story in my opinion.

[@mariannaortiz2426]

Cat would fit the tone of the Umbrella Academy.

[@saddesklunch2544]

Also whatever Robbie did while they played pirates

[@radioactive_baby]

Also, that one clip where she talks about the backstory of her dying her hair red kzbin.infokmxr5TH-4bo?si=YU9u-Bzb_q7mporl

[@tyralee2286]

And her grandma left her, so she had to live in the school.

[@radioactive_baby]

@@tyralee2286 Her grandma didn't leave. Her parents left her in LA to go take her brother to get help. Jade finds out her grandma lives in Venice, CA, and helps Cat move in with her Nonna. That's the house that Cat is living in during Sam & Cat

[@Josh-ez5hf]

You forgot to mention Jade's obsession with a movie literally called "The Scissoring" Very coded 😄

[@DmitriyK12]

That was a sexual innuendo, or a childish/immature poke at a horror film series presumably about demons or monsters using scissors to attack its victims.

[@g4llowsCalibr8tor]

I thought that was an Edward Scissorhands reference :p

[@rachel5399]

I thought they made Jade way too unlikable, for the sake of always making Tori an option for Beck. Like throughout the show, it proves why Jade had every right to be insecure.

[@toastytoby]

YESS, exactlyyy

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

Exactly

[@BabyGirlTiny]

No it didn’t. Because not once did we see beck cheat on her or going to cheat on her

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

@@BabyGirlTiny he still flirted with other girls and let other girls flirt with him. That’s boundary issue

[@ashborn7343]

So it's his fault multiple grown woman flirted with him​@@Jessica.Shawnte

[@petalembrace7684]

Also, in the Robarazzi episode: there was a running gag where Robbie lied about Beck and Jade breaking up. Beck played alongside the joke by saying ... "well" and Jade responded with "Do you want to break up?" Beck then said "Just kidding". But it is sad that Beck joked about breaking up with Jade a few times in that episode.

[@mzies]

For real, she looked so distraught the second time he made the joke. Dude liked to play with her reactions a little too much sometimes

[@linettexie2373]

Jade and Tori's dynamic is the greatest on the show, romantic or platonic.

[@Jade_West2010]

WHAT!?

[@canvas_125]

The BEST ship

[@OmarAyusoVA]

Them and Tori and Andre

[@Brittanysplittany]

It’s not romantic.

[@rachel5399]

This show had such interesting characters, I wish it was more of a drama than a Nickelodeon comedy. It wouldve thrived so much more. Like a Glee meets Degrassi, meets Gossip Girl. We never got backstory on so many of them. They're all going for different arts, and we primarily just get to see Tori. I understand her name is quite literally the show and she's the main character, but usually with kid shows, the side characters are less interesting. The parents who offer comedic relief, the best friend who always needs help, the sibling with witty remarks, the beige love interest. With this show, it was just the high school group, and they're all theater kids, basically. They all had some chemistry together. Not giving those characters more depth felt so wasteful.

[@PaddleboardingFL]

The problem i had with Beck's characterization is that he never treated Jade the way he treated Tori. He always extended empathy and understanding to Tori even when she was flipping out but as soon as Jade had any kind of anger/anxiety it felt like he was tired of it or didnt care. They never showed him trying to be a considerate bf, he never denied advances from girls, and then always made Jade seem like she was crazy. Then the creator, himself, having writing credits and increasing Jade's toxicity explains a lot.

[@trinaq]

From the pilot episode, when Tori kissed Beck to get back at Jade, I could understand why Jade would be so hostile towards Tori. Also, Beck seemed to enjoy getting Jade riled up, and they even got back together because he missed fighting with her.

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

Fr i hate dis man and jori for the win

[@Narra0002]

Fr, he sucks

[@tsuki3752]

i understand. i think it was unnecessary from her tho lol she would need to work on that if she gets w someone else

[@atlantica4009]

But are we forgetting that Jade was hostile towards her even before she kissed beck. Like when Tori accidentally spilled the coffee on beck, and wiped it off not knowing he had a girlfriend but immediately backed off when she found out he did. Then Jade deciding to make her act like a dog and spill coffee on her head. Jade may have a small reason to be hostile towards her after the kiss but it doesn’t excuse the hostility before it, Jade just was being plan mean for no reason.

[@Mr.Murasakino]

​@@atlantica4009 exactly people are too easy on jade and I could never understand why. I like her but she is hardly ever a victim.😂

[@Mskittenlover12]

To answer your question about Trina, she got back into Hollywood Arts because Tori's friends staged a mugging so that Trina, who has martial arts training, could save Helen from the mugging and Helen would be so grateful, she'd let Trina back in. Which shouldn't work but it's nickelodeon so of course it did.

[@lilil9752]

Beck made me feel he likes being in a toxic relationship in a strange way (purely personal interpretation) : he doesn’t want or know to be a good boyfriend therefore he gets with a toxic girl so people would say that he is way too good for her,that she doesn’t deserve him ,etc. which is why i think he decided to end the relationship when their friends told d them they are tired of both of them instead of just Jade, he went back after being rejected by Tori because he realized that with a healthy girl he’d actually have to put effort and he didn’t want it

[@plushdragonteddy]

oh damn i actually love this take

[@nelia7309]

Couldn’t agree more

[@kenfany1]

Woah

[@Inkcharm]

growing up is realizing Beck is more of a problem than the show pretends, because he absolutely welcomes and enables attention and flirtation his way, and while Jade is of course written as an over the topic toxic gf, it IS always left to her to establish that he has a girlfriend. The problem is, it's always depicted as Jade being unnecessarily territorial, with no focus being on Beck for passively welcoming the attention. Not saying Jade isn't behaving poorly often, but Beck absolutely knows about her insecurities and her bad buttons, and he either pushes on those, or lets others push on those.

[@REALLYLOVESCATS]

I've been WAITING for someone to cover this specific love triangle. It's so messy but so entertaining.

[@CinnamonsunTV]

I still don’t understand why they didn’t even give us a hint of Tori and Andre. That could’ve been a good episode since they have so much chemistry staying up late and writing and working on songs!! Even if it was cliche I still wish they would tease it

[@alexparra15]

And they have so many love duets and their chemistry is amazing 😍 Tori and Andre were a great match

[@katztoffelbrei6780]

Because of racism.

[@realestsienna]

@@katztoffelbrei6780girl … ☠️☠️ that has nun to do with it. and from what i’ve read, they were gonna be a thing but the show got cancelled.

[@katztoffelbrei6780]

@@realestsienna Did you watch the documentary about Dan Schneider?

[@19Rena96]

Because NOT EVERY FRIENDSHIP NEEDS TO ENVOLVE INTO SOMETHING ROMANTIC!

[@lovefromwonderland]

why didn't they just save us the trouble and just keep beck and jade together and paired tori and andre lol

[@Bookshelved_]

beck and tori have literally no chemistry, how did the writers ever think of shipping them

[@samjensen392]

Because they were two conventionally attractive people and one of them was the main character

[@hydeqyzy]

well they have more chemistry than beck/jade

[@BunniesSakura45]

​@@hydeqyzyno they don't, like at all.

[@hydeqyzy]

@@BunniesSakura45 literally everyone have more chemistry than beck/jade 💀

[@fayesversion]

I wonder if it felt weird for them on set bc victoria and avan were best friends irl when they were filming victorious?

[@clarinhac1r815]

the reality is that tori and andre made a lot more sense than all the other couples and ships in the series

[@OmarAyusoVA]

The way my seven year old self knew this and yet no one around me understood

[@ITEEZ-]

I honestly didn't see it cause they gave two friends with good chemistry who just really make fire music together 😭

[@JaxNovoa509]

Classic Tori/Andre shipper making unfunny jokes or dumb information to get likes.

[@clarinhac1r815]

@@JaxNovoa509 how can I say that I think they made sense as a couple is "dumb information"? It's not information, it's just an opinion

[@JaxNovoa509]

@@clarinhac1r815 Because they don't.

[@shootingstarssel4182]

Jade and Beck's relationship is toxic as Jade lets her insecurities, jealousy, and bad attitude affect her relationship with Beck. Jade gets jealous whenever another girl talks to Beck or interacts with him. Then there's the comment Jade makes that Beck can only be friends with "ugly" girls and gets violent towards him and can't trust him (which makes sense as Back doesn't set boundaries for himself when he interacts with other girls, as we see in the show). When they do break up, Jade still doesn't like Beck hanging out or dating other girls, and the first time they break up, she wants him back to the point she's desperate and does whatever she can to get Beck back, hell, Beck admitted that he's happy that they broke up as Jade isn't a good girlfriend or done anything nice for him. Then Jade's nasty attitude in general always ruins their moments when they are together as she makes snide comments, lets her anger get the best of her, and at times, they can't have a normal conversation without them getting into a fight or Jade just letting her attitude get the best of her. Beck isn't innocent either as he is too relaxed when other girls flirt with him, doesn't set healthy boundaries for himself for both his relationship with Jade and other girls that openly flirt with him, doesn't properly talk to Jade about their feelings, and to me seems jaded (pun intended) from their relationship since we first meet them seeing how Beck doesn't stop Jade from being mean at Tori or other people. In many episodes of Victorious, whether together or broken up, we know how many girls openly flirt with Beck while Jade is around. He does nothing to stop the girls or Beck and Jade from talking properly to each other about why Beck lets all these girls flirt and touch him when he knows Jade will get jealous or why Jade feels jealous and insecure when other girls flirt with Beck. Also, if Beck does all of that to get Jade jealous because he likes to see that is a giant red flag to me (it reminds me of that episode in Adventure Time when Finn loved it when the Ice King and the Flame Princess got into a fight and when the truth was revealed the Flame Princess broke up with him as he was using her for his pleasure when the fighting between the Ice King and Flame Princess could've ended badly). Beck also doesn't take responsibility when he flirts with other girls or in his relationship with Jade. It raises the question about how they first got together, seeing how Jade is this scary mean girl who terrifies everyone that they don't approach her. We have Beck, the school's heartthrob, with every girl, both inside and outside the school, flirting and drooling over him. Beck is indifferent, does not interact with them, and does not set up proper boundaries when it happens. So, who was the first to ask each other out? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised that Beck made a bet with someone to ask out Jade, which led to this.

[@KitsuneRokaku]

I shipped Jade and Tori much like I shipped Sam and Freddie. They have their similarities but bounce off each other in a different way. I know Seddie didn't work in the end which is fine by me but in my head, Jade and Tori went to college and ended up together.

[@DhaniNMarie]

To be honest I was a Creddie shipper which made even more sense due to Sam & Cat existing. Sam and Cat had more chemistry than Seddie or Robbie x Cat ever did.

[@KitsuneRokaku]

@@DhaniNMarie That's fair. Never thought of Sam and Cat as a pairing but it makes sense. It's cute.

[@DhaniNMarie]

​@@KitsuneRokakuThe "odd couple" type best friends of the same gender or characters of the same gender who share an extremely strong friendship always do that for me. Sam and Cat, Ami and Yumi from Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Cici and Rocky from Shake it Up, I can go on...

[@imauniryne6757]

I love cat and jade together

[@SupportGamin2024]

So you ship toxic relationships?

[@chrisworld1064]

The scene of the reality show ALWAYS pissed me offff!! Because you can clearly see that back is at school during the day and Tori’s was at nightt

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

I m not even a huge enemies to lovers fan but the chemistry and the dynamic between tori and jade beats bade in every way and it s honestly more interesting

[@camimoonlyx]

so trueee!!

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

@@camimoonlyx yeee

[@yeonjunyunjin]

so true. i really felt like they had insane tension

[@ITEEZ-]

Facts

[@iKillerZombie]

22:29 The fact that this actually fooled anyone in-universe is astounding considering Beck is in broad daylight and it’s nighttime out Tori’s window

[@JaxNovoa509]

Blame the writers and producers for their incompetence while making this scene.

[@myeeeeeh]

Also if you don’t remember why Trina was able to stay at Hollywood Arts, it’s because they staged a fake robbery where some guy tried to rob Helen but Trina saved her because she knew karate.

[@marieangels6]

It was Robbie

[@petalembrace7684]

I do not ship any of the ships from the triangle but I cannot deny the songs from the ships were amazing as 'You don't know me' and 'Take A Hint'.

[@user-z810]

lowkey andre and jade would've been so interesting if their relationship on the show was developed more lol

[@marieangels6]

Andre never actually liked Jade tho... He only had a short term crush... He got over it

[@bellamckenzie4433]

@@marieangels6No shit. Why are you saying this on every comment about Andre and Jade?? We know how the show went but people are allowed to have headcanons.

[@darwinbowman8512]

Ngl i was taken aback when she didn't start the video with "hello everyone. My name is Caitlin" 😂😂

[@GirlWhoDoesStuffxx]

at 27:05 I feel like that "You love making me jealous!" from Jade kinda clocked the tea of her and Beck's entire relationship..

[@DxByourMom]

I met Victoria justice and she asked me what my name was but I wasn't expecting her to talk to me so I just walked away lmao, but she's so beautiful in person it's insane

[@JordanS-ww4eu]

O.M.G. That’s awesome

[@_lady_melz]

This triangle is so weird because the Tori and Beck ship never really had a chance, so it never really lead to anything. I was definitely pro Tori and Andre, I know people like them as just friends but they had way better romance potential than Tori ever had with Beck. Also Beck is the worst, he had his fair share of instigating toxic situations in his relationship with Jade, but he seems to always blame it on Jade and acts like he didn’t do anything. Although Jade was also her worst self when she was with Beck, she was actually comparatively sweeter around Tori. It was just a really rough relationship and they should have stayed broken up. I also really disliked the hints at physical abuse in Jade and Beck‘s relationship.

[@royaldance26]

even though i did enjoy the whole video & commentary, calling the Jori ship as "lesbians" wounded me every time. it's so clear how bisexual they've set up both of the girls unironically, and honestly? Jade was such a bi icon for me before i even realized it at the time. so it'd be more accurate to call Jori as "sapphics" (the umbrella term for girls who like girls, without necessarily being lesbian) considering both parties hold(?) / held so much interest in Beck (even if it was entirely by the will of the writers) while the writing for Jade / Tori honestly writes itself.

[@_bebeboudeur_]

thank you for that!

[@Jade_West2010]

Nah Tori is definitely a compulsive hetero lol

[@propogandalf]

It doesn't make sense to talk about the will of the writers and then describe the characters as bisexual or sapphic because neither is in the official writing of the characters, only headcanon.

[@yeonjunyunjin]

i'm a lesbian but you're so right. the exclusion of bisexuals is so common and it bothers me.

[@bubbles4897]

A bi icon??? Jade wasn’t even bi. And who cares if people see them as lesbians or not? Both them bi or lesbian are not even canon so who cares??? God why do other bi women whine so fucking much once they hear the word lesbians???

[@neverlandnights]

Nobody will EVER convince me that this love triangle wasnt a direct result of nickelodeon refusing to have tori with Andre. (At least later in the show)

[@AraWinters]

I didn’t ship Jade and Tori for the same reason I didn’t ship Sam and Freddie: I hate the bully -> love interest trope. I cannot see bullying as love.

[@coralflorist]

I think Tori and Jade's dynamic would've been better if Tori had played more into the hate side. The hate was mostly one-sided, Jade had a lot more hostility towards Tori.

[@jerricaxxii]

your content feels so homey 😭 like the best rainy day, grab a snack material. thank you for making this!

[@SereneWindowBoxes-yp5ed]

Facts

[@incrediblekeenan1751]

Honestly knowing that all of the actors (half of which were underage) were getting drunk and high during the filming of this show kinda makes sense. Like almost none of these characters act like friends and have very toxic relationships with each other. Honestly it’s hard to imagine if any of them REALLY enjoyed working on this show because they were honestly taken advantage of by a creepy predator for a producer.

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

Pls the pat on the head when Jade wqs crying was so cute from tori too😭

[@Jade_West2010]

That was a moment of weakness that I’m pissed about!

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

@@Jade_West2010 well it s sweet u go to tori in ur moments of weakness

[@Jade_West2010]

@@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300 never call me sweet.

[@cazziesgriffin2047]

What makes me love Jade and Tori more is the fact Nickelodeon made a KZbin video on the ship and if they would be good together which basically confirms that what we saw of them being romantic is real

[@Jade_West2010]

You know I might have to break character for this one because I never saw the video in that way but now you got me thinking. That does actually confirm it and you just made my jori heart blow up.

[@mizzjones6004]

​@@Jade_West2010hey, what's the name of the video please?

[@Jade_West2010]

@@mizzjones6004 Just look up “Tori and Jade, bae or nae” or something like that. It’s on Nick’s official thing.

[@Bluebanisters_in_Arcadia]

​@@mizzjones6004should tori Vega date jade west ,bae or nae from Nick rewind Chanel

[@mizzjones6004]

@@Bluebanisters_in_Arcadia thank you so much!

[@lexi-io7no]

Honestly, Beck kissing Tori (literally cheating on jade right in front of her), Alisa Von situation, girls constantly touching him and openly flirting and him doing nothing, even kind of flirting back sometimes, their friends being the ones to tell girls he is taken instead of him saying it himself, I'm assuming he did drive a bunch of girls to school even when they were together, trying to get with Tori (again) while they were broken up the second time, constantly expressing he's unhappy with the relationship but getting back together because he finds it fun to fight with her (???), letting her walk out on him, never defending her even when she's the victim and just insulting her to their friends instead of ever taking her side, and much more fucked up stuff. All of that and he goes on to call her crazy, jealous and controlling, as if he hasn't given her every reason to be like that, dismissing her feelings each time he gives her a good reason to act that way (after already cheating on her). She might be overly aggressive but he literally made it clear that he likes that about her, then he proceeds to get upset and whine about it each time an argument (which starts because of HIM doing something wrong each time) occurs. They're both toxic, but if were picking sides, I'm with Jade. We also know that she's very traumatized and has some deep issues (which he probably knows of), surely she only acts like that out of love and fear of losing him, and still acts so careless and nonchalant about everything, as if she's just a crazy possessive chick for absolutely no reason. He doesn't even seem to care at all about her feelings, they just keep getting together because she keeps regretting leaving him then finding a random way to get him back, he says he loves her and the endless cycle continues. Jesus, i just wrote a paragraph about nickelodeon characters.

[@symwinter]

Victorious focusing on this stupid love triangle when Tori and Andre were RIGHT THERE will forever haunt me.

[@heatherg1296]

Honestly, I get your point in saying we are missing nuance is Becks dismissive "relax" response to Jade's anger in the coffee spill scene; That she has been very jealous for some time, but I feel like some of that context also falls back on Beck. Throughout the show Beck exbibits some questionable behavior in terms of loyalty and downplaying Jade's reaction to this. I mean in this episode alone he kisses another girl in a improv that seems completely unnecessary to need to follow through with, quite eagerly. He's also very comfortable receiving flirtatious remarks from numerous girls throughout the show without informing them of his girlfriend. It seems to be a consistent element of their relationship. I feel like Jade clearly crossed over into being controlling and unhealthy with her responses, but I think a huge chunk of that is a reaction to Beck constantly doing shady things with some level of deniable plausibility and basically gaslighting Jade and making her look crazy. I mean anyone would go crazy in those circumstances, but especially someone who has a pre-existing insecurity that is getting triggered constantly. I get it was probably suffocating to Beck to have to navigate all the time when it was irrational, but turning to basically getting back at your partner for that vulnerability is just sick.

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

The love me love me now cmon give tori a squeeze scene was so cute

[@Jade_West2010]

She is cute.

[@Jade_West2010]

AND I HATE CUTE THINGS

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

​@@Jade_West2010 pls ur everywhere

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

​@@Jade_West2010but i know u love tori

[@Jade_West2010]

@@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300 NO I DONT! Who told you this misinformation???

[@StockingzBladez]

my personal theory is that jade has untreated BPD and beck enables her paranoia and jealousy because he gets a weird kick out of it, making them become extremely toxic to each other

[@shayduncan7328]

Beck literally said in almost two years, he couldn’t remember the last time she did something nice for him. I mean think about it, they were together for nearly TWO YEARS, & Jade literally has done NOTHING for her in all the time they were together!!! How sad is that?! For me that speaks volumes because to me, that basically means Jade obviously doesn’t appreciate having Beck in her life, not mention how incredibly jealous she becomes, whenever Beck is associating with another girl. To me it seems like Jade views Beck as her property as opposed her significant other.

[@DarlingL-zt3fo]

I think it has more to do with her upbringing, she wasn't raised in a loving/affectionate home so she didn't know how to express it. She gave him lemonade for his birthday cause he liked it and she really thought that was being nice. Until Tori made clear it wasn't. Throughout the show you see she cares allot for him and because of her abonndement issues she is very scared of loosing him hence why she is possive.

[@shayduncan7328]

@@DarlingL-zt3fo I guess you make a point there, but if you ask me, Jade doesn’t need a boyfriend, she needs a psychologist!!!!

[@DarlingL-zt3fo]

@@shayduncan7328 That I agree, it's sad kid shows never show characters with problems get help but instead villanize them or a joke

[@shayduncan7328]

@@DarlingL-zt3fo I totally agree with you

[@madog61]

Personal opinion Shouldnt have BEEN a triangle André AMD Tori should have BEEN goals ALSO BECK IS THE PROBLEM NOT JADE BECK IS ALWAYS FLIRTING WITH ALL THE GIRLS SÓ OBVIOUSLY SHES ON DEFENSE

[@smr6141]

Beck isn’t completely innocent either. They’re both terrible for each other.

[@madog61]

@@smr6141 its becks fault she is the way she is

[@OmarAyusoVA]

Tori and Andre were everything to me growing up

[@PixieSnt]

The light is actually so comforting ☺️

[@spencerbannon4298]

Why did everyone in my school think Jade and Beck were couples goals when they were so incredibly toxic all the time

[@jackpearce367]

Admittedly Jori is kinda sour on me after the bush daisy fiasco. Honestly that episode in general. Jade could’ve legitimately harmed Tori and it’s just hard for me to ship them after that

[@totaldramasimmer1]

Same. That's why I don't ship them. I find it funny how people (rightfully) called Beck and Jade toxic yet they ship Tori and Jade even though Jade put Tori's life at risk in that episode

[@jackpearce367]

@@totaldramasimmer1 also you’re a total drama fan? Wild I am too

[@Jade_West2010]

I didn’t know it was lethal. I thought she would blow up like a balloon! (Nah, I can’t actually speak for the character-)

[@jackpearce367]

@@Jade_West2010 whatever you say Jade

[@soph5976]

@@Jade_West2010 it's ok queen i support ur rights and wrongs

[@justarandomsquirrel]

as a kid i was always disappointed that nothing happened between andre and tori. i thought they'd be so cute together considering he was her ride or die from day 1. i later realised how strange it was that he never actually got paired with someone in the main cast or had a long-term relationship. either way they made WAY more sense to me in my head than tori and beck.

[@VanessaSamuels-v5x]

Tori and jade had perfect chemistry but I think tori also had chemistry with André

[@izzywoods794]

Everyone had chemistry with Andre

[@VanessaSamuels-v5x]

@@izzywoods794 yeah he’s cute

[@ericmabry1752]

Honestly I think Tori and Beck would work way better as just really close friends. I think their relationship would be a lot more meaningful if it was platonic cause not only would it show that a girl and boy can be friends with each other without it being inherently romantic, but it would also make Beck's actions (like in 52:00 and 31:00) a lot more impactful because even though their just friends, he would still go far out of his way to help/comfort Tori

[@ceelothatmane9421]

⁠the reason they never put Andre with any of the main characters is the undatable bipoc trope. Where there’s an even number in the group, but they never put the token black character with any of them. This goes all the way back to Zoey101. Makes room for Drama within a triangle where two girls fight for the one cute guy. Even Robbie got a girl.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

I do feel bad that I still write fan fiction about Victorious considering how much harm the writers, cast, and crew went through. It is difficult to part from it completely considering that it did make an impact.

[@izzywoods794]

If you feel bad, stop. This comment comes across as if you were looking for someone to soothe your worries

[@gamemaster9612]

I mean, the cast have never said that they were "harmed" by the show. The most is Daniella Monet saying she didn't like the sexual innuendos, but that she still thinks the show was mostly wholesome. So yeah, i don't think there's anything to feel sorry for.

[@yeonjunyunjin]

if you truly felt bad you would stop...

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

@@yeonjunyunjin at this point it is about m wanting to finish a story, but I don’t go back to it as much as I used to and focus on stories that I am more passionate about and feel less guilt over. It was also my poor way of using a personal example of seeing how a show can have a big impact on people and how we may feel complicit in the harm being caused because we enjoyed it. And just because of my poorly worded comment does not mean I am against anyone who does like this show and its characters.

[@bluecheese7447]

As much as I love the platonic opposite sex friendship rep Tori & Andre really could’ve been THAT couple

[@michellecrocker2485]

If you ask me, I have to say that the show wasted a lot of opportunities. If they weren’t going to make Andre and Tori a thing given the chemistry between the characters, they should have gotten Beck out of that toxic relationship he had with Jade and have him go out with Tori, who he obviously liked better

[@izzywoods794]

But then where would Jade’s character be? She was a fan fav and her dynamic in the group would’ve been nonexistent

[@michellecrocker2485]

@@izzywoods794 she. could have ended up with someone more compatible.

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

Bori s such a funny shipname

[@_bebeboudeur_]

i always hear it as "boring" :')

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

@@_bebeboudeur_ pls haha i mean it fits😭💀

[@sholomoone]

and to think at age 9 i used to think jade and beck were the epitome of love and wanted a relationship just like theirs is so crazy

[@imauniryne6757]

Same and I literally had them as my pfp in 2020 me being 19 almost 20 their relationship is chaotic the way beck let girls flirt with him and never tell them that he has a girlfriend

[@izzywoods794]

32:24 you made such a good point!😮 jade pushing tori versus beck covering for her. This floored me

[@OmarAyusoVA]

Honestly I never shipped Beck and Tori or Beck and Jade as a child. I only cared for Tori and Andre the whole series. Now that I'm older I realize Beck and Jade are just that relationship you stay in when you're young because you've gotten used to it and the idea of being single again scares you. It's just the kind of relationship where you are in it because you feel uncomfortable with the idea of change and have your life too enmeshed with the other person to fully leave.

[@Eva.Cullen44]

ALL I NEED IS A JACK AND KIM SHIP VIDEO AND MY LIFE IS COMPLETE

[@elitettelbach4247]

Jori is by far the superior side of this love triangle! Great breakdown and analysis.

[@Jade_West2010]

No it isn’t!!!!

[@DanielOrme]

Isn't it a rule in romantic comedies that the couple who fight on their first meeting must end up falling in love with each other? And it's not just that Tori & Jade have soooo much chemistry together. There are so many scenes and situations (all of which you point out so well!) that no one will ever convince me that we weren't supposed to ship them. Keep pushing that lesbian agenda, straight woman! 😎

[@___o1799]

Beck sounds like one of those guys who provokes chihuahuas and films it for Tiktok

[@LeticiaF_3.14]

I don't know if Beck necessarily wanted a difficult, argumentative person to date as much as he just didn't want a total yes-man who pretended to have the exact same opinions as him like Meredith did. Like, I always wondered, would he have come to the same conclusion if he had gone on a date with someone who was _normal?_ And honest with him? I understand that the writers needed Meredith to be the extreme opposite of Jade, serving as the foil that would get Beck and Jade back together, but man. It kinda felt like that scene was saying that Beck's options were someone like Meredith or someone like Jade with no in-between which just isn't the case. If that's how Beck really feels, then alright, that's his prerogative, but the whole thing with Meredith always bothered me. Just felt like a slightly convoluted writing thing. I always did like the not-quite-friendship between Jade and Tori. I like that Tori, despite everything, cared about Jade and respected her. And Jade, despite being so prickly, couldn't help but have some respect for her in return. In a way, I actually liked the love triangle but specifically because I always liked that Tori and Beck never got together even though they did feel attracted to each other-to me, it was a nice subversion of the "Nice protagonist gets the guy who was dating the mean girl" trope, and I love how Jade and Tori's friendship came out stronger as a result.

[@nicholasaltieri4151]

Icarly the love triangle between Sam Freddie and Carly

[@heavysweet14]

Hey caitlin i don’t know if you’ll read this but i have some love story suggestions for you: skye/sean/ben (the lodge) quinn and logan (zoey 101) luz and amity (the owl house) miley/jesse/jake (hannah montana) hanna and caleb (pretty little liars)

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

"Quinn and Logan." Damn, that brings back memories.

[@nelia7309]

Omgggg I remember the lodge 🥺

[@astridmyst]

I have watched so many deep dives into this love triangle and I will continue to watch many more XD It's always interesting to hear different thoughts about it.

[@chrissymariee3]

the prom episode, Tori and Jade’s dresses are basically the same dresses in different colors 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

[@neivilde.1242]

i know they never would've made a queer storyline on the show, and that they were actively trying to be anti-ship to not deal with the stuff they did with icarly, but in the imaginary scenario where i have a time machine as well as a mind control machine to force everyone to adhere to my vision lmao, i would've done something like, after the jade and beck break up, their relationship actually gets better like as friends, we see them be better friends than they ever have been a couple, like she has a moment like the one in the clinic where she realizes she has nothing to be jealous over. meanwhile i would keep whatever beck and tori moments, like push the attraction a bit. then i would add a tori and jade sidequest, that shows how well they work together, like their dynamic, like the date episode. and so how i would start a big storyline, i would have jade and tori arguing for some reason, and tori being like why do you hate me i am nothing but nice to you, and jade being like ur so annoying and perfect all the timehave one of those classic screaming matches that ends with jade kissing her. then they move apart, and tori says like "woah" and jade freaks out and leaves, with tori too stunned to move and the the episode ends there lmao. then for some reason i picture jade going to beck to talk and freak out (again in my scenario now they're friends) like gah i kissed tori what the hell, and meanwhile we get tori talking it through with andre, and like the scene would cut between the two conversations. and i think jade would come to the acceptance that she likes girls pretty quickly, i always saw her as bi, but she could be gay, it really doesn't matter. i would adjust for it regarding her past relationship with beck depending on which is it, but ultimately it wouldn't affect anything. the girls would be awkward/avoiding each other though, and like everyone would feel how weird it is, but i think their friends would make them talk through it. there are a lot of things that we could do, like we could play up the love triangle except this time its beck and jade both having feelings for tori and her not knowing what to do, and meanwhile beck and jade being friends but also competing and it gets intense cuz they know hoe the other plays. or we could have like one of those where jade realizes she has feelings for tori obviously and decides to tell her, but before she can, tori says something that makes her think she doesn't have a chance so she doesn't say anything and just goes along with it. classic miscommunication. or tori could be the one who is ready like after the kiss to explore things with jade, but jade is the one who like pushes her away before she can admit anything. the world is our oyster. but i think ultimately they would get together, jade and tori i mean, and everyone would support it and it'd be really cute. and after they get together, i'd have them have cute couple moments after, cuz too many times have i seen a couple get together and not have anything change lmao. and for beck i have a hot take, well not so hot cuz i stole it from quinton reviews lmao, but i think since beck likes a girl who fights back and has her own opinion, he could def have a thing with trina. i kinda picture it like that one episode of shake it up where ty goes on a date with tinka at first because he is paid to but actually ends up liking who she is after getting to know her, like he would spend time with her one on one and realize that she is awesome actually and they have a lot in common, i think they would be really cute for a little while. anyway all that to say, would've been super easy to make tori and jade a thing lmao

[@shakibzz]

I was so with you until you said beck and Tori get together?? Why not jade after all that lol

[@neivilde.1242]

@@shakibzz i said beck and trina, not tori haha, the whole point is that tori and jade get together in my scenario

[@neivilde.1242]

@@shakibzz i do see now i have a typo lmao, fixed it!!!

[@shakibzz]

@@neivilde.1242 AH gotcha, beautiful. Yes I love your scenario & I can 100% see it all happening!

[@hxavens4227]

i love ittt

[@JayeKisses]

5:33 my question since day one was “Y did Tori just sit there & take?” I would have gotten up the moment she grabbed the cup & said “No! Don’t u dare pour anything on me”

[@cuka2cool_748]

Tandre was always my fave never understood why it wasn’t a thing

[@squidwardtentacles7144]

Honestly, I hate to be a downer towards this video (don't worry not the video itself), but I just can't bring myself to ship Jade and Tori. It's the same with Sam and Freddie. I used to love Seddie as a child but now looking back I can see that not only were they toxic, but Sam was really abusive toward Freddie before and during their relationship. And I see no difference when it comes to Jade. After some reflection, I can conclude that I genuinely don't like either character. They're so rude and disrespectful and do some very out-of-pocket things that I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy them. I love Jade's aesthetic and the bisexual energy that she exudes, but my likeness for her ends there as I can't support her actions and therefore can't support her or any ship she's in. She was a straight-up bully to Tori and I just can't see past that enough to ship them. Doesn't help that I hate bully romances. No hate to the people that do ship them; you're entitled to ship who you want and if Jade didn't do all those nasty things to Tori I would've shipped them too because I'm not blind; they are the superior and far more interesting ship.

[@TheVoiceinTheDarkness]

A true love triangle with gayness the best kind of love story.

[@Jade_West2010]

For real. Edit: WAIT

[@RavenTheHalfDemon]

I never like Jade/Beck together. They are a little toxic for each other. Beck let`s girls flirt with him when he`s with Jade and instead of talking about it nicely, Jade screams at him. She`s way too jealous for him.

[@PDXKing99]

Growing up with the show it always annoyed me how much chemistry Tori and Andre had but they never got together. Like to me I thought it was obvious but no the show had to do a stupid love triangle and Tori,Beck and Jade instead of fixing Beck and Jade’s relationship

[@gillianm7415]

As a theatre major, I have a few oppositions on some of the points against Beck at the beginning. When he agreed to kiss Tori during the improv game, a lot of people use that as a point of him being toxic. Listen, in improv, it's a rule to say yes to everything (they literally have an episode in the last season for that). He can't just say no in the exercise, especially since Beck's main thing is acting and he takes it seriously. Given, he could have been creative on not doing it without saying no, but I can't fault him for saying yes to it. The last point you brought up was her saying "Whoa," to that scene in the musical. While we could say maybe it's her dealing with her feelings for Beck, I can say that sometimes when you rehearse scenes like this, sometimes you finally feel the emotions in the scene, even when you’ve rehearsed it before. It takes a bit to finally get into your characters and when you have that breakthrough, it can hit but maybe that's what I've seen 😂. But I will agree with the rest of Beck's points of not being a good boyfriend to Jade. Idk, this love triangle is so weird to dissect, you know. But I do agree - Jade and Tori had much better chemistry than the other combos 😂

[@ghostinthecity]

Of course we can call him toxic for that 💀 you can easily move the scene along without ruining the flow by going 'let's do jumping jacks'. It's not like they're leads in a play and the teacher has written a kiss in.

[@negligible_reality]

Absolutely not because I was also in theater for many years and we were taught that you actually CAN say no to things during improv (especially if it's something that you are genuinely uncomfortable with or you deem to be inappropriate or crossing a boundary) while still progressing the scene along. He could have easily shut her down and rejected the kiss without ruining the scene but he didn't, which clearly says that he wanted it to happen. The fact that it's improv doesn't really save him or negate the criticism for his actions in that scene.

[@wooloosus6866]

I swear, watching Victorious at the same time as Glee was just such a mistake, because WHY did I end up shipping the two girls in a love triangle in BOTH shows?

[@DhaniNMarie]

Proud Jade and Tori shipper since 2012 here 😂 Speaking of childhood ships, please please PLEAAASEEE do a video on Cartoon Network's Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi. To many people it's another forgettable show but for Gen Z lesbians it is the first time we saw a friendship that obviously seemed more than just a friendship. I mean, the way they would hug each other and hold hands still lives rent free in my brain. The show isn't on streaming but all the episodes are easily available online. If Cartoon Network's insta and tiktok won't acknowledge them for pride month I feel bad for them because this ship predates Bubbline and anything Steven Universe has done.

[@Jade_West2010]

NOT ANOTHER ONE

[@fusetunes]

honestly i think this would be cool as a mega cartoon ship video that covers cn pairings cause there are so many. i know them all pretty well but it would be fun to see someone actually talk about it comprehensively! although i think ami and yumi are based on real people so maybe that’s why cn hasn’t mentioned them?

[@DhaniNMarie]

​@@fusetunesThey mentioned the Andre 3000 show on a KZbin livestream for black history month as well on tiktok so...

[@puglove533]

​@@fusetunesThe show is based off the J-pop band/duo Puffy AmiYumi with Ami Onuki and Yumi Yoshiumura singing

[@negligible_reality]

To be fair though the characters in that show were based on real people which makes shipping them a bit awkward for many reasons (including having to make assumptions about their sexuality and identity), and the ship isn't canon either so it's not quite on the same level as things that came later like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, etc. I can definitely see why people would ship it and be fond of the pairing though.

[@UNSAMU3L]

I always thought some of the weird situations and fetishes in this show are Dan Schneider way of dealing with how he would act irl idk I js think Dan & Robbie/Rex are weird and disgusting 😭

[@_bebeboudeur_]

that and the situation with tori and trina in the car, tori basically got trina's feet in her mouth?? ew

[@reachaheart9170]

I've never seen a single episode of this show (I heard about it, of course, but that's it), as I didn't have Nickelodeon growing up. But I really love this channel and the way Caitlin investigates these relationships, so I'm watching anyway. I just wanted to say that a little bit of background on the show's plot was very much appreciated, thank you 😂

[@tannie375]

That point you made about how same gendered duos arent as accepted to get shipped is sooooo real. I was thinking about the Arthur and merlin ships, and if merlin or arthur was a girl, everyone would be okay with shipping them and wouldnt make it such a big deal😭

[@HobieInTheBox]

So basically classic homophobia

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

People object to Merlin and Arthur?! I thought people shipping them made up 80% of the show's audience!

[@HobieInTheBox]

@@PassTheMarmalade1957 it could very well be still a large portion but there is still a large portion of straight, non queer interested people that typically don't have queer ships. Or participate in shipping culture at all, that would object

[@beneesodeinde5170]

I mean duh homophobia 😂 and tbf that ship isn’t a great example because a lot of people in the fandom have said that they only ship them because they struggle to see Guinevere (played by a black actress) as desirable and so it makes more sense for him to be with literally anyone else which is an issue of racism

[@AznYunHou]

35:47 I believe Trina did martial arts to be able to get back into the school saving Helen

[@josf9616]

Girl your hair is SO CUTE!! And i love the victorious vid!

[@leigh3693]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who watched this show and lowkey thought Beck was a bad boyfriend. He was always passively allowing other girls to come onto him, or leaning in to Jade’s insecurities. Like, Jade had issues, but as the guy who decided to be her partner, Beck had no interest in helping her work through them. (And he was kind of a passive character in general.)

[@isabellafogal3244]

Tori deserves Andre. They are perfect for each other.

[@JaxNovoa509]

🤢

[@Mothworx]

Hate when people act like Jade’s jealousy is somehow unfounded when all Beck ever does is show exactly why she has every right to not trust him. Granted, she absolutely should have left his bum ass long before Tori ever showed up at the school, but still

[@starlight4065]

Before I even knew what shipping was I REALLY wanted Andre and Tori to just KISSS!!!!

[@JaxNovoa509]

Your wish almost came true, had the show been renewed for a Season 5.

[@starlight4065]

@@JaxNovoa509 Ah! My inner child would’ve loved that to see them get together

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

Pls when Jade goest to tori s house when s upset😭it s the moments when she was soft w her for me haha

[@Jade_West2010]

Ew I’m not “soft” for Vega I just like using her… Also because she’s..nice I guess.

[@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300]

@@Jade_West2010 riiight

[@Jade_West2010]

@@gameplayezssoiinnychgier300 Yeah. Right. Now get lost.