The Most Useless Character in Smash

[@CONEYZZ]

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[@boot-4704]

No 👍

[@Redkips]

Nuh uh

[@crashveretia8046]

*ahem* NO.

[@GreatestBit]

Get that bag Coney

[@leifa.1513]

thank you, coney!!

[@wumbojet]

There's something extremely funny about coney, having played brawl at such a high level, not knowing if Charizard is good or not because he just chain grabbed him and payed 0 attention.

[@eeveewithcoffee9554]

That’s literally King Dedede brain. This character is bad because I can grab him and he dies. Or this character is good because I can’t grab him twice

[@jjslide1]

paid commenter

[@wumbojet]

@@jjslide1 I wish

[@hunterferrell6636]

Top 20 brawl player in the world, btw

[@XylessBrawl]

I PLAYED Pokémon Trainer and Charizard was kinda a weird character to place since he was bad against good characters but was ok in some MUs. He's still probably low tier though, but at the top of it. We also never really rated the individual Pokémon in tier lists because switching was NECESSARY. Otherwise Ivysaur would've been the worst character.

[@joemcstinky]

turned an 8 minute video into a 19 minute react, that's my streamer

[@JerichoTheCity]

Creators create.

[@shadowofdimentio4618]

I'll take it over making an 8 minute video an 8 minute video. I'm here because I wanna watch Coney see the video I've already seen

[@bombyman84]

That's my streamer GENUINELY, I don't normally like react content but coney does it transformatively enough and actually has something to say beyond the bare minimum "lol that's funny/true"

[@Lucarijoe]

Cinema

[@HmmBearGrr]

i am skipping NO ads either

[@bulb9970]

"If I throw a toaster in a bathtub, the toaster dies, the water doesn't die"

[@Voidling242]

volume difference

[@Sugarist0]

if there was a turtle in there the turtle also dies tho

[@serpentmaster1323]

Coney is confusing the toaster for the electricity in the toaster. *Electric* types aren’t *machine* types. *They’re using electricity itself to attack.* and almost always they’re not powered by it, they generate it. And when they do consume it, they usually consume it to spit it back at you, not to sustain themselves.

[@hp8167]

Theres something funny about the way Coney dropped the fact that people may or may not have come over to his house to do heroin and then immediately pivoted away to "Brawl was a weird time".

[@splish8869]

Dad lore dropping before moving on to the next subject

[@bradfjord]

My Project M era involved a non-zero amount of research chemicals. Imagine the Coney Island Disco Palace though holy shit

[@loganwiseman7828]

11:11 “explain eels” has to be one of the wildest demands one man could ever make of another

[@Mika_TailVods]

Hey Coney! I'm the tail lover you mentioned in the video! I'm still around, I still love tails, and I'm a Vtuber now! Thanks for remembering me even if you might find me cringe!

[@aBlackMage]

I love when people are unapologetically enthusiastic about their niche special interests -- tails are pretty cool! Keep doing you, bud :)

[@CONEYZZ]

shine on you bright star

[@Hero-109]

I only play Sf6 to use your Pokémon mods. This is a crazy crossover

[@thatoneguy9582]

i am incredibly surprised that your avatar doesn’t have a massive fuckin tail i wouldve wanted to have one, personally

[@Mika_TailVods]

@@thatoneguy9582 hey my avatars tail is about as long as he is tall! And it's quite thick! Relative size is important, I think it's quite large!

[@GenericUser860]

Holy shit, I know TailLover, but from a different community! They make mods for Risk of Rain 2, all of which are skins for characters, and all the skins are of characters from other games that have tails. The description of all of their mods include that they have tail physics. The first mod they uploaded was one that increased the tail length for the one character in the game that naturally has a tail. They even made a mod for Mewtwo and Mega Charizard. Very funny to hear their name brought up when I've seen that name somewhat frequently when browsing for new skins on the Risk of Rain 2 mod app.

[@Mika_TailVods]

Thanks for liking my mods!

[@GenericUser860]

@@Mika_TailVods I love you. Your obsession with tails is beautiful.

[@alexshafer7374]

@@Mika_TailVods Unironically, keep being you. You're based af.

[@ProbablyBarney]

i need you to understand that tail lover is EVERYWHERE. a couple years back i was telling my (then at the time) gf about this one rivals workshop community member who's only gimmick is talking about tails, but she brought up that he's also in an MTG arena discord she moderates, in which he's also notable for non-stop discussing tails. the guy has one gimmick and everyone loves him

[@AxolotlDreams-u-]

@@Mika_TailVods I had a sneaking suspicion it was the same guy in the Gigantic discord. My god you're prolific.

[@andrewroes7942]

I'm glad "Who is making a tier list about which tail is- oh its tail lover" is a universal smash experience

[@Mika_TailVods]

I'm just doing my part to respect an underappreciated part of character design ya know

[@pooperdooper3576]

​@Mika_TailVods no way 💀

[@Xanek]

3:48 Coney wants to act up for Charizard

[@sonicg8957]

Especially with those sounds he was making, and licking his lips…

[@WoopahNova]

the guy at 9:24 saying Marth Dolphin Slash does water damage stole the show I'm not gonna lie

[@man-ku1pc]

I never knew his up b was called that

[@Aidswayz]

1:04 Raid is so strong it caused Coney to freeze even before the ad started

[@JerichoTheCity]

We can definitely tell when an ad read is for rent or for fun.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

And let me tell you. He was having fun recording this one.

[@Dawnleaf]

Sometimes I let SponsorBlock do its thing I went back specifically to see the ad read Wasn't disappointed

[@trey3158]

Honestly the first time I've felt entertained during an ad read for that company

[@alexonstott4954]

I was just thinking about how Coney is the only guy who can find a way to take a lot of money from shitty companies without actually pissing anyone off at all 😂

[@SquidlingTM]

I love how we’ve gone far enough into the Coney Contentverse that a Coney viewer creates the content for Coney to react which creates content which is then used in the viewers’ content for Coney to react to and the cycle will continue until the sun explodes.

[@FranklinODonnel]

react wars level of coney content continuity

[@Havnktxffbjkknn]

I hope someday Coney finds it in his heart to forgive Brawlternative for his blunders

[@Magic_Ice]

17:48 GIANT IVYSAUR

[@FreddeGreddeMusic]

But honestly though, and I know no one will even read this, but if Ivysaur was super buffed, like, the strongest character in the game, it would be an AWESOME mechanic if he was really weak to fire to balance it out! You'd have to counter-pick with a fiery character.

[@WarrenValion]

Water conducts electricity and water type Pokemon are not pure water, they're animals. The water type nature of that animal would conduct the electricity, making it more damaging. So in the analogy, the pokemon is toaster and their element is the water.

[@FalseHerald]

Of course a toaster would die in the water, it's steel/fire.

[@soulnae4560]

@@FalseHeraldin a rare case the toaster could be dragon

[@IAmGalaxian-bi6co]

@@soulnae4560Mega Toaster X

[@DRKUMARADIO]

I love how Coney talks crap on Brawlternative like an older brother talking crap on their sibling

[@Yvs8962]

15:13 CONEY REALLY LOVES TO EDGE 😂😂😂

[@nnoxx_PK]

I watch every brawlternative 3 times, original upload, coney stream, and coney video

[@DoMorrMusic]

as compensation, they Ivysaur BUSTED in ultimate edit: made*

[@RJ-bp5sp]

They WHAT?!

[@ckarrot2067]

Ivysaur what now?

[@no-bc4jl]

And it took 10 years too

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

He did what in his ultimate????

[@rotemzoe]

No silly Coney, Ivysaur is not dogwater he's doggrass (It was funnier in my head)

[@SRM13]

The parenthesis make this even worse you should actually be ashamed of yourself. If ur gonna type a shitty joke stick to, don't try to be like (ha hah lol I KNOW this joke is bad hah hah) be cringe proudly

[@rotemzoe]

​@@SRM13 sorry :(

[@antorequiem1205]

10:59 coney water conducts electricity therefore it's more effective

[@OS_Erol]

Uhm Ahksualy 🤓 ☝️ Only water with enough ions in it conducts electricity and if water pokemon generate water from whats basically magic and not a natural source where minerals and ions are absorbed by the water from surrounding rock, that water should technically be completely pure without ions in it meaning it wouldnt conduct electricity

[@spatialreverberation9066]

the tone change when Coney started talking about his crew was great

[@charlie-be2kp]

taillover also made skin mods for risk of rain 2. they have 26 different mods that turn the characters into various pokemon and every one has the phrase "has tail physics" in the description

[@byrontheusurper6505]

5:04 the percentage that makes fighterz players shiver!

[@theotherjared9824]

Stamina should come back as an optional universal mechanic. When turned on, everyone slows down and deals less damage the longer they last on a single stock. It would make for some interesting custom games.

[@moonbeam2730]

ivysaur being weak to like everything is actually very faithful to the pokemon games!

[@austinfletchermusic]

I think TailLover is on the socials now, still doing what they always do. Uh, good for them I guess

[@Mika_TailVods]

I'm also a Vtuber now!

[@austinfletchermusic]

@@Mika_TailVods Oh shit it's you! Well, cool for you man I respect the dedication

[@Jayiv863]

The reason behind the water electric thing is that water can be a conductor of electricity

[@icegod4849]

3:36 in rushdown revolt there actually is a character, Reina, who implements the switching mechanic very well and shes quite fun

[@ph1lny3]

Air release jank is a worthwhile bit of Brawl content. It was one of the things that MK was actually pretty susceptible to, with characters like Marth and Sheik having some good kill confirms with it. Oh, and Platform canceling on Smashville. Also footstool banana infinites

[@andymcclurg9916]

I never thought I'd be regular enough of a viewer to hear repeat bits like "water > electric" and having Brawl tech I already knew explained again

[@michaelkarim57]

Coney should frame a picture of giant Ivysaur behind the camera

[@YukonJon]

Big ups for consistently reacting to Brawlternative’s stuff. I usually think reaction content is exploitative and it seems like he got the algorithm on lock from the get go, but he’s almost at 50k subs already and your audience is a big boost!

[@LunaticJ]

Brawlternative was made for Coney and I’m here for it

[@Hon3yWa5p]

Coney. The reason Electricity beats Water in pokemon typing is because Water is a conductor for electricity, meaning that if this type match-up happened in real life it would result in electricity traveling through the water back into the pokemon that fired said water and boiling it alive. As for why the toaster "Loses" to a bathtub. The electricity in the toaster isn't the thing losing, it's the components within the toaster mechanically failing to withstand the amount of electricity being discharged when water enters its system. If you put a fully conductive energized material in a bathtub it would result in the tub boiling away into steam eventually.

[@Excellsion]

I'm kind of impressed RAID is only just now doing their version of Son Wukong.

[@smollmoth6376]

The reason why water is weak to electric is the same reason ground is immune to electric conductivity. Im no science person so i cant really go into detail about it so uh yeah

[@mettatonex7221]

The funny thing is, with the introduction of Piranha Plant, Ultimate could have had an entire other character based around grass attacks, except there are no grass attacks in Ultimate. All of Ivysaurs moves are treated as normal attacks, and any attack of Piranha Plant that uses its leaves are slash attacks (as are all of its biting attacks). There have been a lot of water attacks added since Squirtle, but not as many as you would think. You'd think Greninja's kunai attacks as well as Water Shuriken would be considered water, but they're just slash attacks. But hey, at least Isabelle can dowse fire with her water bucket... ha ha ha... Also, while I'm on the topic of attack effects, they made an entirely new attack effect exclusive to Sephiroth's Scintilla, named as such.

[@theturtleking2454]

If you throw a toaster in the bathtub, the water got electrified. The whole bathtub is electric. You don’t think “oh, the electricity got watered.” Electricity wins

[@boogbug8244]

15:45 this reminds me of riptoe in spyro: enter the dragonfly and how big his face gets while talking.

[@KingKalashnikov]

coney bashing PM Ivysaur and, in the same breath, praising PM Wario is hilarious considering they were both designed/balanced by the same dude lmao. shoutouts reflex.

[@Caw50]

Coney misses the way people used to edge 😩

[@Athesies]

Ivysaur resisting electric and the other 2 being slightly weak to it would be a really cool bit of balancing and depth to the character imo

[@Ick.-]

10:51 I thought this was dumb until the toaster analogy, and now I can’t see it any other way.

[@exeggudragon8885]

10:50 Coney with that logic all pokemon are weak water as they are almost all weak to drowning... bathtubs OP

[@crawlinggoose]

3:51 Coney's expression scares me.

[@crashveretia8046]

raid shadow legends ad ends at 2:55 thank me later

[@bojacxfanren]

11:29 it's so funny how grass is still only ivysaur even in Ultimate

[@hyperventalated]

Him making his subscribe call to action like a banner ad for a sitcom is fantastic lmao

[@natecgames4612]

Most water type pokemon are based on things that live in water and or have a surplus of water in their anatomy. Since electricity has an easier time going through water , naturally, the types most affected by it would be things that live in large bodies of water, which is most water types.

[@Techstrobe]

fun fact, Brawl Ivysaur is one of the best solo characters for single player speedruns, not entirely useless.

[@saxeladude]

10:45 I agree pokemon typings make no sense but thematically electricity beating water makes sense reason being that 1 what happens when electricity hits water is super conductive and short circuits I would imagine in pokemon this would be like the water type takes a lot of damage and the electric type loses it's electric status. 2 scientifically it's not the water that conducts the electricity but minerals such as salt in it in pure water you may be right but more likely they would negate each other. it's like the arguement of whether fire or ice is stronger cause fire melts ice but the process of ice melting can suff out fires

[@LexiBelleGaming]

Coney's water/electric analogy makes me think he has never seen a single water type Pokemon.

[@Saltyoven]

Imagine if Ivysaur also had an electric resistance too

[@joshpare5012]

Short form: if you give a pool of water enough energy it blows up Your toaster analogy doesn’t work cause of breakers in your house so it doesn’t start electrocute the entire house burning away the wire and starting your house on fire.

[@saxeladude]

12:05 bro looks like john travolta when he's confused

[@vacuous_space]

1:04 coneygasm

[@BruoBrno]

?

[@mropti6350]

I REMEMBER TAIL LOVER, they were also chilling in Rivals streams of course. I miss them.

[@Palozon]

Boy I sure am interested in this hit mobile videogame RAID: Shadow Legends! Thank you Mr. Coney for exposing this hidden gem of a game and thank you Mr. Shadow for funding this react stream

[@Snoopdob615]

Imagine a lightning bolt hits water, the lightning bolt is now amplified

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Sakurai said "Bet" and then made Ivysaur the best of the three in Ultimate

[@byrontheusurper6505]

If ultimate ivysaur was its own character I'd play the SHIT outta that, ultimate ivy feels SO GOOD!

[@samdilophosaur9787]

10:24 Lucas fsmash uses a stick. There’s a Pokemon move called stick poke

[@relaxation_and_tax_evasion]

I think coney makes a very good toaster vs water argument

[@crawlinggoose]

the Piplup and Chikorita pokemon I believe do water and grass damage respectively, but those are non-factors in comp.

[@djk1563]

The way coney reads sponsors makes me think he dreams of being an actor in insurance adds.

[@EquinoxDoodles]

Ain't no way I'm hearing about Tail Lover AGAIN

[@Crazy56U]

0:24 I think Coney forgot to cut this part out of the video, he broke kayfabe.

[@NeutralOfficial]

Mika tail lover mentioned, coney redeemed for the platfighter tierlist

[@ShratTheMighty]

electricity doesn't conduct water, but water conducts electricity

[@PanelTouch]

Water type Pokemon for the most part are not made of water. They simply wield it. They have other organs but as they interact with water a lot, they would be highly conductive. This probably wouldn't be very healthy for the organs in their bodies.

[@DoctorFlux]

Taillover99 also invaded Rivals of Aether and workshop community

[@Shradow]

Wait the Smash subreddit also has a tail lover? Smite's does as well, is it the same guy?

[@juicenozzle2575]

charizard is built like a retired defensive end lmao

[@icenovice]

Also, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Electric versus Water thing. Instead of Water being weak to Electric, Water should be weak to Poison and Normal should be weak to Electric.

[@gameboyn64]

Coney's is conceptualizing electricity wrong. Electricity is the energy coming from the wall socket not the toaster. The toaster is just a medium that electricity flows through, it itself is not electricity. When the toaster "dies" it's because it's circuitry got fried by the electricity overpowering the device. The electricity is actually still flowing into the water and is lethal. A more accurate depiction of the interaction would be a live wire from a wall socket into water. Water type which are depicted as organisms in water will get fried. Water is a natural way to overcome poison. Water can be used to wash away poison or atleast diluted it. It's a case where the stronger source will win. Electricity doesn't particularly affect normal animals more than other animals. For example a growlithe (dog) isn't any more resistant to electricity than a lillipup. The effects of electricity on most animals is directly related to the mass of the animal.

[@venuswine9905]

Coney have you ever peed on an electric fence

[@notapro6430]

did he delete the vod I'm trying to find the crack story

[@splaturials9156]

LOVE how coney is mocking raid

[@LuigiFan1akaStar]

I don't know if Kirby would really count towards the weakness and resists stats as Kirby can basically just have every type of neutral special move in the game but it's so small anyway that it barely matters. Didn't know there was a lot more into Pokémon Trainer's mechanics than just the Pokémon Change move.

[@EarthLordCJ]

Holy crap, Tail Lover, that’s a blast from the past!

[@crawlinggoose]

I wouldn't say Ganon is the undisputed worst, given that a lot of Japanese tier lists say that Brawl Purin is worse.

[@shanegiorgio4713]

Purin?

[@crawlinggoose]

@@shanegiorgio4713 Jigglypuff, in Japan, she's called Purin and is utter dogshit.

[@crawlinggoose]

@@shanegiorgio4713 Purin is the Japanese name for Jigglypuff, and in Brawl Jigs is bottom three in the US tier list, and at the bottom in Japan.

[@shanegiorgio4713]

@@crawlinggoose gotcha, I had a hunch that Purin was Puff in another language but I wanted to be sure.

[@crawlinggoose]

@@shanegiorgio4713 It's just faster to type and doesn't sound dumb.

[@Str8EdgeJesse]

18:09 they would do what?!?!

[@dariokillsaman2111]

Heroin. Thats what he said bro.

[@tatestudtman-yk8go]

The water-electric discussion killed me 😂

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

12:32 you knew she was WHAT

[@mando2975]

btw charizard was just rock smash the move you should react to mew2kings brawl tier list he talks about every characters unique tech

[@benjaminjameskreger]

Water is weak to electricity because it does the opposite of resisting it.

[@FistPumpBeast1675]

Come for the Ivysaur analysis, stay for the heroin brawl stories

[@koboldkisser]

God I want to write out an entire 500 word essay on why your take that water should beat electricity is idiotic, but I feel like you'd just respond with "who care" and then everyone would say I got my ass beat

[@youtub3off1c14l]

i care :)

[@saxeladude]

1:15 raid does food delivery now!?

[@Theorpo]

Anyone know the song starting at 17:16 ? It sounds like a Pokemon track, I wanna listen to it

[@pikapals41]

I agree - I’m having trouble finding it :/ It sounds like a DS song so it’s probably one of those ones

[@AguaDeOguo]

Ermmmmm, that isn't a dogwater that is a dogleaf

[@saxeladude]

7:40 Coney villager down tilt

[@cbass2238]

A toaster is more like rock type than electric type. I won’t explain unless coney responds.

[@Caw50]

Electric beats water because water type pokemon are living creatures that often live in or near water, so they will be hurt by water conducting electricity. The Pokemon are alive, it's not like a water type pokemon is an inanimate body water that can get shocked and be fine

[@prqphet]

Conethan.

[@susiehaltmann3342]

Actually Water does conduct electricity well in fact this is the reason why when electricity hits water it kills everything in it.

[@brianv9242]

Depends on the water. Distilled water is a poor conductor since it has no minerals.

[@susiehaltmann3342]

@@brianv9242 well it’s probably just regular water

[@Username11022-p]

I dont know if its the same guy but there is someone named taillover who makes ror2 mods, usually adding a skin for a character to give them a tail